Will Gauge Blocks Wring Together In a Vacuum Chamber?
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2021
- I test out why gauge blocks wring together. I test it out in a vacuum without oil and with oil.
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I have a lot of experience working with gauge blocks in a calibration lab. We had different sets of block gauge of different "class". The class defines how perfect the gauge is, and the perfection is measured in terms of the tolerance regarding it's nominal length, but also in the flatness and roughness of the faces. The best gauges has a parallelism + flatness error combined of 0.05 microns, that is 50 nanometers. That's insane. While that is still a few orders of magnitude bigger than the Fe atom, I suppose it has to allow for millions of atom pairs between the 2 blocks to be in very close proximity. What I found is that, when clean of oil, the better blocks have better better adhesion (and sometimes much better, to the point of really struggling to take them apart, the only way was to use another block to push one of them out by sliding sideways). How much of that is because of just better vacuum and how much is because of more atom pairs being in closer contact, I don't know.
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We never, EVER use oil on Joe blocks.
Acetone, a clean sheet of printer paper and proper wringing technique (not shown) works wonders.
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Thank you
@@CraftAero ... Put the blocks at 90 degrees (like a cross) and rotate. If one or both blocks are thin (risk of bending), put them on a thicker block first.
I would love to see this scaled up to mult-Kg sized items. Would be interesting to push it. Cool viddy.
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Good idea
wouldn't the square cube law apply here? assuming the object material is the same, it would have same density, so more volume= more mass. with less surface area:volume ratio, the weight of the object (f=mg) > than the bond between those 2 objects (via wringing), so they wouldnt stick together
Machine blocks on a the bed way can do this we have to use a 50Tonne Gantry crane to get them apart.
@Deborah Ajao and electric sea metallic bonding too.
I just learned about "Gauge Block Wringing" 5 minutes before finding this video, and I must say that I'm completely fascinated by this phenomena.
Metal can sometimes instantly weld in space, if you find this video interesting, the same phenomenon has been observed in space
Same
I'm a machinist and when I was working in aerospace we used these a lot as standards for our measuring instruments. When we had time to talk to eachother, we would sometimes argue for hours about what it was that kept them together. Some would say vacuum and some would say surface tension. Nice to see someone has solved it.
I was always amazed how gauge blocks stick so well. Thank you action lab for answering our silly doubts. 😅.
These are the types of science projects that I love the most! Simple, yet interesting concepts that are experimented with scientific method, giving us a chance to learn and have fun in the same time.
and there in may lie the answer to many of the questions unanswered. I've always believed we teach too complex - like field theory against electron flow?
As i was throwing away some packaging the other day i was wondering what polystyrene looks like in a vacuum chamber.
Polystyrene/styrofoam are mainly affected by static electricity in vacuum due to their light weight/low mass not being affected by gravity much compared to their electrostatic potential afaik.
I use polystyrene blocks to displace air when I’m evacuating epoxy, makes it much quicker. It’s not an incredible vacuum but the polystyrene is completely unaffected, visually anyway.
it looks exactly the same. im guessing you mean polystyrene foam?
Could you redo the experiment and attach a gauge + spring resistance to measure the force contribution of each factor? Thanks
Great idea! I thought about that a bit too. A bit tricky in the vacuum but he can probably try to macguyver a solution!
I was about to say that ^^
It's also hard to wring in a vacuum. The correct way is to push and twist them together.
someone: actually ask me whether its air pressure, surface tension or the atomic forces keeping gauge blocks together
me: yes
Yes
Option d, of of the above
Well there’s no air in between them so I’d say it’s a vacuum
Why not both
Yes
Those blocks just remind me about my old erasers meltdown under hot weather and sticking to everything around it
Yes, all 4 forces : air pressure, oil surface tension, atomic forces ( = coulomb- and, van der Waals forces) and..... the Cassimir Effect.
I was wondering why he never mentioned the Cassimir Effect. It has just as big a role, if not bigger, than the atomic force.
I assume it's what he meant (likely by accident) by air pressure, unless I understand the effect wrong
@@minamagdy4126 When he said air pressure he meant you are making a vacuum between the metals. This means there is no outward pressure between the metal pieces, and the atmospheric pressure on the opposing face of the blocks pushes them inwards towards each other.
The Casimir effect is a completely unrelated thing to air pressure, and would work in a vacuum.
@@alansmithee419 thanks for the reminder that the Cassimir effect is more or less the quantum mechanics version of the air-pressure effect, I did misremember
I love this. I asked this same question like 11 years ago when I was in vo-tech for tool and die and I couldn't get a decent enough answer. I still wondered because it was so odd to me. Not only there was an ideas of how, there was visual representations of them.
