people who want every single piece of media to have the thematic depth of a puddle are so boring. the talented mr ripley is a banger. i love movies where everyone is objectively a terrible person and you're still invested in the story anyway. not everything has to be dora the explorer. some of us are adults who can handle dark themes.
I’d argue the ending is unique and clever, while the evil did get its triumph, Tom didn’t win. He killed the one man, a kind soul, who loved, saw, and treasured him for who he was, and enjoyed what he enjoyed, but he’s so sure no one would accept him, everyone would betray him, he ended his possibility of happiness. Don’t get me wrong, he WAS an evil person, but he suffered, the self-loath and fear inside him, was the true EVIL. He will never win this battle against it. You shouldn’t do evil things, not because you’d get judged or punished, but because that becomes a part of who you are, and to hide this evil, you locked a huge chunk of yourself away, where nobody can reach. So the movie ended with him lonely, crying. That's a sharp way to warn people of the horror of evil, you can hide from courts, and cops, but not yourself.
And who said that was what it's about? The author of the book never said that. Besides, she said it's about the triumph of evil and she loves it. End of story.
@@DemetriosLevibecause that's all you know you're just going to keep trotting out that 1 quote. I'm curious how you see the fashion industry as superior to someone like the characters depicted here? The commenter is correct, you really missed the point. Great art has so many interpretations and that's just it, a movie or story like this speaks to millions in different ways. Your video speaks to far fewer. Difference between great art and just art. Keep putting your soul into it though, I don't wanna hear none of your "whispering demons" though. Probably telling you 'it's ok that people are exploited to produce the garments you wear...'
This review sucks. The film is such a compelling account of the interplay between a narcissist and a BPD psychopath. That’s why it’s important. It’s not more stylish that Goodfellas though
That's what everybody says who disagrees with a review "tHiS rEvIeW sUcKS!! 🤬" it's nihilistic and the creator of the story is literally pro-evil. I don't give a shit what you want it to be. It is what it is.
@@DemetriosLevi100% agree. This movie left me even feeling satanic and at a lower vibration. Definitely some evil works put into this movie and I’m not for it.
@@DemetriosLevii know it might be a little complex for you, but there is a difference between pro-evil and an examination of a psychopathic psyche, and how we relate to that. ok that was condescending but i think you can afford yourself the luxury of taking the film and the book on its intended merits. saying that its evil because it makes the audience 'rejoice at the triumph of evil' is like scraping the cheese from a lasagna and assuming the rest is part of the bowl. you have made up your mind before you even thought about it. im not telling you your wrong, just that you need to think for yourself, and think a bit harder.
I’ve read all the Ripley books. Honestly, the trajectory of his character is way more interesting than what the 1999 movie suggests. The point of the books is that Tom is a psychopath who can mimic people. They barely get into that in the film. A better Ripley movie is Purple Noon, the ending for that is also different than the book. But I think you might find that ending more satisfying than the 1999 version. Also, Alain Delon makes a more stylish Ripley than Damon.
I feel like this take, though I respect it, is remarkably unenlightened. Yes she was a POS, Yes she sucked, Yes she was hateful. Of course she was! That's what it took! She is the only person who could have written the book, she's the only person who could have encapsulated it so perfectly, who would've been so entranced as to feel that Ripley was writing himself. She wrote it entirely from within, and thus, there's pure emotion there. It'd be an unbelievable shame if we were so prejudiced as to miss out on a book that is a piece of art, and which illustrates perfectly many concepts that people find enthralling, because the book was produced by a complicated individual. That's like not reading the Gallic Wars because Caesar was a conquering, enslaving warlord.
im surprised that you take the posh characature as a negative for the movie. It's one of the main glaring themes of the story where the fake and absurd reality they live in is allowing all of the craziness to unfold, because eveyone spews and buys bullshit. I agree it's obnoxious but to take it as a reason why the movie is "bad" is a bit unfortunate imo
Okay, just have to point out some things here…. A traditional story doesn’t need to have redeemable or likable characters to be good, as long as they’re relatable. The point is that there’s a Tom Ripley inside all of us, which I think is what Highsmith was trying to say in that paragraph you quoted. Secondly, Ripley doesn’t actually get away with much here considering he just had to murder the only person in the world who loved him and knows he has to go on “living in the basement.” Real life isn’t all happy endings, neatly tied up with a little bow. Thirdly, if we’re going to say art is trash because the artist was a terrible person, then we might as well throw out most of our albums, books, paintings and movies. I guess no one is allowed to read an Ernest Hemingway novel EVER again.
Thank you! I thought I was going mad reading all these comments praising this review?? Is this seriously what we’re calling film criticism nowadays? “Wah the characters are mean”. If you’re going to criticise Highsmith’s views - do that… break down her views and their relevance to the text/film. But that’s not what this review is at all. Very odd
A bit naive as a review but i liked it a lot anyways I rewatched your video, I correct myself, it’s very naive, you don’t accept even basic concepts like the separation between the artist and their art. You seem to expect a good/evil story in which good always wins without realizing that there is no such thing as a black and white world. I do like your style though PS: i have made a bit of research on her life and i must admit that even if I like the movie adaptation her whole personality is indeed abhorrent and I think most people would be quite disgusted by her. I think though that it’s unfair to penalise the movie just cause the author if the movie that inspired it is a freak
Eh. Whatever. She didn’t pay my rent. She didn’t kill my family. She only provided a kick ass story that came into a good ass movie. Mfs need to go outside and touch grass if they really can’t seperate the art from the artist. This guy narrating the video isn’t the brightest bulb in the socket you know
I have to disagree about not enjoying great art even if the artist is evil. Yes, she is clearly a terrible person who even Ayn Rand would raise her brows to- but it the art she made gives ordinary people a window into the workings of the mind of a psychopath. That may actually help save someone from being scammed or exploited or even killed! Make the art, celebrate the art, and learn to protect yourself and your family
Perhaps not so ironically, the only movie that might compete against this one for the most stylish ever was the FIRST movie adaption to the book - Alain Delon in Purple Noon ( French with English subtitles).
"You can't separate the art from the artist", every time I hear something like that it makes me laugh. If you knew what every artist or celebrity thought or believed in or supported, the entire world would be cancelled. I'm sure there is tons of stuff you do in private, or have said in the past, that someone would cancel you over too. Everything is fine until you KNOW about something bad they did, but what about all the people who created great art and did horrible things that you simply don't know about? This is why cancel culture doesn't work. You absolutely can, and should, separate the art from the artist or else one day, the world will eventually turn into a witch hunt, spying on every celebrity just so we can cancel them when they do something wrong, or retroactively cancel artists from hundreds of years ago simply for doing things that were a product of the time period in which they lived that was completely normal at the time. We are all human and we all do things that others deem inappropriate even if they are completely normal and natural to us. The only thing cancel culture does is make everyone hate each other even more at a time when unity is probably the only thing that can save us.
Having no heroes nor villains, and no good people is what make this film so intriguing, they are just people with quality and flaws, not enough to be relatable to anyone watching it. The movie has a grey, nostalgic yet so vanilla style, you get immersed in that world but not enough, due ripely being so hard to read, the dude is a clear psychopath but with emotions, he enters everyone world but the viewer can never enter his
I disagree, this movie changed my whole aesthetic and introduced me to a whole new style of film I had never watched. I still rewatch this movie at least once a year
I hope I didn't bug anybody out as this is a favorite film amongst many of my sartorial homies...I will say that the film had a phenomenal score, editing, a beautiful aesthetic, and some of the coolest outfits, but I just can't get past the edgelord who begat it lol
I disagree that it is not possible to distinguish between the art and the artist. In Hitler's case, for example, the art can be subjectively perceived as beautiful even though the artist is one of the worst people to ever walk the earth. Personally, I can find beauty in his pieces of art but the reason why they're not displayed is because of the same reason he didn't get into artschool - they're good but not great. This movie is a piece of art that can be looked at without looking at the author. The movie doesn't even represent the artist, it's just that the artist's interpretation of it is appalling. You don't have to identify with it. And even though the movie makes you feel terrible doesn't make it a bad movie. Maybe the reason it makes you feel terrible is because there's some part of you that can identify with it and it's a good thing that you recognise it as to not fall into that trap.
Have you actually read the book. It’s 9 hour audiobook on RUclips. I put it on with pretty low expectations but was amazed how good it was. It’s actually my favorite book. Her sequels aren’t good. If your willing to get past who she was as a person (which it seems you’re not) and give the audiobook a listen you might agree that it’s one of the best books ever written.
