1. Jung = Answer to Job 2. Jung = On the Nature of Psyche 3. Owen Barfield = Savingthe Apperances 4. Patrick Harpur = The Philosopher's Secret Files 5. Thomas S. Kuhn = The Structure of Scientific Revolution 6. Andrès Ortiz-Oses = The Sense of the World 7. Noam Chomsky = Language of Mind 8. Jacques Vallée = Passport to Magonia 9. Arthur Schopenhauer = The World as Will and Representation 10. Peter Kingsley= Reality
Huge respect for mentioning Valle and his book. With Bernardo we have yet another brilliant intellectual accepting the reality of UAP and the phenomenon and the new paradigm we’re about to enter. Fascinating times ahead
I feel great affinity and a strange closeness to You Bernado. I really appreciate you and all that you do and all that you are. I never normally say this or comment on anything but Thankyou for sharing yourself and all that comes through you 🙏
Only just started watching this vid but already the WARMTH of these two men is palpable. I've noticed that about healthy-minded people--they are firm in their beliefs and practices while having warmth in their personalities. Thanks for this terrific video. Also I feel that 'Saving the Appearances' by Owen Barfield is indeed a profound and accessible survey of thought and consciousness.
Rudolf Steiner used to point out, that it is futile to try an defeat materialism, as it is simply one of a variety of viewpoints of thinking (idealism being another one). It's findings are not wrong, they just represent one of many angles. People spend too much time nailing themselves to one point of view, where they could try to move in thinking, and view an object from various positions.
Very true. But our so-called materialists only do have a half-ass job of understanding Matter. To be a true materialist is to view matter and perceive it in all its strangeness and numinosity.
Or one could say materialism is correct within its domain but is a special set within a larger set, not the totality of reality but pertaining to a spectrum or part of reality that can be accessed by material perception and material tools.
@@lindaraereneau484 I agree, this is certainly the case. And so-called Materialists look at the surface of things and think they've apprehended the essence of the Material. They cut a fruit in half and gaze inside thinking they've reached one step closer to deciphering the mystery of matter yet fail to notice that all they've revealed is yet another surface. Matter is paradoxically impenetrable and infinitely divisible.
Likewise the physicist Rovelli points out the same thing, that we don't know what matter or ideas are yet, so it is too soon to reduce the universe to one or the other and he claims that most quantum physicists take this position and that he doesn't know any of the so called Materialists that BK rallies against because it was accepted science from 150 years ago, not today.
That said, I do not approve of Bernardo's critique of Chomsky's political commentary of Ukraine/Russia - which I think Bernardo misrepesents personally. Even if you disagree with Chomsky's good reason and measured logic, to say it is abominable is to misrepresent legitimate views as extreme, which they are not. I felt a bit alienated by Bernardo in this respect. But as Bernardo will keep reading Chomsky, so I will keep watching Bernardo, despite this emotive swerve of reason.
"The Payne translation has none of that malarky". Love it. Bernardo has a wonderful command of English. I could listen to him all day. Thank you for this wonderful conversation.
This is one of the channels that gave me the courage to start my RUclips channel 6 months ago about self development. Now I have 501 subs and > 100 hours of watch time. I know it’s not comparable with others but I’m still proud I started because I’ve been learning so many lessons that I could haven’t learned without getting started in the 1st place.
They skipped the best most important book Thinking And Destiny by Harold Percival not to mention these Authors Mauro Biglino Marcel Grauile and Paul Wallis
Analytic idealism shares a lot of parallels with Advaita Vedanta. I watch lectures by Swami Sarvapriyananda and recommend them to all who are interested in this mode of thought.
Then you’d definitely love Bernardo’s chat with Swamiji :) I agree there are many parallels, Advaita is a bit more like Dual Aspect Monism but I feel it’s somewhere in-between Idealism and Dual Aspect Monism. In Advaita, Brahman is the Ultimate Reality, from which consciousness and the illusory material world both arise. Idealism says that Consciousness is the Ultimate Reality. DAM says that there is an underlying reality from where the consciousness we experience and the material world are manifested. However, in Advaita, Consciousness is more fundamental than the material world. It’s Existence-Consciousness-Bliss. Idealism is Consciousness. Dual Aspect Monism is Existence: Consciousness/Matter. So again, it’s somewhere in between 🤪
@@cashglobe The way you describe advaita as a mode of thought can't be what it really is because that is just a point of view from someone looking at it from the outside. The "outside" is more figurative because the real vantage point here is another mode of thinking. Like an intellectual filter that compares and categorizes what it sees into it's own manner of seeing. That's where we get all these isms. Where as advaita itself deals with looking at things from the "inside" and again this is speaking figuratively because the inside is your own direct and actual experience and that is above any intellectual translation or mental imagery.
I humbly say that I think you are correct on many levels . Swami Sarvapriyananda is a brilliant orator . Also for a long time I thought that quantum physics , more and more , was giving a scientific basis to advaita Vedanta . Also Idealism gives a philosophical basis to advaita . Bernardo brings all these elements together . He had a great discussion with Swami Sarvapriyananda and is due to have one with Michael James , who knows a great deal indeed about the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi ( who is/ was the embodiment of Advaita Vedanta) . ✌️🙏🕉️
Thank you very much for all the books shared! To my shame I haven't read any of them, except for Schopenhauer. He's my childhood hero after all 😊 As for Bernardo, Im as impressed with his brilliance, as confused with his view on the tragedy in Ukraine. Provided you believe in "from all things One and from One thing all" there could be no universal good or evil, where you stand is what you see. In case you believe in a free will - consequentially you believe that either side can stop the conflict in 24hrs. And if both choose not to - both are equivalently evil. In case you dont believe in a free will - you have to treat the tragedy of war as a natural disaster (human species are a part of nature after all) with no one really left to blame.
Supposing I do believe in free will, if Russia quits tomorrow then the killing stops. If Ukrainians surrender tomorrow there will be no Ukraine shortly thereafter. Putin recently tipped his cards when he said that this war isn’t about territory. Political and moral philosopher Vladimir Vexler interprets this cryptic remark to reveal Putin’s borderless vision of the Russian empire. A fascism borderless and Red as Aleksandr Dugin refers to it.
I admire BK so much. I only wish Id the intellect to understand Jung enough to benefit. Back to Bernardo he comes across as a sincere compassionate and treats everyone with respect. He comes down to the level of the listener without ever making them feel stupid. A truly humble guy whose desire is to really help others. He never shows off though he well could.
Very interesting discussion. It was pleasing to see Bernardo crediting Schopenhauer with being the most important figure within Idealism which he undoubtedly is. The World as Will and Representation is a such a seminal book and the work of a true genius. He produced the first fully fleshed out version of Idealism within mainstream Western philosophy.
Bernardo’s book on Schopenhauer is striking and has riled up traditional Schopenhauer academics (“constipated academics” indeed). For me, Schopenhauer was not just a gloss on Kant, but actually went beyond him. Schopenhauer was the complete thinker - not only the depth of his thought, but the range of his curiosity and propositions. However, I don’t agree with Bernardo’s judgment on Schopenhauer as a person but then he’s probably not read much about AS’s life. And AS had an amazing life.
@@sciagurrato1831 Yes, Kant forms the foundation of Schopenhauer's philosophy and the works of both Kant and Schopenhauer are best understood as comprising a single unified and interdependent system of philosophy. In fact, Schopenhauer urges his readers to first read Kant in order to better appreciate his own work. Another excellent and underrated secondary source on Schopenhauer is Bryan Magee's, 'The Philosophy of Schopenhauer', which I highly recommend. Like you, I disagree with the conclusions Bernardo draws regarding Schopenhauer's moral character. He certainly didn't suffer fools gladly but despite his flaws he was obviously highly attuned to suffering in the world. Sadly, and somewhat surprisingly, based on a number of comments Bernardo has made on this and various other issues, it seems he has succumbed to the woke mind virus. Apparently, even the most intelligent among us are not immune.
Woah, Jacques Vallée. Such a courageous choice. And I absolutely agree-it's the rhinoceros in the living room. The existential, technological, political, religious and academic consequences for this revelation can't be overstated. It is quite literally the most profound realization for us as a species - yet, all of academia is in total denial. Liked/subscribed.
Yeah, it is like living in bizarro world when the most important issue is just ignored. Or not even ignored, it is like they turn off their brain every time it comes up. I recently saw one physicist just answering the question about Grusch testimony with a "I don't believe we are visited by aliens" with no explanation why, and, more importantly, no explanation at all what is going on in the congress. Normally if you believe something is false you still have an interest in finding out what the implications of that belief actually is. Like, what is happening now if it is all lies, what would be the purpose? Wouldn't that be interesting to find out? It is just baffling.
