Gojo vs Kakashi Might Be Closer Than You Think
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Gojo versus Kakashi, battle of the blindfolded white-haired sensei. Who wins? I think its a lot closer than people make it out to be, so lets talk about it,
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This guy is a story analyst not a powerscaler, or a crossverse debater so people shouldn't try to grill him too hard
I dont think he even said anything that wrong to get mad over lol
@@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093 There is definitely things he said that are heavily arguable if I'm being generous. But people shouldn't start getting in their feelings just because some guy shared his opinion on the internet
I love thag cus in the story not always the most statistically powerfull will win, it almost always relies on the narrative of the story so imo thats wag more important.
@@igoretarded5524Like what?
Nothing he said was really all that debatable.
Yh yh of course
I randomly got hooked on this channel your way of speaking is very enjoyable
That's me too haha I got hooked to how chill yet clearly he explains
exactly me, the way he speaks for some reason is really engaging
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bro same
Since Dimensional slash can hit Gojo, then normal Kamui could also hit him, in my opinion. Since it warps space itself, it doesn't matter if there's infinite distance because that infinite distance is still contained in a space that can be warped. Kinda like drawing a line on a piece of paper, and then kamui just tears the paper. No matter the amount or length of lines on it, the paper can still be torn, which in turn severs the lines on it.
Gojo's infinite space is infinite space.
This was said in the end credit of a manga.
He brings the concept into reality.
Kamui can't warp infinite space...it warps finite space not infinite
@@jimohabdulqudus4283 Gojo's Infinity is not infinite. He can't project it outside of a predetermined radius (2-3 meters) surrounding him. It's basically a formula that divides an object or technique speed/space in said radius. Sukuna's dimensional slash only had to CUT SPACE through said distance/radius where the technique takes place, he didn't cut infinite distance. Same logic applies with Kakashi's space warping shurikens. They DISTORT SPACE that Gojo's infinity effect takes place, and they are shown to have a bigger radius than Gojo's technique. So there is a good chance of Kamui Shuriken distorting/bypassing the division effect that takes place inside infinity radius, thus working on Gojo.
@@jimohabdulqudus4283Also take into consideration that while Gojo's infinity works in a XYZ matrix, Sukuna's slash is apparently a 4th dimension technique. Able to cut through any of the XYZ axys a sorcerer stands. Same thing applies to Kamui, a technique that warps space into another DIMENSION. So long story short, it's a 4th dimension attack taking place in a bigger radius against a three dimensional defense in a smaller radius.
@@Nu_r0ga The control of infinity alone is already scales to 4D lol.
And Sukuna cut existence
@@Nu_r0ga Gojo brings the concept of infinity to reality lol.
Don't you know what control is?
He can manipulate it.
That's why even when Jogo thought he touched him, he didn't, that's how close Gojo made infinity.
And he can make it much wider.
And it's already said that it is infinite space by the mathematicians that Gege brought.
I think, on a physics level, light just passes normally through infinity without having to travel any notable extra distance. If it was traveling an infinite distance, light could never escape his infinity bubble and hed just be a big walking void. Since there is light clearly reflecting off Gojo, that either means light is completely unaffected by infinity, or that Gojo allows light to pass through it normally.
Like, if the light was actually moving much much further, there would be a delay between what we see of Gojo, and what hes actually doing. Like, the sun is about 8 light minutes away from Earth, if the sun were to suddenly vanish, it would take 8 minutes before we see it happen from the Earths surface.
Honestly, it would be very effective in combat for Gojo to slow the light leaving his infinity, even by a second. The fact that he doesnt either means he cant, or that Gege just never thought of it lol. Would make sense for it to be beyond Gojo's capabilities; the Six Eyes give him sight of atomic precision, but photons are waaayyy smaller than atoms
I think he could do it if he wanted to target everything he just wouldnt be able to let air in lol
Question: does kamui move at the speed of light cause from what I saw the technique is actually quite slow
@@tyfuego3721No. If I'm remembering correctly, Deidera had time to dodge it.
@@tyfuego3721 Yeah that's definitely unclear, but as far as I can tell, it does seem like ranged sharingan abilities do travel via the light reflected off of them. But it could also just be a packet of chakra fired from the eyes at sub-light speed, either interpretation is a valid read of the text. The real answer is that Kishimoto isnt a physicist, and just never had that level of granular specificity in mind with regards to how abilities like Kamui or Tsukoyomi actually travel through space
Well gojos infinity is like semi permeable memebrane
The way I understand kamui is that it’s like opening a portal to the other dimension at the focal point of your vision (the right eye specifically). Basically, this means that as long as he can follow you with his eyes and is looking directly at you, he can open kamui and use it on you.
He has shown both in his fight against pain and his fights in the fourth great ninja war that he can open portals that follow subsonic to super sonic targets and targets that can be as large as mountains (obviously the portals aren’t mountain sized but the attacks are proportional to their size). So it’s safe to say that he could still easily hit Gojo by creating a big enough portal at the center of gojo’s body that would forcibly pull him into kamui. Even if he manages to escape the portal he would still take on some serious damage and would be open to attacks like genjutsu and even more kamui spam.
It’s not instant, but kakashi definitely beats him mid diff.
kakashi couldn't even follow deidara's flying bird.
if gojo survives the first kamui it’s domain expansion time and over for kakashi
@@Jo-np4gbyeah before the war arc begin
@Jo-np4gb That was the first time he used Kamui. We're talking about a Kakashi that was fighting a God, tagging her who was relative to a Naruto dodging light speed attacks with ease
@@Jo-np4gb actually he specifically said that he was to high up for him to get a clear shot, and said he didn’t have enough chakra to use kamui multiple times. Because like everyone said before, that’s him at the beginning of the series. I specifically mentioned war arc kakashi.
To be fair when Kakashi used Kamui on Deidara when he like first got access to the ability. His skill with Kamui enhanced megatons against Pain and Obito
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bro sniped a tiny-ass nail that moving faster than a bullet right before it hit his head.🥶
Deidara is fast af too if you ignore the fact Sasuke embarrassed him and look at his feats
@@hayyan958 sasuke’s arrow
@@opsh5652 I'm saying he has great accuracy since he hit such a small fast moving target perfectly, He'd def be able to hit gojo.
Ehh. Just like Sukuna’s World Slash, Kamui is targeting the area and absorbing matter in that space rather than the person themselves. So pretty sure it would bypass Infinity. I lean more towards that than thinking it wouldn’t touch Gojo. I think it’s a stretch the other way around.
i highly doubt it can bypass infinity. the technique obviously travels to reach it's target and it definitely doesn't work like sukuna's world cleave, meaning it's impossible for it to bypass infinite space.
@@metalface_villainBase kamui doesn't travel. It's a hole in space/time. Basically it creates a hole in the universe where that eye is looking.
@@blissfulrain it's an eye technique and it requires to travel from the eye to where the eye is looking (evident by the fact that it has limited reach) and if it travels through space, infinity surely stops it. the only argument would be that infinity doesn't filter it and treats the technique just like it would treat sunlight but i would personally assume the six eyes and gojo's iq would enable him to make an informed decision to filter anything that is chakra based.
@@metalface_villain It doesn't travel from the eye. There's nothing to travel. It's a hole in the universe(space) that manifests where the user looks. Gojo's infinity works by breaking finite space into infinite fractions: 1/infinity, 2/infinity causing the attack to traverse over the space in such small fractions it slows down to the point it will never hit the target. Kamui is a hole in the fabric of the universe that makes up space. Wherever Kamui is there is no space to break down into infinity just a hole to another dimension. Even if Kamui were to travel like the Kamui shuriken Gojo's infinity most likely wouldn't stop it because it would be like a stick figure trying to ward off a hole poked in the paper it's drawn on.
