I Didn't Love SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME
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I DID like it though
Also these bad guys are just being bopped to branch realities, the ones that are dead are still dead I don't know is everyone forgetting the Andrew Peter and Tobey Peter, too?
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I'm just glad that Andrew is getting more positive attention. He's a great actor and deserved a lot better than the material he got for his two movies.
Those movies sucked, but not because of him.
@@saininj I thought the first one was really good. TASM 2 on the other hand...
All he needed was great writing
I've been saying I'm counting this as the 3rd film in his trilogy.
Good redemption arcs for lots of folks. Was a good avengers movie, probably my favorite; but not my favorite spiderman movie
Right!! Finally!! Dude was a great Spider-Man and the most accurate 🤷🏾♂️
I personally think that the trilogy is the origin story. Homecoming: wanting to be an avenger and getting the high of being a hero. Far From Home: realizing the dangers of being a hero. No Way Home: taking the responsibility and humility of being a hero and standing up for what’s right no matter what.
Awwww I like that!
That's....the entire point of the trilogy ARE PEOPLE JUST NOW REALIZING THIS AFTER JEREMY JAHNS SAID IT?
Regardless having 3 movies for a origin story is kinda bad tbh. Took Tobey 1 movie and it’s completely the perfect origin for Spider-Man and iconic.
NWH is one of the best cinema experiences but really really overrated as a film. (Really enjoyable)
Finally, took a while
@@TheRealGeorgeGibson not really. He was still fighting againt the desire to conciliate being spider man and Peter Parker in both sequels.
I notice how when Andrew saves MJ this time round he puts all his force into grabbing her and protecting her spine rather than using the webbing, he grabs her like a child and immediately curls into a ball to protect her because he knows what could happen
This film suffers from bloat with the villains but rather then try to make that fit, I think it was very self aware and handled it so well that it doesn't become an issue that takes away from the movie.
Well said, I also noticed how he came off the building, he didn't just fall off, he did a dive to ensure he bodied her with the momentum of the dive and then he sticked his web on something behind him to lower the speed at which he's falling which was one of the reasons Gwen died, it just shows who much he is ensuring that not even his own landing harms her lol... This had me in tears because he's my fav and when he lost Gwen like that I was shattered for weeks, this catch means everything
I dont think in Homecoming his struggle was about wanting to be a regular kid. On the contrary, the conflict in that movie was about Peter wanting to be an hero, an avenger but having to live as a regular kid. He wants to be Spider-man more than he wants to be Peter Parker, he even mention dropping out of high school. He refuses to let the FBI deal with the Vulture because he wants to be a hero. The lesson he learns is that he should enjoy what he has of his normal life now, because, his time would come and when it did he would miss the things that he was ignoring. Than Far From Home is about his time finnaly coming but, now he dont want to let it go of his normal life (because at the end of Homecoming he had learn to value a normal life) so he neglect his duties as a hero. Because of that a supervillain gets access to a very powerfull weapon. Than No Way Home is everything finnaly crashing down on him. Is a movie about him learn that he has to choose, he can no longer stand in the middle of the road. Hero or normal guy. In the end he chooses to be a hero, but not as in Homecoming, now he chooses fully aware of what he is giving up, he chooses to be a hero not because is cool and fun. But because it is something that he has to do. Because the world need Spider Man, not Peter Parler.
Like how on the beginning of the movie at first he wishes that everyone forgot Peter Parker was Spiderman. But by the end he choose for them to forget Peter Parker instead. That's growth
Only the uneducated and delusional ones that saw this movie, thought a good movie when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it. This movie is a 👎👎👎. Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange is way more powerful than Spider-Man. Also, Dr.Strange can make Spider-Man not escape from him without even trying especially in his own dimension. Don’t y’all see what’s going on here? Kevin Feige is slowly nerfing marvel characters. He did it to hulk already and now it’s Dr. Strange turn. Open your eyes people. Not rocket science to figure this one out if you have a brain 🤣🤣🤣
@@Cpk86 Are you okay?
@Rodrigo Rocha while I wholeheartedly agree with you, and I may be wrong, I’m pretty sure that Amanda is talking about Far From Home, NOT Homecoming, when she brings up Peter wanting to be a normal kid. (At around 15:58)
Ah. Never mind. I see where you were talking about that.
@@Cpk86 ....to be honest, you're the one that doesn't understand the strength of spider man. And Stan Lee himself said that a creator is the one that's gonna decide who's gonna win in a fight. It's not that deep and doesn't diminished Dr strange strength at all. So yeah ....chill out dude you seem really stressed
I relate to your unapologetic love for Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man because he’s my favorite Spider-Man too. The scene that actually made me cry was when MJ and Ned find Peter on the roof and go to console him. Their unrelenting love for each-other and their bond is so beautiful that it really did make the ending much more heartbreaking. Overall really enjoyed the movie! Excited to see where they go from here!
cheers mate, we are few in the Andrew Spiderman wagon
@@martinacosta3821 joining in with the andrew spidey wagon
Hes so good. Im just glad im surrounded by people that love him! Like Amanda said this movie made me fall right back in love with his spiderman and my friend turned to me and said "im sorry but in my eyes, hes the best one". Nothing wrong with that!
Only the uneducated and delusional ones that saw this movie, thought a good movie when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it. This movie is a 👎👎👎. Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange is way more powerful than Spider-Man. Also, Dr.Strange can make Spider-Man not escape from him without even trying especially in his own dimension. Don’t y’all see what’s going on here? Kevin Feige is slowly nerfing marvel characters. He did it to hulk already and now it’s Dr. Strange turn. Open your eyes people. Not rocket science to figure this one out if you have a brain 🤣🤣🤣
Andrew is, was, and always will be my Spiderman
Andrew stole all the emotional scenes he was in. I was almost brought to tears in the scene with MJ. He’s way underrated as an actor
Andrew Garfield is not underrated.
@@juonithzramos1089 He's not underrated by critics, but definitely by the public. As happy as I am with all the love he's been getting lately, it's kinda frustrating that all people seem to be excited about is his Peter/Spider-Man. I understand that big superhero movies are what most people watch and pay attention to, but I feel like he isn't seen as the incredible actor he is by a huge chunk of the public. It's very emotional for me, as the huge fan I am, to finally see him being praised for his Peter, but I would much rather be talking about Tick, tick...BOOM! myself.
No matter what he's doing, he's always gonna give his all and act the shit out of it. The critics know he's incredible, it's just the public that doesn't seem to pay that kind of attention to him. It's honestly very frustrating as I've been a huge fan of his for more than a decade, but it is what it is.
I LOVED the chemistry between Tobey and Andrew it was literally so sweet and funny.
Yess!! I so loved watching them together! 🥺❤️
Did you see the bloopers? The one Andrew spooning Tobey when he was supposed to crack his back? LOL.
it was cringe and forced
@@WhatisReal11 That's cause you're just thinking what you want to think. Nobody else saw it that way. They're both professional actors.
One thing I take from Garfield's Spiderman in this movie is that he also got a bit of development of his own, when Tobey says that it can work having a relationship while being a hero.
He says that he "had no time to be Peter" but Tobey says that can work, I loved that scene of Garfield getting a bit of perspective after all that happened to him.
It gives me hope of happiness for that Peter (even if we can never see him heal). It's not like "they would never understand, bc of my responsibilities". No. They do understand him, bc they are spider too
I loved how it showed them having different issues and dealing with it differently, if only because of their different circumstances. Really made their interactions seem more heartfelt and interesting, especially in how they handled being around each other and wanting to care for one another.
My theater cheered twice as hard for Andrew than Tobey, which says a lot. He was very much the standout. I didn't really tear up during the 2nd act death scene but I came very close to crying when MJ got saved. What an arc.
I love Tobey for sure and Tom is my favorite but when Andrew walked through that portal I totally lost my shit even though I was half expecting it. I am so so so happy that Andrew got to have another kick at that Spider-Man can, he deserved a third movie. I hope he had as much fun doing it as it looked like he did on screen. And when he saved MJ I absolutely cried.
My theatre was split lol some cheered and stood up for Andrew and then some cheered more for Tobey. I cheered for both. Tho I believe I gave off a squeal only dogs could hear when Andrew walked through the portal lol
I haven't even seen the Garfield films, I knew with the one death that there was no way there was going to be a second death, so when he saved her (after cluing in the rest of us about Gwen's death) my heart was still in my throat about the first miss and his catch, and then when I saw *him* getting emotional and that really got me going. I didn't even experience his story and that scene was perfectly executed
@@frostfang1 yes!!
My theory is that Andrew will get the bigger scream in every theater no matter what because he appears first. Him appearing is the validation that we're getting all three Peters together and Tobey is going to show up soon. (I'm not saying Andrew doesn't deserve the cheers, but even people that hate Andrew are gonna cheer for the validation that Tobey is coming really soon.)
As much as Tobey is my favorite Spider-Man Andrew stole the show he made me cry so hard with his emotional scenes and glad people are respecting him now
Not saying this is your case, but I think a lot of people that are diehard Tobey fans feel like this because he was, you know, the OG, so to speak, and everyone and their mother gave Andrew shit because TASM came out like 2 seconds after SM3. It was basically Sony's fault more than anything. Even I was like "...but why?", and by then I'd already been a fan for years. He's the best actor (not hating, he's better than most, doesn't mean Tobey or especially Tom are bad by any means), and it's gonna shine through no matter what character he's playing in whatever movie his in.