Pfffft Religious???@Mauro Biglino The Naked Bible @ Thinking And Destiny by Harold Percival @The Pale Fox by Marcel Grauile OR for a Summary @ Clif high channel Kazaria video before The Cosmic Interview Parts #1 & #2 featuring Dr Lee Merrick
What a joy to listen to and see Bernardo K in his own milieu - am working my way through several of his volumes. This is a marvelous real-time, unedited and unintermediated encounter with a deep thinker and original polymath of our time. At university, I took Philosophy 101 taught by Thomas Nagel - I was lost (despite many funny moments in his lectures) and dropped out after a month. In my old age, I’ve been reading Nagel selectively. The bat essay had not yet appeared when I was in the course, but it is quite fascinating to read now.
Bernardo, thank you for your support of Ukraine. I am Russian and I am deeply ashamed of what my country is doing. In the first weeks of this war, I cried a lot, I couldn't sleep. I protested against the war until they started imprisoning those who protest. Ukraine is fighting not only for its own democracy, but also for the possibility of democracy in Russia.
You are, unfortunately, being de deceived, like a lot of good intentioned people, Ukraine, not very smart and greedy president, is been used and continue this nonsense, mostly for getting usa military money and from the big financial corporations best interests And this has been going for decades My family and many of my friends are Russian immigrants, I have been listening the older and educated of them; and changed my mind a lot In this sad story ordinary people suffer from both sides; and the very few, those who we don’t even know their names; get more power Thanks 🙏🏻 to Bernardo and his recommendations and great work.
Spoiler alert: the above 2 accounts are BOTH Russian and meant to sow more dissent (than we already have) in the western world. Just a PSA for those not aware. On topic. Another fantastic video, Essentia.
I am so happy to discover your channel and watch videos like this, tones of inspiration and long reading lists awaits ! :) Thank you guys for your great work !
Wonderful. I actually discovered Bernardo through Patrick Harpur. Some googling one day led me from Harpur to 'Meaning in Absurdity,' which is one of the most important books I've ever read. Both writers helped to soothe my soul, if only a little bit. But that's more than most. I'm very grateful.
It is the tenth book on the list, but I am seriously thinking about reading it soon. It sounds truly intriguing. Would you say that it is a good book for someone who knows a little bit about philosophy but is far from an expert?
@@craigbowers4016 Yes, it's accessible. It's also a lot of fun as it reads like a mystery. The text is intertwined with a pre-socratic poem that puts its finger on something that feels intuitively true.
Beyond these great points, the reader can use Reality as a guide to rediscovering some extraordinary exercises in consciousness that were practiced by Parmenides and Empedocles. This is difficult to describe in any western frame of reference without co-opting terms like yoga or shamanism. These exercises are extremely powerful and life changing once you get the hang of them.
Oh, only halfway through this video and it is already saved on my "Best of BK" playlist. I am laughing in part because I got "into" BK and idealism seriously about a year ago and have been struggling to decide what books I should read to fully understand idealism. (If any of you have suggestions for good books to read for somebody who is still a "beginner" please feel free to lmk! I've read all of BK's books and am trying to get started with getting a better comprehension of idealism's history and growth. Thanks!)
I just finished Jung's "Answer to Job" and have to confess, that while I found it quite interesting I was sometimes catching myself wondering how the topics discussed were going to be connected to idealism and materialism. I am still quite a novice at all of this, so I am looking forward to a video covering these books. I truly do want to study and explore this and by this I don't just mean an "Idealism for Dummies" 5 minute little article. I am looking forward to just thinking. (And like I mentioned before, if any of you have any suggestions for books/articles to read to learn more about idealism/philosophy please share. The next book on my list to read is "Idealism: The History of a Philosophy" by Jeremy Dunham, Iain Hamilton Grant, and Sean Watson. This book seems like one that may prepare me to start reading more actual philosophers. Okay, I'll stop ranting on a YT page! LoL)
@@craigbowers4016One cannot believe folks who had zero idea to the nature to God like Jung @Thinking And Destiny by Harold Percival @ The Naked Bible by Mauro Biglino @ The 5Th Kind channel Author Paul Wallis The Conspiracy of Eden @ The Pale Fox by Marcel Grauile the Nommo created US before the Anunnaki/Elohim enslaved US.
@@josephdebri8941 Thank you! I just looked into it a bit on GoodReads and it is definitely going onto my list. Ah! There are so many interesting things to explore, I wish I could simply retire and sit in my bed or--as I am right now--coffee house and read or study (which includes listening to videos like this) for the rest of my life. Okay, back to reading Schopenhauer's "The World as Will and Representation". I'm about 200 pages in and I have to say that while I probably only understand half of it, I am truly fascinated by it.
I have all these books and because like Jung I have a strong interest in Gnosticism my recommendation would be The Exegesis of Philip K Dick the American Sci-fi writer whose books were so good several were turned into Hollywood movies. Phil states in this book that he like Jung was a Gnostic. Two questions dominated Phil's thoughts throughout his life, What does it mean to be human and what is the true nature of reality! At a famous press conference in France in 1977 Phil talked about retrocausation, the future influencing the past, and claimed he had lived the future in an Ouspensky time loop and 13 years before Nick Bostrom claimed, we were in a simulation.
Carlos Castaneda also made the distinction between the described, language-dependant world and the non-described world in his Don Juan books. He called them _Tonal_ and _Nagual_ . It’s similar to Schopenhauer’s world as representation and will. I’d love to hear Bernardo’s thoughts about Castaneda’s work.
so true.. it makes me think of when i was learning a new language & living in Europe. the language was backwards to english line construct - so you had to actually change the way you think of communicating things logically.. very weird & ace. after a year abroad I felt it was rewiring my brain lol .. then u consider meaning without words as definition.. they say people who take silence vows stop thinking in words
"Very important things happen in 1974…" one of them was the Revolution of April, 25 in Portugal. A new politic and social paradigm was born there. Thanks for sharing this books and talk.
Speaking of synchronicity, I watched this video a couple of months ago. I was very interested in "Structure of the Scientific Revolution", a week later, I met a new friend and she was "raving" about this very book! She studied it in a Philosophy class. Her professor was my daughter's mother-in-law. This is a university town of 100k. The book is quite obscure, and the class was 20+ years ago. Carl J. would approve.
I listened to all of this. Was already aware I knew very little about not a lot beforehand. Deeply reinforced that notion! Very interesting. Thank you.
wow cool to see passport to magonia on that list! the only one i have read of them. it had a deep impact on me as well. when i first heard of this book i thought it sounded absolutely loopy but boy did i do a 180 after educating myself more and reading it.
Thank you both Hans and Bernardo for this beautiful, enriching talk. Seeing the last 3 months many of Bernardo interviews on many different platforms, which i also value very very high, i found some pattern in his approach to eastern philosophies similar to that of Jung. There was some resistance of Jung towards the eastern approach mentioned by Heinrich Zimmer who wished he would have visited the great Maharishi in Tiruvanamalai on his trip through India. But Jung did not go there and if i remember properly he told him, what i could find there…“ There is no village or country road where that broad-branched tree cannot be found in whose shade the ego struggles for its own abolition, drowning the world of multiplicity in the All and All-Oneness of Universal Being“ It is obvious an excuse which Zimmer really hit. I think Jung felt that going there he could not have gone on with his western approach of thinking or giving birth his alchemistic ideas with which he was pregnant at that time. He felt that he was not ready or did not want a short cut and he would have been stigmatised as running to a Guru which would have ruined his whole work. Although Bernardo is having deep knowledge of eastern traditions and is having even Nisargattas I am That on his book shelf, very very often he says people pursuing eastern paths want to escape suffering. This maybe a reason in orthodox introductions of Vedanta,/ advaita vedanta, but really none, really none of the known personalities like Nisargadatta, Vivekananda , Ramakrishna, Jogananda, Ramana and many other western seekers verbalised ever that escapism was ever there goal, it was always finding god, experiencing god. The same with real Christian followers. They want to be in the holy Spirit and nobody aspires suffering as end in itself. Of course due to the dramatic life of Jesus, and the many writings about suffering it got a tool, a stepping stone towards god which was valued very much in western traditions. Please go on! Best regards from Vienna !!! Forgive my amateurish thoughts.
Coming from an Eastern background, I cannot imagine a way which (psychological) suffering is THE way to god. My limited knowledge of Western thoughts reconciles with this is this: the path to god is a sacrificial path, if suffering comes along the way then it is ok to suffer (not that you HAVE to suffer in order to get to god). Wonder your thoughts on it?
In regards to the fine tuning problem, I would check out Tom Campbell's explanation ( which does not involve parallel universes ), it's the best one I've heard so far. In short, this is a simulation which was run and tested many times , most of which failed because the initial conditions were not right. It was started again, maybe thousands of times, each time tweaking a certain function until it found the right balance of physical laws that worked . That's why this virtual reality we call the physical universe appears to be fine tuned, because it was. No big problem if you follow MBT !