Love the video! I don’t have your research your skills, but I also wonder where Scott Fraser is getting their High Rise Pleated Trousers. Is it also from the third party source like their knit wear??
The movie felt "empty" to me too. However, the French version from the 60s is much better. Alain Delon as Tom, his charm somehow makes it work better. The style much less flamboyant but imo more stylish.
I appreciate you going hard on your opinions. I personally liked the movie a lot, I literally just finished it for the first time; I like more melancholic films where characters are complex and not virtuistic or obvious plot devices. I also subscribe to separating art from the artist, as to me the artist and their views mean nothing to me except what I take away from their work*. That said I totally get those in the other camp and would never begrudge someone with the opposite stance. Fashion-wise, damn this film was tight and I get the whole ethical dilemma, but that ties in with my feelings towards art vs artist, mixed. Which leads to: *I actively don't support artists/organisations and their work directly if I vehemently disagree with their actions and views, but I have no qualms about new work inspired by or translated by them (for example this film), as long as the new work doesn't subscribe to similar actions and views etc. ad nauseum
I didn't realise how popular it was before I'd watched it, once I did every menswear channel was suddenly shouting about it. It's an alright film, nice aesthetic to it but it's not especially consistently paced and the plot is pretty loose in places, and it isn't as stylish as people claim. I'd never heard about the original author, interesting to know. I was just reading some other articles that seem to imply it's only recently that people found her diaries and things like that.
Yeah to be real, some of the outfits are absolute bangers, but it's only a few and all from one dude who dies halfway through the film. The Gentlemen is a way more stylish film imo than this one. You're right about her diaries being a much more recent discovery, but while living she was very open about her views, which makes me wonder why people would give her the time of day
Loved the video and the conviction you expressed. Sticking to your guns in your personal belief is not a popular thing these days but thank you for your honesty. The shirt is awesome! The video is awesome!
Great video as always! I have to give you kudos for matching not only the video subject with your clothes but your scenario as well. You are a person that fully lives by our values... and your style. Rare thing nowadays.
I'm absolutely honored to hear that my friend...there's a lot more people who live it out much better than I could dream of; only difference is they're humble and quiet about it. Thank you for noticing the clothes and background harmony! It's something most people don't even catch, so I greatly appreciate your eagle eyes, brother
This was fascinating. I was always curious about the film but I was always so creeped out by it I couldn't make it thru the first few scenes.... I am in shock about the author and I was thinking it and I didn't expect u to say it but was absolutely demonic possession... so crazy how an author like her could slip through the cracks when so much was in plain sight. The shirt is sharp on you. Keep it, its wonderful. So versatile, love the styling. The film is absolutely gorgeously styled and costumed.... Italy in the 50s/60s will always be the pinnacle of inspo for me!
I love appropriating wasp style. I dress in ivy league style a little bit like this movie (navy blazers, loafers, odd trousers, classic glasses, vintage ties) I've had multiple milennials say I give off slytherin vibes because ivy style was always associated with assholes and Carlton Banks from the fresh prince of Belair. I feel kind of "punk rock" dressing this way because everyone else has graphic tees, piercings, tattoos, piercings, colored hair, etc. People assume that I have a lot of money, come from an upperclass background, went to a university, or live by the book when I came from the ghetto, dropped out of high school and spent my youth being a delinquent. I have a good paying and respectable job though, The power of clothes is undeniable.
channelling Dicky (image) and Ripley (reality) I see the whole point was his (Ripley's) appropriation to trick people via Halo Effect you're tricking people like he did hope you can see that it's still immoral, appropriation in general, whoever is doing it
@@seabreeze4559 I use the term "appropriating" tongue in cheek since in my moral framework anyone can utilize, in a hollistic manner, anything from any culture, I am from a native american and latin american background and I don't care if anyone "appropriates" things from my culture. There is nothing dishonest about my clothing, I went to the tailor with my honest money and had the garments made specifically for me, I think the clear difference is Ripley is insane and uses other peoples names and clothes where as I just get jobs I am slightly underqualified for (I never even lied about my credentials or lack thereof) and work hard to excell.
@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 I sort of do. If everyone thought my clothes sucked and I had no logical justification as to why they are wrong I would change my clothes. Most people think my clothes are great, I know because of how I got treated when my clothes sucked, it's night and day. The issue sometimes is that my clothes are too nice lol, people feel pressure around me and either think I'm rich, stuck up, or trying really hard, but once they talk to me for 5 minutes they always ask for fashion advice and gush about my wardrobe. I also, like any refined gentleman, consider the occaision for instance I wouldn't wear a dark suit to a day function unless it was winter and I sometimes skip the tie if I'm going somewhere laid back like an outdoor barbeque.
THIS! Love it! It's absolutely important how we present ourselves to the world. I always push back on the "rolled out of bed" casual culture. How is that more authentic than us dressing up? I don't believe in appropriation either. Art is everyone borrowing from everyone in a flattering way. I dress authentic to me. I respect myself and those around me enough to dress well. It's very punk rock now, you're so right.
On the topic of films and Jude law, Dumbledore's outfits in the fantastic beasts series is superb. Found myself wondering where I can find pieces from that rather than paying attention to the story
@@DemetriosLevi Trust me, it's a great film for the sartorial. Newts Peacock blue overcoat, Dumbledores grey ensemble, even Grindelwalds Gothic attire from the second film. Their attire says a lot about their characters.
I have mixed thoughts on the separation of art from artist. Chinatown had nothing to do with Polanski doing what he did, so I could watch it without feeling like I'm endorsing Polanski and his actions. The same cannot be said for Dan Schneider programs lol. Also, I'd like to suggest that you review the Kingsmen films for your next episode of film fashion critique. They're great films, they're well written, and they have a tonne of unique and brilliant outfits.
This is very interesting. I had no idea there was even a book about a character called Tom Ripley. And this man is right about the logical inconsistencies in Hollywood and in our appreciation of these things without even bothering to interrogate them. That said, I truly love the film because I feel like I can identify with the character of Tom Ripley as portrayed by Matt Damon. I'm on the autism spectrum (very late diagnosed), and I find more and more that I can identify with a lot of these disturbed characters in film. I've never even so much as fantasised about killing anyone though. The darkest fantasies that I have amount to me becoming an 8th degree blackbelt and effortlessly kung fu kicking someone like Dickie or Freddie into another dimension while everyone else watches and realises they'd be wise to stay out of my way.
The original first version of The Talented Mr. Ripley (Purple Noon) was in 1960 and had Alain Delon as Tom Ripley . Alain defined style and sexiness in Europe in the 60s... no comparison with this version .Period
I'm wondering why so many people aplauded you for this video.. Is it your shocking discovery that Ripley's story is overall a gritty psychological drama about the dark side of the human personality? Well congratulations and good morning! In fact, your words sound like a woke leftist snowflake wailing to me.. "Eeee, this story is about bad people, written by pretty evil woman!! It should be cancelled!"
I'm a real conservative, Luke, unlike you and your post-enlightenment pseudo conservative liberalism. If you actually bothered to listen, it's nihilistic (a modern, civilization destroying ideology), written by a despicable stupid atheist who literally said that the point of the story is to get people to rejoice in the triumph of evil. Why would I like a story that is literally pro-evil? You're just throwing out words like "woke, leftist, and snowflake" because you can't think for yourself; you're literally just like the idiots you criticize who do the same thing by calling people "racist, misogynists, homophobic" etc. Yeah, I'm an Orthodox Christian who hates this evil story written by someone who hates everything I stand for and is admittedly evil....wow! No shit, Sherlock. Your interpretation of the story is wrong by the author's own admission, you donkey. So what about the disgusting s*x books given to children at school which teach kids how to s*ck d*ck...you gonna call all of us stupid snowflakes for speaking out against them? By your own stupid ameba level logic, we're all leftist snowflakes because we don't like books written by p*dophiles. Congratulations, you just showed your stupidity for everyone to see.
I hate libtards and I never got that vibe from this video and it’s my very first time watching any of his work. I liked the video at around 50 seconds, it’s that good
@@DemetriosLevi That's not the response I was expecting from you. It gives me a better view of your psyche, for sure. She said nothing wrong about the Nazis, however. There is nothing wrong about racism. It's called tribalism. If you are not of my Nordic tribe; you are of no concern to me. The 1965 Hart Celler Act ruined North America. That's fact by every objective statistic.
