Bret Hart shoots on why fans boo John Cena
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Hulk-Hogan syndrome... always positive, super-strong, always wins, always champion, never really has a personality beyond the act and people see through that shit in a heartbeat. At least with the heels it rings true and feels more genuine, with the "ultra-good" babyface, the audience above a certain age level sees through that and they enjoy a more nuanced character.
See through it? Your pseudo-intellectualism only goes to prove how shallow you are. The irony is you act like wrestling babyfaces are transparent, but in reality you've only shown how transparent you really are. You're like one of the people that thinks Superman is a boring character because he's altruistic and incorruptible and that villains are more interesting characters because they can be evil.
Cena put over a lot of superstars. Agreed to lose to Taker under 3 minutes. Riley was personal, let's not jump to conclusions.
@@therighteously8454 so… liking a well acted, relatable character with shades of gray vs black and white traits makes you a pseudo intellectual? You’re not as smart as you think. I guess we gotta tell all the GoT and Steve Austin/Rock fans they are fake smart and listen here to the REAL genius here! Fuck you’re so stupid, this was fun 😄
@@Kjraider2009 That was the dumbest thing I've heard all day. If you're gonna speak, please atleast make sure noone's around to hear how dumb you sound, so you don't embarrass yourself.
@@therighteously8454 nah you sounded stupid to both yall do better for fucksake the emojis make you look more dumb nice try
Cena is a strong person. He's handled hate in a way no one else can. Reigns screams and insults the crowds, while Cena smiles and laughs at the boos. Never knew someone with such an intense knowledge of reverse psychology.... atleast, in the wrestling business, that's for sure.
Yes agree man it's sad fans reje take Cena cause he a good guy but love Roman now cause he a bad guy wrestling fans are idiots
You are obviously a fan of "The PG Era".
@@GeorgeCarlinWasAGod pg era is better than this indies era in my opinion hardys rivalry cena vs orton punk vs cena feed me more era best in the world era the yes movement era and so many things i forget
@@GeorgeCarlinWasAGod people can be fans of whatever the fuck they want who cares weirdo
Maybe I’m off the mark on this but I always felt like Cena was the “victim” of being the face of the transition back to a pg product. People by and large seemed to reject the transition back to a “family friendly” product after growing accustomed to more of the edgy content that brought about attitude era stars like Rock, Austin, etc. Maybe I’m wrong in my view but it was always how I always perceived it.
Bullshit Cena's no victim.
@@jermaineobrien6378 hence why the word victim is in quotes
@@WerdSmithAndy you said Cenas a victim I call bullshit just ask Alex Riley
The quotations marks around the word are called Scare quotes. It’s used to indicate irony, not be a literal statement. I know what you are saying; Just want to clear up that my comment wasn’t intended to mean that Cena was actually a victim.
Seems like everything is overdone nowadays to insure no one get offended in this pc culture bs. Everything scripted and phony. yea, cena was the one that was chosen to lead in that direction imo
Cena is a Vince favorite and fans know what Vince & HHH did to CM Punk. The WWE elite didn’t listen to the WWE universe
They used to listen to the fans, now the fans are unhelpful, clueless and at times destructive so it's a constant battle against them. Cena was a solid pick as the face of the company. Now nobody gets over as a face unless the fans notice Vince doesn't like him, if the the fans would stop holding wrestling hostage we could have some good days back
Not put up with Punks shit?
They Booed John waaaaay before CM Punk. People started booing him, because they hated his characters attitude and his major push. It was too positive for the people that wanted an edgy version of John. They were sick of "The Champ Is Here" and "Never Give Up".
You have to remember; it was people like Austin, Rock, HHH, Kurt Angle, and The Undertaker that all held down the fort before John. They were all well-rounded characters. Each edgy in their own way as well.
People booing John should've served Vince a lesson on how to NOT handle his talent, but I don't think he learned. Either that, or he just enjoys the corporate sponsors money too much to make his product worth watching.
KiLL WiLLv2 they started booing John in 2008
@@ChrisJProductionz summer 2005*
Cena smiled through the hate respect to him really
Bret hit the nail on the head in this interview. I've been saying a lot of the things he's saying in this interview for years, especially when it comes to Cena. Fans don't enjoy the product anymore, they just enjoy hijacking the product and railing against the norms. Normally you cheer the faces and boo the heels but everyone wants to be like a wrestling fan hipster or whatever where they just pretend to be on the fringes of the community. It just leads to a bunch of bandwagon bullshit that you still see today. If wrestling has become unwatchable it's because the modern day fans are killing it.
its not bandwagon fans its the fact cena and roman are being forced as the face of the wrestling product, fans rejected the push and yet the push was constantly being made. not to take away from Cena's hard work but the very fact Cena demanded a match and title when ever he want during his character push was ridiculous. there were better talented wrestlers who were playing second fiddle. as brett mentioned Punk and Daniel Bryan.
It also had a little to do with oversaturation of Cena around the time fans started booing him. I didn't boo him but I was annoyed at times by having Cena be in multiple segments in the shows when there was more talent backstage that might have gotten opportunities to be on TV more or in some cases at all.
I was in my teens when Cena won the title at WM 21 and I was happy for him...and within the year, he changed his gimmick and got cornier and I stopped liking him. Then got sick of him by 2007-08.
JR and Bret are 2 of the smartest minds to ever be in the business, but they're not infallible. It's wild to me that they don't understand that a huge portion of fans have legitimate gripes with Cena as a performer, his character, and his push.
Yeah like... John Cena acted like a heel. He came out and cut promos about how he was full of hustle, loyalty, and respect, and then abandoned his friends to be destroyed and cut cruel promos on people. Oh well, at least he had hustle
@@Dr.Quarex Wait wait wait. So, you have a problem when John Cena comes out and cuts cheesy, inspirational, hokey promo's, but then turn around and act butthurt when he cuts scathing promo's on his opponents like what you're actually supposed to do to build up a match? And the only friend that he "abandoned to be destroyed," was Zack Ryder and the booking and storyline was awful anyways.
The only legitimate gripe I've ever heard that was reasonable was that Cena's been around for too long and the overexposure has left some fans feeling tired. And I can get that, but otherwise the other "legitimate gripes," I've heard were a bunch bitches playing benchside booker acting like they know how to book a wrestling show better then experts
Cena a wigger....
