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I totally relate to Andrew's feelings towards the messy inconsistency that is the rules regarding the use of hanko. That's one of the reasons why I am against the use of hanko altogether. Just sign the ffcking paper, Mary-san. 😂
The point of a signature or hanko is to indicate consent or understanding of a document. While I understand Meng's sentiment of "it is what it is," I tend to agree with Andrew, in that these antiquated rules surrounding hanko should be updated/streamlined to reflect the reality of the digital age.
Hanko is pretty. That's for sure. But it's outdated in the 21st Century... I hope the Hanko culture remains in some parts of society though, whether it be a ceremonial thing or a more fun thing for traditional holidays.
This is my fav vid of yours for far. And you could ask "why?" Because it's actual practical advice that could help someone navigate the intricacies of Japanese culture. So KUDOS.
This was another interesting aspect of Japan that I’m glad you talk about and it was nice to see that you can talk about it and still make it adorable to watch.
I'm glad you covered this as I have an old ginkoin (wooden, kanji) and was considering having a hanko made. I would have had the same type made unwittingly for the jitsuin. Thanks!
They use stamp/seals in Korea as well. It's not required generally, but having a registered stamp/seal or 도장 (Dojang) is more convenient and required for certain things. But offical ones need to be made of wood or stone. I don't have one but I plan to get one when before I leave Korea for myself and family as gifts.
One thing about Meng, he is going to read Andrew down. Meng's library is open 24/7/365 lol. It's an interesting cultural concept. I'm a lefty with sloppy handwriting so signatures have always been...varied.
Lefty-twins! I also have sloppy handwriting, lol. Someone once told me they like to watch me write, because my handwriting was so different from what they were used to, hahaha!
The title of this video pretty much said it all. This was just way too complicated. I totally get why Andrew was frustrated. The look on Meng's face for most of this video was priceless. It was very obvious from the look on his face that Meng was over this topic and did not think it need any further discussion. Meng obviously felt that Andrew just wasted 12:09 of Meng's life and there was no way he was getting that 12:09 back. Andrew, did you mean to take ownership of Meng by officially putting your stamp on him? Meng, did you realize that Andrew was sort of marking his territory when he put his stamp on you?
@@TokyoBTM Ahh...one hour better explains why Meng had that look of "I can't believe we are even talking about this" on his face for most of this video. I wouldn't have been all that happy discussing this nonsense for an hour either.
Fascinating, did not know the hanko had all these layers and versions to it. Also I did not know you could just have it written with alphabet and not in katakana (it would make one's life easier).
It all seems very complicated to a simpleton like me. Surely one signature is enough as all it’s designed to do is identify the person. Japanese culture is beautiful but mysterious 🙏🏻🥰
Great video guys! Very interesting. Please sprinkle more like this into the mix from time to time. Have you done something on what N. American tourists need to know?
When I lived in Japan for 5 years, I had only one hanko/stamp for most of the time but my final year in Japan I got a second inkan because of my employer had one made just for my job. I only had 2 in the end. Both of mine were in Katakana.
Rubber versions aren't allowed in some circumstances because they deteriorate over time? And wood versions are allowed? Wooden tools deteriorate over time too! Do the manufacturers and crafters just use really dense types of hardwood, so the deterioration over time is too slow to be noticeable?
No this is really annoying to me too. I worked for a bank here in Germany and we just required people to sign the paperwork by hand. Some use their full name and use that everytime they have to sign anything, some just use their last, some use initials and all kinds of other combinations. The thing is though as long as you always sign the same way it just doesn't matter. I can sign a contract for a new phone plan the same way I would sign a marriage certificate or to open a bank account. It really shouldn't be that complicated.
I worked for a major steel company and they provided me with a single stamp made from ivory with my name rendered in kanji phonetically. It worked for me for 2 years. It’s a nice memorial for me. So sorry for your hassles.
I understand your frustration. I have two at the moment. When I first arrived here, my employer told me I needed to choose kanji for my hanko because my foreign coworker named ミラー used 鏡 for his name. Eventually I got them to let me do it in katakana because the ateji for my name looks dumb. THEN a few weeks after I had one made the way they told me to, they made me another one. 🙃 haha
Sounds like you need a case just for your less used Jitsu-in. Me, just so I wouldn't get confused, would label outside of them, which each is/was used for. How much is the price difference between a rubber stamp Hanko versus the wood stamp Hanko?
