@@AKWarior My grandma lived to 100 and was able to drive herself to exercise class until the end. Her favorites were peanuts and tobacco (she was a smoker for 87 of her 100 years).
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I went through oxalate dumping a few years back when I went strict carnivore, as a desperate attempt to get my psoriasis in some kind of control (didn’t work) when the oxalate dumping happened, the symptoms were so uncomfortable and weird on top of looking like a burn victim from all the psoriasis, it was to much. When I looked the symptoms up, did I feel so duped cause I was doing all those smoothies in the early 2000s. It was like if it’s high in oxalate, the more healthy it is. After all the people I hired that were supposedly cable of helping me, that over charged for how inept they were. From chiropractors and physical therapists, multiple naturopaths, auto immune specialist dietitians, acupuncturists, dermatologists. The only branch that actually helped after years of failure and getting completely drained financially and not getting better but worse after their help was a functional medicine dr. For all the things we have figured out, we still seem to barely understand how the body actually works and what it actually needs. It seems that is the result of the mass corruption of the entirety of science and medicine.
Hey Mike. I was eating copious amount of nuts daily along with spinach and other leafy greens and was suffering from joint pain and eye gland inflammation for several years. After reading Sally Norton's book, "Toxic Superfoods" I decided to take these foods out of my diet. Within a few months, most of these issues cleared up. My anecdotal conclusion was it was the oxalates that were giving my these symptoms. Thanks for addressing this subject. I feel many people are suffering an over exposure to oxalates and are not aware of the dangers.
I also read toxic super foods by Sally Kay Norton. I was already eating the carnivore diet but now when I occasionally eat plants, I try to steer clear of the ones that have lots of oxalates.
can eye gland inflammation lead to dryness/ abrasions for no known reason? On antibiotics for the second time in 4 months for abrasions Ive been eating lentils and black eye peas meybe cant even have those
@sarahe1318 I was suffering with the eye gland infections terrible. Cutting high oxalate foods from my diet seems to have resolved the issue. It took a couple of months after stopping these foods for this issue to subside.
Thank you. It’s a huge issue. I was sad Dr. Mindy Pelz ignored oxalates pushing us to eat high oxalate plants. She needs to read this study and interview Sally K Norton.
Could have called it rocket, then I wouldn't have had to google it. It's good stuff that. After a shower it comes up everywhere and you can pick it pretty much until the next shower. Much better than that lettice shit people eat, in the sense of ease of cultivation. And it actually has some goodness in it, and tastes pretty good. Didn't realise it was low oxalate. Makes sense though, like it's palatable raw
I grew up in SW Georgia. Traditional southern vegetable cooking tended to minimize oxalates by boiling everything until it turned into mush. I guess the oxalates were degraded but so was flavor. A couple of years ago I quit eating plants all together and solved autoimmune issues.
As a Croatian growing up eating a Mediterranean diet.. lots of meat, fish veggies.. a lot of our foods are boiled and then to add flavor back add a little garlic and olive oil and salt :) I am more keto now with lots of fish, meat and some veggies..
I've made the conscious decision to avoid plants due to anti nutrition components as well as carcinogens. I was always of the mindset that on paper spinach and others were super foods. After having big salads filled with vegetables I could never comprehend why my sides hurt afterwards until I got exposed to carnivore and learned about anti nutrients like oxalate.
Thanks Mike After kidney stones a few years back , I have almost completely dropped oxalates , I predominantly protein , healthy fats - carnivore , no to low carbs, fermented veg, I do have veg low oxalates, arugula [we call rocket] is great for nitric oxide and low in oxalates, lettuce , cabbage, I am very awre and very careful .. The other thing was skin rashes with oxalates , all that has gone and I feel great . I warn people doing raw shakes and salads high in oxalates and to cook any vegetables , especially those high in oxalates . These days , rashes , knee Pau has gone .. For now it's grass fed , wild caught , free range-pasture raised and at 64 feel great
And almond "milk" and almond "butter" are some of the worst because they are more easily absorbed by our gut. And a big problem is that a lot of people that are doing gluten free or very low carb diets are using a lot of almond flour
@nataliajimenez1870 yeah, I used to make bread and pizza crust with almond flour and ice cream with almond milk. And I ate almonds as a snack. I got real sick.
It's always fascinating to learn the newly discovered benefits to why our ancestors ate what they did, how they ate it, and why. For example, reducing oxalate levels in specific veggies via fermentation and water soaking. For a supposedly ignorant and unintelligent people, our ancestors seemed to know a lot more than we give them credit for. Modern people often discard old traditions, thinking they're out dated, not knowing why those traditions existed in the first place, and it almost invariably leads to bad outcomes.
High meat/animal protein diets can increase uric acid levels and in turn cause uric acid kidney stones, although a lot more rare than calcium oxalate stones. Something to be aware of
@KingAzion1232 Actually meat and shellfish are rarely the cause for uric acid stones. It is fructose. Fructose is broken down into uric acid. Robert Lustig and Rick Johnson talk about this. When I worked in Pathology, we sent out all urinary stones for analysis. 90 % of them were calcium oxalate.
Stuff you, dark chocolate is good, as is coffee, tobacco, nicotine gum, pre workout, protein shakes with fat burners. Don't care what people think, I don't have a stim problem, the reason I wake up two hours after going to bed all jittery, is that it's too light in my bedroom, nothing else
Why go to the work of fermenting, etc. Far easier just to not eat them. Age 78, carnivore now 18 months. Arthritis pain gone, hand tremors gone, off of 6 medications.
I am a carnivore eat a strict carnivore diet. Never have to worry about that crap thank you for the information. It’s of great value. Have a great day.