Amazing work young man. I enjoyed your presentation as well as explanation in a manner that is easy to understand.
Dang
Non magnetic pieces of metal sticking to each other with a lot of force
This is genuinely really interesting
Ye ikr lol
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I didn't understand.. how did they stick?
@@chandrahasreddy1729 re-watch the video.
@@pumpkin8222 true.
I love how there's so many things that just keep two smooth pieces of metal together.
56 years old, and this is the first I am hearing of this! The world is just incredible.
Well done. Deep research on the subject, good experiments to back it up and good conclusion. I wonder why there aren't vacuum and the right temperature.
I just started a machinery course and we were shown gauge block wringing and I was intrigued. I assumed number 3 was the reason for the bond since the teacher said these ones were in bad shape and needed to be cleaned and polished as there were some near permanent fingerprints on them. Number 3 makes the most sense to me because we know that in a true vacuum with absolutely zero oxygen like metals can contact weld. So this wringing effect as I am making sense of it in my head is like a super small scale velcro between the molecules of the blocks.
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Great experiment! Cold welding uses the formation of molecular bonds between metal surfaces in a vacuum.
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Thank you for answering this question.
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Always wanted to get some gage blocks to try this experiment.
So is it, air pressure, surface tention of oil or atimoc forces?
TheActionLab: yes
The answer is air pressure
@@THESLlCK *yes*
"Atimoc"?
@@TheTheninjagummybear *yes*
There's some quantum weirdness happening there.
3:06 a whole new level of controlling things in a vacuum chamber and we can use this to do magic tricks. 😆🤣 lol
Hilarious i asked this question on Quora just like a couple months ago. Was wringing to do with air pressure or something else and no answer really was at all sure. This is such great timing.
Very very cool to see...
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The most important factor with the holding force is the quality of the contact surface finish. My practical experience: better finished blocks hold sufficient well without oil, less good finshed need oil! And this does not mean that the less good finished blocks are out of specs!!!
The problem with wringing with no oil is if you leave them for long periods, they will fuse together. For example, overnight. Good luck with breaking them free.
@@Jiggledance I was not aware of that fact! I never left them long time together. And we name the oil a protection oil that we apply after use of the blocks, not a "fusion" oil.
Cool Experiment!
I was about to ask you to do a Cold Welding experiment, which is similar, but not the same effect. After doing a quick search I found you already did that. :-) Way to go! Keep it up!
My brother worked for an optics company and he had two pieces of glass which were so smooth they were PERMENANTLY bonded by "wringing" them together in a bucket of soapy water.
Multi camera and telescope lenses are assembled exactly the same way. No adhesive, just perfect glass to glass contact. They will never separate without damaging both lenses.
Just learned about cold welding in a vacuum. Would be a cool experiment to do in the vacuum chamber if it hasn't been done here yet.
Love the videos, keep 'em coming. Btw, was the box of gloves as expensive as the gauge blocks? Lol. Here in 2021?
Super good video, thanks
Nice experiment , you can measure the contact resistance between them with a milliohmetre if the tow metal touches each other, and if they are separated by a thin oil film they will act as a capacitor.
Yes, I wondered if the oil improves the bond between the surfaces like a dielectric or 'magnetic core'
I think they will touch in 3 microscopic spots and be held by oil everywhere else.
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Hence, *milliohm* meter which should give you an idea of the actual contact area.
Amazing. I’d never heard of this effect.
Thanks for this! I oftentimes used kerosene and meticulous cleaning to wring them together but they never STUCK so strongly as shown here. Seems the company I worked at had little actual skill about this important aspect of the work we did!
It sounds like you were cleaning the oil off which is the strongest reason they stick together
I'd like to see this with other materials,.and also dissimilar metals for each block
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You could tether the bottom block to the chamber and then use a force gauge attached to the other to measure the strength of the attraction in each case as you pull them apart and get some quantitative data.
It would be interesting to measure how much force is needed to separate them in each condition, to see if oil is stronger, or air, or bonds.
Pls conduct double slit experiment in vacuum. Really nice videos.
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There's also ZPE (The Casimir Effect) and Cold Welding (especially problematic among Stainless Steels)!
Action lab and vacuum chamber goes hand in hand!
Maybe it should be called "Action Vacuum" or "Action Chamber". Personally I think "Vac Action Lab 4090" would sound cool.
You previously did a video on cold welding in a vacuum, could you discuss the possibilities with these, if it’s even possible because they are too smooth?
