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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
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pj: "adult conversation"
also pj: "brain box"
crapoli
oof paci hahahaha i was literally thinking the same thing when i got to that part
I WAS ON A CALL WHEN I SEEN THIS AND I STARTED CRYING AND MY FRIENDS HEARD CDUHSLIF
Hahaha same PJ same
okay but pj with painted nails is my aesthetic
I was about to say the same thing
He painted like 3 nails? Go big or go home bro. Blue looks nice though
*painted nail
Dulce Pixabaj I’m sure he painted all of his nails for pride but they prolly chipped off
Also when a person's fandom involves real people, like youtubers, the fandom needs to respect that person and remember that it is a real individual with their own emotions and not just a fictional character.
That's why I don't agree with shipping real people.
totally agree with this
Exactly!! I think some fandoms can get carried away with the idea that the people they're shipping are just characters/internet personas, when in reality they are human beings just like us
Yes! People do forget that and it kinda annoys me. Like...they are human...let them be. Like...it's okay to ship if you're not so weird and intense about it,and I ship some people and characters,but I don't force my opinions and think everyone should ship who I ship or even blurt repeatedly that I ship so-and-so,I keep it to myself y'know.
Jo Hanna Also, as long as the people fandoms are shipping are comfortable with being shipped. 🙂
I like how you correct yourself by saying you don't agree with your past self. So many people are afraid to change their opinions on things for fear of being a "flip-flopper" or hipocrite. It's nice to see someone who opennly shares that they have changed their mind on something. Keep making dope vids PJ.
Yeah! I think it's fine,y'know. We're human. We can change our minds and opinions.
I avoided watching Dan and Phil for this reason. Fast forward to this year I'm flying across the country to see them and meeting a bunch of other fans who I've been talking to on twitter
esto pesto SAME! I didn't start watching them until last year because of this very reason.
*whispers* welcome to the hell hole
i'm joking but this does happen to a lot of people
a ball of salt haha lol. I wish I had started watching than much sooner tbh. :/ I feel like I really missed out.
i mean it doesn't really matter when you join a fanbase, as long as you're chill about it, really.
ahaaa, i stopped watching them and almost cried they came to Chicago and i couldn’t go see them
*me, having been in multiple fandoms for over 10 years and not stoping, without hesitation*: “yes”
Freeman Trash I appreciate you for this comment, your name, and pfp
Martinnnnn
Oof, can I *relate*
why is this so me *cries in dan&phil, k-pop, sherlock, my chemical romance...*
I think the 'phandom' is a big example of a poorly represented fanbase. A massive group of people see them as the 'OMFG PHANDOM IS MY LIFE!!1! DONT CRY CRAFT XDXDXD' fandom and subsequently find them very annoying on twitter and tumblr. I remember when I used to be a dan and Phil viewer, phandom members on twitter were super mean. Literally if ANYONE said a bad word about dan and phil they would be attacked by the phandom. This included random people, other content creators, and other phandom members. For example; Catrific would be bullied online for simply being friends with them. I think this is so sad and unfortunately shines dan and Phil in a bad light. It really makes their fandom seem unapproachable due to a loud minority of people which is really sad and untrue.
Disclaimer
I don't watch dan and Phil anymore because my entertainment values have changed. This has nothing to do with dan and Phil I still appreciate them as people and creators. I also admire how far they have come since a began watching them 7 years ago.
Aoife Doyle I completely agree :’)
It's so true though! I don't really watch them anymore either, but when I did...holy crap. I still remember a few years ago I made a comment saying that they remind me of myself and my best friend, some random fan for whatever reason got so offended by my comment. It's not like I was comparing myself to a god or anything, I just thought their banter was so much like the banter my friend and I do.
Also I don't know. if this was true or not, but didn't Crabstickz get some hate for a while from the Phandom because he said that he wasn't really that good friends with Dan and Phil?
Oh wow.I don't remember any of this, I guess this is where being a passive fan gets into play. I luckily have only really seen the "prettier" side of the phandom, never got any rude encounters (I'm sorry to hear you did :( )
Agreed! There are so many great people in the phandom but it’s such a shame that the louder, more annoying part of it is how the entire phandom is seen.
A fandom is made up of 90% normal individuals and 10% that we don't talk about.
The 90% is quiet and keeps their opinions to themselves unless they have a really good contribution and generally just enjoy the content of the thing that the fandom is based on, while the 10% are really vocal and really stupid. Who's comments will you most likely see? I know, it's sad.
This is sadly so true :(
pj with a cigarette scares me
it is ok it was just a prop fake not real
Cloud_Visual they'll be worth something someday?? Are they not worth something now? You sound like an organ harvester 👀
Dhjshfjsjjfjd jk jk
KickThePj it still gave me a sick feeling. You're too pretty to have something like that anywhere near you.
One of your points has been passed around Tumblr for a while - there's always going to be that 10% that behaves badly, doesn't mean it's representative of the whole fandom, unfortunately the larger a fandom the larger the actual size of that 10% as well, meaning even louder noises from them, resulting in things like desth threats to the original creators for deviating from fanon expectations (/cough/ Voltron) or death threats within the fandom (/cough/ Undertale needle cookie incident /cough/) and people perceiving this as reasons to avoid the fandom and the IP. It's basically bad publicity because all actions are visible and can go viral with the advent of the internet.
When you said the thing about the death threats, I was thinking of Steven Universe
As someone who's been in fandom for decades, I can confirm that that 10% has always existed. It's just that with modern social media, we can't easily ostracize or ignore that 10% anymore.
what is the needle cookie incident?
Alycia Shedd That is interesting to think about. Fandoms have exsisted for a loooong time and have always had that bad 10 percent...
i agree, i also thought about voltron throughout this video. i am a pretty huge fan of the show and i am beyond excited for the next season, but the fandom is so toxic with their ships and their characters that it's ridiculous. at the voltron panel in SDCC, a fan basically harassed the crew about lance, and i cringed SO damn hard. sigh, its such a good show and doesn't deserve this.