I was assigned Barfield for a History of Science course in uni, and Kuhn the following year - same Prof included Castaneda and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, the latter being the topic for our term paper. (But I'd already read Pirsig a decade prior as a teenager, which is when it changed my life - and WHY I was in that course taught by Morris Berman, who wrote The Reenchantment of the World :)
Excellent discussion, but I felt that Hans missed a key opportunity. When BK stated that ufo disclosure would happen in the next few years, the question would be: “Does this prediction arise from your understanding of idealism, or are you privy to insider information?” Or at the very least: “What makes you say that with such confidence?” It struck me as an unusual statement coming from BK. Not because of the ufo reference, but because he was making a specific prediction about the future based on nothing he had said up to that point. It seemed out of character for him. I sensed BK wanted a follow up question, but the topic made Hans uncomfortable.
Indeed, I was a bit unprepared for this one:) and didn't want to go to deep into a rabbit hole during our conversation, but from a journalistic point of view I should have pushed on... So WILL follow up on this with Bernardo in our next sit down conversation. Thanks for this honest feedback, it's helpful!!
Another thing to add, sadly the fist part of this chat (the first video, not this one) which was filmed on the same day, is now littered with advertisements which makes it unwatchable. Not one or two they are happening every 6 mins (in the Uk), you probably are not aware of this. Thanks once again, this is such a beautiful channel…
Great interview. I already don't believe in the physical universe but discovered Kastrup after arriving at this conclusion. That seems to be a thing, LOL. I think we are a single electron existing within an older, homogenous, Universe I call Tao. The electrons bond together, since they no longer become matter, and a frequency is created. We are particles within that common frequency. If so, then each electron might be playing out every conceivable possibility from a unique action which spawned it. Like ripples from a stone's splash. If that's true then each electron would do the job of a string, or multiverse, and it's simpler. We know electrons exist.
This is an interesting discussion but I would like to explore with Bernardo the reason he finds the position of Chomsky on Ukraine so odious. I see the War as an extension of the American Exceptionalism Paradigm which follows the thought that America is the savior of the world and we need to move Nato to the East and do regime change in Russia. This is a dangerous idea that will kill us all.
You know that Russia invaded Ukraine, right? It wasn't USA or Ukraine that invaded Russia. Chomsky is probably just stuck in some old anti-American mindset.
@@oldman_eleven We know why. Because Russia is an immature country and culture who can't handle their loss of importance, and they are stuck in a feudal mindset which means that they can't do diplomacy without threats and/or "bribes". They seems to be unable to understand normal trade relations. Same goes for Putin, who feel humiliated because he thinks he deserve more respect than he gets. West had finally had enough of his BS with this war.
@@kulturkriget I dont like the Putin dictatorship dont get me wrong. But NATO are breaking agreements without breaking them. They have pushed and provoked. And it all works out so well for the US war machine.
Great video! It's helpful to hear Bernardo's perspective on the contents of these books. To say the least, he has a knack for explaining things well. Would love to hear more about the history of materialism. Any Essentia videos around this topic would be awesome. Apparently the hard problem of consciousness wasn't a thing before the enlightenment era? You talked about projecting the linguistic structure onto the world (e.g., thing exists outside of me). Since ontological views seem to be cultural, was there something different about language before the enlightenment? Keep up the great work!
A very compelling list and overview - thank you for this. Bernardo, I have several of your books and have seen you on New Thinking Allowed a few times. It would be awesome if you wrote a book focusing on Daimons! Please consider doing so. Cheers from Toronto, Canada
I already read these books and it is a good choices...But if you read one writer read all Owen Barfield books because they are simple to read and very deep...Kingsley book is better than any thriller then ... And moving in a unique way...It is his best book... But about linguistic nothing beat Gustave Guillaume not even Chomsky...But very hard to study for english reader... I will recommend Wolfgang Schad book about mammals a life changing book... After Goethe book about plants...
Very interesting talk, as ever Bernardo does a great job of communicating. Early on (about the 11-minute mark) he made a distinction between approaching this topic experientially or conceptually. I think this distinction is key, and is why so many maths/logic/left-brain types can be trapped in illusions when it comes to talking about consciousness. It's because they lack direct experience of all of it, that the more mystical/spiritual have. Hence they end up going around in circles. You could do another Top 10 Books list, just about the experiential side of this issue. Stuff like the Bardo Thodol, Terrence McKenna, Aleister Crowley, Dion Fortune, Israel Regardie, Rudolph Steiner.
@@spacecityryderSteiner is interesting, but those other recommendations should really come with a big fat disclaimer, because diving into things like Fortune, Crowley, and Regardie is a lot more than just exploring things experientially like McKenna did. Bernardo's warning in this video when he talked about Passport to Magonia, about how even people that chose to see reality can still be misled, should apply doubly so for those exploring these kinds of works, because they promote outright dabbling with rogue elements more powerful than yourself.
What you might forgot is that many people who you see like maths/logic/left-brain types, might have had direct experiences and all... But at some point, they came to the conclusion that these experiences are a function of their minds and that there is nothing more or nothing less to it, however profound these are. They found that this stuff in their mind will always be personal and that we also do live in a shared reality where we can verify stuff with other minds part of other bodies.... Or at least try to. I know what is possible when you dabble with stuff like Chaos Magick or Hermetiscism or the Kabbalah. Prank religions like the Discordians also found very interesting ways to fuck over their minds in an attempt to become enlightened. A few of their protagonists went to a mental institution. None of them teleported. I think all this is great to dabble with, because it shows us so much of what we are and aren't, but still nobody surpassed their humanness.
I have been feeling the pull to read Reality for a few years now, as well as the work of Corbin/Cheetham. I keep putting it off. Something tells me it will open up doors I won't be able to close again.
@@Pneumanon I confess that I felt the exact same trepidation and sense of crossing a threshold as you describe with respect to Reality. I can assure you, my life has never been the same.
Kingley’s writing has changed my life and worldview profoundly. I can deal with the guru mystique that surrounds him. His words are spellbinding like no other author I’ve read.
Very accurate your list, I personally have read Jung's entire work, but you can safely add Sara Reginella's book, Donbass la guerra fantasma, you will understand much more
I really enjoyed this discussion and I am just starting out in reading philosophy so this was great. Thank-u Essential Foundation and of course Bernardo:)
I really appreciate both Bernardo and Chomsky and somewhat surprised to hear Bernardo’s very strong condemnation of his differences with Chomsky. I am going to speculate that the key difference is in viewing Russia from a European perspective and viewing Russia from the perspective of the American Empire. It would be interesting to hear both men discuss their differences.
You should add "my big toe" by Thomas Campbell to that list. A physicist who is currently redoing the double-slit experiment, trying to prove that the diffraction pattern (or absent of it) is caused by a consciousness (non-material observation). In other words, consciousness is fundamental to reality, and the strange behavior with the double-slit experiment comes from needing an observer (consciousness) to create "data" in this world. So our "task" in this world, is to enhance the quality of our consciousness, and that is what this world is about. This is what life is. Just being, just learning, just interacting, making choices, learning from those choices, then make better choices.
Number one is right on. I agree, Answer to Job changed me too. Yet, I am surprised not to see "Le Phénomène Humain" by Teilhard de Chardin.... who i think really is one of the modern western apologists for idealism as he tried to reconcile the primacy of matter vs. "spirit" (ie. consciousness)....a contemporary of Jung though perhaps they didn't meet..... but evidently Jung read it two weeks before his death and pronounced it to be a "great work."
I read two of the 10 books already, answered your job. Truly, revolutionary. Profoundly insightful. I never thought of it this way,. The Israelis actual experience of Yahweh. If a mortal was clothed by this personality. They would be perceived as slightly sociopathic. The extravagant demands, the conch need for affirmation and worship, are all signs of a narcissistic personality or a borderline personality disorder disorder. People encountering this are often totally turned upside down.😮
Much as I admire Bernardo and am broadly with him in terms of idealism, his views on Ukraine does call into question his judgement. In the name of calling out bullshit, which he usually does so well, I suggest he reviews all sides of this conflict and sees it for what it really is.
"Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" is a classic that deserves to be taught in every high school, we are still victims of waves of mass hysteria, even more so in this social media age of instant hysteria, the Salem Witch Trials are not that long ago
Can't wait for future videos! I've tried reading Schopenhauer, I just didn't get it. Kuhn was very influential for me, thats the one book I've read in this list. I feel I'm going to be pretty skeptical about Passport to Magonia, but I will try not to pre-judge. I've tried reading Kastrup's own The Idea of the World..., but I found it pretty tough going also.
Discovered this channel recently and I am very impressed with some video's with Hans and Bernardo, so in the basis a lot of appreciation and also gratitude to both men. However, the emotion Bernardo expresses (34:30 #7 Language and Mind - Noam Chomsky) seems in line with some superficial impressions I get from his X-account: this takes away just a little of my confidence as it seems to lack the philosophical meta-perspective. Taking an ethical stance is of course needed in various contexts, but to me it feels like Bernardo's emotions are taking over concerning these subjects.