Thanx...TIL wringing...Before opening this AL notification, I thought perhaps "Wringing" meant "Ringing", as when the sound waves distributes thru the srrounding medium (air or lack therof) when two or more hard metals are impacted by each other.
This actually makes me think of blocking we have at work when we make packaging materials from HDPE .. due to the cooling temperature of the HDPE after the extrusion the layers end up sticking together (there is inner blocking where the inside of the packing material sticks together and outside blocking where the outside of the packing material sticks when coiled) , think the same thing is happening with the gauge blocks .. heat is conducted into the blocks making them expand on a microscopic scale and when you press both together and release they cool rapidly and shrink causing them to stick.
I would like to see a video explaining how a capstan assist works
Nice experiment. But I suggest tou to try cleaning the oil with some strong solvent, like acetone, and manipulate the blocks with gloves. You probably see a much stronger effect from the solid-solid adhesive forces.
I worked at a double disc grinding shop and we basically specialized in making parts flat. I would be done with some small rectangles or even really precise parallels i would be able to slap em together and they would stick to each other. Also did steel plates and when placed on a precision granite it would be impossible to lift it off the granite. Compressed air would be needed to walk the parts off the granite table.
Thank you! You just proved my point perfectly!! 😀
@@imnewtothistuff what point?
@@amanciobarragan My original, earlier comment.
Cold welds....learned that in the early days in space sending metals without rubber or plastic joints would cause a bond so they couldn't open up antenna solarpanels....etc
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I did that experiment during my metrology class at Dawson College back in 2007.
Awesome video.
I want to see numeric measurements (done with statistically significant sample size) of pull force versus air pressure, at vacuum and above atmospheric pressure, because I think it's van der Waals forces which increase with the microscopic layer of oil acting essentially as an adhesive.
You mean as a dielectric
Still is very fascinating!
I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if they were put together in a vacuum. I wonder if it's cohesion would be stronger.
Is anyone familiar with the Canadian TV series, _Black Hole High_ ? I’m pretty sure that’s where I first saw this concept, in the episode “Friction”. Though, they explained it as interlocking nanoscale bumps, or something like that.
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I think you need to heat up the blocks to make sure there is no microscopic residual water on the blocks that might help it in wringing too. It would be hard to do because I’m certain unless you were in an environment completely void of moisture, I’d imagine the humidity in the air deposits on the metal right away after heating it to dryness. There may even be a galvanic reaction between the metals (even though they are the same metal) accelerated by the moisture, which might be another reason the wringing is possible. Just a few other ideas I figured I’d throw your way even though I have no proof otherwise. Just something to consider that I haven’t ever heard anyone mention.
Edit: Spelling correction.
A video on second law of thermodynamics with
Enthalpy entropy and free energy
I've seen stainless steel cold weld to itself. It's something I have to watch out for in my industry. Stainless isn't always the best option and sometimes a bit of oil makes all the difference.
@ 0:29 this is in relation to their conjugate of magnetic permeability.
What about the Casimir effect? This might explain some of the attraction. At 10 nm of separation, conductive surfaces will exert about 14 psi or 100 kPa or 1 atmosphere of pressure against each other. I think the video said there was more space between the blocks than that, due to the oil, but there'd be some Casimir force.
Interesting
So a vacuum
@@THESLlCK An inward pressure of around 14 PSI. This pressure exists even if the plates are in a vacuum. It's a pressure in the sense that it is a force that is proportional to the perpendicular area.
this is fascinating
But I heard about another cause of wringing from another channel, that being mechanical. The imperfections on each surface lock together, which is why often to wring the guage blocks it helps, or is even necessary, to slide them together. On the atomic scale they're not flat and the surfaces kind of mesh when friction is applied.
Thoughts?
I’m so chuffed ,…..I actually got a third of this right 🥳🥳😊
about the electrons holding on to each other... there is a thing you can try its called a cold weld.... happend in our toolshop once when a guy left the blocks stuck and put them away next time we used them they where stuck so we couldnt get them appart without breaking them...😉😉😉😉😉
Not sure if it’s possible, but could you do something with the concept of superfluidity?
We tried to stick them together at work. When clean we couldn't get them to stick, but just touching the edges put enough oil on them to make them stick. So, we thought that it was just the oil doing it. The question is, when you cleaned them, were they really perfectly clean, or did they still have some minute amount of oil on them?
When they are worn out quite a bit then they don't stick together as easy as when they are new. Thats probably why thex din't stuck together
Why is there even oil on them?
