Manchester Marathon 2024 Race Vlog [] Why Did I DNF AGAIN?? [] The FULL Answer
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
- After a DNF at the Yorkshire Marathon 2023, it was time to put the demons to bed and run my first competitive marathon since 2016. Things were set fair for Manchester 2024. A solid training block. Good fuelling strategy. Excellent psychological state.
And yet.... well yes and yet. See what really went wrong for me on the day and what I can do to put it right.
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Completely understand your decision to pull out. Nice positive about the future and changes you could make, I’ve had a couple of setbacks over the years but always try and think positive comeback even better
Thanks James. It will be all the sweeter when it happens.
What a considerate thing to do for Dawn 🙌 well done John it sounds like a great block into the race and whilst you didn’t get the outcome you were targeting, to get to 18 miles is an achievement and some learnings there to takeaway too. It was great to meet you briefly on the day! All the best
Thanks Mike. Lovely to meet you too and we look forward to your account of the day.
Great vid, John. Love the honesty. You did great in the build up and now just build in that confidence. Well done mate. Fight another day.
Yep and retained my freshness by not completing a marathon. Briggt side 😉
A nice thorough discussion of how it went. Fingers crossed the lessons learned will serve you well. It's a horrid feeling when the legs just stop responding properly.
Yep especially with a loved one hot on your heels for whom it would be game over if they caught you!
Great Video John as always.
Thanks Todd. Hopefully a happier tale to tell at the 5k.
Well done on the effort. You made such a great, selfless decision to hide from Dawn to make sure she didn't DNF herself, total respect for that! As a complete amateur that's never (yet) done a marathon, I'm still completely i awe of your times but I understand at your level you expect and desire better for yourselves. Onwards and hopefully upwards and I look forward to seeing the next Vlog.
Point of note: this is the 6th VLOG I have watched where the times were not what was hoped for. There must have been something in the air! RESPECT sir
Thank you for your kind words. Yeah we've met / seen two Vlogs where things went to plan and plenty where the wheels came off for whatever reason. Something in the air. Good luck when you do choose to enter a marathon.
Great analysis into the race john, we never stop learning, onwards and upwards to the next one, keep on keeping on both.
Thanks Jay.
Good effort on a different day you smash it with no problem. try not to think about could have's and should have's you did the right thing listening to your body and did a selfless act to help your Wife finish kudos to you both for doing it.
Thanks Jamie
Gutted for you. Great analysis and sure you can make the changes to succeed at another marathon. Also good hiding skills!
Thank you. We won't be sharing marathon roads again...😉
Both videos are excellent with great reflection, really love this channel. It’s just little adjustments needed, especially after seeing the Tim grosse video comparisons you both in my mind put in solid marathon prep, and I am sure you will both achieve the results your looking for, your experience is not in doubt and I frequently cross referenced your videos for the invaluable advice they brought during my Manchester preparations so thankyou for this, hopefully I will be able to see you on a start line in the near future to thankyou in person.
That's very kind of you to say so. Thanks for your support.
Interesting Video well done for putting it together sometimes races just go like that. Rest and recover and go again
Thank you. We shall.
You two need to have a word with each other. Train together, live together but race your own races
Thank you for your input. There are races we do separately, and some we do the same. We have different marathons next spring and possibly this autumn.
Sorry to hear about this and it sounded like the right thing to do by hiding, you still ran incredibly well, I hope you are both feeling okay now 😊😊
Yeah. Camera had run out by then. Might have to go back and film a recreation 😉
Unlucky mate. Was great to have a little chat at bag drop.
See you on the next one and hopefully youll get the performance you deserve 💪
Cheers Andy you too and well done on your very solid race. Compared to most on the day that's a big win.
Great effort. That is tough to have it twice. I would make the long runs longer. Do some 30 mile runs in the block. Keep up the great work. The hiding from Dawn was interesting. It is great the both of you can race in same events
Ha yes certainly interesting at the time. Thanks for watching!