@@JuPaschoal yeah I completely agree with u ik ppl who are like that
Andrew deserved better writing than his movies got. He's a brilliant actor, and I really loved him in No Way Home, but I'm still not a fan of his own movies.
The Amazing Spiderman is trending on Netflix this week, people are re-assessing Andrew and that's no bad thing.
i didn't know that, thanks, especially since i did always liked both movies
As they should!! Tasm deserves it
Just watched it! So good.
There’s a rumor floating around stating that Sony is considering signings him for more movies and honestly I am brimming with anticipation
@@lpsloveandgame6046 yes please!!
While this may not be a perfect movie, nothing can top being in that cinema opening night and everything cheering when Andrew and Tobey appeared. No matter the plot weaknesses, this movie is just so freaking fun (especially all the Peter^3 banter) which keeps it in my top 3 marvel films
Oh yeah the theatre experience was incredible
@@AmandaTheJedi I Actually Love this Movie. 😍 Spider-Man: No Way Home, I love the big surprise in the film (Sorry for the Spoilers).
Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield’s Appearance, it was AWESOME! 👏🤩
Props to Andrew Garfield for his performances in real life with interviews.
A true professional!
i have seen him deny it so many times i was like lowkey maybe he,s not in it, maybe he isn't but of course he is like! i need the next time he does an interview for him to be like" ok i was the werewolf the whole time"
Only the uneducated and delusional ones that saw this movie, thought a good movie when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it. This movie is a 👎👎👎. Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange is way more powerful than Spider-Man. Also, Dr.Strange can make Spider-Man not escape from him without even trying especially in his own dimension. Don’t y’all see what’s going on here? Kevin Feige is slowly nerfing marvel characters. He did it to hulk already and now it’s Dr. Strange turn. Open your eyes people. Not rocket science to figure this one out if you have a brain 🤣🤣🤣
@@Cpk86 It wasn't a Dr Strange vs Spiderman movie. Strange wanted to help a kid and then underestimated him which caught him off guard. If you go into this movie thinking it's them vs each other and mad Dr Strange didn't end everything immediately, then you went in expecting an entirely different movie.
@@ellriiii This movie is a 👎👎👎. Mess up number 1, Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange is way more powerful than Spider-Man and can make Spider-Man not escape from him without even trying especially in his own dimension. Mess up number 2, This movie is really all about Spider-Man getting into MIT which is definitely a dumb way building this movie around. Why didn’t he just go to another college? Not difficult to do lol. Mess up number 3, they focused way to much on the fan service side more than making an enjoyable movie. Mess up number 4, the pacing in this movie is atrocious. It drags on during multiple parts of the movie for way to long and the action in this movie was so bland.
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The ending was extremely bittersweet for me. Loved to see Tom embody classic spider-man but knowing Peter has literally no one in his life anymore just hurt
That's classic Marvel!
It honestly came off as forced and dumb for me. Yes, let's have MJ beg him to remind her, to wait to tell her he loves her for only after they reconnect, for him to... Walk away. No marvel, that doesn't come off as bittersweet, to me it comes off as selfish. He wants to protect them so HE doesn't get hurt, not so they won't. No one has to be your friend, especially if they find out your lifestyle, but he took that choice away from them. I'm just tired of the "lonely superhero" trope. The movie worked best imo when all three were being friends together and they just... Took that away. Cool.
@@32fps he’s a 17yo that just lost his only family, give in a break. I highly doubt his friends will not show up in future installments.
@@Sabrina-vc9yt How is taking their choice away responsible? Again, it just seems selfish. They knew the risks the first time and chose to be involved anyways. They could have walked away.
I have a different perspective because I have an autoimmune disease that causes a lot of stress/heartache for those in my life. So should I cut everyone out of my life and never have relationships? This disease will eventually kill me, so I should save them the pain of my loss right? That's basically what this ending is saying. It's the opposite (Peter is worried THEY'RE going to die/suffer as a result of being around him), but it's the same concept as taking away another's agency in the decision of who they choose to associate with.
I think Arrow handled this well, from what I vaguely remember from the seasons I watched. Initially Oliver wanted no one helping him because of the risk, but as people found out they chose to stick around because they believed in his cause and were willing to risk their lives as well, and he had to accept that it was their choice to do that. Pepper chose to stay even though she could have easily left. Same for Louis Lane. But they loved their respective partners and chose that over the risk it brought into their lives.
@@32fps I understand the point that you're trying to make but the examples you used are of grown adults. Mary Jane and Ned are both normal, non-superpowered teenagers who have college to look forward to and probably shouldn't have been involved with all this dangerous stuff in the first place. I think Peter wasn't just thinking about the risk but also the way that it could affect their regular lives like the way it affected his. The poor kid lost his aunt, can't even graduate high school, and has to live on his own. Maybe what Peter is doing is selfish but it's a logical development for his character. It's clear he still loves his friends so it'll be interesting to see when he'll decide to tell them and how it will go.
Edit: Now that I think about it, it did seem like he was prepared to tell them up until he heard them talk about MIT and how MJ was excited for it despite not usually being excited for anything. I don't think Peter could bare to take that away from them and that's why he chose to walk away instead.
i emotionally enjoyed this film so much that i’m willing to let go the logical flaws with some plot details. this film was an absolute win for spider-man fans in general, but more so for og andrew spider man fans who FINALLY got closure
YES!!!
Oh I so agree with you. My emotional journey while watching the film in theatre was hella powerful. When Andrew’s spidey appeared I audibly gasped (though I mean I was kinda expecting it to be fair 😁) and the emotional scene with him and MJ had me close to tears. There’s more but I too, can disregard some logical flaws for the emotional journey I had the chance to to through 🥺❤️ I loved every second of it!
I don't know why people think Doctor Strange wouldn't do something so reckless.
This is the same Strange that arrogantly stole spells in the library since he thought he is ready for advance spells.
The same Strange who kept using the time stone regardless of consequences for the time space continum stuff.
So Strange disobeying Wong because he thought he can handle the spell that is definitely too dangerous is something, an arrogant and overly confident Strange would do.
Small detail, Aunt May was the one who originally said the Responsibility quote in the comics. Not Uncle Ben.
Maybe when MoM comes out they will better understand him and see how in character this is for him lol
I think the problem is that Doctor Strange is one of the most inconsistent characters in the whole MCU. His most important and famous movies are Infinity War and Endgame, and in both he acted very differently in comparrison to Doctor Strange (how he takes everything so seriously, isn't able to think outside of the box etc.). So saying that doing the spell is in character for him is both true and false and how they keep changing Stranges character from movie to movie will probably stay one of my personal pet peeves with the MCU.
This is also the same Strange that willingly fought a genocidal alien who was equipped with the strongest weapon in the universe.
The same Strange who peered into 16 million futures and watched the universe be decimated over and over and over.
The same Strange who bore the responsibility of nudging Tony Stark to make the ultimate sacrifice, almost like assisted suicide.
The problem is that his characterization is not super consistent. He became much more like the Sorcerer Supreme in Infinity War and Endgame and No Way Home kind of felt like it was him in his own movie. Sure you might be able to argue that his arrogance is still there, in the sense that he is much more experienced now and believes himself capable of pulling off such an insane spell, but the inciting incident of the movie (casting the spell) required both characters to be negligent. Peter went to Strange for a selfish request, Strange obliges but does not tell him all the nitty gritty details, which leads to Peter messing with the execution of the spell by being annoying.
I thunk because infinity war and endgame messed him up traumatically. In infinity war, he was not as arrogant and more pragmatic. He thought things through. I felt Infinity war was his “with great power comes great responsibility” story considering the loss and devastation that occurred.
I did not expect for him to lose his arrogance, but I did think that he wouldn’t rush things either before thinking them through.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 i honestly think he just really wanted to help and didnt think it was a big deal. But it was. And it came with consequences.
I didn't have a problem with Aunt May using the line (and her version is actually comic accurate while the other films paraphrase) as, while the themes have came up, the actual quote hasn't been featured in the MCU. Plus, she was the whole reason Peter was even trying to help the villains and it went horribly wrong, so it reinforces why he should continue. Alternatively, they could've had Peter himself say the line in response to her death as the original comic quote wasn't even from Uncle Ben, but narration of Peter learning the lesson.
I think they could have written around the quote better. It bothered me that she was literally saying this with her dying breath instead of saying something like "I love you Peter. You're doing the right thing." It bothered me with the Uncle Bens too but they gave off more of a lecture-y vibe than this version of Aunt May did.
@@seraphina1724 I would argue that she didn't know she was dying. She was in shock from the looks of it and didn't even realize she was bleeding. And her saying the line was her reaffirming that he did the right thing.
Her version was NOT comic accurate
The Raimi films had the accurate line
Saying "with great power comes great responsibility"
The Webb films had ...some trashy line
and in this one May said"with great power MUST ALSO COME great reponsibility"
@@my2randomcents oof, you should delete this comment. Her line was word for word accurate.
@@EX7Sonic have you read a comic book? The line is accurate in the Raimi films
Not in NWH
I definitely interpreted Strange just going forth with the spell without clarifying to Peter the exact parameters of what he was going to do as his own arrogance and confidence in his ability as a sorcerer. It genuinely felt on brand for him to say "Yea I sure CAN wipe the worlds memory of Peter Parker being Spiderman!" without caring about the greater consequences of doing so.
