Archery | High Draw vs Low Draw
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- A look at different variations on how the bow can be drawn , their pros and cons, and whether there actually is a difference.
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Ok this makes a lot of sense now. I always start low. This has to be because my arrow is pointed down into the ground until Im ready to shoot. Coming from a firearms shooting background you always start with the barrel pointed down. A habit Ill have to break in archery.
Not only that but as a beginner I always took the precaution of never aiming up in the fear the string might slip and send the arrow all the way to the French. But in reality it's starting up but once you put any real tension on the string it's already on target.
I would only do a high draw on a field of battle where only enemies are down range and an accidental discharge would not hit innocent bystanders. I prefer center draw or low draw for safety purposes. The muscles can be built up and with proper draw weight, it should not hinder you any doing low or center draw. As with a gun, a single arrow can kill and accidental discharges with archery can occur much easier than with firearms. If using a release, I have seen people's releases have an unexpected mechanical failure. Also, D-loops can fail. If using fingers, they can have a spasm or just plain slip.
I find the high draw the easiest for loading. I can use the weight of the bow and stabilizers to draw the string back while balancing the pressure between my shoulders. Also, I find it encourages better back posture which leads to less floating.
Thanks for the amazing video!
I've just recently started shooting as a target archer and due to the starting position being low, I always used the low draw which, as mentioned, fatigue your muscles much quicker especially since I started with a 35# bow which was also another mistake. I can shoot my bow about 50 times until it's too tiring and the next day both my triceps and shoulder feel a bit sore.
I've just tried high draw and instead of pulling with the triceps and shoulder and locking with my back muscles, I can feel my back muscles working from A to B when I draw my bow. Just have to try this out next time I go shooting.
Thanks Nu Sensei, I just wish I had discovered your channel before purchasing my bow but so far your videos have helped me a lot as a beginner!
I used to low draw as you described, mainly because I am a self-taught shooter in my backyard and was under the impression that having a drawn bow pointed "up" would be a hazard. I took archery lessons last week and my coach told me that it's not recommended to use that technique because, as you mentioned, it puts more strain on muscles but apparently it can also lead to injuries if the motion is repeated over time.
Now I try to do more of a middle draw, and I found it allowed me to be more consistent.
Anyways, I always enjoy your archery videos, keep 'em coming.
The injury warning is sound. It tends to put more strain on the rotator cuff, which is the most common archery injury.
Another advantage of the high draw is that you are storing extra gravitational potential energy in your arms and the bow prior to drawing it. This stored energy can then be used to assist in drawing the bow, taking some of the load off your most-heavily taxed muscles.
The high draw tends to keep the bow shoulder down. Well explained in "Archery Anatomy" by Ray Axford.
Interesting video and I would just like to offer one observation concerning high draw and its use in field archery.
In some organisations a high is not allowed due to the potential risk of an accidental release seeing an arrow flight being dangerous. If you are drawing onto a target on a downward or uphill slope and use a high draw you could accidentally release an arrow that would fly considerable distance. Also factor in trees, branches etc., they could deflect off.
This is why and please forgives me I am quoting a rule as it explains it better than I can “Bows must not be drawn in a manner where an accidental release could be dangerous. A bow must never initially be drawn above a line parallel to the target”
For this reason I never coach a high draw technique to archers. You can obtain correct back tension if you practise and have a correct technique. Once again thank you
Second this. Draw flat and straight and use back tension. The high draw is an issue due to safety and also the way the shoulder rotates down and back. My physiotherapist and doctor ( including my ortho surgeon who just yesterday repaired my shoulder) made it abundantly clear that the human shoulder isnt meant to take that weight above shoulder height our arms are built to take the majority of strain below our shoulders which is why they recommend a flat draw. A little high is okay but the korean or japanese method is very high and that grinds the shoulder around under tension. Alot of that will lead you into a acromioplasty. Mostly I see high draws used to draw bows to heavy for the archer.
Another excellent, yet simple explanation of a technique that needs attention in the draw cycle. As a retired secondary teacher your students are very lucky to have you as their teacher. Take good care and shoot straight.
