Best Bridge for Les Paul Guitars Roller Bridges or Original - Tune O'Matic Roller?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Is Scott Grove Crazy or right or both? What really is the best Bridge?
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Wow! You have absolutely amazing sensory perception if you can feel a weight difference of less than an ounce! I am impressed!
That's what I was thinking lmao
I agree with you 100% !
If a bit over a half an ounce difference in weight is an issue for an item measured in pounds, you may be a weakling? Balance also would not be thrown out of whack by the small differences.
relax guys, guitars are meant to be scratched by you, that's how you make it your own and leave your footprint on it
I think the people who complain about the scratch that never happened here don't actually play. They must just own wall hangers? Thanks for the support.
Yep next vid is how to relic your plank.
Guitars are not meant to be scratched, they are meant to be used. Wear is part of it, but that's not the same as one not taking care of it. I have a Soloist I had custom built back in 1999 and there's no scratches on the body or headstock. I cannot get that paint job redone and I'm not interested in ruining it, so I'm careful. It has been gigged a lot, it has been used properly, the electronics have been changed several times due to wear and moisture, sweat and what not. But I have the back taped up and I'm taking care of it.
My "workhorse" Les Paul has had its headstock repaired three times and it's pretty dinged up. I try to be careful, but I put it down when I have to do something, grab something etc. while playing. Scratches are part of a workhorse guitars life, but you don't have to be a pig with your guitar. Mine may be scratched and dinged up, but I don't drop a bridge on it, place it on tools when I work on it, or do other stupid things just so that it can look "extra worn" and "kool". Road rash is cool enough, but scratches due to complete carelessness is not.
First thing I do when I get home with a new guitar is ding it intentionally.
if you can't intonate the G , simply turn the individual saddle around.
i enjoyed the information in the video, it was just a bit long. not trying to discourage, just constructive critisism.
the magic marker tip is a great idea. well done
Thanks for the input I decided not to make a bunch of videos . Just trying to save some people a little money. I like constructive criticism. All guitar players can always take advice. sorry took me so long to reply :)
You have to love all the comments about scratching the guitar with the old bridge... when people pay 1000's to custom shops to "age" their guitars... I say Thanks for the video !
Not me. I like flawless paint!
on the abr 1 bridge, you can get more distance by turning the saddle 180 degrees. Also, intonation depends on the strings you use. all a factory can do is intonate to a standard which is close.
What l do is remove a screw or two until my leg stops hurting. Also you can attach sandbags to the headstock to stop the neck flying up. I find this method far more mobile than strapping the guitar down with cable ties as most venues these days do not provide adequate anchor points on stage. Another tip, forget those octave bends, they will break your strings every time, even with top wrapping.
Your funny man Ha Ha.
It is my understanding that if you remove the saddle for the g string on the original bridge, reverse it, and reinstall it you should get the necessary extra distance to set proper intonation.
I have seen people do that too I have seen them file down the bridge right at that G string. Whatever works for U do it.
For anyone that watches this, to get intonation on the G string just unscrew the adjuster screw untill the block falls of and turn the block around.
Some nucklehead said the bridge won't effect harmonics? Wrong, wrong, wrong. Bridge is a part that does have a definite effect on tone. More than the nut as it affects fretted and open strings where the nut only affects open strings. And I checked out Scott Grove awhile ago and he has some goofy ideas. And he really lost me when he jumped on the wood doesn't affect the tone bandwagon. Anyone who has ever worked on guitars knows that anything that effects how the string vibrates effects tone. If vibration transfers thru bridge to body then certain vibrations transfer back on to the string. The wood changes those vibrations. The electric guitar is more than just electro-mechanical tone, it's a very complex combination of all it's parts.
The Roller Bridges actually help the strings last longer because they'll turn the wheels when you tune them to pitch.
I think you can flip it over and it'll work. Although the string saddles are slightly different sizes for the wound and unwound strings. You could disassemble the bridge and the rollers if you really want to give yourself a headache. Just get the right sized pickup. I guess. Check with Schaller and see if they have a lefty version. They're better foe bending strings do. Especially if you do big bends.