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It’s difficult to imagine that after infinity war and endgame for me. Even if it is in character, it just makes his character unlikable. Especially when for the rest of the movie he wholeheartedly blames the teenager instead of thinking for even a moment about how he has no communication skills and didn’t even get full knowledgable consent for the spell. Left a bad taste in my mouth personally
@@ellap73 thats just how he is im afraid. He was under the impression that Peter knew the situation cuz Peter asked him to make everyone forget he was Spiderman. The fact he cared about Peter and doesnt alway think things through led him to just dive in. I love that about him cuz hes such a wild card but its okay if you dont! We all have our favorites and least. My least favorite is Captain Marvel lol
it was on brand for MCU Dr Strange, normally he has a lot more experience and wisdom.
@@filmfangirls9163 yeah he even says after all they've been through he often forgets Peter is just a kid he just assumed Peter had exhausted all of his options and wanted to help a friend out
I honestly think that Strange performing the spell at the beginning of the movie is perfectly within his character. His whole arc throughout the MCU has been that he’s a cocky, arrogant shit. So him performing a potentially dangerous world altering spell for no other reason than “he can” is perfectly in line with his character. It’s not like he doesn’t still have that arrogant superiority complex. At the beginning of the movie we see him being petty and upset that Wong took his title as sorcerer supreme “on a technicality” when he easily could have just left that part out or attributed Wong getting the title to his skill as a sorcerer.
Well said!
whenever it was or wasn't in his characteristic, it was an incredibly stupid thing to do
@@martinacosta3821 and doing something rash and sometimes stupid is very much in his character. Thats honestly all we are trying to say. It is stupid but not out of character.
I think people may be expecting characters to, you know, "grow," or change, because of all of the massive trauma that the MCU has experienced, and because learning humility was part of Strange's arc in his own movie, but hey, Corporate Synergy The Movie or whatever.
@@montyr2083 well maybe he will grow more in the sequel. In my opinion he did grow in this movie. But thats just my opinion. Sounds like people feel strongly about this. Which is good! Good to have passion.
The one flaw I had with this film was MAY saying WE HAVE TO SAVE THESE VILLAINS. Like its very Spider-Man but the fact that she's putting this pressure on Peter felt like a cheap way to not end the movie in the first 40 min. After we find out they die, yeah maybe you should try and help them but May giving that advice that set her up to die. Really feels manufactured especially when before this her only character trait was being a hot aunt and..... banging Happy for some reason.
It also felt cheap because saving them would just be a new branch reality, those characters that died are dead in their universes, that isn’t changing
I completely disagree. I like the idea that they positioned Aunt May as a part of his moral center. It makes her a critical part to his heroism. It’s in the vein of Insomniac’s Spider-Man where a lot of his concern for others comes from his Aunt May. I think it’s a very good idea to have May represent his heroism as she is usually just another problem for Peter to deal with as she’s always getting sick, worrying about Peter’s health, or criticizing Spider-Man. This is a take that gives her much more of a role in the narrative. Especially going into Spider-Man films going forward.
Plus this isn’t something that really came out of nowhere for May. She was setup as working at a F.E.A.S.T. shelter last film and has pretty much always encouraged Peter to be Spider-Man. I think it definitely fits her character to want to save the villains if they could.
@@AmandaTheJedi
I don’t think that matters. What matters is that they could save the villains right in front of them. Even if all it does is create a branch reality, Peter would be content knowing that there is a reality where those people were helped.
@@AmandaTheJedi And that's why I hate the multiverse. Works fine in isolated stories, Spider-verse, Loki, but on a grand scale like MCU or Rick and Morty. it cheapens everything because nothing matters or sticks.
@@Ren_Davis0531 you are kind of right but wrong in the majority.
I think the fact that May was so insistent that Peter help those villains, and she's his biggest authority figure, it makes total sense that he would listen to her. He's a kid and she's basically his mom.
trying to help them is ok (well not really, but at least consist given what you said), but the way he tried was way way WAY too dumb
@@martinacosta3821 It's not like he had tons of time to come up with a perfect plan. He had no idea when Dr. Strange would get out of his trap and had to act fast if he was gonna do it at all. And it does match up with his general charactization of being a naive, overly trusting, act-before-thinking type of person. Plus, the death of Mysterio was very traumatic for him. He didn't want to be responsible for anyone else dying, villain or not. He at least had a contingency plan by giving MJ the box. But sending five people to their deaths isn't an easy thing for anyone to do. Especially a teenager.
@@rynfiarynit is somewhat logic what you said, except that maybe because of what he went through with Mysterio he should be less trusting of villains, but still feel lazy and an incrdible dumb thing to do, but hey, all is forgiven because of the last half of the movie, all three spidermen, was just pure joy.
No Way Home has my new favorite ending to any MCU film. The apartment and Parker tapping his phone into the police comms felt straight out of the comics and PS4 game
Extremely excited for a back-to-basics trilogy, especially if they actually do justice to the Black Suit story
Loved the ending
@@AmandaTheJedi when May says the responsibility line after Peter says Doctor Strange was right, Peter says,”I know” - implying it was said before but May wants to hammer it home now that Peter is at his lowest point.
The 3rd Toby movie was ruined by rushing that. Introduce the black suit in 3, we know it will be venom but at the time its a super cool suit, then it becomes a problem in 4, but sony execs blew their load too early.
@@dorianleakey the 3rd Toby movie was definitely ruined by Sony. Raimi had his story all set up and Sony demanded that he include Venom in it. If they let Raimi make the movie he wanted it would have been much better because Raimi himself has even admitted he's not a fan of Venom.
YES
I 100% agree with you on this. The villains were given nothing do to, so the stakes felt low. And I agree, the villain rehabilitation plot line was messy as shit. I wish I liked it more.
As much as I love No Way Home and defend its flaws, I can't really argue much with this critique of the villains. I liked the idea of Spiderman trying to rehabilitate villains instead of just taking them down, but it felt forced for some of them. For some of them, even if they could be reformed, it wouldn't conveniently happen fast enough within the span of a movie and feel realistic. And for others, especially Goblin/Osborn, some villains are just too evil to be reformed; they just need to be taken down before they do further harm. (Like the Joker from Batman or Firelord Ozai from Avatar). But I guess some people like to believe that anyone can be cured of evil and be reformed if you just believe in them enough and give them enough chances, which I personally do not buy.
I feel like it would have been much better if some of the villains were reformed and others were just taken down. Octavius was believable. It was just the AI chip messing with his brain that needed to be fixed as he even reformed by the end of Spiderman 2 in the Raimi Trilogy. Sandman already made up with Peter at the end of Spiderman 3 of the Raimi Trilogy and mostly just wanted to see and save his daughter, so there being a way for him to make up with Spiderman again doesn't seem too far fetched. Electro hated Spiderman, so he likely wouldn't be brought around anytime soon and would have to be defeated and apprehended. Lizard might just have to have the same fate as he might blame Peter for interfering with his life's work of turning others into Lizard people to justify his own use of the formula to attempt curing himself. Osborn was too evil and just needed to be stopped, killed even if it came to that (though some might recoil at the thought if they believe in the "no kill" rule, no matter how evil a villain is). That would still teach a lesson on mercy for one's enemies, but not being too naive in thinking that you can save everyone to the point of being campy.
Always demanding stakes is how characters get killed off or lose everything. I’m just not rooting for these films to have sad endings. You don’t have to lose to win in every situation.
yeah everything that happened with the magic and the villains felt so flimsy - i just could not rationalise how dr strange and spiderman (and aunt may) were presented with the problems and came up with *those* solutions. it's like they started with writing aunt may's death and had to futz out a way to get there.
The movie could be 4 hours long, if they ALL given something big enough to deal with. It's already almost 2 and a half hours with just the Green Goblin doing his own thing. Can you imagine the madness which could've come from Electro and the Lizard wreaking havoc at the same time? Even though it would've made the movie even more epic...
@@cahidijoyoraharjo7833 They couldn’t have them going around killing people if the point was to give them a 2nd chance also they were not bad guys before their accidents. It’s not about what we want it’s about what their previous storylines already established.
I agree, the phrasing of Aunt May's "with great power" felt too heavy handed and obvious and FORCED. it really took me out of the moment too. I also thought we'd covered that, and like even if she said the same phrase with different words, and Tobey and Andrew repeated it and made it concise? I would have loved it. But I was not a fan of how they played it in the movie.
Tobey or Andrew could have 1000% said the phrase to Tom to comfort him at some other point in the movie, not May. I even like the idea of them making it more concise, like you said. I would've loved one of them starting it off, "With great power", and the other one immediately recognizing the message & finishing it.
Honestly, i completely agree with the fact that the internet ruined the experience of this movie… like, why would you want to ruin the movie for yourself and everyone else??
imagine if we had no idea about tobey and andrew omg
@@lavdoria510 yes! exactly! it would’ve been that much more impactful (my heart did skip a beat when andrew appeared tho, i guess i kind of convinced myself he wasn’t gonna be in it even if the leaks were everywhere)
@@lavdoria510 i had no idea andrew and tobey were gonna be in it cuz i didn't pay attention to ANY news about this movie, i went in totally blind beyond the first trailer. i thought "maybe we'll get the others, but marvel has disappointed me so many times before, so no" then when we first saw andrew on screen everyone in my theater was screaming at the top of their lungs lmao
Yeah, I still had a great time seeing this movie, and it will be an experience I will remember and cherish as long as I still have a working consciousness.
