sports is inherently discriminatory based on birth as if basketball is not a sport of tall ppl and there are no weight classes in men, the women's sports is fake and made for affirmative action, the real classification should be based on weight and height
Interesting the Dems use the argument of "It is only a tiny number of women who are affected by trans in sports", and then in the same conversation tell us that trans rights are super important, despite them being only a tiny number. You can't have it both ways. Why does a tiny number of men in woman costumes matter more than the supposedly tiny number of actual women that are affected?
While I'm fairly conservative on this topic, I'm a chronic overthinker and i had to think to myself "if the number of people that exist determines whether or not they have rights, that's kind of a slippery slope legally and morally" so i guess I don't like the argument. Science is the only argument really needed honestly.
@@gabrielleseals-cook9511 its not even a right though.... ppl do not have the right to play on w/e sports team they'd like. no matter how much i scream and cry, i will never be able to play on a women's high school volleyball team and i'll never be on the dallas cowboys :(. where are my rights?!
There is always a denial first. When you show evidence of harm, there's some type of rationalization. John Oliver, doesn't suffer any consequences, so his "outside looking in" perspective is probably very convincing to Liberal leaning people who are far removed from the issue.
The more they promote the *super* "woke" things, the more conservatives will gain power. Many on the left STILL don't understand it. Many of the things on the left have validity, but they refuse to the draw the line at reason. It's why myself and so many that were originally on the left are either independent or straight up stand with republicans now.
The craziest thing is what is going on in chess. Trans are complaining about having to compete in the men’s league, but chess does not have a men’s league. The leagues are women's and open. The smaller tournaments have everyone competing together. After the best player trophies are given out, a second, the best woman trophy is given out. Trans are complaining they don’t qualify for the second trophy.
@@theBear89451Athletic sports like track and field should be divided by gender, but mental sports like chess or poker should not be divided by gender. There is no mental advantage between men and women in chess.
Yeah, that is a point not brought up enough. When it comes to men, society tends to put men on the back burner. That in of itself is another discussion but that said, there is a chance there are far less examples of that. Not that fewer number of examples don't matter any less than greater number examples but that could be a second reason why it isn't getting as much attention. Us men tend to take longer to speak up and even to my dismay never even discuss it. I'd even go so far as to say, some men don't even think to argue for men.
What about trans girls that take puberty blockers? Their testosterone is suppressed. Natal girls in athletics experience higher testosterone levels - some into the male range. What about the hundreds of little girls that just want to play soccer or baseball with their friends and stand 0 chance of being a star?
Why do you care about sports either way? Many of the republicans who are obsessed with this topic will openly admit they don't care about poor people or disabled people dying. If you don't even care about people's financial wellbeing, then why do you suddenly care about something sports related?
@@inkrahek3802 1. I'm not a Republican. I'm a Liberal because I am a feminist, ergo 2. I care about women and girls' rights to privacy, safety, fairness and accomplishment in any context. 3. Why don't you care about the rights of women and girls?
When the cost of tuition has skyrocketed. Adults no longer see youth sports as a way for their kid to make friends, stay healthy, and be a part of a team. Today's parents see youth sports as an "investment" in paying for college. If someone is perceived to stand in their way, concerns will be raised.
Why do you care about sports either way? Many of the republicans who are obsessed with this topic will openly admit they don't care about poor people or disabled people dying. If you don't even care about people's financial wellbeing, then why do you suddenly care about something sports related?
Listen, I was a middle school Football Coach for 2 years. In our second season, we had 2 or 3 girls come out for the team. There are no rules stating they can't play so, they joined the summer workouts. Did really well. Did all the push ups, squats, and sit ups the guys did. Ran the same drills. All that. Then came the first day of hitting (practice with pads and full contact). They took one look at practice and BOTH decided it was better to be managers. Just because you CAN do a thing doesn't mean you SHOULD do a thing. All that inclusion was great for them until the reality of the sport hit them! This was middle school, 6th, 7th, and 8th graders ages 11 to 13. Even at that young age, the strength disparity between boys and girls is enormous. So even at a young age, a "Trans athlete" who "identifies" as a girl could cause serious injury to a biological girl. We're just built different! AND THAT'S SCIENCE!!!
I had two brothers; only 15 months separated our births. I never once won a physical competition against either one. They were bigger and stronger than I at every age. When I was about 8, I ran a mile with my brothers. Unknown when we started, the brother closest to my age had the flu and was running a fever of 102.3 F°. He still beat me. I was fast; I had even beaten every kid in my class at school. But I could not compete against him at his worst.
Why do you care about sports either way? Many of the republicans who are obsessed with this topic will openly admit they don't care about poor people or disabled people dying. If you don't even care about people's financial wellbeing, then why do you suddenly care about something sports related?
@@inkrahek3802 Women are getting seriously injured. And who are these people who are obsessed with this topic but don't care about the poor or disabled? Can you give examples because it's a pretty damning comment.
@inkrahek3802 People care about sports because we spend thousands of hours learning, playing, and improving at them, watching and analyzing them, primarily for enjoyment. Making girls' and women's sports unfair and dangerous goes against the human values we hold dear and the prevailing trend toward increasing fairness and safety.
@@NoOne-bp2jw Were boys included in the "every kid in (your) class" category you had beaten? Edit: I should add, after reading my comment, it could be interpreted as snippy, especially with the quotation marks. This is unintentional.
They keep wanting to frame conservatives as the ones being obsessed with this issue, but it’s not conservatives organizing drag queen story hours. Progressives will never beat the allegations lol.
I always found it funny when people used that as an argument as to why we shouldn't care, in Many ways that's one of the weakest points but it's funny seeing people thinking it's a "gotcha" of some sort.
This is the liberals latest gaslighting. Just like when they started claiming that it was Republicans who were defunding the police after that policy completely backfired on them…
@@gg1648 They're clearly gaslighting. They don't want critics to talk about it because of how unpopular and largely indefensible their positions on this matter are. Which is why you had a memo go out through these advocacy groups instructing them to not be so vocal in their advocacy and push for change more silently. This is to try and prevent raising awareness among critics and dealing with pushback before they can hope to implement pro trans policy and legislation.
It’s like when I went to collect $20 a coworker owed me. He said, “oh, c’mon, it’s just $20.” I was, like, “Yeah, it’s JUST $20. It shouldn’t be a sweat to pay back.”
The logical imperative is that if the category of women's sport exists in the first place, then how can an argument be made that there are no distinctions between the sexes.
My 8th grade boy ran cross country for the 1st time. At one meet, he was about 150th of about 200 boys. He noticed he would be in the top 30 if he ran with the girls. 😂
All the fastest women's 200m sprint times from the Olympics were set in the 70s when the Olympians were all juicing. In 2023 5 high school boys set times faster than those. It's a colossal difference between all the fastest women to ever run the 200m dash (ON STEROIDS), and high School boys can already beat those times
Same mindset as Martha Raddartz on PBS - “But only a handful of Venezuelan gangs are attacking apartments”.. Hey John, even one case is too much. All these elitists turn me the F off with their “Why are you bothered?” They are constantly in denial.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest. Also, most people don't care about Rowling's comments on sports. Most people are bothered by her making generalizations about trans people being predators. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@@inkrahek3802 Hilarious. You guys failed when you tried to pin the “defund the police” movement on the right after it backfired on you. And you are also going to fail for trying to pin this on the right.
