UK vs USA Pie! // why did Americans reject meat pies?
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Fun facts for this video!
In the US, everything shown in these pictures would be called a pie. In the UK, you might call it a tart or something else, but that is what Americans think of as "pie," which is part of the whole reason for this video on differences.
My claim is not that apple pie was invented in the US (it's not, as many of you have pointed out) - it's that apple pie has become synonymous with American patriotism in the states. :)
Apple & Blackberry Pie ( real Pie with a pastry top ) Made with Blackberrys from the hedgerows & scrumped Apples, and baked by my Grandmother . Used to literally live off them for a couple of weeks each year as a child. ( P.s." Scrumped " means acquired with out payment, direct from the tree in England ).
Your sweet pies look like tarts to me. And the U.K. has lost of sweet tarts - an iconic one would be Bakewell tart
Scotch pie is my favourite you can also get maccaroni pie and curry pies
@@timhannah4
Your pudding is bread
@@clivebonehill3348free pie is the best pie! 😂
Pies have a pastry lid. Without a lid, it's a tart.
Or a pizza, pizza is not a pie
I came here to say this. Most of the things Americans call pies are actually tarts.
Pizza pie
Or a flan.
Except that shepherds pie does not have pastry at all (on the lid or the base).
As a Brit, the first pie that I think of if someone mentions a fruit or sweet pie is apple pie.
It was something brought over to the USA by those from the UK, mostly. It's a traditional fruit pie and I think most British people would think of this first!
I think to find similar items to what you are referring to as sweet American pies, in the UK you’d really have to take a look at tarts, like treacle tart, which I think has many similarities to a pecan pie only instead of pecans, breadcrumbs are used and instead of corn syrup, golden syrup is used but they have very similar flavour profiles…in my opinion. Then of course there’s jam tarts, Bakewell tart, custard tart, Devonshire strawberry tart, Scottish pineapple tarts, lemon tart, Ecclefechan tarts, coconut and raspberry tarts, almond flory tart, Scottish strawberry tarts, Congress tarts, butterscotch tart, cornflake tart etc. etc. etc.
We have many traditional open top sweet pies here in the UK we just mostly call them tarts, though they are even sometimes called cakes or puddings too, like the Welsh amber pudding. But for the most part in the UK a pie is something that has a covered top be that in either pastry or mashed potato and usually has a pastry base too (unless topped with mash, like cottage/shepherd/Cumberland/fish/admiral pie) the only real exception to that rule that I can think of is banoffee/banoffi pie, which was actually based on or inspired by a US sweet pie recipe called Blum’s Coffee Toffee Pie, which was apparently quite unreliable and was only created in the 1970’s, so is not seeped in the UK traditional pie or tart rules. Though it is also often made with a crushed biscuit base like a cheesecake.
Apple pies originated in England. The first written recipe dates back to an English Cookbook published in 1381 in which it was referred to as a “Tartys in Applis”.
Growing up in the UK in the '70s, my mother would always make apple pie with whole cloves in it.
My Grandma always had cloves in her apple pies 😊
Cloves, pinch of cinnamon and a handful of dried mixed fruit beautiful.
I have only one thing to say about pies, and it concerns pies in the UK (I don't know whether the same applies in the US), and that is, a proper pie has a pastry bottom, sides and top. All those establishments here in the UK that sell "pies" in some sort of earthenware bowl are just selling some sort of stew with a pastry lid which is a cop out.
The standard Scottish steak pie (particularly for New Year) does not have a pastry base or sides, just a puff pastry top.
Traditional British sweet pies usually have a top crust and seasonal fruit: apple - cherry - gooseberry - blackcurrant- blueberry- rhubarb - plum - damson - quince ….. softer fruits often do not have a crust and may have frangipane - strawberry - raspberry - pear. Lemon meringue etc. are French influence.
Brits love both kinds of Pie and the American apple pie is also British in origin
Yeah lol. As american as apple pie!...... what british?
Yup, a British creation in 1381.
