Bowers & Wilkins NEW 600 Series HiFi Speakers FULL DEMO Part 1 @ Bristol Show 2019
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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2019
- Welcome to Pursuit Perfect System video coverage of the Bristol HiFi Show 2019
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In this video we in the Bowers and Wilkins room we they are demonstrating the old 600 range of speakers and comparing them to the new 600 speakers with the continuum drivers.
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The songs used in this video are
Ohio [Live At Massey Hall 1971] - Neil Young
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No Love Dying - Gregory Porter
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This World - Selah Sue
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Bob Dylan - Man long black coat
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I watched this with audio playing through my 603. Had it for 2 weeks now and I absolutely adore it.
May i know.. how big is your listening room for this 603?
Next hifi show I am selling hair restorer. Great video, thanks!
You did not just go there lol
lol
I heard a few songs with 603 in person at a audio shop near my home. I was blown away. Two thumbs up. Thank you for this video.
Brilliant presentation, and great song selection, thank you 👌🏼
Always special to hear mr Young from his golden period when it all seemed so efforfless and vital , the comparison was really clever and further demonstrated refinements are audible depending on what speakers are connected .
Awesome product coverage man! Been a B&W fan for a long time. Sill have my DM601 S1, and Matrix 1 speakers. The new 600 line looks awesome, it sounds awesome also. Neil Young sounds awesome!
Love Bowers & Wilkins.😃
A very professional presentation. Congratulations
what about the quality of the video as well..... :)
Sorry !!! My congrats were for the dealer but of course you deserve the same too. Keep the good work. You have a new camera?!
@@MrSpock-bm4vm same camera more skills, I was only messing around. This is not a dealer this is Bowers themselves doing this demo
You can tell these guys know their stuff.
I prefered the sound of the old model -yes the new speaker more hi frequency detail and transparency but I find the 685s2 more listenable also the front port makes them much more versatile in placement.
On criticism of the 685 S2 was a bump in the 3k frequency range that made them come across a bit "shouty".
DSP in Roon easily fixed this and makes a good speaker great won't be upgrading anytime soon.
i really like youre channel Good job!
and the crowd goes wild .... yehhhhhh
Thanks that saved me queuing👍 Great demo. Did you get the big naim demo by any chance?
told my friend that he needed to get some real sounds , he got the 603s with a wee yamaha receiver , very jealous, they are that good
I Love Bowers Wilkins l have model 702 s2
I just purchased the old 606 yesterday.
Hi, what was the device attached at the back of the mac mini at 1:23 ?
Every demo I've seen of these of these new 600 series is phenomenal! EDIT: After hearing these in person these sound terrible. All treble, dry sounding, and fatiguing in about 15-20 minutes.
Really considering these. Currently have the elac unifi series that I've had for a few weeks but I can't help think what these would sound like in my setup instead
@@eja35oz Metallic highs, crap mids and some bass if you're lucky
I bought 606 two months ago and have to say this speakers are "Bright". After more than 100 hours of "Break In" which I played very high/low frequencies files, they sound much much better. Very clear high and mids. Bass is subtle, not punchy. Though many may not like this "New Sound". I am using NAD C368, a class D amp and going to add a Class AB power amp soon. Hoping to give more power and warmth sounding to the speakers.
Too bright that they are harsh? I felt klipsch were too bight for my sensitive ears but that I think that was due to their horn tweeter. I'm hoping that is not the case for these b&w
Haven't people always said B&W sound is bright? That wouldn't be a new thing for them? =P
I've seen frequency charts for the 603S3 and it just went up up after 10 kHz.
www.stereophile.com/images/archivesart/DM603fig4.jpg
Ok, after 11, and who knows for how long. A (tiny) bit up from 8 500-10 000 and then down, and then up again. More.
@@eja35oz My hearing isn't above 13 kHz so that may remove some harshness..
Well except for the constant ringing when the loudness isn't enough ;D
Do you still own them or do you have different speakers now?
Was it the speakers or your ears that burned in? Nothing DSP can't fix.
Have been looking around some time now for a speaker to my Hegel H80 amp. I am pretty shure it going to end up with these B&W 603 But to be honest so can I say the has been on my wishlist all the time. BTW good video review. Thanks a lot. Going to put a Node 2i for MQA coding.
I gotr myself an h90 and a pair of 603 on the way right now, did you like the combo h80 and b&w? thx
@@xarl89a
I never bought the 603 yet
I have some Sonus Faber Toy Tower om my hand.
I want to find out the option first.
I have the time to find out.
Thank you for respond.
Great test... may i know what is the size of that listening room? Does 603 required larger room?