Enjoyed the candid post race analysis. Hopefully the small tweaks will give you the results you desire. These older bodies (mine very much included) can be a little temperamental especially to distance but that won't stop us trying to coax a few more good tunes from them 😊
Thanks Mark. Yes this is not the end of the journey
Keep your chin up mate! You did everything right. Don’t be too disheartened there’s always another one round the corner!
Watch this space...
Great story John. What a wonderful decision to to help Dawn make it. Legend top man!
Thanks Will. Glad you understand. One day we'll hit the day right
Great analysis John, I have found that it is really important to do marathon pace or faster efforts in my long and medium long runs during the block. Last year I did that a lot for my 3:27 but this year because of my injury I was just trying to get my mileage up and did not do enough faster efforts because I believed (probably quite rightly) that I could not build mileage fast and intensity at the same time. Teaching your body to pick up the pace when it is fatigued is a good training stimulus that helps harden the legs.
The other thing I do which I did not have time for this block is to max out at 3h for my long run. Earlier in the block that might limit how far I run but as you add in more marathon pace efforts into that the run can get up to 22+ miles. I just don’t force the max length of my run but let time on feet dictate how far.
Thanks Dave and well done for getting to the start and finish lines. Yes lots to think about. Ben Parkes plan for the next block with a few adaptations
Well done again John 🎉 That was good coverage of your race, thanks. I agree with you, there's many more good marathons in you. This was a stronger performance than Yorkshire too I'd say, so your marathoning is coming along nicely. I'm sure you'll get there.
Yep fair point. Thanks Matt. I did actually see you come through the finish area with your GoPro but was deep in conversation with someone. Also saw you pass at 18 when I was waiting for Dawn to come though.
Are you up for another crack at Yorkshire?
@@tworunningbrooms pwwfff.... I have a bad memory of Yorkshire, didn't help I ran it just 2 weeks after another one. I'm not keen to try it again. Chester though maybe. I'm back to planning the rest of the year now. Nothing yet until gnr in September but I'll find some races.
Actually, I was wondering if you dnf, do they still give you your splits for the miles run ? I.e. 10k, 20k, half etc ?
Ofcourse you've still got Strava.
Good decision all round.
Use the training,to push on for the rest of the year
Thanks for your support
Ah, that was clearly a tough experience, John.
Giggling a little at the visual of you hiding from Dawn, though, but can understand why you did it.
Yeah, we've decided racing the same marathon is to be avoided in future.
Sometimes it just doesn't go to plan. Get another one booked in and build on the training youve already banked. Maybe you need to train for individual marathons? Have one supporting, one running. Remove the pressure of being in the same race.
You will come back stronger and have better days 👍
Yes, we've come to that conclusion! Thanks.
Unlucky John but great effort. Really good video 🙂
Thank you. Thought a lot about how to strike the right tone.
Sorry it wasn’t a good day for you John. The thought of you hiding behind bushes so not to put Dawn off her own run will be a story to tell for a long time. I had visions of some of the spectators thinking you might be swapping with a twin to fiddle the finishing times 🤣
Hope the recovery runs are going ok and we still have pencilled in 4th May for Walsall.
Haha. I wish I did have a twin who could take over at 16 miles of a marathon.
Yes all good for Walsall. I see you rolled the pitch for me last Saturday 😉
@@tworunningbrooms - I needed to see where the best racing line would be when we both try to go under 20 😁
Very selfless approach John, letting Dawn think you were ahead, knowing she’d stop to help you. I haven’t even attempted a marathon as yet, my first half at Manchester was aborted due to Covid but I still went down to support friends and did a video too. I think time on feet is interesting, you spending time sitting etc, have you considered a sit stand desk, that is a great way to strengthen your legs. You’ll be back, Yorkshire grit💪
I have a stand desk for when I WFH. Been using it this morning. But I spend 3-4 hrs a day 4 days per week commuting in a car and can't do much about that. Good luck when you do get to complete one
@@tworunningbrooms I see, well I’m sure you’ll think of a new approach John😊
Hey John,
Great effort, and such a selfless decision. I wonder if for your next one you just forget pace all together and make your priority just getting around. That would answer any doubt about whether you can do the distance. The paces you are running really are very fast for someone who hasn't completed the distance for so many years. Finish lines not finish times is my mantra when I bonk!