I can't remember a video that I have enjoyed so much as this one; a totally fascinating short but deep-ish dive into mind, philosophy and metaphysics. Each of these authors, each of these books purports to support Idealism, and they sure do, and they enlighten us along the way. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that the conclusion is wrong-minded (not wrong). Idealism still, like Materialism is still a label for a perspective that is incomplete. True truth is complete, whole, undivided. A Zen teacher once said that the world is not monistic, not dualistic but both and neither. Western thought will never get there, because it is so limited by the restrictions of language and logic, which I think Bernardo even admits to (to his credit) at one point. It interests me that Art and Music are never mentioned, why would they be, they are not in books, they are living embodiments of physical reality, mind, consciousness and something that transcends words. The same Zen teacher (a very famous one) also mentioned that its ok to feed the mind with words, but the truth, reality and a way-of-being that resonates with nature, does not live in books. Your new subscriber, thanks for the food ... Daniel Lawlor. (the Tao that can be stated is not the true Tao)
Not sure if we are ready to embrasse TETRAVALENT logic ( true, false, both, neither) but my humble ass agrees that the DIVINE CREATION's nature is beyond LANGUAGE and LOGIC, so UNKNOWABLE by our EGO. Peace & love
Thanks for your comment. I think these Zen master types present logical paradoxes in the form of Koans to try to show that reality is beyond language and logic as you said. Cheers.@@1sanremy
@@DanielL143 Thanx for your feedback. "Why did the sages come from the north ? because of the tree in the garden " The aim is to interrupt the rationnal thinking of the neophyte and push him in the satori's direction. My humble understanding...P&L
God is definitely infused within nature. There is no division between nature and supernature. For an excellent book on this, see David Bentley Hart’s “You Are Gods.” I would love to see a discussion between Bernardo and David Bentley Hart, who also wrote an interesting article in response to Chalmer’s book Reality Plus, called Reality Minus.
@@colquest that should also prove to be very interesting, although a discussion between Feser and David Bentley Hart would be even more interesting; but I have my suspicions that it probably won’t happen.
Hey guys I am loving your videos! True fan but can you sort out the audio post production - they need to be louder in general and sometimes one voice drowns out another
Yes, i also missed key words at times, notably the name of his recommended version of Schopenhauer. Showing the books clearly on screen helps counter this, thankyou. I struggled a little with Bernardo's accent but not because his accent was too difficult to the ear, but because the audio wasn't clear enough to be able to hrar him clearly. I don't know the first thing about audio production but i would describe it as 'it felt the mic was too far away', or 'like i was at the back of a big room & wished i'd sat closer to the front'. Whilst on my whinge box i would also say i really appreciated the language style comments such as hard/easy read, best edition etc etc, however, this was well covered for some titles but not all for others. But what a fabulous talk, thankyou. 😊👍
@@Angela-ud8lm Thanks for your reply! Yeh I guess if your not happy with the original recording theres not a lot you can do.. what I meant is the audio needs to be normalised so that it is as loud as it can be without distorting, and for some videos where one voice is significantly quieter than another, ideally the gain should be manually automated in the DAW so that the volume goes up when that person is speaking.
I love Bernard when he starts off. I don't want to be too cryptic. lol I can't eat now after that. On another note Jung and Schopenhauer have greatly inspired me and of course Kastrup.
Perhaps I'll try psychedelics to understand Bernardo's take on the Tragedy of Ukraine. Everything else he says is crystal clear to me straight, no chaser. "History is a nightmare I'm trying to wake up from." James Joyce
If rationalism, logic, reason and argument are the mental cognate of materialism, then explanations can never bring us closer to the universe of mind. Only art, ritual, and the poetic can.
I highly-highly recomend you to read all Peter Kingsley books. He is truly a genius, just like Jung. "Ancient philosophy, mystery and magic", "In the Dark places of Wisdom", "Reality", "a story waiting to pierce you", "Book of Life" and his masterpiece "CATAFALQUE". I have read all of them, and you should also try. p.s. - also try "The Dialectics of Myth" of Aleksei Losev. In this book Losev rejected dialectical materialism and proposed that myth (idea) should be treated on equal terms with physical matter.
The Story of Adam and Eve. There was this lady Eve, and she knew this fellow Adam, and they lived in a garden. The garden of Eden, a garden which covered the whole of our blue-green earth. And one day, Eve ate some fruit, and she evolved the ability of language, and her words flew through the garden like witches on broomsticks, poking Adam and telling him everything he did right, everything he did wrong, everything good, and everything evil. And so it was that Eve’s new ability allowed her words of thought, but it came at a price for language displaces instincts and so she could no longer live in the garden as did the bears and the wolves and the chickadees but now had to live upon the Earth surviving by her logic, emotions, and curiosity. Now it should be mentioned that Eve wasn’t just one woman, she was all of women, kind or otherwise, in her day’s journey of evolution, and Adam wasn’t just one man, kind or otherwise, he was all of men in his day’s journey of evolution, and a day is one-seventh of a measure of time, as in they were living in the seventh age of creation and God was resting. And we might recall that Adam was found to be naked, and that’s not to say he wasn’t adorned with a fig leaf-pattered shirt, but rather that he had lost the thick coat of fur that had once covered the human body. A coat like that which covers the bear and the wolf and the otter. And with the loss of fur, his exposed skin evolved the ability to sweat, keeping him cool and allowing him to toil upon the soil for the not-so-symbolic fruit of labor. But what of the snake, you wonder? That slithering symbol of danger to the visual mind became the hissing voice of danger to the auditory mind. A voice which, through Eve, spoke the first and most human words ever whispered. “Gossip” Attached to an old idea? Is it time for new interpretations?
In my opinion the garden of eden is earth, earth is the/an oasis in the cosmos. What is made clear in my opinion with adam and eve is that humans as a species have been placed outside nature (as a result of evolution) and are therefore forced, or destined, to create their own habitat in the oasis. That is why humans are not and never have been part of an ecosystem. What is missing is the explanation of who or what humans are as a life form, to this day we do not know. It is not so much a matter of a new interpretation, but of filling in a sheet that is still blank.
Existence is paradoxical. We live in a material world made up of smaller and smaller particles. To see something smaller requires larger and larger instruments. As above so below is an infinite mirror and we are the interface.
1. Jung = Answer to Job
2. Jung = On the Nature of Psyche
3. Owen Barfield = Savingthe Apperances
4. Patrick Harpur = The Philosopher's Secret Files
5. Thomas S. Kuhn = The Structure of Scientific Revolution
6. Andrès Ortiz-Oses = The Sense of the World
7. Noam Chomsky = Language of Mind
8. Jacques Vallée = Passport to Magonia
9. Arthur Schopenhauer = The World as Will and Representation
10. Peter Kingsley= Reality
Thank you!
Thanks, 475!
danke!
I could only find a handful of these in the states but it’s whatever
@@AdolfStalin the jung at least should findable, routledge press
Huge respect for mentioning Valle and his book. With Bernardo we have yet another brilliant intellectual accepting the reality of UAP and the phenomenon and the new paradigm we’re about to enter. Fascinating times ahead
I feel great affinity and a strange closeness to You Bernado. I really appreciate you and all that you do and all that you are. I never normally say this or comment on anything but Thankyou for sharing yourself and all that comes through you 🙏
Only just started watching this vid but already the WARMTH of these two men is palpable. I've noticed that about healthy-minded people--they are firm in their beliefs and practices while having warmth in their personalities. Thanks for this terrific video. Also I feel that 'Saving the Appearances' by Owen Barfield is indeed a profound and accessible survey of thought and consciousness.
Rudolf Steiner used to point out, that it is futile to try an defeat materialism, as it is simply one of a variety of viewpoints of thinking (idealism being another one). It's findings are not wrong, they just represent one of many angles. People spend too much time nailing themselves to one point of view, where they could try to move in thinking, and view an object from various positions.
Very true. But our so-called materialists only do have a half-ass job of understanding Matter. To be a true materialist is to view matter and perceive it in all its strangeness and numinosity.
@@abbasalchemist happy to see you here brother
Or one could say materialism is correct within its domain but is a special set within a larger set, not the totality of reality but pertaining to a spectrum or part of reality that can be accessed by material perception and material tools.
@@lindaraereneau484 I agree, this is certainly the case. And so-called Materialists look at the surface of things and think they've apprehended the essence of the Material. They cut a fruit in half and gaze inside thinking they've reached one step closer to deciphering the mystery of matter yet fail to notice that all they've revealed is yet another surface. Matter is paradoxically impenetrable and infinitely divisible.
Likewise the physicist Rovelli points out the same thing, that we don't know what matter or ideas are yet, so it is too soon to reduce the universe to one or the other and he claims that most quantum physicists take this position and that he doesn't know any of the so called Materialists that BK rallies against because it was accepted science from 150 years ago, not today.
The RUclips content of Essentia is my favourite RUclips content I have ever watched. Rocking my world.
That said, I do not approve of Bernardo's critique of Chomsky's political commentary of Ukraine/Russia - which I think Bernardo misrepesents personally. Even if you disagree with Chomsky's good reason and measured logic, to say it is abominable is to misrepresent legitimate views as extreme, which they are not. I felt a bit alienated by Bernardo in this respect. But as Bernardo will keep reading Chomsky, so I will keep watching Bernardo, despite this emotive swerve of reason.