Rule Number 1: As a foreigner, only have a jitsu-in in Romaji. Rule Number 2: Before even thinking about a hanko, just tell people you do not have one and in 95% you can just give a sign. I made my hanko once and I used it literally once, not even my bank wanted one.
So nobody ever get jailed for forgery in Japan then? I mean, there's no uniformity in how one can affix their signature over there so that's confusing to prosecute.
Andrew serving real sass in his cute little hotel-chique ❤️Meng really had an "And I oooop 😗" moment hahaha 🤣 hmm 🧐 I'm curious though are hankos and like hanko practices taught in school? I know here in the Murica public school system they don't teach us anything adult related to finances, government ish like taxes ,loans, all that jazz. I actually don't even remember learning "oh by the way, make sure when you use your signature for official docs and things make sure it's the same every time." It's just something I learned along the way.
Haha I love Meng!!! You so fierce and unafraid!!! 🤣 Andrew I get your frustration. I think Japan has hard time navigating through anything new and uncommon and your name being not Japanese people probably don’t know what to do with you!!! 🤣 keep being you tho 💕
Great video! My university made my seal when I first came to Japan. Now I know it's good that they did it in wood and used my last name 😂. Also loved Meng's actitud because I also try not no complicate my life with thing when I have no power to do anything about it. In any case the problem was that from the beginning Andrew didn't get the best possible design.
This whole argument I'm seeing is like "Why do I need a front door key, a bedroom key, a backyard key, People, from the beginning, should have something like a master key that's applicable in all areas-I mean, it's their 1 unique signature, right? I came across a similar issue when I was applying to renew my state ID. In the past, you can flash your old birth certificate copy-that hopefully you've been keeping for however long-and you're done. You'd get your ID sent to you. But my state issued new requirements for an ID required for travel where... you'd have to pay a day's salary and wait 3 months to get a "verified and certified" birth certificate to give to the DMV. So the certificate that I had been holding onto for years is invalid now, and it's inconvenient.
I had something similar happen. When I moved states, they'd no longer accept my birth certificate because it was issued by the county I was born in, so I had to go through all of that too to get the official state one that they wanted.
This system is so complicated for a video watched early in the morning without my coffee!(gonna have to re watch it after breakfast!) It would be interesting to hear about how all these rules to sign you name developed in Japan. Thanks to you guys, and my desire to see Meng, you are opening me up to the mystical culture of Japan! Thanks! Stay safe, stay sane, stay Strong Ukraine 🇺🇦
My name is Andrew. I'd be interested to know how that could be written in kanji. Would it be ok to have the last syllable as 'ryu' (dragon)? That would be cool.
Just got here about 2 weeks ago! I commissioned mine from a local shop to be made in wood 😁 the woman was so kind and completed it in a few days(it's in Katakana and cost about 2800yen) After watching this video I'm glad I chose that option 😂 Where do you register your name spelling exactly? City hall or...?
Whwn I was in Shizuoka, they always told me "we can't read signatures!" as a reason for hanko (i still have the official one and the stamp ne, anyway, they're CUTE XD). But I had to make 2 bnk account because the first one had my name written only in romaji, but they needed also the katakana, but then they toldme they wanted only katakana, so in 3013 i don't think they were quite sure how to deal with non kanji names
LOL One, I learned something new about hanko I will look into this ASAP because, I do not want to deal with having more than 2 to 3 of these things if possible. I get why Andrew was like nani? This is so rediculous. (Probably, not in comment safe wording like I did) However, I think if you look at it like Meng does as it's just a thing, there is no why. "That's just the way it is. Some things will never change." - Bruce Hornsby and if you don't know the song hon, look it up. See you next video.
Kia ora, Meng and Andrew. Thanks for the information on the different hanko. I simply sign my first name for packages and use my official signature for some work contracts/forms and use my 2 hanko at the bank, some work contracts or on other documents. Hanko are so small but so precious. Have you ever lost a hanko? Andrew's different hanko made me think of different signatures like:- 1) a kid's signature eg. the given name with love hearts instead of dots over some letters 2) the signing of initials 3) an official hand written signature 4) a printed/digital signature 5) the (simple) printed signature of a Japanese person using the alphabet. Feel sorry for anyone living in Japan who has a long name and tries to fill in a Japanese form. BTW, wonder if hanko are used for documents in China or any other countries.