Niall thinks there are more important things to talk about because he is not a woman in prison who just got housed with a trans woman cellmate. Or a female college student who has been told she has to room with a trans woman. He did not lose the opportunity for a scholarship or college admission to a trans woman. This is about sports, but it's also about so much more. Most of us do not have a problem if a trans woman uses a women's restroom. If fact, we probably wouldn't even notice. But when any man can claim that he is trans and use that as an excuse to enter women's restrooms and changing rooms it becomes a problem. The woman who complained after walking into a Planet Fitness bathroom and seeing a man shaving his face at the sink had every reason to feel uncomfortable. The fact that the 2 hosts of this show had to practically walk on eggshells when discussing this issue shows how much psychological bullying has been used to silence people. Voters showed that they are tired of people telling them that trans people's feelings are more important than women's feelings and that safety and fairness for women is really not that important.
Thank you. It infuriates me when people, usually rich/affluent liberal men and women, say there are more important things to focus on rather than trans ideology. The fact that Democrats want to introduce laws that make a blatant lie a truth is Orwellian and without a doubt will lead to more blatant lies being lawfared into truths. Additionally, any individual who places men’s desire to PRETEND to be women over the safety of women and children is a truly despicable human being.
Wasn't this the #1 issue people mentioned in post-voting polling that took place on Nov 5th? The heart of the matter even if it doesn't affect you personally (I would argue that it does, you just don't realize it at the moment) is that is really shows a level of intellectual dishonesty that people are becoming finally willing to call out and fight back against, and not being afraid of being called "transphobic" (whatever the heck that even means, even moreso when applied to somebody like Blair White).
This comes down to a very simple question, What is Title 9 for if not to provide females with a separate sporting category. Don't understand why this is difficult.
@@zshakur Why do you care about sports either way? Many of the republicans who are obsessed with this topic will openly admit they don't care about poor people or disabled people dying. If you don't even care about people's financial wellbeing, then why do you suddenly care about something sports related?
The craziest part about arguing in favor of trans women competing against biological women in sports is that even an 8 year old girl like my daughter knows instinctually men are bigger, stronger and faster on average. You don't need a degree to understand this. The gaslighting by people like Oliver, who I mostly like, is what has driven a wedge between people. Stop the craziness.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest. Also, most people don't care about Rowling's comments on sports. Most people are bothered by her making generalizations about trans people being predators. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
To John Oliver's argument, since there are so few cases of this happening in the country then there's no harm in just letting girls keep the rights they are already guaranteed under the Constitution and tell those few trans athletes to form their own league since only a small number of people are affected..
@@inkrahek3802 That's not a danger to men and boys, though. Male and female bodies are very different. Not everyone wants to live in your imaginary unisex utopia.
he didnt sell out. he was always in favor of crazy stuff. on top of that, almost every criticism leveled on his show is him attacking a straw man. he picks the most fringe/absurd framing he can find on an issue before he begins his comedic critique. itd be one thing if the viewers understood that it was just comedy and is a distorted representation of the issue, but they do not.
most people don't care about Rowling's comments on sports. Most people are bothered by her making generalizations about trans people being predators. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@@inkrahek3802the chess argument is a straw man if I ever heard one. There was no collective outrage about dudes playing chess with chicks, cuz one or two randos complaining on the internet is not outrage. And while I am no fan of Rowling, she never generalized trans individuals as predators. She merely pointed out that we should not allow males access to female private spaces (ie locker rooms) because all it takes for a creeper to have access to females in a vulnerable state is a willingness to put on a skirt and claim they identify as a woman. That’s essentially telling the fox he can go in the chicken coop so long as he dresses like a hen first.
@@inkrahek3802 She has never made generalizations that trans people are predators. She has just claimed that there is a difference between trans people and people who say they are trans. Just how there is a difference between black people and people who say they are black. Just saying something doesn't make it true. If so Kamala would just have to say she won the election, and she'd become president.
665 anti trans bills have been introduced in 2024, more than any other year on record. That makes this the fifth consecutive record-breaking year in the US. These bills cover many categories including EDUCATION, SPORTS, HEALTHCARE, CIVIL RIGHTS, BATHROOM, EMPLOYMENT, INCARCERATION, CHILD ABUSE, PERFORMANCE, BIRTH CERTIFICATES, MARRIAGE, MILITARY and more.
Basically, it is about the right to change the distinction between biology and psychology. Laws involving any distinction would need to be changed. This infringement of rights to women makes no difference to the "movement."
Not really. Most stand-up comedy these days (not just the top selling ones) is very political, which means said comedian needs to know their audience really well.
Loved his interview with Edward Snowden. He really isn't qualified to comment on the sports issue. The reason we have women's sports separated is because of the insurmountable physiological differences between men and women.
John Oliver is the kind of guy to argue that WNBA players deserve the same pay as the NBA players and argue for male athletes in the WNBA in the same breath while being incapable of explaining unironically why Jackie Young earns far more than Mikayla Pivec.
When they say, "it only affects a small minority of the population who are Trans women." they are missing the point. It affects literally every parent of daughters who cringe at the thought of their girls being manhandled on the sports field in the name of inclusivity.
The “it’s just a small problem” argument cuts both ways. If it’s just a small problem then the very small number of biological males who identify as female are free to compete against men.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
Notice though that to be a “reasonable” liberal, you basically have to concede that Democrats have gone off the rails. It is impossible to defend current Democrat policy without going off the rails… as John Oliver just demonstrated.
I stopped watching him in 2016 when for two months straight he kept ranting about Trump. And to think he has the audacity to berate anyone for being focused on something.
Why are all the REAL women not speaking up/out? REAL women Fought for DECADES for all the rights achieved....voting, sports, pay, jobs etc. And now we're going to just give away all those rights back to MEN. This is just heartbreaking
We are. Yelling and screaming. But we're ignored, deplatformed and labeled right wing bigots. Groups like Icons, WDI and WOLF are all talking all the time and ignored by the mainstream media.
A lot of us have been. As for those who have remained silent, maybe they fear retaliation at work. Dr. Richard T. Bosshardt has been very vocal about the treatment he received for criticizing the American College of Surgeon's DEI policy, so the same thing can happen with people who criticize anything related to gender ideology. Other people are bullied by their family and/or friends and don't want to be ostracized. I don't condone the silence but I understand that not everyone has the luxury of being able to sacrifice their job. And not everyone can stand up to this type of bullying especially from people they care about. That's why it's important for those of us who can speak up to do so.
