Great to have Walter back again! Last I saw, he was with you in the backyard, politely social-distancing at the 'peak-fear' time of the pandemic. What a treat! Thank you!
As a Trimble employee, I think it’s cool to see our products put to great use. Though I’m in the construction sector, not the geospatial sector, I’m aware of just how precise our GPS equipment is.
This was SO interesting! It was wonderful to see the remote data installation and also see Walter again. CWU has an incredible talent pool. And what incredible views. Thank you for posting.
Every episode again I am amazed about the variety of landscapes and about the wealth of knowledgeable and friendly people you let us meet through your videos. Every episode again we learn a tiny bit more from the endless things there are to know about the geology of Washington. And every episode again shows us your love for geology and the Pacific Northwest. I can't wait to view the Baja-BC A to Z series as well. I love to learn alongside you about Washington's geology. Wish I could visit one day (or preferably more!)
Terrific video. Nice blend of science and general comments. Walter’s range of interests including birding adds a humanist aspect to this clip. Thanks to both Nick and Walter.
What a super place for a hike with such a knowledgeable guide ! I’ve got a better understanding of the GPS set up now and the uses of the data collected, many thanks Walter. Thanks Nick for introducing us to some more of Washington’s tremendous scenery.
I worked on flood control pumping stations on the Washington coast for many years and a couple of them had those bronze geodesic markers inserted into the heavy/thick concrete structures of the pump station base. A few times we had to unlock gates for people who needed to get measurements from those survey markers. Fascinating stuff!
What a pleasure listening to Walter teach us about his work with GPS, I had no idea there were so many of the stations in the Pacific Northwest, including Canada. Thank you Nick for doing what you do. By the way Dr. Campbell is great too, eh?
Wonderful video ! Geology, technology, biology, beautiful views, cool and funny interview with a very cooperative Walter, all wrapped-up in 45 mn. I had a good time watching it.
Fun video - I have lived in Wenatchee all my life and even taken a local wildflower class and never seen or heard of the Wenatchee coneflower - cool!!! There is also a special clover that grows only in the Wenatchee area called Thompson's clover.
What a wonderful video. Not only great geology but some prime biology. Thanks Nick & Dr. Szeliga for a very informative, interesting and entertaining time.
So cool. Loved every nugget of info. Thanks you guys who were born to do this. I smiled to see that last shot of the beautiful butterfly. California something. Very well done. Very gentle. Thanks.
When I first started watching your videos, I too wondered why Central Washington? Wonder no more, it's crystal clear why you live and work there and why Central Washington is such an amazing area for many reasons, including being a geologist. The helicopter fly-by timing was perfect, if I didn't know better I would think the fly-by was pre-planned. Fascinating information! Another great video!
Loved this video. I enjoyed the science and the friendly banter and of course the amazing views. Best wishes to you both from Invercargill, New Zealand.
Fun video! Loving the views, and wowing on how many places we have now above and on the ground to help teach us what's shaking earth wise....pun intended 😀. Many many moons back my late Dad worked with Boeing developing GPS for the military at that time. Cool how far folks have run with it and how useful it is today. We can see how much the PNW is rotating and I can deliver food with UberEats, and you guys can see if the magma is lifting or not or another bit of Teanaway is slipping. Love it. Also enjoyed the end bit dabbling in local wild flora and fauna! Thanks, Nick and Walter!
PANGA is great for land surveyors to fill in the gaps. Generally, in order for a land surveyor to get centimeter accuracy from post processed GPS, a continuously operating base station (CORS), like PANGA, needs to be within 12 miles of the other receiver. This is mostly because anything greater than 12 miles will not share the same ionospheric radio conditions as much.
I really enjoy seeing this area. Rode motorcycles all over that area when camping at the end of the pavement, the north fork teanaway rd many years ago.
Very cool thanks! I’d like to hear more about the latest thinking on the Cascadia Earthquake Research. I did see Chris Goldfinger of OSU had looked at inland lakes for turbidites to confirm inland Cascadia shaking and did not see a 1:1 match with offshore turbidites event occurance.
If you had a choice between visiting Wisconsin or Washington state ,where would you go? I know which one I'd pick.😉 Love the talk with Walter. Too many bugs but a nice meadow of Wenatchee Coneflower aka Rudbeckia alpicola.