I agree with Andrew. That would be like me printing my name for packages, using cursive for bank transactions, and using calligraphy for buying a house. It makes no sense when I'm the same person doing all of those things. I also think it's dumb that foreigners can't use kanji. It's just a name, and kanji is just symbols. If you can register a katakana spelling of your name, then why not a kanji one too? If it's the argument about kanji being culturally significant to Japanese people, just keep in mind that kanji came from China, so neither the Japanese nor other foreigners should really get a claim to it imo. However, I'm not one to dictate how the law works in Japan, but I can still have my own opinions. If I had the choice, I'd make it so you can use either a signature or a single hanko (with kanji, katakana, hiragana, or latin characters) regardless of whether you're a foreigner or not.
Sorry if I got this wrong, but if Andrew wants to write his name in Kanji, is the Kanji more like Ateji (trying to match the phonetics of Andrew) or the Kanji try to represent the meaning of the word Andew (which comes from the name Andreas meaning "man")? With Katakana, only the phonetics is represented, but with Kanji either the phonetics or meaning is conveyed. I don't know how you can do both though since the Kanji for "man" or "courage" may not sounds like An--drew. Chinese, Korean,and VIenamese names are different since names in these language have both meaning and phonetic component that closely match Japanese reading and understanding of Kanji.
Can you use the jitsu-in for everything or do you HAVE to have a different one as ginko-in? Because at most it sounds like you need 2, but could go down to only 1 I just honestly don't know and maybe got confused during the video, sorry @_@
No problem. We are learning too. You can use one for both jitsuin and ginkoin. But many Japanese people actually still separate them for a variety of reasons.
I live in America, and I've heard that's the rule too. I've never written my signature in another color, so I'm not sure if they'd let it slide or not, but I'd imagine blue and black are easier to scan and are less prone to fading.
This is so outta left field but what are your thoughts on Jpop? Or what do gays in Japan listen to? Curious cause I’ve just started listening to Itzy and realized there are a lot of Kpop/jpop crossovers
I've watched somewhere, not sure of it was from this channel, that Japanese don't like it in black and white. They prefer the middle ground or the gray area.
What? You do literally mean the color of the ink or more like how the stamps can be your first name, last name, both, in kanji, in katakana, etc, and there's not much standardization?
Okay, Shoutout to Meng for dragging the weebs! What I gathered from this is all countries are just as finicky about authorization. It once took me five office visits to get new copies of my ID and SSC here in the US, all because one moment the paperwork I brought was ok except for one item, so I had to return the next day but the new paperwork was no longer compatible with the old documents I had. Back and forth. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it’s so hard to deter anyone who could be potentially scamming the system. If it were alot easier there could potentially be more identity theft. Anyways! Very informative vid!
Kanji represents the meaning of Your name; so for non-Japanese names it would not sound the same in Kanji. Andrew is a Greek name meaning "Strong and Manly"; so You could decide on Kanji that represents "Strong and Manly" but I do not Think The Government of Japan would Allow it. So Katakana makes a better Impression; I think. :)
Is hand written signature not accepted in Japan ? I think it is much safer than seal coz someone could sign any documents on your behalf and even withdraw money from your bank account by stealing your seal.
I really appreciate you discussing the ambiguity of this strange holdover from a different century. But, I guess deeply routed cultural traditions are sometimes hard to accept. I’m with Andrew, for such a seemingly logical country this defies logic. I guess for someone else, for instance, the traditions in the Catholic religion defy logic. Stay well. 👍🙏😎
Jeez!, just wait 'til you discover password security requirements! It'll be an hour long rant! I think these lipstick signatures are pretty cute. I use a monogram to sign for parcels, a surname signature for official documents and my full signature for financial documents. So I can see the sense of having different levels. I do similar online... totally insecure password for sites which have nothing worth taking, complex passwords for something interesting and DeepThought+ for anything really confidential. So what are you complaining about boy?
I watch quite a few Japanese channels and quite a few Japanese people (that have lived abroad) would agree with Andrew. However, there are other things that Japan does very well...so...
haha, when i read this video is about Japanese Personal Seals I thought you're going to talk about PARO robot seals 😂 And why would anyone need signatures and seals these days anyway, when there are electronic signatures and e-documents.
