I am really enjoying this podcast. I don't always love your social media game, but I have grown to be quite fond of the journalistic integrity I've seen in this podcast. You guys are true to the way you evaluate players and teams - both in how you vote HOF (which is different to how I would do it but I understand and respect your logic) and how you look at current teams and the Yankees.
A lot of respect to Sherman on the question about Stanton. To me, this is the biggest question not just of this year, but especially for next year. This year with Jasson hurt for at least the first half, there is room for Stanton. But we clearly are prepared between Verdugo, Grisham, and Jasson to man LF and CF with Judge and Soto splitting DH if and when Stanton continues this precipitous decline and complete inability to even hit the fastball (what he has made his entire career off of - hitting fastballs hard into the seats). But for 2025, I obviously have to assume the plan is to keep Soto. After letting superstars like Harper, Seager, Machado, Freeman, etc. go by, the only acceptable passing on Soto is if he is abysmal this year. Otherwise, Hal needs to turn in his Steinbrenner card and we need to change the name of the team because they are just not the Yankees anymore. So with that in place, the long term plan has to be Jasson in LF, Jones in CF (or some FA there if Jones doesn't work out), Judge and Soto splitting RF and DH. There is not room for Stanton in that plan. Thankfully, he will only have $90m or so left on his deal and with Marlins paying $30m of that, I think that deal is incredibly moveable even to a smaller team that just wants to sell jerseys and Stanton's chase for 500 HR as long as we eat another $30m or so. But he would have to wave his no trade clause to do that. Otherwise, I truly think the only path is DFAing him if we can't do a trade. Because he just can't be in the plans beyond this season unless he somehow goes back to 140+ games of at least 2021 Stanton. If that happens, I will be thrilled to be wrong and can't wait to see him crush 40 HRs or so. But I need to see it to believe it. The current plan has to be for this to be his last year in pinstripes pending a miracle improvement. And I am really happy you recognize that Sherman and are asking the tough question!
I am not a big Wagner for the Hall guy, thing is if you put in Wagner why not John Franco? Go look at Francos stats. Ton of saves. Think he had 8 years of 30 or more saves (2 seasons with 29) and his career ERA is 2.89 which for a guy that played 21 years that is an impressive ERA.
Jon and Joel are correct on Wagner. Not a HOFer. If GMs knew the careers of Buehrle and Wagner beforehand, 30 out of 30 GMs would take Buehrle. They'd take David Cone. They'd take Andy Pettitte. They'd take Dwight Gooden. They'd take Ron Guidry. All pitchers like Wagner, all not in the HOF. All pitchers who would be elite closers, but their teams wisely kept them as starters. Wagner couldn't start. The GMs would take the starters because they know they can figure out the one-inning Wagner filled quite easily. I support relievers in the Hall, but they have to have both quantity and quality. Wagner fell short on one of those, and he did it by walking away from the game while still pitching at peak.He did it for a fine reason, but it's still not a point in his favor. His postseason wasn't good. I won't hold that against him, but he didn't give us anything extra to push him over the line. The exclusion of excellent players is what gives true meaning to the HOF. No on Wagner, but he will get in next year because of a heavy push by the analytics community.
I am really enjoying this podcast. I don't always love your social media game, but I have grown to be quite fond of the journalistic integrity I've seen in this podcast. You guys are true to the way you evaluate players and teams - both in how you vote HOF (which is different to how I would do it but I understand and respect your logic) and how you look at current teams and the Yankees.
The hall has been watered down.
I enjoy this podcast whenever it comes out on Tuesday. Always love the debates and conversations. I gave you my vote 🎉
Sheffield has a life time 290+ batting average over 500 HR and never hit close to 100 strikeouts in his 22years
But he wasnt nice to baseball writers
@@OrientalHeatthat’s right. This whole HOF is a joke.
A lot of respect to Sherman on the question about Stanton. To me, this is the biggest question not just of this year, but especially for next year. This year with Jasson hurt for at least the first half, there is room for Stanton. But we clearly are prepared between Verdugo, Grisham, and Jasson to man LF and CF with Judge and Soto splitting DH if and when Stanton continues this precipitous decline and complete inability to even hit the fastball (what he has made his entire career off of - hitting fastballs hard into the seats). But for 2025, I obviously have to assume the plan is to keep Soto. After letting superstars like Harper, Seager, Machado, Freeman, etc. go by, the only acceptable passing on Soto is if he is abysmal this year. Otherwise, Hal needs to turn in his Steinbrenner card and we need to change the name of the team because they are just not the Yankees anymore. So with that in place, the long term plan has to be Jasson in LF, Jones in CF (or some FA there if Jones doesn't work out), Judge and Soto splitting RF and DH. There is not room for Stanton in that plan. Thankfully, he will only have $90m or so left on his deal and with Marlins paying $30m of that, I think that deal is incredibly moveable even to a smaller team that just wants to sell jerseys and Stanton's chase for 500 HR as long as we eat another $30m or so. But he would have to wave his no trade clause to do that. Otherwise, I truly think the only path is DFAing him if we can't do a trade. Because he just can't be in the plans beyond this season unless he somehow goes back to 140+ games of at least 2021 Stanton. If that happens, I will be thrilled to be wrong and can't wait to see him crush 40 HRs or so. But I need to see it to believe it. The current plan has to be for this to be his last year in pinstripes pending a miracle improvement. And I am really happy you recognize that Sherman and are asking the tough question!
Heyman Sheffield didn’t take steroids cmon that’s terrible
Yeah WTF is up with Heyman?
I am not a big Wagner for the Hall guy, thing is if you put in Wagner why not John Franco? Go look at Francos stats. Ton of saves. Think he had 8 years of 30 or more saves (2 seasons with 29) and his career ERA is 2.89 which for a guy that played 21 years that is an impressive ERA.
Jon and Joel are correct on Wagner. Not a HOFer. If GMs knew the careers of Buehrle and Wagner beforehand, 30 out of 30 GMs would take Buehrle. They'd take David Cone. They'd take Andy Pettitte. They'd take Dwight Gooden. They'd take Ron Guidry. All pitchers like Wagner, all not in the HOF. All pitchers who would be elite closers, but their teams wisely kept them as starters. Wagner couldn't start. The GMs would take the starters because they know they can figure out the one-inning Wagner filled quite easily. I support relievers in the Hall, but they have to have both quantity and quality. Wagner fell short on one of those, and he did it by walking away from the game while still pitching at peak.He did it for a fine reason, but it's still not a point in his favor. His postseason wasn't good. I won't hold that against him, but he didn't give us anything extra to push him over the line. The exclusion of excellent players is what gives true meaning to the HOF. No on Wagner, but he will get in next year because of a heavy push by the analytics community.
Gents,
Simply put, Billy Wagner is NOT a HOF'er...period. But then again, neither is Todd Helton IMHO...Peace!
Nettles was better defensively then all of them
He should be in the Hall. Nettles sin was his career overlapped with Brooks Robinson.
If you voted for Ortiz you're front running phonies
sup jj show
Yankees are still a very slow and non athletic team
Stanton lost a lot of muscle mass this winter. He’s now focusing on stealing bases 😂