Thiests: "Something can't come from nothing." Atheists: "Ok, fair enough. Then where did your God come from?" Theists: "God has always existed." Atheists: "But if something can't come from nothing, that means your God can't exist either." Theists: "But...but...Yes it can, because the Bible said so. 😢 Hearing this exact conversation is what made me read the Bible for myself. 18 months later, I was an atheist.
When theists say something can't come from nothing I ask if their god is a physical entity. When they give the "timeless, spaceless immaterial" Schick I point out there god had nothing to make everything from so they just disproved their god.
Yes, we have graduated from a childlike, superficial form of reasoning to a much more advanced and integrated, in-depth understanding of the world and our place in it. I remember the Jehova's Witnesses coming to my house a few years ago. They got out of the car and asked me if I believed in God, and I said no, I didn't. They then asked me to look at my Cottonwood trees, the clouds, the birds, the sky and asked me where I thought all that stuff came from. My reply: It all came from existence. Deer in the headlights look from both and they got back in their car and left.
They almost never do. Half of theist callers to these shows have a script from which they refuse to deviate, and half come woefully unprepared to engage in any honest thinking.
“Atheists don’t have common sense when presented with theist arguments.” ….. “I’ve had arguments where atheists explain things to me but I don’t understand them.” The projection is simply perfection.
If common sense was a good system we wouldn't need the scientific method or logic and philosophy. Its a good way to stay alive on a day to day basis, but humans biases, tendancy to see patterns not there and poot intuition when it comes to statistics makes it really bad for solving more complex problems.
My issue with these kind of viewpoints where people look at their own blessings and fortunes and privileges, as a means of convincing themselves and attempting to convince others around them that there is a God And in a way it feels arrogant because they’re basically flaunting their own privileges around people who don’t have them and insist that other people share in their suspicions because of the privileges that they themselves have, whereas despite my own Fortunes, it’s the misfortune of others around me, including people I care about, that have compelled me not to believe in God, added to the fact that there’s no Incentive to favor one god over another Let alone believe one exists, and I’m not gonna trash on anybody who wants to believe in a God in their own volition, but I’m not gonna stand by and kiss somebody’s ass when they insist that I share their suspicions given the shitty things that have happened to people around me that I care about, nor am I going to listen to them give me fairytale horseshit. I’m just not buying it.
God is a something, so there never was a nothing. Oh, God is outside of something? Cool God still couldn't make something from nothing because it's been stated it's imposible.
In arkansas we have a newspaper columnist who gets off on gawd nods. Me, i once swam in the ocean and did not get eaten by sharks. This made me believe Mary was a virgin
"We are still too rational, too this-worldly, and too individualistic to submit to naked tyranny. We are still being protected by the fading remnants of our Enlightenment heritage." -Leonard Peikoff-1986
Caller laughs a minute after Ethan explains brothers death is sickening. caller reminds me of the "Jesus people cult" I and my brother were invited to visit . who said we must give a test of faith. they wanted me my brother to walk in front of a car later test to prove our faith. I was 15 years and my brother 18 when this happened at our first visit in sprinfield Mass . we were scared and asked if we could use their rest room beyond the kitchen door . they didn't fallow us for what ever reason. we walked out the kitchen door and started running fast down the street never looking back.
Caller, why do you begin with nothing when we know there is something? Because that's what you are doing. This is the fundamental error. You are saying, "Well, I know something exists, but I'm not satisfied starting with existence. Let me step outside of existence to look for a cause." You either start with existence, or you begin with non-existence. There is no other alternative. So, why do you start with nothing and then seek a cause for existence, stealing concepts all the way?
Christian argument: "if atheists can't explain how the universe came into being from nothing, then our god is the winner of the argument." No it doesn't. "I don't know" is a MORE legitimate answer than "god" will EVER be.
The more theists try to ground their belief in reason the further they stray from reasonableness. If God wanted to be discovered by reason alone, why is the reason employed so dubious. It makes God seem impotent.
Yes the Impotent Omnipotence seemingly! Why Joe has no respect for Ethans Brother dying really hits the fan. all fans out from his indoctrination lacking his awarnes. a good reason why theism should reframe from polotics.
I figured out god wasn't real when I was like 8, and tried talking to him only to realize I was looking at clouds and talking to myself. How grown adults believe in all that is ridiculous.
I get why the hosts can't do this, but sometimes I really wish they'd call out all these theists claims of "a miracle happened to me!" or even just when they say personal experience or revelation. There are times I'd love if the hosts would just say, "You know what, caller? That's crap. You didn't have some supernatural experience; you weren't visited by . You're either lying to me or to yourself."
Christians say that something can not come from nothing, OK, where did god get the materials to create everything? or did he create everything from nothing?
Miracles...sheesh. Isnt it sad that when.a Christian experiences a miracle there is no explanation other than god but when a Muslim or Hindu or Sikh experiences a miracle their has to be a natural explanation that they.atent telling you?
The smartest people to have ever exist don’t know the origin of the universe as in what was was “before” big bang, so why does the caller think RUclips atheist or call in shows are gonna be able explain the origin of the universe
If you think about it, the statement that "nothing can come from nothing" is completely arbitrary. We don't have any example of anything to observe, so it isn't very sensible.
@11:45 Eric's parents argument should be extended further, through the generations we would be dumber and dumber. by this time we should be completely mentally incapable of understanding god or much else
I think a reasonable argument for a god being possible could be made, but you would have to throw out one or more attributes that most insist it possesses. Immaterial is the first thing that has to go. It must materially exist somewhere, perhaps in another universe or dimension. Even possibly in some non-physical way as energy or natural forces or some other incomprehensible way, but it must have some traction somewhere to interact with spacetime, matter, or energy in this universe. Timeless is almost as bad, although I can presume that there might be somewhere outside our universe where something else is a stand-in for time to allow events to happen, or that other universes have a totally separate timeline, such as somewhere like where Biblical angels must have dwelt "prior" to the creation of this universe. The Biblical god evolves through the events in the stories, making mistakes and regretting them, changing personality over time. Having a character arc within a story necessitates the flow of time.