Lots of women are. The question to ask is why isn’t traditional media covering them? The tiny mention this gets in media always, ALWAYS refers to those pushing back as anti-LGBT, right wing, conservatives, and Christians. There are loads of us who do NOT fit any of those descriptors but this is the lie they tell their viewers EVERY single time they bother to cover this topic.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
Niall provided the BEST argument that I’ve heard since I started following this issue, on why biological males should not compete against biological female athletes. The fact that we’re asked to accommodate a mutable characteristic, based on someone’s decision/desire, and if we don’t accommodate it, we’re called transphobic, is insane. The same argument applies for trans women who literally still have male body parts showing up in female spaces, and all females are supposed to accommodate them!!! It’s just mind boggling. The stats completely changes, when such cases happen. Even if it is just 1 such trans in a change room that accommodates 100 of females for example, you can’t say😅 that “oh that’s just 1% of population and we’re being mean to that 1%”, in fact in that situation that 1% has impacted the other 99% of population, by showing up with male body parts in a female change room. And the 99% are asked to shut up and accept the situation. How can that be right? How can that be fair? There is nothing fair about that picture. It’s wrong and extreme lefties are absolutely missing the point on this.
Ask Oliver at how many, at what number rght becomes wrong? at what number he will see this then as an issue? 100? 10,000? 100,000? Millions? Or is 1 already enough?
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
I really think there should be more push back in general, not just for sports. As someone who is diagnosed ASD and has many mental health issues, the best thing for me is that there wasn't trans acceptance back when I was a teenager, so when I started to struggle with gender dysphoria, it was actually seen as an indicator that I had other underlying mental health issues and I was seen by a doctor to try and address it. Nowadays we say we need to focus on mental health problems, but we make a specific carve out of GD and say it's actually healthy expression, but then wonder why the kids are all messed up.
You are correct. The estimates of how many trans or trans-identifying people have autism range from 6 to 26 percent. One UK clinic said they estimated more than 95 % of their clientele was autistic.
if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
It’s really sad to see some like Oliver who I held in the same regard as John Stewart go down by doubling down on more woke bs and shoving trans ideology down everyone’s throat.
John Oliver is annoying in the extreme. I cannot tolerate him for second. Nothing about him is funny or charismatic, he's not smart, seems arrogant, is not likeable at all.
And that my friend, is an opinion. I think the exact opposite of you and so do many many others. The good news is that you can just decide to ignore him 😊
The part where activists really tell on themselves is when you point out that males have physical advantages over females and they counter with arguing that trans women lose some of that physical advantage compared to when they were non-trans men (hormones, surgery et al). They ever so slightly move the goalposts because they need to avoid the fact that trans women still have inherent advantages over non-trans women.
if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@inkrahek3802 multiple things can be true at once. Obvious physical advantages in sports (which you have, as I pointed out already avoided admitting is demonstrably true) and that women's divisions are established to make women feel safe. Your conclusion that "guys don't think women are smart enough" is both incorrect and ideologically driven (ie: you want to believe that men think women aren't smart enough). The actual reasons why there are women's leagues are: To encourage a safe space for women who are historically a small group who were/are put off by playing against men. And second because chess is international and some countries won't allow women to play with men. Having a women's league allows all women everywhere to compete. So the reason for separating men from women is indeed for inclusion in the game. Allowing trans women into women's divisions would undermine both of those aims which is great if you want to shut a lot of women out of the game. I guess the question is: Why are you advocating for women to be pushed out of chess?
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
The current Like/Dislike ratio (92.4%L | 7.6%D) probably about accurately represents national sentiments towards this issue. Yet the 7.6% have had totalitarian power thus far; if not politically, almost certainly socially.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
@@inkrahek3802 Those are givens. You are a silly person if you assume someone doesn't care about those things. It is not just "sports" related. It is a huge cultural issue. If we are to allow men to "be" women this is a drastic change to the culture in more ways than sports, it's just more obvious currently in "sports".
John Oliver (interviewing Stephen Hawking): "You've stated that you believe that there could be an infinite number of parallel universes. Does that mean there is a universe out there where I am smarter than you?" Stephen: "Yes. And also a universe where you're funny."
John Oliver sounds completely unhinged here. His show used to be a must watch for me, but Oliver and his staff writers definitely got overwhelmed with TDS in 2016 and they have been unwatchable ever since.
It is like allowing 2 or three drivers in the F1 to have 20% more powerful engines. "It is only 2 out of 25" that's not a big margin" Yeah, but these two will invariably win the title. Why would any of the other drivers want to show up for the race?
I used to watch all of them, Stewart colbert Noah Oliver. But now, I just see them as a bunch of elitist getting paid really well to mock regular people
So there's vanishingly small numbers of trans women in sports, ergo it doesn't matter if they compete and it's weird to care about it... but also it's super important that you don't stop the vanishngly small number of people from competing and it's heartless to not care about it? Lame. Either it matters or it doesn't, and I guarantee you that more women are affected by trans athletes than there are trans athletes themselves, so if this "logic" held any water whatsoever it would have an inverted conclusion from Oliver's.
@@t.e.stroud1781 That won't happen. The IOC has a genetic report - which they won't release of course because it is private info - but the person it concerns is physically female but biologically predominantly male. She would be incredibly unsafe in her country if she were to make this public.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
The pitty pattying around the subject is pathetic, petrified of the backlash for stating facts. It's not just sports, its prisons, refuges, change rooms, women only associations, networks, functions and language.
Women's only associations has nothing to do with rights. Most people are more bothered by Rowling making generalizations about trans people being predators, more so than sports. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@@inkrahek3802 She has never said or inferred trans people are predators. You will never find anything she has said or written that comes close to that. You will have to start your argument again, from scratch.
One arguement that gets overlooked in this is why is it only Trans Women dominating (regardless of how often), this issue isn't in Mens sports and spaces.
saw the John Oliver Video, that part really felt like something a younger John Oliver would have pounced one. I mean, full-on denial of reality? What an opportunity for a great joke. Perhaps even a cake?
I support trans issues and legislation to protect them from the hate they get , but as much as I despise JK I'm with her on this particular issue. Once puberty hits the game changes , if you are a 13 year old boy who is on the wrestling team and decides to transition into female , you will absolutely win the championship in the female category about 90 percent of the time. You will win it in your freshman year in highschool , sophomore , junior , senior , you will win it in your college wrestling career and you will win it in the Olympics , is this fair to women ? I don't think so.
And apparently the idea of principle of fairness is completely lost on him. When males are allowed in female sports, we debate as to what is and isn’t fair. When sports are 100% female, it’s inarguably the most fair a playing field can be made.
It’s crazy that this is such a big issue for some people. With everything going on in the world, it just shows how privileged and comfortable people are.
To down play this issue by saying there are wore important things like poverty or education to talk about is not entirely telling how this issue really is. What about the countless people who have been targeted with hate, lost jobs and livelihoods from just pointing out something not right with the ideology and the left supporting it.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest, if you only care when it suits you.
@@inkrahek3802 thankyou, good question. I wouldn't say that I'm outraged. That's the point, this issue needs to be dialed back a notch. Civil debate instead of attacking people trying to start conversations.
It’s wild how there really are people out there who bounce between Colber and John Oliver, and actually believe they’re smarter than all of the countrymen they agree with politically.