@@blissfulrain if you were right then kamui wouldn't have a range limit, you could literally just use a telescope and open a portal light years away if just looking at something was all that was needed and the ability just manifested there, which isn't the case. this suggests that it has a range and the range has to do with the travel time the ability takes to go from the eyes to the targeted location. the thrown kamui isn't even debatable, it would 1000% not work.
In the topic of Gojo's domain expansion being a win condition, You got to remember that Kakashi has his kamui dimension that he can just dip to. The domain wont hit him if he isn't in the same realm as Gojo
Yea would be pretty easy to get outta of the barrier. But kakashi is still on the same dimension before activating kamui so the domain expansion would still trap him. Then it would also depend on how the sure hit effect interacts with Narutoverse defensive skill like susano'o. Getting hit by infinite amount of information would leave you stunned even if you're kakashi. Don't forget that Domain expansions hits really fast. If Kakashi can't react within miliseconds he would get stunned. But if he's constantly using susanoo and it could tank the sure hit effect then the Domain expansion will be rendered useless
@@yunan9610 sauske did use his susano to protect him and team kakashi from the infinite tsukiyomi, so Kakashi's susano could also defend him from domain. The win condition being if he has his susano out while fighting.
@@yunan9610 naruto verse characters are faster than jjk verse too,so Kakashi either shielding himself or using kamui when gojo stands still and uses his domain is possible
@@blazeingsonicthegod8417the susano wouldn’t change the target so he’d still get hit. Domain expansion isn’t infinite tsukiyomi
On the "target system" argument, it was hard for Kakashi to aim on Deidara because of inexperience, later he uses with way more precision on characters way more faster. He especifically kamuis a Rasengan out of Naruto hands whose was moving at full speed to hit a enemy with it (at the time Naruto was one of the fastest characters in the verse and Kakashi was able to pull out a precision Kamui a instant before the Rasengan hit the target). DMS Kakashi also Kamuis a Dimensional Portal from Kaguya before a hitkill attack through the portal could land on Naruto whose was right in front of the portal (also at this point in the end of the manga, Naruto and Kaguya are in top 5 fastest characters in the verse).
And about if kamui could hit Gojo, at least as the way it seems to work, it basically opens a hole in space where Kakashi is focusing his point of view, so due to the fact it seems to work just like how the dimensional slash killed Gojo, I convinced that yeah it would work as well.
Another thing, kakashi gets much better at kamui. He was struggling to target deidara in the beginning but in the war arc, he was using kamui on rasengans, which are pretty significantly tinier than a human body or head with pretty perfect accuracy
Kamui being unable to hit him due to having infinite distance would be a good argument unless you take into consideration that gojou's CT basically divides finite distance into infinitely small infinite fractions, as stated by gojou his technique infinity exists everywhere and his technique brings that into reality.
If you consider infinity exists everywhere then Kakashi having used kamui several times means he technically used it on an infinite distance.
Or simply that gojou's infinity is actually finite distance cut into smaller fractions, and kamui from what I understand appears on the target so the distance wouldn't be much of an issue since gojou is not creating a gap of infinite distance he's more so turning finite distance into infinitely small infinite fractions.
It may sound nonsensical but it might provide a different perspective.
And also any ability that can rip apart and manipulate space time can effect gojou. As for your argument regarding kamui shuriken not being able to hit gojou because it travels, I'm pretty sure sukuna's dismantle which turned gojou into go/jo travelled as well which means and attacks that can rip apart spacetime fabric can bypass infinity.
N plus I don't think just like how you said Kakashi may not be able to send Kamui to the sun, sukuna probably would not be able to dismantle the sun either, but his ability hit gojou.
Kakashi also being the extremely cautious fighter he is would probably use genjutsu or send a shadow clone to gojou'e limitless void, or he may be able to Kamui himself away from the domain.
There is NO infinite distance in infinity. Its a finite distance divided upto infinitum
Which would create infinite distance
@@FTL_SAN it won't, it would trap you in an infinite no. of finite distances. If it was truly Infinite distance it won't slow you down to the point of stopping but rather stop you right away (*that distinction is present because it's NOT infinite distance)
@@yuvraj..6741 you don’t understand how the ability works. It brings to reality the paradox of infinity by dividing the true distance between you and an object in half everytime you get closer and you can divide your distance in half an infinite amount of times. It’s not finite.
@@FTL_SAN ik how it works and you're spot on about how it works but just because it's similar to Infinite distance doesn't automatically make it one. That distinction will still continue to exist.
@@yuvraj..6741 yeah but what's the point of making this distinction though, practically it's still infinite space
U legit said dms kakshi but ur only using early Shippuden kakshi feats,mind u kakashi has kamui raikri which would donut gojo,and as for domain expansion what is stopping kakashi from use genjustu or just kamuing into another dimension before he cast's it
I really enjoy the content, keep it up! For my question, how was Megumi not able to summon Mahoraga during his fight with sukuna? Did he just decide not to or was there something stopping him from actually carrying the ritual out?
Probably he sees itadori had taken over
He literally saw Yuji take over
Thank you so much for the support! I answer your question in this video here: ruclips.net/video/-ff3KiVcsMY/видео.html
When I see this matchup I remember a meme fight with those two where guy appears confounds Gojo and Kakashi and end up kicking Kakashi out and helping Gojo
Ik what you are talking about. BTW, there is a part 2 to that video called yuji vs Naruto
The only thing that confuses me here is how you logiced how Kamui shuriken wouldn’t work. World cutting slash also HAS travel time. It’s certainly avoidable but the main issue is you can’t see them. Except Gojo of course hence why he probably got bisected because he thought the world cutting slash would do what you said in this video just not reach him like a normal slashes.
However just like in the video where you explain how the world cutting slash works. It’s basically as if the 2 dimensional plane itself is cut, aka bypassing conventional durability and infinity. Kamui and all Kamui based techniques are literally working on this same principle. It’s the reason Kamui lightning blade is able to harm Kaguya who tanked multiple tailed beast bomb rasengans. Both world cutting slash and Kamui are essentially cutting the plane itself. So why would these techniques NOT work on Gojo is a better question.
This isn’t even accounting for speed which is just blatantly unfair in Naruto’s direction. This is a fun matchup at first to make then you realize it is kind of unfair in many aspects.
I'd have to disagree with the infinity/sun analogy. Simply because infinity is shown to defend against traveling attacks, attacks that originate from attacker A towards Gojo. With kamui, it's less of a travel attack and more of a spawn in attack and the reason I don't think that distance would be an issue is because even though infinity puts an "infinite" physical barrier between gojo and his opponent it's never shown to actually change the distance they view him at, he's still in the same spot they just can't get close to him anymore.
The personality aspect is really important glad you touched on it. The only thing i would add is kakashi eyes would most likely put Gojo on guard because its obviously unique like his six eyes
I haven’t even started the video fully but he even said from the beginning he’s not a power scaler and that he’s just throwing in his two cents so whoever is grilling him is trippin
In the war kakashi could snipe a rasengan out of narutos hand mid fight. So hitting Gojo wouldn't be too hard, also kamui lighting blade
1. DMS Kakashi is FTL in soeed and reaction time therefore no amount of weaving and dodging can stop Kakashi from tracking you to get a Kamui off (and Sharingan buffs your visual skills on top of that)
2. You forgot to mention that he tracked Kamui'd a nail from Pain that was way faster than the Deidara feat and that he tracked and Kamui'd a rasengan from Naruto during War Arc prior to DMS when Naruto was top 5 fastest character in the verse at that point.