That being said, more people need to learn the art of knowing when to shut the -f up. I was walking on eggshells on social media for some time to try and avoid spoilers and so many theories and rumors were being thrown around that even though I technically didn't have anything spoiled for me, I came in already expecting certain things and predicting things that otherwise might have taken me completely by surprise if those fan theories and rumors hadn't been there to prime my mind to predict what could happen.
I wonder how many people were killed by the villains between the fight in the apartment and the the Statue of Liberty. I think that should have been part of the moral calculus of Spidey and the gang's decision on whether to send them back or not. Like even with the fact that Green Goblin was certainly murdering people while the Spidermen were figuring out the cures they still decided not to press the button.
The Aunt May death is interesting because aside from NWH we’ve literally spent less than 10 minutes with her in any of the previous spidey MCU movies. Her loss is because we know how much she means to Peter not because we got to know this version of Aunt May. Hell, aside from NWH I don’t think they shared any sentimental scene.
I actually feel the opposite, we had more time with her than with the past uncle Bens combined as well as knowing how much she means to the Peter Parker character even in other universes which would now be canon. I think that giving her the uncle Ben part in this movie is one of the best decisions they made.
@@chavinker uncle Ben, especially in the Raimi movies had the guilt Peter carried of lying to him, followed by the final argument they had, that’s what adds the impact when he dies. That Peter’s last interaction with him was one of regret that he can’t ever take back. For aunt may she’s mostly a non-character and then her death just sort of happens. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be emotional but the execution of the death is really random.
They did in homecoming when she helps him get ready to take Liz out and when he loses the stark internship
@@chavinker it’s the quality of the time the Gad together. She was just the pretty aunt which is offensive to the character and Marisa Tomei.
@@Thed538dhsk 1 minute of screen time isn’t adequate character development…and wasn’t it sort of a mini montage?
Idk I liked Aunt May saying the line. I feel like her saying it to him WAS her telling him she doesn't regret anything. Throughout the movie he kept saying "This isn't my responsibility" or "This isn't my problem" and almost every time she would tell him that it WAS his responsibility bc of his powers. I just feel like she kept being built up to say it Throughout and her saying it as she's dying was her telling him one last time in the simplest way she could. She told him that he made the right choice to help them even as she was being hurt and even has he was regretting ever trying. I'm not gonna say it didn't feel weird having her say it, it did, but I think her saying it made sense given how he was acting throughout the movie and with how she kept responding to him.
Loved the Spider bro's hanging out and comparing notes on like where their webbing comes from and such. My only issue was at the end, why didn't they just use the spell to have everyone forget Spider-Man instead of Peter? Then he could have just rolled off to MIT with Ned and MJ and busted Spider-Man back out whenever he was needed. The massive sacrifice felt unnecessary after all he'd already lost, especially since he didn't have any of the usual Spider-Man bravado that usually leads to these problems.
Holy crap you’re right. I didn’t even think about that but yeah. The only issue is see with that is MJ as a big part of how she got with him was through him being Spider-Man and that it would really mess with the themes of the movie. But logically If the spell was performed the other way around it would have been better for Peter.
Someone pointed out Strange says he changed the spell six times, but Peter corrects him, saying it was only 5.
Either there was a miscount somewhere, or Strange purposely didn't mention that he included himself in the last spell change.
I love this theory and I'm on board!
I disagree with a lot of your negatives but to each their own
What I will say is that I think people think that Dr Strange is a lot more responsible and careful than he actually is, keep in mind that in his first movie not only does he steal the Eye of Agamoto, read several books he was told were too dangerous for him and mess with time in an unprecedented way to defeat Dormammu but he was proven right to do so every time and even discovered that the Ancient One skirted a similar line
He’s hardly a bastion of responsibility or carefulness, that’s why he has Wong
Can we also acknowledge that texting and driving is the reason Doctor Strange is... fucking Doctor Strange?
Agreed. The dude's always been so arrogant. He is definitely a better person now, but people mistake that for being a responsible person. He was responsible in his duty of keeping the Time stone safe, yes, but that doesn't mean he was suddenly as wise as the Ancient One. Not to mention he'd cast the spell before. He knew he could do it. He just didn't expect Peter to keep interfering with the spell. Talking while a sorcerer is casting is a VERY bad thing to do.
Anyone who says, "Oh, Dr. Strange would never be reckless, he's a responsible guy!" doesn't know shit about Dr. Strange rofl
I chalked it up to Strange having a soft spot for Peter. He really seemed down when Peter was about to walk away, and his reaction to Peter's choice at the end solidified for me that he loves Peter. I hope to see more of them!!
@@filmfangirls9163 when strange said hasn't the kid been through enough that was enough justification for him helping for me.
I felt like Andrew's Peter crying after salving MJ also comes from the realization that Tom's Peter wouldn't have any fault if he wasn't able to save her, bc he could see the situation from outside. So it was a double relieve understanding that and being able to save someone's love. Also, maybe his line about becoming bitter and stop holding back punches kinda sound like it was sorta "justification" for his lack of a third movie. Like "I'm no longer a hero".
Tobey's Peter talking about Harry's death, for me, was okay, because his the older one, he had years to come to terms with this fact and accept it. Also, they made up before the death, wich doesn't leave a feeling like "I wish I had...", That makes harder to go on
I didn't understand why Peter had the ability to get back to his body after projecting, tho. But whats bothers me the most is: the spell did not specify anything about erasing registers, only memories. Which means: there are worldly spread archives linking Peter to spiderman and the people from his life. And even if it was not a thing, he was videotaped by all his colleagues, Flash wrote a book about their "friendship" (it was fake, but it proves the connection). And even if you disconsidered everything since the announcement of his identify, we live in the digital era: photos, texts, etc. All is still there!
I guess we just have to somehow believe the spell erased all of that...?
You're completely right that the main issue with the plot is the spell. They just leave us to assume how that worked out without giving us much evidence about it.
I wouldn't think too hard about the magic. I don't think we're meant too. It's a superhero movie after all.
I would disagree on the "wouldn't have any fault if he wasn't able to save her", it would be still his fault for involving helpless civilians into such a dangerous situation so by proxy it would still be his fault if they die.
It absolutely killed me when Andrew said "I'm lame" way more than I loved Tobey going "You're amazing". About the spell, I suppose it would erase all that...
"no matter how many times things blow up in your face you cant let it make you bitter and you let it stop you from trying" really meant a lot to me 🥺 thanks amanda
I'm so happy andrew is getting the attention he deserved.
Heck yeah!!
I loved the movie but I had a lot of the same issues you did, so glad to see I’m not crazy. I could write a whole essay but the main thing I want to say was nicely summarised by ‘FilmSpeak’: at least when you watch the tobey and Andrew franchises, you know that you’re watching a Spider-Man movie. But every movie in tom Holland’s trilogy feels like just another mcu movie instead of a Spider-Man movie.
When (Andrew) Peter saved MJ was my favorite moment too! I haven't watched the TASM movies since they came out and I forgot how good he was. He managed to balance the witty humor and the genuine emotion so well. Seeing him again I just want him back. I want TASM 3 so bad.
The reason I don’t mind how “end of the world” the plot of the movie felt is because all of this lead to the perfect end of the movie: he is now just your neighborhood Spider-Man, for real this time. No Iron Man or his gadgets, not even his friends and family. Just him, a crappy apartment, and his big brain. Of course I don’t want him to stay all alone, Peter Parker is allowed to have friends. I got off track but ya I don’t mind the dimensions and magic, since all of it led up to us getting a TRUE Spidey. And also the nostalgia was nice :))
Loving all the love Andrew Garfield is getting it is completely deserved. Someone said he's the Marvel's Princess Diana and that's so true lol
Spiderman never gets old. Other hero movies just lose their touch. As far as games are concerned, their mostly good. Spiderman ps4, and Batman Arkham to name a few.
I agree with everything you said but I can forgive most of it. The biggest problem I had was Sandman's 180 from 'Hey Spider-man, I can help' to 'Not my Spider-man, I'm bad again', even though Tom was Spider-manning like a champ.
He didn't become bad he just wanted to go home to his daughter, like, literally.
Right? Like, he went straight from "I'll help" to "I don't trust you but I'll be here." Then suddenly "I'll kill you."
Like...wtf? That's not my sandman.
Yeah I was VERY confused by Sandman's motivations in this movie. If all he wanted was to go home to his daughter then it would've made way more sense for him to help Peter. I can understand him being a bit skeptical, since he's never met this Peter before, but Peter was literally trying to rehabilitate them and send them home! Helping Peter would've given him the best chance to go home to his own universe, it doesn't make any sense to fight him.
He was on Spiderman's side, but remember, he was from the Maguire universe, so he was specifically on Maguire Spiderman's side. He doesn't know Holland's Spiderman. So this new Spiderman is a stranger to him and that begins to make him distrustful of him.
Then the villains become more mistrustful of Holland's Spiderman/Peter Parker after hearing about Strange's plan to send them back to their universes because of how they apparently die in their respective universes fighting Spiderman. So each of them, including Sandman/Flint Marko, thinks that this new unknown Spiderman is out to kill them (or at least let them die). He doesn't know that Holland's Spiderman doesn't want to let him die and that he actually wants to help him.