I heard for things requiring a ginko-in, they make you present your ID. It's probably the same for jitsu-in as well, but I think anybody could just make a mitome-in and use it, claiming to be you.
China recently (I think?) introduced name seals for legal representatives of businesses, and I got a government-registered one for free when I opened up my Translation company recently. I think one official name stamp is a good idea, but three? 😅 On a side note, when I handsign a document here, I have to write both my 'legal' signature (the squiggly hard-to-forge one) and my name in block capitals alongside it, otherwise I'll be told off for not writing in 正楷. 🙄 Also, my Chinese name has *some* legality here, for example on my driver's license and degree certificate, but nowhere else. I feel Andrew's pain - I wish I could have my name in 漢字 for official use.
@@nemoneminiThis is why if you were to use seals, European coats of arms are probably the way to go (even though both ways are obsolete). After all, there's only so many fonts you can use for characters, and many people share the same last names. I suppose they could use fingerprints if they're really that opposed to signatures.
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1) Tradition is nice, the world is too homogenized. 2) It does sound very bureaucratically cumbersome, just like New Jersey! (Except in Japan it is probably much easier to find a civil servant who will actually assist you).
The world is full of strange bureaucratic instances that are not defined by logic and sense. These challenges are important to keep human brains active. If everything is too 'Boolean', or easy, the common intelligence will decline even further. That's why 30 page passport renewal forms exist. We know that the state knows who we are and whether we are or are not entitled to the the next one, but here is an extra game to play to prove your patriotism. It also is integral to job creation and preservation. For example, windows open outward in the UK so that you cannot easily clean the outside yourself on higher floors, but need to get a window-cleaning company.
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To summarize Andrew has a lot of feelings about hanko while Meng does not.
I totally understand where Andrew is coming from, but I live for Meng's savagery. 😂
I learn more from this channel than almost any other Japan related channel. Thanks for making this.
I totally relate to Andrew's feelings towards the messy inconsistency that is the rules regarding the use of hanko. That's one of the reasons why I am against the use of hanko altogether. Just sign the ffcking paper, Mary-san. 😂
Andrew is being read like a book and a great personal ATTAC by Meng 😂
The point of a signature or hanko is to indicate consent or understanding of a document. While I understand Meng's sentiment of "it is what it is," I tend to agree with Andrew, in that these antiquated rules surrounding hanko should be updated/streamlined to reflect the reality of the digital age.
Hanko is pretty. That's for sure. But it's outdated in the 21st Century... I hope the Hanko culture remains in some parts of society though, whether it be a ceremonial thing or a more fun thing for traditional holidays.
This is my fav vid of yours for far. And you could ask "why?" Because it's actual practical advice that could help someone navigate the intricacies of Japanese culture. So KUDOS.
Meng's indifference to Andrew's rant was priceless!!!!
Word of the day: Colonizer! 🤣
This was another interesting aspect of Japan that I’m glad you talk about and it was nice to see that you can talk about it and still make it adorable to watch.
Wow and I thought I had it rough figuring out which pen to use 🙄
LoL. 😂😂😂
I'm glad you covered this as I have an old ginkoin (wooden, kanji) and was considering having a hanko made. I would have had the same type made unwittingly for the jitsuin. Thanks!
Glad I could help!
Real Talk. That was awesome. Thank you! The "colonizer" comment was priceless. Thank you for bringing your whole-selves in your videos.
Meng’s “Mmmm” when you’ve said “damn that’s crazy” three times already and they haven’t wrapped up their story yet.
This is very good advice. Something I would have never thought about.
Adding hotel to bucket list of places to stay at :) 😍😍😍
I learned something new and interesting. I want one!!! Thank you for sharing!
"You could just throw this one away" lolol
I'll remember this and smile in gratitude the next time I need simply to pick up a pen to sign my name at the bank.
They use stamp/seals in Korea as well. It's not required generally, but having a registered stamp/seal or 도장 (Dojang) is more convenient and required for certain things. But offical ones need to be made of wood or stone.
I don't have one but I plan to get one when before I leave Korea for myself and family as gifts.
One thing about Meng, he is going to read Andrew down. Meng's library is open 24/7/365 lol. It's an interesting cultural concept. I'm a lefty with sloppy handwriting so signatures have always been...varied.