I like that mantra and watch this space... 😀
No doubt you'll be back stronger! Great video. I'm not as experienced as you but in training this block I noticed some days I could do15 miles at MP as part of my long run, but one long run day, well rested, no physical issues at all, I couldn't get within 90s/mile of MP from the start and just had no legs. Perhaps a sub clinical/symptomatic viral infection, or just that the stars weren't quite aligned 😜
Yes both those things 😉. And they often align on marathon day!
Never an easy decision to DNF, but I believe you done the right thing. Plyometrics is brilliant and had to do a lot of that since my Achilles injury so will help, great to see you both before the start and looking forward to seeing how you both progress 👍🏼
Thanks Donato - is there a particular video / protocol / scheme you follow for that?
@@tworunningbrooms mainly ankle hops and/or skipping
Cheer John. Good, honest assessment.
In hindsight, maybe you would've done things differently in training but I honesty can't fault the work you've put in.
It's extremely harsh to suggest you only have a limited number of marathons in you. Whoever said that, needs to seriously give their head a shake!
On reflection, would you have felt better if you'd allowed Dawn to pass and then ground out the remaining 8 miles to complete? Think it's always better to finish outside your target time than DNF but I respect your decision.
So many positives from the training so use those experiences to make your next marathon better.
You and Dawn are so supportive of one another. I'm so sorry your Manchester ended this way but am so happy this didn't affect Dawn's race. I know seeing her finish will have given you so much joy and I hope that cushioned some the disappointment of your own race.
Wishing all the best with future challenges.
So very kind of you Colin.
If I'd have tried to get to the end having stopped for 15 mins then Dawn would have finished and been worrying where I was as we had arranged to meet at a particular point at the finish.
Separate marathons next time!
Really sorry John that you had to pull out the Marathon after all your hard work leading up to it. I was convinced you would easily go under 3.15! It was very thoughtful of you to hide from Dawn as to not spoil her Marathon experience and risk her recording a DNF too. If it was me I would have probably waited until she went passed and jogged in behind her. You are one positive Guy though as your post race analysis shows & I'm sure you will bounce back from the obvious disappointment to achieve a top Marathon time in the future.
Thanks Kev. The problem with finishing behind her is that she would have been worried when I wasn't at the agreed meeting point at the cricket ground. Had I been taken ill for example?
Different marathons for us next time!
Good recap of Manchester marathon John, sorry it didn’t go the way you wanted, good luck with the next marathon,because I’m injured at the moment slowly getting the knee better, I’ve been asking myself have I still any more marathons left in me? I did my best marathon times pbs 57, 58, 59 years old, everybody has a different method of training, one method might suit one person but not the next person. I’m starting to believe that as ya get older late 50s early 60s the best form of training is the one long run ( 3 hours ) in the weekend but keep the long runs super easy conversation pace, & 2 tempo runs in the week, & the rest of your runs very easy pace milage, & though in a few 5k park runs here & there, important to do some marathon pace in the long runs but reckon you only need a few marathon pace long runs late in the training block, that’s pretty much how my training went the last two or three years, it’s only when I started doing more, faster than marathon pace works that I started getting injured lately, so I was actually doing better marathon times by doing my long runs at very easy conversation pace, & my tempo runs were on trails up & down hills, good luck with whatever training you do, onwards & upwards, keep on keeping on 👍🏼😀✅👣🧐🌴🌲🥳🏃🏽♂️
Thanks Reece. Yes always a tricky balance between distance and intensity. What works one year might not work the next. Hope things get right for you soon.
