There only a few circumstances where telling a righteous lie is the most honorable thing to do 🙏🏾 But in these extreme and rare circumstances, it is the right thing to do.
Money does not make you happy but you can pick your own kind of misery thank you both this was very infomitive this conversation was a wake up call for me you are never to old to stop learning god bless
I agree with both of you, sometimes it may be a life or death situation and the only way to get out of it or to save someone else might be by lying. But most everyday cases aren't like that and from what you mentioned, I believe Jordan was addressing the issue that everyone lies or has lied in the past for personal gain and the moment this easy way out works for us, we all end up resorting to it until we eventually learn our lesson (although many never do).
Although I'm a huge Jordan Peterson fan I think have disagreements and discuss things can be very beneficial! Two things about the 'never lie' thing: • if you lie to Protect someone, how are you certain to help them with it? • the truth is all you have. Not lying protects your spirit in difficult times. • a third thing although I was going to say just two things; Socrates would've lived if he just lied. For me it's not clear why he didn't make the wisest decision of them all by telling his truth.
Part of this brought me to say this, I'm a giver I never felt good getting from people, givers are givers, so really just recently and I will be 65 yrs old I'm learning to allow people to give in their way of saying thank you...and I'm not rich in any way far from it, but I just always felt good being a giver than a taker...and there are plenty of takers...and till today I always like the feeling I leave people that I don't want anything for my kindness absolutely nothing....otherwise its not kindness its hey what can I get for what I do for them....great sit down enjoyed it once again...
These guys have the knowledge of the streets. That’s the true understanding of human nature and survival.. it’s really the basis of everything and they both are good men too ..I love listening to perspectives that can actually help you
And oh the only reason I followed your podcast is because a old man I met from Waskom Texas who has passed who told me on a old porch about the Italian family who raised him and I laughed to my soul and one of my favorite movies is A Bronx Tale keep up the good content.❤❤❤❤❤❤
I’ve been trying to tell my 24 y/o grandson to take responsibility for his actions to no avail, but hope springs eternal. I grew up w/rules that included making my bed in the morning that made life a bit easier in bootcamp. Now, in my late 70s, I’m still living that way w/no regrets. As an aside “Bronx Tale” is a great movie that taught a lot of life lessons. As to the Q about telling a lie I’m against it in most cases. But when your wife asks if the new garment makes her look good, but it doesn’t, how brave are you?
Hi Michael and Chazz! How are you? I am looking forward to learning about your rules. You are both insightful and thoughtful 🤗 My answer: I have fibbed to protect a friend’s feelings. I will not tell a major lie for anyone because I will be liable in the end.
Honesty is the best answer. It might be hard but if it hurts you then you gotta say I wont lie for you. If they are your friend they will not be upset.
I can sit down and listen to these gentlemen a whole day. I hope they start inviting guests and make the podcast longer for bigger discussion, it would be amazing.
I don't know where you are and who you are, but i am listening to your bodcasts in the meddle Asia, it has been i think nearly a month since the first time i saw you in RUclips. I honestly wanna appreciate your podcasts and tell you a heartfelt thanks for you marvelous and amazing analysis of the great books, Keep going the wise guys Best of luck.
Good afternoon Mike I like it what you talkin about the 12 rules and Chaz and you Mike it's very excellent I like it be safe I pray for you for good health 🙏 Mike and also Chaz he's an excellent actor when he played the Bronx tale it was an excellent movie I like it Mike
As a woman once told me. You can trust a thief but you can never trust a liar. If you work in an environment were your life is dependent on other people and vise versa. Lying is a no no.
@@TheWiseandtheWiseguy I read it. It interesting. And I gave her a book reference to read Manual of the Warrior of Light by Paulo Coelho and 2666 by Roberto Bolaño
Thank you gentlemen your podcast has helped me understand one thing family a wise man once said you will never see a hearse pulling a UHaul but only how you made people feel but if your handshake is unbreakable other good men will support you when you need them family it's eternal thank you.❤❤❤
this is without question, My favorite new project on RUclips. The two of you together the chemistry. The collaboration the knowledge this will go straight to the top, appreciate you both 👊 👊 🙏🙏 I would absolutely lie to protect someone , no question
@MichaeL_Franzese222 you / we really need a great memory if you tell lies....just to remember that lie, what happened to say you have to lie...,now, what is a lie. .do you / we lie to help a friend or lie to " play for time " ..