It’s scary what some people can be convinced to believe. They will literally ignore their own life experiences if everyone around them is telling them something different. It’s quite horrifying in my opinion.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
You do NOT have a RIGHT to compete in sports. Based on his opinion, someone needs to ask John Oliver if sports should even be separated AT ALL. If there is no proof of a gender based advantage, as he claimed, then why separate men and women at all?
if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
I like how Olivers defense of it isnt a defense at all. 1) size of the issue doesnt matter. Even if it was only one case it is still an issue. 2) what proof do you have it isnt making sports more dangerous for woman? 3) we care because wr care about woman and womans rights. Like a real man my wife and daughters safety are above my own.
Also it’s fascinating, because leftists who now demonize her as a transphobic bigot still cherish their copies her series, know what House they think they’d be sorted into, and absolutely love the lore.
Would love to see Cenk in TYT and Oliver debate this. I believe as progressive as Cenk is, he agrees it's not a fair game when trans women competing in women sports. We can respect trans rights without denying biology.
@@legitlyspelunking if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest. Also, most people don't care about Rowling's comments on sports. Most people are bothered by her making generalizations about trans people being predators. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
The boxers weren't trans, they were thought to be intersex by a sketchy, non Olympic organization. Its related but not the same, there's a runner Caster Semenya that changed the rules around this condition and now can't run in competitions because she won't comply.
@@nicky611 If that's what the OP meant then I apologize. There has been some pushback at the elite levels, and I don't think there were any trans athletes in the 2024 Olympics, correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Nyet-Zdyes I had to look that one up. Nikki Hiltz was born a woman and is considered trans because she identifies as non binary and uses they/them pronouns. Also, not the important issue of unfairness with trans women competing in women's sports. I'm thoroughly opposed to trans women in women's sports. I'm just saying it doesn't help making wrong claims, it just gives proponents an opportunity to dodge the issue.
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Anyone that argues that men don’t have a biological advantage need to then answer why men and women’s sports were separated to begin with.
OR, go look at all of the Olympic track & field world records. The stopwatch don't lie.
sports is inherently discriminatory based on birth as if basketball is not a sport of tall ppl and there are no weight classes in men, the women's sports is fake and made for affirmative action, the real classification should be based on weight and height
I don't believe this anymore. It's a false flag. It has got to be.
@@Utubeisevil what the f…?! No. That’s not even close to accurate. Weird racist comment right here.
@@Utubeisevil Strange comment.
Interesting the Dems use the argument of "It is only a tiny number of women who are affected by trans in sports", and then in the same conversation tell us that trans rights are super important, despite them being only a tiny number.
You can't have it both ways. Why does a tiny number of men in woman costumes matter more than the supposedly tiny number of actual women that are affected?
Because it is inconvenient for them.
While I'm fairly conservative on this topic, I'm a chronic overthinker and i had to think to myself "if the number of people that exist determines whether or not they have rights, that's kind of a slippery slope legally and morally" so i guess I don't like the argument. Science is the only argument really needed honestly.
It's not a tiny number of women and girls affected though. How many women and girls are forced to sacrifice for just one boy?
@@gabrielleseals-cook9511 its not even a right though.... ppl do not have the right to play on w/e sports team they'd like. no matter how much i scream and cry, i will never be able to play on a women's high school volleyball team and i'll never be on the dallas cowboys :(. where are my rights?!
There is always a denial first. When you show evidence of harm, there's some type of rationalization. John Oliver, doesn't suffer any consequences, so his "outside looking in" perspective is probably very convincing to Liberal leaning people who are far removed from the issue.
I'd like to thank John Oliver for his contributions to the Vance 2028 campaign.
great comment
The more they promote the *super* "woke" things, the more conservatives will gain power. Many on the left STILL don't understand it. Many of the things on the left have validity, but they refuse to the draw the line at reason. It's why myself and so many that were originally on the left are either independent or straight up stand with republicans now.
They just don't get it.
Yes!❤😂
@@ImSeriousProductions they're in too deep already. They cant backtrack now
I'd like to hear John Oliver explain why no one has an issue with trans athletes in men sports.
The craziest thing is what is going on in chess. Trans are complaining about having to compete in the men’s league, but chess does not have a men’s league. The leagues are women's and open.
The smaller tournaments have everyone competing together. After the best player trophies are given out, a second, the best woman trophy is given out. Trans are complaining they don’t qualify for the second trophy.
@@theBear89451Athletic sports like track and field should be divided by gender, but mental sports like chess or poker should not be divided by gender. There is no mental advantage between men and women in chess.
@@joshuaheins4018Men and women are equal, so gendered divisions in all sports should be done away with.
Yeah, that is a point not brought up enough. When it comes to men, society tends to put men on the back burner. That in of itself is another discussion but that said, there is a chance there are far less examples of that. Not that fewer number of examples don't matter any less than greater number examples but that could be a second reason why it isn't getting as much attention.
Us men tend to take longer to speak up and even to my dismay never even discuss it. I'd even go so far as to say, some men don't even think to argue for men.
@@gfys756do you mean legally equal or physically equal? Those two things are not always and often not synonymous.
its embarrassing seeing a grown man get that hysterical about biological males not being allowed to compete in womens sports.
They accuse everyone of being obsessed over nothing while having absolute meltdowns every time it’s brought up.
What about trans girls that take puberty blockers? Their testosterone is suppressed. Natal girls in athletics experience higher testosterone levels - some into the male range.
What about the hundreds of little girls that just want to play soccer or baseball with their friends and stand 0 chance of being a star?
It's embarrassing for u to care 🙄
none of the people who support this have actually played a sport
It’s embarrassing creating a problem where is none 😢!!!
Haven't 800+ women already lost to trans athletes ? That's not a 'tiny' number. That's 800+ women who have lost scholarships, sponsorships, careers.
And that's just at the top. All along the way - at zone, district and state levels etc - women have been pushed out by one athlete.
Why do you care about sports either way? Many of the republicans who are obsessed with this topic will openly admit they don't care about poor people or disabled people dying. If you don't even care about people's financial wellbeing, then why do you suddenly care about something sports related?
@@MarthaAnthony Since when are sports a number 1 priority for people?
@@inkrahek3802 1. I'm not a Republican. I'm a Liberal because I am a feminist, ergo 2. I care about women and girls' rights to privacy, safety, fairness and accomplishment in any context. 3. Why don't you care about the rights of women and girls?
When the cost of tuition has skyrocketed. Adults no longer see youth sports as a way for their kid to make friends, stay healthy, and be a part of a team. Today's parents see youth sports as an "investment" in paying for college. If someone is perceived to stand in their way, concerns will be raised.
I get the sense that John Oliver has never competed in an athletic sport ever
No doubt. And I'm a fan of John. His last show was the first time I left a criticizing comment.
Why do you care about sports either way? Many of the republicans who are obsessed with this topic will openly admit they don't care about poor people or disabled people dying. If you don't even care about people's financial wellbeing, then why do you suddenly care about something sports related?
I feel like he got picked on a lot in high school.
@@inkrahek3802 Why do YOU care about this subject so much to you leave multiple comments about it? If you are allowed to care, so are others.
Does Speed Eating Doughnuts count?