I watched the movie for the same reasons 😂 I saw a tiny bit of the trailer bc I don’t want to see spoilers and then I was disgusted by the movie but couldn’t stop watching as I needed to know how it ended
i always find the topic of separating the art and the artist interesting. Personally I do think it’s extremely important to separate the art from the artist while still being knowledgeable on both. This film is a great example, I didn’t know the backstory behind it and i’m glad I do now because I can have more educated and nuanced conversations based around it. But the movie itself is genuinely great to me, it’s off putting and weird, with an evil undertone throughout the whole thing. It showed me a side of movies and humanity I hadn’t been very familiar with but that is VERY real throughout our world. Stories like these are just to me about broken people navigating a broken world, and I do genuinely find that compelling. I can learn from that and use the themes throughout my own stories while COMPLETELY separating the author from those ideas. I think we should all do that more but i’m curious to hear your thoughts on it
Nice job bro… not often do I watch a video and want to subscribe because I thought the video was excellent and liked the person, but with this video I did
This video was a very interesting watch, I was blown away by the quality of the content and the editing, I seriously thought you had at least 500k subscribers. I have a few questions, are you (Eastern) Orthodox Christian? Or did I misunderstand something? And also, are you familiar with the French 1960 version "Plein Soleil"? I watched this one and the "feeling/vibe" was completely different, and (spoilers) Ripley actually gets arrested in the end and the whole movie feels way less nihilistic and dark. I was also shocked to learn about the writer, but again, you can tell by the pictures she looks.... not okay.
@@DemetriosLevi Well...you know in what sense I meant """"addicted"""" hahaha Anyway, keep up the great work, all your videos are unbelievably well made, I still trust RUclips will give you the recognition you deserve, even more if we keep on recommending your content to others! I'm sure a lot of people here in my country (Brazil) could make good use of it...
I don't think he was right but neither are you. The movie was good. But just good. It meanders and doesn't build up much. Apart from the scene with the dad impersonation, there isn't much impressive about his impersonations. And nearly all the characters except Tom and Dickie are flat.
That statement generally presupposes that the accuser is brighter than the accused. If that was true then you likely would have given some actual reasons why...otherwise, it looks like projection. L
@@DemetriosLevi if you really want a detailed analysis I could be persuaded to write one. I'm guessing you do since you came back and edited your comment as if to beat your insecurity that you're a dummy.
I have NO idea how I'm just now finding your channel.. I'm in love with your insights, videography, and style. And you're unashamedly Christian? Based. Godspeed, my new Italian internet friend.
The style? Impeccable mid-century. The novel/film? Never could get into it. My personal taste runs toward Agatha Christie, especially Poirot, for the exact opposite reasons that Highsmith wrote Ripley. But the shirt? Snappy. Very. Snappy.
And Then There Were None. No one was caught. Everything went according to plan. Dead ends for every one. Murder of Roger Ackroyd. Sure it ended well, but for the whole thing, the reader is inside the murderer's head.
Yeah no. I'd rather of ignored the whole idea but as I already said, I bought the shirt specifically for the video and needed something published, so this was it. I was expecting more backlash honestly. You throw the words "virtue signal" around like goobers who throw the word n@zi and r@cist like it's free candy.
@@DemetriosLevi The video seems to exclusively serve the purpose of patting yourself on the back .You could have simply scratched the idea completely instead of teasing your audience with what could have been.
it is a masterpiece, the cinematic playing with shadows and reflections, the drooped hints and the suspense, I don't know what a good movie exactly means to you? shocking scenes? saturated film? and also I don't know why people prefer Delan Alain's film over the 1999 one, which is more cinematic, the plot more intelligent, and Damion Ripley appears way more psychopath than Alain Ripley, and the scene when he mimics dickie father was somewhat eerie
you should definitely watch broey deschanel's video on saltburn and the talented mr ripley and you will have a much clearer idea on why it's hailed as a masterpiece.
Nahh, keep wearing the shirt, it’s great. Didn’t know that about the film. But never liked that one anyways. Back to the shirt: have to look into it more, Finally. It’s summer. Cheers mate, have a nice Sunday 🙏🏻
I absolutely will man! It's my favorite summer shirt and I've been wearing it probably a bit too much if I'm being honest...I gotta be careful I don't tear it or something Cheers mate!
It does matter because the telos/final cause/reason of the art is the glorification of evil as she said so herself, and if you read people thoughts on the books and films of this story who actually liked it, her goal was successful. The question is _why_ should one like this particular art? If I had a painting of a infant getting r***d, merely saying I like it would not be satisfactory to anybody as it shouldn't be. You'd ask me why I like that enough to hang it on my wall? People like art for actual reasons...it's not some arbitrary thing where we like it for no apparent reason.
@@DemetriosLevi Well said. We always have reasons for why we appreciate things; there are aspects that appeal. With a story like this, one could appreciate a certain *telling* of the narrative. But then you have to ask yourself, given the facts, "Does this require me to overlook anything? What for?"It is never a closed question whether one is or not, or what the harm in that is (consequentially speaking or deontologically)
That's a very narrow-minded view of art. First of all, whether the quote says what you think it says is debatable. I don't read it as her celebrating evil, she just describes what she wanted to do in her book. You don't need to be evil or glorify evil to want to write a story where the bad triumphs over the good and where the reader is invited to feel for the villain. There are tons of stories like that written by less problematic authors than Highsmith. But even if Patricia Highsmith was a psychopath who wrote this story to celebrate psychopaths, it still doesn't say anything about the quality of the work of art. I don't think that the book is a masterpiece on the level of Dostoevsky or Shakespeare but it's a very good book that shows some psychological insight into people like Ripley. A lot of great artists were terrible people. Caravaggio was a murderer, Wagner a raging antisemite, the great writers of antiquity were slave owners, Dickens hated women, Solzhenitsyn committed rape during the second world war, Ezra Pound was a fascist, etc. The list goes on and on. I love Virginia Woolf for example but she hated Jews and thought disabled people should be killed. In some of these cases you have to account for the historical context, in others the artists were just assholes. I don't think we should ignore their failings, we should definitely talk about them. But we also shouldn't throw out large parts of the canon of great art for moralistic reasons. Terrible people can create incredibly insightful works of art that can help us reach a deeper understanding of the world and of ourselves. Should we stop reading the Iliad because of the horribly outdated moral philosophy underpinning it? We'd have to throw large parts of the world's cultural heritage on the trash heap. The better solution would be a nuanced approach to these problematic artists. Of course things are a bit more complicated if the artist is still alive. I will never pay money for a Polanski movie because I think he should be in prison. But I do still watch The Pianist every now and again because Polanski being a rapist doesn't change the fact that it's one of the best Holocaust movies ever made. It tells an important story that can help people understand the horrors of the genocide and make them more vigilant. I've got the movie on my hard drive and I've never paid for it, so I'm fine with watching it.
I wholeheartedly agree and blown away by someone standing up for ideas and virtues that will preserve ones own heart and the soul of civilisation. Nihilism is a despicable disease on society and the soul.
This movie reminds me of fight club, there will be blood, and American psycho. It shows the corruptive side of modern American society. I like this movie especially because it shows that corruptive side in young 20 something year olds.
Maybe this woman was evil and crazy -- it sounds like she was. And maybe the book, which I haven't read, so I can't say, proports the same message. So what? A work of art is does not have moral weight. There's no such thing as a morally evil story, series of notes, or paintbrush strokes. A piece of art can absolutely represent an evil idea, but that doesn't make the work itself evil. Same with the film. If course, the character of Ripley is a bad guy. So? A story can be about anything. It causes no harm to those who watch it, and it doesn't violate any moral duty or social function. I just don't see what the point if this is. Also, regarding Hitler's artwork, I wouldn't have any qualms about hanging any paintings by him in my house, though I won't because I don't like any that much. I do have Bacon's three studies up though, which, by the sounds of it, you would probably call demonic too. They depict unaturally contorted bodies of bizzare creatures, and the painter was a gay masochist. I can't imagine limiting my enjoyment of art by something as arbitrary as whether the political or social views of the artist align with my own.