If you put yourself in the right environment you will most likely not have to lie. But I agree with you that if your in a situation you have to help a family member by lying about something small, I don’t think its immoral to lie.
If you guys could make an episode on what to do to make good money it would be greatly appreciated. I'm a young guy coming up and I don't really have any mentors in my life. Financial/Business advice from you guys on top of what you're already giving would be great. Love from NC.
As for myself its very difficult for me to get the Chicago Illinois mindset Out of my psyche I find myself still living with the same Live rules as if you will as I did in the inner city no matter where I live I think it depends upon What the lie is and the consequence of telling the falsehood You've been telling the truth it costs a man's life Who is say what would be the greater wrong Something to ponder.I believe that even though we most do are best to be Truthful there are Exceptions to the rule
@Palminteri_FranzeseTherefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. II Cor. 5:17
I remember when I was kid I was born in Mexico but brought to the USA when I was 1year old and when I was 6years old we went back to visit , so when we had to comeback to USA my parents would tell me to lie to the migration officer to say “American citizen” and we would get trough but I had to lie at 6 years old to a migration officer at for a couple of years more till I was 12 and got my residence, this was back in the 90s but I’m with the Wise and Wiseguy sometimes we got to lie to get throughout life or even if it’s for someone else for a good cause I think we can lie just a little .
It is a great book. I also agree with the both of you about lying. Sometimes you have to pick and choose when to lie. Example; WW-2, if I was hiding you in the attic and the Nazis were looking for you. I would have no problem telling them I don’t know where you are.
The only time I can think of where lying seems fully acceptable would be if your wife or girlfriend asks you how she looks in a particular outfit and you may not personally think it looks the best on her, however it’s clear SHE really likes the way she looks in it and wants to wear it, I just can’t see any reason to tell the truth here other than just that: to tell the truth, but I see zero positive outcome from this and also zero negative outcome from lying in this scenario. I watched the Franzese/Peterson sit down and I recall Michael bringing up the point about his son getting in trouble, and the main thing I remember Jordan pointing out is that, even if it seems you’re only protecting your son and it’s harmless, there was probably a string of lies leading up to that one, and as both Michael and Chazz pointed out here, once you’ve told the lie it can turn into a web of deceit where you have to continue to lie to cover up the previous lie(s). Would be an interesting subject to hear these three gentlemen discuss.
You can't lie to yourself about yourself. My name is Victor, not, Victim. A Leader knows how to follow. Short term pain for long term gain. I make money, money doesn't make me. Embellishing the truth, is it a lie? Great stuff.
I believing in lying to protect those you love. For sure. Why put someone in harms way that you care about? If one is caught in a lie and it's for good reason it would be for good reason and completely understandable. People who say they would tell the truth I don't think has ever been in a situation where a loved one was put in harms way.
Fruitful Conversation !! Sir what would be some best books to read for rising above setbacks or hard times & conquering self doubt in the face of uncertainty ??
Don't lie unless you are protecting the feelings of your wife, making peace or reconciliation amongst ppl, and if you have to lie in order to save a life.
If other people lie about something doesn’t mean you should too. How about you be different? How about going the road less traveled? How about being leaders and men of integrity?
Lying (deception) is a part of Human nature, it isn't a license to lie about anything and everything but to go around thinking that no one should ever use deception is foolish.
Money will come and go.. but the things that really matter in this life doesn't cost a thing. Geeze, I thought it was just me. I have to make my bed every morning and make sure my room is clean and tidy. I'm the kind of person that everything has its place and keep things clean and tidy.
The girl friend of my best friend in Paris once said to me, you know money won't make you happy, then she said but you have to of had money to know that
On the lieing part it reminds me of that great line, I always tell the truth even when I lie....lol on the would ya would ya not it will always depend on the situation....and who it is...thats just life...I think anyway...nothing is so cut and dry.
Mike and Chazz give you more life lessons in one talk than any self help book. Just practical every day life experiences that come in handy.
most underrated duo on the internet.
Again GEN Z need to watch this kind of podcast... More power
This book made me understand why I’m broke and start working on right things
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@@taladkouki4869wtf
I just discovered this podcast and I love it. Chazz and Michael have excellent chemistry.