@@dont_give_a_flying_fIt was invented long before Columbus set sail for the Americas. I can't think of many foods Americans invented.
you mean French it was only invented in Britain from french pilgrims
@@paulmilner8452 the first recorded recipe for apple pie was written in 1381 in England.
The best baker in my family during our childhood was Gramma. She insisted that if it was savoury, it was a pie, if it had suet it was a pudding, if it was sweet it was a tart, and if it was open-topped it was a flan if sweet or a quiche if savoury. Whilst living in the US in the 80s/90s, my local courthouse square diner always had chicken pot pie on the menu. It was great. 😋
A woman after my own heart.
The first type of pie that came to my mind was my mother's apple pie. I'm English!
My favourite pie is steak and kidney. Favourite fruit pie is apple but must be Bramley apple, which is why I have an English bramley apple tree in my french garden. Best served with cheese.
Ireland here .... My mother baked us homemade Apple TART (and Rhubarb).
Since then, I've only ever seen that same naming. These were/are overwhelmingly lidded. I appreciate the other comments on Pie/Tart differentiation, I'm just providing my own observations.
I thought pies without a topping crust are tarts eg. Bakewell Tart.
Ahem. Bakewell PUDDING!
@@ChalcedonXXX Now you're talking!
There are many variations of pies that America invented. Pecan pie is not a tart,neither are pies that are cream and American pudding based
The French word tart can be translated to mean pie or tart
Mince pies at Christmas are (these days) sweet pies, and certainly very iconic. Apple pie is also very popular.
Steak pie is my favourite.
Mince meat pie is popular at Thanksgiving in America and has no meat. My father prefers it over pumpkin pie, so my mother bakes both at Thanksgiving, because the rest of the family prefers pumpkin pie.
(& kidney)
@@BrandonLeeBrownYeah, not sure why it's called mince'meat'. I'm surprised you have them in the States, I didn't think you guys enjoyed dried fruit desserts?
@@mehallica666 We have "fruit cake" too, and like in the UK, it is made of candied and dried fruits. It normally doesn't have alcohol though. Historically, mince meat pie did have meat. The reason Americans call opened top pies, "pies" is because most are custard pies and I think the UK has the term, "custard pie", which is also open top.
@@BrandonLeeBrown It's just that many other similar creators often explain it's something they've never come across before moving here. And CERTAINLY aren't keen when they've tried it. I LOVE fruit cake. In fact, it's the only type of cake I do eat.
Excellent! UK war rations lasted until 1954, so people might have lost their sweet tooth during the 15-year sugar shortage. Also, hand pies, pasties, etc. were a convenient meal for miners to pocket for their shift below.
Rationing remained in effect until the early 1950s. Meat was the last item to be derationed and rationing ended completely in 1954, nine years after the war ended. The UK was the last country involved in the war to stop rationing food.
@@wolfman6941 Thanks for the maths correction! Yes the War Effort had far reaching effects. I was raised in Canada by Scots and English family. No sweets, and zero waste. Even when fortunes improved, there were soap shavings under the sink, a brick in the toilet cistern, and four blue corners pegged to the wash line that were once a J-Cloth.
@@danmayberry1185 By the mid 50's in the UK Harold Macmillan, British Prime Minister, was telling our parents or grandparents "Let us be frank about it, most of our people have never had it so good".
@wolfman6941
Food rationing ended in 1954, coal rationing lasted till July 1958. Exchange controls introduced in 1939, where removed in 1979. I was constantly reminded by family members about rationing, and encouraged to eat up everything on the plate. Rationing cast a long shadow on Britain post war.
Freshly picked gooseberry tart - a childhood favourite! Along with jam and lemon curd tarts, Simple and delicious. It would be nice to do a comparison of puddings
Thank you for another good presentaion - In Newcastle we used to say "Apple pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze"
I can't enjoy apple pie without a bit of cheese - thought it was Canadian, but Geordies roamed free in our neighborhood, so credit where due.
I love the idea of free range Geordies! Does David Attenborough know? He's been wanting to film them for years!