@@srgvette28 And you’re a loser who won’t even accomplish a quarter of what he’s accomplished
Cena deserved more respect. it's not really hating Cena but the creative which handcuffs him from being more himself
Respects earned not demand that's why I don't respect Cena. He hasn't earned it he's too selfish.
He has creative control, he could be himself and drop the act, especially the faux-marine crap where he is pretending to be a soldier just because he made a slightly successful movie called the Marine. His whole schtick feels fake.
He does do a lot of charity and is by all accounts mostly a nice guy outside of wrestling, but he has buried and politicked almost as much as Hogan and Michaels and whenever he came back, pretty much all the other stars that were rising in his absence got shoved back down so "the champ" could get the belt again and hog airtime.
his work ethic was unmatched. he tried being a role model for kids through his character. you want him to turn heel, by its vkm thats in control. they didn't turn him heel bc there's too much money to be made. but again, it's the creative and machine behind him tk blame and not the employee who is following orders
@@devangpatel5227 your too funny unmatched
@@Rodshark75 No, he doesn't. Politics aren't the same as in 80's. Vince decides who goes over, Cena only has a pull to decide how he wants to end the match.
The thing is the people aren't booing John Cena ... per se. They are booing Vince McMahon's choice ... because it's not their choice. Same thing happened with Roman Reigns. The fans wanted someone else that Vince wasn't going to give them. That made them angry and they started booing the top guys.
You’re absolutely right, oddly enough it goes all the way back to Bret Hart. He was the fans’ choice (over Lex Luger, who Vince desperately wanted to replace Bret at the top of the card in the wake of Hogan’s departure with the Lex Express) and Vince resented it so much that he fucked up Bret’s runs enough just enough to make him look bad while still turning a profit himself.
Cena became the top face because of the fans.
He was the most popular new guy in the company
Same reason people got bored of Hogan by 1992. Too many years of the same face with a very limited set of moves being pushed over and over. The clean-cut good-guy has a certain shelf-life, charisma gets you by but only for so long, and doesn't play to older audiences. the show can't be built by appealing to 9-year-olds forever, because even they become teenagers and move on, just like with Hogan. He'll be remembered more fondly in the future once nostalgia sets in.
He was already remembered fondly with nostalgia in 2002, almost 20 years ago.
@@belialbradley222 I was referring to Cena, not Hogan. In 1993 no one wanted to see another Hogan match in WWF, but by WM18 Hogan was so fondly remembered that the crowd turned against the Rock to cheer for him. I'll bet the ten year olds of 2007 would do the same for Cena if he made a main-event WM come-back in 5-6 years.
@@michaelkaminski84 nope they will still boo John Cena. He's not on that lunch table with Hulk Hogan. At least Hogan turned heel. I can't say the same for Cena he's too greedy to turn heel besides he sucks.
Ability 2/10. Promo 1/10. Dynamism 1/10. Skill set 2/10. Not hard to figure out.
@@jermaineobrien6378 you unironically said Cena sucks? The dude is constantly praised as being underrated on the mic, he's constantly expanding his moveset and on top of all that he makes titles feel important, he's annoying to see every week sure but saying he sucks and can't wrestle is just wrong
I think it's not only the fact that he's very limited in the ring compared to some other guys that weren't getting pushed, but the fact he stayed the same dull babyface character for his entire tenure after 2005. Ricky Steamboat was never a heel, but he was an all-time great worker and since he also had a crowd pleasing moveset, it kept him universally loved and respected.
Very limited in the ring? Just because he's not doing dives and flips doesn't mean his repertoire isn't diverse. John's character wasn't boring, but I'll admit it did hit a rough patch in 2009, then revitalized in 2011 with CM Punk, and then hit another rough patch until 2014 when John found his stride again.
@@therighteously8454 Dude his repertoire is shit! He's no way better than Samoa Joe, Cesaro, Sami, Shelton, Christian, etc. He only shone bright with the right opponent, all those guys had stellar matches with everyone.
@@NickPR87 I will never understand how you people will go out of your way to discredit Cena. He's legitimately a workhorse and has good matches. It takes two to tangle and no matter what you say you cannot take away from the fact that Cena is probably the best to lace up a pair of sneakers
I hated him because Vince forced him down our throats. I agree that he's a hell of a worker, but if they switched him heel around 2009, it would've been a breath of fresh air.
Not at all. Dude's 🗑. His work isn't believable. He's sloppy. All he can do is cut promos, but his personality is disingenuous. He's just annoying, but funny sometimes.
@@dfree1442 the latter part is true. He’s annoying (at least in the PG era), but overall in his career he’s had funny moments. They pushed him as if he was another Rock/Hogan except he didn’t have the star power they had across all of the fans and didn’t have the change in persona during the end of his prime like they did (Hollywood Hogan/Rock).
1) Fans felt that Cena was pushed on them, often to the expense of other wrestlers.
2) He's gotten much better at this, but when he was at the top his ability to tell a story inside the ring was severly lacking. His feuds with Umaga, Ryback, and Orton are prime examples of the "Cena Wins!" meme. Regardless of the story that they just spent twenty minutes telling, Cena suddenly does three moves in succession and wins the match. No transition, no build. His best matches (Punk, Edge, Rock) happened when the other guy shouldered more than their share of the in-ring story.
3) Another commenter said this better than I can, but Cena unfairly came to represent the move to the "PG-era."
I forgot who said it, (It may have been Hart himself) but someone told Cena to hang in there, keep doing what he's doing, and the crowd will come around. Now the majority of boos he gets are more playful than malicious.
That is in contract , 2006-2007 he was on fire in ring wise. Nobody was carrying him
@@titus0953 Physically, he was on point. But his in-ring story telling was still developing.
@@pigs18 are we forgetting the Ecw one night stand ppv and the tlc match in Toronto ?? Where he showed how diverse he really was, he had the in ring psychology nailed to a T.
@@pigs18 I do agree he was still growing and improving and needed more work. I mostly blame Vince for that however, Cena showed he could really work a match but Vince kinda changed his match formulas.
@@titus0953 don’t lie to them. In 2006-2007, he was carried by MOST of his opponents: Kurt Angle, Edge, HHH, RVD, HBK, etc. You watch any of their matches and it’s mostly them carrying the whole match while Cena takes a beating and then does his finisher and it’s over.