John I left a comment for Dawn who I think is a gutsy runner and persevered despite things not going her way!
My thoughts for you is well done for summarising how things went for you and the disappointment you had to endure.
Perhaps you should incorporate the ideas of a fellow RUclipsr “rundreamachieve” who maintains that within a long run should be sections of marathon or faster than marathon pace efforts such as e.g. 2-3 mile w/u below marathon pace then 1 mile slightly quicker followed by a mile slightly slower for 10-15 miles with a slower c/d.
I have started to employ this method which can be adapted for shorter races and await results. The guy is a sub 2.30 marathoner so must know what he is on about.
I wouldn’t dream of telling you what to do but feel a look at his various videos may supply an answer.
As I mentioned to Dawn I am impressed that you both have the courage to put out summaries of your race and wish you every success and well being in the future.
Thank you Trevor. Are they called lactate buffering runs? I know Matt Rees is a fan of them, although his Manchester Marathon was a tough one this year. Thanks for the kind comments.
Tough race day experience, well done for giving it a shot... Having listened to the video the only area that I can see that may have affected you besides maybe the MP work is.....I'm of similar age to you both now and I've really noticed that those fast 5ks take much longer to get over than we think, and I do know that you tried to go sub 20 on a recent couple of them, just something to think about, as even in the marathon we still need to recruit those faster twitch muscles that may have been somewhat fatigued. Regards Jenny
That's a fantastic point and something we mentioned to each other on the day but forgot to put in the video.
Tbh had I got the sub 20 at Long Eaton I'd have found a different parkrun for 8 days before the marathon to have a slower run round.
Yes we definitely won't be chasing small picture things
Great video, mate. Very honest. I'll disagree with someone's comment regarding age. I started to think about that a couple of years ago, and it was the start of a bad few years of running. I've gotten over that now and refuse to accept age as an issue. That's the good thing about running - we get to run in our age categories. I'm sure you'll find the perfect formula. Maybe have a couple of rest days planned into your training schedule? Remember, recovery is as important as a session!
Thanks Ian appreciate it. I think the problem with complete rest for me is it would render me immobile due to my job. The 3 milers took little out of me.
This is certainly not the end of the journey.
Back luck John,onwards and upwards.
Onwards yes.
Bad luck but well done for giving it a good go and clearly your general running fitness is a lot better than it has been in recent years. I had to laugh when you hid from the wife. Perhaps I try to do that with incoming running shoes. I agree that was a good thing to do in the circumstances as certainly won't have helped Dawn seeing you stopped. Yeah you could have walked/jogged in but not as if you have anything to prove just completing a marathon. You touched on some things I saw in my analysis and the struggles of experienced older athletes. It just occurred to me that when younger in pre GPS days we had much less "feedback" in a race and being so experienced now I find we sort start to "compute" our finishing time before a race has barely started. I tend to race best when I actually race not continually clock watch although obviously in a marathon you need to select a MP and crank them out. Personally with marathons I found I needed to get very specific and by that doing runs longer than was hoping to race for and plenty of marathon pace. Usually though, even with Matt, I did the majority of my MP work in medium length runs (say around 15 miles) and only say in 3 hour runs sometimes picking up the pace a bit in the last 5 miles or so. It always gave me confidence that race day was going to be my actual longest run of a block at least in time and often I have done a full marathon in training and even up to 50K a few times. I think the fundamental question I ask myself is how I am going to condition myself to run hard for 3 hours with no stops.