Extend the post to about 6 feet above ground and rewire to control cabinet or couple the wire connection if possible. Add a couple outriggers to make it stable and the snow cover issue is fixed! Thanks for the video ;)
The most amazing thing is that they’ve gotta carry all the stuff in on their backs, including the tools that cut a hole 8’ deep and all the bags of concrete and so many liters of water. Hoo-wee!
Thanks, Nick. As always, learned a lot and saw some beautiful mountainous country. You mentioned a lookout on Red Mountain? Is it a scenic overlook or a fire lookout location? I’m a fire lookout at Palomar Mountain State Park (Boucher Hill Lookout) which is in the Cleveland National Forest and only a few miles west of the famous Palomar Telescope Observatory in San Diego County CA.
I'm from Wisconsin and now live in Eastern Washington. It seems very reasonable to me. Not as cold, fewer mosquitoes, lower humidity, what's not to like?
That's a wonderful video Nick. And Walter seems like a great guy to hand out with in the jungles. Can Walter say if the GPS stations in Washington area (including this) are part of IGS stations or they are separate USGS stations or CWU research stations?
Great info, the movement would be real interesting to follow. So these take in to consideration of the NA plate movement, and any faults. A demo sometime of changes they've recorded would be nice. Is there a site to go to, to see there results over the past.
There's a website I've seen but now I have to go look for it because I didn't bookmark it; but it's an operation out of Nevada that collects data from GPS arrays across the West Coast and it offers up graphs of not just horizontal but also vertical movements at each site, which is VERY interesting when looking at stations along the Cascadia Margin. The movement is measured in mm but the vertical movement from the coast being pushed up and in by the subduction occurring is graphed and it's indisputable that the vertical and inward movement exists, is going on in real time, and will at some point provide a measurement of how much rebound there will be during the next subduction earthquake.
If he's in geodesy my bet is that Walter knows (or knows of) Larry H from USGS, an old mentor of mine back at the NGS. Say howdy for me! Back then we had to sit for 16+ hours to get 3 hours of 4x satellite coverage. Buy you guys a beer?
Hi I'm writing from Poland. I studied Geodesy in Warsaw and had a teacher named Szeliga. Mayby Mr. Walter Szeliga have a family in Poland, also geodesists?
I’ve been wanting to ask this question for two years and Walter is touching on my question so here goes… I bought my house in Spokane County 30 years ago and if I understand correctly our plate has moved about 30 inches Southwest since I bought the property. If I had a surveyor check my property corners now wouldn’t he or she say that my property corners are really 30 inches Northeast of where I think they are? Walter said something about “relative to the entire state” do surveyors correct for plate movement since the original survey? It must get very complicated if they do.
There were properties near Bodega Bay and Pt. Reyes when the 1906 earthquake took place that lay across the San Andreas fault and in an instant suddenly found half their property lines had moved NW about 20 feet. Makes for some interesting platting but it's like what other choice do geodesists have than to trace property lines to account for movement?
The Scientific Geophysical Instrument Effect - Go to an active area. Install scientific instrument(s). Activity detects instrument(s). Activity stops, and then laughs.
10:19 extra- the vertical difference might trigger, but that is the 'weakest' in certainty. Latitude and longitude will be good because of the high order locations of fiducial ground stations, but broadcast vertical is subject to imperfections in the geoid model that is used in calculating 'height' from the broadcast ephemeris. I would think they are post-processed with the precise ephemeris and get the best positioning. Lots of mumbo-jumbo there, but it comes down to that the vertical is the least accurate measurement.
At its most approximate earth is a sphere. Next most approximate is an oblate spheroid. In other words the rotation of the earth makes it bulge out at the equator. Then we have to begin thinking about ocean basin v continental crust.
@@davidpnewton yes, and the oblate spheroid' is what is used in the broadcast ephemeris as the lumpy potato geoid causes variation in the actual altitude of orbital epochs vs broadcast. Fine for navigation, but for good elevations you really need to post-process with the precise ephemeris which is adjusted after the fact.
I'm familiar with the Florida County named Osceola. Osceola County is named for the Indian leader Osceola,[4] whose name means "Black Drink Cry [Asi Yaholo]".
Nick. There are apps for free that you can download on your phone. Plant identification and insect identification. You take a picture of the plant or insect hit search and it will tell you what you are looking at. They are very fun. I found an insect the other day on my home, took picture and the identification comes up. A lot of fun.