Listen, I was a middle school Football Coach for 2 years. In our second season, we had 2 or 3 girls come out for the team. There are no rules stating they can't play so, they joined the summer workouts. Did really well. Did all the push ups, squats, and sit ups the guys did. Ran the same drills. All that. Then came the first day of hitting (practice with pads and full contact). They took one look at practice and BOTH decided it was better to be managers. Just because you CAN do a thing doesn't mean you SHOULD do a thing. All that inclusion was great for them until the reality of the sport hit them! This was middle school, 6th, 7th, and 8th graders ages 11 to 13. Even at that young age, the strength disparity between boys and girls is enormous. So even at a young age, a "Trans athlete" who "identifies" as a girl could cause serious injury to a biological girl. We're just built different! AND THAT'S SCIENCE!!!
I had two brothers; only 15 months separated our births. I never once won a physical competition against either one. They were bigger and stronger than I at every age. When I was about 8, I ran a mile with my brothers. Unknown when we started, the brother closest to my age had the flu and was running a fever of 102.3 F°. He still beat me. I was fast; I had even beaten every kid in my class at school. But I could not compete against him at his worst.
Why do you care about sports either way? Many of the republicans who are obsessed with this topic will openly admit they don't care about poor people or disabled people dying. If you don't even care about people's financial wellbeing, then why do you suddenly care about something sports related?
@@inkrahek3802 Women are getting seriously injured. And who are these people who are obsessed with this topic but don't care about the poor or disabled? Can you give examples because it's a pretty damning comment.
@inkrahek3802
People care about sports because we spend thousands of hours learning, playing, and improving at them, watching and analyzing them, primarily for enjoyment. Making girls' and women's sports unfair and dangerous goes against the human values we hold dear and the prevailing trend toward increasing fairness and safety.
@@NoOne-bp2jw Were boys included in the "every kid in (your) class" category you had beaten?
Edit: I should add, after reading my comment, it could be interpreted as snippy, especially with the quotation marks. This is unintentional.
“it is very weird for you to be so focused on this subject”. I agree. It’s very weird for John Oliver to be so focused on this subject.
They keep wanting to frame conservatives as the ones being obsessed with this issue, but it’s not conservatives organizing drag queen story hours. Progressives will never beat the allegations lol.
I always found it funny when people used that as an argument as to why we shouldn't care, in Many ways that's one of the weakest points but it's funny seeing people thinking it's a "gotcha" of some sort.
This is the liberals latest gaslighting. Just like when they started claiming that it was Republicans who were defunding the police after that policy completely backfired on them…
@@gg1648 They're clearly gaslighting. They don't want critics to talk about it because of how unpopular and largely indefensible their positions on this matter are.
Which is why you had a memo go out through these advocacy groups instructing them to not be so vocal in their advocacy and push for change more silently.
This is to try and prevent raising awareness among critics and dealing with pushback before they can hope to implement pro trans policy and legislation.
It’s like when I went to collect $20 a coworker owed me. He said, “oh, c’mon, it’s just $20.”
I was, like, “Yeah, it’s JUST $20. It shouldn’t be a sweat to pay back.”
I'm British. Please don't deport John Oliver.
Right after Trump deports John Oliver, he will build a wall around Oliver's house and make Oliver pay for it.
He doesn't have to go home, but he can't stay here.
I think he is probably a permanent resident.
@@micki0finn430 He is a US citizen.
@@pollyparrot9447 Well, then he is a permanent resident and not subject to deportation, lol.
The logical imperative is that if the category of women's sport exists in the first place, then how can an argument be made that there are no distinctions between the sexes.
Bingo! Actual logical statement analysis for the win!
Their logic is that the distinction is outdated… that is their logic for everything.
@@chingron Then why aren't they saying women's sports are outdated? If the distinction is outdated?
@@jesswalczak9946 So why were people outraged about a trans woman playing in women's chess divisions? That has nothing to do with physical strength.
@@inkrahek3802 Men are on average much better at chess than women, especially at the highest levels of competition.
My 8th grade boy ran cross country for the 1st time. At one meet, he was about 150th of about 200 boys. He noticed he would be in the top 30 if he ran with the girls. 😂
And that difference only gets significantly starker as they go through and finish puberty.
All the fastest women's 200m sprint times from the Olympics were set in the 70s when the Olympians were all juicing.
In 2023 5 high school boys set times faster than those. It's a colossal difference between all the fastest women to ever run the 200m dash (ON STEROIDS), and high School boys can already beat those times
@@turkturkleton2671 yep
She’s right
She's wrong
A trans on a team effects every female on that team and every female on teams they play against.
And every rational human who is being told to deny reality.
Same mindset as Martha Raddartz on PBS - “But only a handful of Venezuelan gangs are attacking apartments”.. Hey John, even one case is too much. All these elitists turn me the F off with their “Why are you bothered?” They are constantly in denial.
Exactly 👏
I thought the same thing immediately!
Almost like they want to wait for it to be a much bigger deal before doing anything about it
Why are you bothered is for when you have no arguement.
@@jamesbarker3620 Exactly. It's the only response left to them.
What's worse...that Oliver is publicly spouting a view that's asinine or that he is deliberately lying and knows deep down his view is asinine?
How deep down?
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest. Also, most people don't care about Rowling's comments on sports. Most people are bothered by her making generalizations about trans people being predators. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@@inkrahek3802 Hilarious. You guys failed when you tried to pin the “defund the police” movement on the right after it backfired on you. And you are also going to fail for trying to pin this on the right.
Just because a little girl could most likely beat John Oliver in track and field events.. doesn't mean all men are as weak 😂😂😂
@@inkrahek3802why do you speak on behalf of most people? Why not speak on your own?
Niall thinks there are more important things to talk about because he is not a woman in prison who just got housed with a trans woman cellmate. Or a female college student who has been told she has to room with a trans woman. He did not lose the opportunity for a scholarship or college admission to a trans woman. This is about sports, but it's also about so much more. Most of us do not have a problem if a trans woman uses a women's restroom. If fact, we probably wouldn't even notice. But when any man can claim that he is trans and use that as an excuse to enter women's restrooms and changing rooms it becomes a problem. The woman who complained after walking into a Planet Fitness bathroom and seeing a man shaving his face at the sink had every reason to feel uncomfortable. The fact that the 2 hosts of this show had to practically walk on eggshells when discussing this issue shows how much psychological bullying has been used to silence people. Voters showed that they are tired of people telling them that trans people's feelings are more important than women's feelings and that safety and fairness for women is really not that important.
❤❤🥀🥀🥀 to you for this
Thank you. It infuriates me when people, usually rich/affluent liberal men and women, say there are more important things to focus on rather than trans ideology.
The fact that Democrats want to introduce laws that make a blatant lie a truth is Orwellian and without a doubt will lead to more blatant lies being lawfared into truths.
Additionally, any individual who places men’s desire to PRETEND to be women over the safety of women and children is a truly despicable human being.
Wasn't this the #1 issue people mentioned in post-voting polling that took place on Nov 5th? The heart of the matter even if it doesn't affect you personally (I would argue that it does, you just don't realize it at the moment) is that is really shows a level of intellectual dishonesty that people are becoming finally willing to call out and fight back against, and not being afraid of being called "transphobic" (whatever the heck that even means, even moreso when applied to somebody like Blair White).