This question comes up so much in the WWE. The question isn't why didn't people like John Cena, the question is why did they have to?
You're right. It's not really that hard to figure out why fans hated him.
but many people like john cena
@@rodrigoduran5066 yeah the women and the kids and their aint much left of that audience either
What I'm noticing with this revelation is that WWE fans nowadays have a much more discerning taste than they did prior to the Attitude era. Back then, kayfabe was king and the audience was hooked throughout the show with only a few "in the know" who would discuss wrestling as a business and a product. Now with the internet, any kid can RUclips-search John Cena and can deep dive into the nuts and bolts of what wrestling is, and they're not stupid or protected by kayfabe. Hart and Ross appreciate the level of work Cena's put in, which should tell us something, but I agree that during this time, the WWE stuck to an old formula and didn't respond to their fanbase. True fans these days know when they're being taken for a ride.
This. This comment. This one right here. If this was reddit, I'd give you gold.
Love John Cena the person. Absolutely HATE John Cena the gimmick.
Amen
Why
I hate the wrestler he is garbage
@@MoeCamera Man, That's bullshit. Then Hogan, Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin sucked too.
Also when WWE slowly had changed Cena from Thugganomics gimmick to Super Cena gimmick. If Cena still had the Thugganomics edge but didn't need to rap necessarily he might be okay still. Also WWE turned him into the "unbeatable gladiator" gimmick. Also I noticed Cena's voice tone was different as Thugganomics
I hated his "Thugganomics Gimmick" also because I hate and despise Rap and Hip-Hop period.
@@GeorgeCarlinWasAGod why do u “despise” rap and hip hop?
@@juliannaf9969 Maybe because it's too monkey-ish?
I can't imagine hearing all the shit they had to hear while trying to work in the ring, especially knowing you can beat the shit out of most of the fans.
Bro imagine It for someone like Brock, a former UFC Champion getting shit talked by some fatass in the front row saying "you suck!"
@@jahseh8194 same thing goes for sports athletes or anyone famous really. But at the end of the day it's nothin personal.
@@jahseh8194 lol
The reason Cena gets booed is because he’s a transparent attempt by WWE to recreate hulk hogan and the crowd is just to mature to buy into that blond cartoon nonsense; instead of letting the fans who decide who they like, WWE is making that decision for them
Smh.. *Face palm* why would Vince try to recreate someone as trash as Hulk Hogan. You saying that
is like the people who say John Cena vs The Rock happened because Ric Flair vs The Rock didn't. All of those superstars are their own individuals, nothing more nothing less. People boo Cena because they was tired of SEEING John Cena.
@@ace100it_gaming7 The reason why he said that they tried to recreate Hulk Hogan is because of the fact when John Cena had got over with Doctor of Thuganomics and won the championship in 2005 the WWE quickly not only made him a main eventer but they also changed (but slowly) his gimmick to a Hustle, Loyalty and Respect/Never Give Up gimmick that mirrors the Hulk Hogan Superhero gimmick. They both barely was barely Heels, never really gave up their main roles and sold unmatched merchandise in their eras, also being the main attraction for the younger audience. I understand that some other things had forced the WWE to go towards the PG era but WWE is known for trying to recreate situations and storylines that worked in the past with minor changes. Because at the end of the day, WWE is trying make money, not your dreams come true. It's a business
@@ace100it_gaming7 They even had John Cena to Salute to the crowd and be at the Tribute To The Troops events and had Hulk Hogan not as different having American flag clothing and his theme song of being a real American. They also had basic moveset and display of skills within the ring.
That really isn't Cena's fault. I mean I don't get why that would make you hate him. If you don't want WWE to tell you who to cheer for then why don't you cheer louder for the guys you like instead of hating the guy being pushed. That seems more like unwarranted, artificial hate tbh.
@@DragonReaper1998 cena is garbage
The problem is that John Cena was forced down people's throat. Wrestlers who were being built to have a strong streak would always lose to Cena. Plus, Cena would have about 500 title matches instead of building up other wrestlers as champions. The 90's were great because they had multiple top guys.
Sounds just like HHH to me lol
That stupid heavyweight championship belt with the spinner is emblematic of why people boo John Cena.
It grew on me tbh, though i do think he should've only used it when he was champion, it's so weird going from ECW/World Heavyweight Champion belt CM Punk, to spinner belt Punk.
It’s stupid and childish. Once that happened and Federation was now Entertainment made them more and more stupid.
@@mariitz_ Well, the name change was just coincidence. The rise of John Cena just happened to be around the same time the WWF changed their name because of the World Wildlife Fund.
@@TheZaius Oh I wasn’t blaming Cena for the name change just the title.
This aged like shit
Back in 2007-2013/14 it was like everything that happened in WWE storyline and promo-wise was entirely to get Cena a rub. He was just constantly shoved down throats. His second match with the Rock at Mania was legit the worst executed storyline/one of the most boring matches in Mania history
The build up for the rematch wasn't bad quite entertaining at times but the match sucked.
No one forces you to watch.
@@timothy4011 you're an idiot. If you become a fan for years then a product turns terrible then "you don't gotta watch" doesn't help. Also, I don't watch anymore, like millions who no longer care anymore.
Not his fault nobody stepped up besides Jeff who burnt out
Cena’s character has always come off as fake. First he was a rapping white guy, which has only ever worked for one white guy ever. Then he tried the super soldier, which with zero military service is bogus too. He would have been an amazing heel. When I look at Cena, I see Homelander from “The Boys”
Finally someone spoke truth about him. I don't understand why there soo many blind sheep supporting john cena fake career, to me he was willing to do anything to be Vince boy, say anything, cut stupid promos even though they weren't going to be received well.
I just don't get it, masses still defend this dude.
@@Jose951Sanchez What sucks is that he’s massively talented. He could be amazing if they let him. But he’s also too much of a yes man to push anything on Vince.
@Jonathan Devereaux Heres some free advice, don’t pursue a career in talent scouting.