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An argument emerged where there was a back-and-forth between Holland's Spidey and the villains. Holland's Spidey tries to let them know that he is trying to come up with cures to help them manage the symptoms of their powers. However, Electro/Max, who is still skeptical of Spidey, wonders if this "cure" is really a means to incapacitate them completely so that if he tries to kill them or send them to die against the Spideys from their respective universes, they won't be able to fight back and defend themselves because they lost their powers. (And I suspect that his skepticism of Holland's Spidey came from his own insecurity where he felt like he was "nothing" without his powers, as he already described himself as a nobody before becoming Electro, and how he felt like a nobody again after he lost his electric power at the end).
Then when Goblin turns on Holland's Spidey, he further compounds the distrust of the villains when he argues that their powers and abilities are gifts, not curses that need curing or removal. Goblin came from a similar place where he felt powerless and weak without the goblin serum and the struggle between his two selves was fighting an evil version of himself that desired above all else to be free to do what he wants without others stopping his choices or taking what is valuable to him or obstructing his attempts to reach a goal he has. After he tells the other villains that their powers are gifts, not curses, that's when all hell broke loose as their skepticism of Holland's Spidey rose to full distrust and they all became convinced that Spidey's attempt to cure them was really just an attempt to take away their powers/abilities so they would be easier to defeat and kill.
Hearing Amanda admitting she likes The Amazing Spider-Man makes me feel validated bc it's my favorite version of Spider-Man and I'm not going to take any criticism about that. Though I do enjoy the others too. Second favorite is Spiderverse. Third is the OG.
As someone who always liked Andy Garfield, it really feels lovely to be vindicated and see the surge of love for his Spidey.
The guy is hella talented.
The cheers when Andrew showed up were louder than I’ve heard in years, maybe ever. Such a good redemption
Maybe that's cause he appears first, when Tobey did it wasn't a surprise
@@lucianacarvalho3136 naw cuz my theatre split up in applauding for their favorite. Both just as loud lol the also cheered for Matt and Jamie Foxx lol we just had such a fun time!
@@filmfangirls9163 I did too! My favorite was Matt!
@@lucianacarvalho3136 yes!!! I didnt expect him at all!!
I was really happy Andrew Grafield got the due cred he deserved & everyone in the theater cheered and/or cried when he saved M.J.
I never realized until watching this video that: Peter should have just left the spell alone and just told whoever he wanted to about his identity.
Right!? I was watching the moive but I'm shocked that Stranger just didn't say "Well, to bad kid. Just tell them the old fashion way."
An other thing that kinda annoyed me was, there were other heros still around. Why couldn't Peter try to ask if they can vouch for his innocents?
@@scp--297 true... and since we're using magic, Strange could have just shown the world how evil Mysterio was.
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Yeah! Also, Mysterio isn't working alone. So they could have just grabbed any of his associates to help prove how evil he was with or without magic.
This moive really could have end if they both used there brain cells.
@@scp--297 lol yeah it's fun fantasizing about ways many movies could've easily solved their biggest apparent "conflict" 😂
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Facts, I bet there some fanfiction writers who are did or are writing about this.
However, if they really want the plot to do down. Why didn't they just use Dr. Strange ego? Sure, they kinda did but I feel like they were too afraid to pull on that. They should have, that way it doesn't make him down but a flaw guy who was too proud to go the "normal route." Peter just egg him on and instead of making them look both dumb down. It just shoes how young Peter is while showing that Dr. Strange is flawed and sometimes let's his pride get in the way.
That's a lesson that a lot of people still struggle with.
There is a difference though; "Civil War" Parker may have been referring to his Uncle Ben's death, but we also are not sure if he was or not (based solely by what is on screen, we don't even know what happened to MCU Ben).
It seems like Peter in "Civil War" is more guilty about his inaction to help others when he knows he can (to "stand up for the little guy.")
This explains his immaturity in "Homecoming", not fully realizing being an Avenger has nothing to do with being a hero in a suit, but being willing to sacrifice for the greater good (splitting with Liz to stop her father).
So in "Infinity War", when Iron Man is frustrated with Peter being a stowaway, Peter says, "You can't be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man if there is no neighborhood."; he's learned his lesson (Ironically, this lesson he learned from Tony is what will Tony will eventually need to remember after he rejects the idea of a time heist in "ENDGAME").
Peter returns to life, and he loses Tony. Later, he struggles with the idea of being the next Iron Man. In an effort to avoid these stresses he was very unprepared for, Peter decides to enjoy his vacation in Europe, even going so far as to give EDITH to Quentin Beck to shoulder that responsibility. However, he realizes anything bad that happens afterward will be on his head, so he stops Mysterio in "FFH".
In "NWH", Peter's motivation changes drastically after he is attacked by Goblin; not only is he responsible for the five villains that came into his universe, but his compassion led to one of them killing one he loved dearly. He hears the words, but is too filled up with sorrow and rage to really care. After talking with two other Spider-Men, the line "with great power, comes great responsibility" is shown in a different light to Peter; instead of simply a responsibility to help those who are innocent and in danger, there is a responsibility to be compassionate towards those who would hurt others, including himself.
He still hasn't fully understood this idea though when he finally confronts the source of his grief; it takes one more interference before Peter makes the choice that would make his aunt proud.
However, there is one last sacrifice to make; he sacrifices himself for the greater good of his world, much like his mentor Tony did, but on a different level; whereas Tony will be remembered for his death and sacrifice forever, Peter and his sacrifice are not remembered at all, despite him still being alive (which technically makes him the next Iron Man, just not in the way we expected; being Iron Man isn't about the suit, but the person inside).
With all these ideas in mind, we can understand that the MCU Spider-Man was the story of an immature teenager who learns to become the responsible superhero we all know and love.
Writing this helped me appreciate "NWH" for what it is, and further solidified my opinion of "NWH" being the best Tom Holland Spider-Man movie so far.
Just thought you'd be interested.
As a long time marvel watcher from Iron man and earlier, this was not my experience of Holland's Spiderman journey.
I loved far from home because I was seeing a coming of age story about a very young super hero. That coming of age element in that teenage environment and teenage setting Dealing with teenage problems on top of his superhero problems, it all me relate to him way more in Homecoming and civil war that I just couldn't in the other marvel Spiderman films. In the other Spiderman films, no way home and far from home, it felt to me like his superhero problems became more the focus of the films than his teenage problems, which made me relate to him less. I definitely see where you're coming from in this analysis, but idk, I just didn't see it when I saw the other two marvel Spiderman sequels. It seemed like too much marvel superhero, too little neighborhood Spiderman
The way Tom’s Peter says “I know” after May says the great responsibility line, made me feel like it was in fact a line said by his Uncle, and it was her way of reminding him of that. But then it does get lost on me when the other peters mention their uncle bens, and Toms Peter says nothing. It seems like maybe in the beginning of MCU Spider-Man that the plan was that uncle Ben did exist and had his death moment already played out before we met Tom- which I take from his talk with tony in civil war plus the suitcase he uses in far from home, among other things noted in this video- but then I think they decided to shift their focus to making may be the person who influences this universes Peter in the same way uncle Ben usually has. I feel like there could have been a better balance. In the comics there are moments where Peter realizes the sacrifices may has made and her strength, so in mcu they could have tied in what he learned from May since bens death to the messages left behind by Ben.
Only the uneducated and delusional ones that saw this movie, thought a good movie when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it. This movie is a 👎👎👎. Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange is way more powerful than Spider-Man. Also, Dr.Strange can make Spider-Man not escape from him without even trying especially in his own dimension. Don’t y’all see what’s going on here? Kevin Feige is slowly nerfing marvel characters. He did it to hulk already and now it’s Dr. Strange turn. Open your eyes people. Not rocket science to figure this one out if you have a brain 🤣🤣🤣
@@Cpk86 how’s the air up there on your soapbox?
@@Cpk86 you’ve replied this so many times you’re obsessed 😂 are you not embarrassed?
Yeah, after the first 2 movies, this movie had every reason to mention Uncle Ben and clarify the confusion on what's happened with his character,... but they didn't. Even when Peter visited Aunt Mays grave, they could have shown Uncle Ben's grave, but didn't. Which leads me to believe that he didn't have the same impact in the mcu as in other adaptations. He could have died or left when Peter was very young, that would explain a lot. Maybe Aunt May raised Peter as a single parent, and that's why he didn't flinch when the other spider-men mentioned their Uncle Ben's.
If the plan really was always that Uncle Ben was an important figure in Peter's life, I think we would have seen him mourning, especially since we saw him, still not over Tony's death, 6 months later. At the very least Peter should have a photo of him on his desk or something, it's weird that the only thing that confirms his existence is a suitcase, did they scrub the house of any traces of him after he died?
this is my favourite movie of all time and has inspired me to rewatch the original trilogy and duology
Already did. They're all still great movies. 🥰
I felt like everyone in this movie was suffering from some form of brain rot making little to no logical decisions. No one moved from obviously dangerous situations, there was a lot of awkward interactions, most jokes didnt land for me, peter was very dumb, some of the villains from the old movies felt very ooc. man idk I just didnt like this movie at all. I did like Andrew's emotional scenes but they also happened so fast that we were already to the next part we couldn't actually linger on the emotion long enough.
I agree with you. The thing is we wanted to like the film. But this is like the emperor’s new clothes. Everyone congratulating him - but he’s bare @zzed naked. Someone has to speak up and say it. Thank you.