I often feel embarrassed about being a fan of Dan and Phil because people might make assumptions about me that are untrue, so I love this video.
SAME people associate the phandom with being purely crazy shippers, instead of a group of people who enjoy Dan and Phil's content
Honestly, I don't think the phandom seems all that bad anymore. Well, I mean compared to the Kpop fandom anyway.
I agree 100% with this entire video. Just a quick story, I'm a fan of Marvel (movies not the comics) and there is this group of kids who I was having a conversation with about Infinity War. One of them said "The comic played out so differently" and I just innocently asked "What happened in the comic" ? And they started calling me out cause I didn't read the comics. I just wanted to have a chat about some superheroes and they were basically calling me out cause I don't know every little detail. But does that stop me from liking Marvel? No. Evem if you took the fandom away from it, Marvel movies are still pretty damn good.
Nina C. I mean MCU and comics are two different universes, you don't *have* to know what's going on in the comics to enjoy the movies... there's too damn many of them anyway, it would take a lifetime to read them all + additional media (TV shows, cartoon series, etc)
Jovis right! like im a fan of the comics but there is no way i could read every single one and i do have preferences for some writers and characters!
YES fans who think they can decide who is or isn't a real fan are so off putting for people who might be interested in something! Like dude, just be excited that someone wants to hear more about the thing you like
Eve Martin I agree.
Gatekeepers urgh
When you think about it there's three sides to every fandom: the good, the bad, and weird
NaStaria Stellar with fandoms that are based in children's cartoons there's only the third side
Jovis sometimes fandoms about people can make some really weird things too. But it is mostly in the cartoon realm
NaStaria Stellar more like : The good, the bad, and the dirty. Not just a ref but just think about it.
I'M VLR omg i thought the same
I'M VLR lol good point
fandoms can be good, they can give people a sense of worth and community. but, when there is a large group of people passionate about one thing, there can be a lot of drama and conflict and that’s when being in a fandom isn’t the best thing
i think it’s the extreme people that make fandoms bad for everyone.
people shine a light on all the negativity of a fandom w/o seeing the better side, which causes so many fanbases to be judged. but yee, there's a line that shouldn't be crossed
I do agree with all of these comments. Just because a few people do something negative, everyone thinks that it’s the entire fandom’s fault and I don’t like that. I’ve gotten some bad stuff from people for just being IN a fandom because it’s not known for the best stuff even though the community is actually pretty nice (with the right people).
Silkiana Baca very true
yep, i one hundred percent agree. especially when it comes to fandoms that have a majority of "stan twitter" culture. the amount of toxicity, hatred, and constant fighting in certain fandoms has made me not want to be a fan of them at all, even if i really do enjoy the original content and recognize that the fandom doesn't necessarily say anything about what they're fans of.
wait...
Are political parties just socially acceptable fandoms
Cardinal ohmygod best comment 😂😂
%100
Lmao
YES THEY ARE
YES
During freshman year of high school, my friends showed me a website with the rules of the internet. Rule 34 states that “if it exists, there is, has, and will be porn of it”
honestly that’s probably the most true thing i’ve read online
Except Vay Hek from Warframe...
Omg 4chan rules this is such a throwback
Pj, I've been trying to join your sweet potato fan club for months. I'm telling you I'm worthy enough.
Smoking PJ is intimidating as hell
It doesn't feel right jsjjeiqwnmmdcmruesfjsjswerueiwi
i literally had to pause the video for a second because I was like wait w h a t
I love/hate the fact that Pj had to say "please stop sending me hate for things fictional me did in a fictional story I had nothing to do with."
* Me being in the KickthePj fandom *
Okay
you are back! sorry.. I think I just saw you comment on like 5 videos I watched today
@@LemonTeri omg really lmaoo. Never thought I'd become that kinda of commenter. Sigh 😂
Nails on Fleek Pajama
pb lol I'll will make that petition.
(Lol my phone auto-corrected my PJ to Pajama)
P a j a m a
pb where do i sign
PAJAMA
I'M HOLLERING OMG
Ikr Pajama’s nails are so adorable
that's some cute nail polish :)
I can't stand being in a fandom, especially if I'm really invested in something. Which is a shame, because I'd love to talk about things, create fan art or even just look at pretty gifs... But it's never just that. There's always drama, there's always hate, there's always negativity and it just drags me down. Maybe I just need thicker skin, but every bad experience, every stupid thing I read, leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth and I'd rather not engage with a fanbase at all than let it taint my perception of the original thing.
I'm also deeply uncomfortable with real people fandoms and treating creators like fictional characters. I won't police anyone, but it always feels rude and way to personal to me, especially everything in the shipping area.
I don't think I'll ever stop creating art for the things I love or even people that inspire me, but unless a magic negativity+shipping+canonaltering filter is invented I think I need to stay in my bubble for my own sanity.
Thank you for this PJ I am part of the Dan and Phil fandom I don't ship them but I am always looked down upon because I don't ship them and that I don't read fanfics as I've had a few members say that I'm not a true fan and your point is right whenever I mention down and feel people have a Outlook of that they are cringey but they really not there two human beings making content what the fandom does is not in Dan and Phil's control and people just assume the sexualities because some people in the fandom are writing fanfiction and that's the only thing that people are looking at and content and fans aren't the same thing I don't know if this makes sense but I know I'm going to be slated in the comments I hope I'm not I'm just expressing an opinion I'm not saying it's right or wrong but that's just what I believe thank you for Reading
same.. i like watching their videos because they're funny and make me smile but shipping them feels so wrong (i actually did ship them once but fortunately i grew out of that cringy phase..)
but what annoys me most is that every time i look at the comments of their videos 95% of them are either 'omg they looked at each other for 5 milliseconds! they are so in love!!' or something like 'dan looks so hot with his new earring' instead of commenting something about the content of the video..
or even worse like this one time where dan said he'll 'put chocolate and something else in his mouth' which was clearly a joke and literally no one actually commented about the actual video which was really good and also pretty deep and personal..