Lefty-twins! I also have sloppy handwriting, lol. Someone once told me they like to watch me write, because my handwriting was so different from what they were used to, hahaha!
Can’t win Andrew over a debate, he is very quick witted
It is actually a great advice! Honestly, I didn’t know the regulations even though I’m Japanese 😂
I actually like getting to know more about these things. I knew they existed, but I had no clue that they were specific for different functions :O
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Thank you for the video. Enjoy your day!
The title of this video pretty much said it all. This was just way too complicated. I totally get why Andrew was frustrated. The look on Meng's face for most of this video was priceless. It was very obvious from the look on his face that Meng was over this topic and did not think it need any further discussion. Meng obviously felt that Andrew just wasted 12:09 of Meng's life and there was no way he was getting that 12:09 back. Andrew, did you mean to take ownership of Meng by officially putting your stamp on him? Meng, did you realize that Andrew was sort of marking his territory when he put his stamp on you?
lol 12:09? the actual complain was around 1 hr 😂
@@TokyoBTM Ahh...one hour better explains why Meng had that look of "I can't believe we are even talking about this" on his face for most of this video. I wouldn't have been all that happy discussing this nonsense for an hour either.
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Fascinating, did not know the hanko had all these layers and versions to it. Also I did not know you could just have it written with alphabet and not in katakana (it would make one's life easier).
It all seems very complicated to a simpleton like me. Surely one signature is enough as all it’s designed to do is identify the person. Japanese culture is beautiful but mysterious 🙏🏻🥰
"You sue alphabets for your name"!!! -- best burn
Great video guys! Very interesting. Please sprinkle more like this into the mix from time to time. Have you done something on what N. American tourists need to know?
When I lived in Japan for 5 years, I had only one hanko/stamp for most of the time but my final year in Japan I got a second inkan because of my employer had one made just for my job. I only had 2 in the end. Both of mine were in Katakana.
Rubber versions aren't allowed in some circumstances because they deteriorate over time? And wood versions are allowed?
Wooden tools deteriorate over time too! Do the manufacturers and crafters just use really dense types of hardwood, so the deterioration over time is too slow to be noticeable?
Yeah. It seems dumb. They're perfectly capable of making brass, stainless steel, or even titanium ones now, which are better in every way.
Mean while in America, you can sign how ever you want
No this is really annoying to me too. I worked for a bank here in Germany and we just required people to sign the paperwork by hand. Some use their full name and use that everytime they have to sign anything, some just use their last, some use initials and all kinds of other combinations. The thing is though as long as you always sign the same way it just doesn't matter. I can sign a contract for a new phone plan the same way I would sign a marriage certificate or to open a bank account.
It really shouldn't be that complicated.
I worked for a major steel company and they provided me with a single stamp made from ivory with my name rendered in kanji phonetically. It worked for me for 2 years. It’s a nice memorial for me. So sorry for your hassles.
love Meng's rested btich face!!!! love you meng!!!!
I understand your frustration. I have two at the moment. When I first arrived here, my employer told me I needed to choose kanji for my hanko because my foreign coworker named ミラー used 鏡 for his name. Eventually I got them to let me do it in katakana because the ateji for my name looks dumb. THEN a few weeks after I had one made the way they told me to, they made me another one. 🙃 haha
Wow, that color on you both, is so lush.
Sounds like you need a case just for your less used Jitsu-in.
Me, just so I wouldn't get confused, would label outside of them, which each is/was used for.
How much is the price difference between a rubber stamp Hanko versus the wood stamp Hanko?
Rule Number 1: As a foreigner, only have a jitsu-in in Romaji.
Rule Number 2: Before even thinking about a hanko, just tell people you do not have one and in 95% you can just give a sign.
I made my hanko once and I used it literally once, not even my bank wanted one.
So nobody ever get jailed for forgery in Japan then? I mean, there's no uniformity in how one can affix their signature over there so that's confusing to prosecute.
Andrew serving real sass in his cute little hotel-chique ❤️Meng really had an "And I oooop 😗" moment hahaha 🤣 hmm 🧐 I'm curious though are hankos and like hanko practices taught in school? I know here in the Murica public school system they don't teach us anything adult related to finances, government ish like taxes ,loans, all that jazz. I actually don't even remember learning "oh by the way, make sure when you use your signature for official docs and things make sure it's the same every time." It's just something I learned along the way.