Yeah I noticed Matt R getting totally thrown by his Stryd Pod being out. Actually the last really good marathon I ran (Hull 2012) had no mile markers and I ran with a basic stopwatch. Nailed it. Totally agree with a race being a race not a solo time trial. I had hoped to pick people off at the end, but never got to see the end! The issue I have, and Dawn more so, is that if we are running 3:15 / 3:30 then to go longer than you're racing on the day then you're up to 3:45, at which point is that creating too much fatigue for the rest of the training and risking injury / burnout. Not something I ever considered when I was in the 2:40s and 2:50s;
I think that was a great thing you did for your wife. As you know her more than anyone, and how much that she also wanted to finish the race and run well. I'm sure you will both bounce back stronger than ever and fuel the fire. I don't know how long you would need to recover after a race, but you ever thought of entering a 20 mile race a month before the marathon or 6 weeks or so. And try run it at marathon pace. Then you get to practice fueling, how the pace feels, and if you fall short and struggle, you can have time to adjust and work on things to get stronger. But numbers 1 thing is keep the positive mind set you both have 💪🏿👏🏿👍🏿
We used to do that quite a lot bit are concerned about recovery time if we go too hard. In fact if you look at Dawn's Power of 10 from 2009 you'll see she did that 4 weeks in a row including setting the fastest F45 time that year and winning the Yorkshire Championships! London didn't go too well though.
@tworunningbrooms okay, fair enough. As we get older, it is harder to race hard and recover in time. I guess it's trying to find the balance that works best for you both. Is it more s&c, more miles, more miles at race pace, or was it just a bad day in the office and the training was great. This is why the marathon is so tough. I have never run the last 5k of a marathon sub 21 minutes. I hit the wall at 20/22 miles and suffer till the end, lol. Well, I'll continue you to watch both of you chasing your goals, and I'm sure you both will get there in the end. Have a lovely weekend
@@thewingitrunner Thank you. Yes I think we can over-analyse and overlook the obvious. Hope your running weekend has gone well too.
Hey John, thanks for sharing your experience. Sorry, it didn't work out as planned. I can certainly relate, I just finished a PW at Boston 2 weeks ago. Just like you my training had gone well and I also picked up a knee issue about 4 weeks out. That really flared up during the race around mile 8 and it just continued to get worse. So now I find myself in the knee pain group. Never had this before, will see what my new physical therapist has to say about this on Tuesday. Motivated to do some focused strength training and for next Boston I will train in the heat and more in the day time, which I don't like, but that's what the day gave me. I don't think it's age, that was the limiting factor, rather than things leading up to the race. Will Dawn be running Sydney?
That's such a shame. Dawn will be running in Chester I think. Yes I think with many of us the training is pretty much spot on but the body sometimes can't withstand it all mechanically. Hope you get a progression plan soon.
I had a terrible run on the day too, was at least going to get 3:15 come mile 20 then fell apart run/walked until the last 2miles came away with 3:41😭 still happy to finish with it being my first. I’ll try again in a year or so, just know from who i spoken to at the end most people didn’t have the race go the way the expected come halfway 🙃
Yes there was something in the air. Maybe people battled too hard from 6-13 miles and had less left for the end? Well done on your debut and I'm sure you learned a lot.
I guess it all comes down to your why. I’ve done oodles of marathons and personally just enjoy the event and running with like-minded people. Ran Boston on Monday and did not even have my watch with me. Ran on “feels” and had a great experience. Longevity in the sport that I thoroughly enjoy is my why.
Well done. There is something to be said for that approach. However to get into Boston presumably you had to qualify, so must have done that with focus?
Bad luck John, Boston still open for the 28th if you fancy another crack now you have another 18 mile long run in the bag!
One other possible reason you may not agree with is running every day. I am 51 this year and have previously done a 278 day streak. I felt the fittest I had every been and was faster over shorter distances. Long distances however became more of a slog. I do think running every day you do carry a small amount of fatigue that rears its head over the longer distances. Although that may be just me!
Since including a rest day on Mondays I have improved over the long distances and am looking for 3.10 or so at Boston.