3. Domain Expansion would never hit Kakashi even if Cursed Energy and Chakra was equalized, domains still have a setup time which is not FTL which means Kakashi can evade. Not too mention his Susanoo which is easily bigger than any Domain Gojo has created.
4. Kamui is a 4D attack simple as that, just like dimensional slash is 4D. Having both the Sharingans makes the creation of Kamui portals much faster not that it matters because of point 1. The bigger the target the more chakra it takes which means the Sun is a very difficult object to Kamui.
If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
Naruto: would you lose?
Kakashi: Nah I'd win.
A man will die but not his ideas
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The thing is, the Kakashi that fought Deidara is much less proficient at the ability and the eye puts a lot of strain on him and draina him as well. DMS Kakashi wont have the same issue, infact he is physically faster and his eye can track at much higher speeds than Gojo should be able to move.
The reason Deidara is defend is because Kakashi cant efficiently keep his eye sight at him (theres a lot of strain) and Kamui (for that Kakashi) isn't being instant with the job. But for someone like Gojo, Kakashi shouldn't have much of an issue since he has a lot more chakra, little to no strain and he can effortlessly track Gojo.
For the whole "can he Kamui past infinity", yes he should, because he doest really "look at infinity", the target is where Kakashi looks, its instantly opening at that place. When you make the "can he Kamui the sun tho?", it's like "who knows because he doesn't do it" and one MAJOR thing that the Sun is MASSIVE. Its not like Gojo's few inches worth of neck. He also can't properly look at the sun.
But Gojo isn't the sun, hes very much properly visible and forget just his neck or head, even his whole body is not even the size of a tail of Gyuuki, whom Kakashi with a single MS transported.
Overall Kakasho just takes it, he has multiple arguments against Kamui, and even if you don't agree, Gojo also just cant hit Kakashi, he has kamui phasing, which has little to no arguments of bypassing it.
I think in much the same way as sukunas world slash, kakashi just needs to target the space in which gojo exists in order for kamui to hit, assuming kamui wouldn't bypass infinity normally. Kamui is literally just a better version of the world slash. The other factor is whether Gojo would be able to hit Kakashi (besides domain expansion ofc) because we knew kakashi can slip through all attacks in this form.
Pretty sure this is the answer. Just like Sukuna’s World Slash, Kamui is targeting the area and absorbing matter in that space rather than the person themselves. So pretty sure it would bypass Infinity. I lean more towards that than thinking it wouldn’t touch Gojo. I think it’s a stretch the other way around.
@@eazybaby5094that begs the question (which was stated in the video) can Kakashi just see the sun and use Kamui at it?
@@Niranjan04 but the sun is sooooo far away. That’s like asking if Sukuna can dimension slash the sun. Like it’s a interesting hypothetical, but that’s not what’s being asked. I don’t think Gojo is infinitely far away from getting Kamui’d, just like he wasn’t infinitely far enough away for dimension slash
@@eazybaby5094 yeah yeah ofcourse but it's still fun to theorize about it lol
So in otherwords, to beat Gojo's infinity you would need a sure-hit ability.
Kamui js a space/time ninjutsu, even the shuriken after touching the infinity will teleport the space/time in which gojo and infinity exist into kamui dimension
You forgot that kakashi, during the pain invasion, was able to kamui a tiny nail at high speed… dms kakashi could be much faster
one thing everyone is seemingly forgetting is the fact that since we're using dms kakashi, that means he also has obito's kamui passively active, and he's starting the fight in his perfect susanoo. so unless kakashi were to leave his susanoo for some reason, there's no way he'd ever get caught by infinite void unless gojo were to fly all the way up to where kakashi is. also, couldn't kakashi just kamui out of infinite void as the barrier is being formed? since it's already established that kakashi scales higher than gojo in every category, i see no reason why he shouldn't be able to react to being trapped in what he'd perceive to be some sort of sealing technique, not too dissimilar to what minato did against obito. i still think gojo may have a few win cons, but it definitely isn't close.
If a dimensional slash can bypass infinity I think a dimensional ocular Justu does the same. Also he targeted a nail and an arrow shot by a susano with his MS bro you cant forget those feats if you’re gonna use the deidara fight as evidence. Maybe you forgot those but with those feats stacked along with what you already said he low diffs
We can argue about Kamui all day, but Infinite Void is a win condition for KAKASHI, not gojo. Because as soon as he takes that blindfold off, hes gonna be caught in a genjustu. Yes RCT would break him out of it eventually, but not immediatley. All Kakashi needs is a split second without infinity to deal with and Gojo's toast, which a genjustu could do. And Genjustu absolutley can cross an infinite distance, as long as the light from their eyes have crossed that infinite distance, as seen with infinite tsukuyomi. And light can clearly cross Infinity, so if Gojo tries taking off his blindfold, which he needs to do for DE, hes toasted.
well.. doesn’t his limitless work subconsciously, and can detect around attacks? and kakashi is not tanking a purple or max chanted blue or red
@@Dumpsterfire_07true.
Genjutsu requires chakra to invade the body to mess with their senses
Infinity would be able to block out chakra since it can block out abstractions like cursed energy and there’s nothing to prove that it would be able to travel such distances
On top of that he has the six eyes so that renders him immune to most mind affecting abilities
He can phase thorugh them because of intangibility@@Dumpsterfire_07
@@Dumpsterfire_07 Genjutsu affects the whole psyche, not just the conscious. Least if its powerful enough, which any sharingan genjustu would be. And I agree that Kakashi isn't tanking a purple, but blue and red I heavily disagree on. Susanoo's are quite durable and notably resistant to being moved around. I dont know if DMS kakashi ever had to deal with shinra tensei or bansho tenin, but those would provide a good marker for destructive power since they're basically just better versions of blue and red respectively.
The Deidara feat is horribly out of date even by mid series. During the Pain arc Kakashi was able to target what was essentially a nail turned into a bullet that Pain accelerated to "shoot" Kakashi from a safe distance despite him being immobilized - and then immediately after that I seem to recall him making a missile disappear mid-flight with similar restrictions. By the time of the War arc he was targeting fast moving projectiles with it no problem after he'd gotten some practice and experience with it.
Hitting a human sized target wouldn't be a problem in the slightest with how fast and accurate Kakashi was by that point.
Similarly, Gojo would have little to no defense against genjutsu. Soon as he makes eye contact with Kakashi the use condition is met, period. The only reason genjutsu stopped being used later in the series was because all of the antagonists had some form of Sharingan or doujutsu, and Kakashi learned very early on how testing those waters went with Itachi. Gojo, conversely, doesn't have that defense - in this case the roles are reversed where Kakashi can cast the genjutsu and while the Six Eyes might see /something/ they lack the ability to flip genjutsu back around on the caster as the Sharingan can innately do.
But yeah, I agree with the personality but and it's honestly why I'd give Kakashi the win. Gojo fucks around too much in his fights. Conversely Kakashi is very, very well aware of his limitations and weaknesses. He knows he has stamina issues and in almost every case where he's been allowed to Kakashi's generally gone for the kill shot on opponents he considers a threat, and in general he takes most people he fights fairly seriously if it's not a training exercise. Odds are that Gojo fucks around to either show off or out of curiosity while Kakashi figures out he can't touch past Infinity and then immediately goes for either Kamui or genjutsu once he knows conventional taijutsu and ninjutsu won't work.
DMS is sort of pointless here seeing in that all of the techniques Kakashi would need for this would be available to him during the War arc. All DMS does is give him a few additional Kamui techniques and Susanoo, neither of which are at all useful against Gojo.
