Correct. It starts with a 'Pastor' being paid. Jesus or the apostles were never paid for what they did. A pastor (lower case p) is a function, not a title given to a paid preacher. Salaried 'Pastors' are unbiblical because it gives rise to pride and egotism, there's not one example of a salaried 'Pastor', evangelist, preacher, teacher or apostle in the entire New Testament. The apostles, as the most prominent Bible teachers all had regular jobs (fishermen, tent makers etc). God bless.
Salaried pastors are certainly not unbiblical. Personally, I want all of my pastor’s needs to be met so that he can fully devote himself to equipping the saints for the work of the ministry. A few examples to consider: 1 Tim 5:17-18 …“The laborer deserves his wages.” 1 Cor 9:14 “In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.” Paul even says in 2 Corinthians 11:7-9 that he “robbed other churches by accepting support from them in order to serve you.” These guys were all taken care of, sometimes monetarily and sometimes by other means. Obviously, a pastor seeking to be wealthy is unbiblical, but paying a pastor a fair wage is not.
@@PastorEhis It is indeed so. Show me one example in the entire New Testament where preachers are either exhorted or commanded to be paid a salary-You won't find it. The intended structure of New Testament leadership is a plurality of unpaid elders, not one salaried leader.
John MacArthur in a Q & A asked the question “ how much authority does a pastor have over his congregants. He said “ None”. One is submit under the authority of scripture.
@@mikayln Those pastors do this believing they're helping, improving the ' standing' or '' spiritual ' strength of " their ' church or flock. Essentially subtle coercion, demanding ' obedience to god' * notice the small letter g . These pastors are well aware of the Influence they weild . When one the studies Christ , as a TRUE BELIEVER, there no misunderstanding of HiM. This walk with Jesus , in Jesus, an absolute love for Jesus , for there is no other who brings to THE TABLE of HIS covenant as HE can and does. First commandment...read, study, daily, hourly. Walk & breathe in prayer always. This is scriptural what I share here. For the time is now that we are living in the hours prior to the Rapture. We are that close. Look at the world around you ! Watch Jerusalem, watch the nation of Israel ! We are that much closer than yesterday ( x 1 day) if we are here to witness, to share the gospel. Be encouraged, be that Berean as spoken by Paul. GOD is Love , in control , omniscient, omnipotent ,omnipresent ! Maranatha!
@@jonmason9360 Yes! God was kept emphasizing the first commandment when I was talking to God about this church, which ironically emphasized revival, but God was saying the emphasis was not on Him or from Him. People oftentimes don't realize idolatry within the church.
@@iokua6366 this person cannot find a church that has biblical doctrine. They have the right to their view. . I cannot find a church That does not teach scofield futurism and tithing. And pastor worship. And is not a 501c3 corporation with the pastor as a CEO. Which are unbiblical. Just research scofield . And read “should the church teach tithing” by Russell Earl Kelly. These teachings corrupt the church.
@@elwingw4321 Another lie and excuse for you to not be in fellowship. How quickly we make up excuses, the fact of the matter is that God gave us the church and is head of the church even the broken ones, He did not promise the church to be perfect. Did you so quickly forget how he address the churches in the book of revelation. Would you attend the church of Ephesus if you knew it had left its first love? Would you attend the church of Smyrna if you knew you would be thrown in prison? Would you attend the church of Thyatira who tolerated the spirit of Jezebel? The problem is not biblical doctrine as what you make it out to be, the problem is we interpret going to church as if it is something optional. Instead of changing our week to fit in church we'll only go to church if it fits our schedule and liking. If biblical doctrine was the only problem then you'd be joyful to go to a church who had no worship, no childrens ministry and no fellowship groups. Quit with this shopping spirit of which church will fill my need what a foolish and blind generation this is
@@iokua6366 - Brother, you certainly have some points there about going to church but your demeanour here is certainly atrocious. Beware of the "Pride of Man" that is alway in us as fallen creatures of God. Do not entertain the thought that "I am better or more righteous than my brothers/sisters in the church of God". Always love your neighbour as yourself. Hope you will see the light..brother
That John Bevere clip is about 30yrs old. I agree TOTALLY with your point that pastors only have authority only what is in the Word. But I think John Bevere has changed alot of his Outlook in the past 30yrs so you may want to check and see if he still thinks that way because in 30 plus yrs alot of these preachers have changed their stance due to time, experience & maturity....be blessed.
Please find the video clips or recent books that show he is teaching this differently, but this is the teaching that gave him very high profile and a lot of money by going around teaching it, as you see in the video he is very young and it’s what soared him to prominence
I know a few places, rehab centers and churches that are getting their followers to watch the series and read his books from this time. These messages are still being used
Uh, has he not always claimed to be led by the Holy Spirit? Has he come out and told those who bought his garbage to just ignore that now he's matured? Offered money back for all the books that he no longer believes? No, and he's not going to he's a charlatan him and his wife, and now the son has learned the trade as well. You, sir, are delusional. You say he was too young and immature. Well, he got rich . I've read many comments from people who have had him as guest at their church. He likes to brag about his money . He no doubt changes all the time to whatever is popular and making cash.
@Brooklyngirllovescrochet, I had to look it up cause it had been a while, but apparently, you don't know much about your hero. I listened to him saying that God himself came to him in 1991 to author his first book. He didn't want to. So God sent 2 different women to tell him if he didn't write the book that God would give it to someone else. So your "30 years ago" is meaningless since, according to bever himself, it came directly from God. Now, of course, all that is a lie he told to sell books, he's a false teacher a charlatan, and a snake oil salesman. Run from him and his teachings.
Amen! Same here and it cost me every relationship I had within that church. On the plus side, a few heath problems I’d been suffering went away almost instantly when I left.
AMEN , AMEN , THE HOLY SPIRIT IS YOUR RUDDER , YOUR GUIDE IN JESUS THE CHRIST TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER , THE TRINITY AS A WHOLE , YOUR SOUL IS UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE WORD OF GOD , NOT BY A PASTORAL DEBATE , OR COMINTARY OF PERSONAL OPINIONS , BE BLESSED ,. AMEN ,
Bevere and his wife, who is also considered a teacher, are both part of the NAR crowd and closely associated with Bethel -- reason enough to cast a wary eye on everything he teaches.
I never did like his teaching on how in Heaven, there are different levels people go to depending on how closely you followed God's plan for your life. The lower levels of Heaven meant you made it but didn't quite get to experience everything the higher levels got to
@@monkemonkerson5620 I’m no far of Bethel or NAR but the Bible does specifically talk about getting rewards in Heaven for things we do on earth and it does seem to teach that not everyone will be rewarded equally so that could end up being levels or different areas of heaven could it not? What are your thoughts on that?
There was a false teaching around 20 yrs ago called submitted body or the Shephardship error. They taught the same thing that you are under his covering if you obey him..Only true covering is Jesus Blood not any man or women.. Even if they claim to be a Prophet or Apostle
Thank you for this video. Getting flashbacks of a word of faith / prosperity gospel church I went to where the pastor told everybody that the buck stops with him and that he was the “head queso”. He got a lot of his authoritative ideas from John Bevere and gave copies of Under Cover for us to read and understand the authority of the pastor. He went on to say that if you didn’t agree with him, then you would need to leave. Glad I left after being there for about 10 years
@@bigbruno56 overseer is a bishop. He is the pastor, not todays pastors. Real bishops were historically ordained by the apostles and those who were ordained by them, with laying hands over them. The rest is invalid ordation.
@@bigbruno56 that's not true. Hebrews was written to the Jewish followers of Jesus which there were millions of , at the time there was very few gentile believers. Just as all the other epistles were written to the gentile believers in those regions.
I've been under a leader that was into heavy shepherding and spoke of being under a covering. He was controlling and I ended up leaving. I'm all for respect and honoring those that are overseers but not acting like they are equal to Jesus like many of these leaders do.