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it is not transwoman. It is trans man. a woman is an adult human female. please people use the correct language.
This comes down to a very simple question, What is Title 9 for if not to provide females with a separate sporting category.
Don't understand why this is difficult.
Because emotions override logic and common sense. They'd rather be outraged than act intelligently.
@@zshakur Why do you care about sports either way? Many of the republicans who are obsessed with this topic will openly admit they don't care about poor people or disabled people dying. If you don't even care about people's financial wellbeing, then why do you suddenly care about something sports related?
Also, JK Rowling might not be wrong about sports, but she is wrong when she tries to generalize that trans people are inherently more predatory.
Exactly!!
Rowling absolutely dismantled John Oliver!
It's like they forget she's a prestigious AUTHOR! She knows her way around words with a vengeance.
Yes, a prestigious fiction author. Too bad she clearly does not know her way around research.
No she didn't all her so call evidence was BS
@@Scarmiglione379 what studies ??
@@GP-qz6kk Too bad you had to run behind such a childish accusation instead of having a real point to make.
The craziest part about arguing in favor of trans women competing against biological women in sports is that even an 8 year old girl like my daughter knows instinctually men are bigger, stronger and faster on average. You don't need a degree to understand this. The gaslighting by people like Oliver, who I mostly like, is what has driven a wedge between people. Stop the craziness.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest. Also, most people don't care about Rowling's comments on sports. Most people are bothered by her making generalizations about trans people being predators. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@@inkrahek3802 I have to question why you keep copying and pasting the same comment over and over.
To John Oliver's argument, since there are so few cases of this happening in the country then there's no harm in just letting girls keep the rights they are already guaranteed under the Constitution and tell those few trans athletes to form their own league since only a small number of people are affected..
Sports isn't a rights issue. In some countries women are allowed to compete against men if they want to.
@@inkrahek3802 That's not a danger to men and boys, though. Male and female bodies are very different. Not everyone wants to live in your imaginary unisex utopia.
The Constitution? Lol.
John Oliver really soldout
He used to be awesome i mean just fantastic.... This selling out to the far left Progressives is sad
Which also means he soul-ed out...🥲
It's not about money. Or power. Something happened along the way and the left lost their mind.
Does John even have daughters?
he didnt sell out. he was always in favor of crazy stuff. on top of that, almost every criticism leveled on his show is him attacking a straw man. he picks the most fringe/absurd framing he can find on an issue before he begins his comedic critique. itd be one thing if the viewers understood that it was just comedy and is a distorted representation of the issue, but they do not.
Thinking that male and female athletes are equal in general physical ability is as dumb as believing the Earth is flat.
If the earth were flat, cats would have pushed everything off the edge by now.
IKR?!
Trans ideology has a lot in commone with flat Earth.
JK Rowling's comments are completely based.
most people don't care about Rowling's comments on sports. Most people are bothered by her making generalizations about trans people being predators. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@@inkrahek3802the chess argument is a straw man if I ever heard one. There was no collective outrage about dudes playing chess with chicks, cuz one or two randos complaining on the internet is not outrage.
And while I am no fan of Rowling, she never generalized trans individuals as predators. She merely pointed out that we should not allow males access to female private spaces (ie locker rooms) because all it takes for a creeper to have access to females in a vulnerable state is a willingness to put on a skirt and claim they identify as a woman. That’s essentially telling the fox he can go in the chicken coop so long as he dresses like a hen first.
@@inkrahek3802 She has never made generalizations that trans people are predators. She has just claimed that there is a difference between trans people and people who say they are trans. Just how there is a difference between black people and people who say they are black. Just saying something doesn't make it true. If so Kamala would just have to say she won the election, and she'd become president.
You need to specify what you mean by "trans rights." What rights are they being denied?
665 anti trans bills have been introduced in 2024, more than any other year on record. That makes this the fifth consecutive record-breaking year in the US. These bills cover many categories including EDUCATION, SPORTS, HEALTHCARE, CIVIL RIGHTS, BATHROOM, EMPLOYMENT, INCARCERATION, CHILD ABUSE, PERFORMANCE, BIRTH CERTIFICATES, MARRIAGE, MILITARY and more.
Basically, it is about the right to change the distinction between biology and psychology. Laws involving any distinction would need to be changed. This infringement of rights to women makes no difference to the "movement."
@@boerigter0835 You avoided answering the question. What rights are being denied to trans people that normal people have?
@@boerigter0835 It's about time. If you're going to make me choose between the 50% and the 1%, I'm going to choose the 50% in most cases.
@boerigter0835 you mean the bills safeguarding women and children's rigbts? 🤦🏽♀️🙄
It's insulting to comedians to call John Oliver a "comedian."
cope, he is right here
@@Utubeisevil not
Not really. Most stand-up comedy these days (not just the top selling ones) is very political, which means said comedian needs to know their audience really well.
👏👏👏
Loved his interview with Edward Snowden.
He really isn't qualified to comment on the sports issue. The reason we have women's sports separated is because of the insurmountable physiological differences between men and women.
John Oliver is the kind of guy to argue that WNBA players deserve the same pay as the NBA players and argue for male athletes in the WNBA in the same breath while being incapable of explaining unironically why Jackie Young earns far more than Mikayla Pivec.
When they say, "it only affects a small minority of the population who are Trans women." they are missing the point. It affects literally every parent of daughters who cringe at the thought of their girls being manhandled on the sports field in the name of inclusivity.
This is one example where "torched" is not hyperbole. She ended him.
The “it’s just a small problem” argument cuts both ways. If it’s just a small problem then the very small number of biological males who identify as female are free to compete against men.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
Niall is the most reasonable Democrat contributor of all time.
He is much the best they've come up with, that I've seen on this show.
Notice though that to be a “reasonable” liberal, you basically have to concede that Democrats have gone off the rails. It is impossible to defend current Democrat policy without going off the rails… as John Oliver just demonstrated.
He's from Northern Ireland, so he has a more balanced, outsiders perspective.
He still falls in line with this woke bullcrap.
I find it very ODD, this is the hill he chose to die on
and Jon Stewart as well!
Hes on a list
Rowling is right and people agree with her.
She's not right about demonizing men.
@inkrahek3802 😂 you are obsessed! Silly man.
I used to watch John Oliver… he is just another raging liberal night show.
Same. The constant complaining about a new topic is exhausting.
I stopped watching him in 2016 when for two months straight he kept ranting about Trump. And to think he has the audacity to berate anyone for being focused on something.
Same
Same
Same here. Another woke-virus victim.
Why are all the REAL women not speaking up/out? REAL women Fought for DECADES for all the rights achieved....voting, sports, pay, jobs etc. And now we're going to just give away all those rights back to MEN. This is just heartbreaking
We are. Yelling and screaming. But we're ignored, deplatformed and labeled right wing bigots. Groups like Icons, WDI and WOLF are all talking all the time and ignored by the mainstream media.