First, thank you for being civil about your disagreement and actually reasoning your way through this. "And maybe the book, which I haven't read, so I can't say, proports the same message." It does indeed. She said that about the book decades before the film existed. "So what? A work of art is does not have moral weight. There's no such thing as a morally evil story, series of notes, or paintbrush strokes." This is where we have a huge difference in our respective paradigms. The idea that the physical work is evil is a gnostic view, which I do not hold, but it's also equally gnostic to believe that because the physical material isn't inherently evil than the work has no morality aka good or evil attached to it. I'm not a materialist or a gnostic: I'm an Orthodox Christian, which I know you're familiar with, aderfe. The spirit of the work is important because I believe that the spirit of something, the principality of a thing, is equal to the material/physical importance which is not involved in any dialectical tension. "A story can be about anything. It causes no harm to those who watch it, and it doesn't violate any moral duty or social function." But it does. Any artist knows that art influences people to some degree, it's one of the reasons why we create art. It's healing or damaging. What do you think propaganda is? It's exactly that: works of art that influence your thinking in a subtle way most people don't catch. "Also, regarding Hitler's artwork, I wouldn't have any qualms about hanging any paintings by him in my house, though I won't because I don't like any that much." I will admit that the Hitler example was faulty in its logic. I honestly wish I would have caught that sooner because I would have removed that bit. "I can't imagine limiting my enjoyment of art by something as arbitrary as whether the political or social views of the artist align with my own." I can't either, because I also do not believe in this. 99% of the art I enjoy are made by people who likely would hate my views both politically and social. That's not the issue. It's the SPIRIT and the MEANING, the INTENT of the art. Is the purpose of the art meant to push evil? If yes, than why would I participate? This shouldn't be hard to comprehend. You cannot separate the art from the artist, but people aren't black and white, we're complex and grey. Mozart was kind of a degenerate person in his personal life, but his art reflected the best of him and what he wanted to show. To be completely honest with you, Bacon's lifestyle is very apparent in his art. It reflects his mind and comes as no surprise. Here's a question: if there was a pro-pεdoρhilε movie that was for the purpose of convincing people to be pro-pεdoρhilic, would you be ok with enjoying it? My question would be _why_ are you watching it? Most people seem not to answer the "why" to things they enjoy that are disturbing. I look forward to your response
@@DemetriosLevi Hello man, thanks for the response and for being so polite. Also, it's cool to see an Orthodox Christian in the English speaking world, most of the Orthodox people I know are either Greek or Russian. Maybe I should clarify my point, because, as you stated your position, I would agree with it. I don't disagree that if the purpose of something is evil, if there is no value to something outside promoting immorality, then it should be avoided. Engaging with this kind of thing, unless adequately prepared, is most likely detrimental to your soul, and in most cases ought not be engaged with. For example, there is a book titled "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race", which is something like a manifesto for absolute nihilism and existential despair. It promotes the idea that nothing matters, it makes no difference if you kill yourself, and that suicide is actually almost a moral good because Nothingness is preferable to Being. (The book doesn't really make this a moral point per say, because the author denies morality, but you get what I mean.) My opinion is this book should be avoided, and probably, in an ideal world, banned. It has nothing to contribute except destruction. The difference between The Talented Mr. Ripley and this book is that, even if there is some underlying unethical spirit or essence to this book/film, it can nevertheless be enjoyed as a work of art. It can teach us about the extent of human depravity, inspire us with its aesthetic beauty (as you demonstrated in your video), and create many feelings of empathy within us -- empathy towards the main character - who, instead of simply evil, we can see as the product of a sick society - and empathy for the poor souls he tortures. In general, I don't see evil as its own entity. And if you study Orthodox theology, you will see this point affirmed. The Orthodox church firmly holds the non-substantiality of evil. Evil is not a substance, but the act of turning away from God. As such, Ripley, despite what the author thinks about the character, is not evil but misguided. In this way, the character is not, as the author thought, the triumph of evil, but the tragedy of evil. In the film this is exemplified by the final scene, which is interestingly not shown, but only overheard. Ripley murders his lover, seemingly for no reason, even after he has escaped the problems of the past murders and escaped the law. All the while he is crying. This is what the character is really about. He is the image of the absolute tragedy that defines a soul which has strayed from God. Crying, unable to do anything but destroy those around him.
You know, I just recently saw this movie, and I was also taken in by the visuals, and the Italian version of "Wanna be Americano" and all that. But by the end, I felt that we were too drawn into the Ripley character. Alfred Hitchcock said (paraphrase, it's been years) that when you watch Norman Bates watching the car sink into the swamp, and it hesitates and he gets anxious, you unconsciously identify with him even though he's a criminal. That x 100 with Ripley. I appreciate this back story it really resonates with the sh*tswamp that Hollywood has really been that has scammed us for so long.
“I’m not gonna give the book or movie a fair shot because the person who wrote it was evil. So, it’s bad, cuz I’m a Christian. But buy the shirt, cuz I’m a faggot 😍 look at the stripes!” - Levi
The comments on this thread are far more interesting than the characters in the film. Never would have guessed that your take would be so polarizing. Turns out that if you ever want to summon hordes of sociopaths,racists, and anti-semites, simply criticize fantastic Mr. Ripley
"to feast on those dark thoughts that demons whisper in our ears" - If that's how you "rationalize" your inner thoughts then you sound more lost and unaware than anyone. Great art takes all forms and there's a reason this movie and the books speak to millions. And there's a reason your thoughts only speak to a few thousand. Reality is it's a great and compelling story with a stellar cast, score and script. You're confusing reality with fiction. She isn't this movie personified, no matter how much you'd like people to believe it. I'm as horrified as anyone by her backward and awful views. The world's just not as simple as you'd have it. Now go mute the demons whispering in your ear and try the new netflix series 'Ripley'. It's not as good as this movie but it's visually stunning and has it's own place in telling this story. You'll love it (if you stop listening to those whispering demons you apparently hear, yikes!) On another subject how about the fashion industry! How is the fashion industry treating we common folk that mass produce for the upper, middle classes and poor folk all the same? ... Yeah, that's what i thought
people who want every single piece of media to have the thematic depth of a puddle are so boring. the talented mr ripley is a banger. i love movies where everyone is objectively a terrible person and you're still invested in the story anyway. not everything has to be dora the explorer. some of us are adults who can handle dark themes.
did we watch the same movie?
I think not, it's a brilliant movie!
EXACTLY!!!!!! The film is a MASTERPIECE!!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏
I disagree. One of my favorite movies. Great production and story. Didn't give much attention to the style in clothing. Also great acting.
Exactly this guys just yapping about non sense. Bro is never going to hit a million subs 😂
Worst takes in the academic/fashion lane.
the movie was eye candy. it has a weird mood but i like it. i watch it every couple years.
O..... K....... Check in with a psychiatrist in between
@@Gaia369nothing about watching a movie requires them to get psychiatric help. You need to get off your high horse
totally agree
I don't know what are you talking about!! This was a hell of a movie and it was AWSOME!!!!
When I saw this as a late teenager with my no style my brain fucking exploded because I never knew you could look so casually elegant in hot weather
Yee
I’d argue the ending is unique and clever, while the evil did get its triumph, Tom didn’t win.
He killed the one man, a kind soul, who loved, saw, and treasured him for who he was, and enjoyed what he enjoyed, but he’s so sure no one would accept him, everyone would betray him, he ended his possibility of happiness.
Don’t get me wrong, he WAS an evil person, but he suffered, the self-loath and fear inside him, was the true EVIL. He will never win this battle against it.
You shouldn’t do evil things, not because you’d get judged or punished, but because that becomes a part of who you are, and to hide this evil, you locked a huge chunk of yourself away, where nobody can reach.
So the movie ended with him lonely, crying.
That's a sharp way to warn people of the horror of evil, you can hide from courts, and cops, but not yourself.
You completely missed the point of the film, making fun of the culture I think. Similar to American Psycho.
And who said that was what it's about? The author of the book never said that. Besides, she said it's about the triumph of evil and she loves it. End of story.
@@DemetriosLeviyou’re an idiot
@@DemetriosLevibecause that's all you know you're just going to keep trotting out that 1 quote.
I'm curious how you see the fashion industry as superior to someone like the characters depicted here? The commenter is correct, you really missed the point. Great art has so many interpretations and that's just it, a movie or story like this speaks to millions in different ways. Your video speaks to far fewer. Difference between great art and just art. Keep putting your soul into it though, I don't wanna hear none of your "whispering demons" though. Probably telling you 'it's ok that people are exploited to produce the garments you wear...'
This review sucks. The film is such a compelling account of the interplay between a narcissist and a BPD psychopath. That’s why it’s important. It’s not more stylish that Goodfellas though
That's what everybody says who disagrees with a review "tHiS rEvIeW sUcKS!! 🤬" it's nihilistic and the creator of the story is literally pro-evil. I don't give a shit what you want it to be. It is what it is.
@@DemetriosLevi100% agree. This movie left me even feeling satanic and at a lower vibration. Definitely some evil works put into this movie and I’m not for it.