I have Plant Snap. It comes up with a rated range of potential plants with links to detailed descriptions of all the listed possibilities. The ones with the highest probabilities aren’t always correct. I’ve checked it in nurseries and tree farms. It almost always has the correct plant in the list but not always on top.
Wow, I work with a non profit youth enrichment organization. We have a fund to purchase or receive as donation, scientific equipment for learning modules - both self study and curriculum based. We have a line item for a gps device to use on student projects for native tree location in our forest restoration project and for storm/rainwater projects. Site elevations are useful for the distribution of collected roof and ground water. Natural flow and system pressure designs. Does Trimble have a foundation to support youth STEM programs? And yes, I already lecture youth visiting our site on the origin of our soils and water due to a long extinct subduction volcano under the ocean 15 miles to the NW. Thank you Nick for 100's of hours of understanding subduction volcanos and faults. We have a rise of between 4000 - 1200 feet above sea level, accumulated 10's of millions of years ago.
These remote seismic stations would be useful for obtaining temperatures that are not affected by concrete, ac outlets etc. Thus unbiased data for a better understanding of earth's climate. Since they exist the costs of adding this extra data collection would be very small (so long as bureaucrats are kept away from it!
My car’s GPS has about 30 feet of accuracy, albeit my car’s velocity is up to tens of miles per hour. Still, I thought the US government deliberately imposes a low level of precision on public receivers. Do these receivers bypass the US’ imposition? And/ or do these sites use differential GPS?
Biggest issue with educating the public is these events are too far between ....IE. the pandemic reactions. So even in Japan where the public has been highly educated and in the know about earthquakes and tsunamis some warnings were ignored
I, personally don't need to know where endangered or sensitive anything, is. I'll leave that to scientists and other-ologists. Thanks for risking ur neck (bees, bears and blisters)
Great to have Walter back again! Last I saw, he was with you in the backyard, politely social-distancing at the 'peak-fear' time of the pandemic. What a treat! Thank you!
Walter invites Nick into bear country. "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun Nick!" 🤣
Fascinating. Thank you! I didn’t even have to put my hiking boots on!
As a Trimble employee, I think it’s cool to see our products put to great use. Though I’m in the construction sector, not the geospatial sector, I’m aware of just how precise our GPS equipment is.
I feel like a groupie! Always excited when I see your videos pop up.
What a great field trip. Science and scenery make a good combination.
This was SO interesting! It was wonderful to see the remote data installation and also see Walter again. CWU has an incredible talent pool. And what incredible views. Thank you for posting.
A beau
THANKS FOR GEOLOGY & ECOSYSTEM EDUCATION. GREAT TO SEE HEALTHY ECOSYSTEM FUNCTIONING & LEARN GEOLOGY TOO. GOT TO LOVE IT.
Every episode again I am amazed about the variety of landscapes and about the wealth of knowledgeable and friendly people you let us meet through your videos. Every episode again we learn a tiny bit more from the endless things there are to know about the geology of Washington. And every episode again shows us your love for geology and the Pacific Northwest. I can't wait to view the Baja-BC A to Z series as well. I love to learn alongside you about Washington's geology. Wish I could visit one day (or preferably more!)
So neat !
Dear Professor, more episodes with Walter, please !
On the technical side, thank you for panning the camera slowly. The views were awesome.
I really like Nick with Walter. They have a good fun rapport. I hope they do more together.
Terrific video. Nice blend of science and general comments. Walter’s range of interests including birding adds a humanist aspect to this clip. Thanks to both Nick and Walter.
What a super place for a hike with such a knowledgeable guide ! I’ve got a better understanding of the GPS set up now and the uses of the data collected, many thanks Walter. Thanks Nick for introducing us to some more of Washington’s tremendous scenery.
I worked on flood control pumping stations on the Washington coast for many years and a couple of them had those bronze geodesic markers inserted into the heavy/thick concrete structures of the pump station base. A few times we had to unlock gates for people who needed to get measurements from those survey markers. Fascinating stuff!
What a pleasure listening to Walter teach us about his work with GPS, I had no idea there were so many of the stations in the Pacific Northwest, including Canada. Thank you Nick for doing what you do. By the way Dr. Campbell is great too, eh?
Wonderful video ! Geology, technology, biology, beautiful views, cool and funny interview with a very cooperative Walter, all wrapped-up in 45 mn. I had a good time watching it.