I hope you both know how much we appreciate you. These episodes helps me so much, you help me be a better version of myself.
100%
There only a few circumstances where telling a righteous lie is the most honorable thing to do 🙏🏾 But in these extreme and rare circumstances, it is the right thing to do.
Money does not make you happy but you can pick your own kind of misery thank you both this was very infomitive this conversation was a wake up call for me you are never to old to stop learning god bless
Dishes bother me too, that and the countertops. I've got about a million disinfectant wipes of every kind, lol.
I would love to see you two guys with Jordan as guest.
If you look like you need help in life, no one will help you. 🔥🔥
Keep the great content coming!!
We will do our very best.
Thank you gentlemen!! Another fantastic episode. You have something special here. Stay blessed and have a great weekend.
You guys really help me your podcast encourages me the best podcast
Keep going my friend!
I agree with both of you, sometimes it may be a life or death situation and the only way to get out of it or to save someone else might be by lying. But most everyday cases aren't like that and from what you mentioned, I believe Jordan was addressing the issue that everyone lies or has lied in the past for personal gain and the moment this easy way out works for us, we all end up resorting to it until we eventually learn our lesson (although many never do).
I listen to you guys podcast twice. Once for each ear. Thank you.
The wise and the wise guy is an enjoyable and a genuine. I enjoy the respect and gentlemanry atmosphere
So true - money makes good people better, bad people worse
It's a big difference feeling if you don't have kid's to help your love one be safe God Bless you both and your families.
I love these guys ! Fugitabowtit!! Real men teaching the younger generation morals and principles experience etc
Although I'm a huge Jordan Peterson fan I think have disagreements and discuss things can be very beneficial!
Two things about the 'never lie' thing:
• if you lie to Protect someone, how are you certain to help them with it?
• the truth is all you have. Not lying protects your spirit in difficult times.
• a third thing although I was going to say just two things; Socrates would've lived if he just lied. For me it's not clear why he didn't make the wisest decision of them all by telling his truth.
Part of this brought me to say this, I'm a giver I never felt good getting from people, givers are givers, so really just recently and I will be 65 yrs old I'm learning to allow people to give in their way of saying thank you...and I'm not rich in any way far from it, but I just always felt good being a giver than a taker...and there are plenty of takers...and till today I always like the feeling I leave people that I don't want anything for my kindness absolutely nothing....otherwise its not kindness its hey what can I get for what I do for them....great sit down enjoyed it once again...
To truly be accountable, you must be accountable to yourself.
I'm learning a lot of things from your videos. Thank you very much.
As usual GREAT Video Jordan Peterson , you both....AND a quote of George Costanzo. 😎✌
These guys have the knowledge of the streets. That’s the true understanding of human nature and survival.. it’s really the basis of everything and they both are good men too ..I love listening to perspectives that can actually help you
Old wisdom is the best! Love both of your perspectives
Thanks! Props to Jordan for writing this incredible book.
And oh the only reason I followed your podcast is because a old man I met from Waskom Texas who has passed who told me on a old porch about the Italian family who raised him and I laughed to my soul and one of my favorite movies is A Bronx Tale keep up the good content.❤❤❤❤❤❤
I’ve been trying to tell my 24 y/o grandson to take responsibility for his actions to no avail, but hope springs eternal. I grew up w/rules that included making my bed in the morning that made life a bit easier in bootcamp. Now, in my late 70s, I’m still living that way w/no regrets. As an aside “Bronx Tale” is a great movie that taught a lot of life lessons. As to the Q about telling a lie I’m against it in most cases. But when your wife asks if the new garment makes her look good, but it doesn’t, how brave are you?
Hi Michael and Chazz! How are you? I am looking forward to learning about your rules. You are both insightful and thoughtful 🤗 My answer: I have fibbed to protect a friend’s feelings. I will not tell a major lie for anyone because I will be liable in the end.
We are doing great. I hope are too!
Honesty is the best answer. It might be hard but if it hurts you then you gotta say I wont lie for you. If they are your friend they will not be upset.
I can sit down and listen to these gentlemen a whole day. I hope they start inviting guests and make the podcast longer for bigger discussion, it would be amazing.