@@DemetriosLevi oh don't be such a fucking crybaby
@@DemetriosLevii know it might be a little complex for you, but there is a difference between pro-evil and an examination of a psychopathic psyche, and how we relate to that. ok that was condescending but i think you can afford yourself the luxury of taking the film and the book on its intended merits. saying that its evil because it makes the audience 'rejoice at the triumph of evil' is like scraping the cheese from a lasagna and assuming the rest is part of the bowl. you have made up your mind before you even thought about it. im not telling you your wrong, just that you need to think for yourself, and think a bit harder.
@@Lsviolanah bruh there’s something wrong with you
I’ve read all the Ripley books. Honestly, the trajectory of his character is way more interesting than what the 1999 movie suggests. The point of the books is that Tom is a psychopath who can mimic people. They barely get into that in the film. A better Ripley movie is Purple Noon, the ending for that is also different than the book. But I think you might find that ending more satisfying than the 1999 version. Also, Alain Delon makes a more stylish Ripley than Damon.
I feel like this take, though I respect it, is remarkably unenlightened.
Yes she was a POS, Yes she sucked, Yes she was hateful. Of course she was! That's what it took!
She is the only person who could have written the book, she's the only person who could have encapsulated it so perfectly, who would've been so entranced as to feel that Ripley was writing himself. She wrote it entirely from within, and thus, there's pure emotion there.
It'd be an unbelievable shame if we were so prejudiced as to miss out on a book that is a piece of art, and which illustrates perfectly many concepts that people find enthralling, because the book was produced by a complicated individual.
That's like not reading the Gallic Wars because Caesar was a conquering, enslaving warlord.
im surprised that you take the posh characature as a negative for the movie. It's one of the main glaring themes of the story where the fake and absurd reality they live in is allowing all of the craziness to unfold, because eveyone spews and buys bullshit. I agree it's obnoxious but to take it as a reason why the movie is "bad" is a bit unfortunate imo
Okay, just have to point out some things here…. A traditional story doesn’t need to have redeemable or likable characters to be good, as long as they’re relatable. The point is that there’s a Tom Ripley inside all of us, which I think is what Highsmith was trying to say in that paragraph you quoted.
Secondly, Ripley doesn’t actually get away with much here considering he just had to murder the only person in the world who loved him and knows he has to go on “living in the basement.” Real life isn’t all happy endings, neatly tied up with a little bow.
Thirdly, if we’re going to say art is trash because the artist was a terrible person, then we might as well throw out most of our albums, books, paintings and movies. I guess no one is allowed to read an Ernest Hemingway novel EVER again.
Thank you! I thought I was going mad reading all these comments praising this review?? Is this seriously what we’re calling film criticism nowadays? “Wah the characters are mean”. If you’re going to criticise Highsmith’s views - do that… break down her views and their relevance to the text/film. But that’s not what this review is at all. Very odd
A bit naive as a review but i liked it a lot anyways
I rewatched your video, I correct myself, it’s very naive, you don’t accept even basic concepts like the separation between the artist and their art. You seem to expect a good/evil story in which good always wins without realizing that there is no such thing as a black and white world. I do like your style though
PS: i have made a bit of research on her life and i must admit that even if I like the movie adaptation her whole personality is indeed abhorrent and I think most people would be quite disgusted by her. I think though that it’s unfair to penalise the movie just cause the author if the movie that inspired it is a freak
Eh. Whatever. She didn’t pay my rent. She didn’t kill my family. She only provided a kick ass story that came into a good ass movie. Mfs need to go outside and touch grass if they really can’t seperate the art from the artist.
This guy narrating the video isn’t the brightest bulb in the socket you know
What a bad review of a film. Inserting your own personal beliefs into an “objective” review of a film, me very sadge, expected better 😢
How objective can reviews of works of art be? Only to a certain degree. But I do agree he overdid it a bit. :)
I have to disagree about not enjoying great art even if the artist is evil. Yes, she is clearly a terrible person who even Ayn Rand would raise her brows to- but it the art she made gives ordinary people a window into the workings of the mind of a psychopath. That may actually help save someone from being scammed or exploited or even killed! Make the art, celebrate the art, and learn to protect yourself and your family
Perhaps not so ironically, the only movie that might compete against this one for the most stylish ever was the FIRST movie adaption to the book - Alain Delon in Purple Noon ( French with English subtitles).
Plein soleil
Thats what i was gonna say. Purple noon is stylish af and Alain Delon was too gorgeous. Just a beauty.
She could not publish in US she was banned. She had to move to England and then published there. I think Mr Ripley was her.
100% agree
"You can't separate the art from the artist", every time I hear something like that it makes me laugh. If you knew what every artist or celebrity thought or believed in or supported, the entire world would be cancelled. I'm sure there is tons of stuff you do in private, or have said in the past, that someone would cancel you over too. Everything is fine until you KNOW about something bad they did, but what about all the people who created great art and did horrible things that you simply don't know about? This is why cancel culture doesn't work. You absolutely can, and should, separate the art from the artist or else one day, the world will eventually turn into a witch hunt, spying on every celebrity just so we can cancel them when they do something wrong, or retroactively cancel artists from hundreds of years ago simply for doing things that were a product of the time period in which they lived that was completely normal at the time. We are all human and we all do things that others deem inappropriate even if they are completely normal and natural to us. The only thing cancel culture does is make everyone hate each other even more at a time when unity is probably the only thing that can save us.
Having no heroes nor villains, and no good people is what make this film so intriguing, they are just people with quality and flaws, not enough to be relatable to anyone watching it. The movie has a grey, nostalgic yet so vanilla style, you get immersed in that world but not enough, due ripely being so hard to read, the dude is a clear psychopath but with emotions, he enters everyone world but the viewer can never enter his
I disagree, this movie changed my whole aesthetic and introduced me to a whole new style of film I had never watched. I still rewatch this movie at least once a year
This is one of the greatest mystery thrillers of all time! I love the sarcasm you used to review this movie!
I hope I didn't bug anybody out as this is a favorite film amongst many of my sartorial homies...I will say that the film had a phenomenal score, editing, a beautiful aesthetic, and some of the coolest outfits, but I just can't get past the edgelord who begat it lol
I disagree that it is not possible to distinguish between the art and the artist. In Hitler's case, for example, the art can be subjectively perceived as beautiful even though the artist is one of the worst people to ever walk the earth. Personally, I can find beauty in his pieces of art but the reason why they're not displayed is because of the same reason he didn't get into artschool - they're good but not great.
This movie is a piece of art that can be looked at without looking at the author. The movie doesn't even represent the artist, it's just that the artist's interpretation of it is appalling. You don't have to identify with it. And even though the movie makes you feel terrible doesn't make it a bad movie. Maybe the reason it makes you feel terrible is because there's some part of you that can identify with it and it's a good thing that you recognise it as to not fall into that trap.
Have you actually read the book. It’s 9 hour audiobook on RUclips. I put it on with pretty low expectations but was amazed how good it was. It’s actually my favorite book. Her sequels aren’t good. If your willing to get past who she was as a person (which it seems you’re not) and give the audiobook a listen you might agree that it’s one of the best books ever written.
Love the video! I don’t have your research your skills, but I also wonder where Scott Fraser is getting their High Rise Pleated Trousers. Is it also from the third party source like their knit wear??
Bro this felt like just a reminder of all the stuff we've been thinking about just throw in a style lesson 😂
It absolutely is hahaha!
The movie felt "empty" to me too. However, the French version from the 60s is much better. Alain Delon as Tom, his charm somehow makes it work better. The style much less flamboyant but imo more stylish.
Ripley was punished, he's in Hell of a kind. Or at least Purgatory. It's just very sunny.
I appreciate you going hard on your opinions. I personally liked the movie a lot, I literally just finished it for the first time; I like more melancholic films where characters are complex and not virtuistic or obvious plot devices.
I also subscribe to separating art from the artist, as to me the artist and their views mean nothing to me except what I take away from their work*. That said I totally get those in the other camp and would never begrudge someone with the opposite stance.
Fashion-wise, damn this film was tight and I get the whole ethical dilemma, but that ties in with my feelings towards art vs artist, mixed. Which leads to:
*I actively don't support artists/organisations and their work directly if I vehemently disagree with their actions and views, but I have no qualms about new work inspired by or translated by them (for example this film), as long as the new work doesn't subscribe to similar actions and views etc. ad nauseum
Agree with everything u said!
I didn't realise how popular it was before I'd watched it, once I did every menswear channel was suddenly shouting about it. It's an alright film, nice aesthetic to it but it's not especially consistently paced and the plot is pretty loose in places, and it isn't as stylish as people claim.
I'd never heard about the original author, interesting to know. I was just reading some other articles that seem to imply it's only recently that people found her diaries and things like that.