This teaching is so needed. After becoming a new Christian many years ago, I started attending a non-denominational church and then a few others after that first one. I found heavy shepherding or just unbiblical and unhealthy "honoring" of the pastor and his wife at several of these churches. I was confused as a new believer at some of the things I experienced and my relationship with God suffered for several years afterwards. As I've been drawing back to God again, I am very careful now about getting involved in another church. I've found a good church that teaches the word of God but they are in another state so I watch them online. I feel like I'm not being completely obedient because I'm not physically going to church, but I spent years visiting different local churches and there was always something going on in them that I found to not be biblical so I just couldn't submit myself.
Act 2:42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. This is the real church -- the key is 24/7 heart devotion to God's activity through us in the Body of Christ, so 24/7 devotion to the teaching, fellowship (any getting together in Jesus' name), communion and prayer together -- and that devotion which stems from a deep sense of Jesus' sacrifice for us, God's soooo amazing grace and love! ❤️ Heb 10:24-5 ... and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
The way that I've been treated by pastors in my life I won't submit to any of them. I will only obey if what they are saying agrees with the Word of God. Thanks for the teaching. It really made things clearer for me.
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This was so good to listen to. I was under a Pastor who said that if people weren't going to be loyal to him then they shouldn't be in the Church. Thank you for making it all so very clear.
charismatics believe this, and they end up worshiping their preacher. There's no such thing as a preacher anyway, Ephesians 4:11, shepherds, Tree Of Life Version, It's Found One Time, and they're not the main event in a protestant church.
I had a pastor who said to me to sit all the way in the back just because my newborn baby was crying and the visiting evangelist said so. Because according to him my baby was being a disturbance. Then that same day the visiting and his wife were speaking in tongues to each other like cling on. Then the actual pastor was asking for more money from the congregation just to have a particular Netflix channel for their church to have more people to fund them. I left their as fast as I could. We were trying to help them by trying to put a new window each month because they were very old and falling apart and she said no. Asked if the only 4 youths could start their own classes or even their own RUclips video and start a youth prayer group and she said no. I was the only one with a baby and I asked to put a newborn changing table in the bathroom and she said no as well. I felt like I couldn’t grow at all only if we would give more money unnecessarily.
Great at last someone who understands the Word of God, thank you brother for speaking Gods truth, I’ve seen so many souls damaged by wrong teachings. Stay blessed.
Thank You so much for this excellent , excellent teaching. All backed up by the Word of God. The Spirit of God led me to the channel today. What a blessing and even more so as you have given us access to your notes. Glory to God. 🙏
Thank you Caleb! Been under this teaching growing up… I am so glad we as a church are reading and learning the Bible in its truth Stripping all filters and believing what we read instead of reading what we believe.. Great job …
Brilliant and timely teaching, Caleb. I'm having a meeting with one of the Pastoral Leaders in the Church next week - already had these passages noted, but I'll certainly add more notes thanks to this video.. Definitely Holy Spirit led. All Glory goes to our Lord
@@iThinkBiblically good morning from the UK my brother. What is your email? I am preaching on spiritual abuse at the moment and this video is a blessing from God. Would it be possible to glean from your notes on heavy Sheparding?
I'm so glad you are exposing John Bevere. I cannot tell you how much gaslighting I have experienced from charismatics because of this man. They think anyone who confronts a pastor on centerfolds teaching is like Absalom trying to overthrow David.
When John Bevere wrote the book, Killing Kryptonite, he publicly stated that it was THE MOST IMPORTANT book you would ever read... never mentioning the Bible. Joh Bevere always preaches that Malachi 3:10 is applicable to the Church today. His prophesies have been way off as well. He is also heavily involved in the NAR. The first place he preached his boo, Killing Kryptonite, was at Bethel Church, Redding, California.
Very good. I'm old enough to remember the 'Shepherding Movement' of the 1970's with Bob Mumford and Derek Prince. The teaching went through the charismatic churches here in New England. It was a very short-lived movement; did not go over very well. Sounds like John Bevere is trying to resurrect that teaching. We need to be grounded in the Word of God, so we are not deceived by these wolves.
Derek Prince, in an interview at the end of his life, said the reason the heavy shepherding model does not work is because of pride. He was very sorry for having been a part of it.
And it was so good that those particular teachers repented of that extreme discipleship teaching. But not sure about Ern Baxter who used to emphase 'authority or anarchy'. l wrongly went along with it for a while!
@@carrotstick1970 Derek Prince was a true man of God that made a mistake. He openly denounced the shepherding teaching which shows he was a humble man willing to admit his wrong. Most teachers at that level would never do such a thing. May he rest in peace.
I know one "pastor👉👉fraud" in Africa, (Uganda) he calls himself "prophet" Samuel kakande, he forbids his congregation from praying in other churches, giving there tithes and offerings, if they do, they'll be doomed, so he's kept his congregation in such fear. When they don't give him their tithes, all they have possessed as a result of his prayers will fade away. He has mobile money lines for those in distant areas like abroad, failure to send yo tithe, yo doomed. The moment you leave his Church for another, yo doomed, it's why many of his congregation live in peril/ fear to leave his Church lest they are cursed, his favorite scripture he uses to intimidate them is "MALACHI 3:10-12."
I TOTALLY AGREE. So many are being lead a stray.... So many traditionalest preachers... Passing down the same wrong teachings sense the first century.... Sad. Read and learn the word for yourself! Let God Himself be your teacher through the Holy Spirit. Amen
Please put up on your u tube channel, no. 1 your full name, what Church you belong to. How long have you been a Preacher, if you are one. Where do you live or where do you send out your videos. Lets find out a bit about your background so as one gets to know who they are listening to. Australia.
Awesome stuff Caleb, thanks so much, God bless you for this teaching!❤😄The word of God is so easy to understand and obey, because we've the Spirit of God living inside us who guides us into all truth, so whenever we aren't sure about something we know the Holy Spirit gives us wisdom, understanding, guidance, power etc etc to obey God's word, God will always reveal the truth of what we've to do whenever we aren't sure. wow God is so awesome!
40 years ago, the Holy Spirit prompted me to be baptized by immersion. Like many born in the 1950's, I was baptized by sprinkling as an infant in a mainline denomination church. I have no recollection of that baptism, and was told when I asked my pastor to baptise me as an adult to "accept your infant baptism as sufficient, by faith. I will NOT be part of your faithless act if you choose to be re-baptised". This was the response from several pastors I knew (I had a traveling music ministry at the time). Still the Holy Spirit prompted me to be baptised by immersion and finally I turned to a friend who was also a believer to do the deed, in a public lake, in the middle of January (winter in the US). I truly believe the decision to obey God and ignore the howls of hirelings to disobey Him, was a turning point for my growth in the faith and Holy Spirit. It puts me mindful of Peter's word to the religious leaders when they demanded that he resist God's command: "judge for yourself whether it is better to obey you or God" ... the process of growing in the faith and Spirit is perpetual and requires that we always answer Him "yes Lord, I will" when He asks for our obedience and cooperation with Him.
This actually happened to me when I posted something on my Facebook page, someone saw it and became angry and the elders told me I had to take it down. I didn't even know they were spying on me, I wasn't friends with any of them, but they felt they had authority over my Facebook page.
@@bjones5791 I have no problem with Christians calling me out when something is not Biblical, the problem is they call us out on things that are not Biblical.
@@gwendolynwehage6336 Of course.I NEED accountability,but it’s in the context of relationship.I don’t need stalkers online coming at me sideways.That is so cowardly…..Now we need strong christian relationships in our communities more than ever!Have the best day ever!…Brent
Back in the late 70s early 80s I attended Derek prince’s church in Ft. Lauderdale . They believed in Shepherding at first but the lord rebuked him and the ministers. They all Repented, the church grew and prospered. Loved Derek and Ruth, Jim Croft ,Jeff buck, Mehesh Chavda.
I have heardbHeb 13:17brepeated by elders that i have learned a lot from and respect and i have heard it said from them that congregants shouldn't pick and choose what church to go to or else they are in a situatuon of being "just you and your friends with a bible under a tree". The idea seems to be that Heb 13:17 is a commandment, that must be followed. It seems to me that there is a lack of sober analysis and careful consideration of this passage. Even in protestantism, there appears to be a more gentle but still present hegemony of a ruling class that is like the roman catholic system but wearing a different habit. "You must come to us and submit in order to love Jesus properly" I appreciate your explication of this topic.