Gojo can damage his brain and heal it using rct to escape a genjutsu.
@@jspsand7085bro gojo would die bro💀 since if a genjutsu user were to effectively destroy all five senses of the victim by his command , it leads death of victim genjutsu targets 5 senses
So he is making easy for genjutsu user it doesn't matter if he heals or not if that's the case people in Naruto verse with healing jutus would escape genjutsu but that's not the case here
@jspsand7085 also genjutsu is like domain so by ur argument anyone who have rct can escape domain expansion don't u see how stupid this argument is
@@greentube1357why do you think that genjutsu are like domain? Those are illusions, domains are physical
I think Gojo would take this fight seriously. With the 6 eyes he'll be able to tell Kakashi is stronger. The genjutsu is a good point. But I guess the defense would be to activate domain expansion. That would not work against the genjutsu but it will hit Kakashi and fry his brain, stopping the genjutsu 🤔
i dont think people truly understand how overpowered dms kakashi is, like hes practically unbeatable
Bro's fodder to Mechamaru 💀
im sure you're joking but if you arent, please elaborate@@zizu-lakaka
Actually Kakashi's Kamui Shurikens have Kamui imbued in them, and the portals would still work considering Kakashi can make it big enough to where he entire swallows Gojo in the Kamui essentially. Kamui can already go through dimensions, able to go through TSO which can create and destroy by going to different dimensions which had a moon and iirc solar system.
And Kakashi... would be able to survive Infinite Void due to iirc Tsukuyomi being able to do the same thing. I might be wrong though.
Infinite Void is not the same as Tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi is a ilusion, a really good one. Infinite void is flooding your brain with so much information that you get stunned or you get your brain fried.
The Kamui shuriken logic makes sense, it's similar to how Sukuna's world slash works. But I do think UV would still work on Kakashi. Even if it's at a much less effective due to the Tsukuyomi logic, if we're assuming Gojo is bloodlusted, he's following up with a purple and that might end it there and then.
no kakashi got hospitalized from Tsukuyomi dude, and regardless, its about him getting stunned by it and then getting hollow purpled
@@Zero-tk1hbKakashi would be fast enough to enter kumai dimension or react and run before he could even open domain Kakashi speed> domain speed of we scale
Technically speaking Infinity has a targeting system too, even if automatic, right? I think light is not affected by Infinity as it is registered as an harmless entity. Then again I have seen 0 episodes of Naruto so idk how Kamui works, meaning my speculation ends here lmao
Kamui seems to work like a photo in which once everything is lined up he takes a screenshot (kamui)
The interesting part is that Kakashi has something like infinity too. If he has the eye of Obito, in theory, he could easily do the trick Obito did to not get damaged by attacks. So neither of them can hit the other with normal attacks, only difference is, kamui is activated when needed, infinity is passive. If Kakashi is not aware of the attack (unlikely with sharingan) or the attack is faster than he can activate it (again, unlikely with higher power levels at that point), ooor, and this is the important part, he is incapacitated, his block is not working. We see him taken out by tsukuyomi, and he can only recover with the help of Tsunade, the best healer of the verse. The domain of Gojo is clearly stronger than that, tsukuyomi is finite, even if it is pure pain so more damaging, still not endless info-dump. If in his current state Kakashi can take it just for a few seconds, he can kamui out, infinite void is anchored to an area of space, not inside the mind, so he can leave it, no problem. If he can't take it, and needs just a single second to get to his senses, that is enough to land a blow with the speed Gojo can achieve, and as kamui is not always active, that hit lands 100%. So if he can take the domain long enough, Gojo literally has no wincon, even purple would just go through a phased-out body. Whether Kakashi has an actual wincon is a different topic, but it was discussed already, I just wanted to point out a different perspective. I also want to add that yes, I think he can kamui the sun, but the bigger his target, the harder it is to do, and the sun is BIG. Other than that, a line of sight and the ability to bring the target into the focus-point of the eye seems to be the only condition, and light is clearly not affected by the infinite space, or we would not see Gojo. If they both have a wincon, the question is who can do it faster, like would Gojo take the fight seriously enough to open a domain early on, or play around and take a hit that is just a bit too big for him. Kakashi always takes it seriously, that is not a problem. If neither of them has one, they either agree to a draw, considering both are smart enough to not make such an enemy/exhaust all their reserves/not try to get such an ally, or it comes down to who can take it longer, and that is Gojo. Kakashi can use kamui more often than Gojo can use his domain, but uses more energy to keep up his perfect defense and to keep up with strong attacks, Gojo has such perfect control that keeping up his defense is natural and even his attacks are almost spammable. Would be a long and insane fight, but I think in the end the six eyes are just better for drawn-out fights. Or Kakashi just escapes, Gojo can't do anything about that, so again, draw. The problem is that none of these abilities are defined clearly enough to be comparable with each other, so we'll never know.
This really isn't a conversation tbh. Kakashi scales higher and has the means to bypass infinity (Kamui or genjutsu). Therefore he wins low-mid diff. However, one UV from Gojo and he would probably win.
I don’t think Genjutsu would work at all
Genjutsu needs chakra to enter the body for it to work and if Gojo can filter out cursed energy which is just an abstraction then he should be able to filter out chakra
And the six eyes would just render him immune to most mind affecting abilities
Wether or not Kamui bypasses infinity is its own separate debate though
@@TrippieMint Six eyes has never shown immunity to illusionary or mind affecting attacks. You're also assuming that Gojo can just filter chakra via limitless when he never experienced it before, which would bare minimum allow genjutsu to work a few times first.
@@obe1_kenobi When gojo fights Hanami she uses a technique that saps your willpower to fight and he breaks himself out of it
And the six eyes extra sensory abilities (atomic level perception)/sixth sense would make affecting his mind more difficult especially since he keeps his brain refreshed using rct at all times
He wouldn’t have to experience it either
Cause he identifies invisible thing or things that are not traditionally dangerous that he wasn’t expecting or never experienced
Gojo never experienced Sukunas dismantle/Cleave before (an imperceivable slashing attack which only Mahoraga was ever stated to see) yet infinity blocked it
He blocked sound from Jogos beetles when he didn’t know it was coming
He blocked gasses etc
Infinity would detect a foreign substance and just block it out like it has with these other things
@@TrippieMint That's pretty sound logic. Though the fact that Hanami's attack affected Gojo at all means it bypassed Limitless, same with the sound that came from Jogo's fire insects (he didn't block it, otherwise he wouldn't know sound was involved in the first place). The same would likely happen with genjutsu. I don't think you can attribute Gojo breaking out of the technique to the Six Eyes, at least not entirely, it's possible Hanami simply released the technique, or that the gap in strength between Gojo and Hanami was so big that it simply wasn't as effective. We've seen that being the case when Nanami attacked Dagon w/ Ratio. And the fact that his blindfold was on, meaning Gojo was actively suppressing the Six Eyes. Whether you agree with that or not, Six Eyes definitely doesn't make you immune to illusionary abilities and since Kakashi isn't a top tier genjutsu user, he'd only be using it for minor illusions to cause Gojo to make fatal errors. I do agree that it'd be less effective due to RCT, but still definitely possible.
One thing I was discussing with my friend - DMS Kakashi have the same intangibility as Obito, if that could surpass infinity? Probably, bc it's him entering another dimension, and like, dimensional slash CAN cut Gojo. Another factor is that Kakashi can materialize raikiri inside out Gojo (Kamui Raikiri jutsu). So either is him hitting a long ranged visual Kamui, or bypassing infinity with the Kamui intangibility and hitting him close or like, 0 range.