Rhubarb pie and mince pies are definitely iconic British sweet pies. Also cherry.
Steak & Kidney Pies should be high on the list
I did like homemade pumpkin pie when I was in the US when I had a thanksgiving dinner and I also tried for the first time homemade cranberry sauce which is much better than from a jar.
I like a pork and apple pie. This is a standard pork pie with a bit of apple sauce included because apple sauce is the traditional accompaniment to roast pork. Definitely a savoury pie.
For sweet pies, I like apple and blackcurrant, which I assume that the USA doesn't have since it doesn't have blackcurrants, and rhubarb pie, though it is more commonly served as a crumble.
This brings up pie-adjacent food, such as crumbles, cobblers, tarts, flans and puddings, all of which share many filling ideas with each other.
Some states have now lifted the ban on growing currants so it depends on where you live as to whether you can get currants or not. I love currants so I wish every state would do the same.
Hi there, Fellow American Expat here in London at present. In my youth, my parents owned a bakery so I’ve spent a lot of time in Pie Land. And while I do bake a lot myself and love a good Apple, Blueberry or Lemon Meringue, among others, thanks to much traveling in Australia, NZ, Ireland and the UK I’ve also fallen in love with a good savoury pie myself. Steak & Ale pies are a favorite but, since my son adores both Cottage and Shepherd’s pies I’ve made many of them. Let it be known though, no ears of corn were injured in the making 😜. And I for one will always eschew the casserole dish in favor of a nice flakey pie crust. There’s just no comparison. 😊
There is also the applications of pie to mathematics.
Something to do with the circumference of my waistband, multiplied by 3.14
You ate all the pies 😮
Many apple pie recipes in the UK would substitute cloves for cinnamon. Other great pies include: egg and bacon, blackberry, caramel, pear, gooseberry, treacle tart. Fun fact: raspberry tart is cockney for fart hence blowing a raspberry!
I cant believe Steak and Kidney didn't get mention... One of my all time favourite 'pies' (along with S&K pudding with gravy).
Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye.
Four and twenty blackbirds
Baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened,
The birds began to sing.
Wasn't that a dainty dish
To set before the king?
The king was in his counting house,
Counting out his money.
The queen was in the parlour,
Eating bread and honey.
The maid was in the garden,
Hanging out the clothes,
When down came a blackbird
And pecked off her nose.
I would love to see a video on the American sweet tooth and the invasion of inverted corn syrup. It's in everything and pretty nasty stuff by all accounts. It's not nearly as prevalent here, but I'm sure they're working on it.
"Americans put corn in their shepherd's pies"
I'm sorry, we do WHAT?
Vegan Shepard Pies are a travesty. The companies who make Vegan Shepard’s Pie should be fined from using the Shepard’s in their product title. While for Pie Manufacturers they should be forced to join an organisation that poses strict limitations on what must go in each type of pie. If they don’t follow the rules they must rename their product or face fines. Unfortunately the food industry on a whole would be scared to pose limitations on what must go in each type of product,
The best pies are in Scotland, a steak and ale pie with a puff pastry top, nothing beats that, especially from a good quality Scottish pub in the Highlands.
Best pie I ever ate in Scotland was lamb and it was from Lamb & Gardiners Shell garage in Coupar Angus, can't wait to go back, gonna 12 of the wee beasties for us freezer
Pasties are a kind of pie done up in a certain way (in particular Cornish pasties). In the singular it's pasty.
Venison pie with mushrooms and a suet crust. Seriously yum.
Blackberry & apple pie was a favourite during the war as we could go and pick wild blackberries & quite a few people had apple trees in their gardens
Nobody has mentioned it so far .. I will, Custard Pie.
Which is actually a Tart.
My parents were born in 1922.
Whose parents ( my grandparents) were born in the 1890s would make pies out of the ingredients they could afford proper meat was expensive and beyond the reach of their pocket ( unless it fell off the back of a wagon) offal was often used because it was so cheap chicken was cheap, rabbit was free my grandad and dad trapped it on his way to work and collected it on his way home. Mum skinned it but wouldn't gut it. My elder brother got that job when he was old enough.
