Great conversation. As a new venomous keeper, I love learning as much as I can whether iv heard before or not. My neonate SoPac rattler appreciates all the great info too. 🙂
Another reason I love living in Alaska, there are no snakes in Alaska, no native poisonous spiders, lizards, or anything that can bite you. We only have Bears, Wolves, and Wolverine to take us out.
Great Job ,,,,, well great with the facts that future venomous keepers can prepare for and fallow up on in order to be successful for the future. A ++++++++++++++++++++++
If a state allows a keeper to have venomous it should be automatic that the keeper must have a certain amount of anti-venom on hand for those snakes especially when they’re exotics
I would have to go looking for it but I think the electrocution for snake bite comes from an OLD paper from South America where there were reports of treating coral snake bites by denaturing the venom protein via electrocution. 😅 The problem is they could have been nonvenomous snakes mis-identified as coral snakes or dry bites but regardless their results have not been successfully replicated. 🐍
I wonder about that as well. I guess one could in theory wave the doctor of liability prior to being administered expired anti-venom… If they weren’t too incapacitated to do so. Similar to a DNR. I’d be curious to know if a doctor has ever administered expired anti-venom without receiving some form of written permission before hand.
@AnimalsatHomePodcast Have an attorney draft a waiver of liability and sign and notarize. Have a physician affiliated with your local hospital write a "PRN" order for antivenin. Keep both in your go bag.
Hey! Zoe here from the podcast. So this is a common myth. Hospitals in the United States will absolutely administer expired antivenom. Both native and non-native is a very common practice. Nothing unusual or unsafe about it. You do not have to do anything in advance. You can, as an extra layer of precaution, however when going through the process to actually import and legally stock antivenom this will have already been taken care of. You get paired with a physical doctor and a virtual toxicologist. They are the ones that specifically recommend you keeping the expired medication on hand for the purpose of treatment. To give an example before the infamous taipan bite that Jeff received, there was actually another right before that that never made the news. That patient was actually treated with anti-venom that was almost 50 years old. It expired in the 1980s and as per usual they were able to administer it right away without any holdups. Expiration for antivenom is a moot point if it’s what you have as it does not become unsafe just slightly less effective however we are talking decades upon decades upon decades after expiration. We are partnered with poison control and a global Snakebite Foundation so we see these types of situations play out constantly. Basically you can rest assured, expired or not, you won’t have any issues receiving treatment with your own medication that you bring in! in the states there’s only two ways to receive exotic medication. Yours that you got with your own permit so you’re already in the system or from a zoo/facility that donated it. They would already be in the system and paired with a doctor. Thankfully there are no gray areas when it comes to this for the United States anyway!
So question what about someone like me who's been shown to be allergic to all animals that I have ever not even come across. allergy test show that I'm allergic to basically everything alive. Does that mean I'm not allergic to snakes Or snake venom Because I never come across it???? Or would I or could I basically develop the allergy the 1st time?????
I honestly don’t know… It’s a good question. Typically animal allergies come from dander/hair, so I’d be surprised if you were actually allergic to snakes themselves. But you could definitely be allergic to the proteins in the venom/anti-venom.
Do you think as we move into synthetic antibody AV in the future, that we will see more improvments in the hobby, but more issues with AV and venom experemintation with "fads", i.e. people trying to self desnsitise or try for the "anti-aginng" theories damagin the hobby? do you think AV bodies will try to refute synsthetic based on market viability, and what would a synsthetic market do the venom labs and keeper hobby? I am UK based so we dont have the same systems as the US. Venom keeping is somthing i want to get a DWA for, however with young kids, ill be waiting a few years. I am at the stage where i have the space and money to build an outhouse for them, but that voice in the back of my head is saying.... not yet lol
The person that made this video is he not from Canada? Some discussion of anti-venom and Snakebite from a Canadians perspective should’ve been brought up in this episode. Why is everything only the USA it should be both :)
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it! Yes, I am Canadian. Zoe and Jackson are experts with the American system, so it would’ve been tough for them to speak on rules/regulations in Canada. However, if you know of anyone in Canada, who is an expert on this topic, please let me know, and I can reach out to them!
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Great conversation. As a new venomous keeper, I love learning as much as I can whether iv heard before or not. My neonate SoPac rattler appreciates all the great info too. 🙂
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!
Another reason I love living in Alaska, there are no snakes in Alaska, no native poisonous spiders, lizards, or anything that can bite you. We only have Bears, Wolves, and Wolverine to take us out.