An issue coming up with high meat protein (red esp.) is high iron levels. Not good for organs and may contribute to diseases like Parkison's disease as well.
I spent years eating a lot, a lot of kale and spinach when I look at my pics from that time period I looked sick, greenish pale skin, lackluster skin and eyes, was constantly tired and easily with edema despite working out 5, 6 days a week weight training.
I wzs a vegetarian in my 40s. 50s, anf 60s. I downed a pitcher of green smoothies daily for years. Many many oxalate toxicity signs in my 60s. Parathyroidectomy. 2+ cm kidney stone, plantar fasciitis, arthritic pain, tooth eruption ending in extraction, vulva pain, skin erruptoons. Its all subsiding now after going low oxalate, thanks to Sally Notton❤ But its taken several years. I now drink copious citrus jiuce drinks.
I went to Japan last year. Entered a nice cozy tea shop. Drank an authentic sencha (had a strong green color after only a few seconds of brewing). In the evening my knees started hurting.
This is important peeps. You can’t feel the problem until the body has accumulated so much that it is suddenly an acute problem that takes a long time to reverse. Best to start preventing it now.
I get horrible muscle leg and foot cramps when I consume too much oxalate. So I stopped growing my favorite summer greens--- Swiss chard and amaranth leaves. And instead of sweet potatoes, I'm experimenting with Japanese pumpkins (kabocha). Also, cold brewed green tea doesn't seem to bother me as much--- and I am not giving up my chocolate, so there's that. ;)
That settles it. No more oxalate foods for me whatsoever. Why Try to include them in our diets in any way even buy cooking them if they're a detriment to our health when we could just avoid them all together?
I loved spinach, made the connection a few years ago. Felt like I hit a wall after eating the salads. Plus, some neighbors and friends would get kidney stones every time they went on a vegan diet.
I ate a kilo of cashews a week for 2 weeks and destroyed my kidneys. Still recovering. Elimated all oxalates, my knee pain and back pain have gone down considerably.
When I was made aware of this news yesterday, I substituted my almond milk and flour with coconut milk and flour. I've substituted spinach with brussel sprouts and asparagus. Thank you for your research.
I would say that you need oxalate-degrading bacteria in your gut. The most well studied is Oxalobacter Formigenes. I know you can make a yogurt of L. Gasseri and probably others too. I plan to do that and have some of the yogurt every day. Ask your favorite AI about bacteria that degrade oxalates.
@@kjkernSerendipity I just bought Dr Davis's book but have not read it. I have listened to podcasts with him and I am making L Reuteri yogurt with great success. Like him, I believe gut maintenance is as important as the diet. Sadly, often ignored.
Appreciate this! Went fat free vegan 10 years ago to correct lipids instead of the statin drs wanted to put me on- and I became a stone former. Have been learning so much but still having to deal with kidney stones here and there even with eating a better moderate diet. Fascinated that a low protein diet could set stone forming in motion. I’ve wondered if my body can handle the higher protein that seems to be recommended currently. Always appreciate your insights and clear communication!
My wife is unique. She is HIGHLY affected by oxalates. We did not know this until we went on the keto diet. AND TO BE CLEAR!!! The Keto diet was NOT the problem. The problem is that if you are not aware of oxalates, then keto can easily be a high oxalate diet. Almost all the stables are high oxalates like kale, spinach, NUTS, etc. So we’re on keto and my wife has a regular physical. Her blood test comes back with creatinine through the roof. We though she had a genetic disease and was going to die or go on dialysis. She lost a ton of kidney function. But in the end it was oxalates. Once we got her off the oxalates and cleaned out here system she was much better. She did not get the kidney function back, but she is out of the woods. Bottom line - get your blood tested.
Interesting Important factors are the amount eaten, the health of your digestive system, & accumulation in your body Thanks for the info & the table at 5.27
Going cold-turkey on oxilates can cause bad side effects. Eliminating one food at a time has been suggested for people who want to cut the amount of oxilates in their diet.
Dr Mark Hyman MD told an interesting story about a 99 year old woman with sarcopenia was told by her physician to eat a pound a beef per day to regain and maintain her muscle mass. She followed her docs advice and lived to 117!
Hardcore Ketovore here. I eat a TON of oxalates. I eat a ton of turmeric with ground pepper. I have cocoau with my coffee. I eat a lot of nuts and peanut butter daily. My only remaining issue is psoriasis but it has cleared up greatly. I'm not giving up turmeric (or black pepper) as the benefits outweigh any negatives in my personal experience. I do believe that gut health is key here. I used to HATE spicy food and now I love it and if I'm eating with a group and we're eating spicy foods, I have to ask them: "Hey how hot is this?" because the heat doesn't phase me. Worst case scenario is that I may get a slight sniffle whereas old FAT me would have eyes watering and my nose running. I just had sashimi yesterday (highest carb meal I've had in months) and the wasabi didn't phase me. Spicy food longer burns coming out either. 1 hour of direct sun daily, 1 whole lemon with ACV and ginger (another high oxalate food), pink sea salt. L-reuteri yogurt, celery stick,. I've had a few days where I ran out of my lettuce/veggies and was carnivorish and I feel better when I have fiber.
Sally Norton has a Data Companion to her book Toxic Superfoods that is an excellent and accurate source for oxalate amounts in foods and supplements. Excess vitamin C is also broken down into oxalates. Sally doesn't recommend people take over 500mg per day. It might be less for Carnivores, since there is no competition with excess glucose to get into cells.