HM Music holy lack of punctuation😂 not to be mean though
Mr Snakey I understand :)
I did voice to text,that's why it isn't punctuated.
I always did feel a bit uncomfortable with the shipping between dan and phil as well as pj and chris (tbh this goes for all real people). 1. They're real people not characters. 2. Some of the ones doing the shipping make me feel like they're at the very least on the border of fetishising lgbtq+ people. And 3. As a queer person myself it sets off uncomfortable feelings of alarm when fans insist they're of a sexuality when the person's not come out with that info or specifically clearly avoided it. Especially when the suspicions for dan being at least bi or pan are actually quite reasonable. Ofc they're not gonna feel safe coming out if they're undeed not straight when people act the way they do by them just making a joking inuendo etc.
That this issue in the dan and phil fandom is so front and center is exactly the reason as to why my interractions with the fandom is pretty much limited to "innocent" fanart. Ofc not everyone act this way. Even some "phans" dont. But an overwhelming amount actually do.
teresa i agree that people shouldn’t be looked down upon if they don’t ship them, but calling it cringey kind of ruins your point because you’re basically doing the same thing to the people who look down upon you (or anyone that doesn’t ship them).
PJ: makes an important, well though over video, that honestly everyone should watch and pay attention to, because he have some really good points which I also totally agree with.
People: NAiL PoLIsH
haha maybe they are from the nail polish fandom
@@KickThePj guilty
There’s been this movement on Tumblr (I know, but hear me out) to end cringe culture. Stating that “simply being a fan of content doesn’t make you ‘cringey’, but doing things that are considered morally wrong by most people (ex. making pedophilic fanart, making sexual fanfic of a person who explicitly said not to, bullying people in/outside the fandom, harassing creators, etc) makes you cringey”.
I 100% agree with that sentiment.
that makes sense to me! It just seems so logical haha
I know, right?
I really enjoyed this video PJ. I am coming at this from an 'anti-fandom' side, not because I think people shouldn't like what they like, but because I feel like the connotation of the word 'fandom' has changed. I think it has moved away from being a synonym for 'community' where now, just liking the thing isn't enough. It's like in fandom everyone has to have the same opinion about everything or there's gonna be 'fanwars', like if you're in the fandom you have /this/ and /that/ responsibility and you have to have /this/ opinion otherwise you're not a good fan of the show. 'Fandom' is connotating more and more homogeneity IMO, but its unrealistic that all these strangers that only have 1 favorite show in common could ever agree on certain things, and that's what creates a toxic enviornment and why it can get so ... cult-y. Like, why can't we just go back to liking it and that's it? I just avoid using the word now in general. I'd rather just say 'community'.
Hi! I just wanted to say that I wholeheartedly agree with you on the fact that the definition of "fandom" has evolved over the years. I have seen some people getting bullied because they did not reach the "standards" of a certain fandom. (By the way, to me this is complete gibberish. You belong to the community as long as you like it and respect others, right? Even though respecting others should be universal.) But anyways, I know this whole comment section is talking about the Phandom but to my mind, it definitely shows the whole spectrum of people that consider themselves a fan of something. One day, in the comments of a video in which Dan and Phil spoke about the release of their first book, someone said something along the lines of: "I wish I could buy it to support you but I can't, I am still going to watch your videos, though." Which is pretty wholesome when you think about it. The person who commented meant no harm and actually considers the creators as human beings who need a community behind their backs; although, the response they got was disgusting. And again, I am writing this from memory, but it was something similar to: "Oh yeah you can't buy their book? Then how dare you call yourself a fan then?". When sometimes you just feel like you want to share informations about your passion on the internet, there will always be people who attack you for it. It's just a shame that even when your intentions are at best, you are never far from close-minded people. I generally stay away from comment sections but I could not help but find the subject way too interesting to not leave my mark. Plus, it's usually unspoken of by content creators, which is fine, they have other things to do, we've all got a life, I get it. But it feels nice to address the issue, still.
Célia Phabre this is a really good addition, you did a great job with an example of what I meant. Thank you :)
skittykay No problem! You're welcome! And thanks for commenting in the first place!
Reminds me of the bts fandom where if you don't spend time streaming their music videos (playing them over and over to give them more views), you're called lazy and ungrateful ("it's the least we can do for them." "just pure laziness." actual comments I've gotten). No, I don't owe artists anything besides basic respect, just like everyone else. I'm sorry some people would rather actually live their lives than spend their time on people they idolize. I have school, hobbies, family, chores; I am not going to erode the little time i have on this planet with pleasing the community. Do you think the idols you follow stream videos of *their* favourite artists? No, they don't, because they know how to allot their time and spend it productively on themselves and people actually in their life, which is why they made it further than you ever have or likely will.
Sorry for that haha but this whole topic make me, uh... very passionate, let's say hehe.
I agree, that's why I just watch shows and listen to music that I love, but not join the fandoms. Im ok if I met someone who happens to like the same things as me, but only if we can have nice conversations and share different opinions. For me that's good enough, because fandoms/communities can be way too much.
Really looking forward to the next sweet potato meetup.
Im a fan of twenty one pilots and panic at the disco and it annoys me how a lot of people think what everyone that likes both bands are emo, I’m not I just like the music, not that there’s anything wrong with emos.
I complete agree with PJ😀
OrlaLFC oh thank goodness I found someone else who feels this way.
First of all I really liked how you approached this topic. You did a good job of showing both sides and managed to talk about this very controversial topic without offending anyone which is quite impressive.