I would think that you could have a church with your friends under a tree, in your home, car, whatever, but under one condition, that your gathering includes all the elements of the church, the foremost being the apostles' teaching as described in Acts 2:42. My understanding is that if there is an individual in the group who is gifted by God with a teaching gift or another gift like prophecy or apostle, and IF that said individual is in a continuing disciple relationship with Jesus and evidenced by humility and the desire to serve the church, THEN that individual should be accepted by the gathering for, in effect, conveying the original apostles' teaching based on the Gospels and including the rest of the New Testament as well as the Old Testament. Acts 2:42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. When there is 24/7 heart devotion like this to these four elements (all these four elements being activities with worshiping included in each of them) for the Body of Christ, and that including the gifting of an individual to convey the apostles' teaching, then church can be held anywhere. One can be led by the Holy Spirit in this. God's grace and peace to you all! ❤️
To follow up, and this is not directed at any particular individual, but there is the saying, "KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!" Meaning : Jesus' commands are simple. Jesus' teaching is simple. The Lord's Prayer is simple. Moreover, Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit to bring to remembrance all that Jesus taught and to teach us. It is all simple, we have no excuses. Jesus taught us to be like little children -- I would think that means having awe and being open receptors. As so we believe, God help our unbelief! All scripture is inspired, each word is important. So, for example, in understanding the above quoted Acts 2:42, the words "they devoted themselves" has to be important -- it actually looks like the key verb in this verse. Devotion of heart is 24/7 devotion, and of course out of a love reponse to God's truly amazing grace and love. Today people, especially young people, are hungry and left searching in large part because those who think themselves to be followers of Jesus lack this 24/7 devotion of the heart, and they lack simplicity. Let us deal with Jesus constantly, like the twelve disciples whom He called, let us meditate daily, even continually, Jesus' teaching in prayer before Him. Then let us obey with joyful hearts!
I do not believe that I have to run every decision,or whatever in my life. Through any Pastor,or anyone else. But at the same time. I don't believe in rebellion against authority.
I wouldn’t trust this guy as far as I could Chuck him! Wow good one Caleb, you seem to have a knack of finding these false teachers. I would always take into consideration anything that my pastor says. Humans, it has been proven at the end of the day cannot handle that sort of power over people. It is asking for problems.
One of the clearest expositions I've ever heard, very well discerned, I found this so helpful, it is so obvious that the thought put in to this came out if a deep love and yearning to help others understand a very easily comfounded and common problem ,which I would say is actually quite complicated and hard to divide correctly...well done and God bless you richly
Excellent breakdown of what a pastor is all about. You are so thorough in the subject matters of the Bible, because you really do your research. Thank you, Brother!!!
Just want to say that although I broadly agree with your take on this point, the wider conversation within that book and video series of John beveres (under cover) is actually very good, and zoning in on this clip alone magnifies the sense that he’s completely deranged and I don’t think he is. 🙏
Glory to Almighty God in Christ Jesus' name through the Power of His Holy Spirit Amen. May Almighty God continue to Bless you and your precious family and ministry in Christ Jesus' name, Amen
God bless you ! First time viewer.....I just subscribed to your very Biblically accurate channel! Great job in your informative and thorough Biblical explanation of all you covered in this video!!
Thank you. I listened to John Bevere before but I did not like what he was saying, I remember thinking he sounded really in favor of authoritative control, some things he said weren't quite sitting well with me. Anyway I avoided listening to him. Good to know he is a false teacher.
Thank God for this teaching. Today's church needs more of such eye-opening teachings. We live in an era where church members have been reduced to mere puppets of their pastors. Some christians cannot even decide for themselves when to make love to their wives except their pastors approve of it.
The one in Tim. is a bit complicated. The essence of it is if you are doing something wrong, especially as a leader, you will be responsible. And you will take that responsibility. The problem with this passage is the two or three witnesses part. If a pastor rapes a co-worker in the office, and nobody saw it, he still did something very very bad and should be immediately kicked from the pulpit and in prison. The two or three witnesses needs to be seen as a "you need to prove it". Today we have scientifically based tests, today we have recording devices, today we have cameras. Tons of "witnesses", but so many times this one has been abused to say things didn't happen because nobody saw it...
This is the first I've heard of Bevere. A Google search turns up a LOT of positive statements about him and his teaching, one must search for a while to find out what he's really about. Ultimately, he supports Bethel Church and teaches the Prosperity gospel (which is no Gospel at all).
Did not MacArthur and GCC excommunicated and shamed Eileen Gray for refusing to take back her child-abusing husband, David Gray, in 2002? Even after David was convicted in 2005 of child molestation and abuse, the church continued to support David and spurn Eileen.
EVERY Christian needs to be reading the Bible for themselves. EVERY Christian needs to be studying the Bible for themselves. Do not just rely on what your pastor or Sunday school teacher teaches you. EVERYTHING you are taught needs to line up with the Word of God.
Thank you for this video! I trusted some pastors and I got burned. I was young and naive and it wasn't till I started to seek the Lord and read His Word the truth that they are just men.
Caleb, I do not disagree with you or have any issue with your handling of this. But, I do have an observation and question for you. I have generally found John Bevere to be sound in his teachings. I am not aware of him being into shepherding. I find the example he gave of wearing the loud clothing to be a bit absurd but could give him some leeway to allow him to illustrate his point. Please note Bevere's appearance in the video. It is obviously an old one as John was much younger then. What Bevere said was a snapshot in time. His views were extremely generalized in the video and thise views may have changed since then. Does Bevere maintain this teaching and point of view to this day?
Agreed. I can't throw the baby out with the bath water. Bevere's book The Bait of Satan is sound, and very helpful. Unfortunately, all he knew as a young preacher was the false pyramidal, pastor-led system.
At 3:05 in this video, I remember a time when being in the choir and the leader instructed us to wear certain clothing for a one time event. But most of us had no budget for one time clothes at that time. Once the leader found out about some choir members dilemma, our leader did the right thing and changed his directive. So at 3:05 in this video - that pastor is WRONG. Also, *1 Peter 5:1-3* *_...not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock._* Thanks Caleb. God Bless
In God's Church there is order. The church you see today is not the Church God established in the beginning of time. In fact, the church today operates in blatant disorder and disobedience of God's Word. Many people will confuse correction in the church with authoritarianism due to their lack of understanding of God's Divine Order.
You want to use John Bevere to promote yourself and you are placing things out of context. In 1 peter 5: 1-3 ¨Lording ¨is refering to controling peoples lives ,depriving them from their freedom and i believe chosing a choir dress code does not fall into that category. Is chosing a choir/worship team dress code a rule a pastor canot make? What you are saying is a direct contradiction of the word of God. Because it looks like you are saying that people can decide not to obey their pastors in simple requests because they canot make any rules and be part of the congregation having a rebelious atitude. What you are saying is dangerous and you are doing it just to disagree with a famous writer/pastor. I believe Paul in 1 Cor 14 :40 speaks about doing things with decency and order during church gatherings therefore there are rules sometimes . Is the church a place without leaders or overseers ? Is rebelion a sin ? Does Hebrews 13:17 says for us to obey/submit only when the Pastor is persuading us with the Bible to obey the bible or Does it say to obey the Pastor? The text is simple really. There is no need for extra biblical teachings from your Pastor? If Ephesians 4 :11 and 12 says that Christ gave some Pastors and teachers for the equiping of the saints . Are saying that we dont need them? Respect the Pastors Jesus raises up. You should stop being somebody that causes division.
It is not a false teaching. You cant live in authority until you live under authority. If a pastor is teaching straight from the Word of God and the Word says exactly what John Bevere is saying. If we disobey the authority of God and those that He places in authority, we live in rebellion, which the Bible says is the same sin as witchcraft
Amen. Been there and experienced that at a church I previously was a member of. I was so relieved when God gave me the green light to run as fast as I could out of there.