Dont forget moose! Lol they're more dangerous than anything
Best podcast ever!
Great Job ,,,,, well great with the facts that future venomous keepers can prepare for and fallow up on in order to be successful for the future. A ++++++++++++++++++++++
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed this one! 😀
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Yes i did ,,,, i do enjoy the venomous life ,,,, makes me feel alive and be more direct ,, no choice ,,, great for the brain '
If a state allows a keeper to have venomous it should be automatic that the keeper must have a certain amount of anti-venom on hand for those snakes especially when they’re exotics
Awesome stuff!
I would have to go looking for it but I think the electrocution for snake bite comes from an OLD paper from South America where there were reports of treating coral snake bites by denaturing the venom protein via electrocution. 😅
The problem is they could have been nonvenomous snakes mis-identified as coral snakes or dry bites but regardless their results have not been successfully replicated. 🐍
Interesting, ty!
Love that I can trust your information on your channel thanks Dillon and guest!
Thank you for watching as always! Glad you enjoyed it
My guess is that no US hospital will administer the antivenin with an expiration date due to liability, so the "lasts a lifetime" point is moot.
I wonder about that as well. I guess one could in theory wave the doctor of liability prior to being administered expired anti-venom… If they weren’t too incapacitated to do so. Similar to a DNR. I’d be curious to know if a doctor has ever administered expired anti-venom without receiving some form of written permission before hand.
@AnimalsatHomePodcast Have an attorney draft a waiver of liability and sign and notarize. Have a physician affiliated with your local hospital write a "PRN" order for antivenin. Keep both in your go bag.
Excellent advice!
Hey! Zoe here from the podcast. So this is a common myth. Hospitals in the United States will absolutely administer expired antivenom. Both native and non-native is a very common practice. Nothing unusual or unsafe about it. You do not have to do anything in advance. You can, as an extra layer of precaution, however when going through the process to actually import and legally stock antivenom this will have already been taken care of. You get paired with a physical doctor and a virtual toxicologist. They are the ones that specifically recommend you keeping the expired medication on hand for the purpose of treatment. To give an example before the infamous taipan bite that Jeff received, there was actually another right before that that never made the news. That patient was actually treated with anti-venom that was almost 50 years old. It expired in the 1980s and as per usual they were able to administer it right away without any holdups. Expiration for antivenom is a moot point if it’s what you have as it does not become unsafe just slightly less effective however we are talking decades upon decades upon decades after expiration. We are partnered with poison control and a global Snakebite Foundation so we see these types of situations play out constantly. Basically you can rest assured, expired or not, you won’t have any issues receiving treatment with your own medication that you bring in! in the states there’s only two ways to receive exotic medication. Yours that you got with your own permit so you’re already in the system or from a zoo/facility that donated it. They would already be in the system and paired with a doctor. Thankfully there are no gray areas when it comes to this for the United States anyway!
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So question what about someone like me who's been shown to be allergic to all animals that I have ever not even come across. allergy test show that I'm allergic to basically everything alive. Does that mean I'm not allergic to snakes Or snake venom Because I never come across it???? Or would I or could I basically develop the allergy the 1st time?????
I honestly don’t know… It’s a good question. Typically animal allergies come from dander/hair, so I’d be surprised if you were actually allergic to snakes themselves. But you could definitely be allergic to the proteins in the venom/anti-venom.
Id love to go see their animals sounds like they have some interesting species and a smart set up literally lol
Do you think as we move into synthetic antibody AV in the future, that we will see more improvments in the hobby, but more issues with AV and venom experemintation with "fads", i.e. people trying to self desnsitise or try for the "anti-aginng" theories damagin the hobby? do you think AV bodies will try to refute synsthetic based on market viability, and what would a synsthetic market do the venom labs and keeper hobby? I am UK based so we dont have the same systems as the US. Venom keeping is somthing i want to get a DWA for, however with young kids, ill be waiting a few years. I am at the stage where i have the space and money to build an outhouse for them, but that voice in the back of my head is saying.... not yet lol
Those are amazing questions!
The person that made this video is he not from Canada? Some discussion of anti-venom and Snakebite from a Canadians perspective should’ve been brought up in this episode. Why is everything only the USA it should be both :)
But great job other than that point !
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it! Yes, I am Canadian. Zoe and Jackson are experts with the American system, so it would’ve been tough for them to speak on rules/regulations in Canada. However, if you know of anyone in Canada, who is an expert on this topic, please let me know, and I can reach out to them!
Canada isn’t real. Like birds and Australia.