All this stuff was wrong or you misinterpreted
@@KnucklesWTD Hard to misinterpret a rapping white guy with a bogus military salute as we takes the stage lol. I’m dead on correct
Cena - there isn’t a single wrestler in a ring from any promotion today has 1/8 of the mic skills Cena possessed. He also worked called harder than
Almost any other wrestler. It’s not his fault his character was screwed by WWE hierarchy. His feud with Punk , Rock and Lesnar were some of the highlights of a mostly poor last decade for WWE. Only comparable run was Bryan’s rise to the title.
You must be between the age of 16-21 . Cena is trash.
@@uglyhobo4602 you must be a prick. But hey, that's your problem I guess. I've watched Wwe since it was WWF back in early 90's. You? Judging by your answer I'd say you were about six years old....
Here is the thing with John Cena. The heels he was up against weren't particularly helpful. They kept going back to Cena vs Edge or Orton because they could not create effective heels. There wasn't anything about him that was relatable to the older audience. He was capable of better matches, which we saw later, but the bulk of his run was so cookie cutter. Also they never gave him a break and gave us a chance to miss him. When the Nexus had him fired, he should have gone home until Royal Rumble at least.
I agree. I thought Wade Barrett had great heel potential though. If he had been the one to take down Cena and cut a serious and sadistic promo afterwards, he would've soared into the sunlight.
This is a great take. I always thought that WWE should have turned him after he first moved to Raw in 2005 or during his feud with Shawn in 2007. That way, people would have gotten to see a fresh character and it would have made him popular among the majority of the fans for a long time. Just my opinion.
Cena would bury the heels, this is a problem he created. Part of being a babyface is being the underdog. People mostly cheer for the underdog.
@@pc8679 Yeah. I'd say a couple years into his run I was like how is he overcoming the odds anymore? I can't name anyone from a character standpoint who was better off for having worked with Cena. Generally you had to rebuild those characters after Cena was done with them.
@@thebombspayloadisexposed This is why I love that we're actually getting a Roman Reigns heel turn.
John doesn't take the bumps are paints his face,,he doesn't sell the other guys stuff,,that's why I don't believe him as a entertainer...sorry but sometimes you wanna see a guy bleed,are a guy take the other guys finisher,,an stay down for the 3..it's my opinion..edge carried him in those matches,,triple h the same thing..john just doesn't sell
I’ve noticed John Cena only sells for guys bigger than him (Brock, Undertaker, Big Show, etc). That’s why Shawn Michaels went of script at WM 23 and told him to sell more 😂😂😂
Cena had one of the best debuts in the Ruthless Aggression era and props to him for doing a lot of charity work for kids who are ill
CM Punk is probably why they boo him but in reality CM punk is hard to cheer for because he got killed in the UFC
Cena in ‘04 was a fan favorite. It seemed like almost immediately overnight when Cena won the title is when the boos started. The feud with Edge was the best program of his career in my opinion
Cena 2006 was when he was starting to get booed after his win over triple h
@@LongHuynh-bx5ll Nah before then. Right After the JBL feud ended in 05
Bret is my GOAT wrestler. Bret is wrong why people boo Cena. It’s a generational thing. Attitude Era people hate him and kids love Cena.
I think you're 110% about the generational thing. I'm 44...grew up on Mid South/UWF & JCP/NWA & later ECW(I'm from PA, I was a regular @ the Bingo Hall) so the Attitude Era was the only bit of WWF that felt like home for me. That said... I respect the guy who plays Cena but I cant stomach the character.
And yeah...Bret is a class act. I know people give him props, but even so I feel like he was always under-rated or under-appreciated more so. We'll never see another guy like him come through...there will be 6 garillion Cenas though.
Atomic Werewolf76, Bret is underrated for sure. Every match he had was great. He was ranked number 4 best of all time behind Taker, Austin and Shawn.
Cena is good for his audience, love him or hate.
Props on the old mid south wrestling great stuff. I have a Butch Reed and Jake Roberts dvd from there. Great wresting.
@@pablocuneo4611 lol Cena’s decade long push killed the company. The only reason he got a push is because Lesnar left.
Greatomeister, you’re making it like I like Cena, I don’t. He sells merchandise and vince loves that. If you listen to Bruce Prichard’s podcast WWE were big on pushing both Cena and Brock.
I love wrestling, I just never had a reason to cheer Cena.....
Would a bret versus rock feud have made as much money as bret and Austin? I personally don’t think so! Long live pro wrestling!
Cena was forced that's why people didn't like him and he NEVER TURNED HEEL and did the job for some of the newer talent. That's also why that pipe bomb from CM Punk was so popular.
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, goodness, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
John cena his hulk Hogan 2.0..
Both have 3 moves ...both are wreslers for kids....both have stupid catch phrases...both are on drugs
John Cena has like 40 “moves,” not that it even matters at all. You can say all you want about his kid friendly character and catchphrases, but to compare wrestling ability of Cena to Hogan is absurd. Hogan barely moved in any of his matches. Also almost every wrestler is in drugs lol
Watch Hogan in Japan,he could wrestle,but wwe style don't allow it.
And now, the “you’re gonna miss me when I’m gone” feeling is in full effect, cuz the same people that boo’ed him, are the same ones cheering him now.
No they were chanting cena sucks at summerslam 2021
Which is strange asf. I’ve even noticed that in person at a show. When Cena comes out, they boo him crazily. When he wins the match, they cheer him like he’s the Messiah 🙄
@@bradlee3109 Royal Rumble 2017 is a prime example of this.
they should make cena a heel since he gets booed anyways. do it!
Idk why it's hard to understand that its how he was booked and how stale his character got. Nothing about him ever changed. How is that difficult to figure out?
He's a politician
@@jermaineobrien6378 true fuck Cena
Agree, this frustrates me to no end. People in the business said the same thing for years about Roman Reigns. “Oh, it’s just trendy to boo him” and “People trying to hijack the show” etc etc.
The only part of it with Cena where I can buy that is the “JOHN CENA SUUUUUCKS” for his entrance music, much like the “YOU SUCK!” For Kurt Angle. But everything else is what you said, and nobody in the business can get it somehow.