Would like to know this
I Miss my old 1995 B&W P4s, cant find a sound as good since for the money
I still have mine. Lusting after the 603.
Are the acoustic panels used from acoustic geometry?
These speakers are must say!! WAUUUU what a great sound im thinking with a pair of b&w sub´s pv10 that will make sound a master class!!!! and at low cost
not sure if you guys cares but if you guys are bored like me during the covid times then you can watch all the latest series on Instaflixxer. I've been watching with my girlfriend for the last weeks :)
@Landyn Byron Definitely, I have been watching on Instaflixxer for years myself =)
What audio platform are they using ?? I could not understand it
So since you were there recording and hearing the speakers first hand, what were your take always of the differences? Love your videos and keep up the great work!
the difference is clear in the video in person naturally much greater. The new 600 are much clearer and cleaner sounding speakers from top to bottom.
They sound less heavy and congested which essentially means they are lower distortion speakers.
Bowers have done this without increasing the price by much which is great when you think about it
The new speakers sounds much more bright and transparent.
nice
woow the 607 sound more open and clear
Still got my cdm2,s
Would you choose 603 or 606 for a normal size loving room? around 25mt squares
sergheivelescu My 606s have absolutely no trouble filling a similar-size room, with plenty of headroom to reach hearing-damage levels and beyond (if you regrettably choose to let drunk people touch the volume at your party). That being said the floor standers will always sound better if you can stretch your budget.
ive just bought the 606s
And ? What’s your verdict?
@@arckanum332 not plugged them in yet
How much toe in should you place these 603 towers? I'm bout 7 feet away and use them 70% movies and 30% music?
eja35oz depends on the room size how close they are to the walls. Definitely experiment with tow in or tow out
0:05 Is that Amam Lanza in the front?
So paper cones are quicker and offer a seamless transition into the mid-range (@ 21:48) for the multi-way speaker, and for the two way speaker (@ 6:00) the (non paper) continuum cone offers more expression and is better?
Wouldn't the 2 way cone (operating over a greater BW) require the "fast" attributes of a paper cone as they have been described; given it must produce the mid and low range frequencies?
The paper cones are for the low end, the mid-range is still continuum.
The mid-range cone has changed from kevlar to continuum (a composite.)
The bass-range cone has changed from aluminum to paper.
As for whatever paper are better (or worse) I can't tell but I know that my 603S2 have paper so clearly they have found some reason to go with aluminum before. Then again it wouldn't surprise me if it's sometimes just marketing purposes.
You are comparing continuum vs paper something they have never done. They compared paper to aluminum. And continuum to kevlar, which on Slashgear is described with:
"Like Kevlar, Continuum uses a woven composite structure. However, B&W says that the material - which took eight years to develop - sounds better than Kevlar because its flexibility is more controlled. That way, the speaker firm says, there’s less of an abrupt shift from pistonic action to break-up."
www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1103364-anyone-else-think-paper-cone-speakers-sound-better.html
John Dunlavy if I understand correctly: "Likewise, what are often referred to as "paper cones" are not paper but a complex, proprietary blend of 'pulp, binders, carbon fibers, etc.'"
I won't read all hits: www.google.se/search?q=paper+vs+aluminum+drive
@ OK - no problems.
Jim Stanley; electronic, electrical and acoustical engineer. PhD.
@@StormCentre88 The title doesn't change that the paper cone is replacing an aluminum one whereas the continuum is replacing a Kevlar one. The reference is what was in the speakers before the new models. They haven't claimed paper are better than continuum (though feel free to question why not using the same material for everything. Then again the tweeters isn't made of the same material either so my _assumption_ would just be that some materials may be better for some frequencies or sizes or possibly be more usable to hit the price point you want to hit.
@ Fair enough.
But also nothing that you/they have said changes the fact that a driver operating over a greater BW can benefit from a lighter (paper) cone also; and there seems to be no clear test/other from B&W data on how/why the choices of differing cone material benefits each B&W speaker.
Particularly within the context the different materials offering a “seamless transition” into the mid-range (@ 21:48) for the multi-way speaker, and “more expression” (@ 6:00) for the two way speaker using the (non paper) continuum cone?
If you look at my initial comment I was basically saying/inferring how can these different materials exhibit attributes that both justify their technical use and can be explained within the contexts of “seamless transitions” and “more expression”.
I like the company B&W, but would be interested to know the technical answers to my questions.
Buena prueba para convencer a la audiencia, pero estos parlantes quedan cortas cuando se utilizan tonos graves de mayor amplitud, ese es el punto bajo.
i dunno i still prefer Bose even though lots of hate on Bose, listening through my Bose Companion 5 speakers so yea, but u chose whatever speakers u like to own peace out !