I love big green leafy salads. I could eat a big salad 4 or 5 days a week for the rest of my life. Chef salad. Crab Louie. Cesar with chicken or salmon. Taco salad. A big garden salad with steak. Wonton salad. On and on and on. But boy howdy do I get terrible joint pain and kidney stones. I make kidney stones like Amish make barns; all the time and big. My knees just throb all day and night. My ankles feel all busted up.
I would definitely avoid high oxalate food like spinach, beet roots , rhubarb , almond but eat at moderation on those with lower oxalate content like lettuce, cabbage, and there fruits
Whoa! I never knew parsley was so oxalate-heavy. There are a lot of people touting the benefits of apigenin and there are people consuming several grams of parsley daily in order to get a large enough dose of apigenin. According to the table at 5:36 these people would be consuming over a gram of oxalate per day. I doubt the apigenin benefits outweigh the downside of such an overdose of oxalates. I have suffered over a dozen kidney stones, one so large it required a non-invasive surgical intervention. Since going carnivore almost two years ago my kidneys are happy campers.
Yeah it has lots in it. But when was the last time you had more than a pinch or two of parsley in your food? It's not like spinach, where people will eat a bag of it in a sitting. I don't really give much thought to the seasonings we use, or the once in a while fruit or vegetable we eat with some oxalate in them.. The body is capable of ridding itself of oxalate. It's just not designed to be trying to get rid of a gram or two of it per day. You've experienced yourself the result of diets like that. Glad you're doing better now. I went mostly Carnivore because of chronic and intensely painful heartburn that stopped the moment I stopped eating seed oils and bread. Similar for me. Feel so much better.
When I was 24 I suffered a horrible gout attack, I had elevated uric acid since my early teenage years and my doctor did not know why. I was a healthy weight and woked out frequently, I had a gout attack regardless. After 6 months of carnivore my uric acid levels are in the normal range and have no joint pain.
Uric acid is used only in the liver and only to metabolize fructose and ethanol. Consume too much of either of those and the uric acid stays high. That's it. Sad that your doc, and mine, did not know that.
Its really dependent on the microbiome of the individual, unfortunately antibiotics got rid of most of my oxalate degrading commensal bacteria were wiped out by antibiotics so I've had to cut high oxalate foods out. You can check your oxalate tolerance using Biomesight.
Citric acid dissolves oxalates and can therefore help reduce problems with the accumulation of oxalate crystals in the body. Citric acid is best taken in the form of fresh lemons or freshly squeezed lemon juice.
I heard consuming oxalate foods with calcium such as dairy products bind to the oxalates and is harmlessly passed through the digestive system. Is there any studies to verify this?
Cheese and cooking is a good thing I heard to help reduce oxalates. Unfortunately fermented foods are bad for histamine intolerance. They are amazing though. I wonder if you have done a video on histamine intolerance as an MTHFR related issue?
Oxalates are easily dealt with by the microbe that eats them, Oxalobacter formigenes. Eat raw unwashed spinach in tiny quantities, gradually increasing the daily amount. Roasted nuts or cooked greens will not work. I had terrible oxalate problems before colonizing my digestive system with these helpful microbes. No problems now. My Biomesight stool tests show healthy amounts of this microbe.
Mike, I have a couple of questions. 1) Why do so many doctors recommend these foods and say that they have a positive healthy effect? Do Doctors not know about oxalates? Yes, some people may have problems with oxalates, but do ALL people have problems? 2) What about the hormetic effect of oxalates? Of course some people may be alergic, but some may receive a hormetic benefit. How can you be sure that the toxic effect is worse than the hormetic benefit for ALL people?
Most Doctors today work for corporations and only do what they are told. Just look at the jabs we were told were safe and effective. Doctors can’t be trusted.
Some of my favorite foods are on this list. But I soak my beans and cook them. However I love my greens raw in salads. So I just need to grow more greens myself and also eat them with protein and calcium.
After 5 rounds of kidney stones, the last three after trying to limit my oxalate input, and adding calcium when I did have oxalate laden vegetables, I decided to switch to carnivore and haven't had a kidney stone problem since.
After I first started keto a few years ago, in my mid/late 50s, I developed a kidney stone. Excruciatingly painful! After the fact, while I was researching kidney stones, I discovered a lot of the things I was eating were high in oxalates, such as spinach, beet greens, swiss chard, dark chocolate. I cut all that stuff out, and thankfully I haven't had any trouble since, now heading into my mid 60s. I also started supplementing with both potassium and magnesium citrates, which help counteract oxalates, as does lemon water, though I don't drink that anymore. And though I recently fell off the wagon with my diet (the holidays junk food and blood testing experiments) I am generally carnivore now, so oxalates really aren't a concern anymore.
I was never vegan but would add spinach or kale to a protein powder shake w kiwi and blueberries. It always bloated me and, tbh, didn't do much for my immune system as I always got sick.
I cut back an elephant ear plant that wilted after a freeze here. After about 10 minutes, my hands and forearms began burning intensely. Washing did nothing to ease the pain. When I looked up what could possibly be happening to me, I discovered that the sap of elephant ears is ultra high in calcium oxalate. The website described the oxalates to be like microscopic needles. That description matched my agony. This has caused me to wonder why on earth I would ever knowingly ingest anything with oxilates.
I began purging oxalates about 3 months ago. Mostly carnivore during this phase, but I have an avocado once in a while. My a.m. glucose is running over 100, so I am hoping to bring this down. For a while, I thought the discharge from my eyes was oxalate related. It turns out this was actually a bacterial infection, probably picked up in my gardening. I mention it, because purging oxalates can have such a diversity of symptoms that it can be somewhat misleading.
It somewhat reduces them. It is not a sufficient solution if you do the math. The math can be figured out using Sally Norton’s book “Toxic Superfoods”.