@@Astromath Some people use a certain type of oil to prevent corrosion while being stored. They can also get oil from your fingers just from touching them.
@@mincraftler444 Could be. Not sure how old the ones are at work, or how well they have been handled.
I think it's love that keeps them together
I've done the same with a couple small blocks of glass before.
You can get quartz discs which are even more flat than steel. Do they have this attraction? In other words are they held together in the atmosphere like guage blocks. If so, what about in a vacuum.
I would suggest similar experiments with quartz discs and see if they attract each other. If they do try quartz and a stainless gauge block. The two certainly have different spacings of the atoms on the surface, silicon dioxide versus nickel/iron.
I believe I have played with some quartz slides that they seem to be sticky. Shipped with tissue paper between each slide.
I think it's oil viscosity. Any minute traces of oil will create a layer in between. If you want to move them apart, the layer needs to get thicker first, so oil from the edges must flow to the middle. But since the layer is so incredibly thin and the oil viscous, it requires a lot of force to flow. I think they are basically glued together with oil.
First of all what is surface tension at the atomic level and second of all ask yourself if the permittivity of the oil will enhance the electric field potentials
I thought they would be welded to each other in the vacuum
If they were rubbed to generate heat enough they would weld. Friction welding as done for rockets.
if the surfaces were freshly-machined, and subjected to pressure, they would indeed cold-weld.
@@timelsen2236 They are talking about cold welding not friction welding.
@@douglasharley2440 That is a fair point. I wonder if the 25nm is to permit space for the oxide to form. It may be that the oil minimises the thickness of the oxide and prevents the block becoming unusable whilst also preventing them from welding together.
That's what I was wondering. If they were cold welding in the vacuum part.
Could you do an experiment about air pressure.
Put a vaccumed box inside a vaccume box and see if the pressure decrease.
Put a low pressure box inside a high pressure box and see if the low pressure box become vaccumed box.
Thx for another vids
It’s called the van der waals force, which is basically at the atomic level a kind of static charge type force which is similar to when hydrogen bonds by sharing electrons weakly with surrounding slightly oppositely charged local molecular regions
#1... Electrons don't exist.
#2... If they did, hydrogen only has one electron, therefore losing it through sharing would cause it not to be hydrogen. Didn't think about that, did ya?
Anyone else remembers Veritasium's "Why Metals Spontaneously Fuse Together In Space" video from 2016?
I think it would be interesting to repeat the test with ceramic gauge blocks, they're usually a much higher quality than your "standard" accuracy gauge block (which says a lot, steel GBs are insanely accurate already) and it kind of eliminates the molecular attraction/cold welding theory of steel since ceramic can't cold weld. They're pretty expensive so I wouldn't recommend getting a set but you could buy two single blocks for a much lower price.
ceremic catridges in faucets wring together well also
how do you get all the interesting experiment ideas? it is like daily dose of internet but with science and every video is selfmade.
Would the electrical attraction force scale up with bigger size? With more surface area I would predict an increase.
Can you do an experiment where you use a higher permittivity liquid than oil to test the strength of the attraction essentially a capacitor model going on here
This was great!
Just like communism
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An old scratched up rusty set I found at a garage sale only sticks through one mechanism. Glue!
What about cold welding? I know it happens only in vacuum. But i guess vacuum actually help it more cause the atoms can get closer
Iirc a good rule of thumb is the distance between two guage block sides "wrung together" is one millionth of an inch. That's like 25.4 nanometers. Atoms vary in " size" from ~0.27nm-0.037nm so it would seem like a few atom could fit in between them. It might be a tight fit for some molecules in the air. So I'd guess the vacuum won't affect them. I remember once two flat surfaces get a certain distance or less most em radiation can't fit thru the crack. That creates an imbalance between the area outside the small area between. That seems almost like an em version of a vacuum. I forget what the effect is named. I think that would be what holds them together and maybe the two sides being worked till they both fit each as if each side had a bunch of tiny pins which slide between the bunches if tiny pins on the other side thus having twice the number if tiny pins in the same area which puts horizontal pressure on all the pins making them "stick."
Ever heard of cold welding in space? Have one for you, create a vacuum and leave the blocks together, the last effect you mentioned will actually WELD those together (remove the oil first though)
Leave them together for a long period though
If you remove the oil while inside the vacuum chamber and polish surfaces to eliminate oxidized metal will the gauge blocks weld together?
Never heard of gauge blocks before. I learned something. Lol
Yaaaay for learning something new 🤓,, didn't even know that phenomenon had a name 👍
Yes, I was surprised when he just pushed them together at the start. "Wringing" means a twisting motion.