Thanks! Seems complicated. But looking at my hand signature which is rather unreadable anyway, maybe this is actually a much smarter idea.
Haha I love Meng!!! You so fierce and unafraid!!! 🤣 Andrew I get your frustration. I think Japan has hard time navigating through anything new and uncommon and your name being not Japanese people probably don’t know what to do with you!!! 🤣 keep being you tho 💕
What’s the rule for the giveaway 🤔
oooop Meng str8 up came for andrewwwwww, "Y'all are colonizers" lmaooooo
We need signatures, is pretty lol
Great video! My university made my seal when I first came to Japan. Now I know it's good that they did it in wood and used my last name 😂.
Also loved Meng's actitud because I also try not no complicate my life with thing when I have no power to do anything about it. In any case the problem was that from the beginning Andrew didn't get the best possible design.
This whole argument I'm seeing is like "Why do I need a front door key, a bedroom key, a backyard key,
People, from the beginning, should have something like a master key that's applicable in all areas-I mean, it's their 1 unique signature, right?
I came across a similar issue when I was applying to renew my state ID.
In the past, you can flash your old birth certificate copy-that hopefully you've been keeping for however long-and you're done. You'd get your ID sent to you.
But my state issued new requirements for an ID required for travel where... you'd have to pay a day's salary and wait 3 months to get a "verified and certified" birth certificate to give to the DMV. So the certificate that I had been holding onto for years is invalid now, and it's inconvenient.
I had something similar happen. When I moved states, they'd no longer accept my birth certificate because it was issued by the county I was born in, so I had to go through all of that too to get the official state one that they wanted.
Omg! I screamed when Meng said 'because you guys are colonizers' 😂🤣 I was not ready for that comment! It took me out 🤣😂
I didn’t know there Yuzu Sherbet was a thing so thanks for bringing it to our attention.
This system is so complicated for a video watched early in the morning without my coffee!(gonna have to re watch it after breakfast!)
It would be interesting to hear about how all these rules to sign you name developed in Japan.
Thanks to you guys, and my desire to see Meng, you are opening me up to the mystical culture of Japan!
Thanks!
Stay safe, stay sane, stay Strong Ukraine 🇺🇦
My name is Andrew. I'd be interested to know how that could be written in kanji. Would it be ok to have the last syllable as 'ryu' (dragon)? That would be cool.
I hope someone is as excited about me as Meng is about American Coffee in the wee hours of the morning.
I have those! Wait, that's lipstick.
Just got here about 2 weeks ago! I commissioned mine from a local shop to be made in wood 😁 the woman was so kind and completed it in a few days(it's in Katakana and cost about 2800yen)
After watching this video I'm glad I chose that option 😂 Where do you register your name spelling exactly? City hall or...?
Yes, your local city hall or ku hall! Glad you did in wood and katakana !
Good choice!
Holy Shiatsu...the caffeine really kicked in with this vlog! Hahaha The subject is very confusing and offered new insight to Japanese culture for me.
Whwn I was in Shizuoka, they always told me "we can't read signatures!" as a reason for hanko (i still have the official one and the stamp ne, anyway, they're CUTE XD). But I had to make 2 bnk account because the first one had my name written only in romaji, but they needed also the katakana, but then they toldme they wanted only katakana, so in 3013 i don't think they were quite sure how to deal with non kanji names
Interesting… but way too geeky a rabbit hole for my little mind on just a single cup of coffee.
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There's gotta be an agency/consultancy that does this for you. If NOT, new business idea?!?!?!
Omg I never knew there so many different types of hanko… I’ve just been using the one for the past 15 years…
oh really? Just like Andrew, i also have 4 hankos
LOL One, I learned something new about hanko I will look into this ASAP because, I do not want to deal with having more than 2 to 3 of these things if possible. I get why Andrew was like nani? This is so rediculous. (Probably, not in comment safe wording like I did) However, I think if you look at it like Meng does as it's just a thing, there is no why. "That's just the way it is. Some things will never change." - Bruce Hornsby and if you don't know the song hon, look it up. See you next video.
Kia ora, Meng and Andrew.