Male self righteous so and so. Obey your Paster, even if he is corrupt. Think for yourself and stop putting Pastors on a Pedestal. Glad you brought Simon Bar Jonah into this video, as Paul is quoted Too much and he was anti woman, whereas Peter, is humble and has a great integrity. Love Simon Bar Jonah, Peter, Rock. Yeshua picked him through YHWH Gods telling. Remember Yeshua asked Peter, who do you say I am? Peter said you are the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus said, it is not man that told you this but my Father in Heaven. Now referring to the Jewish Leaders, refer to them the Rabbis, to explain their beliefs or history.
This teaching of Johns kept me in bondage for many years. Hearing this is very good but I still have lingering feelings that my pastors need to tell me what to do. I never realized at the time how this benefited them in an ungodly way. They were above being one of the body and so could have unchecked power. This teaching caused years of grief for me and many other people. I hope John repents.
I've been in churches who taught by Bevere's books. Never again. Very abusive and cult-like. Ted Haggard was Bevere's senior pastor. Read Haggard's shady history.
Excellent…so glad I found your channel…will share on a FB post!!! Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. When does the Holy Spirit come in one’s life??? Eph 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. When a person receives Salvation through Repentance!!! ❤❤❤
ABSOLUTELY! I work for one. Still an employee by God's grace but "left the club" and as a result we have no relationship because He is KEENLY AWARE I no longer BOW at his altar...much to his disdain.
Hi Caleb, we have only just come across your ministry on Utube and think it is very valuable to all believers who are striving to live by God's word. Many who are caught up under the influences of false teaching/preaching need to hear your messages. Love the way you use scripture correctly and present it clearly and easy to understand. Having recently come out of the charismatic environment and into a strong bible based church family, we truly understand the need for the undeniable truth of God's Word to be revealed through ministries such as yours. If we don't know what the Word of God says, we will fall for anything! Many blessings from Rob and Sandra 😊
John Bevere, he’s so arrogant, unbelievable where this guy is getting his teachings from! Total narcissism here! Thanks for your videos Caleb, God blessings to you also wanted to add I’m learning a lot watching your videos and others like you! I compare it to scripture always which is vital!!
Thank you so much for teaching on this.. one the churches I went to kast year the "Apostle" told us that the Lord tells us to do something and the Pastor tells not to, we have to obey the Pastor because God does not go against His principles.. we were new to the church, we fidnt stay there long.
I've been dealing with this for 5 years now. I left a spiritually abusive church, but my wife and kids would not listen. She has since divorced me over it. When I asked my son what my sin is, he cited Hebrews 13:17. I showed him that obey was not used the same way as in 1 Pet 3 for wives and Eph 6 for kids. Those are military uses of obey, but Hebrews uses a persuasion of the argument. He scoffed and would not listen to me. He said he'd listen to his pastor over me. This crap is real.
I'm sorry this is happening. You are right it's very real. I was involved with a ministry that had one of those domineering types and it took me over a year to get out even though I was picking up on something evil in the spirit there. Control and manipulation are actually witchcraft and many are operating in this without even realizing it. This fellowship had one man in it that will never leave even though the pastor is constantly rude and belittling him and they turned on me when I said I was done. People, we need to listen to Holy Spirit's leading and watch the fruit of these teachers.
Also, I had a little so called pastor who tried to Lord over me. He told me I couldn't go out and street preach for 3 months. He said I couldn't even go out around the city and pray because according to him "God would not hear those weak prayers". He also got mad because I was preaching against these leaders who slap flattering titles in front of their name to exercise lordship over the laity. Yeah, safe to say I rebuked the little troll and fast forward 4 years later he is teaching the clot shot is the mark of the beast.
“Rebuked the little troll”… I love how you put that. These people need to be laughed out of the pulpit when they come with the shepherding stuff. Trust and believe that without the keyboard playing in the background, and without the crowd hyping that people like Bevere and others have done for them before they take the stage, their spells would be much, much more difficult to weave.
The job of a pastor is to teach sound doctrine,to feed the flock. The pastor is to care for the spiritual needs of the congregation where GOD has placed him. It is not the in the authority of the pastor to control every decision, every area of the lives of the people. This is part of the teaching of a hierarchy in the church, which is horribly wrong. I tell my church regularly that a pastor preacher or whatever title u may use,that the pastor is one called from among never to he above the others. My duty as a pastor is to teach the WORD OF GOD and be there to counsel and teach where it is needed.
i would have walked out of his church right then. i would have listened to and considered that when i was younger but not now. i wonder if Mr. Bevere has considered that people can just switch churches if they so choose...
Blind obedience to a man is how cults get started. And it's also why they end.
Correct. It starts with a 'Pastor' being paid. Jesus or the apostles were never paid for what they did. A pastor (lower case p) is a function, not a title given to a paid preacher. Salaried 'Pastors' are unbiblical because it gives rise to pride and egotism, there's not one example of a salaried 'Pastor', evangelist, preacher, teacher or apostle in the entire New Testament. The apostles, as the most prominent Bible teachers all had regular jobs (fishermen, tent makers etc). God bless.
Salaried pastors are certainly not unbiblical. Personally, I want all of my pastor’s needs to be met so that he can fully devote himself to equipping the saints for the work of the ministry. A few examples to consider: 1 Tim 5:17-18 …“The laborer deserves his wages.” 1 Cor 9:14 “In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.” Paul even says in 2 Corinthians 11:7-9 that he “robbed other churches by accepting support from them in order to serve you.” These guys were all taken care of, sometimes monetarily and sometimes by other means. Obviously, a pastor seeking to be wealthy is unbiblical, but paying a pastor a fair wage is not.
@@enterthebruce91😅 sorry, not so.
Please spend more time on the word, your answers are all there
@@PastorEhis It is indeed so. Show me one example in the entire New Testament where preachers are either exhorted or commanded to be paid a salary-You won't find it. The intended structure of New Testament leadership is a plurality of unpaid elders, not one salaried leader.
John MacArthur in a Q & A asked the question “ how much authority does a pastor have over his congregants. He said “ None”. One is submit under the authority of scripture.
“Obedience to the pastor” is exactly what cult leaders teach
I learned the hard way not to get under bondage to heavy shepherding when I was younger.
Shepherding can lead to a cult following.
I’m sorry that happened to you. I understand and learned the same way as you did. Your experience can be used to help those around you.
It is a cult following.
God bless
Why those churches has their congregation to read their books and those written by the pastor himself.
@@mikayln Those pastors do this believing they're helping, improving the ' standing' or '' spiritual ' strength of " their ' church or flock. Essentially subtle coercion, demanding
' obedience to god' * notice the small letter g . These pastors are well aware of the
Influence they weild . When one the studies Christ , as a TRUE BELIEVER, there no misunderstanding of HiM.
This walk with Jesus , in Jesus, an absolute love for Jesus , for there is no other who brings to THE TABLE of HIS covenant as HE can and does. First commandment...read, study, daily, hourly. Walk & breathe in prayer always. This is scriptural what I share here. For the time is now that we are living in the hours prior to the Rapture. We are that close. Look at the world around you ! Watch Jerusalem, watch the nation of Israel ! We are that much closer than yesterday ( x 1 day) if we are here to witness, to share the gospel.
Be encouraged, be that Berean as spoken by Paul. GOD is Love , in control , omniscient, omnipotent ,omnipresent !
Maranatha!
@@jonmason9360 Yes! God was kept emphasizing the first commandment when I was talking to God about this church, which ironically emphasized revival, but God was saying the emphasis was not on Him or from Him. People oftentimes don't realize idolatry within the church.
If my pastor asked me to wear blue socks and purple pants I am going to another church.
And there I will wear black socks; it always is the safest bet! 🤣🤣🤣
I am so sick of all the crap that is happening in churches we just have home church now. Nowhere to go where we live.
Thats a lie. The truth is theres really nowhere you want to go where you live.