"The Payne translation has none of that malarky".
Love it. Bernardo has a wonderful command of English. I could listen to him all day. Thank you for this wonderful conversation.
Youre welcome.
This is one of the channels that gave me the courage to start my RUclips channel 6 months ago about self development. Now I have 501 subs and > 100 hours of watch time. I know it’s not comparable with others but I’m still proud I started because I’ve been learning so many lessons that I could haven’t learned without getting started in the 1st place.
They skipped the best most important book Thinking And Destiny by Harold Percival not to mention these Authors Mauro Biglino Marcel Grauile and Paul Wallis
Analytic idealism shares a lot of parallels with Advaita Vedanta. I watch lectures by Swami Sarvapriyananda and recommend them to all who are interested in this mode of thought.
Then you’d definitely love Bernardo’s chat with Swamiji :) I agree there are many parallels, Advaita is a bit more like Dual Aspect Monism but I feel it’s somewhere in-between Idealism and Dual Aspect Monism. In Advaita, Brahman is the Ultimate Reality, from which consciousness and the illusory material world both arise. Idealism says that Consciousness is the Ultimate Reality. DAM says that there is an underlying reality from where the consciousness we experience and the material world are manifested. However, in Advaita, Consciousness is more fundamental than the material world. It’s Existence-Consciousness-Bliss. Idealism is Consciousness. Dual Aspect Monism is Existence: Consciousness/Matter. So again, it’s somewhere in between 🤪
Thanks!
@@cashglobe The way you describe advaita as a mode of thought can't be what it really is because that is just a point of view from someone looking at it from the outside. The "outside" is more figurative because the real vantage point here is another mode of thinking. Like an intellectual filter that compares and categorizes what it sees into it's own manner of seeing. That's where we get all these isms.
Where as advaita itself deals with looking at things from the "inside" and again this is speaking figuratively because the inside is your own direct and actual experience and that is above any intellectual translation or mental imagery.
Analytic idealism is closer to Yogacara Buddhism, since Vedanta is theistic and analytic idealism is not.
I humbly say that I think you are correct on many levels . Swami Sarvapriyananda is a brilliant orator . Also for a long time I thought that quantum physics , more and more , was giving a scientific basis to advaita Vedanta . Also Idealism gives a philosophical basis to advaita . Bernardo brings all these elements together . He had a great discussion with Swami Sarvapriyananda and is due to have one with Michael James , who knows a great deal indeed about the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi ( who is/ was the embodiment of Advaita Vedanta) . ✌️🙏🕉️
Thank you very much for all the books shared!
To my shame I haven't read any of them, except for Schopenhauer. He's my childhood hero after all 😊
As for Bernardo, Im as impressed with his brilliance, as confused with his view on the tragedy in Ukraine. Provided you believe in "from all things One and from One thing all" there could be no universal good or evil, where you stand is what you see.
In case you believe in a free will - consequentially you believe that either side can stop the conflict in 24hrs. And if both choose not to - both are equivalently evil.
In case you dont believe in a free will - you have to treat the tragedy of war as a natural disaster (human species are a part of nature after all) with no one really left to blame.
Supposing I do believe in free will, if Russia quits tomorrow then the killing stops. If Ukrainians surrender tomorrow there will be no Ukraine shortly thereafter.
Putin recently tipped his cards when he said that this war isn’t about territory. Political and moral philosopher Vladimir Vexler interprets this cryptic remark to reveal Putin’s borderless vision of the Russian empire. A fascism borderless and Red as Aleksandr Dugin refers to it.
I admire BK so much. I only wish Id the intellect to understand Jung enough to benefit. Back to Bernardo he comes across as a sincere compassionate and treats everyone with respect. He comes down to the level of the listener without ever making them feel stupid. A truly humble guy whose desire is to really help others. He never shows off though he well could.
Very interesting discussion. It was pleasing to see Bernardo crediting Schopenhauer with being the most important figure within Idealism which he undoubtedly is. The World as Will and Representation is a such a seminal book and the work of a true genius. He produced the first fully fleshed out version of Idealism within mainstream Western philosophy.
Bernardo’s book on Schopenhauer is striking and has riled up traditional Schopenhauer academics (“constipated academics” indeed). For me, Schopenhauer was not just a gloss on Kant, but actually went beyond him. Schopenhauer was the complete thinker - not only the depth of his thought, but the range of his curiosity and propositions.
However, I don’t agree with Bernardo’s judgment on Schopenhauer as a person but then he’s probably not read much about AS’s life. And AS had an amazing life.
@@sciagurrato1831 Yes, Kant forms the foundation of Schopenhauer's philosophy and the works of both Kant and Schopenhauer are best understood as comprising a single unified and interdependent system of philosophy. In fact, Schopenhauer urges his readers to first read Kant in order to better appreciate his own work.
Another excellent and underrated secondary source on Schopenhauer is Bryan Magee's, 'The Philosophy of Schopenhauer', which I highly recommend.
Like you, I disagree with the conclusions Bernardo draws regarding Schopenhauer's moral character. He certainly didn't suffer fools gladly but despite his flaws he was obviously highly attuned to suffering in the world.
Sadly, and somewhat surprisingly, based on a number of comments Bernardo has made on this and various other issues, it seems he has succumbed to the woke mind virus. Apparently, even the most intelligent among us are not immune.
Woah, Jacques Vallée. Such a courageous choice. And I absolutely agree-it's the rhinoceros in the living room. The existential, technological, political, religious and academic consequences for this revelation can't be overstated. It is quite literally the most profound realization for us as a species - yet, all of academia is in total denial. Liked/subscribed.
Yeah, it is like living in bizarro world when the most important issue is just ignored. Or not even ignored, it is like they turn off their brain every time it comes up. I recently saw one physicist just answering the question about Grusch testimony with a "I don't believe we are visited by aliens" with no explanation why, and, more importantly, no explanation at all what is going on in the congress. Normally if you believe something is false you still have an interest in finding out what the implications of that belief actually is. Like, what is happening now if it is all lies, what would be the purpose? Wouldn't that be interesting to find out? It is just baffling.
Pfffft Religious???@Mauro Biglino The Naked Bible @ Thinking And Destiny by Harold Percival @The Pale Fox by Marcel Grauile OR for a Summary @ Clif high channel Kazaria video before The Cosmic Interview Parts #1 & #2 featuring Dr Lee Merrick
What a joy to listen to and see Bernardo K in his own milieu - am working my way through several of his volumes. This is a marvelous real-time, unedited and unintermediated encounter with a deep thinker and original polymath of our time. At university, I took Philosophy 101 taught by Thomas Nagel - I was lost (despite many funny moments in his lectures) and dropped out after a month. In my old age, I’ve been reading Nagel selectively. The bat essay had not yet appeared when I was in the course, but it is quite fascinating to read now.
This is one of the best videos I've watched on Essentia Foundation! I'll start from Answer to Job ! Thank you so much!
A wonderful interview. Hans has been a tremendous addition for the Essentia Foundation.
Bernardo, thank you for your support of Ukraine. I am Russian and I am deeply ashamed of what my country is doing. In the first weeks of this war, I cried a lot, I couldn't sleep. I protested against the war until they started imprisoning those who protest. Ukraine is fighting not only for its own democracy, but also for the possibility of democracy in Russia.
You are, unfortunately, being de deceived, like a lot of good intentioned people, Ukraine, not very smart and greedy president, is been used and continue this nonsense, mostly for getting usa military money and from the big financial corporations best interests And this has been going for decades
My family and many of my friends are Russian immigrants, I have been listening the older and educated of them; and changed my mind a lot
In this sad story ordinary people suffer from both sides; and the very few, those who we don’t even know their names; get more power
Thanks 🙏🏻 to Bernardo and his recommendations and great work.
😂😂 Silence NATO shill. SLAVA 🇷🇺 💪 🚫 🇺🇦.
Spoiler alert: the above 2 accounts are BOTH Russian and meant to sow more dissent (than we already have) in the western world.
Just a PSA for those not aware.
On topic. Another fantastic video, Essentia.
@@gkannon77 Not even Russian dork 🤣 I’m American but that don’t mean I have to be a freakin NATO shill like the guy above me
@@Jareers-ef8hp ok. I’ll pretend to believe you. Carry on.
Wow! This was so much more than a list of books. I learned so much about the history of philosophy and many other topics. Thanks for this. Fantastic!
I am so happy to discover your channel and watch videos like this, tones of inspiration and long reading lists awaits ! :) Thank you guys for your great work !
What joy ... what pleasure to hear you two gentlemen ... so beautiful.
Marcus Mueller deserves so much more limelight 🎉
His "Law without law" was truly awe-inspiring read for me
great!!! you should do more videos like this one.
Wonderful. I actually discovered Bernardo through Patrick Harpur. Some googling one day led me from Harpur to 'Meaning in Absurdity,' which is one of the most important books I've ever read. Both writers helped to soothe my soul, if only a little bit. But that's more than most. I'm very grateful.
Glad to see Kuhn. Super underrated philosopher of science.