Fun video - I have lived in Wenatchee all my life and even taken a local wildflower class and never seen or heard of the Wenatchee coneflower - cool!!! There is also a special clover that grows only in the Wenatchee area called Thompson's clover.
What a great episode!!!! Stayed up till 1230 just to finish it.
Joy! Great to see you Walter, and Nick, and love hearing about PANGA.....and biology.
👍🏻❤️
Grest video, Nick, I really like the information that the PANGA program collects
Appreciate this effort. This time of year deer flies and other flying biting bugs can be challenging. Very cool video.
Beautiful country.
Thanks for sharing.
What a wonderful video. Not only great geology but some prime biology. Thanks Nick & Dr. Szeliga for a very informative, interesting and entertaining time.
Please don't be shy about covering the biology as well as the geology, it's all relevant and interesting.
Thanks for taking me along. Thanks Nick
Than you for an interesting educational and beautiful hike. Good to know someone is doing the GPS research. Thanks
So cool. Loved every nugget of info. Thanks you guys who were born to do this.
I smiled to see that last shot of the beautiful butterfly. California something.
Very well done. Very gentle. Thanks.
Thanks Nick and Walter for taking me along with you. Lot of interesting thing, and beautiful scenery.
When I first started watching your videos, I too wondered why Central Washington? Wonder no more, it's crystal clear why you live and work there and why Central Washington is such an amazing area for many reasons, including being a geologist. The helicopter fly-by timing was perfect, if I didn't know better I would think the fly-by was pre-planned. Fascinating information! Another great video!
Loved this video. I enjoyed the science and the friendly banter and of course the amazing views. Best wishes to you both from Invercargill, New Zealand.
Very interesting video and amazing views. Always learning on this channel.
Great mountain ramble, I got everything except the cool air ... 😉
Thank you.
This is so cool! I would love to work on a project like this. Field work, data analysis, geophysics- what’s not to love!
Really liked the seismic Network info! Then to top it off the nature walk😍
Another great video. I am located in Central Oregon just off Tumalo Creek east of the The Sisters stations. Those stations are important to me.
Fun video! Loving the views, and wowing on how many places we have now above and on the ground to help teach us what's shaking earth wise....pun intended 😀. Many many moons back my late Dad worked with Boeing developing GPS for the military at that time. Cool how far folks have run with it and how useful it is today. We can see how much the PNW is rotating and I can deliver food with UberEats, and you guys can see if the magma is lifting or not or another bit of Teanaway is slipping. Love it. Also enjoyed the end bit dabbling in local wild flora and fauna! Thanks, Nick and Walter!
kinda surprised I watched this two times in a row and enjoyed every minute of it! 👀
PANGA is great for land surveyors to fill in the gaps.
Generally, in order for a land surveyor to get centimeter accuracy from post processed GPS, a continuously operating base station (CORS), like PANGA, needs to be within 12 miles of the other receiver. This is mostly because anything greater than 12 miles will not share the same ionospheric radio conditions as much.
Beautiful look into the NW of America.
So cool to be back in school !:-)
💜🙏⚡️
I really enjoy seeing this area. Rode motorcycles all over that area when camping at the end of the pavement, the north fork teanaway rd many years ago.
Great video!
I doubt the helicopter knew you were there.
What a location! Incredibly beautiful.
Thanks Nick!
who knew? And a wonder no bullet holes, in government property! thank you both for your time and knowledge, and sharing with us ALL stay safe
Thank you Professor Zentner
Very interesting show. Thank you.
Once again
Very intriguing
Very cool thanks! I’d like to hear more about the latest thinking on the Cascadia Earthquake Research. I did see Chris Goldfinger of OSU had looked at inland lakes for turbidites to confirm inland Cascadia shaking and did not see a 1:1 match with offshore turbidites event occurance.
I've come across a couple of those brass pins out in the woods.
Very enjoyable, thank you again.
Not sure which is more important?
Bear spray or insect repellent.
Looking at the beauty and the Geology of the area I know why you live there You have it all I live on Green Bay so I can’t complain to much
Wow snow capped already!
Hi from South East Australia :-)
Isn't there a magnetic anomaly in that area? Thanks for the field trip!
Thank you.
If you had a choice between visiting Wisconsin or Washington state ,where would you go? I know which one I'd pick.😉
Love the talk with Walter. Too many bugs but a nice meadow of Wenatchee Coneflower aka Rudbeckia alpicola.