Thank you for this video. Your explanation of the "good shot process" at 2:15 and why to begin higher is what I was looking for as I continue learning and am trying to get consistent back tension.
I was taught the low draw in high school. The reasoning was safety, we were told to keep the arrow pointed to the ground until we were ready to shoot. Since we were shooting in a field and not a range it made sense.
I liked the video, thanks for the descriptions. I am a small animal bow hunter, I find the low draw the most handy. When you are snap shooting at a small target, (Rabbit or squirrel) the fewer moves you make and smoother the motion the more you will hit the target.
So youre saying no matter where you start from, all archers pull the arrow and string back before they shoot? THATS CRAZY TALK! Fanttastic video as always.
Low draw relies mainly with front muscles (deltoid) while a mid to high draw works with rear (trapezius) and front muscles to complete the draw. The fatigue with only low draw over works the deltoid and causes injury since these 2 muscles are weaker compared to other muscles.
when you do a low draw it isn't the deltoid that gets fatigued and injured, it's actually the muscles in/around the rotator cuff
If a low draw is done properly it does not overwork the deltoids.
This was really helpful, thanks!
Fascinating! Never knew there was so much to consider with draw height.
Dude that bow is very cool ._.
Full Red yeah the samick sage is pretty easy on the eyes
Would instabuy if the grip was more like that of the polaris
Gewsikins dude, it's Fred Bear Takedown not Samick Sage
It's Grizzly Jim's old Bear Takedown. I don't know who Grizzly Jim is, but I've seen the video where NUSensei talks about buying the bow from him.
I believe John Rambo uses it in his new movie 😂
I think that's like a $1000 bow!
you r my favorite person to inform me about bows thank u
this is really good info for a beginner like me, thanks :D
I started developing a low draw shooting stance since last summer, because I developed a weird injury in my right shoulder that my family doctor called the "tennis shoulder injuries". I had to stop shooting for almost two months. Every time I stretched the string of my bow to full draw, even people around me could hear a "crack" coming from my right shoulder. At first it did not hurt and I did not take this cracking seriously, but after two days I began to experience intense pain. I had the chance to meet my doctor during the same week who prescribed pain relievers and forced rest. :-(
Nu has the better idea not surprised
My first thought was "YOU KNOW JOE?" I forgot he's got archery vids. and is radio personality. He's a good guy.
Usually its using different muscles that they are pulling with which for some people high or low is where they are stronger vs straight back.
I love your videos they are so informative and entertaining thank you please keep up the great work
I would only do a high draw on a field of battle where only enemies are down range and an accidental discharge would not hit innocent bystanders. I prefer center draw or low draw for safety purposes. The muscles can be built up and with proper draw weight, it should not hinder you any doing low or center draw. As with a gun, a single arrow can kill and accidental discharges with archery can occur much easier than with firearms. If using a release, I have seen people's releases have an unexpected mechanical failure. Also, D-loops can fail. If using fingers, they can have a spasm or just plain slip.
Not sure if Nuesensei will see this because it's an old video. But this fixed my problem! I was drawing my 50lb bow fine, but my lead shoulder was "collapsing" and shrugging which I didn't notice prevented me from getting a full draw. Then I try to focus on un-shrugging my lead shoulder but I couldn't get proper back tension because I was drawing low. I tried drawing high and it felt like I shaved 15lbs off my draw.
I never thought about this but I have naturally always drawn from down low. Now I get to watch and see if Im doing this all wrong.
low starting draw - focus effort on shoulders, higher start point of draw focus on back muscles, no problem. sometimes - real forces from right to left - means left hand keeping bow.
I do a sort of blend of the two low draws. I have the bow aimed down range instead of downwards, but at about chest high, close to my body with bent bow arm and start the draw there, essentially asymmetrically cable rowing the bow up to my anchor point. It is a lot of extra motion and I occasionally lower my chin to watch the arrow on the rest, but, with my long arms, I feel like it stacks my back better. Then again, when I do back for powerlifting it generally involves moving a weight upwards, so that's likely just how my muscle memory recognizes back tension best, lol
Oh, but your high draw reasoning reminded me of a pullup variation I used to do, but oddly forgot about since having started archery... the "archer pullup"
Very intelligent presentation.