Underrated? Kuhn and this monograph is the first thing discussed and cited in ANY discussion of the sociology of science.
I've read "Reality" five times and am looking forward to the sixth.
It is the tenth book on the list, but I am seriously thinking about reading it soon. It sounds truly intriguing. Would you say that it is a good book for someone who knows a little bit about philosophy but is far from an expert?
@@craigbowers4016 Yes, it's accessible. It's also a lot of fun as it reads like a mystery. The text is intertwined with a pre-socratic poem that puts its finger on something that feels intuitively true.
Beyond these great points, the reader can use Reality as a guide to rediscovering some extraordinary exercises in consciousness that were practiced by Parmenides and Empedocles. This is difficult to describe in any western frame of reference without co-opting terms like yoga or shamanism.
These exercises are extremely powerful and life changing once you get the hang of them.
Read zizek
@@craigbowers4016 after reading it I've never been the same
Oh, only halfway through this video and it is already saved on my "Best of BK" playlist. I am laughing in part because I got "into" BK and idealism seriously about a year ago and have been struggling to decide what books I should read to fully understand idealism.
(If any of you have suggestions for good books to read for somebody who is still a "beginner" please feel free to lmk! I've read all of BK's books and am trying to get started with getting a better comprehension of idealism's history and growth. Thanks!)
I just finished Jung's "Answer to Job" and have to confess, that while I found it quite interesting I was sometimes catching myself wondering how the topics discussed were going to be connected to idealism and materialism. I am still quite a novice at all of this, so I am looking forward to a video covering these books. I truly do want to study and explore this and by this I don't just mean an "Idealism for Dummies" 5 minute little article. I am looking forward to just thinking.
(And like I mentioned before, if any of you have any suggestions for books/articles to read to learn more about idealism/philosophy please share. The next book on my list to read is "Idealism: The History of a Philosophy" by Jeremy Dunham, Iain Hamilton Grant, and Sean Watson. This book seems like one that may prepare me to start reading more actual philosophers. Okay, I'll stop ranting on a YT page! LoL)
@@craigbowers4016 The Supreme Doctrine by Hubert Benoit is a must read. Quite turgid, but worth the effort.
@@craigbowers4016One cannot believe folks who had zero idea to the nature to God like Jung @Thinking And Destiny by Harold Percival @ The Naked Bible by Mauro Biglino @ The 5Th Kind channel Author Paul Wallis The Conspiracy of Eden @ The Pale Fox by Marcel Grauile the Nommo created US before the Anunnaki/Elohim enslaved US.
@@josephdebri8941 Thank you! I just looked into it a bit on GoodReads and it is definitely going onto my list. Ah! There are so many interesting things to explore, I wish I could simply retire and sit in my bed or--as I am right now--coffee house and read or study (which includes listening to videos like this) for the rest of my life.
Okay, back to reading Schopenhauer's "The World as Will and Representation". I'm about 200 pages in and I have to say that while I probably only understand half of it, I am truly fascinated by it.
I have all these books and because like Jung I have a strong interest in Gnosticism my recommendation would be The Exegesis of Philip K Dick the American Sci-fi writer whose books were so good several were turned into Hollywood movies. Phil states in this book that he like Jung was a Gnostic.
Two questions dominated Phil's thoughts throughout his life, What does it mean to be human and what is the true nature of reality!
At a famous press conference in France in 1977 Phil talked about retrocausation, the future influencing the past, and claimed he had lived the future in an Ouspensky time loop and 13 years before Nick Bostrom claimed, we were in a simulation.
Remember the last published book by Dick which is a statement. But probably you just like his psychotic times in which he suffers.
@@mynamedontmind he died before finishing his last book I am a friend of Tessa his last wife.
This is priceless! Thank you, Bernardo and Hans!
What a good idea: a book club to whet our appetites or quench our thirst.
Carlos Castaneda also made the distinction between the described, language-dependant world and the non-described world in his Don Juan books. He called them _Tonal_ and _Nagual_ . It’s similar to Schopenhauer’s world as representation and will. I’d love to hear Bernardo’s thoughts about Castaneda’s work.
so true.. it makes me think of when i was learning a new language & living in Europe. the language was backwards to english line construct - so you had to actually change the way you think of communicating things logically.. very weird & ace. after a year abroad I felt it was rewiring my brain lol .. then u consider meaning without words as definition.. they say people who take silence vows stop thinking in words
"Very important things happen in 1974…" one of them was the Revolution of April, 25 in Portugal. A new politic and social paradigm was born there.
Thanks for sharing this books and talk.
Speaking of synchronicity, I watched this video a couple of months ago. I was very interested in "Structure of the Scientific Revolution", a week later, I met a new friend and she was "raving" about this very book! She studied it in a Philosophy class. Her professor was my daughter's mother-in-law. This is a university town of 100k. The book is quite obscure, and the class was 20+ years ago. Carl J. would approve.
I listened to all of this. Was already aware I knew very little about not a lot beforehand. Deeply reinforced that notion! Very interesting. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing. What a fabulous set of books. 🙂🙏🏼
wow cool to see passport to magonia on that list! the only one i have read of them. it had a deep impact on me as well. when i first heard of this book i thought it sounded absolutely loopy but boy did i do a 180 after educating myself more and reading it.
Oh guys, I love these 1 to 1 chats, ❤️🇬🇧
Thank you both Hans and Bernardo for this beautiful, enriching talk.
Seeing the last 3 months many of Bernardo interviews on many different platforms, which i also value very very high, i found some pattern in his approach to eastern philosophies similar to that of Jung. There was some resistance of Jung towards the eastern approach mentioned by Heinrich Zimmer who wished he would have visited the great Maharishi in Tiruvanamalai on his trip through India. But Jung did not go there and if i remember properly he told him, what i could find there…“ There is no village or country road where that broad-branched tree cannot be found in whose shade the ego struggles for its own abolition, drowning the world of multiplicity in the All and All-Oneness of Universal Being“ It is obvious an excuse which Zimmer really hit. I think Jung felt that going there he could not have gone on with his western approach of thinking or giving birth his alchemistic ideas with which he was pregnant at that time. He felt that he was not ready or did not want a short cut and he would have been stigmatised as running to a Guru which would have ruined his whole work. Although Bernardo is having deep knowledge of eastern traditions and is having even Nisargattas I am That on his book shelf, very very often he says people pursuing eastern paths want to escape suffering. This maybe a reason in orthodox introductions of Vedanta,/ advaita vedanta, but really none, really none of the known personalities like Nisargadatta, Vivekananda , Ramakrishna, Jogananda, Ramana and many other western seekers verbalised ever that escapism was ever there goal, it was always finding god, experiencing god. The same with real Christian followers. They want to be in the holy Spirit and nobody aspires suffering as end in itself. Of course due to the dramatic life of Jesus, and the many writings about suffering it got a tool, a stepping stone towards god which was valued very much in western traditions.
Please go on! Best regards from Vienna !!! Forgive my amateurish thoughts.
Coming from an Eastern background, I cannot imagine a way which (psychological) suffering is THE way to god. My limited knowledge of Western thoughts reconciles with this is this: the path to god is a sacrificial path, if suffering comes along the way then it is ok to suffer (not that you HAVE to suffer in order to get to god). Wonder your thoughts on it?
People search for God to escape suffering
I need a job where I can justify reading all day.
Become unemployed
In regards to the fine tuning problem, I would check out Tom Campbell's explanation ( which does not involve parallel universes ), it's the best one I've heard so far. In short, this is a simulation which was run and tested many times , most of which failed because the initial conditions were not right. It was started again, maybe thousands of times, each time tweaking a certain function until it found the right balance of physical laws that worked . That's why this virtual reality we call the physical universe appears to be fine tuned, because it was. No big problem if you follow MBT !
MBT?
Barfield was a member of The Inklings, which included CS Lewis and Tolkien, who is said to have been profoundly influenced by Barfield.
I wasn't aware of this. Thank you!
This is awesome, thanks for this insight!
I was assigned Barfield for a History of Science course in uni, and Kuhn the following year - same Prof included Castaneda and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, the latter being the topic for our term paper. (But I'd already read Pirsig a decade prior as a teenager, which is when it changed my life - and WHY I was in that course taught by Morris Berman, who wrote The Reenchantment of the World :)
What joy it would have been to share a pint with those exulted people in the Eagle and Child in Oxford .
Ok, thanks for the warning.
Another outstanding episode, thank you for all you do Bernardo and team 🙏🏻
Surprised not to see Plato on here but good list none the less. I’m going to pick up a couple of these. Also, really interested in the red book now.
Excellent discussion, but I felt that Hans missed a key opportunity. When BK stated that ufo disclosure would happen in the next few years, the question would be: “Does this prediction arise from your understanding of idealism, or are you privy to insider information?” Or at the very least: “What makes you say that with such confidence?” It struck me as an unusual statement coming from BK. Not because of the ufo reference, but because he was making a specific prediction about the future based on nothing he had said up to that point. It seemed out of character for him. I sensed BK wanted a follow up question, but the topic made Hans uncomfortable.