I personally think it’s sad that it’s usually the “bad” part of the fandom that is the most vocal, which tends to give certain fandoms a bad reputation. An example of this is the Dan and Phil fandom or the “Phandom”. The fandom is or at least used to be known as an annoying or “intense” fandom, taking over random comment sections or spamming every single video in which Dan or Phil appear in. And even worse is the fact that it affects Dan and Phil themselves, where some youtubers choose to avoid featuring Dan and Phil because they don’t want the fandom that comes with. Even though this part of the fandom might actually be the minority, they create a bad reputation for everyone else, because they are the most vocal.
Therefore I think fandoms are both good and bad, but from the outside you might only see the bad part.
(Sorry for the possible mistakes, English isn’t my first language)
Sofie couldn't have said it better!
Thank you for putting this into words!
This was very well stated and crafted PJ. I've definitely been turned off of things because of their fans. I find that when people enjoy things together it can be great but also opens the door to lots of toxicity. That's why with most things I try to be in that middle ground. I was deep into a particular band fandom for years to the point it was mostly what I spent my time on. It was so toxic and stressful that I vowed I'd like things without being an active fandom member from then on. I do dip a bit into the wider fandom sometimes but for the most part I've managed to stay away from the drama created by fans of certain things and keep my enjoyment. Then you get into things like people who say to be a "real" fan you must watch every episode or read a creators every tweet. Why cant people just like things at levels that they are comfortable with? In any case this video has made me more interested in checking out certain things that I've been turned off of because of my outsider perception of the fans.
Another Emma! It's pretty chill up in here. Not a lot of fans but the headcanons I come up with are *great*.
Honestly there are certain fandoms that get so much hate, the Undertale fandom, and the Phandom being two of many. To be honest, if everyone respected how much work is put into something rather than just judge it from a very small portion of the fandom, we’d all be happy. Each of us have our own opinions, and I’m all for expressing them, as long as they aren’t negative. If you don’t like it, just step away.
I see PJ, I clicc
Laisa Tarannum me
Yes
I am but a simple man
"judge a piece of art on its own merits, not on the people judging the art." THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE HAS SAID THIS!
I love your nails! The colour is so nice
k so i've been fangirling over people probably ever since i was born. i've been a part of all of the fandoms that are called 'toxic' ... the undertale fandom, the dan and phil fandom, the kpop fandom... and i get what people mean. i thought about the same things too. ''i love undertale, but why.. are people doing this.. i don't want to be a part of it because of this..'' but then i realized that i genuinely like and enjoy some things. doesn't matter how the fandom is, or how mainstream it is. its something that i enjoy, and i just don't care about what people think about me being in one certain fandom. i never did the kinds of things people like to point out, so there's nothing for me to feel bad about. that's how i think. i hope some people can also understand that not all the fans are the same. its like judging all 7 billion people because of one disrespectful person. that's not how it works.
minsbuds I’m dealing with the k pop fandom issue, I literally almost missed out on kpop because of what I heard about the fandoms (especially army) and now I’m a friggen army and bts has ended up being a very inspirational,motivational group for me which helped me find a totally new music genre that has changed my perception on everything, and helped me learn about a totally different culture, it’s so weird and some people HATE that people like Kpop for some reason it’s so weird,
And yes, straykids? I Stan oOf
This video especially should be sent to people who stop liking a group like BTS just because of the vocal toxic minority of fans. The craziest thing I've realised since I became a kpop fan, is that some sports fans on Twitter are just as, or even MORE, inhumane in the things they say and do than kpop fans. That doesn't make me hate the sport. This is such a basic thing to understand about the divide between fandoms and the art being fawned over, but it's not clicking for most people.
i tried sweet potato fries for the first time like two weeks ago because of you and honestly, it changed my life
ciara welcome to the sweet potato fandom
yes join our fandom
I eat sweet potato fries with vanilla milkshake, try that out ❣️
I’m in so many fandoms though
Angelina Jones-Smith fuck yes
Angelina Jones-Smith
YASSSSS WE ARE FRIENDS NOW. Okay do you have Instagram? Snapchat? Do you live in the UK? AHHHHHH
Angelina Jones-Smith we’re still friends and google hangouts is good enough or youtube comments IDC 😂 how old are ya by the way? 😂❤️
Ok I want to be part of this relationship I'm sorry.
Holo Unicorn don’t apologise
God I completely agree with you, PJ. There's such a thing as productive fandom, but there is definitely a strongly present problem with toxic fandom. A lot of youtuber and game fandoms are this way, which is so unfortunate. Productive fandom should be the norm, not the exception.
KittyCatThang the twenty one pilots fandom was a supportive, tight-knit family when it was all people who related to the music because they struggled with anxiety and/or depression and the band really helped them...then they made it big and turned it into the massively toxic fandom that makes people hate the band.
It sucks that these days when something gets popular because it deserves to, it always feels like it's ruined for the original and casual fans because of the hard-core, toxic fans that come out of nowhere. It's hard to be completely happy for the artist/person/creator/etc. even though it's selfish to not be.
Yeah, I feel that. It's a problem when something you love becomes massively popular, and either really young people who are brand new to fandoms go overboard or people who don't have limits join in and then start gatekeeping. Like, isn't the point of being a fan to just celebrate the things you love? Why are you trying to force that thing to conform to your standards, or prventing people from loving that thing with you? That's not love, that's being possessive, and that's not okay.
I think another time when fandoms become truly negative is when members of the community begin to harm each other, not only the original artist. there is a fine line between disagreeing over whether, for example, a ship is valid, and taking that one step too far and actively attacking people. Once, a fan gave another fan who made lots of art shipping too characters cookies with needles in them, simply because they did not agree with the artists ship. Actions like these also definitely put fandoms in bad light.
ayyy super excited to watch this bad boi
i had no idea you watched his videos!!
.......
I’m one of your subscribers....
So am I! Super excited to see you here too!
//cough/leaving some positive stuff//ahem
For everyone and of course PJ: Nothing anyone says to you, thinks about you, or DOES to you, not even your current circumstances, NONE of that defines your worth. You'll always be worth a world and more and nothing can ever change that ~
....can I join the sweet potato fandom?