👍👍👍👍👍👍
Could you tell me what amp they were using please ?
A big rotel I can't recall the name
Pursuit Perfect System thanks for reply. Looks like a ra 1572?
I only ask as I rub 685 s2 and recently bought a nad c368 to run them. Not convinced by it yet though.
Can you recommend a better amp or is that amp more than capable?
@@fizzol12345 hard to say without some idea of budget but if you check in my channel I have reviewed a lot of different amps
Look like Rotel RA-1592
fizzol12345 B&W always use Rotel amps for demonstration
Is there noticeable difference in weight of the bass between 607 vs 606 ?
YES! Heard the 607 at the local dealer. Picked up the 606 after. I needed a bit fuller Sound
@@rasmusjensen4683 No worries I had both by now and many more ha ha
@@user-el2zj3pw5r did you at all like them? Out of interest. Some people find them too bright. Just pair them with a biiig sub and its the best of both worlds haha. I realise im late to your comment
@@rasmusjensen4683 606 were one of the better sounding speakers
Enough excitement enough everything really
One thing I didn’t like is finish
But they only cost £350 or so
I had ma gold 100 they cost £1500
And you can tell the difference in finish
But sound, yea they different and that
But 606 really does all you ever need
@@user-el2zj3pw5r yea, i’m really happy with mine. Great value for money. I have mine paired up with a PSA 15 Inch sealed sub, and for my room etc. the system sounds great
4ware - deadmau5 sounds a little sharp in the highs and unprecise in the bass
The new 606 sounds more spread out in the man's voice. The old 606 was more voice centered in focus.
that is because its layering the levels of the sound mix more on top of each other which always results in the middle of the musical image being fuller or thicker.
Better sound is more evenly balanced across the whole soundstage and that allows the soundstage to form with better clarity from left to right etc and sounds better across all music styles rather than seeming to suit some not others.
Hope that helps a bit :)
@shidunce yes there was the 606 the 606 s2 and currently the 606 anniversary edition
Can you throw a party at home with 603s for 8 hrs straight?
of course and the speakers serve you drinks as well
I’ve done it with the 606s and believe me, they had plenty of headroom to spare well past ear-ringing volumes.
Whathifi didn't review the 607 s2 they reviewed the 606 s2
They reviewed the 607 not the s2 version . They have reviewed the 606s2 . My new speakers.
An exercise in manufacturing cost cutting.
if you demo the old and the new you will hear that is very much not the case - you can even how much better the new range are from this video - thats recording 20+ feet away, in a huge room, over the top of a dyson fan blowing.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem It's totally possible to lower manufacturing cost and yet get a better result =P
.. can't they just sell upgrade kits for my 603s2s? ;D
Then again should have had the 605s... also shouldn't had listened to the store and got the 602s2 rather than 601s2 as I wanted, almost no price difference. And with stands I could just as well had gotten floor standers .. Also I thought the Dali 6006 sounded better than the B&Ws really so why did I got them in the first place?! By now I'd assume Klipsch RP600M or whatever they are called may have been more interesting? =P
Watch some hifi speaker reviews on YT. They all say the exact same thing and use the same hifi speaker buzzwords to describe their own.
this video is not a review it's a presentation being done by bowers at a hifi show
how is no one bopping along to that deadmau5 track!
The people at the back wont be able to hear the sound properly
You just can’t do this on RUclips “End of Story” . You cannot pretend the sound “quality”.
You can get an idea of the differences between the old and new Bowers 600 speakers that were demonstrated and still learn from the presentation.
Put some decent headphones on and use a half decent playback system and you can hear quite a lot considering
“Cables from Chord, so a real world scenario”? Those cables probably cost more than the speakers.
Are these still manufactured in China? If so, no thanks!
I have 606 and 606s2 . The build quality is first class.That being said , I would prefer they were made in uk like my amp .
@@itsmorphed6416 Are the s2's worth it? Considering buying them for my first system
@@louisdrums yes . But the 606 at the reduced price are better value .
Not impressed. Sounds like the voice is boxed in, no depth
Through your computer??
Phone speakers are crap ...oops your not listening through Hugh end are you? moronic
No, through my B&W performance headset. The only pair that sounds a little better is the last one, the tower
Personally I would have used a CD player or DAC as a source rather than a streaming service.
@@54788963 It's hard to get the true sound of these through a video like this, have to hear them irl.
The cables are where the sound lies. The speakers are just displaying what's coming thru
Chinese speakers no thank you 👎🏻