I don't know where you are and who you are, but i am listening to your bodcasts in the meddle Asia, it has been i think nearly a month since the first time i saw you in RUclips. I honestly wanna appreciate your podcasts and tell you a heartfelt thanks for you marvelous and amazing analysis of the great books,
Keep going the wise guys
Best of luck.
truth holds integrity, but if you do lie make it count ~kat leo
Your videos motivate me. Thanks.
So happy to know that these videos motivate you.
Good afternoon Mike I like it what you talkin about the 12 rules and Chaz and you Mike it's very excellent I like it be safe I pray for you for good health 🙏 Mike and also Chaz he's an excellent actor when he played the Bronx tale it was an excellent movie I like it Mike
As a woman once told me. You can trust a thief but you can never trust a liar. If you work in an environment were your life is dependent on other people and vise versa. Lying is a no no.
I love Chazz and Michael's outlook and prospect on this book. Definitely interested in buying and reading it now thanks to them.
appreciate a lot
My best friend got me this book back in 2021
You should definitely borrow and read the book from your best friend.
@@TheWiseandtheWiseguy I read it. It interesting. And I gave her a book reference to read Manual of the Warrior of Light by Paulo Coelho and 2666 by Roberto Bolaño
Thank you gentlemen your podcast has helped me understand one thing family a wise man once said you will never see a hearse pulling a UHaul but only how you made people feel but if your handshake is unbreakable other good men will support you when you need them family it's eternal thank you.❤❤❤
Amazing topic! Best words from the wise Man.
The Duo this Generation Needs!
Thanks lads.
I really enjoy Jordan Peterson he is so smart
In The Book of Knowledge I did come across something saying it's okay to lie to keep someone out of harms way
this is without question, My favorite new project on RUclips. The two of you together the chemistry. The collaboration the knowledge this will go straight to the top, appreciate you both 👊 👊 🙏🙏
I would absolutely lie to protect someone , no question
Does money make you happy...no, only better class of emery...your health/ family first..God bless you all Mr Franzese and Mr Palmintrei..
@MichaeL_Franzese222 you / we really need a great memory if you tell lies....just to remember that lie, what happened to say you have to lie...,now, what is a lie. .do you / we lie to help a friend or lie to " play for time "
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great video of the 12 rules god bless be safe there watchen right now
Thank you! Enjoy watching!
These guys are Goated for this one
Wonderful conversation. Great analysis, thank you
I have this book. Very good book. I recommend this book to everyone. Also Jordan Peterson is conservative like me 😊
Excellent dialogue!
Thank you for a good content:)))
Still remember Chazz from Poolhall Junkies!
Amazing❤
I think that the truth can often be difficult to understand. Lies are always simple and easy
If you put yourself in the right environment you will most likely not have to lie. But I agree with you that if your in a situation you have to help a family member by lying about something small, I don’t think its immoral to lie.
If you guys could make an episode on what to do to make good money it would be greatly appreciated. I'm a young guy coming up and I don't really have any mentors in my life. Financial/Business advice from you guys on top of what you're already giving would be great. Love from NC.
As for myself its very difficult for me to get the Chicago Illinois mindset Out of my psyche I find myself still living with the same Live rules as if you will as I did in the inner city no matter where I live I think it depends upon What the lie is and the consequence of telling the falsehood You've been telling the truth it costs a man's life Who is say what would be the greater wrong Something to ponder.I believe that even though we most do are best to be Truthful there are Exceptions to the rule
The reason justice can never be blind, because it's human !!
Thank you Michael and Chaz for a great vid that is once again full of wisdom and encouragement. God Bless you both in every way👍
@Palminteri_FranzeseTherefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
II Cor. 5:17
I would love to hear you both or just Michael talk to jordan Peterson. It would be an interesting episode.
Crazy saw this 2 weeks late book was in a office I was waiting in wild
Best video ever… thank you
This is a powerful video man for real
Lying is acceptable only for protecting the ones we love
Way to end this episode with George Costanza's wisdom " it's not a lie if you believe it" I love it too much, you guys are great
Love this show.
@Palminteri_Franzese do these scams every work? I would think it would be easier to get a job.
Another great one, guys! Thank you
I hope you. Both r well
I love these cats !!!!!
Ps great video loved it.