PSA: Not all Phandom members (Dan and Phil fans) are cringe 12 years olds... That Is all. :)
{Also I went to the Nashville Show would love to make new friends
I went to the Nashville show too! That morning I got up at 5am and went on two different planes and a 3hr drive. Most people at the show were 16+ too
I went to the Grand Prairie show in TX and honestly I loved the atmosphere a lot more Then I thought I would! There were a lot of people around my age (17/18) And no one around me was as cringey as people perceive this fandom to be. It was a lovely experience and one I will never forget.
true! I’ve found most of their viewers are actually 15+, and the cringe 12 year olds have become the mature 16 year olds that are the voice of reason. the “cringe 12 year olds” was more so applicable in the 2012-2015 era. I could be wrong though, I wasn’t really active in the fandom from 2013-17.
really nice to see a nuanced conversation about something many could find sensitive, we don’t see that a lot these days. props to you my man
I think there is always gonna be a bad section and a good section of every fandom out there
Always gonna be some extreme boiis
this is true 100%
22 years on this planet has made me a wise old boii 🙌
I hate it when people go over the top with fandoms, because then your fandom is ruined and you get hated on :(
It’s still interesting that some fandoms seem to have a lot more and/or a lot extremer versions of extrem fans doing questionable stuff...
For example: there is some Pac-Man porn out there but not nearly as much as for sonic the hedgehog...
And there are some annoying Beatles fans but you don’t hear from them that often compared to bts fans...despite the Beatles being more famous obviously
I have this problem with my parents thinking I'm a crazy fan. I am a K-Pop fan, and only know the ins and outs of my favourite group. But recently, I could be watching any individual who is Asian- RHPC, WongFu, even freaking Domics, and my parents will group them all into a non-existent category of "Nikki's Korean boys". At the start of my enjoyment, back when I only liked the one band, my sister said I was becoming a weeb, a friend laughed and mumbled "fetish" under her breath, heck, my dad was bored last night and looking up celebrities who share birthdays with us, saw a Korean rapper and asked me who he was because "he seems like someone I would know". Turns out the guy was from Seventeen, which is a group I definitely know of and enjoy, but the fact that my parents give me literal grief for enjoying foreign media, even after not caring when my sister got into anime, just annoys me, and I don't know how to make them stop.
Nerdy Diva Nikki I KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL!!! Idk why people choose to be so...so... almost rude or unaccepting on the fact that people like things from other countries.
Wow. I'm so sorry.
Nerdy Diva Nikki that is sad :'(
Nerdy Diva Nikki I get that. My family thinks I’m a crazy fan too, and they make jokes about Asian people around me just cuz they know I like Kpop. Whenever there is an Asian celebrity they automatically think I’ll know everything about them.
Nerdy Diva Nikki I mean it depends on your attitude, there's appreciation but there's also definitely fetishisation of East Asian cultures (being East Asian myself I feel the brunt of it from anime weebs the most)
However your parents grouping WongFu into that category is definitely racist, people who think all East Asians are one people grinds my gears so much, I'm sorry you have to deal with ignorance like that
This video is very well thought out and brilliant
love it when PJ takes the thoughts from my brain and makes a video
This nails are great
the most open mind of 2018 (10/10 could do brain surgery easily)
yes i sometimes do it with my eyes closed just for fun
KickThePj sounds like a fun afternoon activity
Sounds fun haha love ur comment Sequoiya & PJ
In my experience, the worst part about fandoms are the ships. I see people attacking other members of THE SAME FANDOM on a daily basis just because they ship two different characters together. At the end of the day, you both like the content as a whole, and the creators worked really hard on something that they wanted people to share and collectively enjoy. It's totally okay to ship things, or have different opinions in general about the art, as long as you're not putting other people down in the process and remember that what you do/say in a fandom affects the artist as well.
In summary: Let people enjoy what they want, be kind to one another, support the artists who make good content, and don't be put off by negative fandoms. Thanks for the thoughtful and creative video as always pj, I really liked this one!
Fandoms involving real people are really different/strange... it’s hard to tell where to draw the line in creating stuff about them (because they’re real people with feelings and opinions? Which I think is different from creating fan content about a fictional character that an artist/writer creates) It definitely plays apart in making the fans really invested in the creator’s personal lives, which I know isn’t a new thing but can still become harmful for both parties if it gets out of hand
people's friendships have been destroyed because of shipping.
totally agree with you
I do think it's kinda weird to ship real people... but to a certain point I believe it can be fine as long as it doesn't do any harm and affect the real world in a negative way. Which almost always happens with those things unfortunately. But why take away the right to dream, imagine something that's not real, I mean, I found some stuff that I've read with a pairing consisting of real-life people actually pretty good. Although oftentimes, everything _except_ the character's appearance and name is changed completely anyway, the behavior, the background...
Jovis I definitely agree! It’s amazing to see how creative people can be about people they really love, I guess it’s just a funny thing our generation is pioneering
they aren’t. they can be toxic though so
rachsidk like the drag race fandom, for example
Awkwar d u right
Honey Colak-Antic yeee I love Daniel howell
Awkwar d yea?