@@curtjohansen5742 They do help extend the life of the strings
And if your having a problem breaking strings something else is going on. Have this type of bridge on several guitars and never had a breakage issue. Also turn around the low E and G saddle and it moves the contact point back further and helps with intonation.
Thanks but I am happy with it now
9:53 So your only complaint about the "Wilkerson" is that it's too heavy?
Just like I said in the video the Wilkinson was great but it's really really really hard to get intonation right and weighs quite a bit. But I already have a heavy Les Paul not looking at any weight to it. If not for that I would have kept the Wilkinson on there forever. That said that tune omatic is still on there after all this time and still plays like a dream
@@lovewhatuplayplaywhatulove5265 How much weight could a bridge add to a guitar? 1 ounce? lol
@@phillysfinestradio2863 Unfortunately the Wilkenson is a zinc bridge. It's pretty clunky. It does not add a lot and I'm surprised to hear him talk about the balance.
At any rate, get the ABR roller and Faber railpiece. The ABR is all brass with brass studs - just like in the 50's and on to the early 70's, The Faber tailpiece is aluminum with brass screws, just like it was back in the 50's and on to the early 70's. Don't muck about with steel or zinc alloy hardware. Nothing kills your harmonics, sustain and tone like steel and zinc. Want to do it one better? Get the sock nut off it and replace it with a brass nut.
I could never understand putting a roller bridge on les paul, unless it has a trem I have no use for one, I've recently found insert adapter thumb wheels and post, that turn a large post bridge into a small post bridge,and I'm using a gotoh Tom bridge,the smaller bridge and post has more sustain, then the same roller bridge you have there,as long as your bridge post are set right, and you can intonate an Abr small post bridge, you will be amazed at the sustain you can get,the larger roller bridge sucks up the sustain your trying to transfer thru the body,and have it come back up thru the strings, I also wrap a small piece on shielding tape on bottom of the post just to tighten up the bridge,check out the Faber bridge adapter,I was able to just get the thumb wheel and post adapter that screws right into your existing bridge studs for $15 from Philly luthiers and just bought a gotoh Tom bridge,Farber is a little more expensive.
I replaced mine with a roller bridge. more string to saddle (metal) contact easier tuning and better tone. seems like it enhanced the mids.
Is this The Tim Price? Master guitar player?
Good video thank you. Just wanted to point out that you cant really supply a pre-intonated bridge, as intonation is different for every guitar and factors like neck relief and string gauge change the intonation, not just string length. Alter any one of those things and you need to re-intonate. I was interested to hear your observations about loss of harmonics, thanks.
Too heavy WTF. couple of extra grams on a mega ton Les Paul? LOL
I'm happy with Wilkinson bridges on Gibsons...but they are also fitted with Bigsbys so the weight factor is not a problem. Note the roller 'Tunematic' has a problem in so much as the rollers are just pressed in and tend to fall out.
Thanks for the video, it helped to explain that one type of roller bridge is easier to change the intonation with. I was trying to figure out which one to buy and your video helped me!
What is the deal with slamming the uninstalled bridge you are discussing onto the body and scratching it?
Slamming?
He wasn't really dropping it too hard , but it doesn't take much . I guess he was just Ageing it or just don't give a crap!
He don’t care at all ‘bout his geetar!
@RJ White It's an Epiphone.
@@paulterl4563 Not saying much considering the crap that leaves the Gibson factory these days.
A Gibson bridge has removable string saddles. If the G string saddle won't go back far enough, take it out of the bridge, unscrew it from the adjustment screw, turn the saddle around, reinsert the screw and put the saddle back on the bridge. Next thing is to use a round jewelers file (the very thin end) and then slightly round the saddle slots, then take some 600 grit sand paper and fold it around the sharp side of a kitchen table knife and sand the slot. No more breaking strings at the bridge saddles
Hello...what is the actual part number for the Tune O'Matic Roller bridge.
Schaller roller bridges are superior to the Wilkinson because the rollers are at a slight angle to make up for the bridge being at a slight angle. The Wikinson and all the others I've seen don't take into account the bridge sitting at a slight angle for intonation purposes. So you end up with the string sitting ar an angle on theb roller because the rollers are straight but on posts that are at an angle. It's kinda hard to explain but look up a Schaller and they show you with a drawing. .