Hunters use a low draw alot. Keeps your movement to a minimum.
I typically use the high draw because its so efficient, but when hunting season comes close, I'll practice a few low draws from various sitting/standing positions every practice session.
I was going to say the same thing. I low draw out of my hunting habits. I am fairly sure I am at 1/2 draw before my bow is on target. (Trad bow, not compound)
I also have some fairly decently strong arms ( fairly strong in general), so I can get away with it.
I'm drooling over that Bear Takedown.
you and me both :-)
I think we need a full review, don't you?
G'day NU, Good video! Please answer me this... what's with the Tribble living on your bow string? Cheers, BH.
Those are string silencers. They dissipate the vibration in the string and help reduce noise.
@@NUSensei thanks for that! Cheers, BH
Very good! Thank you.
I get it now! Makes so much sense!
Thanx, this helped me a lot!
I like to push/pull in a straight line.
What kind of bow is that? and also what is the pull weight? Thanks
Hi Nu, you have some good advice but you always leave longbows alone. I love longbows. Have you ever tried one.?????
great video as usual mate :-)
Why are fletching two different colors? I know you put the odd one on the outside but why does it matter?
The purpose is to improve arrow clearance. With the fletchings the wrong way, there is excessive contact with the riser, which affects accuracy.
I agree down draw fatigue your muscles quickly
I thought your comment on how back tension was transferred with the high draw was interesting... I hadn't considered how back tension was affected by each style. I prefer the high draw, it just feels natural to me... I wonder if the back tension is one of the reasons it feels that way to me.
What about Kyudo-style draw, which is what I would call a high draw?
I for some reason actually use the low draw. Probably because I already have the bow low from when I put the arrow in place, and then just start from there. Though I think I draw the bow a bit later than what you showed in the video.
I can without any realy problem do it like this for close to two hours without getting very fatigued, and I'm not a strong person. At least not anymore.
Should I try to learn the high draw instead? Seems like it allround a better way to draw.
I advise that you try it out. Simply, it's a more economical motion that follows the line of the shot. It's easier to stretch out and expand through the shot if you start in line with, or slightly above, the centreline. This is because of the way the scapula rotates and loads the weight onto the rhomboids in the back. Basically, this means that you should be able to maintain back tension much easier if you don't use a low draw.
People can still achieve the same level of tension and transfer from a low draw, but it's often much harder to get a high level of consistency and muscle engagement.
Ok, I'll do that then! Thanks for the answer Sensei :)
You made a video 3 years ago about high draws being illegal because they're dangerous. So what's the deal? Are the Olympics exempt from this? Why is it taught at all? I understand it's biomechanically more efficient, but it still seems dangerous to have your arrow tilted up above your target line when you start drawing, particularly for non world class archers
The high draw isn't taught. Remember that Olympians are shooting at 70m, so they are already angled significantly up, so it may look like a high draw.
NUSensei Thanks. I've been enjoying your channel and it has rekindled my interest in archery. Keep up the good work
@NUSensei what glove do you use?
I see that you have those fur-like things on the string to quiet it down a bit.
Hello please i want drawing this Hand into the paper do you have plan
NuSensi, what Is your opinion on this bow? Upgrading from my Samick Sage soon and had considered this bow
This is a Super Grizzly isn’t it?
It's a Bear Takedown, and it is amazing.
Thanks man. Have you ever used a BEARPAW BLACK KIOWA? Trying to decide between the two. I really appreciate what you do. I am a self taught archer but consider you my teacher!
i see a lot of low draw people pull to their chest and it looks weird
what are those fluffballs on the string for?
String silencer. Absorbs vibrations from the string to make the bow more quiet.
ahh, seems logical now that i think about it, thanks for enlightening my memory. i do have to say, i seriously did not expect an answer so quickly.