Your assuming gojo isn’t gonna fight back?
He can use blue which pulls in space around him to make up for the blank space and even if kakashi is intangible he still is a part of that space
@@Timber834 nah dude, I'm sure Gojo would fight back. I've even considered the fact that the speed match would be a problem. I'm just saying the things that Kakashi could do to reach Gojo through infinity.
@@Timber834 but I truly think that is Kakashi is hit but Gojo's domain, it would be game over for Kakashi
@@Juninhor110 yeah, I said that too in the poll, that if kamui or something he has can bypass infinity he could atleast hit him to deal damage
The problem is domain, so kakashi would have to subdue/kill him before he domains or else its instant death
Though, if kakashi can copy his ability maybe he could bypass it that way too
Btw, even the domain might not work.
First of all, it depends on how much the domain actually affects him, for that lets take an example of Kakashi (a much weaker one) against a similar attack, Itachi's Tsyukyomi. Now a lot of people would say that Kakashi couldn't even survive 3 days, but here's the thing, Itachi can decide how much time passes in the Tsyukyomi world but also how SLOW or fast it can move, for eg, there was a whole sequence of Kakashi undergoing torture, which could be anywhere from 15-60 mins and then Itachi goes on and tells that one second has passed, he also had these "clones" sort of thing where it looks like it's to of Kakashi undergoing the torment. All in all, the Tsyukyomi world is strange, despite Kakashi being in there for 72 hours, he would have felt the information of possibly Gojo opening his domain on him, and that's a Kakashi from not even 100 chapters in the series. Not that relevant, but even after enduring Tsyukyomi, Kakashi was able to stand for few min before totally getting knocked out that to standing on water which requires concious or subconscious effort.
The other thing is, even if Gojo let's say "fries his brain" and Kakashi isn't actually getting hit, just like Gojo's infinity, Kakashi has Kamui phasing, and it's always active and it's hard to counter it. So Kakasbi could jusst lay there and Gojo charging purples and none of them connecting.
Kakashi can react to domain and head to kamui dimension lmao he is flt and domain take time he's low balling Kakashi by comparing celestial bodiy with gojo lol who is object which is irrelevant gojo infinity slow downs momentum by dividing infinite spaces but for Kakashi kamui speed is not facotor so he can kamui kakashi wins negg difficulty if i am being honest here
@@greentube1357 ik. let's give him the props for trying
@@UNKNOWNL3G3ND u can look some of them don't even know how gojo infinity works looks t top comments.. It's ironically sad ik jjk bias would be here
A really big thing to remember is Kakashi has two mangekyo sharingan, which means he has two more ways of getting around limitless: Sharingan Genjutsu, which is NASTY and presents a really powerful way of potentially getting Gojo to deactivate limitless, and Izanagi, a literally reality-warping technique
you're thinking of infinity as a multiplier for distance and if that were the case i can totally see where you're coming from but Gojo's infinity divides the distance which you have to cover and keeps dividing it infinitely to the point that you never reach him. At the end of the day, lets just say gojo was 10m from kakashi, 10m is still 10m and it wouldn't be the equivalent of looking at the sun or looking through a telescope, hope that clears it up.
What people also gotta think about it chakra usage, we know for most jutsu the more chakra the bigger, so it may be that it would take a massive amount to kamui anything big away, but kakashi in the war arc against the jinchurki states he will blast the tailed beast bombs away with Kamui, and hes an intelligent guy with massive battle iq, if he says something is true im inclined to believe him meaning that kakashi could have probably used kamui on the 3 bombs, it might’ve killed him and drained him of a massive amount of chakra, but he seemed to think he could
Btw he can kamui out of the domain from below if hes faster but idont think so
he is faster, dms kakashi is ftl lol
@@aymanriki1018 im talking about 0.2 domain
@@dassa-oz5rf ftl is wayyyyyy faster than 0.2 domain
Kakashi has no trouble hitting fast things with his side of kamui for example sasuke susanoo arrows also Infinite void is a big one but not only that but kamui (specifically obiots side) is on passively as well and even if he does hit him with it and slaps him with hollow purple he has sage of six paths power which let’s you touch and interact with truth seeking orbs which is a high level of erasure so even hitting him with it wouldn’t kill him with his higher durability
I’d also like to point out he does indeed have obitos side and his side also just warps whatever is in front of him doesn’t necessarily travel as well and with his higher speed advantage it wouldn’t be too hard to pull this off I think it’s a tad unfair to do this battle tho a better one would just be war arc kakashi
Why do people forget that the second kamui eye can make you literally untouchable? Remember Tobi?
Would that defend him in an Infinite void? The attack is not physical but mental.
@@edgbarra He can teleport into his own pocket dimension to avoid the domain expansion
@@edgbarraBro said mental 🤣
@@edgbarra The Sure Hit would have nothing to target in effect Kakashi would be treated as a Heavenly Restriction but even that's a bad example its just he wouldn't be there to be hit by anything.
The way infinity is explained at least, it isnt actually infinite distance. Its a limited distance divided into infinite portions so that it effectively acts like infinite distance but isnt actually infinite distance. If it was actually infinite distance, when sukuna used the space cutting dismantle, its range shouldn't have gotten anywhere near gojo, because its not like sukuna can launch a cleave a country away or sth. Because of that, kamui should more likely than not, work.
Uhhh
Think u needs watch his explanation on how his dimensional slash works
you really didn't read the comment. Reality is paper. Dimensional slash cuts the paper itself. But the paper still has distance and the slash doesn't cut the entirety of the paper otherwise after one use, reality wouldn't exist anymore. It cuts an extremely tiny bit of the paper relatively speaking. And if infinity was actually infinite distance, then the dimensional slash wouldn't be able to cover enough distance on the paper to reach gojo. Let me know if anything is unclear/wrong or you further explanation on sth@@satoru2169
manganimist made a vid explaining how the dimension slash works, I'd go watch that.
reality = paper. dimension slash cuts paper. The slash can't cut the entire paper. So if infinity was actually infinite distance, the part of the paper gojo exits on wouldn't be able to be completely cut to the point it cuts him too. Infinity is not infinite distance, it's limited distance divided infinitely. Read up on "the tortoise and achilles". that's what its based on. I dont know how much clearly i have to be@@obe1_kenobi
The thing is i think Kakashi has more than 1 win condition that just kamui, like what about genjutsu or even, since you gave him DMS, the right eye's ability of phasing through everything and teleporting anywhere? Gojo wouldn't be able to hit him since he'd just phase everything and could probably teleport INSIDE his infinity to get him. Although i do think you were right that DE is a win con for Gojo and would one hit KO Kakashi.
im pretty sure gojo decides what is and isnt effected by his infinity. he chooses for things like light and air to pass through. i believe at first kakashi would be able to see and use his attacks on gojo but the moment gojo realises his attacks are vision based, he gould just block out all light entirely. also if it really was that light was effected by infinity, you simply wouldnt be able to see gojo at all since it would take the light reflected off of gojo an infinite amount of time to reach the eyes of anyone wanting to percieve him. this suggests that in most scenarios light and thefeore peoples ability to percieve him isnt being affected by infinity. as such kakashi would be able to see and target him normally.
also kakashi probably could use kamui on the sun. but remember that kamui can only effect a certain area of space. he probably could target the sun but remember than the sub being so much bigger than the earth even would mean that the damage he'd do to the sun would be so negligible. if kakashi cant kamui the entire earth then he aint doing shit to the sun even if it was right next to him. i dont think the actual distance is the thing that matters here.