Awkwar d ex 2: the phandom as well
For a while, I avoided listening to bts and then, to an extent, kpop in general because of a specific few, very toxic, bts fans that had, in my mind, become the example of how all bts fans (and eventually kpop fans) acted. I've only recently explored that genre of music and I found that I like it and I was genuinely missing out bc of this mind set that the way a few toxic people act is how the music is as a whole. Fandoms are a fun and creative place but I think its very important to not base your opinions on a fandoms actions and give every form of art an equal shot despite it. (This probably doesnt make sense rip)
Sequoiya it depends who you 'surround' yourself with
It's you after all who decide who youwant to follow, who not, who you want to block, who not
I thankfully whenI became an ARMY I was warmly welcomed by other ARMYs and let me tell you you can still listen to music and not be a part of the fandom
I met so many wonderful people in the fandom even in real life
Andfor me fandoms aren't a bad thing they don't represent the whole fandom
It's just how they are as a personality and as a person
let's say someone is obsessive to the pointof stalking if they get in a fandom they'll still behave like that
Yes it's bad but they don't define the fandom no matter how many of them there are
omygosh can i repost this ? this exactly my thoughts 😲🙆
this is literally the easiest thing to understand but so many people are so quick to jump on the "i'm too lazy to actually look into this so i'm gonna see what someones negative opinion is of this and agree with them"
This is exactly how I felt too! People kept telling me how “cringe” BTS was because of their fan base, so it took me a lot longer to start listening to their music, and KPOP overall. There is such an art with Korean pop, but people often overlook it because of a small percentage of the fan base.
i'm also a bts fan, and i agree with deciding who you surround yourself with, but it is very hard when a majority of fans behave a certain way online. no matter how much you block people, blacklist words and tags, there is still a common theme in the way kpop fans behave, and it is very exhausting when being a fan of a group consists of trying desperately to block and ignore other fans.
I think shipping has really kind of ruined fandoms, like sure I do dabble in saying “those two belong together” but the whole culture of making whatever the source is only about the ship makes me kind of uncomfy. Like what if I just want to watch a show because I enjoy not cause I’m waiting on something to become canon?? You made very good points tho!!! Thanks pj
LMAOO we got exposed, everyone on wattpad was quaking when he talked about fan fiction about him
No, but cults are.
How dare you insinuate that. blasphemy.
Seumas Clark I love you 😂😂😂
Seumas Clark Oh the horror.
omfg as soon as i read cult, i thought of the clique
...is there a difference?
All of these thoughts are just so valid and so real oh my goodness. Thank you for expressing this.
i 100% agree with all of your points.
there was a video of these 2 tom holland fans were being super disrespectful to sebastian stan and anthony mackie and i was watching it with some friends and i love tom holland and marvel and the fandom but my friends were saying things like “ugh this is why i don’t watch marvel movies” and “the marvel fandom seems so bad” and i was getting so upset because these 2 impolite girls were giving a bad image to the entire fandom and i felt so bad for tom holland who was just sitting there kind of in shock. he must’ve felt so embarrassed and in that moment i was embarrassed to say that i was in the marvel and tom holland fandom.
Nataliuhh Isabel seb stan and Anthony Mackie, the actor, maybe 🤔
and what were they saying? i wonder what was their problem with these actors
Jovis ahh shoot yes you’re totally right i’m so sorry i was talking to my mom about sam wilson (the character) while i was typing and i accidentally put sam and didn’t notice ahhh i’m so embarrassed sorrry
lol another thing I personally don't like (and this is not exclusive to the Marvel fandom but quite prominent in it) is when on meetups and conventions and such w/ the actors the fans cross all boundaries when taking pictures with them and talk to them in a disrespectful manner... I just cringe every time I see it. why not take a photo like a normal person & not invade personal space, not shout something completely ridiculous... 🤦
Jovis one girl was talking about tessa (toms dog) because her friend drew her and seb asked “who’s tessa” and the girl replied “His dog oh my gosh educate yourself!” in a super disrespectful way. then anthony stepped and asked how she knew about tessa and she explained how tom posts about her online. and anthony then continued to say that him and sebastian were adults who spend their time in other ways rather than stalking tom on the internet. after that the girls continued to talk about other things and had a cringe worthy conversation with anthony. they did not ask a question like they were meant to, and anthony eventually just cut them off and moved on to someone else.
i love the whimsical feeling in your vidoes and i appreciate your work in editing and in the verbal speech .
I was convinced this was going to be a 2 second video of him just saying yes, exceeding expectations as always PJ 💯
omg that would've been AMAZING
someBODY ONCE TOLD ME
Рия Годлевская хеллю
I have to point out though, PJ, drawing sexy drawings of your favorite characters actually could be harmful if the characters are from a kids show and it is likely a young kid on the internet looking up their kid show could find some disturbing images. I'm not saying this is point against fandoms, just saying that especially sexual or violent fanart of kids media does not exist in a bubble.
skittykay THANK YOU.
Except most people who make that art post it in areas made for adults, so it's up to the parents to make sure their child can't access those sites, either through parental controls or not letting them on unsupervised.
Why is the first thing that popped up in my mind was my little pony?
This is Me because people who devise weird sexual stuff involving MLP are numerous, productive, and extremely weird? And a My Little Bondage Pony is the sort of image it's very hard to unsee.
Rules of fandoms.
1. Don't judge a fandom for one person.
2. Don't judge a person for their fandom.
3. It's not a stranger if is in the same fandom.
4. The OTP of someone is sacred.
5. Don't screw up with a big fandom or you will die.
6. Every fandom had rule 34 even if you don't expect it or want it.
7. Don't make fics with real persons... Yes, well... Obligame prro!
I love you ❤
Maribel Marquez I've read fics with only the real person's name present and their original appearance suggested, literally everything else changed into fiction. Like who they are as people, where they came from, their character, life, etc etc. I don't think that's too bad
Jovis me neither, I read fics of real persons and I love it.
Sometimes it's kinda scary because it's seems so real and I have to remind myself that it's just fiction.
😂 I think you misunderstood the last phrase, it means "make me asshole" but in Spanish because well, I'm Latin.
Maribel Marquez oh, okay :) sorry
Jovis it's ok, hey! Can I ask you something?
Of which fandom are you?
Maribel Marquez well right now I'm into marvel movies, so I just stumbled upon a work with someone from the cast as characters :)
yes
especially k-pop fandoms,twenty one pilot fans and the phandom
Hannah Yeah, i'm part of the clique and i can agree with you on that one. :) I mean, we are very overwhelming and attached to the band.
Hannah also the Superwholock fandom, thank god that trend died quickly
I'm a k-pop fan, and I'm pretty normal.