Yeah to be real, some of the outfits are absolute bangers, but it's only a few and all from one dude who dies halfway through the film. The Gentlemen is a way more stylish film imo than this one.
You're right about her diaries being a much more recent discovery, but while living she was very open about her views, which makes me wonder why people would give her the time of day
Loved the video and the conviction you expressed. Sticking to your guns in your personal belief is not a popular thing these days but thank you for your honesty. The shirt is awesome! The video is awesome!
Thank you dad!!
@@DemetriosLeviI understand your hate but not every story needs a good guy
Great video as always! I have to give you kudos for matching not only the video subject with your clothes but your scenario as well. You are a person that fully lives by our values... and your style. Rare thing nowadays.
I'm absolutely honored to hear that my friend...there's a lot more people who live it out much better than I could dream of; only difference is they're humble and quiet about it.
Thank you for noticing the clothes and background harmony! It's something most people don't even catch, so I greatly appreciate your eagle eyes, brother
Nice to hear your opinions! I also agree that artists and art are connected. Loved the video
I appreciate greatly my dude! Thank you so much
This was fascinating. I was always curious about the film but I was always so creeped out by it I couldn't make it thru the first few scenes.... I am in shock about the author and I was thinking it and I didn't expect u to say it but was absolutely demonic possession... so crazy how an author like her could slip through the cracks when so much was in plain sight. The shirt is sharp on you. Keep it, its wonderful. So versatile, love the styling. The film is absolutely gorgeously styled and costumed.... Italy in the 50s/60s will always be the pinnacle of inspo for me!
Jude law have a tier high Class face
I love appropriating wasp style. I dress in ivy league style a little bit like this movie (navy blazers, loafers, odd trousers, classic glasses, vintage ties) I've had multiple milennials say I give off slytherin vibes because ivy style was always associated with assholes and Carlton Banks from the fresh prince of Belair. I feel kind of "punk rock" dressing this way because everyone else has graphic tees, piercings, tattoos, piercings, colored hair, etc. People assume that I have a lot of money, come from an upperclass background, went to a university, or live by the book when I came from the ghetto, dropped out of high school and spent my youth being a delinquent. I have a good paying and respectable job though, The power of clothes is undeniable.
channelling Dicky (image) and Ripley (reality) I see
the whole point was his (Ripley's) appropriation to trick people via Halo Effect
you're tricking people like he did
hope you can see that
it's still immoral, appropriation in general, whoever is doing it
@@seabreeze4559 I use the term "appropriating" tongue in cheek since in my moral framework anyone can utilize, in a hollistic manner, anything from any culture, I am from a native american and latin american background and I don't care if anyone "appropriates" things from my culture. There is nothing dishonest about my clothing, I went to the tailor with my honest money and had the garments made specifically for me, I think the clear difference is Ripley is insane and uses other peoples names and clothes where as I just get jobs I am slightly underqualified for (I never even lied about my credentials or lack thereof) and work hard to excell.
Who cares what they say
@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 I sort of do. If everyone thought my clothes sucked and I had no logical justification as to why they are wrong I would change my clothes. Most people think my clothes are great, I know because of how I got treated when my clothes sucked, it's night and day. The issue sometimes is that my clothes are too nice lol, people feel pressure around me and either think I'm rich, stuck up, or trying really hard, but once they talk to me for 5 minutes they always ask for fashion advice and gush about my wardrobe. I also, like any refined gentleman, consider the occaision for instance I wouldn't wear a dark suit to a day function unless it was winter and I sometimes skip the tie if I'm going somewhere laid back like an outdoor barbeque.
THIS! Love it! It's absolutely important how we present ourselves to the world. I always push back on the "rolled out of bed" casual culture. How is that more authentic than us dressing up? I don't believe in appropriation either. Art is everyone borrowing from everyone in a flattering way. I dress authentic to me. I respect myself and those around me enough to dress well. It's very punk rock now, you're so right.
it's not the best film ever made but still a quite good one
I just want to say I appreciate your backgrounds, they are exactly thoughtful as your wardrobe.
Ay, I really appreciate that! Most people don't notice or realize how important set design is or just the backdrops in general
On the topic of films and Jude law, Dumbledore's outfits in the fantastic beasts series is superb. Found myself wondering where I can find pieces from that rather than paying attention to the story
I'll have to check it out then! Didn't know it was a stylish film but always good to hear
@@DemetriosLevi Trust me, it's a great film for the sartorial. Newts Peacock blue overcoat, Dumbledores grey ensemble, even Grindelwalds Gothic attire from the second film. Their attire says a lot about their characters.
I hated the movie. Hated the book even more. But the style is on point and your video, as always, is on point too.
My sentiments exactly...glad to know I'm not the only one who can appreciate the style but not the film itself!
I have mixed thoughts on the separation of art from artist. Chinatown had nothing to do with Polanski doing what he did, so I could watch it without feeling like I'm endorsing Polanski and his actions. The same cannot be said for Dan Schneider programs lol.
Also, I'd like to suggest that you review the Kingsmen films for your next episode of film fashion critique. They're great films, they're well written, and they have a tonne of unique and brilliant outfits.
I prefer the movie version of this story with Alain Delon.
Plein Soleil is a great movie.
I liked the film. Tom was pretty relatable.
Wtf what a coincidence that I watched this film last week on Netflix randomly and now you make a video about it revealing shit I had no clue about
Funny when something like that happens...something similar happened to me a few weeks ago
Great movie
This is very interesting. I had no idea there was even a book about a character called Tom Ripley. And this man is right about the logical inconsistencies in Hollywood and in our appreciation of these things without even bothering to interrogate them. That said, I truly love the film because I feel like I can identify with the character of Tom Ripley as portrayed by Matt Damon. I'm on the autism spectrum (very late diagnosed), and I find more and more that I can identify with a lot of these disturbed characters in film. I've never even so much as fantasised about killing anyone though. The darkest fantasies that I have amount to me becoming an 8th degree blackbelt and effortlessly kung fu kicking someone like Dickie or Freddie into another dimension while everyone else watches and realises they'd be wise to stay out of my way.
There’s no likable characters? Ok dude. Go watch the summer I turn pretty and shut up. This is one of the greatest movies of all time
The original first version of The Talented Mr. Ripley (Purple Noon) was in 1960 and had Alain Delon as Tom Ripley .
Alain defined style and sexiness in Europe in the 60s... no comparison with this version .Period
I'm wondering why so many people aplauded you for this video..
Is it your shocking discovery that Ripley's story is overall a gritty psychological drama about the dark side of the human personality?
Well congratulations and good morning!
In fact, your words sound like a woke leftist snowflake wailing to me..
"Eeee, this story is about bad people, written by pretty evil woman!! It should be cancelled!"
I'm a real conservative, Luke, unlike you and your post-enlightenment pseudo conservative liberalism.
If you actually bothered to listen, it's nihilistic (a modern, civilization destroying ideology), written by a despicable stupid atheist who literally said that the point of the story is to get people to rejoice in the triumph of evil. Why would I like a story that is literally pro-evil?
You're just throwing out words like "woke, leftist, and snowflake" because you can't think for yourself; you're literally just like the idiots you criticize who do the same thing by calling people "racist, misogynists, homophobic" etc.
Yeah, I'm an Orthodox Christian who hates this evil story written by someone who hates everything I stand for and is admittedly evil....wow! No shit, Sherlock. Your interpretation of the story is wrong by the author's own admission, you donkey.
So what about the disgusting s*x books given to children at school which teach kids how to s*ck d*ck...you gonna call all of us stupid snowflakes for speaking out against them? By your own stupid ameba level logic, we're all leftist snowflakes because we don't like books written by p*dophiles.
Congratulations, you just showed your stupidity for everyone to see.
couldn't agree more Lucas
Totally what i was thinking
I hate libtards and I never got that vibe from this video and it’s my very first time watching any of his work. I liked the video at around 50 seconds, it’s that good
@@DemetriosLevi That's not the response I was expecting from you. It gives me a better view of your psyche, for sure. She said nothing wrong about the Nazis, however. There is nothing wrong about racism. It's called tribalism. If you are not of my Nordic tribe; you are of no concern to me. The 1965 Hart Celler Act ruined North America. That's fact by every objective statistic.
Jude Law was such a stud in that.