There are women speaking against it. Many of them on you tube were banned from it.
google Riley Gaines
A lot of us have been. As for those who have remained silent, maybe they fear retaliation at work. Dr. Richard T. Bosshardt has been very vocal about the treatment he received for criticizing the American College of Surgeon's DEI policy, so the same thing can happen with people who criticize anything related to gender ideology. Other people are bullied by their family and/or friends and don't want to be ostracized. I don't condone the silence but I understand that not everyone has the luxury of being able to sacrifice their job. And not everyone can stand up to this type of bullying especially from people they care about. That's why it's important for those of us who can speak up to do so.
Lots of women are. The question to ask is why isn’t traditional media covering them? The tiny mention this gets in media always, ALWAYS refers to those pushing back as anti-LGBT, right wing, conservatives, and Christians. There are loads of us who do NOT fit any of those descriptors but this is the lie they tell their viewers EVERY single time they bother to cover this topic.
Niall is a good host. I vote you keep him full time and ditch Nomiki forever.
Salute to JK Rowling for staying Strong in the fight for common sense and real science!!
I'm trans and when the world has gone insane we really need people to remain sane... J.K. Rowling is dead right
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I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
GET TO THE POINT BOY! Why’s he apologizing 7 times before he says a statement?
He’s afraid of being thrown into jail by Keir Starmer’s stormtroopers…
Its just not fair. Biological males are simply stronger than biological females. It has nothing to do with hate.
The argument that there are very few trans athletes in women's sports is so lame. It's like saying one kudzu plant in Georgia is harmless.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
I read a lot of the comments on this video, and this is the most dehumanizing I've come across yet.
"Vanishingly few transgirls competing"
Yea and how many do you think it takes to sweep 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?!
Niall provided the BEST argument that I’ve heard since I started following this issue, on why biological males should not compete against biological female athletes. The fact that we’re asked to accommodate a mutable characteristic, based on someone’s decision/desire, and if we don’t accommodate it, we’re called transphobic, is insane. The same argument applies for trans women who literally still have male body parts showing up in female spaces, and all females are supposed to accommodate them!!! It’s just mind boggling. The stats completely changes, when such cases happen. Even if it is just 1 such trans in a change room that accommodates 100 of females for example, you can’t say😅 that “oh that’s just 1% of population and we’re being mean to that 1%”, in fact in that situation that 1% has impacted the other 99% of population, by showing up with male body parts in a female change room. And the 99% are asked to shut up and accept the situation. How can that be right? How can that be fair? There is nothing fair about that picture. It’s wrong and extreme lefties are absolutely missing the point on this.
Why do you care?
To deny that trans women have an advantage means completely ignoring decades of data from both men’s and women’s sports.
Why should I care about sports?
Please wait until Nomiki is on the show before discussing topics like this. This guy is too reasonable.
Ask Oliver at how many, at what number rght becomes wrong? at what number he will see this then as an issue? 100? 10,000? 100,000? Millions? Or is 1 already enough?
What this conversation is missing is how the debate affects everyone when people are trying to shove an ideology down your throat.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
I really think there should be more push back in general, not just for sports. As someone who is diagnosed ASD and has many mental health issues, the best thing for me is that there wasn't trans acceptance back when I was a teenager, so when I started to struggle with gender dysphoria, it was actually seen as an indicator that I had other underlying mental health issues and I was seen by a doctor to try and address it. Nowadays we say we need to focus on mental health problems, but we make a specific carve out of GD and say it's actually healthy expression, but then wonder why the kids are all messed up.
You are correct. The estimates of how many trans or trans-identifying people have autism range from 6 to 26 percent. One UK clinic said they estimated more than 95 % of their clientele was autistic.
What's funny is that about a decade ago, John Oliver probably would've made a joke about his current position.
if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
Oliver is the best advocate for voting Republican. Keep up the good work.
It’s really sad to see some like Oliver who I held in the same regard as John Stewart go down by doubling down on more woke bs and shoving trans ideology down everyone’s throat.
John Stewart is just as bad.
@@hsmd4533 sad, but true.
Jon Stewart has gone full woke bs too
John Oliver is annoying in the extreme. I cannot tolerate him for second. Nothing about him is funny or charismatic, he's not smart, seems arrogant, is not likeable at all.
And that my friend, is an opinion. I think the exact opposite of you and so do many many others. The good news is that you can just decide to ignore him 😊
@elsa-cm1rh
You're right but what do you enjoy about him? I can't imagine what it could be. I am literally repulsed by his image.
The part where activists really tell on themselves is when you point out that males have physical advantages over females and they counter with arguing that trans women lose some of that physical advantage compared to when they were non-trans men (hormones, surgery et al). They ever so slightly move the goalposts because they need to avoid the fact that trans women still have inherent advantages over non-trans women.
if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@inkrahek3802 multiple things can be true at once. Obvious physical advantages in sports (which you have, as I pointed out already avoided admitting is demonstrably true) and that women's divisions are established to make women feel safe.
Your conclusion that "guys don't think women are smart enough" is both incorrect and ideologically driven (ie: you want to believe that men think women aren't smart enough). The actual reasons why there are women's leagues are:
To encourage a safe space for women who are historically a small group who were/are put off by playing against men. And second because chess is international and some countries won't allow women to play with men. Having a women's league allows all women everywhere to compete.
So the reason for separating men from women is indeed for inclusion in the game. Allowing trans women into women's divisions would undermine both of those aims which is great if you want to shut a lot of women out of the game. I guess the question is:
Why are you advocating for women to be pushed out of chess?
Good, Oliver has lost in mind in going full-woke. He must be stopped.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
The current Like/Dislike ratio (92.4%L | 7.6%D) probably about accurately represents national sentiments towards this issue. Yet the 7.6% have had totalitarian power thus far; if not politically, almost certainly socially.
How much erosion of logic and critical thinking is harmless?
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
When you realize the impact "trans" has on the potential trajectory of our culture it becomes more important to discuss.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
@@inkrahek3802 Those are givens. You are a silly person if you assume someone doesn't care about those things.
It is not just "sports" related. It is a huge cultural issue. If we are to allow men to "be" women this is a drastic change to the culture in more ways than sports, it's just more obvious currently in "sports".
The same old “Why do you care?” Because they know it’s indefensible.
John Oliver (interviewing Stephen Hawking): "You've stated that you believe that there could be an infinite number of parallel universes. Does that mean there is a universe out there where I am smarter than you?"
Stephen: "Yes. And also a universe where you're funny."
John Oliver sounds completely unhinged here. His show used to be a must watch for me, but Oliver and his staff writers definitely got overwhelmed with TDS in 2016 and they have been unwatchable ever since.
Best add of 2024, 'Kamala is for they/them, Trump is far you'
Where did she say that though?
You CANNOT overstate it. Boys are stronger than girls and girls will get hurt. Of the best wnba team played the worst nba team they’d lose by 50 plus.
It is like allowing 2 or three drivers in the F1 to have 20% more powerful engines. "It is only 2 out of 25" that's not a big margin" Yeah, but these two will invariably win the title. Why would any of the other drivers want to show up for the race?