Indeed, I was a bit unprepared for this one:) and didn't want to go to deep into a rabbit hole during our conversation, but from a journalistic point of view I should have pushed on... So WILL follow up on this with Bernardo in our next sit down conversation. Thanks for this honest feedback, it's helpful!!
Another thing to add, sadly the fist part of this chat (the first video, not this one) which was filmed on the same day, is now littered with advertisements which makes it unwatchable. Not one or two they are happening every 6 mins (in the Uk), you probably are not aware of this. Thanks once again, this is such a beautiful channel…
this is there biznizmodel,
Thanks for letting us know! I will look into it, to see if we can turn this off!
@@essentiafoundationno problem….
It's so interesting to have a glimpse into what influenced the mind of Bernardo Kastrup.
More lightly structures conversations like this, please!
Great idea to share the roots of your ideas in books.
Thank you! 😊
34:25 physics is the syntax of nature
1:02:18 markus muller
Great interview. I already don't believe in the physical universe but discovered Kastrup after arriving at this conclusion. That seems to be a thing, LOL. I think we are a single electron existing within an older, homogenous, Universe I call Tao. The electrons bond together, since they no longer become matter, and a frequency is created. We are particles within that common frequency. If so, then each electron might be playing out every conceivable possibility from a unique action which spawned it. Like ripples from a stone's splash. If that's true then each electron would do the job of a string, or multiverse, and it's simpler. We know electrons exist.
Another great book is: "Science and Sanity" by Alfred Korzybski . An introduction to Non- Aristotelian systems and general semantics.
Hugely underrated indeed! An important part of the break & distinction between academia and early cross-disciplinary studies.
This is an interesting discussion but I would like to explore with Bernardo the reason he finds the position of Chomsky on Ukraine so odious. I see the War as an extension of the American Exceptionalism Paradigm which follows the thought that America is the savior of the world and we need to move Nato to the East and do regime change in Russia. This is a dangerous idea that will kill us all.
You know that Russia invaded Ukraine, right? It wasn't USA or Ukraine that invaded Russia.
Chomsky is probably just stuck in some old anti-American mindset.
@@kulturkrigetwhy did they invade. That is the question none of you are willing to look at.
@@oldman_eleven We know why. Because Russia is an immature country and culture who can't handle their loss of importance, and they are stuck in a feudal mindset which means that they can't do diplomacy without threats and/or "bribes". They seems to be unable to understand normal trade relations.
Same goes for Putin, who feel humiliated because he thinks he deserve more respect than he gets. West had finally had enough of his BS with this war.
@@kulturkriget I dont like the Putin dictatorship dont get me wrong. But NATO are breaking agreements without breaking them. They have pushed and provoked. And it all works out so well for the US war machine.
Love this Jung , Patrick Harpur- Daimonic Reality is also a great read.
Bernardo is one of my hero’s👍
Great video! It's helpful to hear Bernardo's perspective on the contents of these books. To say the least, he has a knack for explaining things well. Would love to hear more about the history of materialism. Any Essentia videos around this topic would be awesome. Apparently the hard problem of consciousness wasn't a thing before the enlightenment era? You talked about projecting the linguistic structure onto the world (e.g., thing exists outside of me). Since ontological views seem to be cultural, was there something different about language before the enlightenment? Keep up the great work!
A very compelling list and overview - thank you for this. Bernardo, I have several of your books and have seen you on New Thinking Allowed a few times. It would be awesome if you wrote a book focusing on Daimons! Please consider doing so. Cheers from Toronto, Canada
A book club! And a reading list!
This is exactly what I was looking for. . .
Thank you, mind!!
The book "I Am That" was missed in the list of books. Nonetheless, great pointers by Bernardo.
I already read these books and it is a good choices...But if you read one writer read all Owen Barfield books because they are simple to read and very deep...Kingsley book is better than any thriller then ... And moving in a unique way...It is his best book... But about linguistic nothing beat Gustave Guillaume not even Chomsky...But very hard to study for english reader...
I will recommend Wolfgang Schad book about mammals a life changing book... After Goethe book about plants...
Very interesting talk, as ever Bernardo does a great job of communicating. Early on (about the 11-minute mark) he made a distinction between approaching this topic experientially or conceptually. I think this distinction is key, and is why so many maths/logic/left-brain types can be trapped in illusions when it comes to talking about consciousness. It's because they lack direct experience of all of it, that the more mystical/spiritual have. Hence they end up going around in circles. You could do another Top 10 Books list, just about the experiential side of this issue. Stuff like the Bardo Thodol, Terrence McKenna, Aleister Crowley, Dion Fortune, Israel Regardie, Rudolph Steiner.
experientially or conceptually, is in its a paradigm.
I really enjoy McKenna and Steiner. Never heard of the others you listed but I'll check them out.
@@spacecityryderSteiner is interesting, but those other recommendations should really come with a big fat disclaimer, because diving into things like Fortune, Crowley, and Regardie is a lot more than just exploring things experientially like McKenna did. Bernardo's warning in this video when he talked about Passport to Magonia, about how even people that chose to see reality can still be misled, should apply doubly so for those exploring these kinds of works, because they promote outright dabbling with rogue elements more powerful than yourself.
What you might forgot is that many people who you see like maths/logic/left-brain types, might have had direct experiences and all... But at some point, they came to the conclusion that these experiences are a function of their minds and that there is nothing more or nothing less to it, however profound these are. They found that this stuff in their mind will always be personal and that we also do live in a shared reality where we can verify stuff with other minds part of other bodies.... Or at least try to.
I know what is possible when you dabble with stuff like Chaos Magick or Hermetiscism or the Kabbalah.
Prank religions like the Discordians also found very interesting ways to fuck over their minds in an attempt to become enlightened. A few of their protagonists went to a mental institution. None of them teleported.
I think all this is great to dabble with, because it shows us so much of what we are and aren't, but still nobody surpassed their humanness.
Yes Kingsley!
I hope more people read him.
Absolutely agree!
I have been feeling the pull to read Reality for a few years now, as well as the work of Corbin/Cheetham. I keep putting it off. Something tells me it will open up doors I won't be able to close again.
@@Pneumanon I confess that I felt the exact same trepidation and sense of crossing a threshold as you describe with respect to Reality. I can assure you, my life has never been the same.
just imbibed Kingsley’s latest, The Book of Life
Kingley’s writing has changed my life and worldview profoundly. I can deal with the guru mystique that surrounds him. His words are spellbinding like no other author I’ve read.
A wonderful talk. One note: The Red Book is a Magician’s grimoire.
Liber Novus is scripture.
Very accurate your list, I personally have read Jung's entire work, but you can safely add Sara Reginella's book, Donbass la guerra fantasma, you will understand much more
I really enjoyed this discussion and I am just starting out in reading philosophy so this was great. Thank-u Essential Foundation and of course Bernardo:)
What is the paragraph in "Jungs Answer to Job " that changes one's life?
Thank you. I'd love to have a guided tour through these books, or a book club with a knowlegeable leader. Is that coming? Thanks again.
Yes, I'm working on that! First book to discuss is 'Answer to Job' by Carl Gustav Jung, let me know if you have any particular questions on that book!
I really appreciate both Bernardo and Chomsky and somewhat surprised to hear Bernardo’s very strong condemnation of his differences with Chomsky. I am going to speculate that the key difference is in viewing Russia from a European perspective and viewing Russia from the perspective of the American Empire. It would be interesting to hear both men discuss their differences.
Bernardo, you're a hero too, your path is true. Thank you from a Ukrainian city under fire
You should add "my big toe" by Thomas Campbell to that list. A physicist who is currently redoing the double-slit experiment, trying to prove that the diffraction pattern (or absent of it) is caused by a consciousness (non-material observation). In other words, consciousness is fundamental to reality, and the strange behavior with the double-slit experiment comes from needing an observer (consciousness) to create "data" in this world. So our "task" in this world, is to enhance the quality of our consciousness, and that is what this world is about. This is what life is. Just being, just learning, just interacting, making choices, learning from those choices, then make better choices.
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Number one is right on. I agree, Answer to Job changed me too. Yet, I am surprised not to see "Le Phénomène Humain" by Teilhard de Chardin.... who i think really is one of the modern western apologists for idealism as he tried to reconcile the primacy of matter vs. "spirit" (ie. consciousness)....a contemporary of Jung though perhaps they didn't meet..... but evidently Jung read it two weeks before his death and pronounced it to be a "great work."
I read two of the 10 books already, answered your job. Truly, revolutionary. Profoundly insightful. I never thought of it this way,. The Israelis actual experience of Yahweh. If a mortal was clothed by this personality. They would be perceived as slightly sociopathic. The extravagant demands, the conch need for affirmation and worship, are all signs of a narcissistic personality or a borderline personality disorder disorder. People encountering this are often totally turned upside down.😮
Much as I admire Bernardo and am broadly with him in terms of idealism, his views on Ukraine does call into question his judgement. In the name of calling out bullshit, which he usually does so well, I suggest he reviews all sides of this conflict and sees it for what it really is.
"Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" is a classic that deserves to be taught in every high school, we are still victims of waves of mass hysteria, even more so in this social media age of instant hysteria, the Salem Witch Trials are not that long ago
Can't wait for future videos! I've tried reading Schopenhauer, I just didn't get it. Kuhn was very influential for me, thats the one book I've read in this list. I feel I'm going to be pretty skeptical about Passport to Magonia, but I will try not to pre-judge. I've tried reading Kastrup's own The Idea of the World..., but I found it pretty tough going also.
Discovered this channel recently and I am very impressed with some video's with Hans and Bernardo, so in the basis a lot of appreciation and also gratitude to both men. However, the emotion Bernardo expresses (34:30 #7 Language and Mind - Noam Chomsky) seems in line with some superficial impressions I get from his X-account: this takes away just a little of my confidence as it seems to lack the philosophical meta-perspective. Taking an ethical stance is of course needed in various contexts, but to me it feels like Bernardo's emotions are taking over concerning these subjects.
There are two conversations I would like to listen to before my life is gone. One is Kastrup with Wolfgang Smith and Kastrup with Vervaeke.
Kastrup & Vervaeke have had discussions on Curt Jaimungal's Theory of Everything youtube channel.
@@Pneumanon thank you very much for the info. I am a follower of TOE. Thank you again.
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Goodness, what a valuable video! Thanks very much.
Great video, I've already ordered Answer to Job and will read World as Will and Representation next
I can't remember a video that I have enjoyed so much as this one; a totally fascinating short but deep-ish dive into mind, philosophy and metaphysics. Each of these authors, each of these books purports to support Idealism, and they sure do, and they enlighten us along the way. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that the conclusion is wrong-minded (not wrong). Idealism still, like Materialism is still a label for a perspective that is incomplete. True truth is complete, whole, undivided. A Zen teacher once said that the world is not monistic, not dualistic but both and neither. Western thought will never get there, because it is so limited by the restrictions of language and logic, which I think Bernardo even admits to (to his credit) at one point. It interests me that Art and Music are never mentioned, why would they be, they are not in books, they are living embodiments of physical reality, mind, consciousness and something that transcends words. The same Zen teacher (a very famous one) also mentioned that its ok to feed the mind with words, but the truth, reality and a way-of-being that resonates with nature, does not live in books. Your new subscriber, thanks for the food ... Daniel Lawlor. (the Tao that can be stated is not the true Tao)
Not sure if we are ready to embrasse TETRAVALENT logic ( true, false, both, neither) but my humble ass agrees that the DIVINE CREATION's nature is beyond LANGUAGE and LOGIC, so UNKNOWABLE by our EGO. Peace & love
Thanks for your comment. I think these Zen master types present logical paradoxes in the form of Koans to try to show that reality is beyond language and logic as you said. Cheers.@@1sanremy
@@DanielL143 Thanx for your feedback. "Why did the sages come from the north ? because of the tree in the garden " The aim is to interrupt the rationnal thinking of the neophyte and push him in the satori's direction. My humble understanding...P&L
God is definitely infused within nature. There is no division between nature and supernature. For an excellent book on this, see David Bentley Hart’s “You Are Gods.” I would love to see a discussion between Bernardo and David Bentley Hart, who also wrote an interesting article in response to Chalmer’s book Reality Plus, called Reality Minus.
A Einstein saw the univerrse as god
I'm waiting for a discussion between Ed Feser and Bernado
@@colquest that should also prove to be very interesting, although a discussion between Feser and David Bentley Hart would be even more interesting; but I have my suspicions that it probably won’t happen.
so interesting ...
Many thanks gentlemen. There’s my reading list for next year… plus one or two others by Bernardo eg Schopenhauer (before or after reading AS?!) 🙏🏻
Hey guys I am loving your videos! True fan but can you sort out the audio post production - they need to be louder in general and sometimes one voice drowns out another
I can do it for you if you want!
Yes, i also missed key words at times, notably the name of his recommended version of Schopenhauer. Showing the books clearly on screen helps counter this, thankyou. I struggled a little with Bernardo's accent but not because his accent was too difficult to the ear, but because the audio wasn't clear enough to be able to hrar him clearly. I don't know the first thing about audio production but i would describe it as 'it felt the mic was too far away', or 'like i was at the back of a big room & wished i'd sat closer to the front'. Whilst on my whinge box i would also say i really appreciated the language style comments such as hard/easy read, best edition etc etc, however, this was well covered for some titles but not all for others. But what a fabulous talk, thankyou. 😊👍
@@Angela-ud8lm Thanks for your reply! Yeh I guess if your not happy with the original recording theres not a lot you can do.. what I meant is the audio needs to be normalised so that it is as loud as it can be without distorting, and for some videos where one voice is significantly quieter than another, ideally the gain should be manually automated in the DAW so that the volume goes up when that person is speaking.
You definitely have to read Dzogchen perspective. Both ontological and epistemology. Also Helgoland.
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
I love Bernard when he starts off. I don't want to be too cryptic. lol I can't eat now after that. On another note Jung and Schopenhauer have greatly inspired me and of course Kastrup.
Perhaps I'll try psychedelics to understand Bernardo's take on the Tragedy of Ukraine. Everything else he says is crystal clear to me straight, no chaser.
"History is a nightmare I'm trying to wake up from."
James Joyce
Perhaps I’ll take a massive dose of geritol and prune juice to try and make sense of Chomsky’s latest yammering on Putin’s war in Ukraine.
@@TobiasC-mg4zk It's not about Chomsky, wise guy... fugghedaboudit !
If rationalism, logic, reason and argument are the mental cognate of materialism, then explanations can never bring us closer to the universe of mind. Only art, ritual, and the poetic can.
All thoughts one can have are the result of and limited by materialistic interactions. That doesn't mean materialism is all there is to everything.
When you really take in the whole “will” and “representation” it truly changes how you see the world
Great talk. Great host..respectful
Great review of books, Helps one to decide what to read
I highly-highly recomend you to read all Peter Kingsley books. He is truly a genius, just like Jung.
"Ancient philosophy, mystery and magic", "In the Dark places of Wisdom", "Reality", "a story waiting to pierce you", "Book of Life" and his masterpiece "CATAFALQUE". I have read all of them, and you should also try.
p.s. - also try "The Dialectics of Myth" of Aleksei Losev. In this book Losev rejected dialectical materialism and proposed that myth (idea) should be treated on equal terms with physical matter.
The Story of Adam and Eve.
There was this lady Eve, and she knew this fellow Adam, and they lived in a garden. The garden of Eden, a garden which covered the whole of our blue-green earth.
And one day, Eve ate some fruit, and she evolved the ability of language, and her words flew through the garden like witches on broomsticks, poking Adam and telling him everything he did right, everything he did wrong, everything good, and everything evil.
And so it was that Eve’s new ability allowed her words of thought, but it came at a price for language displaces instincts and so she could no longer live in the garden as did the bears and the wolves and the chickadees but now had to live upon the Earth surviving by her logic, emotions, and curiosity.
Now it should be mentioned that Eve wasn’t just one woman, she was all of women, kind or otherwise, in her day’s journey of evolution, and Adam wasn’t just one man, kind or otherwise, he was all of men in his day’s journey of evolution, and a day is one-seventh of a measure of time, as in they were living in the seventh age of creation and God was resting.
And we might recall that Adam was found to be naked, and that’s not to say he wasn’t adorned with a fig leaf-pattered shirt, but rather that he had lost the thick coat of fur that had once covered the human body. A coat like that which covers the bear and the wolf and the otter. And with the loss of fur, his exposed skin evolved the ability to sweat, keeping him cool and allowing him to toil upon the soil for the not-so-symbolic fruit of labor.
But what of the snake, you wonder? That slithering symbol of danger to the visual mind became the hissing voice of danger to the auditory mind. A voice which, through Eve, spoke the first and most human words ever whispered. “Gossip”
Attached to an old idea? Is it time for new interpretations?
In my opinion the garden of eden is earth, earth is the/an oasis in the cosmos. What is made clear in my opinion with adam and eve is that humans as a species have been placed outside nature (as a result of evolution) and are therefore forced, or destined, to create their own habitat in the oasis. That is why humans are not and never have been part of an ecosystem. What is missing is the explanation of who or what humans are as a life form, to this day we do not know. It is not so much a matter of a new interpretation, but of filling in a sheet that is still blank.
Existence is paradoxical. We live in a material world made up of smaller and smaller particles. To see something smaller requires larger and larger instruments. As above so below is an infinite mirror and we are the interface.
We appear to live in a material world. But we don't. We live in an energetic world. Matter is energy contained in a well defined boundary.
Upanishads: The OG Idealism
Great discussion - thank you
Hans is such an adorable guy .
And I owe my mental sanity to Bernardo and this is no joke.
Heel interessant .
Patrick Harpur's book is the last one I expected to find in here. Pleasantly suprised.
Great idea! Love this