They kept him the same because he was getting big reactions, they might not have wanted the boos but they got them and it was the biggest and most genuine reaction on the show, which is what it's about. If they turned him heel that would have likely got him cheered briefly or indifference in the end. It's not rocket science why it was a good idea to change nothing
@@FasuloA The mistake they did Roman he was never vulnerable & never lost a singles match. They made him too strong or maybe Vince or creative should have let Roman show some of his personality of his own instead of reading a script he come off more natural. I don't dislike Roman that much compared to Cena I actually respect Roman he's a family man stood up to Vince during the Covid thing to be with his family beating cancer I hope. As for John Cena everyone should have seen his true colors when he was jealous of the rock pure hypocrisy.
I'm going to go out on the limb going to say it's not going to be Dean Ambrose that carries the ball for WWE
It’s not. That’s why he’s in AEW
Cena is dope
A real icon
Noones gonna make that impact not
Just in wrestling
But in US culture
For a long time.
Based. He is the 21st century Hulk Hogan of course not as big but my mum knows him the queen of england does ( I think) I doubt people know reigns or any star today.
@Jonathan Devereaux
Your an industry plant.
I hated him in 2012-13 when he had been Super Cena for 3 years and I really started liking Punk and Bryan more. 2014 was end of Super Cena when he got squashed by Lesnar sure he still remained in the title picture upto 2017. When he moved out of the main title picture is when I thought he was great and really respected him. I still feel they should've reserved making him 16 x world champ and only allow him to get there after he was really semi retired or retired, like they did for Rock or Goldberg.
Wrestling cratered for all eternity when they incessantly pushed Cena. Zero coincidence.
I'm old enough to remember going to house show tapings where Mean Gene would come out and egg us on prior to a segment to get some natural crowd sound. Te; us to scream Hulk or Hogan or other babyface, and of course cheer, yell, and boo. Crazy that most of that is organic now, or as they say a gimmick of it's own. Cena and Angle (for example) lean into it pretty good though.
I like '04-early '05 John Cena over 2010s
I started Hating John Cena in 2005 when he went to RAW where you could clearly see they changed his SmackDown! Character that had been so Loved before that, he had sold out and went Corperate basically becoming Hulk Hogan and started going over guys like Angle and Shawn Michaels in which he wasn't ready for yet. He beat Angle and HBK in one Match, this was two years before WrestleMania 23 so it didn't make Any Damn Sense, that and a Year Plus Title Reign made his Core Audience a little Pissed, that went on only getting Worse for 10 plus Years.
He started getting booed in June 2005 which is only 2 months in to having the title
I got into wrestling around the time Cena was just turning babyface organically with the Thuganomics gimmick, around the time of his first US title win.
I remember for that first year he was the hottest thing on show besides Eddie Guerrero himself. I remember people didn't start booing him until after he won the WWE title and he went to Raw. In the beginning I think it was because the Thuganomics thing had run it's course, and you could tell that he was starting to be censored a bit on his raps anyway, though that had already started before they move him. Plus, rap music didn't exactly get over on Raw, for pretty obvious reasons (It's at this point you realize the wide majority of the Raw Roster at this time was white except for basically Shelton Benjamin. Everyone who wasn't a super duper muscular white guy ended up on Smackdown. Just an observation, not saying anything) so the rap gimmick got dropped fast for the Cena we know today.
This was in 2006. At this point it was only really the biggest smarks who booed Cena, basically to make themselves look really smart and edgy and grow their epeens on their favorite wrestling message boards. It was kinda fringe at first among the most hip of hipsters. Then One Night Stand happened, of which the crowd was basically entire of said hipster smarks, and it was suddenly way in fashion to boo John Cena, because everyone wanted to be cool like the cool kids who made it into One Night Stand.
After that it just became this meme that would not die. It was like a hipster indie rock band, or Linux nerds with Ubuntu, It was super cool until everyone discovered it, and now it is SUPER NOT COOL. And I think at this point a lot of those old reasons are so far gone in the minds of the people who want to boo him. The kind of people who say "JOHN CENA DOESN'T DO ENOUGH MOVES" were probably the same people who said "JOHN CENA SHOULD STOP USING THE SPRINGBOARD STUNNER!", and some of whom also probably love Puro, specifically King's Road style, a style which is built by guys who probably used even fewer moves. It was just an easy excuse that holds no water.
Another factor is John's longevity. You think about the biggest stars in WWE history, especially Austin and Rock, none of their runs with the company on top were actually all that long. People forget that peak attitude era was only MAYBE 5 years, that was pretty much all of Austin's run on top, a significant amount of which he spent injured.
But you think about Rock's biggest run as a babyface in particular, and how it ended. The fans were kind bored with the Rock, they thought he was SO OVERRATED and SUCH A TERRIBLE SELLER and all this, and they started booing him. And thats when Hollywood Rock became a thing, and he became a part timer. That was not that long after Austin left. But when he'd make his big returns years later, people loved him again.
Cena was the main event guy for over 10 years with basically no break, so people got bored with him, especially when he wouldn't change his character like Rock did when they started booing him. I think if he had taken more breaks, or been forced to by injuries, he might have been booed him less. Even just look at his return at The Garden during that Royal Rumble after his pec injury. That was an NYC crowd and they popped like crazy for him, and he wasn't even gone that long. Or his return as Thuganomics Cena at Wrestlemania with Elias. Or even when he (pretend) broke character on Roman Reigns, the crowd was immediately hot for him again.
I think history will be kind to Cena. Just like it was to Rock. I think people just need a long enough break from him to look at him objectively and realize he is actually amazing.
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this is the best comment i have ever seen
u were very right about this
I’ll never understand the “people only booed Cena to look cool” thing. What if people just genuinely didn’t care for Cena and his corny stale personality?? Is that so hard to believe?
Why is it so hard for folks to understand that sum people have gotten tried of seeing him n every pay per view main events
ppl were not ready for cena after rock, austin etc left
For it started when one day he was parody rapper and the next day we were supposed to believe he was really from the hood. Then because he played a Marine he started to act like a soldier. Are you kidding me?
His rapper wigger gimmick was a joke and kinda wore off immediately, didn't help that he was also push into high heavens and shoved forcefully into our throats by vince. Also this isn't only exclusive to cena, even guys like the rock, edge, orton, and now roman was also booed so hard as a face.
At least they wised-up a bit with Roman and turned him heel... along with Rollins, because they naturally have a very "heel-feel"
Since this is a "why" question on fan response. I'm commenting my own answer.