I used to watch all of them, Stewart colbert Noah Oliver. But now, I just see them as a bunch of elitist getting paid really well to mock regular people
So there's vanishingly small numbers of trans women in sports, ergo it doesn't matter if they compete and it's weird to care about it... but also it's super important that you don't stop the vanishngly small number of people from competing and it's heartless to not care about it? Lame. Either it matters or it doesn't, and I guarantee you that more women are affected by trans athletes than there are trans athletes themselves, so if this "logic" held any water whatsoever it would have an inverted conclusion from Oliver's.
Not many! Ask the women in the Olympic boxing, IT only takes one!
Watch out before you catch a lawsuit.
@@t.e.stroud1781 That won't happen. The IOC has a genetic report - which they won't release of course because it is private info - but the person it concerns is physically female but biologically predominantly male. She would be incredibly unsafe in her country if she were to make this public.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
@@inkrahek3802 That's a great example of whataboutism; you're suggesting this person can only hold one thought at a time. Not logical.
Oliver talks so fast no one in his audience realizes he's telling them BS. They just clap along when he stops and has to take a deep breath.
If we use the argument there are very few. Is like saying PED use is ok because few do it. Few do it because it’s unfair.
Exactly… those “few” win every time.
"Why would you care?" The question is "why doesn't he care about women's and girls' rights???"
Why don't you care about disabled people's rights?
Taking fast, while reading a script,doesn't make you smart.
I'm so sick of hearing that there are bigger issues.
If you can't define what a woman is, society is lost.
The pitty pattying around the subject is pathetic, petrified of the backlash for stating facts. It's not just sports, its prisons, refuges, change rooms, women only associations, networks, functions and language.
Women's only associations has nothing to do with rights. Most people are more bothered by Rowling making generalizations about trans people being predators, more so than sports. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
@@inkrahek3802 She has never said or inferred trans people are predators. You will never find anything she has said or written that comes close to that. You will have to start your argument again, from scratch.
One arguement that gets overlooked in this is why is it only Trans Women dominating (regardless of how often), this issue isn't in Mens sports and spaces.
saw the John Oliver Video, that part really felt like something a younger John Oliver would have pounced one. I mean, full-on denial of reality? What an opportunity for a great joke. Perhaps even a cake?
I support trans issues and legislation to protect them from the hate they get , but as much as I despise JK I'm with her on this particular issue. Once puberty hits the game changes , if you are a 13 year old boy who is on the wrestling team and decides to transition into female , you will absolutely win the championship in the female category about 90 percent of the time. You will win it in your freshman year in highschool , sophomore , junior , senior , you will win it in your college wrestling career and you will win it in the Olympics , is this fair to women ? I don't think so.
Why does the Army have different standards for Men and Women? I'll wait.
And apparently the idea of principle of fairness is completely lost on him. When males are allowed in female sports, we debate as to what is and isn’t fair. When sports are 100% female, it’s inarguably the most fair a playing field can be made.
John Oliver is a corporate stooge.
It’s crazy that this is such a big issue for some people. With everything going on in the world, it just shows how privileged and comfortable people are.
Niall's closing point is dead-on. Bravo 👏 solid discernment there
this guy was terrified to have his own opinion
Jon Oliver is a comedian? Lol. That's hilarious
That why I stopped watching him years ago.
To down play this issue by saying there are wore important things like poverty or education to talk about is not entirely telling how this issue really is. What about the countless people who have been targeted with hate, lost jobs and livelihoods from just pointing out something not right with the ideology and the left supporting it.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest, if you only care when it suits you.
@@inkrahek3802 thankyou, good question. I wouldn't say that I'm outraged. That's the point, this issue needs to be dialed back a notch. Civil debate instead of attacking people trying to start conversations.
Oliver should hire Destiny as a sidekick.
It’s wild how there really are people out there who bounce between Colber and John Oliver, and actually believe they’re smarter than all of the countrymen they agree with politically.
It’s scary what some people can be convinced to believe. They will literally ignore their own life experiences if everyone around them is telling them something different.
It’s quite horrifying in my opinion.
Oliver's main argument is just 'don't care about this issue', which isn't an argument AT ALL.
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest.
You do NOT have a RIGHT to compete in sports.
Based on his opinion, someone needs to ask John Oliver if sports should even be separated AT ALL. If there is no proof of a gender based advantage, as he claimed, then why separate men and women at all?
if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
I stand with JK all the way.
She slandered Donald Trump
I like how Olivers defense of it isnt a defense at all. 1) size of the issue doesnt matter.
Even if it was only one case it is still an issue.
2) what proof do you have it isnt making sports more dangerous for woman?
3) we care because wr care about woman and womans rights. Like a real man my wife and daughters safety are above my own.
76 million voters gave John Oliver the middle finger.
JK Rowling is based.
Making Rowling the bad guy on this issue always seemed like a terrible idea. She's unimaginably rich and has facts on her side.
Also it’s fascinating, because leftists who now demonize her as a transphobic bigot still cherish their copies her series, know what House they think they’d be sorted into, and absolutely love the lore.
Would love to see Cenk in TYT and Oliver debate this. I believe as progressive as Cenk is, he agrees it's not a fair game when trans women competing in women sports. We can respect trans rights without denying biology.
No evidence they are a physical threat? Are you kidding ?
I don't care about sports.
John should be made to officiate a boxing match between a woman and a trans opponent
That's basically what we had at the Olympics and look what happened 🙃
@@legitlyspelunking if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
It is dangerous in the contact and collision sports!
I have to question why you care about something sports related, while then not caring about people's financial wellbeing, like sick or disabled people barely being able to make ends meet. It makes no sense that the average person couldn't care less if you live or die, but then suddenly they're just outraged about a sports controversy. That's selective outrage to say the lest. Also, most people don't care about Rowling's comments on sports. Most people are bothered by her making generalizations about trans people being predators. Also, if it's purely about physical ability, why were people outraged over a trans woman being involved in women's chess? Chess isn't a physical game. It's as if to imply women aren't smart enough to face men.
I’m 38 seconds and my brain already fell out of my skull. John they were in the dang Olympics 😂
The boxers weren't trans, they were thought to be intersex by a sketchy, non Olympic organization. Its related but not the same, there's a runner Caster Semenya that changed the rules around this condition and now can't run in competitions because she won't comply.
@@jamiedorsey4167i think you’re forgetting “Laurel” Hubbard who competed in the 2020 Olympics for New Zealand in women’s weightlifting.
@@nicky611 If that's what the OP meant then I apologize. There has been some pushback at the elite levels, and I don't think there were any trans athletes in the 2024 Olympics, correct me if I'm wrong.
@@jamiedorsey4167 There was a runner on the US team, too.
@@Nyet-Zdyes I had to look that one up. Nikki Hiltz was born a woman and is considered trans because she identifies as non binary and uses they/them pronouns. Also, not the important issue of unfairness with trans women competing in women's sports.
I'm thoroughly opposed to trans women in women's sports. I'm just saying it doesn't help making wrong claims, it just gives proponents an opportunity to dodge the issue.
Stop calling them trans women. These are dudes.