Hamster trophies ;)
Have you ever shot a Japanese traditional bow and where can you get one of those from
Whereabouts are you from? Heres a link for a UK supplier: thearcheryshop.co.uk/world-bows/964-japart-kyudo-yumi-japanese-traditional-bow-87.html
Rob Smith oh thanks very much and I am from the uk myself so this link is ideal much appreciated
Yey, we have the same bow, Bear Takedown :)
What model? It's beautiful
I do something more like jeff Kavanaugh. I like to draw as I'm bringing the bow up.
Please for make Indonesian subtitle
can you make a tutorial how to anchor
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NUSensei thank you very much XD I need it for my archery competition tomorrow
KamalTheNerdGaming / KamalTNG What kind of archery competition are you entering? learning how to anchor -which is very basic- on just one day before the competition is actually pretty messed up dude
Patrick Emanuel i actually already know.the basic about achor...i request for some video to see how many achor position ...that all...
KamalTheNerdGaming / KamalTNG I see. Good to see there are people who still wants to learn more and more about their stuff haha :D Good luck on the competition bro
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You push with the tricep not pull
StodOne Technically speaking, muscles cannot push. That would require them to be able to forcefully lengthen themselves. Instead, they can only pull through contraction.
for me i prefer the high draw, its easy for me to achieve. but there is sometimes i do the mid draw
Bro im self taught and I kant my bow and start my draw low at me hips then come to full draw at the center line and anchor you recon I'd be getting proper back tension? if not any ideas on how? its just im so used to this style
The better questions to ask are: Can you feel it? Do you feel good feedback through your shoulder line after the shot? Does your release come out nice and clean? A bad release is often a sign of poor back tension - the alignment is off, the hand tries harder to correct it and the fingers pluck the string. If you can hit what you're aiming at with your style, then it's a good style. If there are some flaws that you've noticed, you may want to re-examine certain parts of your shot process and experiment.
yeah man when I get that clean release the whole shots like butter but I know when I pluck it it was a poor shot and I notice its off even before I release the arrow so yeah cheers brother thats conformed a few things for me. fuck man
the Internet is mad Im out in the bush so you've helped out heaps I appreciate what ya doing keep up the work mate peace!
Well, pls dont call poordraw or crapdraw or whateverbaddraw as skydraw... skydraw is the same as highdraw, and its there to use both bow and stringhand to take part in pulling the string. Try it at home, its safe :) Raise both your hands to the sky. Wait what? Yes, your bow and string hand can touch each others. As you move your hands down to the position you hold the bow when shooting, there is a minimum distance between them, you can never touch one with the other. This is the natural pull skydraw adds to the process. This means you have to use your muscles a lot less. You do use the same force but do a lot less work. Ideally you should start skydraw in an angle where your bow and stringhand are in the same distance as the bowhandle from the string at the nock and can hold the bow without releasing your back muscles. In this case both arms moves only vertically unlike in middle draw where your stringarm moves horizontally and your bowhand does not move.
Skydraw is generally accepted as having the arrow pointed up in to the sky. What you describe is a higher than normal variant of the high draw.
Nice video as usual. But I do think there are some additional considerations. You concentrated mostly on the bow arm as being high, medium or low while drawing. I have always thought the draw arm was more important. Many Olympic archers, including most of the Koreans, draw by pulling their arms low across their chests and then raising the hand several inches to reach anchor. The bow is often pointing up, but the draw is low. I think the archer who does this in the most pronounced manner is Valladont. ruclips.net/video/M2z3rOr70bU/видео.html
You can see in the video that Brady Ellison uses more of a high draw. Ku Bon Chan, 2016's Olympic Gold medalist also uses a similar, high draw method.
Actually, Valladont seems to do a combination draw movement. First he does a high draw to about 90% draw, then he transitions to a low draw for the final back muscle contraction to 100% draw, then he lastly settles in (up) to his anchor point.
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Ok this makes a lot of sense now. I always start low. This has to be because my arrow is pointed down into the ground until Im ready to shoot. Coming from a firearms shooting background you always start with the barrel pointed down. A habit Ill have to break in archery.