Hedgehogs were wrapped in mud and baked, pull off the hardened mud, and the spines came with it pop the meat in a pie.
I've never had any of these pies in 60 years, and I dont particularly want to, I do now and again think of rabbit pie.
I wouldn't have a clue where to start to make it now.
A little tale for you about rabbit
My brother whilst in the forces met and eventually married a girl from South America.
Shortly after getting married, my bro trapped a rabbit for tea, gutted it, mum skinned, and cooked it.
Whilst we sat eating it, my new sister in law said "Oh this is very nice Mum what is it?" My mum and bro looked at each other and an unspoken, " lie to her!" Flashed across my bros face. " Its lamb." My bro declared.
It's very nice, but I didn't know lamb had such small legs.
It took real effort not to crack up laughing.
Later on, my bro did tell her the truth, though, lol.
Top of my list is a Melton Mowbray pork pie, closely followed by a Fray Bentos steak and kidney pie, which comes in a tin. The only problem is that they're a sod to open!
I love how you very neatly skirted around how to pronounce the Cornish village of Mousehole, home of the Stargazy Pie! It's Mouzle, in case you were wondering. 😆
very well noticed Andy 😂 Thanks for the pronunciation!
There are mince pies which are a Christmas staple in the UK. These were sweet meat pies in medieval times, but transformed into sweet fruit based pies in the mid to late 19th century.
Iconic uk sweet pie
Mince pie!
If shepherds pie is a pie, apple crumble should probably be a pie too
I love Pecan pies and steak and kidney anď similar...
A pasty is a Cornish version of a pie with a crust strong enough to be dropped down a tin mine....
My wife make the best pie on the planet ,previously cooked baby new potatoes and leaks covered in grated red Leicester, mature cheddar and Shropshire blue cheese (other blue cheeses have been tried and all work fabulously). For pudding cherry pie
The open pies you mention would be usually called tarts this side of the pond and in Ireland most even with top crusts are called apple tart, rhubarb tart etc. So you may have missed those in your list of sweet pies - jam tarts, treacle tart, custard tarts...
I'm not sure that that list of top pies in the UK is very representative. Just did my own quick search, and that one seems an outlier for not having sweet pies on it. Most of the ones I can find have at least Apple, Lemon Meringue and Banoffee alongside the meat pies.
Also, when I was growing up, I can only remember hearing about Pot Pies on shows from the US.
I always though pot pies were developed in the hippy sixties as an alternative edible high to hash brownies.
Stargazey pie is very rare. I know of it but have never seen it served or for sale. And yes, it is creepy.
Steak and kidney.... chicken and mushroom.... cheese and onion.... apple pie... cherry pie... lemon meringue pie...
rhubarb pie also
Years ago I saw a sticker in a car rear window reading APPLE PIE IS CARCINOGENIC which made me laugh.
As an American, I love meat pies. My grandma made an amazing meat pie with venison, spinach, and mushrooms.
Sing a Song of Sixpence: "4 and 20 Blackbirds baked in a pie...." referenced these elaborate "pie-tricks" of the "pie-oneers" of the past.
Where do you weigh a pie?
Somewhere,
Over the rainbow,
Weigh a pie...
UK tends to make Crumbles with fruit, eg Apple Crumble, fruit at the bottom, crumb like butter flour sugar mix over the top .... can be any fruit, v quick to make.
Thanks for a great video (which sent me to the fridge at 1.00am to nibble more of my pork pie!. Two important bits of culture for future use: Cornish pasties originated because the Cornish miners mined lead and had lead contaminated hands, thus anything they touched and ate in the mines would make them ill. So along came the pasty: meat, potato and veg at one end and (few know this) fruit filling at the other. The traditional thick crust along the seam was for holding the pasty whilst eating it and the (now lead/dirt lined) crust was then thrown away. Similar to Cornish pasties was the Bucks Cherry Pie, where each August a competition was held (somewhere in Bucks near Amersham) to see who could bake the greatest number of cherries in a predetermined area of pie crust. The most efficient shape resulted in something like a pasty. Hope this helps. Look us up on the Hants & Berks US Ex pats club!