@@iokua6366 this person cannot find a church that has biblical doctrine. They have the right to their view. . I cannot find a church That does not teach scofield futurism and tithing. And pastor worship. And is not a 501c3 corporation with the pastor as a CEO. Which are unbiblical. Just research scofield . And read “should the church teach tithing” by Russell Earl Kelly. These teachings corrupt the church.
@@elwingw4321 Another lie and excuse for you to not be in fellowship. How quickly we make up excuses, the fact of the matter is that God gave us the church and is head of the church even the broken ones, He did not promise the church to be perfect. Did you so quickly forget how he address the churches in the book of revelation. Would you attend the church of Ephesus if you knew it had left its first love? Would you attend the church of Smyrna if you knew you would be thrown in prison? Would you attend the church of Thyatira who tolerated the spirit of Jezebel? The problem is not biblical doctrine as what you make it out to be, the problem is we interpret going to church as if it is something optional. Instead of changing our week to fit in church we'll only go to church if it fits our schedule and liking. If biblical doctrine was the only problem then you'd be joyful to go to a church who had no worship, no childrens ministry and no fellowship groups. Quit with this shopping spirit of which church will fill my need what a foolish and blind generation this is
Me either. Home church is the best way to go nowadays
@@iokua6366 - Brother, you certainly have some points there about going to church but your demeanour here is certainly atrocious. Beware of the "Pride of Man" that is alway in us as fallen creatures of God. Do not entertain the thought that "I am better or more righteous than my brothers/sisters in the church of God". Always love your neighbour as yourself. Hope you will see the light..brother
That John Bevere clip is about 30yrs old. I agree TOTALLY with your point that pastors only have authority only what is in the Word. But I think John Bevere has changed alot of his Outlook in the past 30yrs so you may want to check and see if he still thinks that way because in 30 plus yrs alot of these preachers have changed their stance due to time, experience & maturity....be blessed.
Have you read his book Under Cover? It's much more recent than the clip in this video and totally in line with his past reasoning.
Please find the video clips or recent books that show he is teaching this differently, but this is the teaching that gave him very high profile and a lot of money by going around teaching it, as you see in the video he is very young and it’s what soared him to prominence
I know a few places, rehab centers and churches that are getting their followers to watch the series and read his books from this time.
These messages are still being used
Uh, has he not always claimed to be led by the Holy Spirit? Has he come out and told those who bought his garbage to just ignore that now he's matured? Offered money back for all the books that he no longer believes? No, and he's not going to he's a charlatan him and his wife, and now the son has learned the trade as well. You, sir, are delusional. You say he was too young and immature. Well, he got rich . I've read many comments from people who have had him as guest at their church. He likes to brag about his money . He no doubt changes all the time to whatever is popular and making cash.
@Brooklyngirllovescrochet, I had to look it up cause it had been a while, but apparently, you don't know much about your hero. I listened to him saying that God himself came to him in 1991 to author his first book. He didn't want to. So God sent 2 different women to tell him if he didn't write the book that God would give it to someone else. So your "30 years ago" is meaningless since, according to bever himself, it came directly from God. Now, of course, all that is a lie he told to sell books, he's a false teacher a charlatan, and a snake oil salesman. Run from him and his teachings.
I've been in this kind of shepherding, I left. Now I'm grateful to GOD that my loyalty is in him and him alone.
Amen! Same here and it cost me every relationship I had within that church. On the plus side, a few heath problems I’d been suffering went away almost instantly when I left.
AMEN , AMEN , THE HOLY SPIRIT IS YOUR
RUDDER , YOUR GUIDE IN JESUS THE CHRIST
TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER , THE TRINITY
AS A WHOLE , YOUR SOUL IS UNDER THE AUTHORITY
OF THE WORD OF GOD , NOT BY A PASTORAL DEBATE ,
OR COMINTARY OF PERSONAL OPINIONS ,
BE BLESSED ,. AMEN ,
If TDJakes ask you to go to a Diddy party would you?
I used to be engulfed in a cult in my early 20s. Praise God for deliverance
YES! Praise Jesus!
Abusers always overstep their bounds.
Bevere and his wife, who is also considered a teacher, are both part of the NAR crowd and closely associated with Bethel -- reason enough to cast a wary eye on everything he teaches.
Amen
I never did like his teaching on how in Heaven, there are different levels people go to depending on how closely you followed God's plan for your life. The lower levels of Heaven meant you made it but didn't quite get to experience everything the higher levels got to
@@monkemonkerson5620 I’m no far of Bethel or NAR but the Bible does specifically talk about getting rewards in Heaven for things we do on earth and it does seem to teach that not everyone will be rewarded equally so that could end up being levels or different areas of heaven could it not? What are your thoughts on that?
How can his wife be a teacher, when in 1 Tim 2 forbids it? She could teach women but not the body.. These are directions from the Apostle Paul.
There was a false teaching around 20 yrs ago called submitted body or the Shephardship error. They taught the same thing that you are under his covering if you obey him..Only true covering is Jesus Blood not any man or women.. Even if they claim to be a Prophet or Apostle
Thank you for this video. Getting flashbacks of a word of faith / prosperity gospel church I went to where the pastor told everybody that the buck stops with him and that he was the “head queso”. He got a lot of his authoritative ideas from John Bevere and gave copies of Under Cover for us to read and understand the authority of the pastor.
He went on to say that if you didn’t agree with him, then you would need to leave. Glad I left after being there for about 10 years
Same in CT. Thank God for giving me solid doctrine!
@@bigbruno56 overseer is a bishop. He is the pastor, not todays pastors. Real bishops were historically ordained by the apostles and those who were ordained by them, with laying hands over them. The rest is invalid ordation.
@@bigbruno56 that's not true. Hebrews was written to the Jewish followers of Jesus which there were millions of , at the time there was very few gentile believers. Just as all the other epistles were written to the gentile believers in those regions.
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@@youarecreatedforapurpose No
I've been under a leader that was into heavy shepherding and spoke of being under a covering. He was controlling and I ended up leaving. I'm all for respect and honoring those that are overseers but not acting like they are equal to Jesus like many of these leaders do.
This teaching is so needed. After becoming a new Christian many years ago, I started attending a non-denominational church and then a few others after that first one. I found heavy shepherding or just unbiblical and unhealthy "honoring" of the pastor and his wife at several of these churches. I was confused as a new believer at some of the things I experienced and my relationship with God suffered for several years afterwards. As I've been drawing back to God again, I am very careful now about getting involved in another church. I've found a good church that teaches the word of God but they are in another state so I watch them online. I feel like I'm not being completely obedient because I'm not physically going to church, but I spent years visiting different local churches and there was always something going on in them that I found to not be biblical so I just couldn't submit myself.
Brother you are the church Bible study and the holy spirit will help you
Act 2:42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.
This is the real church -- the key is 24/7 heart devotion to God's activity through us in the Body of Christ, so 24/7 devotion to the teaching, fellowship (any getting together in Jesus' name), communion and prayer together -- and that devotion which stems from a deep sense of Jesus' sacrifice for us, God's soooo amazing grace and love! ❤️
Heb 10:24-5 ... and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some,
but encouraging one another,
and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
too many ministers out there like Diotrephes who like to be the leader
Brother your answer you have it in the same word of God but you need to comgregate....t it's a Mandate
doctrinally speaking
you actually need that!
Good luck finding a perfect church.. maybe fast and pray and ask the Lord to reveal to you..
If people read their Bible, we can catch false teaching in their lies. Wow, this is sad. Great Teaching Caleb 😊
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The way that I've been treated by pastors in my life I won't submit to any of them. I will only obey if what they are saying agrees with the Word of God. Thanks for the teaching. It really made things clearer for me.
Hi Sandy, I hope you are doing well.. I invite you to Islam, please study Islam with open heart and save your soul from hell fire 🔥🔥 this life is temporary but hereafter is forever.
Our pastor told us we had to get the vaccine and obey him, and when we refused, he referred to us as goats… so that was nice
I invite you to Islam, please study Islam with open heart and save your soul from hell fire 🔥🔥 this life is temporary but hereafter is forever.