They pushed Cena too early like Disney pushed Mickey Mouse. He seemed like he was manufactured. He started as the clean cut baby face then morphed into a "Thug" He was pushed on charisma and promo skills before any wrestling skill had been established. It was an obvious rated G push that made me cringe.
Yes! I dont know which was worse Vince making movies or the XFL. John Cena was a Vince pick gone wrong. He would have probably got over had he been on his own. BUT again I'm no expert and I know some would disagree.
This is total bullshit. Cena's push didn't felt "manufactured". They pushed him because fans choose him and he was the most over guy in the company at one point. Then he watered down because as soon as Vince saw he can represent a company he took from him his thug charisma and turned him into Superman , Hustle Loyalty Respect which doesn't appeal to smarks. It's simple logic.
Cena was booed cause McMahon was shoving him down the fans throats for years . Same with Reigns.
It's the fans in major markets like CHICAGO, Philadelphia, Boston, LA, NYC, DC, Tampa who go to be disruptive because they know it's a TELEVISED event. I have been to house shows headlined by John Cena and there were not nearly as many boos. Mostly cheers.
Same with Roman. I have been to house shows and he's is cheered then I go to television and the reaction is different.
He was boring in the ring.he has some mic skills but that was boring as well. When its forced then it never works
To say he has "some" mic skills is a bit disrespectful. Cena has shown numerous times that he can hang with some of the heavyweights on the mic. He proved this during his feud with Rock. Cena performed at his absolute best when he was tasked with attacking guys like Rock, Roman Reigns, Miz, and Daniel Bryan in a promo.
Cena's rapper gimmick questions your use of the quantifier "some" in regards to mic skills.
WWE booking had got stale.. you knew Cena was getting over anytime he was involved in a story. I believe the single wrestler taking out a tag team is dated and doesn't work anymore until they can get a tag division that is over.
Phil Leonardo: “I did 20 fucking years”
Bret: “I got kicked in the head by Goldberg”
i think people in the business are taking it difficult to grasp the booing of Cena from a 100% fan standpoint. Those people booing did like Cena at one point, character wise. The thing is its when McMahon gets too complacent with a baby face and it becomes stale and boring, the 5 moves of doom and knowing that good talent were just going to get fed to Cena. its the result of the face booing of Reigns because we knew it was the new "baby boy" to make the company look good for investors not the fans.... We respect the workers but we are booing vince on his decision. We love you JR but idk why i never see anyone from the business talk about it from this standpoint its always about how we are booing in "trend" which yes exists but when you solely look at Cena and Reigns its the grasp Vince has on them and we all know Vince isn't about traditional story telling anymore and more for global presence and how non-wrestling fans see the WWE.
Let me clear this up for you, as a lifelong diehard fan who hasn't watched one second of live WWE programming since Undertaker vs. HBK Streak vs. Career. I saw a lot of upcoming talent and rehabbing injuries going through OVW pre-fame. (Lesnar, Orton, Bautista, Cena, CM Punk, others. Random Story: Lesnar was playing a bleach blonde Swedish tag-team wrestler with bright yellow gear who would hit a flawless Shooting Star Press almost every night, but the OVW ropes were very springy/loose like a boxing ring which I always wondered made him nearly kill himself against Angle in the botched attempt.)
Back to Cena... so, when he debuts in WWE, he's playing like a Vanilla Ice rapper who wears Reebok Pumps, jorts and chains. (I have no idea why you take a guy with a "perfect" Championship body and put him in a dumb gimmick, and I always wondered if Triple H or someone with similar clout saw him coming and tried to sabotage him.) At the time in WWE there were other main eventers using vastly superior, more aggressive overhead finishers, namely Angle and Lesnar who are also probably the most real-life accomplished wrestlers in the history of the business. Cena is effectively doing a fireman's carry into less perceived impact than a vertical suplex and the WWE is asking me to accept it as the Tombstone. The 5-Knuckle Shuffle is a disgrace to The People's Elbow on par with The Worm from Scottie-Too-Hotty, which was already a disgrace but we all winked with The Rock because we love him. He wasn't stellar on the mic yet, and due to his gimmick he didn't really chain wrestle. A high-impact Goldberg-style run would have made more sense, as no one can deny his physique, but I don't think Vince ever wanted another Ultimate Warrior situation.
Another issue was the complete lack of credible heels at the top of the roster during Cena's push. When Bret Hart/HBK were coming through, it seemed like everyone they faced was a giant unstoppable monster: Undertaker, Vader, Yokozuna, Diesel, Psycho Sid, even Bam Bam Bigelow. Cena and Orton had the Big Show and Kane, but they had put pretty much everyone over at that point. That left Cena with JBL, who the audience had seen for years as a mid-card (but solid) tag team wrestler. So instead, WWE went hard into having John Cena do things "no one ever thought possible" like making every legend on the roster tap out to ... William Regal's STF finishing move and overselling the FU (renamed the Attitude Adjustment.)
And he would just .. never lose. Like Hulk Hogan/Goldberg level *never* losing. Which would be fine, the entire business used to be that way, and I think Hogan lost less than 15x total in his WWE career. But from 2000-2005 there's like a million legacy champions handing it off to each other repeatedly: Austin, Rock, Triple H, Foley, Taker, Lesnar, Angle, HBK, Jericho, Booker T, Benoit, Guerrero, Edge, that's 13 off the top of my head and I haven't gotten to one yet that's a worse wrestler or had a worse finishing move or was worse on the mic than Cena, and yet Cena gets God status. A perfect example of the questionable booking was what I considered Cena's best match, he finally loses to HBK clean in a "who's the better man" rematch, except ... it's pointless, non-title, the night after WrestleMania where Cena (shocker) went over clean. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
The other mistake they made (or ignored) was the massive and early booing from the audience at all of these things. They pretended that heat from the fans was an adjustment from the testosterone-filled Attitude Era returning to family-friendly PG programming. And sure that's part of it, but I would estimate 15%, not 75% or something. Or they thought Cena was just "so clearly the #1 guy that he gets a reaction from the crowd, no matter what!" as though Cena was driving us all to scream or cheer one way or the other. Let me be very clear: Cena is a Golden Retriever with weak moves and poor psychology, and he was never my Champion. The infinite 5-year push he got was the reason I left, and I've never come back. When the fans pointed out his moves were terrible and unpolished (aka You - Can't - Wrestle chants) they started adding "well respected wrestling moves" like the "Fisherman Suplex" and STF to his repertoire (Curt Hennig rolling over in his grave at the idea of calling that a Fisherman's Suplex.) The final straw for me was the military (I'm a Veteran) and when nothing else worked to get this guy over (which used to be the signal that he's NOT the guy,) they bathed him in the flag and camo and started having him salute like he was a warrior. The reason that worked with Hogan was Hogan was already Americana at the time. So I'll repeat what we tried to tell you in the mid-2000s: We've Cena 'Nuff.