You are probably thinking of the common Purple Coneflower out on the prairies Nick.
Extend the post to about 6 feet above ground and rewire to control cabinet or couple the wire connection if possible. Add a couple outriggers to make it stable and the snow cover issue is fixed!
Thanks for the video ;)
It looks like you have about 50 feet of wire to the satellite receiver coiled up on the control cabinet mast...
That makes it super easy to reconnect
@@ronlarson6530 Are you volunteering the materials and labor? I had the same ideas but was unwilling to do the aforementioned.
“Mountains are nice, but they get in the way of the view.” - prairie farmer who retired to BC.
The most amazing thing is that they’ve gotta carry all the stuff in on their backs, including the tools that cut a hole 8’ deep and all the bags of concrete and so many liters of water. Hoo-wee!
they probably drove a lo closer.
Old fire look out?
Usually when a bear hears you will not see it.
Thanks, Nick. As always, learned a lot and saw some beautiful mountainous country.
You mentioned a lookout on Red Mountain? Is it a scenic overlook or a fire lookout location? I’m a fire lookout at Palomar Mountain State Park (Boucher Hill Lookout) which is in the Cleveland National Forest and only a few miles west of the famous Palomar Telescope Observatory in San Diego County CA.
"Red Top" and it has a decommissioned fire lookout on top (as seen in the video)
37:49 That obviously wasn't from one of the bears in the Charmin commercials.
I'm from Wisconsin and now live in Eastern Washington. It seems very reasonable to me. Not as cold, fewer mosquitoes, lower humidity, what's not to like?
That's a wonderful video Nick. And Walter seems like a great guy to hand out with in the jungles. Can Walter say if the GPS stations in Washington area (including this) are part of IGS stations or they are separate USGS stations or CWU research stations?
Carl Reiner and Mel Blanc did the 2000 Year Old Man!
One of my favorite routines they did.
I think it was Mel Brooks.
@@jimdavidsmith4374 yes. Carl was "interviewing" him.
Great info, the movement would be real interesting to follow. So these take in to consideration of the NA plate movement, and any faults. A demo sometime of changes they've recorded would be nice. Is there a site to go to, to see there results over the past.
There's a website I've seen but now I have to go look for it because I didn't bookmark it; but it's an operation out of Nevada that collects data from GPS arrays across the West Coast and it offers up graphs of not just horizontal but also vertical movements at each site, which is VERY interesting when looking at stations along the Cascadia Margin. The movement is measured in mm but the vertical movement from the coast being pushed up and in by the subduction occurring is graphed and it's indisputable that the vertical and inward movement exists, is going on in real time, and will at some point provide a measurement of how much rebound there will be during the next subduction earthquake.
How do you get the materials up there?
My Dad was born in Osceola, Wisconsin on Western boarder of the State
I have been checking out Geo. for years. It is interesting that I am not able to see data.
If he's in geodesy my bet is that Walter knows (or knows of) Larry H from USGS, an old mentor of mine back at the NGS. Say howdy for me! Back then we had to sit for 16+ hours to get 3 hours of 4x satellite coverage. Buy you guys a beer?
Hi
I'm writing from Poland. I studied Geodesy in Warsaw and had a teacher named Szeliga. Mayby Mr. Walter Szeliga have a family in Poland, also geodesists?
GNEISS VIDEO AND INFO MEN.
I’ve been wanting to ask this question for two years and Walter is touching on my question so here goes… I bought my house in Spokane County 30 years ago and if I understand correctly our plate has moved about 30 inches Southwest since I bought the property. If I had a surveyor check my property corners now wouldn’t he or she say that my property corners are really 30 inches Northeast of where I think they are? Walter said something about “relative to the entire state” do surveyors correct for plate movement since the original survey? It must get very complicated if they do.
Yep, if you’re in central California like Hollister and south over a hundred years property lines can change.
There were properties near Bodega Bay and Pt. Reyes when the 1906 earthquake took place that lay across the San Andreas fault and in an instant suddenly found half their property lines had moved NW about 20 feet. Makes for some interesting platting but it's like what other choice do geodesists have than to trace property lines to account for movement?
What county are we in ?
The Scientific Geophysical Instrument Effect - Go to an active area. Install scientific instrument(s). Activity detects instrument(s). Activity stops, and then laughs.