Oh wow! That’s not good! 😂
🙊
How dare he demand you get the vaccine against your will!
In the church of Jesus, there's only one Boss, and he's none of us, created ones.
What do you mean?
@@jamescarter5041 Pastors are servants, not bosses.
This was so good to listen to. I was under a Pastor who said that if people weren't going to be loyal to him then they shouldn't be in the Church. Thank you for making it all so very clear.
That's how the Jim Joneses of the world get made. Good on you for walking away.
charismatics believe this, and they end up worshiping their preacher. There's no such thing as a preacher anyway, Ephesians 4:11, shepherds, Tree Of Life Version, It's Found One Time, and they're not the main event in a protestant church.
I had a pastor who said to me to sit all the way in the back just because my newborn baby was crying and the visiting evangelist said so. Because according to him my baby was being a disturbance. Then that same day the visiting and his wife were speaking in tongues to each other like cling on. Then the actual pastor was asking for more money from the congregation just to have a particular Netflix channel for their church to have more people to fund them. I left their as fast as I could. We were trying to help them by trying to put a new window each month because they were very old and falling apart and she said no. Asked if the only 4 youths could start their own classes or even their own RUclips video and start a youth prayer group and she said no. I was the only one with a baby and I asked to put a newborn changing table in the bathroom and she said no as well. I felt like I couldn’t grow at all only if we would give more money unnecessarily.
God said, "This is My beloved Son listen to Him." Who is that? JESUS.
Amen!
He who listens to the Church listens to Christ.
Great at last someone who understands the Word of God, thank you brother for speaking Gods truth, I’ve seen so many souls damaged by wrong teachings. Stay blessed.
Thank You so much for this excellent , excellent teaching.
All backed up by the Word of God.
The Spirit of God led me to the channel today.
What a blessing and even more so as you have given us access to your notes.
Glory to God. 🙏
Excellent. Thank you.
Thank you Caleb!
Been under this teaching growing up…
I am so glad we as a church are reading and learning the Bible in its truth
Stripping all filters and believing what we read instead of reading what we believe..
Great job …
Pastors who do this heavy shepherding, is doing exactly what the Christian Cults do like the Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses!
Tracey Burroughs from South Africa 🇿🇦 watching this video
Great word, and teaching. May God continue to bless your ministry, Caleb.
heavy shepherding is disastrous, i completely agree
Brilliant and timely teaching, Caleb.
I'm having a meeting with one of the Pastoral Leaders in the Church next week - already had these passages noted, but I'll certainly add more notes thanks to this video..
Definitely Holy Spirit led.
All Glory goes to our Lord
It’s always good to be armed with the Word if God and slice the lies to pieces!
@@iThinkBiblically good morning from the UK my brother. What is your email? I am preaching on spiritual abuse at the moment and this video is a blessing from God. Would it be possible to glean from your notes on heavy Sheparding?
@@martynjukes482 it's on the website, I hope the preaching goes well brother - I'm in the 🇬🇧 also.
@@Ministry_of_Reconciliation thank you my brother
I'm so glad you are exposing John Bevere. I cannot tell you how much gaslighting I have experienced from charismatics because of this man. They think anyone who confronts a pastor on centerfolds teaching is like Absalom trying to overthrow David.
Excellent exegesis of the Hebrews 13 passage. Really helpful. Thank you.
At this point I avoid all churches and its just me and God and His word. By myself.
@Cara96 that very word also says come out among them.
When John Bevere wrote the book, Killing Kryptonite, he publicly stated that it was THE MOST IMPORTANT book you would ever read... never mentioning the Bible. Joh Bevere always preaches that Malachi 3:10 is applicable to the Church today. His prophesies have been way off as well. He is also heavily involved in the NAR. The first place he preached his boo, Killing Kryptonite, was at Bethel Church, Redding, California.
What is NAR? Please write out acronyms.
@@toomanyhobbies2011 New Apostolic Reformation
@@toomanyhobbies2011 new apostolic reformation
I saw him at a church. He preached the importance of his then current book.
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Very good. I'm old enough to remember the 'Shepherding Movement' of the 1970's with Bob Mumford and Derek Prince. The teaching went through the charismatic churches here in New England. It was a very short-lived movement; did not go over very well. Sounds like John Bevere is trying to resurrect that teaching. We need to be grounded in the Word of God, so we are not deceived by these wolves.
A relevant commentary.
Amen!!
Derek Prince, in an interview at the end of his life, said the reason the heavy shepherding model does not work is because of pride. He was very sorry for having been a part of it.
And it was so good that those particular teachers repented of that extreme discipleship teaching. But not sure about Ern Baxter who used to emphase 'authority or anarchy'. l wrongly went along with it for a while!
@@carrotstick1970 Derek Prince was a true man of God that made a mistake. He openly denounced the shepherding teaching which shows he was a humble man willing to admit his wrong. Most teachers at that level would never do such a thing. May he rest in peace.
Thanks!
I know one "pastor👉👉fraud" in Africa, (Uganda) he calls himself "prophet" Samuel kakande, he forbids his congregation from
praying in other churches, giving there tithes and offerings, if they do, they'll be doomed, so he's kept his congregation in such fear.
When they don't give him their tithes, all they have possessed as a result of his prayers will fade away. He has mobile money lines for those in distant areas like abroad, failure to send yo tithe, yo doomed.
The moment you leave his Church for another, yo doomed, it's why many of his congregation live in peril/ fear to leave his Church lest they are cursed, his favorite scripture he uses to intimidate them is "MALACHI 3:10-12."
Thank you for that great teaching and exposition sir
Given the liberty we have, I can't help but think someone insisting that people wear blue socks would be abusing their authority even if they had it.
I TOTALLY AGREE. So many are being lead a stray....
So many traditionalest preachers... Passing down the same wrong teachings sense the first century.... Sad.
Read and learn the word for yourself! Let God Himself be your teacher through the Holy Spirit. Amen
Pure Manipulation in the Church. THANK YOU ❤
Hallelujah thank you for this truth ❤
Please put up on your u tube channel, no. 1 your full name, what Church you belong to. How long have you been a Preacher, if you are one. Where do you live or where do you send out your videos. Lets find out a bit about your background so as one gets to know who they are listening to. Australia.
It’s a shame you don’t have that teaching in Spanish my brother, I will love to post it in my channel ❤.
God bless you and keep you 🙏
I keep my guard up around Pastors especially, and keep my ears open for what they say, and keep my eyes open for what their are really doing.
Awesome stuff Caleb, thanks so much, God bless you for this teaching!❤😄The word of God is so easy to understand and obey, because we've the Spirit of God living inside us who guides us into all truth, so whenever we aren't sure about something we know the Holy Spirit gives us wisdom, understanding, guidance, power etc etc to obey God's word, God will always reveal the truth of what we've to do whenever we aren't sure. wow God is so awesome!
True👍
40 years ago, the Holy Spirit prompted me to be baptized by immersion. Like many born in the 1950's, I was baptized by sprinkling as an infant in a mainline denomination church. I have no recollection of that baptism, and was told when I asked my pastor to baptise me as an adult to "accept your infant baptism as sufficient, by faith. I will NOT be part of your faithless act if you choose to be re-baptised". This was the response from several pastors I knew (I had a traveling music ministry at the time). Still the Holy Spirit prompted me to be baptised by immersion and finally I turned to a friend who was also a believer to do the deed, in a public lake, in the middle of January (winter in the US). I truly believe the decision to obey God and ignore the howls of hirelings to disobey Him, was a turning point for my growth in the faith and Holy Spirit. It puts me mindful of Peter's word to the religious leaders when they demanded that he resist God's command: "judge for yourself whether it is better to obey you or God" ... the process of growing in the faith and Spirit is perpetual and requires that we always answer Him "yes Lord, I will" when He asks for our obedience and cooperation with Him.
This actually happened to me when I posted something on my Facebook page, someone saw it and became angry and the elders told me I had to take it down. I didn't even know they were spying on me, I wasn't friends with any of them, but they felt they had authority over my Facebook page.