I watched purple noon
I watched the movie for the same reasons 😂 I saw a tiny bit of the trailer bc I don’t want to see spoilers and then I was disgusted by the movie but couldn’t stop watching as I needed to know how it ended
Bro it's why I was able to finish it too 😂
i always find the topic of separating the art and the artist interesting. Personally I do think it’s extremely important to separate the art from the artist while still being knowledgeable on both. This film is a great example, I didn’t know the backstory behind it and i’m glad I do now because I can have more educated and nuanced conversations based around it. But the movie itself is genuinely great to me, it’s off putting and weird, with an evil undertone throughout the whole thing. It showed me a side of movies and humanity I hadn’t been very familiar with but that is VERY real throughout our world. Stories like these are just to me about broken people navigating a broken world, and I do genuinely find that compelling. I can learn from that and use the themes throughout my own stories while COMPLETELY separating the author from those ideas. I think we should all do that more but i’m curious to hear your thoughts on it
Nice job bro… not often do I watch a video and want to subscribe because I thought the video was excellent and liked the person, but with this video I did
it was great movie no idea what you saw
This video was a very interesting watch, I was blown away by the quality of the content and the editing, I seriously thought you had at least 500k subscribers.
I have a few questions, are you (Eastern) Orthodox Christian? Or did I misunderstand something? And also, are you familiar with the French 1960 version "Plein Soleil"? I watched this one and the "feeling/vibe" was completely different, and (spoilers) Ripley actually gets arrested in the end and the whole movie feels way less nihilistic and dark.
I was also shocked to learn about the writer, but again, you can tell by the pictures she looks.... not okay.
Oh my, he's back!
I just found your channel and now I'm addicted to it
One of the very few times I can say I'm absolutely honored that my work is your addiction hahaha!
@@DemetriosLevi Well...you know in what sense I meant """"addicted"""" hahaha
Anyway, keep up the great work, all your videos are unbelievably well made, I still trust RUclips will give you the recognition you deserve, even more if we keep on recommending your content to others!
I'm sure a lot of people here in my country (Brazil) could make good use of it...
I completely disagree. It's a fantastic movie with fantastic characters. Only thing I agree with is that it has great style.
It’s one of my guilty pleasures. The Way We Were is another.
Bro legit called one of the best movies ever made not one of the best movies ever made lmaoo
“You cannot seperate the art from the artist” bros educated as hell yet stupid as fuck
If you really think people watched the talented mr ripley solely because of the costume designers/aesthetic, you’re acoustic.
Coustic= utistic
I don't think he was right but neither are you. The movie was good. But just good. It meanders and doesn't build up much. Apart from the scene with the dad impersonation, there isn't much impressive about his impersonations. And nearly all the characters except Tom and Dickie are flat.
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d naw dog you just don’t get it bro
You're stylish but sadly not very bright
That statement generally presupposes that the accuser is brighter than the accused. If that was true then you likely would have given some actual reasons why...otherwise, it looks like projection. L
@@DemetriosLevi if you really want a detailed analysis I could be persuaded to write one. I'm guessing you do since you came back and edited your comment as if to beat your insecurity that you're a dummy.
I have NO idea how I'm just now finding your channel.. I'm in love with your insights, videography, and style. And you're unashamedly Christian? Based. Godspeed, my new Italian internet friend.
The style? Impeccable mid-century.
The novel/film? Never could get into it.
My personal taste runs toward Agatha Christie, especially Poirot, for the exact opposite reasons that Highsmith wrote Ripley.
But the shirt? Snappy. Very. Snappy.
Perfectly put, my friend...
And Then There Were None. No one was caught. Everything went according to plan. Dead ends for every one. Murder of Roger Ackroyd. Sure it ended well, but for the whole thing, the reader is inside the murderer's head.
Loving the stylish men's movies style breakdown. Salute!
Thank you, brother! Salute!
Virtue signaling : The video
Yeah no. I'd rather of ignored the whole idea but as I already said, I bought the shirt specifically for the video and needed something published, so this was it. I was expecting more backlash honestly.
You throw the words "virtue signal" around like goobers who throw the word n@zi and r@cist like it's free candy.
@@DemetriosLevi The video seems to exclusively serve the purpose of patting yourself on the back .You could have simply scratched the idea completely instead of teasing your audience with what could have been.
@@mlikoipuraand u could have just not watched, let alone comment, so what's ur point
@@ashtonndlovu9470 How could have i possibly knew that before i watched it you absolute moron ?
it is a masterpiece, the cinematic playing with shadows and reflections, the drooped hints and the suspense, I don't know what a good movie exactly means to you? shocking scenes? saturated film?
and also I don't know why people prefer Delan Alain's film over the 1999 one, which is more cinematic, the plot more intelligent, and Damion Ripley appears way more psychopath than Alain Ripley, and the scene when he mimics dickie father was somewhat eerie
Nice to see a man of conviction 👊
Is this video meant as a joke?
you should definitely watch broey deschanel's video on saltburn and the talented mr ripley and you will have a much clearer idea on why it's hailed as a masterpiece.
The Talented Mr Ripley 1999 film was based on Patricia Highsmith's book published in 1955 not 1995. :)
You're correct and I misspoke there. Wish I would have caught that earlier...thank you!
Nahh, keep wearing the shirt, it’s great. Didn’t know that about the film. But never liked that one anyways.
Back to the shirt: have to look into it more, Finally. It’s summer.
Cheers mate, have a nice Sunday 🙏🏻
I absolutely will man! It's my favorite summer shirt and I've been wearing it probably a bit too much if I'm being honest...I gotta be careful I don't tear it or something Cheers mate!
The set decoration was great too.
What does it matter if author is nuts? Who gives a crap? If you liked the peice of art, that's all that matters...
Good comment.
It does matter because the telos/final cause/reason of the art is the glorification of evil as she said so herself, and if you read people thoughts on the books and films of this story who actually liked it, her goal was successful. The question is _why_ should one like this particular art? If I had a painting of a infant getting r***d, merely saying I like it would not be satisfactory to anybody as it shouldn't be. You'd ask me why I like that enough to hang it on my wall? People like art for actual reasons...it's not some arbitrary thing where we like it for no apparent reason.
@@DemetriosLevi Well said. We always have reasons for why we appreciate things; there are aspects that appeal. With a story like this, one could appreciate a certain *telling* of the narrative. But then you have to ask yourself, given the facts, "Does this require me to overlook anything? What for?"It is never a closed question whether one is or not, or what the harm in that is (consequentially speaking or deontologically)
That's a very narrow-minded view of art. First of all, whether the quote says what you think it says is debatable. I don't read it as her celebrating evil, she just describes what she wanted to do in her book. You don't need to be evil or glorify evil to want to write a story where the bad triumphs over the good and where the reader is invited to feel for the villain. There are tons of stories like that written by less problematic authors than Highsmith.
But even if Patricia Highsmith was a psychopath who wrote this story to celebrate psychopaths, it still doesn't say anything about the quality of the work of art. I don't think that the book is a masterpiece on the level of Dostoevsky or Shakespeare but it's a very good book that shows some psychological insight into people like Ripley.
A lot of great artists were terrible people. Caravaggio was a murderer, Wagner a raging antisemite, the great writers of antiquity were slave owners, Dickens hated women, Solzhenitsyn committed rape during the second world war, Ezra Pound was a fascist, etc. The list goes on and on. I love Virginia Woolf for example but she hated Jews and thought disabled people should be killed. In some of these cases you have to account for the historical context, in others the artists were just assholes. I don't think we should ignore their failings, we should definitely talk about them. But we also shouldn't throw out large parts of the canon of great art for moralistic reasons. Terrible people can create incredibly insightful works of art that can help us reach a deeper understanding of the world and of ourselves. Should we stop reading the Iliad because of the horribly outdated moral philosophy underpinning it? We'd have to throw large parts of the world's cultural heritage on the trash heap. The better solution would be a nuanced approach to these problematic artists.
Of course things are a bit more complicated if the artist is still alive. I will never pay money for a Polanski movie because I think he should be in prison. But I do still watch The Pianist every now and again because Polanski being a rapist doesn't change the fact that it's one of the best Holocaust movies ever made. It tells an important story that can help people understand the horrors of the genocide and make them more vigilant. I've got the movie on my hard drive and I've never paid for it, so I'm fine with watching it.
Murio la alfabetización del cine y el entendimiento de una pieza artistica
No likeable characters is why it’s such a good movie. You don’t know who to like or who to hate! Breaks the film formula
I wholeheartedly agree and blown away by someone standing up for ideas and virtues that will preserve ones own heart and the soul of civilisation. Nihilism is a despicable disease on society and the soul.
I'm honored by your words...thank you so much, my friend
The Talented Mr. Ripley is one of my favorite movies. So is Rosemary's Baby. I must be evil!
The book is not from 1995 but from 1955.
lmao no it's not. Look it up...it's not that hard. The 1960 movie Purple Noon is literally based off the same book smh
@@DemetriosLevi1995 is what you said at 01:56
you didn't even read the comment!