10:19 extra- the vertical difference might trigger, but that is the 'weakest' in certainty. Latitude and longitude will be good because of the high order locations of fiducial ground stations, but broadcast vertical is subject to imperfections in the geoid model that is used in calculating 'height' from the broadcast ephemeris. I would think they are post-processed with the precise ephemeris and get the best positioning. Lots of mumbo-jumbo there, but it comes down to that the vertical is the least accurate measurement.
At its most approximate earth is a sphere.
Next most approximate is an oblate spheroid. In other words the rotation of the earth makes it bulge out at the equator.
Then we have to begin thinking about ocean basin v continental crust.
@@davidpnewton yes, and the oblate spheroid' is what is used in the broadcast ephemeris as the lumpy potato geoid causes variation in the actual altitude of orbital epochs vs broadcast. Fine for navigation, but for good elevations you really need to post-process with the precise ephemeris which is adjusted after the fact.
Why is the sun not shining on the solar panel?
It doesn’t look to be oriented optimally.
I'm familiar with the Florida County named Osceola. Osceola County is named for the Indian leader Osceola,[4] whose name means "Black Drink Cry [Asi Yaholo]".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osceola_County,_Florida
I wonder if he can get SOTA activation credit for this operation.
Put in a few more solar panels and a symmetric station too it might be a good idea to see how much movement so close to a symbolic station
More data = more gooder
Echinacea Angustifolia is what it reminds me of
Nick. There are apps for free that you can download on your phone. Plant identification and insect identification. You take a picture of the plant or insect hit search and it will tell you what you are looking at. They are very fun. I found an insect the other day on my home, took picture and the identification comes up. A lot of fun.
I have Plant Snap. It comes up with a rated range of potential plants with links to detailed descriptions of all the listed possibilities. The ones with the highest probabilities aren’t always correct. I’ve checked it in nurseries and tree farms. It almost always has the correct plant in the list but not always on top.
Merlin identifies birds by song.
Wow, I work with a non profit youth enrichment organization. We have a fund to purchase or receive as donation, scientific equipment for learning modules - both self study and curriculum based. We have a line item for a gps device to use on student projects for native tree location in our forest restoration project and for storm/rainwater projects. Site elevations are useful for the distribution of collected roof and ground water. Natural flow and system pressure designs. Does Trimble have a foundation to support youth STEM programs?
And yes, I already lecture youth visiting our site on the origin of our soils and water due to a long extinct subduction volcano under the ocean 15 miles to the NW. Thank you Nick for 100's of hours of understanding subduction volcanos and faults. We have a rise of between 4000 - 1200 feet above sea level, accumulated 10's of millions of years ago.
Ooh, talk about earth tides!
Look out for bears!
In all good humor Nick, you should definitely play with the zoom more, once every 10 seconds is just not enough.
These remote seismic stations would be useful for obtaining temperatures that are not affected by concrete, ac outlets etc. Thus unbiased data for a better understanding of earth's climate. Since they exist the costs of adding this extra data collection would be very small (so long as bureaucrats are kept away from it!
My car’s GPS has about 30 feet of accuracy, albeit my car’s velocity is up to tens of miles per hour. Still, I thought the US government deliberately imposes a low level of precision on public receivers. Do these receivers bypass the US’ imposition? And/ or do these sites use differential GPS?
Howdy from sandiego
Hi Mark. I'm also in SD.
@@oscarmedina1303 Me too.
@@dennisyardn1ten238 That makes 6 of us from SD I'm aware of.
OH SEE OHH LA (spelled Osceola) Ohio seems very drab by comparison to this spectacular part of North America.
Nick all your time in the wilderness & you can’t identify Bear Scat! I’m shocked! Nick you are in their habitat!
Hopefully no motion in Iowa…that would interesting around the PNW!
Right as your helicopter went past a helicopter went over my house
Not only do they live there, they get paid to live there. Tom Sawyer at his best. ;-)
Walter is a cutie.
Biggest issue with educating the public is these events are too far between ....IE. the pandemic reactions. So even in Japan where the public has been highly educated and in the know about earthquakes and tsunamis some warnings were ignored
Disappointed that PANGA is not named PANGEA.
I, personally don't need to know where endangered or sensitive anything, is. I'll leave that to scientists and other-ologists. Thanks for risking ur neck (bees, bears and blisters)