What about making a video reg. how much cooking like boiling reduces oxalates in spinatz and how much the vitamins go down if you eat the water from the spinatz?
Would second this as all foods appear to have their downsides and knowing how to prepare food is more useful than just avoidance which seems less than effective.
@@monkian what do you mean about you would "second this"? I mean, that all foods seem adviced to require boiling in all the ancient alchimy litterature.
I’ve cut out almost all greens out of my diet due to my allergy to mold. Mold/mycotoxins tend to make their toxic way into just about all foods, especially in USA, where it’s just about the worst in the world due to being unregulated. Huge improvement in my overall wellbeing. Further followed that change with cutting out all nuts, seed oils, etc. Another huge improvement. Was it just mold? Or did oxalates have something to do with it? I’m beginning to think for me it was both, but either way, cutting all these plants out of my diet improved my wellbeing and quality of life, higher energy levels, less fatigue, etc.
It's amazing how much food just seems to make us lethargic, uncomfortable. Never had issues with kidney stones but do feel many veggies make he "nauseous" or kinda sick and they're the ones I seemingly ate my whole life. I admittedly haven't switched to organic veggies, but may have to. So what are the top 5 veggies we can eat that in general, are low on all the bad things? What do you think of nightshades? are they really inflammatory?
Here 2 Simply and important things to keep in mind about oxalates: 1) NEVER EVER Blenderize or Pulverize High Oxalate foods before consumption! 2) if you are going to consume a high oxalate food(which are primarily found in Vegetables) Always consume with High Calcium food such as certain cheeses and/or yogurts(calcium binds to the Oxalates in the gut and pass down through the gut instead of allowing to pass into Blood stream via gut barrier/stomach lining!
Great book is a toxic superfood. I had a quite a bad issue with this and matter fact, I was told by healthcare professionals that you just can’t then all of a sudden go cause you body‘s already been toxic and poison by itself and you can’t just go OK now I’ll just stop. They said you gotta actually wean yourself off of it . Dark chocolate high they even told me avocados if they’re not perfectly ripe and soft they’re very high so it’s a lot of stuff that we used to think we’re good for us and or not.
Oh my Nitrogen fertilizer doubles the Oxcilits. Ya make sense .more problem with modern farming . Just sad .food is so different from sixty , fifty years ago . Thankyou .
Moved to a low oxalate diet after I kept getting kidney stones and infections. Definitely feeling better! Thank you for the information!
i did spinach juicing for years and in my mid 20s had joint pain all the time. reveresed it all with carnivore!
...Uncooked spinach?
My grandmother lived to be 105 without any medication or health issues, and she didn’t eat greens because she hated them.
My Grandma lived to 103. Chocolate and potatoes were her favorite vegetables 😋
@@AKWarior My grandma lived to 100 and was able to drive herself to exercise class until the end. Her favorites were peanuts and tobacco (she was a smoker for 87 of her 100 years).
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I went through oxalate dumping a few years back when I went strict carnivore, as a desperate attempt to get my psoriasis in some kind of control (didn’t work) when the oxalate dumping happened, the symptoms were so uncomfortable and weird on top of looking like a burn victim from all the psoriasis, it was to much. When I looked the symptoms up, did I feel so duped cause I was doing all those smoothies in the early 2000s. It was like if it’s high in oxalate, the more healthy it is.
After all the people I hired that were supposedly cable of helping me, that over charged for how inept they were. From chiropractors and physical therapists, multiple naturopaths, auto immune specialist dietitians, acupuncturists, dermatologists. The only branch that actually helped after years of failure and getting completely drained financially and not getting better but worse after their help was a functional medicine dr.
For all the things we have figured out, we still seem to barely understand how the body actually works and what it actually needs. It seems that is the result of the mass corruption of the entirety of science and medicine.
How long did it take before the oxalate dumping concluded and you were fine?
Well said what a con the so called health industry is at all levels.
Hey Mike. I was eating copious amount of nuts daily along with spinach and other leafy greens and was suffering from joint pain and eye gland inflammation for several years. After reading Sally Norton's book, "Toxic Superfoods" I decided to take these foods out of my diet. Within a few months, most of these issues cleared up. My anecdotal conclusion was it was the oxalates that were giving my these symptoms. Thanks for addressing this subject. I feel many people are suffering an over exposure to oxalates and are not aware of the dangers.
Macadamia nuts, walnuts and pistachios are three kinds of nuts you can eat that are low in oxalates...if you miss eating nuts, that is.
I also read toxic super foods by Sally Kay Norton. I was already eating the carnivore diet but now when I occasionally eat plants, I try to steer clear of the ones that have lots of oxalates.
can eye gland inflammation lead to dryness/ abrasions for no known reason? On antibiotics for the second time in 4 months for abrasions Ive been eating lentils and black eye peas meybe cant even have those
@sarahe1318 I was suffering with the eye gland infections terrible. Cutting high oxalate foods from my diet seems to have resolved the issue. It took a couple of months after stopping these foods for this issue to subside.
@@danielbranam8503 I must be having a little too much more oxalate than I though, not measuring.This is brutal. Glad you got better! Thank you
I've had kidney stones several times. Horrific pain. Since eliminating oxalates (I loved Tamari almonds) no problems. Thank God.
Almonds need to be soaked overnight and that will massively reduce the oxalate content
@@saganspirit The entire point of my comment is what happens when you don't soak them.
@@nich586 So you already had the knowledge about soaking them?
@@saganspirit No. Read more carefully.
@@nich586 If English isn't your first language, no problem - no judgement here
Thank you. It’s a huge issue. I was sad Dr. Mindy Pelz ignored oxalates pushing us to eat high oxalate plants. She needs to read this study and interview Sally K Norton.