Thanks for the information on the different hanko.
I simply sign my first name for packages and use my official signature for some work contracts/forms and use my 2 hanko at the bank, some work contracts or on other documents.
Hanko are so small but so precious.
Have you ever lost a hanko?
Andrew's different hanko made me think of different signatures like:-
1) a kid's signature eg. the given name with love hearts instead of dots over some letters
2) the signing of initials
3) an official hand written signature
4) a printed/digital signature
5) the (simple) printed signature of a Japanese person using the alphabet.
Feel sorry for anyone living in Japan who has a long name and tries to fill in a Japanese form.
BTW, wonder if hanko are used for documents in China or any other countries.
Also, yuzu ice cream-so good. But not as good as you both in your yukata.
I agree with Andrew. That would be like me printing my name for packages, using cursive for bank transactions, and using calligraphy for buying a house. It makes no sense when I'm the same person doing all of those things. I also think it's dumb that foreigners can't use kanji. It's just a name, and kanji is just symbols. If you can register a katakana spelling of your name, then why not a kanji one too? If it's the argument about kanji being culturally significant to Japanese people, just keep in mind that kanji came from China, so neither the Japanese nor other foreigners should really get a claim to it imo. However, I'm not one to dictate how the law works in Japan, but I can still have my own opinions. If I had the choice, I'd make it so you can use either a signature or a single hanko (with kanji, katakana, hiragana, or latin characters) regardless of whether you're a foreigner or not.
Sorry if I got this wrong, but if Andrew wants to write his name in Kanji, is the Kanji more like Ateji (trying to match the phonetics of Andrew) or the Kanji try to represent the meaning of the word Andew (which comes from the name Andreas meaning "man")? With Katakana, only the phonetics is represented, but with Kanji either the phonetics or meaning is conveyed. I don't know how you can do both though since the Kanji for "man" or "courage" may not sounds like An--drew. Chinese, Korean,and VIenamese names are different since names in these language have both meaning and phonetic component that closely match Japanese reading and understanding of Kanji.
How did you/your company decide on the kanji for your name?
Can you use the jitsu-in for everything or do you HAVE to have a different one as ginko-in? Because at most it sounds like you need 2, but could go down to only 1
I just honestly don't know and maybe got confused during the video, sorry @_@
No problem. We are learning too. You can use one for both jitsuin and ginkoin. But many Japanese people actually still separate them for a variety of reasons.
@@TokyoBTM ohhhhhh, I see then. Thanks!! 💙
Because you guys are colonizer haha Meng slay like me. I say all the time. 😂
Not Meng being low-key branded by Andrew 😂
What we need to know is what did you use the hanko for? 😝
Meng, spill the tea boy 🍵…. Must be something major for andrew! Congrats 🎉🎈🍾
It's not quite the same thing, but in Canada (and I think in the US) , all government/banking documents must be done in blue or black ink.
I live in America, and I've heard that's the rule too. I've never written my signature in another color, so I'm not sure if they'd let it slide or not, but I'd imagine blue and black are easier to scan and are less prone to fading.
This is so outta left field but what are your thoughts on Jpop? Or what do gays in Japan listen to? Curious cause I’ve just started listening to Itzy and realized there are a lot of Kpop/jpop crossovers
I've watched somewhere, not sure of it was from this channel, that Japanese don't like it in black and white. They prefer the middle ground or the gray area.
What? You do literally mean the color of the ink or more like how the stamps can be your first name, last name, both, in kanji, in katakana, etc, and there's not much standardization?
So much red tape...!
I didn't understood how a foreign name can be written in kanji. Can someone explain me please?
Okay, Shoutout to Meng for dragging the weebs! What I gathered from this is all countries are just as finicky about authorization. It once took me five office visits to get new copies of my ID and SSC here in the US, all because one moment the paperwork I brought was ok except for one item, so I had to return the next day but the new paperwork was no longer compatible with the old documents I had. Back and forth. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it’s so hard to deter anyone who could be potentially scamming the system. If it were alot easier there could potentially be more identity theft. Anyways! Very informative vid!
Kanji represents the meaning of Your name; so for non-Japanese names it would not sound the same in Kanji. Andrew is a Greek name meaning "Strong and Manly"; so You could decide on Kanji that represents "Strong and Manly" but I do not Think The Government of Japan would Allow it. So Katakana makes a better Impression; I think. :)
How in the world did anyone do business during lockdown with Hanko required for everything?