I think I would buy tbe Schaller. Having the rollers better aligned with the strings seems sensible. Sadly though, the Schaller is useless for me because I'm left handed so the angle goes the wrong way.
I appreciate the heads up on popping pins!
You dont get the "Bell Tone" because you missed the Harmonic tuning on the Bridge your saddles are way off"..go back and reset your tuning, $5.00 it rings like a "Bell"
I was fitting one of these tune-o-matic roller bridges this weekend and found that it left my string height way higher than the standard tune-o-matic bridge even with it adjusted right down to the body and I was thinking the Wilkinson style roller bridge would sit much lower. Do you agree and did you find the same result?
The wilkerson is pretty thick. I didn't really have that problem with any of them. The nut on my guitar is a bone nut and I set it pretty low so the action on my guitar is low up and down the neck.. Have U checked your Truss Rod Jay Tee? Look down the neck and see if it's just high in one place. If it is. U probably need to have it set up or if U know how to do it yourself adjust the truss rod.
cut and file the bridge where the bridge sits on the adjusting screws. .this will lower it more
The weight difference between those two bridges is less than a half ounce, I'm not really worried about that. That said- the whole point is to get something that intonates better and is easier to adjust when you have to- if that isn't the case, I don't really see the point. As far as breaking strings- I've never noticed my Epiphone breaking strings any more often than any of my other guitars. That's a problem I don't think really exists- I've never heard anyone complaining about their Les Paul breaking strings either. I've been paying for over 35 years- played for a living at one time- I think I would have heard about it at least- if it were a thing. That said- the T-O-M does suck to adjust- I hate it man, why would anyone put the damn adjustment screws under the strings? I mean once you have a two-piece bridge like a Les Paul you kind of have to but- Fender is so much easier man. I should convert my Les Pul to a string through body huh?
Thanks for this video exactly what I was looking for!
So which roller TOM should I buy for a guitar with a Les trem II to help it stay in tune, avoid rattling the saddles and the bridge in its posts but keeping the harmonics? Should I go with Gotoh, Schaller, Tone Pros? Or just chinese roller TOM - the second one in the clip.
Did you ever find a solution for this??
Why a roller bridge if you don't have a bigsby?
Try the Schaller Roller bridge, you can adjust string spacing too.
I've never even seen those string before.. how do you like them compared to the other erbie ball models? Do you use those only on the les paul?
How are the rollers/pins attached? I have one of these bridges & when I bend the high E string, the roller moves laterally & makes a clicking sound. I’d like to swap that roller with another one. I’m guessing I can just kind of pry it out??
Replace the high E with the G roller but use the same pins for each string. I hear that is a good solution.
@@KaptainCanuck I did just that (or something very similar): ruclips.net/video/V90FGfu3_LM/видео.html 😊
Which better tonepros T3BT or original gibson tune o matic ?
I love the wilkinson type. Actually I believe they buy them from China and resell them. The chinese ones for 8 to 10.00 bucks are the same other then the screws for the saddles. The chinese one uses allen wrenches to tighten saddles. (don't over torq them...just snug) The other great thing about the Wilkinson type is that you can shim individual saddles. I just did it on a LP copy. My thin E string was tinging a little....I've used paper and tin foil (just did it with tin foil). I raised the single saddle about .003. Most of the other bridges don't have that capability. You have to raise the post which raises more then one string.
This is the bridge to use if your guitar has intonation problems....if the bridge post's were installed a little to far forward or back. It has a little extra adjustment. You can also lock the bridge to the posts with set screw. A nice feature. This is the only chinese bridge I will use.....the rest of the Les Paul copies are junk.
He is right about the harmonics....you will lose a little because of the rollers....if you don't use clean harmonics then it's fine...distorted harmonics should be fine. The advantage is tuning stability. And none of the stupid spring noise the standard les paul bridges can have. This bridge has nothing to vibrate like the LP ones....none of the stupid intonation problems with the LP bridges also....especially with the chinese copy les paul guitars. It's a cheap correction for a cheap guitar. Be sure to buy the correct posts. You can always get 8mm ones from the chinese sites if you need them for 2.00 or so.....the top part of post is 4mm like the standard LP/epiphone,
What is the part number for the Tune O'Matic Roller (All Parts) that is on your guitar now?