You're probably right from a physiological point of view. But a 10 mins shuffe on a 'rest' day isn't really running, yes? Good luck at Boston, and the weather holds fine for you.
@@tworunningbrooms I must admit, I still walk the dogs on my 'rest' day at a decent pace and distance so I am not sure I do get any rest. The brain is a funny thing though and can easily go into protection mode if it thinks you have already done enough running, meaning you have failed before you even start that long 26.2 miles its anticipating!
Forgot to add, you videos are now looking a lot better now they are in full HD ;)
You made exactly the right call John. Especially hiding from Dawn. But seriously, you could have done yourself some damage there (both physically and psychologically) by trying to finish.
You say that things felt fine until after the 10K mark when you hit an incline and a bit of wind (the meteorological sort) and things began to feel not quite right. To me, this indicates the possibility of an underlying bug, which might reveal itself more in the coming weeks. Tapering can often hide these little buggers.
Sore quads and knee pain are definitely an indication that things are more than not quite right, especially at that stage of the race. Perhaps more regular strength and conditioning work is needed to address these issues.
Perhaps try running to time and feel rather than distance and pace for long runs. Put that fancy watch in the drawer on a Sunday and put on that old Casio. Build up those mitochondria!
Try giving those legs time to recover by having at least one day a week of a non-weight bearing aerobic session. A static bike in the garage works for me! Also helps with the leg speed.
Anyway, best of luck for the future. Only a temporary setback I’m sure.
All great points. Feel fine so far and HR nearly back to normal range on easy runs.
I do regular S&C and it's been enough to stave off the woeful run of injuries I've had since 2018. However I'd like to see it actually make me strong am bullet proof for racing, not just racking up training weeks.
@@tworunningbrooms Racing is such a different beast to training.
Sorry to see it didn’t go to plan John.
Few thoughts: I always think people running marathons for charities always have added pressure to deliver for their sponsors.
Could the viewers you produce content for be have be causing similar pressures - are you overthinking it and start mapping out your recaps before you’ve finished.
Does running with a GoPro affect your running form.
Running as partners maybe Dawn should run her marathon one week then you run yours at a different race 1-2 weeks later.
Hope you’re both not too despondent. 👊
Hi Paul. I don't really associate the channel as creating extra pressure. Previously I've been very active on running forums and similarly didn't feel the eyes of the world on me
I know there will be good, indifferent and bad races. All will be documented here.
I didn't take a GoPro just a tiny Insta 360 not in its case. Just a few grammes.
I think there was some deficiency somewhere. Will try and get to the bottom of it.
It's a shame it didn't work out on race day especially after having such a good block. I'm sure you'll put all the training to good use over the summer!
First job. That sub 20 parkrun!
Reading through all the comments so far, there's not much I can really add. I managed an October marathon with Alex in 2011. We began training in July and completed one or two 20 milers up and down the TPT. Eyam half in May and Isle of Axeholme in the September were the only two long races I entered that year.. I was on a real low from work related issues. I finished the marathon, turning the anger and negativity into a positive by running all 26.2 miles. Didn't want the b*ggers to grind me down. I know the pair of you will bounce back and I might see you from time to time on the TPT. Keep on keeping on.
Thanks Steve for those kind words. Now if we could get Alex back into marathon shape.. 🙂
@@tworunningbrooms Hoping to motivate him this spring and summer to just get out there and run.
Bad luck, John, but you've taken it with good spirits! I thought that might have been the rationale behind your decision - I thought you might have dipped into a pub though! Curious about running in RPE... Have you always done this races or is it just as you've got more experienced?
Because I preset the Coros to lap every 400m, the auto setup for the screen didn't have a HR field. The last good marathon I did, 2:42 back in 2012, was run entirely off RPE. I guess I'm lucky I've developed being able to run by RPE, HR, and pace. I was lucky it was fine weather.
@@tworunningbrooms I suppose that, ultimately, whatever the heart rate or power numbers say, it's all about how you feel on the day. Looking forward to the next one!