And btw, I don't believe this podcast for a second. JR and Bret Hart know everything I just told you. The only reason they would ever act otherwise is they want to do more business with WWE in the future, which is sad since they're both Hall of Famers who made that place special in the first place and should always be welcomed back with open arms. ECW fans? Come on Bret. The guy went over everyone clean in Reebok Pumps and Jorts.
JR , huge fan here , but why are all of these so old ? This has to be from 5 years ago at least
If he would've stayed as the Doctor of Thugonomics, he wouldn't go through any of that. People don't like that fake Gi Joe military hero character
They don’t like him.
He just doesn't seem very talented in the ring. Or athletic (just look at his awkward top rope leg drop). One word…
Yawn!
I’ve come to appreciate John Cena more in his absence. It’s clear WWE has no one near his star level right now and they won’t for the foreseeable future.
To be honest if roman stays as entertaining as the tribal chief for as long as he can, he could be the cena vince wanted all those years ago
In other word Cena sucks but today’s roster sucks even more
Because they built the show around Cena and FOR Cena FOR years.
The Rock describes Cena' character pretty clear: phony.
The Rock is the definition of Cringe just like you clown
Fans get tired of wreslters being baby face and wants them to turn heel after a while
Nah. No one asked for a Ricky Steamboat, Sting, Tatanka, Ultimate Warrior, Dusty Rhodes or Goldberg heel turn. And fans were ok with Batista as a face in the 2000s for 5 straight years.
You know how people chant AJ Styles name, even when he’s doing an interview? Because they respect him. His ability. His talent. Fans cheered Rock & Austin for the same reason. Fans boo Cena because he was an average worker who was forced down our throats because he was “Vince’s guy”. Vince was trying to make another Hogan, Rock, or Austin and it didn’t work (for women and kids it did). And he’s been trying to do the same with Roman. Notice how fans don’t boo Rollins or Orton or Brock when they win multiple titles? Because fans respect them. Women and kids cheer Roman and Cena because they are the traditional “good guy”. But the fans who appreciate the work and talent and dedication of the wrestlers who earn their living in this grueling business, they cheer the workers who perform and earn the admiration of the fans. They reject the person “they’re supposed to cheer for” if they fell they haven’t earned it or been handed multiple opportunities because they’re Vince’s favorite.
There's a lot of matches where the fans start booing Cena, and then somewhere in the middle, they forget all that, because of Cena's effort.
Match is always a match. People can't stand the character.
Is this from 10 years ago?
Probably about 5 or 6. Sounds like 2014-2015 to me. Its after WM30 for sure.
They bood him because he was a parody that was extremely childish and insulting he was shoved down people's throats when nobody wanted him on there tv
I dont know, maybe the fact hes like the second or third all time wwe champion and yet he has only had 1 "classic" match in which he was carried. The reason people boo cena is because he sucks in the ring
The dude has had classics with Edge, Punk and weirdly enough Orton, he even Carried The Great Khali to his only ever good match.
@@jahseh8194 he had 1 good match with punk in 2011 at money in the bank. That's it
@@molsy1768 quit hatin
@@pharoahhamilton7076 quit lovin
@@molsy1768 u crazy if u think cena only had one classic. I hate luh d riders like you. At least make sure what your saying is true. He doesn't "suck" in the ring and has more than one classic. Hell, even his debut against angle is a classic. You dont have to wrestle like an indie guy to be good in ring.
Should have turned Cena heal
As soon as Cena hits The 1st Shoulder Tackle here comes the Boos😂. The Fans Really Hate The 5 Knuckle Shuffle 🤣
I think Cena gets booed because he’s gotten stale. He’s been a constant presence as the same character for years and years and years. He says the same things and acts the same way all the time on almost every show. I think a big part of it is people being bored with him and that character
Jim Ross.
You are Amazing.
Always have been.
Always will be.
People like anti heros more than they do heros. Stone cold when it comes to character depth was a anti hero and thats why it worked in my opinion.
That ain’t true at all. Most people root for the good guy to win. It’s only natural. Look at comic books. Most kids want to be Superman or Batman. That is what Cana became. What you are talking about is the attitude era where the antihero rained supreme. Sadly those years are over and talent looks bleak. The sport is too mainstream for older hardcore fans anymore. The way our society is going hasn’t helped
I can tell you that I never really came around on Cena. I had grown up on Hogan, Perfect, Flair, etc as a little kid... then on HBK, Rock, Austin, and the Outlaws as a teenager. Those guys all had something that made me WANT to see them. Cena felt like the corporate guy at work who gets handpicked by the office. He got better with time, but he was so boring, so generic, so not-compelling that I think his run at the top marked the beginning of the end for WWE. It wasn't just him, but he was the perfect symbol of the direction they were going. Roman is it now. WWE now wants to tell YOU who to cheer. It's like if they'd kept going with Lex Luger's push for 15 years straight until you finally caved and went "Yeah. He's good." Not for me.
The Lex Express
100%
Old clip kinda 2013 -2014
I have also just like most miss John Cena being around but Cena was the best Top guy since Rock and Stone Cold, John Cena as much as fans boo him and cheer for the indie guys or the Heels.Damn who is a bigger draw than Cena now, there’s almost nobody who can be a better baby face
Children and Woman love Cena and late teen and men in there 20's and 30's hate him...but they hate him because is what they are not and what most won't be. He is rich, handsome, successful and odds are he could go up to any strait woman single or married and invite her to his bed and they would go. Its called Jealousy, he is what they will never be and it not they can't, you do not have to have a handsome face...but having a nice body, a good personality, strong work ethic, educated, and willing to work your ass off can get you that but few people male or female put the type of work into themselves as people like John Cena or CM Punk or The Rock put into there lives.