I'm pretty sure hidden inventory gave us the rules on infinite for it to be automatic. That being it detects the curse energy, velocity, and mass to determine its threat level. Kamui could likely bypass.
head cannon
Kamui displaces anything it touches. That being said it can bypass infinity if it was instantaneous but it isn't, so Gojo can definitely dodge it. I think kamui becomes a problem if Gojo is caught off guard but then again the six eyes perceive basically everything all times so Kakashi would have to sneak him. Otherwise Gojo takes the win, he has too many hacks going for him. And I don't think he would need hollow purple because he could just use blue and keep a distance in the entire fight so he can keep dodging the kamui. Another thing is that gojo can heal so how long does it take Kakashi to figure out to go for the brain before Gojo kills him because he has no defence against Gojo's attacks and if the first kamui doesn't end it I doubt much more can land effectively, key word being "effectively" before the six eyes are acclimated. Plus if it drags out Kakashi will run out of Chakra. One domain expansion and it's gg
Gojo doesnt literally create an infinate distant but the closer something gets the slower it moves so it would take an infinite amount of time to reach him or in other words never reach him so i think kamui would work if gojo stood still long enough
Well, I think genjutsu would also work. If there in any condition that Gojo removes his blindfold, Kakashi could use genjutsu to subdue gojo for a victory.
Gojo has instantaneous movement, Time dilation, autonomous defense system, space manipulation, martial art mastery, insane healing, clairvoyance, super strength/speed, and able to move on the y axis. I do not think anyone in the Naruto verse is able to even remotely come close to dealing with him at all. However if it's Gojo from pre awakening that could be pretty close actually. With the abundance of poison tools, Jutsu's, and strategy employed I feel like he could get overwhelmed if he had to go against Akatsuki or Kage level threats.
Edit: I see a lot of people saying EMS Kakashi's Kamui would bypass infinity and kill Gojo but I dont think so. While yes Kamui is tied to another dimension it has to interact with the current one in order to effect it in which Gojo would just shrug it off. You couldn't spawn in a shuriken or snipe his head because the moment you tried it would just appear outside of his Infinity. The Kamui is a bi-dimensional attack, it doesn't ignore dimensions.
Kakashi scales way faster than Gojo so instantaneous movement isn't suddenly gonna let Gojo blitz him. If light can travel and reach Gojo, Kamui would do the same since it's based on what Kakashi can see, If he looks at Gojo, the Kamui portal will appear on Gojo.
@@obe1_kenobiexcept gojo can choose not to let in attacks in through infinity. He can target what he let's in and what he doesn't. So it doenst !matter if light can get through.
kakashi could barely even pin down Deidara with kamui. At most he can pin down people who are coming in a straight line at him, but he isn't hitting kamui on someone who is going to be coming on a straight line. Gojo has instantaneous teleportation. If you think kakashi could pin gojo, you probably think he could pin obito and minato in normal cirucmstances
@@Jo-np4gb Gojo clearly couldn't choose to not let spatial slash through, Kamui is for all intents and purposes the same thing. And considering Kakashi's reaction and fighting speed should be faster than light, and the fact that he could also use genjutsu to mess with Gojo's perception, he absolutely can and would land a fatal Kamui.
@@obe1_kenobikakashi fighting speed is not faster than light. A lightning strike does not travel at the speed of light for starters. Secondly, the only light speed attack we saw in main series naruto was madara's mouth laser in his fight against naruto. And even naruto only barely managed to block it. Kakashi could never. And gojo isn't going to stand still and move in a straight line for kakashi to kamui him.
@@Jo-np4gb Kakashi is able to coordinate attacks with the same Naruto that dodged (not blocked) Madara's laser without getting in his way. He was also able to tag Kaguya who was also going relative with Naruto. So yea Kakashi is FTL. And I never said anything about Gojo standing still or moving in a straight line so idk why u brought that up.
I think hollow purple will not work on kakashi because he can enter kamui dimension like obito hollow purple will just pass through him
To get honest, you give a better analysis than even those who tell themselves they have a PhD in naruto series and just open a channel
Kamui can hit Gojo but the problem you much stay at least a minute or some good second for kamui to hit, the only character Kakashi hit with kamui were Deidara and the gedo mazo, to conclude this Kakashi will loose because he won't have this time to hide or keep distance to do this against Gojo, after that Gojo will just use unlimited void and also Gojo can keep his technique alive in space, example if Gojo use blue during Kakashi is intangible, Gojo will just leave blue in the space and kill him because there is a count down for intangibility (After all Kamui is the best one shot attack in naruto after the swordof Itachi and Naruto rasenshuriken, and Obito's power is the best ability in naruto).
I think dms Kakashi would easily win, simply cause susanoo is just broken as both defense and offensive skill. The thing with Gojo's "teleportation" Is that he doesn't actually teleport, he basically uses the power of attraction between him and the target location, so he still travels physically within the space, so if Gojo were to be caught by susanoo he couldn't just teleport away. And Susanoo could most likely tank Hollow purple so on a battle of attrition kakashi would win. A non susanoo kakashi however, Gojo definitely has a chance cause Kakashi can still be hit with decently powerful strikes. I think Gojo's blue powered punch should be pretty powerful even for Naruto's standard. Not as powerful as Tsunade's and Sakura's physical hits but maybe can be as strong as Naruto's sage mode frog kumite
Yeah. For gojo, he can just use the domain expansion and can easily win in this fight. If kakashi struggle in itachi's tsukuyomi, then gojo's 0.2 domain is enough to win this fight. But since its kakashi the copy ninja who knows over a thousand jutsus with perfection, I'd say he will do something that gojo can't do anything about.(It's like when gara used his jutsu on madara to get him out of the susanoo).
I like how most of the jjk reader thinks they are gege himself lol, even the gege said kakashi lowdiff gojo😂
The problem is domain expansioning Kakashi like u said here. A domain is bringing your innate domain (basically your mind space) creating a space and imbuing it with your technique. If this is DMS Kakashi like used in this video (meaning he has Obito's other eye). Kakashi can just teleport in the Kamui dimension (wait there if he wants lol) and just teleport out. And Gojo wouldn't be able to physically hit Kakashi either, as said this is DMS Kakashi, he can just phase through attacks. I'd say Kakashi wins this mid diff. If you know both these characters toolskits to the brim. Gojo doesn't have a win condition. And I think Kamui does get pass infinity. The issue I would say Kakashi would have is landing a perfect blow on Gojo with Kamui, as the mf can fly, teleport, and he's fast as shit. Kakashi wins though imho
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The thing is, if we take miguel's statement 100% true then limitless works on an atomic level, supposing gojo did not further master it than what was thought possible. So kamui could hit him despite infinity. But gojo would not just stand still ans let kamui hit him, he can teleport, and he has crazy regeneration as well. Though I would like to point out that if kakashi has 0 cursed energy then UV might not work
I think kamui is like dimensional slash it attacks the space itself so anything inside it gets affected by it but i dont think how kakashi is escapping domain expansion since it effect is deadly , we all saw how heavily sukuna was damaged by just 0.01 second delay and ofcourse kakshi wins the hand to hand combat bec of his sharingan butvan important thing that is overlooked is that gojo has rct so he can heal body parts unlike kakashi so i think gojo has an upper hand but it's still a close fight , out of 10 fights i think gojo wins 6
In the war kakashi was able to use kamui with such efficiency that he was able to send a whole ass shadow clone so fast that an ms plus rinnigan user the strongest eye powers in the world couldn't perceive it so yeah gojo can't escape that and even if you think kamui wouldn't land on gojo because of infinity he will simply distort the space around him like how sukuna did
Honestly it's not a question. Not only is Kakashi stronger and faster, but he's also smarter with several techniques that are proven to bypass Infinity. If we're being honest and not low-balling Kakashi he takes Gojo down faster than Sukuna did.