Too complex for a young person like me to answer but empathise with both points vividly
I remember when I was kid I was born in Mexico but brought to the USA when I was 1year old and when I was 6years old we went back to visit , so when we had to comeback to USA my parents would tell me to lie to the migration officer to say “American citizen” and we would get trough but I had to lie at 6 years old to a migration officer at for a couple of years more till I was 12 and got my residence, this was back in the 90s but I’m with the Wise and Wiseguy sometimes we got to lie to get throughout life or even if it’s for someone else for a good cause I think we can lie just a little .
I love this podcast! I appreciate you both!
Half life of facts gentlemen......difference between conspiracy and reality is time, great show as always thank you !!
Thanks, great talk
It is a great book. I also agree with the both of you about lying. Sometimes you have to pick and choose when to lie. Example; WW-2, if I was hiding you in the attic and the Nazis were looking for you. I would have no problem telling them I don’t know where you are.
Amazing. Just great content as always.
I am excited. Watching from Phoenix
I'm sure you'll enjoy this episode.
The only time I can think of where lying seems fully acceptable would be if your wife or girlfriend asks you how she looks in a particular outfit and you may not personally think it looks the best on her, however it’s clear SHE really likes the way she looks in it and wants to wear it, I just can’t see any reason to tell the truth here other than just that: to tell the truth, but I see zero positive outcome from this and also zero negative outcome from lying in this scenario.
I watched the Franzese/Peterson sit down and I recall Michael bringing up the point about his son getting in trouble, and the main thing I remember Jordan pointing out is that, even if it seems you’re only protecting your son and it’s harmless, there was probably a string of lies leading up to that one, and as both Michael and Chazz pointed out here, once you’ve told the lie it can turn into a web of deceit where you have to continue to lie to cover up the previous lie(s).
Would be an interesting subject to hear these three gentlemen discuss.
You can't lie to yourself about yourself. My name is Victor, not, Victim. A Leader knows how to follow. Short term pain for long term gain. I make money, money doesn't make me. Embellishing the truth, is it a lie? Great stuff.
I believing in lying to protect those you love. For sure. Why put someone in harms way that you care about? If one is caught in a lie and it's for good reason it would be for good reason and completely understandable. People who say they would tell the truth I don't think has ever been in a situation where a loved one was put in harms way.
That 2 mob guys walk into the woods joke is a lot better than the version I heard. The version I heard was about a man and a child.😮
Great episode guys.
Awesome show 🎉love it ! Never miss a show .
3:27 , I die of laughter seriously that was funny
Fruitful Conversation !!
Sir what would be some best books to read for rising above setbacks or hard times & conquering self doubt in the face of uncertainty ??
Don't lie unless you are protecting the feelings of your wife, making peace or reconciliation amongst ppl, and if you have to lie in order to save a life.
I read that book but in spanish
Check out the link on the description, I believe there's a Spanish edition.
If other people lie about something doesn’t mean you should too. How about you be different? How about going the road less traveled? How about being leaders and men of integrity?
I wish I had been that privileged in life to never have to lie. I have only lied to help people but you are right lying is a bad idea almost always!
Pls how long will this episode be in Spotify?
It's the same length on youtube and spotify.
@@TheWiseandtheWiseguy thank you but I mean will it be uploaded in Spotify same day as RUclips?
Very fun very entertaining
"Funny how? Funny like a clown, I amuse you? Funny how" 😂
Lying (deception) is a part of Human nature, it isn't a license to lie about anything and everything but to go around thinking that no one should ever use deception is foolish.
Money will come and go.. but the things that really matter in this life doesn't cost a thing. Geeze, I thought it was just me. I have to make my bed every morning and make sure my room is clean and tidy. I'm the kind of person that everything has its place and keep things clean and tidy.
@Directmessage894 hello?
The girl friend of my best friend in Paris once said to me, you know money won't make you happy, then she said but you have to of had money to know that
Do review on rich dad poor dad
On the lieing part it reminds me of that great line, I always tell the truth even when I lie....lol on the would ya would ya not it will always depend on the situation....and who it is...thats just life...I think anyway...nothing is so cut and dry.
👀😂@1:17
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As a Muslim person, i would say it's okey sometimes to tell a lie if you helping a person.
Majority of Muslim people will say that too.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO 'The Prince' by Machiavelli
To tell a lie...( inwhich we all do now and then)...you have to have a good memory..