Blackberry and apple pie was something we had often when I was a child
Mince pies used to contain minced meat.
when living in SoCal I couldn’t get meat, pork or potato pies anywhere. not even from the British Shop in nearby Thousand Oaks. Though I could get some Cornish Pasties, they pronounce them as paysties, in Grass Valley, Northern California.
American's traditional meat pie is the chicken pot pie .We also eat beef pot oie and Shepherds pie is cinsidered a comfort food from long ago .
Many early immigrants had an impact on our cousine particularly the Germans.
We love our dessert pies. Many not known in the UK. Pecan , pumpkin ,sweet potato, cherry,peach and peach cobbler ,blueberry ,blackberry ,lemon meringue and cream based pies
Key Lime pie is a Florida specialty.
We put everything sweet into a pie,you put everything but the kitchen sink into a pastry shell
When I lived/worked in the US for 10 years I would regularly take home made meat and potato pies, Cornish pasties, etc in to work for lunch it would cause much confusion amongst my American co-worker around what they were, and how I could eat them hot or cold, as they were not a common thing to bake in most US states.
The other pastry dish that was made a lot is steamed or boiled puddings, like steak and kidney or Norfolk dumpling.
My local butcher makes a good range of savoury meat pies - my favourite is game pie with pheasant and venison
in wales a pie has a top on and usualy savoury. any thing with fruit in is usualy left with no top and called a tart probably from the french torte.
As a Brit who visits the US 5 or 6 times a year my list would be:
1) Coconut Cream Pie
2) Pithiviers de l’homard
3) Haupia Pie
3) Coulibiac
You should have considered Australian pies as well, they are much more important here than in the UK. Aside from the basic meat and gravy, we've created a vast array of wonderful pie fillings (including kangaroo, emu, and crocodile meat). Tonight I'm having a pie I made using slow-cooked beef, red wine, onion, mushroom, and cream as the basic ingredients.
I have an apple pie recipe that I'm almost certain you'd love over any apple pie you've ever had, yes it contains cinnamon (personally, I think cinnamon is a must and I always open up apple pies without it to sprinkle some inside ha), and yes, it's also a British recipe xD
I'm also stunned both Pork Pie and Meat & Potato Pie wasn't on the list and I don't believe Shepherds Pie or Cottage Pie are actually any kind of pie at all.. Closer to a hot pot, but still not that either.. It's the lack of pastry for me, can't seriously call it a pie if it doesn't have a pie crust xD
Where I grew up we had apple trees in our garden, as well as rubard, gooseberries, strawberries, so my Mum would make lots of different pies and crumbles.
If cottage pie is a pie, then so is fish pie, usually made with off cuts of various types of fish in a sauce and covered in mashed potatoes. Preferably cooked with grated cheese on top.
Having consulted my trusty copy of "Miss Tuxford's Cookery for the Middle Classes (including Useful Hints on Gas Stove Cooking)", I'm disappointed you missed out on those mainstays of British cuisine: Rabbit Pie, Pigeon Pie and Rook Pie. Miss Tuxford was also big on Curried Rabbit and Jellied Rabbit and a lot of other delicacies I have no wish to sample. Bring on the blackcurrant pie!
You should check out some of the strange pie flavours served at the football in the UK. Macaroni pie, macaroni and black pudding pie, kebab meat pie, chicken curry pies, steak and chorizo, cheesy beans pie.
I love Ham, Leek & Mustard pie (or with Chicken instead) and Beef Wellington with Pâté, often left out for some reason. It's wrapped in puff pastry. I also love Quiche Lorraine, although it's a tart. For sweet pies, Lemon Meringue Pie takes some beating!
I always think of savory/meat pies as pot pies. They can be found in stores.