Agree!!
You can do Arugula to get plenty of Nitrates and low Oxalates.
Could have called it rocket, then I wouldn't have had to google it. It's good stuff that. After a shower it comes up everywhere and you can pick it pretty much until the next shower. Much better than that lettice shit people eat, in the sense of ease of cultivation. And it actually has some goodness in it, and tastes pretty good. Didn't realise it was low oxalate. Makes sense though, like it's palatable raw
@@brucejensen3081 I wouldn't have known what rocket was, only know rucola or arugula.
I grew up in SW Georgia. Traditional southern vegetable cooking tended to minimize oxalates by boiling everything until it turned into mush. I guess the oxalates were degraded but so was flavor. A couple of years ago I quit eating plants all together and solved autoimmune issues.
As a Croatian growing up eating a Mediterranean diet.. lots of meat, fish veggies.. a lot of our foods are boiled and then to add flavor back add a little garlic and olive oil and salt :) I am more keto now with lots of fish, meat and some veggies..
It's safe. But also other nutrient levels will diminish after cooking to mush.
I've made the conscious decision to avoid plants due to anti nutrition components as well as carcinogens. I was always of the mindset that on paper spinach and others were super foods. After having big salads filled with vegetables I could never comprehend why my sides hurt afterwards until I got exposed to carnivore and learned about anti nutrients like oxalate.
Thanks Mike
After kidney stones a few years back , I have almost completely dropped oxalates , I predominantly protein , healthy fats - carnivore , no to low carbs, fermented veg, I do have veg low oxalates, arugula [we call rocket] is great for nitric oxide and low in oxalates, lettuce , cabbage, I am very awre and very careful .. The other thing was skin rashes with oxalates , all that has gone and I feel great .
I warn people doing raw shakes and salads high in oxalates and to cook any vegetables , especially those high in oxalates .
These days , rashes , knee Pau has gone ..
For now it's grass fed , wild caught , free range-pasture raised and at 64 feel great
Almonds are super high in oxalates too. Other nuts are high too.
I love them!
And almond "milk" and almond "butter" are some of the worst because they are more easily absorbed by our gut. And a big problem is that a lot of people that are doing gluten free or very low carb diets are using a lot of almond flour
@nataliajimenez1870 yeah, I used to make bread and pizza crust with almond flour and ice cream with almond milk. And I ate almonds as a snack. I got real sick.
It's always fascinating to learn the newly discovered benefits to why our ancestors ate what they did, how they ate it, and why. For example, reducing oxalate levels in specific veggies via fermentation and water soaking. For a supposedly ignorant and unintelligent people, our ancestors seemed to know a lot more than we give them credit for. Modern people often discard old traditions, thinking they're out dated, not knowing why those traditions existed in the first place, and it almost invariably leads to bad outcomes.
Every generation is arrogant, feeling that they know better than everyone else.
Carnivore for 3 years after learning about oxalates.
Almond flour is super high.
No more fibromyalgia, bladder pain, arthritis, trigger fingers.
High meat/animal protein diets can increase uric acid levels and in turn cause uric acid kidney stones, although a lot more rare than calcium oxalate stones. Something to be aware of
@KingAzion1232 Actually meat and shellfish are rarely the cause for uric acid stones. It is fructose. Fructose is broken down into uric acid.
Robert Lustig and Rick Johnson talk about this.
When I worked in Pathology, we sent out all urinary stones for analysis. 90 % of them were calcium oxalate.
Don't forget dark chocolate and almonds. High amounts!
Stuff you, dark chocolate is good, as is coffee, tobacco, nicotine gum, pre workout, protein shakes with fat burners. Don't care what people think, I don't have a stim problem, the reason I wake up two hours after going to bed all jittery, is that it's too light in my bedroom, nothing else
I never forget to eat dark chocolate and almonds in high amounts!
Why go to the work of fermenting, etc. Far easier just to not eat them. Age 78, carnivore now 18 months. Arthritis pain gone, hand tremors gone, off of 6 medications.
I am a carnivore eat a strict carnivore diet. Never have to worry about that crap thank you for the information. It’s of great value. Have a great day.
Nice. I’m on lean carnivore but only temporarily to dump some quick weight before a race. No worries about oxylates for me right now
I removed all oxalate foods! Feels great!
Detox was not fun.
An issue coming up with high meat protein (red esp.) is high iron levels. Not good for organs and may contribute to diseases like Parkison's disease as well.
@ … vegan propaganda
Not a healthy long term diet either.
I spent years eating a lot, a lot of kale and spinach when I look at my pics from that time period I looked sick, greenish pale skin, lackluster skin and eyes, was constantly tired and easily with edema despite working out 5, 6 days a week weight training.
I honestly don’t know what to eat anymore. Every single food and drink, including the quality of water is an issue, this has all become too much.
agree
Meats, eggs, coconut.
Nonsense. Stop crying. There's plenty
@@matthewhunter6421 can you make a list?
Meat
I wzs a vegetarian in my 40s. 50s, anf 60s. I downed a pitcher of green smoothies daily for years. Many many oxalate toxicity signs in my 60s. Parathyroidectomy. 2+ cm kidney stone, plantar fasciitis, arthritic pain, tooth eruption ending in extraction, vulva pain, skin erruptoons.
Its all subsiding now after going low oxalate, thanks to Sally Notton❤ But its taken several years. I now drink copious citrus jiuce drinks.
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And RUclips eye doctors recommending spinach and leafy greens for eye health when oxalates cause macular degeneration.
Most leafy greens are not high in oxalates. And most people can tolerate them.