Ummm a good question. But there is no real lockdown in Japan tho
Are bottoms forbidden from watching? Just asking for a friend 😅
Is hand written signature not accepted in Japan ? I think it is much safer than seal coz someone could sign any documents on your behalf and even withdraw money from your bank account by stealing your seal.
I really appreciate you discussing the ambiguity of this strange holdover from a different century. But, I guess deeply routed cultural traditions are sometimes hard to accept. I’m with Andrew, for such a seemingly logical country this defies logic. I guess for someone else, for instance, the traditions in the Catholic religion defy logic. Stay well. 👍🙏😎
Jeez!, just wait 'til you discover password security requirements! It'll be an hour long rant! I think these lipstick signatures are pretty cute. I use a monogram to sign for parcels, a surname signature for official documents and my full signature for financial documents. So I can see the sense of having different levels. I do similar online... totally insecure password for sites which have nothing worth taking, complex passwords for something interesting and DeepThought+ for anything really confidential. So what are you complaining about boy?
I watch quite a few Japanese channels and quite a few Japanese people (that have lived abroad) would agree with Andrew.
However, there are other things that Japan does very well...so...
Lmao you guys are great ❤️
haha, when i read this video is about Japanese Personal Seals I thought you're going to talk about PARO robot seals 😂 And why would anyone need signatures and seals these days anyway, when there are electronic signatures and e-documents.
Andrew, for your kanji ¿did you go for sound or for meaning? What I don't get is ¿can't hankos be abused? ¿How do they know it's you using it?
I heard for things requiring a ginko-in, they make you present your ID. It's probably the same for jitsu-in as well, but I think anybody could just make a mitome-in and use it, claiming to be you.
China recently (I think?) introduced name seals for legal representatives of businesses, and I got a government-registered one for free when I opened up my Translation company recently. I think one official name stamp is a good idea, but three? 😅
On a side note, when I handsign a document here, I have to write both my 'legal' signature (the squiggly hard-to-forge one) and my name in block capitals alongside it, otherwise I'll be told off for not writing in 正楷. 🙄
Also, my Chinese name has *some* legality here, for example on my driver's license and degree certificate, but nowhere else. I feel Andrew's pain - I wish I could have my name in 漢字 for official use.
The name as on your passport. Does it mean all your given names and your surname as well? Or only your first given name?
usually surname for the official one. Japanese people also use only surname
@@TokyoBTM But what's the point of a "signature" that's never going to be remotely unique?
@@nemoneminiThis is why if you were to use seals, European coats of arms are probably the way to go (even though both ways are obsolete). After all, there's only so many fonts you can use for characters, and many people share the same last names. I suppose they could use fingerprints if they're really that opposed to signatures.
So basically, the person who gifted Andrew made his life a living hell 😅
Is Meng having her period girl ?
Are you sure hankos aren't some sort of toys?
Can't you have jitsu-in in alphabet with your " english" signature? Btw, meng you're so gorgeous.
Konichiwa, Sapporo Bottoms! 🙋🏻♂️ I just celebrated my 10 year Coming Out Anniversary on Monday April 11th as a Houston Versatile. 🏳️🌈 #Pride I just wanted to give a shout out to my 2 dudes, Andrew and Meng. And to quote Meng, "xxxK those Tokyo Bxxxxxx." 💅🏻💁🏻♂️ 🇺🇸🤝🇨🇦🇨🇳
congratulations for your 10 year coming out anniversary! ^^
"Because you guys are colonizers" looool
1) Tradition is nice, the world is too homogenized.
2) It does sound very bureaucratically cumbersome, just like New Jersey! (Except in Japan it is probably much easier to find a civil servant who will actually assist you).
The world is full of strange bureaucratic instances that are not defined by logic and sense. These challenges are important to keep human brains active. If everything is too 'Boolean', or easy, the common intelligence will decline even further. That's why 30 page passport renewal forms exist. We know that the state knows who we are and whether we are or are not entitled to the the next one, but here is an extra game to play to prove your patriotism.
It also is integral to job creation and preservation. For example, windows open outward in the UK so that you cannot easily clean the outside yourself on higher floors, but need to get a window-cleaning company.