Plum pie.. mmm. Try Nigel slaters plum pie recipe.. with a sweet, shortcrust pastry .. its so good - plums may come in a glut and have yo get used up fast . Prefer apple pie without cinnamon - its just not needed.. if you have great apple taste and good fresh cream or custard..
Re humble pie. People from Wigan in Lancashire are colloquially known as pie eaters. This is because they were the first workers in the region to return to work after a long period of industrial strike.
As a Brit, my favourite pies are: pork pie, steak pie, apple pie, and (sweet) mince pies.
A hot savoury pie is my go-to at a pub. You can judge a good pub by its pie crust.
Melton Mowbary, left until room temperature.
I am British and, for what it is worth, I first thought of fruit pies, particularly apple pies. The four-page report which you mentioned was prepared by the Melton Mowbray Pork Pie Association. Melton Mowbray pies are a particular kind of pork pie made with chopped uncured pork rather than minced cured pork and the meat is grey when cooked rather than pink. Melton Mowbray is a protected name and only pies made in the vicinity of Melton Mowbray and cooked according to the traditional recipe are allowed to be sold in the European Union under that name. In my opinion, they are much superior in taste to the "ordinary" pork pies.
I can't prove it, but I think that fruit pies usually use shortcrust pastry whereas meat pies may, unfortunately, have other kinds of pastry such as puff pastry or flaky pastry.
Banoffee pie is a great, sweet, British pie but my favourite savoury pie is made by Kirk's Butchers of Skegness; a pork pie with cheese and pickle.
As a multicultural country the meat pie is almost a cultural icon, thank god we stuck with the Brit’s on that one.
A meat pie is almost the perfect snack, you only need one hand to eat it, pie in one hand beer in the other, not to mention it is a skill to eat a pie without making a mess, you have to practice to become proficient.
My favourite pie is Beef & Ale Pie served with chipc, mushy peas and gravy. I was away at the weekend and on Saturday we ate at a pub called The Weighbridge Inn" (Stroud, Gloucestershire) which is reknowned for it's 2 in 1 pies. Half is a pie with a filling of your choice and covered in shortcrust oastry and the other half is cauliflower cheese (open). I like pastry so I had a normal pie that had a complete pastry top and the filling was turkey and all the trimmings (sausage, bacon, cranberry sauce etc.). delicious.
My favourite is shepherd’s pie with mint added to the lamb/mutton mince.
It seems that in previous times, birds like ducks and geese were used more and also baked in pies, especially in the UK. It is a bit strange that the turkey, which has become a tradition both in the US and the UK as a thanksgiving and Christmas food, respectively, has not won popularity as a pie ingredient.
Well researched. English fruit pies, Apple and Blackcurrant, Rhubarb and Apple, Pear and Rhubarb, Pumpkin and Gooseberry and Apricot and Apple, this is just a few. I did grow up on fruit pies and my Gran was a great cook of the old school. Yes there are many meat pies in this country, as you know, but just as many fruit ones.
I think it is just because not many people have the time now to do cooking from scratch and anything in a freezer that is cooked in a microwave is the only way one can find food. As this, I think, is the case most supermarkets only have a small selection of fruit pies for people to choose from, and so, over time, our culture changes.
Scottish pie is my favorite. The version made with lean mince and just a bit of onion is great.
Re Jellied Eels and Pie and Mash, They are served in the same shop, but not normally as parts of the same meal.
National pie week is… 3.14 (Pi).
The only time is Brits are happy to write the day and month the “wrong” way round, as it’s worth it for the joke.
Most of the sweet US pies you showed us have no top and the equivalent would be called tarts in Uk. We do have many many sweet pies, we just call them tarts. Jam tart, bakewell tart, treacle tart, lemon tart, custard tart, many fruit varieties too - might call these flans in some cases though...
Gala pie from Galashiels in Scotland.
Cadbury's chocolate was not a patriotic war food in the UK. Cadbury's stopped producing chocolate in WWII and diverted its factories to essential wartime production. The US company Hersheys, in contrast, made a fortune out of WWII, supplying its dodgy chocolate to US troops.