I’m so glad I never hopped on the juicing train. It never made sense how pulverizing the fiber could be a good thing.
Don't think eating some thing like fiber has any benefits aside from pooping. The body can't use it, thats why it goes out the waste shoot.
What's foods are healthy and unhealthy changes constantly, kind of scary!
I went to Japan last year. Entered a nice cozy tea shop. Drank an authentic sencha (had a strong green color after only a few seconds of brewing). In the evening my knees started hurting.
was it walking up numerous steps perhaps?
Spinach is a killer for me
This is important peeps. You can’t feel the problem until the body has accumulated so much that it is suddenly an acute problem that takes a long time to reverse. Best to start preventing it now.
Super helpful video , thanks Mike !
I get horrible muscle leg and foot cramps when I consume too much oxalate. So I stopped growing my favorite summer greens--- Swiss chard and amaranth leaves. And instead of sweet potatoes, I'm experimenting with Japanese pumpkins (kabocha). Also, cold brewed green tea doesn't seem to bother me as much--- and I am not giving up my chocolate, so there's that. ;)
That settles it. No more oxalate foods for me whatsoever. Why Try to include them in our diets in any way even buy cooking them if they're a detriment to our health when we could just avoid them all together?
I loved spinach, made the connection a few years ago. Felt like I hit a wall after eating the salads. Plus, some neighbors and friends would get kidney stones every time they went on a vegan diet.
I ate a kilo of cashews a week for 2 weeks and destroyed my kidneys. Still recovering. Elimated all oxalates, my knee pain and back pain have gone down considerably.
When I was made aware of this news yesterday, I substituted my almond milk and flour with coconut milk and flour. I've substituted spinach with brussel sprouts and asparagus. Thank you for your research.
Just eat a bit of everything. Diversify your cooking methods as well.
Brussel sprouts are just as bad.
Recommend...
Plants are trying to kill you, with
Dr Anthony Chaffee.
Oxlates will impact your joints I had no idea the damage they do.
I would say that you need oxalate-degrading bacteria in your gut. The most well studied is Oxalobacter Formigenes. I know you can make a yogurt of L. Gasseri and probably others too. I plan to do that and have some of the yogurt every day. Ask your favorite AI about bacteria that degrade oxalates.
It's all down to antibiotics. You take them to often you kill the needed bacteria. Eat kefir and gain the bacteria back and boom no oxalate issues
Have you read Dr. Davis's book Super Gut?
@@kjkernSerendipity I just bought Dr Davis's book but have not read it. I have listened to podcasts with him and I am making L Reuteri yogurt with great success. Like him, I believe gut maintenance is as important as the diet. Sadly, often ignored.
You forget to mention that citric acid dilutes oxalates.Just add lemon water or orange Juice to your oxalate rich meals and it's done
Appreciate this! Went fat free vegan 10 years ago to correct lipids instead of the statin drs wanted to put me on- and I became a stone former. Have been learning so much but still having to deal with kidney stones here and there even with eating a better moderate diet. Fascinated that a low protein diet could set stone forming in motion. I’ve wondered if my body can handle the higher protein that seems to be recommended currently. Always appreciate your insights and clear communication!
Keto or Carnivore should suit you way better, ignore the myth that fat makes fat and cholesterol
My wife is unique. She is HIGHLY affected by oxalates. We did not know this until we went on the keto diet. AND TO BE CLEAR!!! The Keto diet was NOT the problem. The problem is that if you are not aware of oxalates, then keto can easily be a high oxalate diet. Almost all the stables are high oxalates like kale, spinach, NUTS, etc. So we’re on keto and my wife has a regular physical. Her blood test comes back with creatinine through the roof. We though she had a genetic disease and was going to die or go on dialysis. She lost a ton of kidney function. But in the end it was oxalates. Once we got her off the oxalates and cleaned out here system she was much better. She did not get the kidney function back, but she is out of the woods. Bottom line - get your blood tested.
Interesting
Important factors are the amount eaten, the health of your digestive system, & accumulation in your body
Thanks for the info & the table at 5.27
Going cold-turkey on oxilates can cause bad side effects. Eliminating one food at a time has been suggested for people who want to cut the amount of oxilates in their diet.
Great info!! Thank you.
Dr Mark Hyman MD told an interesting story about a 99 year old woman with sarcopenia was told by her physician to eat a pound a beef per day to regain and maintain her muscle mass. She followed her docs advice and lived to 117!
Hardcore Ketovore here. I eat a TON of oxalates. I eat a ton of turmeric with ground pepper. I have cocoau with my coffee. I eat a lot of nuts and peanut butter daily. My only remaining issue is psoriasis but it has cleared up greatly. I'm not giving up turmeric (or black pepper) as the benefits outweigh any negatives in my personal experience.
I do believe that gut health is key here. I used to HATE spicy food and now I love it and if I'm eating with a group and we're eating spicy foods, I have to ask them: "Hey how hot is this?" because the heat doesn't phase me. Worst case scenario is that I may get a slight sniffle whereas old FAT me would have eyes watering and my nose running. I just had sashimi yesterday (highest carb meal I've had in months) and the wasabi didn't phase me. Spicy food longer burns coming out either.
1 hour of direct sun daily, 1 whole lemon with ACV and ginger (another high oxalate food), pink sea salt. L-reuteri yogurt, celery stick,. I've had a few days where I ran out of my lettuce/veggies and was carnivorish and I feel better when I have fiber.
? Nuts aren't are missing from your list and I've heard before they were on the Oxalates naughty list. What level are they please? Thanks.
Esp. Almonds
Sally Norton has a Data Companion to her book Toxic Superfoods that is an excellent and accurate source for oxalate amounts in foods and supplements.