Hard luck John. Plenty more marathons in the sea for you. I love how strong your relationship with Dawn is and it's great to see that you two are such a solid team. You guys are the best.x
Lovely sentiments, Andy. Yes we'll be back.
Sorry to hear about your DNF. I am a novice marathoner but an engineer by profession. My thinking is that you were running out of glycogen and so your brain effectively shut you down. Things to consider: fasted state runs to improve fat utilisation and also running at a slower pace for the first few miles in a race so that the body is fully warmed up. I have an analogy with a car running with the choke out before it warms up, it uses a lot of fuel! I look forward to the film of when you smash the marathon! Best of luck.
Thanks Wayne. My own car analogy is that I have the engine of a decent family saloon but the chassis of a Trabant. Not sure the legs will cash the cheques the CV system is writing.
I maintained my heart rate which would suggest energy levels were OK. Just had very sore and achy legs too early on.
Onwards and upwards mate
Thanks. Onwards to another marsthon 4 weeks after, collapsing at the end of it!
Bad luck John - at least you didn't spend the last 8 miles destroying your legs.
Given your successful history working with John "hadd" Walsh, do you no longer do the weekly 10 mile sessions at ILTHR (I think it's "top of Zone 2" in today's language)?
We did a few of those but it's hard where we live to have appropriate and safe running routes for that sort of thing in the dark. So not as consistent as the Hadd years, no.
Still my favourite session but only something I can seem to do when marathon training. My version is 2.5 miles out and back, then repeat. Compare pace for first and second 5 miles.
@drdanthelizzyman I think as well I wanted to get to the start in one piece. Another Hadd maxim. Better 10% undertrained than 1% overtrained.
Just a thought on pacing. Your splits were very short; 400m I think? I’ve always noticed when my Garmin splits between miles there is always a lag in accurate pace of maybe 100m or more while it starts recalculating for the next split (I’m set up with average pace for the split I’m running, not live pace). This has the potential to make you regularly surge while your watch sorts its self out for the next split and with such short intervals, would happen often.
When I race HM or Marathon I set my watch up as per Sub 3 Thread (RW circa 2001); manually splitting with pace set for the average pace of the split I’m running; I think you may have been an advocate of this back then.
Another thing. We share the same stat for coming second in the same marathon -different years, obvs- both finishing behind the same person 🤣
Yeah the watch had the average pace for each split and would settle after an erratic start. It was a mental technique to try and focus in the moment rather than the miles to come. Trialled it in a parkrun 😉
Yes the last competitive marathon I mentioned was NDVM 2016. 3:12.
When I was 2nd in 2009 I got a jar of garlic mayonnaise. Mr Sharkey got a pub meal voucher for 2!
I was a spectator in 2009; sure it was the inaugural run. I was second to JS in 2016; didn’t even know he was turning up that day.
You should have kept going! Forget the time and get the 26.2 recorded and use that to kick on again otherwise you will just DNF again when the dark thoughts creep back in! No shame in not getting the time you wanted! I've failed to get my desired marathon time three times (yeah I'm gutted for a week but then I'm back in the zone for my next event) and let's be honest most people don't care about your time in the end (no one will remember if you got 3hrs or 4 or more hours).
The point was my wife was going for an England Masters qualification (which she achieved) but had she seen me run / walking to the finish she would have sacrificed her race to be with me.
I think that was the right call. Dawn would definitely have wanted to stop with you
Thanks. Next time we do different races!
Maybe its time to retire from running marathons! There is still the 5k, 10k or even half-marathon, which are all usually less problematic.
When I've conquered the distance to my satisfaction, not with it having conquered me 🙂
Oh John, I don’t know whether to hug you, laugh or punch u in the face 😂😂 ……. I’m now off to watch ur Halstead vlog ……. Hopefully I’ll want to do the former of these three things after watching that !!
Haha 😁