Mince pie at Christmas! Originally it would have contained minced beef, fruit, spices, brandy and sugar. I have made this original version and it is wonderful.
American idea of pie is a tart that consists of anything sweet thrown into a pastry casing.
My mum was a great baker & my dad grew a lot of fruit & veg so we always had fruit pies; apple, apple & blackberry, gooseberry, rhubarb. Always with Birds custard. So although I'm in the UK & love meat pies, my first thought was rhubarb pie.
Rhubarb pie every time :-)
A fruit crumble is pie like.
British apple pies are flavoured with cloves, rather than cinnamon. And pies are not served with jellied eels, they are an alternative! "Pie, mash and liquor" is the staple of those shops, the "liquor" being a parsley sauce. One quote I love, from a book by Noel Barber, is that the hero's mother was "as American as apple pie", whereas his paternal grandmother was "as French as tarte aux pommes"!
Apple pies are at their very best in the UK and the Netherlands. ‘As American as apple pie’ means sickly sweet and second rate. Note - I live in Nevada and travel extensively around the world.
No treatise on the most iconic of pies - The Melton Pork Pie, I am surprised it was not at the top of the list? To me a pie is a dish that is baked with a pastry crust all around, whereas a tart is one where there is no crust topping, which seems from here to be the most popular in US. Also a tart often has a cold filling, not one that is baked.
Pasties are an interesting point, which is a baked core of potatoes and meat, traditionally at one end and a sweet filling at the other. The pastie is created by folding the filling into a parcel of pastry and then crimping the edges. The pastie has its origins in Cornwall, where it was eaten by the tin miners, who would hold the pastie by the crimped edge and discard it after eating the rest, the reason being that the miners hands could be contaminated with arsenic and that was not to be ingested. Cornwall in UK is the centre for pasties, which often live up to their reputation as a full sized meal in a pastry crust.
As a Brit, when I hear the word "pie" on its own, its 100% savoury.
Apple pie is a thing, but "pie" is usually filled with meat.
Also as a Brit, when somebody lists pies, I HAVE to add "creampie" and see who laughs 😂
Mmmm, pork pie, meat and potato pie, cottage pie, and, Birds Eye Chicken pies... All my favourites.
Hey, not only did I make it to the end, I gave you money to allow me to do it! If you want to confuse a Septic at Christmas offer them a Mince Pie with whipped cream and watch 'TILT' come up in their eyes ;-)
No wip cream allways brandy butter.
I cook both sweet and savoury pies. My wife has made pecan pie and pumpkin pie which was complimented by a visiting American.
Are fruit crumbles a thing in the USA? Apple, rhubarb, pear, cherry etc. are well known here in the UK, normally served with cream or custard! (is custard the same here and there?)
DEBRA HERE FROM SOUTH WALES
My top 10 pies in no particular order are:
Cottage pie
Shepherds pie
Fish pie
Seafood pie
Steak and kidney pie
Steak and ale pie
Steak pie
Chicken pie
Pork pie
Chicken and leek pie.
As you can see I am a savoury pie girl all the way.
My top choice is pumpkin pie. And any time of year. Maybe a sweet potato pie.
I think you have missed a couple of really important points.
1. Christmas Mince pies for the UK is a national tradition, with industry awards being handed out for the Best pie ( see grocer magazine) in any particular year. Next to Christmas Turkey it is THE most important sale at Christmas and therefore each supermarket and manufacturer is rightly proud of winning the title.
2. Hot eating Meat Pies at all Football grounds is as the important as the football ground itself. You can literally can tell what ground you are at by the taste and style of the pie on sale.
Cold eating pies are to a large extent regional ie Melton Mowbray and like cheese are a reflection of the location.
Americans just like sweet things. Even their savoury food is sweet.
Lamb used to be quite common in the US. My mother would cook a leg of lamb at least once a month into the 1970s. I haven't had lamb in ages.