As someone who is apart of the phandom I agree, have you seen all the drama relating phil liking that tweet. It’s stupid. Why can’t we just enjoy their content without being a demon about it.
and dont even get me started on the sherlock or supernatural fandom
everyone's favourite clown is Ronald McDonald and not Wiggles? woah what
Maro Chr right? Where my Wiggles the Clown fandom at !!
marcy唯美 Wiggles the Clown fandom: the only fandom that (hopefully) isn't toxic
One thing I think should be acknowledged is Septiplier art. And recently an artist has risen again, making sexual art of them. I think if you make that kind of art about two real life ppl or maybe some fictional ppl who are real, then you should just completely stop what you're doing. And especially when those ppl have said that sexual art of them makes them uncomfortable. You shouldn't have to do that just for your enjoyment when they really don't like you doing that thing. And not just with septiplier, with any other fandom. I didn't mean to offend anyone with this, if I did sorry.
thegayestgoth nah, a famous person is still a fucking person and they have the right to feel uncomfortable about being overly sexualized by strangers. call yourself an "artist" all you want, you're just a disrespectful creep who doesn't know any boundaries
thegayestgoth No offence, but by adding your comment I feel like you're already arguing? Like, you can't just share a controversial opinion to a RUclips comment (or on any other website tbh) without having people disagree with you? Again, no offense.
Also when the art is totally not appropriate for the media it's about - I shouldn't have to be worried about my 9y/o sister finding pony porn bc grown ass men can't let little girls enjoy a cartoon in peace
Eve Martin
Agreed. I was just a casual fan of Jacksepticeye and Markiplier and at one point a few years back (when I was like 10/9) when I was addicted to mlp and I just wanted to read into the characters more but found things which j much rather wish I didn’t, or about jack and mark, stuff being recommended by them which I knew instantly was like uhh no thanks. Because Jack and Mark had both said at some point they didn’t like the way they were being sexualised etc and I knew to respect that and also the fact I didn’t particularly ship them anyway. And I didn’t want to see all that stuff but it kept popping up and it rlly annoyed me.
I know everyone is saying this but the "phandom" is an example of people going over the top crazy. Yes I am a part of the dan and Phil fandom however by saying I am apart of the fandom I mean watching their videos and following them on instagram and Twitter, I don't write fan fiction or draw extreamly inappropriate fan art and I do not "ship" them . However when I say I'm in the phandom people assume I do all of the inappropriate fan and and fan fiction and harass them about personal things because that's what the majority of the phandom is like therefore representing their fan base as crazed shippers (eventhough there is a lot that arnt) .
YES WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH A VIDEO FROM THE GODS
Aston
the vid we all need to watch tbh
most fandoms are actually really toxic which sucks :/
Sad, but kinda true... 😔
“An adult discussion”
“Cookin in mah brain box” yeah, that’s totally working out for you real great
I'm in 2 fandoms but barely engage with them because they are so intense, I'm there only for the art
you're so right omg, so many fandoms are avoided for this reason.
- dan and phil phandom (majority is really nice)
- voltron (ship wars are terrible, but again the majority is so good)
and other fandoms. this is why i don't judge a creation by it's fandom
a ball of salt twenty one pilots is a good example. The music is meant to be introspective and make people with mental illness feel less alone, but the fandom got ridiculously toxic when the group got popular.
U should paint your nails more it looks really cool
Black rainbow I'm pretty sure it's to raise awareness of sexual abuse, I looked it up and a lot of guys paint a nail for the wamens who have gone through that hard stuff. But idk maybe it's just cuz it's friggin cool.
Alimo Eskimo that’s even better
Black rainbow agreed
Black rainbow Ikr I Immediately remembered the article and I ran to look for it.
I really enjoy this type of video from PJ, while I adore his bizarrely creative ideas it’s refreshing to see him speak in a structured style. It even has little shades of quirky editing that makes it his own . Please speak on more subjects like this in the future!
i agree completely. all throughout 2013-2016 i would sometimes watch dan and phil but i would avoid their fandom completely because so many people looked down upon the fans and so many of them were presumed as annoying and cringy. i completely forgot about dan and phil all throughout 2017 and most of 2018, but in around october of 2018 i re-discovered dans channel and fell into a loophole of watching all their different videos. i ended up realizing i really, really love their content and i think they’re great people; the phandom isn’t as bad as the maybe 10% of crazy fans make it out to be. although i’m sad i missed out on two tours, their books, a lot of their videos and inside jokes, i’m glad i’ve actually given them a chance.
Treaded on that ice pop like a pro
pJ WITH PAINTED NAILS I CANNOT BREATHE I LOVE
I love the show voltron but the way some people treat the show, is absolutely insane. Threatening the producers to get canon gay ships is mental. I love the show but some people need to be reminded it’s a kids cartoon about space lions, not this dramatic love tale between Keith and lance
ohh ikr like pinterest is full of this gay voltrash
I personally loved voltron until the point in which shiro and Keith's brotherly relationship started to crumble. I thought the show had a lot of potential...so I was kind of disappointed with how it ended. However I agree that threatening produceders is wrong but I also believe that there is nothing wrong with showing LGBTQ representation in children's shows. The only representation they got was Shiro but SPOILER ALERT they killed Adam and they had Shiro marry some random guy. I agree with you completely that some fans are doing too much but I also think the writing of that show got extremely sloppy toward the end.
i think im part of the worst fandom of them all - Star Wars. i align myself with a group who chased two of the actresses off of instagram, caused the jar jar actor to have su*cidal thoughts, bullied a literal child -and so much more. but i also have to constantly remind myself that the people who did that are maybe 2% of the fandom. i wish we could all maybe realize how unimportant arguing about the ethics of space fascists is, but i also love people ive grown to know from it. i love people’s passion for these movies. so overall, fandoms can be terrific when you’re able to step back from it, and don’t let blind passion go too far. people are here because said thing makes them happy, so why bring so much negativity into it?
bella kai exactly - they're just films! I enjoyed them! If someone else doesn't enjoy them that's not anybody's fault and ultimately not that big of a deal...if you're letting jar jar binks affect your life that much you're the one with the problem
It's f*cking nuts. You like the prequels? You're deluded. You like the sequels? You're deluded. You like Jar Jar or Rey or Kylo Ren? Disgraceful. You disagree with all of the above? DISGUSTING.