That is totally creepy.I’m so sick of this surveillance society,but to have churchmembers doing it would be very strange indeed….from here in Texas,B
@@bjones5791 I have no problem with Christians calling me out when something is not Biblical, the problem is they call us out on things that are not Biblical.
@@gwendolynwehage6336 Of course.I NEED accountability,but it’s in the context of relationship.I don’t need stalkers online coming at me sideways.That is so cowardly…..Now we need strong christian relationships in our communities more than ever!Have the best day ever!…Brent
This is brilliant. Thank you.
Back in the late 70s early 80s I attended Derek prince’s church in Ft. Lauderdale . They believed in Shepherding at first but the lord rebuked him and the ministers. They all Repented, the church grew and prospered. Loved Derek and Ruth, Jim Croft ,Jeff buck, Mehesh Chavda.
I have heardbHeb 13:17brepeated by elders that i have learned a lot from and respect and i have heard it said from them that congregants shouldn't pick and choose what church to go to or else they are in a situatuon of being "just you and your friends with a bible under a tree". The idea seems to be that Heb 13:17 is a commandment, that must be followed.
It seems to me that there is a lack of sober analysis and careful consideration of this passage. Even in protestantism, there appears to be a more gentle but still present hegemony of a ruling class that is like the roman catholic system but wearing a different habit. "You must come to us and submit in order to love Jesus properly"
I appreciate your explication of this topic.
I would think that you could have a church with your friends under a tree, in your home, car, whatever, but under one condition, that your gathering includes all the elements of the church, the foremost being the apostles' teaching as described in Acts 2:42. My understanding is that if there is an individual in the group who is gifted by God with a teaching gift or another gift like prophecy or apostle, and IF that said individual is in a continuing disciple relationship with Jesus and evidenced by humility and the desire to serve the church, THEN that individual should be accepted by the gathering for, in effect, conveying the original apostles' teaching based on the Gospels and including the rest of the New Testament as well as the Old Testament.
Acts 2:42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.
When there is 24/7 heart devotion like this to these four elements (all these four elements being activities with worshiping included in each of them) for the Body of Christ, and that including the gifting of an individual to convey the apostles' teaching, then church can be held anywhere. One can be led by the Holy Spirit in this. God's grace and peace to you all! ❤️
To follow up, and this is not directed at any particular individual, but there is the saying, "KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!" Meaning : Jesus' commands are simple. Jesus' teaching is simple. The Lord's Prayer is simple. Moreover, Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit to bring to remembrance all that Jesus taught and to teach us. It is all simple, we have no excuses. Jesus taught us to be like little children -- I would think that means having awe and being open receptors. As so we believe, God help our unbelief!
All scripture is inspired, each word is important. So, for example, in understanding the above quoted Acts 2:42, the words "they devoted themselves" has to be important -- it actually looks like the key verb in this verse. Devotion of heart is 24/7 devotion, and of course out of a love reponse to God's truly amazing grace and love.
Today people, especially young people, are hungry and left searching in large part because those who think themselves to be followers of Jesus lack this 24/7 devotion of the heart, and they lack simplicity. Let us deal with Jesus constantly, like the twelve disciples whom He called, let us meditate daily, even continually, Jesus' teaching in prayer before Him. Then let us obey with joyful hearts!
I do not believe that I have to run every decision,or whatever in my life. Through any Pastor,or anyone else. But at the same time. I don't believe in rebellion against authority.
Proverbs does advise to have much counsel before deciding a matter but that doesn't always mean the advisers have to be your pastor
I was in a church decades ago where the "pastor" rebuked me for the desire I had to meet with other church members to study the Bible.
I wouldn’t trust this guy as far as I could Chuck him! Wow good one Caleb, you seem to have a knack of finding these false teachers. I would always take into consideration anything that my pastor says. Humans, it has been proven at the end of the day cannot handle that sort of power over people. It is asking for problems.
One of the clearest expositions I've ever heard, very well discerned, I found this so helpful, it is so obvious that the thought put in to this came out if a deep love and yearning to help others understand a very easily comfounded and common problem ,which I would say is actually quite complicated and hard to divide correctly...well done and God bless you richly
Excellent breakdown of what a pastor is all about. You are so thorough in the subject matters of the Bible, because you really do your research. Thank you, Brother!!!
Thanks Dave :) I have a passion for the truth.
Just want to say that although I broadly agree with your take on this point, the wider conversation within that book and video series of John beveres (under cover) is actually very good, and zoning in on this clip alone magnifies the sense that he’s completely deranged and I don’t think he is. 🙏
Glory to Almighty God in Christ Jesus' name through the Power of His Holy Spirit Amen.
May Almighty God continue to Bless you and your precious family and ministry in Christ Jesus' name, Amen
I walked out of a church after listening to the preacher’s explanation of Hebrews 13:17. They were into many practices of “The shepherding movement”.
I love your channel I've learned so much truth here I can only thank God.
God bless you ! First time viewer.....I just subscribed to your very Biblically accurate channel! Great job in your informative and thorough Biblical explanation of all you covered in this video!!
Thank you for this teaching! Awesome.
Thank you. I listened to John Bevere before but I did not like what he was saying, I remember thinking he sounded really in favor of authoritative control, some things he said weren't quite sitting well with me. Anyway I avoided listening to him. Good to know he is a false teacher.
Thank God for this teaching. Today's church needs more of such eye-opening teachings.
We live in an era where church members have been reduced to mere puppets of their pastors. Some christians cannot even decide for themselves when to make love to their wives except their pastors approve of it.
The one in Tim. is a bit complicated. The essence of it is if you are doing something wrong, especially as a leader, you will be responsible. And you will take that responsibility. The problem with this passage is the two or three witnesses part. If a pastor rapes a co-worker in the office, and nobody saw it, he still did something very very bad and should be immediately kicked from the pulpit and in prison. The two or three witnesses needs to be seen as a "you need to prove it". Today we have scientifically based tests, today we have recording devices, today we have cameras. Tons of "witnesses", but so many times this one has been abused to say things didn't happen because nobody saw it...
It sounds like SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS!!!! Self RIGHTEOUSNESS is an ABOMINATION!! Excellent video Brother Caleb!! God Bless!!!!
No one tells me how to think, vote or what to do. The Good Lord gave me a brain to think for myself.
This is the first I've heard of Bevere. A Google search turns up a LOT of positive statements about him and his teaching, one must search for a while to find out what he's really about. Ultimately, he supports Bethel Church and teaches the Prosperity gospel (which is no Gospel at all).
Yeah he used to be Benny Hinns youth pastor. Really bad.
I use to listen to him. I saw him at a church in Phoenix. I am as in deception. I didn’t know he was a Benny Hinn’s youth Pastor wowc
So maybe the people on this site are the ones who have it wrong, then.
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For the gifts and high calling of God are without repentance.
He gave gifts unto men…..
The fivefold ministry.
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If a pastor believes he has God given authority to tell you what colour socks you are allowed to wear you are in a cult. Run away as fast as you can.
Thank you for presenting this video; i struggled a little with the pastor's authority, what he could do or say. You cleared the subject throughly!
Great to hear!!
Did not MacArthur and GCC excommunicated and shamed Eileen Gray for refusing to take back her child-abusing husband, David Gray, in 2002? Even after David was convicted in 2005 of child molestation and abuse, the church continued to support David and spurn Eileen.
EVERY Christian needs to be reading the Bible for themselves. EVERY Christian needs to be studying the Bible for themselves. Do not just rely on what your pastor or Sunday school teacher teaches you. EVERYTHING you are taught needs to line up with the Word of God.
Thank you for this video! I trusted some pastors and I got burned. I was young and naive and it wasn't till I started to seek the Lord and read His Word the truth that they are just men.
Another excellent exposition. 👌 thanks Caleb 👍.
A timely, timely word. Answer to prayer.
Thank you dearly! 🙏🙏
Well done Caleb!
Much thanks!
Weak people let themselves become victims. This gives them someone to blame.