I think it’s a matter of who does what first. Kamui is just like the inter dimensional slash. And it would kill Gojo. Also there’s Genjutsu. Which would eventually allow kakashi finish gojo. But if it get to a domain or if gojo lets off a blue kakashi is dead.
People are talking Kamui, but can't Kakashi just use genjutsu and insta-win? Seems like genjutsu would instantly destroy any character in JJK.
Nah gojo can wound his brain and then heal whit his curse energy to get out of a genjutsu, if we assume that six eyes isn't on the level of a sharingan.
Genjutsu requires chakra to invade the body and mess with the senses
That won’t happen because of infinity
And with the six eyes you would need god tier mind hax to mess with him
You forgot Kakashi also has a power of Kamui which lets phase through dimension at will so none of Gojo's attack also work and if Kakashi gets the timing right he can just run into another dimension before he gets hit by Unlimited Void
first of all i don't think when talking about kakashi we should be talking about the two mangekyo sharingan version, that was just a temporary boost and not his own power. it's like putting sukuna in a vs and using the version with mahoraga. secondly i don't think kakashi can reach gojo if he tries to target him cuz the ability definitely needs to travel to reach the target. if people can dodge it with speed then infinite space will counter it.
Am i tweaking or did sukuna stick out his fucking hands to block hollow purple? Even if his arms got erased why didn't it hit his whole body? Hollow purple not doing shit to a susanoo and then theres kakashi using intangiblity himself this one sided
Sukuna blocked hollow a 288% hollow purple and only lost two reinforced arms but that’s because his reinforcement was high
You would kind of need proof that susanoo could tank a matter erasing attack with planetary ap
@@TrippieMintWHERE DID YOU GET PLANETARY AP? 💀
@@danfoxdude Calcs that get it to around those ranges such as:
docs.google.com/document/d/1OWiYts9P1Hh6sbLWmhoP0m1tcok7lwj9Qb3VVIx8nkk/edit?usp=sharing
and implications with Yukis black hole
lol @@TrippieMint
When people look at him they're not seeing him across an infinite distance. His infinity doesn't affect the light that enters it because it isn't dangerous. When you look at him through his infinity you're just seeing him as you would if his barrier was down. If you shot a laser hot enough to hurt him, it wouldn't arrive. This is assuming he's relying on the automatic calculations of mass and velocity that decide what makes it through his infinity. Since Kamui just appears, then there is no way it's getting affected by infinity.
To my understanding kamui works by looking at the target and warping that space into the kamui dimension. Based on that the way I see it is that aslong as u can see your target and fathom there actual size and where u would have to hit kamui then yes it goes through infinity. What I think matters here is how large the target actually is. Kakashi does not nearly have enough chakra to even imagine how big he would have to make kamui to warp the sun for example.
I imagine that Kamui might function similarly to Sukuna's dimensional slash? But I could be wrong
Remember that Gojo also has the 6 eyes. He could probably know something about the Komui, maybe not exactly what it does but surely that it's very dangerous. Gojo will take the fight seriously from the start if he can see how strong Kakashi is
Infinite void might not fully affect sharingan users, sharingan isn’t your regular eyes… we saw madara move and react super fast because of it
yeaaa no infinite void has sure-hit
it's arguably one of the most lethal weapons because it's the ultimate info dump and with conjunction of the limitless gojo could could stay within the domain until the one trying to beat him get brain failure through information overload HOWEVER if he gets touched the infodump stops
I think gojo's passive infinity is conditional, in that it doesnt effect light, probably a binding vow, or gege physics. This would mean that kamui can be activated at gojo's location even if you think it has a range limit imo.
If Sukuna's space cleave can hit Gojo through infinity then I don't see why Kamui couldn't do the same. Kamui targets actual space and not a specific target so it's already a space cleave at base...
this is ridiculous cos we literally saw sukuna delete Gojo's space with his world slash but apparently it's a question if kakashi can end gojo with kamui, can we be serious here lol
I see everybody saying Kamui “takes time to hit” which ain’t really true. But Kamui lightning blade would catch Gojo quickly.
Gotta remember DMS kakashi Kamui is doubled with both eyes, that might not being much on it's on but Obito used it to teleport something away from Madara who scales to light speed. not only that, Kamui isn't Kakashi's only option against gojo he also has Genjutsu. Gojo still sees thus has the possibility of looking into kakashi's eyes n falling into genjutsu. Which you can escape by disrupting your own chakra network, but we don't even know if gojo can even do this and if he can will he figure out to do this in time to stop kakashi from getting the KO.
Couldn't Gojo just keep his blindfold on and just be completely immune to Genjutsu lol
@adamlenko From what we've seen, Kakashi has only used the vision version so that doesn't really do much. And Gojo could just run RCT through his body for a bit and reset the genjutsu, just like how he did with his technique, destroy that part from the inside and heal it, no more genjutsu as it was overwritten
@@regeneration6921gojo can see through blindfold my guy he would fall under genjutsu or did u forgot him falling under illusion did by Hanami.. And not to mention genjutsu>Hanami illusion
@greentube1357 Hanami Illusion is based on smell not on sight bruh wtf are you spitting, Gojo can only see through the blindfold because he sees like infra-red vision, Kakashi still isn't making eye contact
@@regeneration6921 lmao u prove my point genjutusu work based 5 senses, and yes even if he sees him using blid fold he would fall using Hanami example
One thing I think needs more talking points. Can Kakashi even target through an infinite space and actually perceive where Gojo is to hit him? I don't think Kakashis eyes are that powerful but I could be wrong there. Oh shit he actually thought of this too? This is why I'm subbed lol we are clearly like minded.
U r wrong on 2 things:
1) thats not how infinity works, it doesnt create infinite distance but divides space infinitely , Big difference and it only divides space infinitely for those objects with mass and energy it deems as threat. No excuses for power scaling needed, a 1 min google search should have answered that which u didnt before making a 10 min video on it .
2) infinite void doesnt drop infinite information immediately, it drops 7 months of info in 0.2 secs and we know MS users can process 100 years of info in a milli second because itachi simulated 100 years for izumi in 0.1 seconds ( this one is niche so i dont blame him for not knowing that).
3) Kakashi kamui faster then minato in war arc which puts his attack atleast ftl on low ball, no amount of wanking can make gojo dodge that besides it is like a blackhole similar to obito where only teleportation is the answer and the diedara one was because it was his first time using it hence incomplete, he himself state that in the ep, after a few eps, he was able to kamui n explosion itself while a back ago, he was struggling to do so with a moving target. its very clear the speed becomes faster to an ftl level which again should have been obvious with a 1 min google search.
Well u r not a power scaler so it doesnt matter since i dont believe i will be recommended this channel again by youtube, just got pissed by the low effort content.