Jealousy is going a little too far imo
@@nerdguru86 what is the truth painful
No, Cena actually just sucks.
I actually really like and respect John Cena. But I also think JR and Bret are living in the perspective that fans should honor the baby face/heel dynamic. When wrestling was at its peak, it was the anti-heroes who often earned the crowds favor. Blurring the lines between face and heel is totally fine and often beneficial IMO.
That’s why I always loved southern rasslin’, even the baby faces had an attitude or wore grey hats vs the more clean-cut Boy Scouts up North.
Cena been the main face for WWE for a long time, people got tired of it, even he did, that's why you barely see him now, he wants to do more serious things, but his only claim to fame was WWE, I thought the Marine was a good movie and his appearance in Daddy's home 2 and the new fast and furious was ok, but other than that, what else have he done? I'm a fan, but I don't blame people for trying to get something new.
His thugganomics to The Marine to Supersoldier to SuperHero fruity pebbles colorful attire. Too much changes and he went from 2000s teens to adult's with attitude edginess to 9 years old.
Roman Reigns is Cena 2.0
Got boo'ed 6 yrs straight then suddenly got his big break when talent dried up.
With John they was try to do a modern version of American Hulkamania, American hero..
John always salute the crowd.
At first he was alright then got annoying being force fed down fans throats.
No wonder Trip H said Cena is the last franchise, " We're not doing that anymore. "
John Cena just isnt that good. He deserved to be a top guy, but not the top guy for so long. The only reason he was pushed so hard was because the WWE got scared after the benoit incident and felt they had to back some boyscout wrestler for 10 years.
Well, now the company isnt even owned by the McMahons anymore and the ratings are horrible.
Idk, maybe thats why?
People chanted You Suck at Kurt Angle for years, and I'm pretty sure towards the end, they didn't hate him. They appreciated his work. With Cena, I think he was the first in a long line of guys after the Attitude Era who were pushed against what the fans wanted. They were pushed before they were over. Yes, Cena is a babyface in the babyface Hogan tradition rather than of the Stone Cold variety. Granted, nobody is Steve Austin and never will be. When you have guys who the company insists on pushing that fans don't want to see, you're going to get backlash. We were spoiled to some extent in the late 90s, because Vince seemed to suck it up for once and push the guys who were getting themselves way over. That made him a billionaire. Once the Wars were over and he didn't need to have a modern, entertaining, intelligent product, things started to change. You had some bad, raunchy (as opposed to good raunchy) stuff in the mid 2000s, but Vince always wanted to be like Disney or McDonalds and market his product to kids. The only time he deviated from that plan was when it was either change or go out of business.
Cena started off as a rapper. Now hes some army guy ? The huge leap in character makes him seem fake. People dont like fake.
He was booed before he started the army style
Never liked Cena he was a little bit entertaining as the Dr. Of Thuganomics,but really he sucks. There's nothing "fashionable" about it JR Cena really does suck
Really dont like him. Simple as that
People just got tired of Cena, same thing happened with Hogan before he turned heel. It's the same gimmick, same promo, same matches for 10 years. Just got old, I don't think fans hate Cena on a personal level. Fans are tired of the squeaky clean babyface, look at the Rock's early years. Jericho in WCW early on, they got over as heels. That's why people hated Roman. The goody too shoes shit doesn't sell anymore.
I think some people were booing Cena because he was kind of forced fed to the fans as the top guy. Same with Roman Reigns a few years ago
John Cena was the first pre-fabricated superstar that Vince gave to the audience. It didn't work then, but he kept doing It, and that's why the WWE Is not what It was 20 years ago.
The bottom line is this, before him anyone that got the wrong reaction for their character changed. Hogan, Austin, rock, undertaker, even Vince McMahon himself. And the reason John gets more resentment than everyone else is because he didn’t change. He thought he was above the wrestling fans and he thought he was above his peers. And I’m sorry but if the fans can get sick of Hogan they can get sick of anyone. John is not so special that he should’ve been immune to the same things of those that came before him. Everyone should be held to the same standard.
I just don’t like cena.. when he started being the main draw is when I stopped watching and praying for Rock to come back
Ruthless Aggression US spinner Champ Cena was never hated. It was the Repetitive Wwe Chips, Still a Legend
That Eminem gimmick was the reason why.
LET'S GET REAL GUYS. THE ONLY REASON GUYS BOOED CENA WAS BECAUSE THEY FELT SELF CONSCIOUS CHEERING FOR SOMEBODY THAT LOOKED BETTER THAN THEM. Same reason Shawn Michaels got booed in his early days. It's not Heel vs Babyface, get real!
Simplest way put, the fans don't hate Cena, much like Reigns before his heel turn, much like Rollins in his last face run.
The issue wasn't the talent, it was the booking people didn't like. I totally understand why WWE did Super-Cena but alot of fans just wanted the Doctor of Thugaomics.
Sooner or later this would happen, he's not going to be a rapper and dress like that at 40
Bret hart , cena , roman , rollings
I think fans boo John Cena because he turned away from a gimmick that fit him very well and was well received, then he just dumped it. Then it seems he feels he's too good to do a heel turn. Hulk Hogan went forever in the WWF as the hero. He had to leave in the mid-90's because that wasn't over anymore. He got new life out of being a heel in WCW and I loved it. It was something I had always wanted to see him do.
We all know it's scripted so we all know Hogan - outside of his power strokes backstage - wasn't really that person. And we would know if John Cena would ever turn heel he's just playing a role. I think it's a right of passage for the fans and a wrestler to have at least one heel turn in their career.
Also Cena is much like Rock and Austin and even Shawn Michaels - he's so over that he could turn heel but still have the backing of the fans like Austin did. No matter how many turns Austin had he was still over and that could still be true for Cena but he won't take the risk.
I just got bored of him to be honest and I hated the cena vs Rock comparisons.
I hated when people compared him to The Rock
Cena and the rock are the same tho. They're amazing promos, top class promos, but they cant wrestle
Molsy 176 The Rock was really good at selling moves though.
@@rickytpb2164 no he wasnt. The rock sold in the same way that shawn Michael's sold to hulk hogan. It was awful
Molsy 176 over selling is funny and theatric. Stop pretending this is a real sport. I don’t care if it’s realistic or not.