Sorry it took me so long to get back to U. I just got the notification tonight . On Back of package it says GB 0596-010 Roller Tunematic Chr. Large Mounting Holes Hope that helps. Still sounding good and staying in tune. Merry Christmas
If you want the best of both worlds, go vintage. Lighter, all the harmonics, the sustain and the looks.
Get the brass ABR roller bridge, and get the Faber alu stop tailpiece.
Back in the 50's and 60's, LP's had alu tailpieces and brass bridges. Now they use heavy stainless tails and bridges that kills all sound. If you use the ABR bridge you have a full brass connection from the roller to the bridge to the posts.
If you don’t have a Tremolo, you don’t need the roller Bridge
Sir how about the hole from the bridge it is fit no need to drill?
Try a pair of GHS boomer strings the lights 9 to 42. You should be able to get all the pinch harmonics you want and they don’t break.😮😊
I bought the same type "big" rollerbridge to my tremolo pimped Epi LP and it actually does kill overtones. Miss the original sound and Im gonna have to get another bridge. Besides that, it took ten minutes to properly do the intonation. Was actually easier than with the original TOM bridge. I got a Duesenberg tremolo and that phat rollerbridge mounted, cant feel no balance diff on my Epi LP standard.
I have a Les Trem myself and plan to change TOM bridge but I don't want to loose overtones. Did you buy any other bridge to compensate overtones? Maybe Schaller or something higher end?
A well set up ABR1 or Nashville shouldn't break strings. I noticed the string grooves in your saddles are way too deep to start with. Saddles should never be file notched. It's better to use a hammer and smack a shallow notch into the saddles with a set of old strings. Those Epi bridges are junk as well so not a lot you can do with the, aside from installing actual brass saddles.
Watching you slide that bridge around on your guitar made my asshole pucker! Respect your axe bro!
None wire Abr 1 bridge is the best for looks and tone perhaps
where did you get that tune-o-matic roller bridge?
Forget it. Get the ABR roller instead. Better quality and all brass.
Intonated right of the package right lol
I changed out my LP TOM bridge simply because it didn't sound good. Went with a roller bridge and would never go back again. Strings last much longer and bends are a lot easier. And most importantly the sustain is better. Had nothing to do with Scott Grove, it was just simple common sense physics and geometry.
That crappy spring/wire design you mention is there just to stop bits falling out on the kitchen floor.very prone to rattles and buzz.could deffo be designed better.good vid.
Great idea with the magic marker.
Your right considering if your trying get a Billy Gibbons type harmonic's.One quick suggestion is I found That the E. Ball Paradigm strings are the best going-forget that they are guaranteed for life not to break but I got a set on My Gibson SG and they been on there for 8 months and they sound as good as they day I put them on-no bullshit n I play that guitar everyday .I know people like short video's but yours was worth watching...
Hi😊
What gauge do you use in your sg?
Takes a matter of minutes to flip around the G saddle in a ABR bridge to achieve intonation🤷♂️
Flip the saddle of the G string around. Now you have more travel room.
Make a video play it and tuning it to see how sound
Recorded it on a phone U would not be able to tell the difference. Plus I got it the way I like it now. No way I am changing all that back lol. Thanks for the comment
i highly doubt it will change the guitars tone at all
Hydronated fingerboard- that's what I'm talkin' about.
Thank you!
Its heavy LOL how many Lbs is it ?
How much does it weigh? 1,2,5 lbs?
Vince Marianbores 3 oz.
@@ryotaryuu, for some, 3 oz = 6+ pounds depending on how many feathers they bench each day.
OK... I enjoyed the video...you seem like a cool guy. My question is... why would you want a Roller Bridge on a guitar that has a Stop Tailpiece and no Vibrato...which is what the they're designed for. Maybe I missed the explanation... dunno.