I have a lot of thoughts on this film so here goes 😅
1. The pacing was frustrating to me bc the trailers reveal the catalyst for the rest of the film, so for the first but I just felt like I was waiting to catch up to the trailer and I found myself a little bored tbh (not the very beginning tho I LOVE the chaos that happens immediately following the end of Far From Home too many movies just do a time jump after that and I loved that we picked up exactly where we left off).
2. I really wish that the city was more divided on whether Spider-Man was a criminal or not. I feel like the stakes were too low for Strange’s spell (like you didn’t get into college?? I’m sorry but that’s it?!?) but if the city was devolving into a war between those who supported Spider-Man and those who didn’t (think of Peter seeing people get into physical fights over Spider-Man, or riots or something) I could totally see Strange doing the spell to fix it (at least more so than the way the movie is rn). Like raise the stakes by having Peter’s identity being revealed, all his friends and family are effected, none of them get into college, and THEN on TOP OF THAT the city is destroying itself over its “friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man”.
3. This kind of goes with my second point but like why didn’t Peter tell anyone that Mysterio wasn’t from another universe?? Like I may have forgotten something in Far From Home but wouldn’t there be a record of a former Stark Industries employee that looks like him and has his name?? No internet sleuths found that?? Like THAT could’ve worked perfectly in dividing the city bc there would be reasons why people would believe him.
4. I actually love the line that Aunt May says bc to me it solidifies the fact that this trilogy of Spider-Man movies was actually Tom Holland’s origin story, not Homecoming. It’s unfortunate the way that they did it but I love the idea that Aunt May was this Spider-Man’s version of Uncle Ben and gave us the iconic line that I personally felt was missing from the movies. They probably should’ve changed Homecoming bc they did allude to something happening with Uncle Ben but it wasn’t specific enough so I like that they changed it to Aunt May! Again, it was handled badly but I think the idea was great. (Though I was screaming internally at Peter not swinging her to a hospital IMMEDIATELY after a bomb blew up beside her?? Like she could have a concussion even if she was fine Peter come on move it?!?? XD)
5. I’m willing to forgive the issues with sandman and the lizard bc I don’t think the actors could return but yeah I wish Conners’ character wasn’t reduced to “hey wanna be a lizard?”
6. My BIGGEST gripe with the film was actually the end credit scene (not the first one, the one after the scrolling credits). Why. The fuck. Would you just out a trailer at the end of a movie. It’s completely unrelated to the film apart from doctor strange being in it, and completely soured the end for me. I didn’t need a set up for a future movie, I didn’t need a big reveal or anything like that, just something as simple as the shawarma scene at the end of avengers would’ve been enough!! I know that some people were really hype for it but I don’t care about a trailer I could’ve just watched a day or so later on RUclips 🤷🏼♀️.
It’s also going to age like milk. Bc as soon as that movie is released there will be no reason to watch the end credit scene. Isn’t that really weird to anyone else? How in the future, after potentially watching dozens of marvel movies with end credit scenes, future kids are just gonna see a trailer for a film that’s already been released and think “what was the point of that?”. The hype will be nonexistent at that point and I think ruins the MCU tradition only end credit scenes (apart from endgame, which was incredibly poignant by not having one). Idk if this is the first time this has happened but I just thought it was the wrong time to promote another marvel project when I was still emotionally drained from the movie I was currently at. I could not give less of a fuck about the trailer and I honestly would’ve just left if I had known that’s what it was.
Alright I think that’s it! I’m not changing any of my opinions but I love hearing others lol hope that wasn’t too long!!
Just seeing Matt Murdock for those 30 seconds on the silver screen made it worth the money for D-box tickets! Our interpretation (myself and my husband) was that because he showed up (along with another in Hawkeye) 'maybe' the Netflix heroes are canon. I'm excited as heck to see who is going to show up next!
I still question why Tobey's Peter never actually spoke to Goblin like the whole movie. Was expecting him to say something like "Hey, so I'm kind of the reason your son died too, just FYI."
I'm pretty sure every single weird character dynamic thing like that, or even weird edit sometimes, is because the movie was a nightmare to shoot logistically and half of the principal cast were never even in the same room as any of the others. For that last scene on the shield I'm betting Maguire and Dafoe shot their parts months apart and it all got spliced together months after _that._
why would he say that to an emotionally unstable villain, also if he's cured, then Harry doesn't die
That would be cruel and totally not something any interaction of Peter Parker would say.
why would he say that to him?
@@gautamvaze1101 That is if he doesn't become mentally unhinged either way for another reason.
Loved this movie and Tom’s Spidey overall but it is really sad that it felt like Holland’s version never got the training wheels off. This trilogy was a prolonged origin story.
Oh well, still have Insomniac Spider-Man for a perfect version of Peter
Sandman and Dr Connors were harder to do because the actors couldn't actually get on set due to COVID so they used old footage or had to rely on CGI.
I'm super glad for your commentary because yeah I really enjoyed watching this movie but I would definitely sum it up as "fun but flawed". Most of why I liked it was seeing the three spiderman iterations riff off of each other and seeing the other two spidermen get some of their own forms of closure and growth but.... you can't make a good movie purely off of referencing other movies. And it does say something that I think audiences (myself included) responded so much more excitedly to Andrew's spider man than Tom's (my bb Andrew deserves a completed arc though so no complaints in that regard)
All that to say I did really enjoy watching the movie but yeah not the best regarding plot/writing. Dr. strange would NEVER have done that original spell.
This is up there with spiderverse for my favorite Spider-Man film. I’m not even that nostalgic for the past movies, but I somehow got hyped. My only notable problem is how they did my dude, Venom, wrong. That’s more a personal thing. But if you don’t have an attachment to that character, you probably won’t care. But for me, that was like the Ralph Boner moment in Wandavision
Honestly low-key glad Marvel's doing their own Venom because the way Hardy Venom's been written so far and how it leans way closer to edgy anti-hero Venom just wouldn't work for me in a versus setting with Spider-Man
At least now I can hope they do Venom closer to pre-Lethal Protector and him actually being a villain
I love the Venom movies with all my heart, but I just think that there were so many characters and plot points to hit on no way home that Eddie being there would be a little bit convoluted. At least they set up some stuff with the post credit scene! And it also embraced Venom chaotic energy :))
Plus, there's a lot of stuff you have to know before going to see no way home, and I feel they would have to explain the Venom from the movies (bc I don't believe people have seen it as much as they have seen the other spiderman movies)
I think you’ll be grateful for it in the future if you like venom, since he’s gonna get a whole movie to himself and Spider-Man now.
Dr Strange doing the spell is in line with his character in his own movie, even if he seemed very responsible in later movies. Aunt May pushing Peter to help the villains is my one big gripe with this movie but they needed something to prevent them from being sent back to their universe and the movie being over in 30 minutes
I honestly had no idea how many people were going to be bothered by Strange cast the spell. Didnt seem to be huge deal when the trailer came out but now the movies out and people are finding it to be a huge deal.
Yeah May wanting to save Ock I wouldve loved but Gobbie? Naww let him die lol
@@filmfangirls9163 her wanting to save Osborn makes sense? Like, she told Peter that "he's not all there," and we know she does community service. She might have met people in her work who, at first glance, seem like. In that "he's not all there" (for a lack of better term on my part). She probably empathized with him, and the other villains, and wanted to see them saved. The real issue is that Aunt May just suddenly became a main character, but it would've been hard to have it be otherwise because in Far From Home, the story happens far from home. As for Dr Strange, yeah it was pretty much in character.
@@nathanjuste6778 oh yeah sure! I just meant that as more of a preference lol I cant stand Norman. I love the Defoe and his performance! I just hate his character.
@@filmfangirls9163 ya I get you, he's so despicable!
@@nathanjuste6778 right?!
Me appreciating Amanda loving Andrew/Andrew's Peter🥺
All the love for Andrew!
@@filmfangirls9163 yupppp
I feel like the emphasis and repetition of “great power comes great responsibility” really does drive in that point to the audience and Peter. This Peter was younger than all past incarnations- he started the series at 15! He was still growing up and learning and his trauma is immense, so I think it’s May reminding him (do feel that they should have invoked uncle Ben more though) of this and uncle Ben, especially with her comment of “it’s what we do.”
Amazing review. I agreed with so much. As soon as the movie ended for me I was like o no I didn’t love it. But then since everyone thinks it’s the best Spider-Man man movie they think you hated it which is far from the truth. To me it just wasn’t perfect and watching this video will help me get across my points well without dragging the movie. SPOILER…. My fave seen also was andrews reaction to saving MJ. I too prefer emotional build up as oppose to the big fights.
I am sad that you don’t love this movie as much as you wanted, but personally this is probably my favorite Spider-Man movie next to spiderverse, I’m not even nostalgic for the past movies but everything good about this movie I just love so much. I think this trilogy works as a sort of long origin story for Peter, and I feel like this is the most Peter/Spider-Man a live action Spider-Man has been.
So you're saying Tom Spiderman is better than Tobby and Andrew? God help this mediocre mcu version.
@@peacepham7838 Your. Opinion. Means. Nothing.
Thank you so much for putting out a video mid-holidays. Can't wait to see what you do in '22.
TASM fans are coming out of the woodwork and I’m here for it. Andrew deserves all of the love and respect
Honestly, I think it would have been way better if Aunt May just died and then the other two Spidermen gave him the "with great power comes great responsibility" line. Let the old Spidermen teach the newest one something they had to deal with in similar bouts of rage.