Excess vitamin C is also broken down into oxalates. Sally doesn't recommend people take over 500mg per day. It might be less for Carnivores, since there is no competition with excess glucose to get into cells.
The word reminds me of a detergent, which is used with care. Good ol Kimchi!
I love big green leafy salads. I could eat a big salad 4 or 5 days a week for the rest of my life. Chef salad. Crab Louie. Cesar with chicken or salmon. Taco salad. A big garden salad with steak. Wonton salad. On and on and on. But boy howdy do I get terrible joint pain and kidney stones. I make kidney stones like Amish make barns; all the time and big. My knees just throb all day and night. My ankles feel all busted up.
I would definitely avoid high oxalate food like spinach, beet roots , rhubarb , almond but eat at moderation on those with lower oxalate content like lettuce, cabbage, and there fruits
Turmeric and Black Pepper !!!
Look up Sally K Norton.
I've been using tumeric for years but never knew I needed black pepper to get the benefits !!!
@CherylAshley-th8sb
No, don't take either.
Memo: oxylates produce kidney stones
So so oxalates 🤣
@@markwhite6782that's pretty so so, huh 😏
Whoa! I never knew parsley was so oxalate-heavy. There are a lot of people touting the benefits of apigenin and there are people consuming several grams of parsley daily in order to get a large enough dose of apigenin. According to the table at 5:36 these people would be consuming over a gram of oxalate per day. I doubt the apigenin benefits outweigh the downside of such an overdose of oxalates.
I have suffered over a dozen kidney stones, one so large it required a non-invasive surgical intervention. Since going carnivore almost two years ago my kidneys are happy campers.
Yeah it has lots in it. But when was the last time you had more than a pinch or two of parsley in your food? It's not like spinach, where people will eat a bag of it in a sitting.
I don't really give much thought to the seasonings we use, or the once in a while fruit or vegetable we eat with some oxalate in them.. The body is capable of ridding itself of oxalate. It's just not designed to be trying to get rid of a gram or two of it per day. You've experienced yourself the result of diets like that.
Glad you're doing better now. I went mostly Carnivore because of chronic and intensely painful heartburn that stopped the moment I stopped eating seed oils and bread. Similar for me. Feel so much better.
When I was 24 I suffered a horrible gout attack, I had elevated uric acid since my early teenage years and my doctor did not know why. I was a healthy weight and woked out frequently, I had a gout attack regardless. After 6 months of carnivore my uric acid levels are in the normal range and have no joint pain.
Uric acid is used only in the liver and only to metabolize fructose and ethanol. Consume too much of either of those and the uric acid stays high. That's it. Sad that your doc, and mine, did not know that.
💪🏿Here we go!💪🏿
Its really dependent on the microbiome of the individual, unfortunately antibiotics got rid of most of my oxalate degrading commensal bacteria were wiped out by antibiotics so I've had to cut high oxalate foods out. You can check your oxalate tolerance using Biomesight.
Citric acid dissolves oxalates and can therefore help reduce problems with the accumulation of oxalate crystals in the body. Citric acid is best taken in the form of fresh lemons or freshly squeezed lemon juice.
It seems it’s also added to many foods….
I heard consuming oxalate foods with calcium such as dairy products bind to the oxalates and is harmlessly passed through the digestive system. Is there any studies to verify this?
Thanks buddy
I'm going through my 3rd oxalate dump now. What an itchy misery. Hopefully it's my last one and will be over soon.
Thank you for info.
Thanks Mike, great podcast! I started a low oxalate diet just over a year ago. 😃👍🏽
I'm pretty sure I've developed MCAS from oxalate poisoning. How can I start to address and undo this?
Interesting that a lot of these are on the anti inflammatory diet
Ironic
Cheese and cooking is a good thing I heard to help reduce oxalates. Unfortunately fermented foods are bad for histamine intolerance. They are amazing though.
I wonder if you have done a video on histamine intolerance as an MTHFR related issue?
Oxalates are easily dealt with by the microbe that eats them, Oxalobacter formigenes. Eat raw unwashed spinach in tiny quantities, gradually increasing the daily amount.
Roasted nuts or cooked greens will not work.
I had terrible oxalate problems before colonizing my digestive system with these helpful microbes. No problems now. My Biomesight stool tests show healthy amounts of this microbe.
Mike, I have a couple of questions. 1) Why do so many doctors recommend these foods and say that they have a positive healthy effect? Do Doctors not know about oxalates? Yes, some people may have problems with oxalates, but do ALL people have problems? 2) What about the hormetic effect of oxalates? Of course some people may be alergic, but some may receive a hormetic benefit. How can you be sure that the toxic effect is worse than the hormetic benefit for ALL people?
Most Doctors today work for corporations and only do what they are told. Just look at the jabs we were told were safe and effective. Doctors can’t be trusted.
whats the difference between lectines and oxylates?
Will address in a video next week! Great question.
Some of my favorite foods are on this list. But I soak my beans and cook them.
However I love my greens raw in salads. So I just need to grow more greens myself and also eat them with protein and calcium.
Memo: oxylates are an antinutrient that are mostly found in green leafy greens
tea leaves ->green tea->jesus help me :(
Mushrooms are not high in oxalates according to a lot of lists. So what is it 🤔
After 5 rounds of kidney stones, the last three after trying to limit my oxalate input, and adding calcium when I did have oxalate laden vegetables, I decided to switch to carnivore and haven't had a kidney stone problem since.