@@DemetriosLevibros autistic lmfao
This movie reminds me of fight club, there will be blood, and American psycho. It shows the corruptive side of modern American society. I like this movie especially because it shows that corruptive side in young 20 something year olds.
I think you may have misspoken in the beginning saying the book came out in 1995. 1:56
Maybe this woman was evil and crazy -- it sounds like she was. And maybe the book, which I haven't read, so I can't say, proports the same message. So what? A work of art is does not have moral weight. There's no such thing as a morally evil story, series of notes, or paintbrush strokes.
A piece of art can absolutely represent an evil idea, but that doesn't make the work itself evil. Same with the film. If course, the character of Ripley is a bad guy. So? A story can be about anything. It causes no harm to those who watch it, and it doesn't violate any moral duty or social function.
I just don't see what the point if this is. Also, regarding Hitler's artwork, I wouldn't have any qualms about hanging any paintings by him in my house, though I won't because I don't like any that much. I do have Bacon's three studies up though, which, by the sounds of it, you would probably call demonic too. They depict unaturally contorted bodies of bizzare creatures, and the painter was a gay masochist.
I can't imagine limiting my enjoyment of art by something as arbitrary as whether the political or social views of the artist align with my own.
First, thank you for being civil about your disagreement and actually reasoning your way through this.
"And maybe the book, which I haven't read, so I can't say, proports the same message."
It does indeed. She said that about the book decades before the film existed.
"So what? A work of art is does not have moral weight. There's no such thing as a morally evil story, series of notes, or paintbrush strokes."
This is where we have a huge difference in our respective paradigms. The idea that the physical work is evil is a gnostic view, which I do not hold, but it's also equally gnostic to believe that because the physical material isn't inherently evil than the work has no morality aka good or evil attached to it. I'm not a materialist or a gnostic: I'm an Orthodox Christian, which I know you're familiar with, aderfe. The spirit of the work is important because I believe that the spirit of something, the principality of a thing, is equal to the material/physical importance which is not involved in any dialectical tension.
"A story can be about anything. It causes no harm to those who watch it, and it doesn't violate any moral duty or social function."
But it does. Any artist knows that art influences people to some degree, it's one of the reasons why we create art. It's healing or damaging. What do you think propaganda is? It's exactly that: works of art that influence your thinking in a subtle way most people don't catch.
"Also, regarding Hitler's artwork, I wouldn't have any qualms about hanging any paintings by him in my house, though I won't because I don't like any that much."
I will admit that the Hitler example was faulty in its logic. I honestly wish I would have caught that sooner because I would have removed that bit.
"I can't imagine limiting my enjoyment of art by something as arbitrary as whether the political or social views of the artist align with my own."
I can't either, because I also do not believe in this. 99% of the art I enjoy are made by people who likely would hate my views both politically and social. That's not the issue. It's the SPIRIT and the MEANING, the INTENT of the art. Is the purpose of the art meant to push evil? If yes, than why would I participate? This shouldn't be hard to comprehend. You cannot separate the art from the artist, but people aren't black and white, we're complex and grey. Mozart was kind of a degenerate person in his personal life, but his art reflected the best of him and what he wanted to show. To be completely honest with you, Bacon's lifestyle is very apparent in his art. It reflects his mind and comes as no surprise.
Here's a question: if there was a pro-pεdoρhilε movie that was for the purpose of convincing people to be pro-pεdoρhilic, would you be ok with enjoying it? My question would be _why_ are you watching it? Most people seem not to answer the "why" to things they enjoy that are disturbing.
I look forward to your response
@@DemetriosLevi Hello man, thanks for the response and for being so polite. Also, it's cool to see an Orthodox Christian in the English speaking world, most of the Orthodox people I know are either Greek or Russian.
Maybe I should clarify my point, because, as you stated your position, I would agree with it. I don't disagree that if the purpose of something is evil, if there is no value to something outside promoting immorality, then it should be avoided. Engaging with this kind of thing, unless adequately prepared, is most likely detrimental to your soul, and in most cases ought not be engaged with.
For example, there is a book titled "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race", which is something like a manifesto for absolute nihilism and existential despair. It promotes the idea that nothing matters, it makes no difference if you kill yourself, and that suicide is actually almost a moral good because Nothingness is preferable to Being. (The book doesn't really make this a moral point per say, because the author denies morality, but you get what I mean.) My opinion is this book should be avoided, and probably, in an ideal world, banned. It has nothing to contribute except destruction.
The difference between The Talented Mr. Ripley and this book is that, even if there is some underlying unethical spirit or essence to this book/film, it can nevertheless be enjoyed as a work of art. It can teach us about the extent of human depravity, inspire us with its aesthetic beauty (as you demonstrated in your video), and create many feelings of empathy within us -- empathy towards the main character - who, instead of simply evil, we can see as the product of a sick society - and empathy for the poor souls he tortures.
In general, I don't see evil as its own entity. And if you study Orthodox theology, you will see this point affirmed. The Orthodox church firmly holds the non-substantiality of evil. Evil is not a substance, but the act of turning away from God. As such, Ripley, despite what the author thinks about the character, is not evil but misguided. In this way, the character is not, as the author thought, the triumph of evil, but the tragedy of evil. In the film this is exemplified by the final scene, which is interestingly not shown, but only overheard. Ripley murders his lover, seemingly for no reason, even after he has escaped the problems of the past murders and escaped the law. All the while he is crying. This is what the character is really about. He is the image of the absolute tragedy that defines a soul which has strayed from God. Crying, unable to do anything but destroy those around him.
Great artists are crazy, i love it!
Here because Netflix dropped a trailer and this video was in the recommendation.
Yo, that jacket, the shirt... Awesome
Thank you, my homie!
You know, I just recently saw this movie, and I was also taken in by the visuals, and the Italian version of "Wanna be Americano" and all that. But by the end, I felt that we were too drawn into the Ripley character. Alfred Hitchcock said (paraphrase, it's been years) that when you watch Norman Bates watching the car sink into the swamp, and it hesitates and he gets anxious, you unconsciously identify with him even though he's a criminal. That x 100 with Ripley. I appreciate this back story it really resonates with the sh*tswamp that Hollywood has really been that has scammed us for so long.
oh yeah this woman was batshit crazy and the movie wasn't even faithful to the book from what ive read... still, it was very cathartic nonetheless
It sounded like you said the book was written in 1995...gonna assume it just sounded that way.
Aweful critique
Explain
“I’m not gonna give the book or movie a fair shot because the person who wrote it was evil. So, it’s bad, cuz I’m a Christian. But buy the shirt, cuz I’m a faggot 😍 look at the stripes!” - Levi
"hmm how can i be different today 🤔"
Need to do Man from Uncle, The Gentleman tv Series, and Guy Ritchies other latest film.
It’s a brilliant movie. The end.
Lmao cope
The comments on this thread are far more interesting than the characters in the film. Never would have guessed that your take would be so polarizing. Turns out that if you ever want to summon hordes of sociopaths,racists, and anti-semites, simply criticize fantastic Mr. Ripley
Sums it up lmao
Need this movie in 4k
It only makes the movie that much more interesting to me.
Btw Alan delon was in the OG film this was inspired by
Saying you can’t separate art from the artist is like saying you can’t separate a child from a parent.
his wtf reaction was literally the exact same as mine
purple noon with alain delon that's stylish.
"to feast on those dark thoughts that demons whisper in our ears" - If that's how you "rationalize" your inner thoughts then you sound more lost and unaware than anyone. Great art takes all forms and there's a reason this movie and the books speak to millions. And there's a reason your thoughts only speak to a few thousand.
Reality is it's a great and compelling story with a stellar cast, score and script. You're confusing reality with fiction. She isn't this movie personified, no matter how much you'd like people to believe it. I'm as horrified as anyone by her backward and awful views. The world's just not as simple as you'd have it. Now go mute the demons whispering in your ear and try the new netflix series 'Ripley'. It's not as good as this movie but it's visually stunning and has it's own place in telling this story. You'll love it (if you stop listening to those whispering demons you apparently hear, yikes!)
On another subject how about the fashion industry! How is the fashion industry treating we common folk that mass produce for the upper, middle classes and poor folk all the same?
... Yeah, that's what i thought
the film was a masterpiece it was one of the reasons i moved to europe honestly haha
I’ve never seen a review that misses the point of…everything. More than this review. What a waste of 8 minutes.
Connection has so many nice things, thx for reviewing. But man the website ist bad :D
You're right about both observations hahaha!