I kinda agree, but they had that line deliverer by uncle Ben and holland's Ben figure is May so I actually really like it that she was the one who said it!
I LOVED that she said it. She actually meant something to Peter and the audience.
I liked that she said it. It really shows that a part of being Spider-Man is hearing that line and whether or not the multiverse shenanigans happened, she would've told him that.
I disagree. May saying it holds more weight for Peter personally as it's coming from his parental figure that he's about to lose. With May dying as she says it much like Ben did, and Peter continuing to live by those words, it's an act of him carrying out his last remaining family's dying wish. On top of that, each Spiderman having heard those words from their own respective parental figures and then Peter (Tom) saying it aloud, allowed all three of them to connect and begin forming their bond with one another as equal counterparts.
@@braveheartalice the problem is that it was already implied that he knew the lesson, it would've been much better if they framed it as him having to remember the lesson
I definitely agree with you that Aunt Mays line felt cheap. When i was watching the movie, that scene literally took me out of the zone, it felt so painfully scripted in. Like they just forced it in there at the last second.
You nailed my biggest problem with the movie, aside from the weird pacing.
The "with great power comes great responsability" being something he has to learn. In his first scene in Civil War, he basically said the line, he is already Spiderman.
So why not just frame it as him having to re-learn it? It would have been so easy to fix, just have Aunt May say "REMEMBER, Peter? With great power there must also come great responsibility". Just adding like, a word, helps it so so much.
And if you want to actively mention Uncle Ben, have Tom recognize the line and his name when Andew and Tobey mention him, and that's it! It's so easy to fix!
Frame it as him having to re-learn the lesson after all the shit he went through in his previous appearances, not as a brand new thing.
I didn't like that Peter never reacted when the other spideys were talking about Uncle Ben, but if Aunt May is supposed to be that Uncle Ben replacement figure it could work, maybe Uncle Ben in the mcu, isn't the one who teaches the lesson to Peter. What if Aunt May was a kinda single parent, and Uncle Ben was barely there or not significant in the same way.
@@junaydfisher211 I’m pretty sure uncle Ben did not exist in this universe.
@@ollieno971 the director and Kevin feige have talked about uncle Ben existing in the mcu, it's just that they never showed it. So I take their word for it, I'm just saying the lack of evidence could point to this uncle Ben being a very different take on the character
I know it might not be fair to compare this to Into the Spider-verse, but I think I liked that better as a stand-alone, and better as a multiple spider-people team-up movie, but it obviously lacks the connecting other movies thing/nostalgia thing. Would love to hear your thoughts on Into the Spider-verse vs No way Home.
My review of this movie to people was: "It was fun! But it's basically the plot of Into the Spiderverse, and Into the Spider verse did it better." XD
I love amanda and i see what she did there changing the title, but I‘m just here dropping a like and leaving, because I need my perfect view experience to go unquestioned and stay intact😅
This was really validating. I just saw No Way Home last night and all of my friends were like 'I loved it!' But I felt basically exactly how you felt.
In any form of storytelling I'm always against this trope of "I'll do something for your sake and safety but won't tell you". Yeah, Peter's friends will be safer without him in their lives. But! They have the right to choose. And Peter taking their right is inherently selfish, not selfless.
Yes I hate it when characters do that in movies! "I'm going to stay away from my loved ones, even though they love me and understand the consequences of associating with me, because I have decided that I know what's best for them!" And then that decision always just leads to both parties being needlessly miserable. Now in this situation MJ and Ned will probably be fine since they can't remember anything about Peter anyway, but since this is the MCU I'm sure they're going to find out eventually. And once they find out that Peter chose not to come back for them, they'll probably feel pretty betrayed. Or at least, I know I would if put in that situation.
I agree with this except for the fact that by the end of the movie, Peter wasn't making his choice solely for MJ and Ned. When he tells Strange to go on with the spell, it's literally with the all of the multiverse coming to cause havoc. And for him not revealing his identity in the aftermath at the coffee shop, I just don't but that "hi I'm Peter Parker and I'm your boyfriend/best friend" would have worked on its own. I know that would have been ideal and lovely, but realistically who would believe this? It sucks and can be seen as selfish, but in the end he had no choice and i think it works in this narrative since he has to sacrifice to atone for the mistakes he's made.
Bull fucking shit
Yesssssssss thank you Amanda, I have waited for this since the movie came out!!
I also love your dying love for Andrew
The fact that I just got back form seeing No Way Home and come back to see this video of yours up is just perfect timing.
Andrew will always be my favourite, not only because of how he played the character but just him as a person himself. The person I understand him to be (as I don't know him) just seems so good and genuine. I hope he gets more of the love he deserves.
Could someone explain to me how Strange's last spell doesn't mess up all the other universes and have the same effect in those places as well? If they stop coming because they forget, doesn't that mean they will also forget in their own worlds?
Right?! Those Spider-Man lives are fucked now.. Well, there personal lives are fucked now.
@@scp--297 I have a further question about where the rehabilitated villains go. Did they just disappear at the moment of their death, and reappear in the present time (say, Doc Ock and Norman go back with the older Toby etc), changing the whole timeline having been missing for years? or do they just arrive back as good guys to the moment of their death and die, making the whole thing pointless? Arrrghh
@@ursulaking4411
Right are is it like a Christmas Carol situation. Where is the day they are about to died but because they are good. They can change it now? That bring up questions like:
If Green goblin is alive. Does Doc Oct live in the same timeline or does he just go to a different time line where Green Goblin is still dead? If they are both in the same timeline then it might be very awkward for those who came after the first villains death in Toby's universe.
If not then it's awkward for the villains and might lead them to question things because they know Spider-Man did save them yet "they" are the only ones still alive. Again, it just bring up questions the more you think about it.
changes the timelines
@@scp--297 I wish they had thought this through just a bit more in such a huge production...I enjoyed the film a lot but weeks later these questions are my takeaways...
@@ursulaking4411 I think it resulted in split timeline like it was explained in the Endgame and Loki. They appear right in the moment they were taken from (hopefully having some time to "save themself" from death) and each of them create their own timeline. So Dr. Octavius returns into timeline where Osborn died, and Otto can survive now. However Sandman returned into timeline where also Otto died. Tobey returned into timeline where they both Osborn and Octavius died. And so on.
I don't like that they did not show or explain any of these not explicit answers to obvious questions and make the audience come up with explanations.
Still don't know what the end spell actually did. How does Happy think he met aunt May and so on. How do people remember these big parts of their life that were caused by the fact that Peter is Spiderman. Another example is how did MJ and Ned became friends? If the spell was that people remember Peter AND remember Spiderman but not that he is spiderman, it's obvious, but they totally forgot Peter so I am really confused because MJ and Ned became friends through Peter. Also how do they remember their appearence on the Statue of Liberty (the end fight?). They were there because of their personal connection to Spiderman...
Theres also physical stuff about Peter like ID, birth certificate and so on. If these also dissappeared, how can he prove his identity in his day-to-day activities if he "does not exist"?
I just wish they specified these boundaries/rules of the spell more clearly. I think that most people have these questions and it's really hard to not think about these. If they expect us to not to "think much about it" they should not introduce complex concepts like these. I'm still not sure about how the Loki stuff works, would like to discuss it with more people.
Don’t forget about the magic box having basically a “send home” button on it that Peter would press if the villains did anything and specifically told MJ to keep safe and if he called her or she didn’t hear from him in a while to push it and it would send all the villains back, so even if the villains didn’t go along with Peter’s plan, he had a backup in case things went sideways. You could argue the logistics of why some of the villains would even want to stay for rehabilitation in the first place besides maybe electro saying he liked the different energy Peter’s universe had?? But I think when they found out it was their fate to die as soon as they were sent back, they were curious to see where this would go and thought they’d take rehab over death? That just makes the most sense to me anyway.
Wow, cute, i mean, you could just say it was bad and leave it like that since the movie still was good despide some really stupid things, but you gotta come up with this for the movie?? Anyways, cheers mate
bc they didnt want to die dude. why is that confusing? "hey do you want to change your ways or die right now?"
"Guess I'll try something new." How is this illogical?
@@JohnJohn-fe6yc and how did his plan turn out, and how efective was his "threat"?? Please
@@martinacosta3821 are you dumb? In the end they cured and talked down literally everyone effectively changing all their fates in their respective universes.
@@JohnJohn-fe6ycyeah, nothing happened, his aunt didnt die because of it, millions of dollars didnt go to waste in property damage, and we dont know if they killed or injured more people, but sure, lets say it was a solid plan.
And you know, their fate really didnt change, given that they were pluck out right before dying, so if they go at the same moment, they still die, And i could go on and say more, much more, but sure, i am dumb, sorry.
I really liked the movie. But I can absolutely not deal with the end of it. 😢
I always loved Spider-Man and I especially love Tom Hollands version. But since he is the youngest and looks the youngest I always get the "I want to wrap him in a blanket and protect him from all evil"-feeling. With Peter AND Tom. So the end hurt so so much. He lost everything and everyone and is all alone. I want to watch the movie again but I don't know if I can stand it. I was so sad for the rest of the day after we left the cinema.