After I first started keto a few years ago, in my mid/late 50s, I developed a kidney stone. Excruciatingly painful! After the fact, while I was researching kidney stones, I discovered a lot of the things I was eating were high in oxalates, such as spinach, beet greens, swiss chard, dark chocolate. I cut all that stuff out, and thankfully I haven't had any trouble since, now heading into my mid 60s. I also started supplementing with both potassium and magnesium citrates, which help counteract oxalates, as does lemon water, though I don't drink that anymore. And though I recently fell off the wagon with my diet (the holidays junk food and blood testing experiments) I am generally carnivore now, so oxalates really aren't a concern anymore.
Peanut butter is high in oxalates.
I was never vegan but would add spinach or kale to a protein powder shake w kiwi and blueberries. It always bloated me and, tbh, didn't do much for my immune system as I always got sick.
Why would you eat a lot of green leafy vegetables??? 😅 I’m confused 😅
I cut back an elephant ear plant that wilted after a freeze here. After about 10 minutes, my hands and forearms began burning intensely. Washing did nothing to ease the pain. When I looked up what could possibly be happening to me, I discovered that the sap of elephant ears is ultra high in calcium oxalate. The website described the oxalates to be like microscopic needles. That description matched my agony. This has caused me to wonder why on earth I would ever knowingly ingest anything with oxilates.
I began purging oxalates about 3 months ago. Mostly carnivore during this phase, but I have an avocado once in a while. My a.m. glucose is running over 100, so I am hoping to bring this down. For a while, I thought the discharge from my eyes was oxalate related. It turns out this was actually a bacterial infection, probably picked up in my gardening. I mention it, because purging oxalates can have such a diversity of symptoms that it can be somewhat misleading.
Boiling these takes out a massive majority of oxalates - you did sort of touch on that but needed to be emphasised
It somewhat reduces them. It is not a sufficient solution if you do the math. The math can be figured out using Sally Norton’s book “Toxic Superfoods”.
@@HammyGirl999 "The consumption of boiled spinach may lower risk as significant amounts of soluble oxalate are leached out during boiling (67% loss"
Thank you so much. I understand steaming does not remove oxalates whet boiling where reduce them somewhat. ❤
I'm so tired of these studies telling me that everything is going to kill me! I just want to eat food that i like, workout and die stress free.
How do you ferment sweet potatoes?
What about making a video reg. how much cooking like boiling reduces oxalates in spinatz and how much the vitamins go down if you eat the water from the spinatz?
Would second this as all foods appear to have their downsides and knowing how to prepare food is more useful than just avoidance which seems less than effective.
@@monkian what do you mean about you would "second this"? I mean, that all foods seem adviced to require boiling in all the ancient alchimy litterature.
@@MrCarstennielsen I would second your suggestion about a video.
Man I just eat meat and dairy, all these extra hoops to jump through is too much for me.
Get iron levels checked if doing high red meat.
Lots of these issues may be cleaned up with a balanced gut biome. Dr Davis talks about this in his book Super Gut.
I’ve cut out almost all greens out of my diet due to my allergy to mold. Mold/mycotoxins tend to make their toxic way into just about all foods, especially in USA, where it’s just about the worst in the world due to being unregulated. Huge improvement in my overall wellbeing. Further followed that change with cutting out all nuts, seed oils, etc. Another huge improvement. Was it just mold? Or did oxalates have something to do with it? I’m beginning to think for me it was both, but either way, cutting all these plants out of my diet improved my wellbeing and quality of life, higher energy levels, less fatigue, etc.
No veggies for me. There's no need he them. Just meat, eggs, and some dairy for me, please.
It's amazing how much food just seems to make us lethargic, uncomfortable. Never had issues with kidney stones but do feel many veggies make he "nauseous" or kinda sick and they're the ones I seemingly ate my whole life. I admittedly haven't switched to organic veggies, but may have to.
So what are the top 5 veggies we can eat that in general, are low on all the bad things?
What do you think of nightshades? are they really inflammatory?
Moderation for everything. There are pluses and minuses for absolutely everything.
Nailed it dude!
I have a large quantity of highly productive rhubarb plants, now what do I do with it? It's one of the few plants I've succeeded in growing.
Just eat meat.
Or cook these foods to massively reduce oxalates. Meat is great but so are hundreds of other foods
@@brandonyoung4910 cooking doesn't effect oxaltes content much
Interesting, dave asprey has been preaching this for years
What is the glycine connection with oxylates? Thank you.
The "oxalate problem" is a gut biome problem, though. Half a century or so back, it wasn't a problem.
Here 2 Simply and important things to keep in mind about oxalates:
1) NEVER EVER Blenderize or Pulverize High Oxalate foods before consumption!
2) if you are going to consume a high oxalate food(which are primarily found in Vegetables) Always consume with High Calcium food such as certain cheeses and/or yogurts(calcium binds to the Oxalates in the gut and pass down through the gut instead of allowing to pass into Blood stream via gut barrier/stomach lining!
Be careful with high-dose vitamin C supplementation as well. Vitamin C metabolism releases a fair amount of oxalate.
Interesting, thx
Great book is a toxic superfood.
I had a quite a bad issue with this and matter fact, I was told by healthcare professionals that you just can’t then all of a sudden go cause you body‘s already been toxic and poison by itself and you can’t just go OK now I’ll just stop. They said you gotta actually wean yourself off of it . Dark chocolate high they even told me avocados if they’re not perfectly ripe and soft they’re very high so it’s a lot of stuff that we used to think we’re good for us and or not.
I eat lots of greens and other foods with so called oxalates and have zero issues
Oh my Nitrogen fertilizer doubles the Oxcilits. Ya make sense .more problem with modern farming . Just sad .food is so different from sixty , fifty years ago .
Thankyou .
Is there a way to measure it in your body? I love spinach and try not to eat it raw from now on.
Views on dairy?