That finger nail dude! 😳
I had watched the whole video, looking away while I was doing other things at the same time. I saw your comment and had to go back to watch the whole video again to see if there was a nail I had missed. It took a while for me, not sure if it shows up earlier somewhere but definitely @7:33 you can see it for sure. Damn!
coke nail
Roller bridges on non trem guitars is not only impractical, it's losing sustain, you're going to have the same problems, the rollers are round, there's no break point of the string the string actually is vibrating against that radius of the roller... if the wire rattles on the ABR, ya get a new one or give it a bend at the corners so it won't... EVERY Gibson owner should know all this instead of wasting money on junk.
I've been playing Gibsons for decades...never broke a string never went out of intonation, if you're breaking strings there, those saddle grooves are too sharp.
You turn the saddle round if not enough movement to intonate
U talking about the original Bridge? I never liked it anyway.Still happy with the roller. Thanks !
Know how not to scratch your finish there sir...
lol using an Allen wrench on the bridge studs won't effect intonation... do you even play guitar?
Also! intonation screws always go in front not the back towards the tail, that makes it easier to adjust.. again you need to be watching the "how to" videos not us
How fkn heavy can it be? Is it made out super heavy lead that weighs 3 pounds
Lmao..i was thinking the same, holy mackerel, bet he can tell if there's a pea under his mattress.
It's YT that's all I can say
The poor guitar finish! 😳😳😳
Huuuuhhhhh this whole video is a joke right??? Intonation is MEANT to be adjusted....you absolutely cannot feel that weight of the Wilkinson lmao ...also roller bridges ate meant for guitars with trems . No point whatsoever is a solid tailpiece guitar .. this is all just goofy nonsense honestly
Being "meant" for tremolo-equipped guitars does not meant there won't be some effect on non-equipped. Proven fact: strings break less easily do the lack of sharp angle and rubbing on the saddles, especially if steel strings are used on brass.
String breakage cam be reduced by CAREFUL use of a small file to take off any small ridges in the saddle string slot. You're not looking to make the slot deeper - just to make it smooth so there's a better contact area for the string. String breakage goes right down.
Nice video of the bridge comparability for the guitar, I have a Agile AG3010 model guitar, going to pick up a roller bridge for mine, I think StewMac has one that will work out for me. Keep the videos coming 😎
U can't go wrong with StewMac they make quality stuff. Thank You!
you should play the Gibson youtube video
Not Sure How I Found Your Video Unless It Is Because I Was Searching For Bridges And the Ad 's Found Me. Great Video And Timely For Me Personally. The Reason I bought One Gibson Was Shoulder/Arm/Neck Problem And The Gibson Les Paul I Bought Is Semi Hollow Lightweight And Sounds Great. I Think The Previous Owner Sold It Because One Of The Wheels On The Tunamatic Would Not Turn Like It Was Stripped. I pulled Up And Pulled The Whole Grommet Out Of The Wood. It Is Missing One Of The Saddle Retainer Clips. I used a Cut Piece Of Strat Pickup Grommets and That Works. So Your Video Pointing Out The Weight Saved Me In Looking For Replacements. I wanted The Same Weight And Actually Was Thinking About That And Aluminum Versions Of The Tuneamatic. The Bell Tone Harmonics Is Interesting As Far As The Original and What You Found. That is the Kind of Very Useful Information You Get Lucky To Find Once In A While. Thanks. You Also Got Lucky If The Screws Where Facing The Neck the(grooves in saddles setup that way). They have to be manually taken out on some of them and put the low where the high is to get the benefit of the screws facing the neck. It allows lower Intonation and not hitting the back of bridge.They Are Not All That Way. I Am Surprised About The Pre Set Intonation. I Do The Harmonic At The 12th And Use A Tuner With A Light. The Harmonic At 12th fret should Match Normal Fretting 12th Fret. Best Way Is With A Tuner And Move The Saddle Screw Until The Light Hits Perfect on The Fretted & Harmonic at The 12th Fret.. That Would Be Amazing If It Passed That Test. I Do Not Think You Mentioned The Brand Of The One You Ended Up Going With. Who Makes It If You Don't Mind?
I was filming on a phone that blurry part just last a few seconds. Hope U learn something and this saves someone some money :)
Man, have some respect for your guitar and the ppl who watches the video and loves guitar
It's just a guitar. Scratches buff out. It's not that big of a deal. Besides if it's a Gibson it's already a POS.