Something that is still bugging me was the final spell... The spell was about everione forgetting who spider is right? Or who peter parker is? Because if it was the first one Mj his friend and Happy would now him as a "normal" person... but if its the later he would not have any records in the school or and ID... Am I thinking this way to much?? Lol
It’s that no one knows who Peter is, it’s exactly why he has G.E.D stuff so he can get a high school diploma
Amandaaa you have to make a video on the Amazing Spiderman! Seeing you love him and understanding how *amazing*ly Andrew played him warmed my heart.
In all honesty, as someone who’s dealt with a lot of self worth issues and really related to this iteration of Spider-Man, Peter’s realisation at the end of this movie that his friend’s were better off without him felt kinda fucked up to me. Especially after everything he went through in this movie
Me too. That part kinda irked me, but after thingking about it (and many many youtube videos later), i feel like it kinda makes sense why Peter doesn't feel that his presence is important.
He missed some, if not all, of his important school moments ; Prom, Homecoming, Field trips - Peter barely attended them all.
But again that's just for school. He's gone trough more with Ned and MJ. I don't think he thought that his friends would be better of without him, but they would be safe without him. At least for now.
Actually. Maybe that's the reason i liked him walking away from MJ and not explaining. It gave the sense that he's willing to wait untill everything settles down, until he's sure that it's okay to rrach out to them again.
He became your friendly neighbourhood spiderman again.
@@Angel12068 that's why I hated it though. I'm tired of this "people will be safer without me in their lives" bs that it seems like EVERY grounded super hero has to have, unless their friends are supers too. It's played to death. Fundamentally, I'd be pissed if I found out my best friend brain washed me then let me go on being brain washed AFTER I told them to make sure I remembered. Especially if I was helping them, I knew the risks but I chose to get involved anyways. At this point I think it just comes off as overplayed, and ultimately makes me not care if a relationship isn't going to last. Why make friends? It's why I liked Tobey's line that you CAN have a relationship as Spiderman, you just have to figure out what works for you. THAT'S the story I want told/explored, not the played out "waaah, I'll be alone forever" brooding hero bs
@@32fps THIS! Especially as in this movie it felt not like an emotional decision for the characters but instead as a means to reset the character of Spider-Man’s place in the MCU to more align with the comics. It’s an overdone trope that I really hoped the MCU characterisation was avoiding playing into too hard it’s just disappointing that it didn’t stay that way
@@Angel12068 again as someone who, for both health and personal problems partly as a result of the aforementioned self worth issues, didn’t attend most of those herself it just stings even more that Peter feels inconsequential in the lives of those around him for the very same thing. Especially when you consider how huge and important the reasons were for his missing out compared to someone such as myself
@@32fps True! I admit that that trope is overused. But now that you mentioned Toby's line about "You'll make time for relationships"
Spiderman, or spesifically Peter Parker, is just a high schooler that got to be a superhero. And unlike Toby and Andrew who didn't have the avengers, they were used to fighting alone while Tom's spiderman mainly fights with other people or the help of other people (this of course doesn't mean that Spiderman never fought alone)
Him being alone, in my eye, is a perfect way to expand on his character more. He'll have to find how to manage this double life because in honesty, he can't have both at the same time when he is unprepared.
And overall, he will learn how to do relationships. Especially if you think about it, most of the avengers are either dead, on the run, or a war criminal and not to count that they may or may not forget who Peter Parker is.
This is getting ong and i apologize for that lol- basically, i think him being alone and having gone trough all that would make a good self descovery and growth.
He's young and unexperienced. Even in the start he didn't even know that he can plead his case to the collage.
Honestly I’m with you and Andrew has always been my favourite Peter Parker. I also genuinely like his movies better and NWH only solidified the fact that he’s the superior Peter Parker. Tobey was great as nostalgia bait and I just loved to see the three of them perform THEIR characters in their own right and it was just great. I agree with all the plot issues tho lmao,
I've also always loved Andrew's Spiderman, so I love all the praise he's finally getting (although I am slightly annoyed that this happened now instead of when they came out lol)
Stephen would 100% try a mind altering spell for kicks and giggles. He was cocky as a surgeon and stayed cocky as a sorcerer.
Imagine how depressed he will be when he finds out that Ned did in 30 seconds what took Strange years to learn
I love the Amazing Spider-Man movies so whenever it's in your background it makes me happy.
Edit: somehow, the internet didn't ruin this for me. I had no idea Andrew Garfield or Toby maguire were going to be in it.
Thats awesome!!
since i don't use face, insta or twitter i didn't get spoiler either
@@martinacosta3821 very smart move! I did my darndest but I failed lol
I was waiting to be able to watch this video!!! I just came home and I’m jealous of your theater experience…. Mine was people just talking and some guys next to me constantly chatting with full brightness and sound on 😡
I'm glad you were honest in this review instead of just saying "It was fun", "10/10 greatest movie ever made", etc You know? The same review all critics and journalists give for ever Marvel movie that is released regardless of what the movie is about or the quality.
I agree Every marvel movie review i've seen is either some 10 out of 10 or some 8.5 like if its the best thing ever created. Though spiderverse is a 10 out of 10
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Yeah, I love Spider-Verse. It's unfortunate that people didn't show up for it until it was on home release.
In general I don't trust MCU reviews.
@@TheDarkAdventure Agreed Honestly
I agree
"But Amanda, what about Tobey?"
I died.
I would totally listen to you ramble on about Andrew's Spidey longer. I never watched the Amazing films, and walked out of this one planning to change that because he was the standout character in the movie for me.
I always felt that Gwen's death was very cheap and forced in the movie just because she died in the comics. However, Andrew's performance when he saved MJ: oof the feels!!
That is not a "tiny studio apartment". That is a freaking mansion in NY.
Hearing your voice crack when talking about Andrew, got me chocked up, can't wait to check this one out after marathoning the other 7
Though I cried during Aunt May's death scene, I felt that the "responsibility" line was too much. She is clearly super important for Tom's Peter and is definitely his moral compass, but the plan was still SO dumb. Like, dude, those are villains who fought a version of Spider-Man. They are bad guys, who did bad things, which is why Spider-Man fought them and had no other choice than killing them (or did not even kill them!) Trust your alternate versions a bit, uh? They're not serial killer Deadpool or Dark Strange!
It would have been better if Tom just wanted to help Dafoe. That does not change a lot to the plot and it would still lead to May's death. Or, it would have been interesting if Jamie Fox was too powerful in this universe and broke free, along with some other villains
Anyways, I still enjoyed that movie and liked that it gave closure to Tobey and Andrew (who IS amazing, love him so much) and really sets up Tom as Spider-Man, the superhero. That ending was so sad... I wish him the best !
I am surprised neither Toby nor Andrew said they already tried to fix their villains, sandman is even forgiven by Peter before dying in Spider Man 3
gonna admit, Friendly Space Ninja caught me off guard there :D :D
On the "great power" note, I think it was more of May using her last moments with Peter to remind him of the lesson that losing his Uncle instilled in him (I'm sure it came up in conversation between them at some point) rather than her thinking it's a lesson she needs to teach him. Sort of like a "hey I'm leaving, but please don't ever forget this" type of thing
That being said, I definitely think May's "Momma Bear" moment just before her death hit even harder. Watching her stand there between Goblin and Peter, ready to tear him apart against all logic and reason, while Peter begs her to go really drove home how strong their relationship was to me. And you can see how scared she is, and how badly she wants to run, but she never does. It's honestly one of my current favorite marvel scenes
That's totally my favorite moment too! Totally teared up when he asked worriedly if she was okay... 🥺😭
I enjoyed the movie I didn’t love it like everyone did. I was expecting more because people overhyped it. Into the spider-verse is still my number one.
Facts. Into The Spider-verse is soo much better lol. It's not even a comparison.
Nice review, always love the longer, in depth videos! Keep on keepin on
The Amazing Spider-Man cut out. Yes
Completely agree that first half a mess that the second half saved, big time. Me and my friend were audibly cursing at the screen mid-way but left the theatre teary eyed after that ending. And the Andrew redemption was long overdue. Our boi deserves more love.
I honestly loved this movie, actually made me like the one more day storyline/concept is a win in my book lol.
Also yes, Andrew was amazing lol. I loved him in this movie lol
You really articulated the problems of this story (barebones) wise. A story with one single vision; with a known beginning, middle, and end always seems more fluent. The “Home” trilogy suffers from a non well paced arc. I feel like Homecoming was setting up for a world where Peter sees •with great power comes with great responsibility” play out in front of him. A world where Avengers fight demi-gods. The thing about the original Ditko/Lee run was there were no Avengers. Peter was learning how to be a hero himself. He didn’t have any visual evidence in front of him; that is until his actions lead to consequences: Uncle Ben, his Villains. Peter learned to grow up in a world where he had to be the hero, he had to learn failure, and pain over and over again. Only to come to a place where he just understands that he can’t have two lives. The “Home” trilogy unfortunately has relied on more incorporation of the MCU. Not to say it can’t happen, but to hinder the titular characters story for it, is diluting it’s impact. It’s not that Peter has to suffer, and always lose, or be exactly like the comics for [insert specific run here]; Spider-Man is one of the most beloved characters, because we sit with a kid who is growing up, living a life trying to do good, and making the right decisions even for self sacrifice. This trilogy seems sparse in actually human problems, and plentiful in Superhuman problems. Spider-Man isn’t always the cause for outside troubles for Peter, but it does inform his every decision. For Peter and Spider-Man. Tbh, I feel like this whole MCU Spidey has seemed messy.