Anyway, u r a cool guy i am not here to hate. Peace/
It is true Kamui can’t be blocked but that doesn’t mean you can’t avoid it and if you avoid it fast enough you won’t be harmed and that takes a lot of chakra so if kakashi has to keep trying I’ll end up passing out for example in the Naruto x Boruto storm connections kamui is so strong cuz you can’t block it you have to avoid so I’m going Gojo for the win
didnt kakashi kamui a truth seeking orb which are like stupid fast. Also dms kakashi spams kamui so he wont pass out from it, gojo probably gets one shot
@@jtdolano4785 yea when I wrote that I forgot about dms kakashi he can spam kamui but I still don’t think he can’t touch Gojo you have to remember kakashi is still using chakra which will eventually run out and Gojo keeps limitless on all the time just listen to what manganimst said in the video from 6:30 to 8:35 from that explains why I believe Gojo would win just my opinion
@@drewboggie1kumai can work on gojo since kumai dotn have travel speed so how it would slow down lol gg
@@greentube1357 listen to what he says in the video from 6:30 to 8:35 that’s all the information you need to know why I believe in what I said but it’s all hypothetical at the end of the day believe in what sounds good to you and gg to you guy ✌🏼
@@drewboggie1so u are dependent on him he is not a power scaler he did blunder up there he is comparing celestial body with gojo who is an object .. gojos infinity creates an infinite space between him and his opponent though it's more accurate to say it divides space infinitely. This causes attacks to slow down and lose momentum cuz the distance they're traveling is continously increasing. And it's automatic BUT Kamui DON'T NEED TO TRAVEL (Think IT as a black HOLE WHO APPEAR SUDDENLY AND OBSORB GOJO ) so it would directly hit him..
The Kamui shuriken is better due to it having a large area of effect. The shuriken deleted multiple of giant form kaguya’s limbs immediately so that can probably delete decent chunk of area while the base kamui is a single target.
Edit: there isn’t an infinity amount space around Gojo but instead an approaching thing is slowing it to an infinite amount creating infinite space
I think that given how we know that light, sound, even smoke, and especially spatial distortions can pass through infinity, I'm not really holding my breath that it stops kamui.
And if we're giving Gojo the ability to hit Kakashi with his domain expansion there's two ways that I would say are "fair" to go abt it:
1- it wouldn't work because we can't just assume that Kakashi has cursed energy *just* for the sake of giving Gojo an edge
2- We say that cursed energy is analogous enough to the mental energy portion of chakra that Gojo's domain would be able to target Kakashi and inversely, the sharingan should work on Gojo.
Under the 2nd assumption, the odds slide further into Kakashi's favor in my opinion. As this means that unless we assume otherwise, genjutsu should work on Gojo and you could even make the argument that Kakashi might be able to actually copy Gojo's techniques. So in my mind- without and cross verse speculation, Kakashi is the only one with an arguable wincon. Under similar rules but we only give Gojo his sure hit effect, then it's probably closer to 7/3 of 10 in Kakashi's favor. Under the speculated crossover rules which give both players the most canon leeway, then Kakashi sweeps 9/10 times
I think that statement from gege is talking about the characters coolness not power.
Gojo's clear win condition isn't one. His fastest activation, .2 seconds, pales in comparison to Kakashi's lightning-timing feats. Kakashi has plenty of time to dip out to the Kamui dimension, avoiding IV completely.
DMS kakashi wins. He has access to both kamui's, and if he phases, he no longer exists within the world we live in, instead he lives in the kamui world rendering infinite void useless. Kakashi is much older than gojo with much more combat experience with people as strong if not stronger than he is, so kakashi would be able to plan out a way to beat gojo. Not to mention Red and blue can be countered with kamui as well. Kakashi also wins if he brings gojo into the Kamui realm and leaves gojo there to die.
so how come Danzo could use Izanagi but not Kakashi?
What's stopping kakashi from regenerating his lost eye with the 2nd eye, from the 1st use of Izanagi and basically "Reality bending" his death until needed?
We forget Lakisha has ocular prowess, what will Gojo do about Infinite Tsukuyomi?
4:41 bro already confused kakashi for gojo 😭. Also like u said much weaker kakashi, this kakashi can spam kamui and was able to be intangible at will. He can definitely kamui someone very easily, during the war he stated with just some kurama chakra and in base he could've kamui'd off the gedo mazo's head.
He isn't a powerscaler. He's a story analyst. Chill tf out.
@@I-reply-to-Idiots no he's just bringing things up but then instantly contradicts them so how is this even an analysis
I don't know... Kakashi could target the space around Gojo like Sukuna did.
Kakashi can also use genjutsu and beat Gojo.
But if Gojo fires his domain expansion, Kakashi has no shot.
Although... Knowing Kakashi, Gojo would probably trap a clone in his domain.
Genjutsu would need chakra to go into his body
It would just get blocked out by infinity
Similar argument that Kakashi has 0 CE so domain sure hit wouldn't even work @@TrippieMint
@@SK-pc8nievery human posses ce but chakra is something to unlock from the user to flow and it s nowhere stated genjutsu require chakra more like it targets 5 senses remeber itachi putting normal lady to distract jirayah so gejutus would work on gojo and Kakashi could escape domain by kamui cuz he would see sudden increase in cg and his reaction scales faster than domain
Kamui can hit. If light can hit Gojo making him visible then Kamui hits because it is activated by sight.
Also the Uchiha are descended from gods so their sharingan ability is actually pretty wild. Lets not forget Madara cast an illusion by using the freaking moon.
Amazing video man. I love the way you perceive and execute your videos. Also at 2:31 i have the same wallpaper for my phone lol😂.
Kakashi always uses clones to see the enemies techniques. He also has the sharingan. He can just put him in genjutsu. Also gojo can’t hit kakashi with anything because it would just phase right through him.
Wormholes (kamui) can consume black holes (infinity) so Kakashi/Objto are natural enemies to Gojo
I am surprised he didn't talk about the second eye even if u need to touch gojo to use that kamui couldn't he kamui to the end of the infinite space of kamui away the space
I absolutely disagree with the last 2 mins of the video.
Gojo is like this when he exists: (The surroundings) - (Infinite distance) - (Gojo).
SO whatever is travelling to hit gojo would travel through surroundings and then would travel through infinite distance. hence, they fail to reach gojo.
Kakashi's kamui won't travel through surroundings or the infinite distance as it's literally ignoring the pathway to gojo and just spawning on gojo directly. The sun example is inapplicable as the sun is actually "far". but gojo is just there and theres just a thing that's acting like a shield of "farness" as infinity for him. So kakashi can actually see and focus on gojo easily as compared to a thing that really is light years far in reality and cannot be focused on properly.
As for domain. Kakashi can make himself intangible just like obito in split seconds, so the domain won't be able to target kakashi at all. or He can just keep his head intangible and keep fighting with his arms as the sure hit targets the brain not the body.
kakashi can just bombard gojo with his again "massively strong acc to scaling" clones and can comfortably keep on kamuing him. Maybe he can make his clones do kamui too.
Though Kamui would bypass infinity since it distorts space, its not instant. We see characters dodge it and we see Minato straight up teleport out of it. Since Gojo has teleportation I can imagine he would just do the same and any body parts caught inside( if they are affected) can just be RCT unless Kakashi aims for the head. Thats Kakashi only win con tbh and if he misses it too much his eyes will strain rendering the ability negligible.
Just think of how itachi finished kakashi with his mangekyo sharingan. Gojos domain would fry kakashis brain before he could try anything else if gojo thought he was in any serious danger, I give it a 9 gojo 1 kakashi if gojo was underestimating him
Honestly kakashi cant hit gojo with anything besides kamui, and gojo doesnt have the raw stats to hurt kakashi with all of his offensive techniques, but his domain expansion would fry kakashis brain, its basically super tsukuyomi, so its pretty much, whoever uses and lands their win con attack first wins, i dont think gojo could avoid kamui, and kakashi doesnt have an answer for domain expansion, so literally first person who tries their win technique wins
I think kamui can bypass the infinity, it is dojutsu not anything that travels to physically hit gojo, infinity can't make infinite distance to make the enemy not see gojo, kamui prowess is sense and that is sight, it's not anything that touch anything