Caleb, I do not disagree with you or have any issue with your handling of this. But, I do have an observation and question for you. I have generally found John Bevere to be sound in his teachings. I am not aware of him being into shepherding. I find the example he gave of wearing the loud clothing to be a bit absurd but could give him some leeway to allow him to illustrate his point. Please note Bevere's appearance in the video. It is obviously an old one as John was much younger then. What Bevere said was a snapshot in time. His views were extremely generalized in the video and thise views may have changed since then. Does Bevere maintain this teaching and point of view to this day?
Agreed. I can't throw the baby out with the bath water. Bevere's book The Bait of Satan is sound, and very helpful. Unfortunately, all he knew as a young preacher was the false pyramidal, pastor-led system.
Amazing teaching thank you for preaching the true word of God!
At 3:05 in this video, I remember a time when being in the choir and the leader instructed us to wear certain clothing for a one time event. But most of us had no budget for one time clothes at that time. Once the leader found out about some choir members dilemma, our leader did the right thing and changed his directive. So at 3:05 in this video - that pastor is WRONG. Also, *1 Peter 5:1-3* *_...not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock._* Thanks Caleb. God Bless
Aside from that, we Christians are instructed to TEST all the SPIRITS (Pastor's teachings) if they are from God or not... (1 John 4:1-6)...
WELL SAID THANK YOU
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In God's Church there is order. The church you see today is not the Church God established in the beginning of time. In fact, the church today operates in blatant disorder and disobedience of God's Word. Many people will confuse correction in the church with authoritarianism due to their lack of understanding of God's Divine Order.
You want to use John Bevere to promote yourself and you are placing things out of context.
In 1 peter 5: 1-3 ¨Lording ¨is refering to controling peoples lives ,depriving them from their freedom and i believe chosing a choir dress code does not fall into that category.
Is chosing a choir/worship team dress code a rule a pastor canot make?
What you are saying is a direct contradiction of the word of God. Because it looks like you are saying that people can decide not to obey their pastors in simple requests because they canot make any rules and be part of the congregation having a rebelious atitude. What you are saying is dangerous and you are doing it just to disagree with a famous writer/pastor.
I believe Paul in 1 Cor 14 :40 speaks about doing things with decency and order during church gatherings therefore there are rules sometimes .
Is the church a place without leaders or overseers ?
Is rebelion a sin ?
Does Hebrews 13:17 says for us to obey/submit only when the Pastor is persuading us with the Bible to obey the bible or Does it say to obey the Pastor? The text is simple really.
There is no need for extra biblical teachings from your Pastor?
If Ephesians 4 :11 and 12 says that Christ gave some Pastors and teachers for the equiping of the saints .
Are saying that we dont need them?
Respect the Pastors Jesus raises up.
You should stop being somebody that causes division.
Thanks
Excellent
It is not a false teaching. You cant live in authority until you live under authority. If a pastor is teaching straight from the Word of God and the Word says exactly what John Bevere is saying. If we disobey the authority of God and those that He places in authority, we live in rebellion, which the Bible says is the same sin as witchcraft
Amen. Been there and experienced that at a church I previously was a member of. I was so relieved when God gave me the green light to run as fast as I could out of there.
Same here
Same here
Male self righteous so and so. Obey your Paster, even if he is corrupt. Think for yourself and stop putting Pastors on a Pedestal. Glad you brought Simon Bar Jonah into this video, as Paul is quoted Too much and he was anti woman, whereas Peter, is humble and has a great integrity. Love Simon Bar Jonah, Peter, Rock. Yeshua picked him through YHWH Gods telling. Remember Yeshua asked Peter, who do you say I am? Peter said you are the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus said, it is not man that told you this but my Father in Heaven. Now referring to the Jewish Leaders, refer to them the Rabbis, to explain their beliefs or history.
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This teaching of Johns kept me in bondage for many years. Hearing this is very good but I still have lingering feelings that my pastors need to tell me what to do. I never realized at the time how this benefited them in an ungodly way. They were above being one of the body and so could have unchecked power. This teaching caused years of grief for me and many other people. I hope John repents.
I've been in churches who taught by Bevere's books. Never again. Very abusive and cult-like. Ted Haggard was Bevere's senior pastor. Read Haggard's shady history.
Excellent…so glad I found your channel…will share on a FB post!!!
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
When does the Holy Spirit come in one’s life???
Eph 1:13-14
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
When a person receives Salvation through Repentance!!!
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ABSOLUTELY! I work for one. Still an employee by God's grace but "left the club" and as a result we have no relationship because He is KEENLY AWARE I no longer BOW at his altar...much to his disdain.
Great video brother. Thanks so much!
Thank You!!!
Hi Caleb, we have only just come across your ministry on Utube and think it is very valuable to all believers who are striving to live by God's word. Many who are caught up under the influences of false teaching/preaching need to hear your messages. Love the way you use scripture correctly and present it clearly and easy to understand. Having recently come out of the charismatic environment and into a strong bible based church family, we truly understand the need for the undeniable truth of God's Word to be revealed through ministries such as yours. If we don't know what the Word of God says, we will fall for anything! Many blessings from Rob and Sandra 😊
John Bevere, he’s so arrogant, unbelievable where this guy is getting his teachings from! Total narcissism here! Thanks for your videos Caleb, God blessings to you also wanted to add I’m learning a lot watching your videos and others like you! I compare it to scripture always which is vital!!
Thank you so much for teaching on this.. one the churches I went to kast year the "Apostle" told us that the Lord tells us to do something and the Pastor tells not to, we have to obey the Pastor because God does not go against His principles.. we were new to the church, we fidnt stay there long.
I've been dealing with this for 5 years now. I left a spiritually abusive church, but my wife and kids would not listen. She has since divorced me over it. When I asked my son what my sin is, he cited Hebrews 13:17. I showed him that obey was not used the same way as in 1 Pet 3 for wives and Eph 6 for kids. Those are military uses of obey, but Hebrews uses a persuasion of the argument. He scoffed and would not listen to me. He said he'd listen to his pastor over me. This crap is real.
Wow, that's nuts.
What's the name of this church?? Was it called the potter's house??
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Merrimack Valley Church. It's in the AoG denomination.
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I'm sorry this is happening. You are right it's very real. I was involved with a ministry that had one of those domineering types and it took me over a year to get out even though I was picking up on something evil in the spirit there. Control and manipulation are actually witchcraft and many are operating in this without even realizing it. This fellowship had one man in it that will never leave even though the pastor is constantly rude and belittling him and they turned on me when I said I was done. People, we need to listen to Holy Spirit's leading and watch the fruit of these teachers.
They have no authority.
Also, I had a little so called pastor who tried to Lord over me. He told me I couldn't go out and street preach for 3 months. He said I couldn't even go out around the city and pray because according to him "God would not hear those weak prayers". He also got mad because I was preaching against these leaders who slap flattering titles in front of their name to exercise lordship over the laity. Yeah, safe to say I rebuked the little troll and fast forward 4 years later he is teaching the clot shot is the mark of the beast.
'Clot shot'... spot on. Well done btw. Maranatha.
“Rebuked the little troll”… I love how you put that. These people need to be laughed out of the pulpit when they come with the shepherding stuff. Trust and believe that without the keyboard playing in the background, and without the crowd hyping that people like Bevere and others have done for them before they take the stage, their spells would be much, much more difficult to weave.
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You know how the Gentle leaders Lord it over the citizens. Jesus was not like that.
The job of a pastor is to teach sound doctrine,to feed the flock. The pastor is to care for the spiritual needs of the congregation where GOD has placed him. It is not the in the authority of the pastor to control every decision, every area of the lives of the people.
This is part of the teaching of a hierarchy in the church, which is horribly wrong.
I tell my church regularly that a pastor preacher or whatever title u may use,that the pastor is one called from among never to he above the others.
My duty as a pastor is to teach the WORD OF GOD and be there to counsel and teach where it is needed.
i would have walked out of his church right then. i would have listened to and considered that when i was younger but not now.
i wonder if Mr. Bevere has considered that people can just switch churches if they so choose...