I think that fandoms are fun. Yah they can be annoying but those are people’s opinions, you don’t have to pay attention to them.
Good point!
obviously you shouldnt let a fandom affect the way you view or approach something but its really hard not to. like how am i ever going to watch rick and morty without thinking of my friend recommending it to me while literally saying that if i dont like it im just not smart enough to watch it or without thinking of people absolutely losing it about a sauce. its always going to be the thing i associate with the show the most. how are you supposed to just forget about all that?
i agree with all of your points!
i am in band fandoms, more specifically kpop fandoms, and they are very.. interesting. some fans take things _way_ too far, and often i am often ashamed to be associated with them. everyone is there to support their favorite artists, and everyone can support them in different ways, but there are small sections of every fandom that always take it a little too far. like i said, i am sometimes ashamed to be associated with my fandoms, but its because of that small part that takes it too far that every non-fan associates the whole fandom with. i dont want to be seen as "weird" for supporting my faves, but, like you said in the video, we should just support them how we like.
really, the only fans that bother me are ones that bombard others with "i like this group/show/game so much!! you should like them too!!" but taking it as far as to spam it on every site they can. if someone wants to enjoy something, they should just give a simple recommendation. i guarantee if you tell someone "hey, i like this! you should check it out!" one time nicely you'll get your point across rather than being annoyingly overexcited.
another point you made that i would like to touch on is the fanart(s). i believe that fanfictions, fanart, and cosplays are wonderful! some may be more.. erotic.. than others, but there's nothing wrong with creativity and self-expression. although some people take it WAY too far, ive only read a couple fics in my life and some of the things ive read are so incredibly well written. the fanarts are amazing, and its mesmerizing just to see the creativity that some people have.
also, as seemingly innocent as quoting something you love is, it gets quite annoying after a while. really, lots and lots of fandoms i've seen have commented quotes from something they enjoy on other people's posts/videos that don't even pertain to them. its not funny nor cool, it just makes the person receiving it hate that thing/fandom more and more.
i apologize for writing a novel, but the way you touched on how fandoms are perceived was so well thought out and relatable that i just had to comment on it, haha.
The answer is yes, if you're not already to deep in the fandom run away and never look back.
Came straight from reading fanfiction. This is my life 😂
Edit: I regret nothing this video is awesome ❤
Isabel Lote
sadly..... Same XD
The painted nails at the start mY heart is non existent
The extreme phandom genuinely scares me 😂 poor dan and phil
Brighton: *Has a heatwave*
Pj: *Wears sweater*
Very educational. It reminds me of Steven Universe and its fandom. Lots of people dislike how intense the fandom is, but I think it’s still a great show with great lessons and an interesting plot.
You can say that again. Once, fans harassed ONE OF THE SHOWS CREATORS because they drew peridot and lapis in a way that was vaguely shippy. The creator then was so harassed they felt the need to quit Twitter. Disgusting, even though I adore Steven Universe as a story cartoon
the other day i was wondering if u knew u were the bad guy in almost every fanfic. sadly u know lmao
dandumplings WHY PJ OF ALL PEOPLE CHRIS SEEMS MORE UN-CINNAMON ROLL LIKE THAN HIM XD (sorry Chris)
Alimo Eskimo, that's cause Chris is. lol (Also, sorry Chris)
Very well said, will definitely show this video to a few friends. Fandoms can easily be seen as toxic because of just a few people. That throws off people from viewing the content they could genuinely enjoy. It’s important to separate the creators from the fandom, as well as the individual from a group.
This video was completely necessary. Even if fandoms seem toxic, the art will always be beautiful.
I am an active member in a lot of fandoms. I feel like the biggest problem, like you discussed, is when the lines between fiction and reality become blurred for some people. If you read or observe a piece of fiction created by someone in a fandom, it is important to remember that its not real. And you cannot let fictional things ruin something you love for you. For example, I was talking to a friend the other day about Voltron. He said that he didn't really like the show anymore because he had read so much fanfiction that he could not accept the current cannon. This is such a big problem. For anyone out there that is joining a fandom for the first time, or is starting to grow tired if a fandom just remember that a) it is your choice whether to participate in a fandom or not, do not let someone pressure you into it and b) don't let fan creations ruin the show, movie, or book for you. Create your own opinions and enjoy the content as you choose. Also don't be an asshole.
GracieMeh lol, weird how a headcanon can ruin the actual canon for you 😂 and then people start demanding creators of the original to change their version, claiming that the fans vision is better and is _the_ canon :)
We love Braj
I like the PJ vs random bloke voice differentiation, 10/10
The reason that I didn't watch Marvel and DC was my friends watched it and read the comics, others they talked to always talked about both and I didn't want to read them, there is a lot and I don't have that kind of time. You also hear this stuff about crazed fans of comics that will insult and call people fake for just liking one side of something (in this case movies) . In watching the first few movies I loved them they were hilarious and entertaining and my friends didn't care and really loved binging them with me (it took almost 2 weeks)
i love the visual of ‘internet goblin’
7:02 the darkest timeline - agreed
This is a brilliant video. I love how well articulated you’ve made the video, and how you’ve made sure not to offend anyone in doing so. Keep up the good work, your videos are amazing Peej!
This video is so professionally made and it’s so fucking pleasant to watch. The editing, the camera angles, the soundtracks, the core message, PJ being the prettiest human on earth.. In conclusion: I STAN ONE (1) MAN!!!