@@johnk9762 , just like some people's thoughts, such as yours, are like assholes: everyone has one and all spew it but some spew more shit than others.
so i could see if it was like 2 lbs heavier...but a ounce....put a roller schallar on mine and its good. get what ya pay for.
Congrats on being the first person to actually record a video with a potato haha. JK jk thanks for the info here
I like how all the babies got triggered, good work. I saw Yngwie with a stack of 50 strats and other guitars banging them all around saying how Jeff Beck gave him this or someone gave him that as they are clanging in unison. Those were worth sniveling about but even then i enjoyed it. Hell this is a working Epiphone quit your crying soyboys.
Surely that thing don’t say Gibson on the headstock. 🥴
@@Fallensneeze , well, we can tell the instrument is not Gibson-made in any way, shape, or form.
So is the new bridge like 10 pounds? LOL
Ya really, it made it so heavy that I had to get back surgery!
Let's bounce some metal bridges off of a flame top. Bam slam pow!! Omg wtf?
Come see me I'll bounce something off your dull cap. LOL Troll go back under your own bridge
The instrument is a clone anyway. Probably $200 Canadian new
Without using a scale to show to weight difference...your only speculating. If you can feel the weight of a gram or two then you are a very sensitive human. Unscientific test are easily spotted as just BSing. I am shopping for an upgrade to my original TOM. That is how your video came up on RUclips search. I am now interested and must research more on the "harmonics issue" you claim to hear, yet, we have nothing but your opinion. No sound test or comparisons. Not helpful for us looking to upgrade.
I was not trying to say what is best for you and I don't have a scale here. I was just changing them out and thought I would film it to show what my experience had been with the 3 of them. Trust me that Wilkerson is much heavier than the other 2.If I changed my strap holders I could make it more balanced too. I say clearly at the end of the video that people will have to try this themselves. At the end of the day it's what U like on your guitar.. Thanks for watching Happy Holidays
Thanks for the advice but I think you would complement your video by keeping your disparaging views on other you tubers to yourself this is what is ruining you tube.
Not sure I understand what you are asking me? I am just now getting a chance to look at comments. Had a death in family and other distractions had no idea that more than 20 people had seen this.. Thanks for watching
I finally figured out what U were saying. You are right sir. I was just kidding around about Scott Grove I happen to respect him very much . No harm intended at all..
too heavy just like the beer bottle.
Sounds like a chain smoker lol
I was for many years. I quit a little over a year ago 01-17-2018. Thanks for your concerns Dr Kranium
@@lovewhatuplayplaywhatulove5265 hey man, me too, and it only took me 42 years to quit! Congrats!
@@BoomerCovers 44 years for me. Live long and Rock Bill
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Pre intonated? lol.
I am telling U it came shrinkwrapped and I still have not touched a screw. It's just a measurement after all if your guitar is right no reason why it should work like that.
I installed that roller bridge tune o matic on my explorer.. yes its intonated.. i checked it after i installed it..
Buy a fucking camera
A tripod or some kind of stand, at least.
holy shit get to the point please.
I wasn't trying to make a point man. LOL But Thanks for pointing out that I never got to the point :) Thanks for watching Happy Holidays
Lame
Wilkinson seems to look mor sturdy and the added weight should work for SG-s since they’re neck heavy. I’ve ordered one, we’ll see how it goes. Thanks for the great informative video!
Thanks for watching! Hope it works out for you. Love SC guitars!
How did it go? I have an SG and I am looking to get a rollerbridge
@@timi_t_codes It was working ok, but it changed the tone a little bit and my 82’ one has a unique bridge from that era with brass saddles and is sounds awesome, so I left it .
@@vladimirerfan7721 Awesome, thanks for the info
Are those brass rollers 👶🎤🙏
Wilkinson seems to look mor sturdy and the added weight should work for SG-s since they’re neck heavy. I’ve ordered one, we’ll see how it goes. Thanks for the great informative video!
Unfortunately the Zinc bridge and steel studs kill all chance of a tone coming from the guitar.
How did it work?