This caller should watch the video by DarkMatter2525 called 'You can't have a personal relationship with a god and that's ok' it really hits all points. Especially common sense. 👍🏼🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌🏼
Give me some evidence for a god and I'll be happy to use common sense when I look at it, whatever that means. Still waiting for some actual evidence, not something that doesn't point to a god, like look at the trees, or whatever random thing you want.
It's just about impossible to have a meaningful discussion with some of these callers because they're so ignorant and incapable of thinking for themselves.
When it comes to soul topic, "possibility of its existence" is the worst, most useless and least interesting thing to talk about. What they should discuss instead is "what exactly is soul" or "what does it mean to have a soul" or "how to tell the difference between having a soul and not having it".
It’s so funny to me these theists don’t even understand their own faiths. Creatio ex nihilo is not a concept made up by atheists. It’s religious dogma. Arguing something can’t come out of nothing is in direct opposition to what they’re supposed to believe
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Romans 10:9 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Repent from your irrational ways. Commit yourself to reason as your only means of knowledge and guide to action. It's not too late to start living as a human being.
Thiests: "Something can't come from nothing."
Atheists: "Ok, fair enough. Then where did your God come from?"
Theists: "God has always existed."
Atheists: "But if something can't come from nothing, that means your God can't exist either."
Theists: "But...but...Yes it can, because the Bible said so. 😢
Hearing this exact conversation is what made me read the Bible for myself. 18 months later, I was an atheist.
When theists say something can't come from nothing I ask if their god is a physical entity. When they give the "timeless, spaceless immaterial" Schick I point out there god had nothing to make everything from so they just disproved their god.
This line of logic/thinking always makes me laugh. As according to the their beliefs god ‘thought’ everything into existence out of nothing.
If they said "God" has always existed I'd respond with but the universe could always have existed, in some form. It could possibly be energy.
Shortly after saying something can't come from nothing, he said god is everything and nothing at the same time. Good luck following his logic
@@UhOhDovah Yes..some real round trip bullsh… there.
“I believe that a God exists who created everything, because my imagination is not sufficient for any other explanation”
Exactly that.
As an atheist, I rarely trust my common sense because it so often leads to bonkers conclusions.
Agree 100%. When people say common sense it’s rarely common nor sensical.
Half of this guy's responses are just nervous laughter.
Look at the stars.
Well, I’m convinced…
Yeah but jesus though😂
your horoscope predicted you'd come 'round ...
@@porkyboy4226 Ok, that was compelling. Praise the Lord!
Joe on a spirit "I think it has a body in heaven"..,on the Earth it comes in a bottle.
I'm actually impressed -- he managed to "Look at the stars!" and "Look at the bacteria!" in a single sentence. The delusion is strong with this one.
Yes, we have graduated from a childlike, superficial form of reasoning to a much more advanced and integrated, in-depth understanding of the world and our place in it. I remember the Jehova's Witnesses coming to my house a few years ago. They got out of the car and asked me if I believed in God, and I said no, I didn't. They then asked me to look at my Cottonwood trees, the clouds, the birds, the sky and asked me where I thought all that stuff came from. My reply: It all came from existence. Deer in the headlights look from both and they got back in their car and left.
Theists never actually talk to atheists , they are told what atheists believe and never question it.
Proven, obervable cosmology “isnt common sense” but a magical, supernatural, invisible, undetectable sky grandad is …😂😂😂
It is very apparent that the caller is not following the questions or logic
They almost never do. Half of theist callers to these shows have a script from which they refuse to deviate, and half come woefully unprepared to engage in any honest thinking.
This caller gives morons a had name.
Listening to christian callers made me an atheist. Way to go, christians
Caller had no respect for Ethans brother is scary.
Cultists are what drive people away from cultists.
My first day of college in my intro to psychology class, our professor said that there's no such thing as "common sense."
His nervous laugh gives the game away
“Atheists don’t have common sense when presented with theist arguments.”
…..
“I’ve had arguments where atheists explain things to me but I don’t understand them.”
The projection is simply perfection.
Common sense is not actually sense, it’s just common.
Sorry about your loss, Ethan.
I’ll never understand why believers find it unfathomable to just say “ We don’t know everything and that’s ok “
Good questions answered with "ghehehehe". Excellent.
The guy's got his Beavis & Butthead giggle down pat! 👍
An interesting notion that your "common sense" should be able to tell you how a universe came into being.
Dude just put an entire discipline of physics out of business. Absolute unit of a philosopher.
@@knastvogelI see no sophy of the philo
If common sense was a good system we wouldn't need the scientific method or logic and philosophy.
Its a good way to stay alive on a day to day basis, but humans biases, tendancy to see patterns not there and poot intuition when it comes to statistics makes it really bad for solving more complex problems.
The most uncommon attribute
This caller is the poster boy for the argument from incredulity
My issue with these kind of viewpoints where people look at their own blessings and fortunes and privileges, as a means of convincing themselves and attempting to convince others around them that there is a God And in a way it feels arrogant because they’re basically flaunting their own privileges around people who don’t have them and insist that other people share in their suspicions because of the privileges that they themselves have, whereas despite my own Fortunes, it’s the misfortune of others around me, including people I care about, that have compelled me not to believe in God, added to the fact that there’s no Incentive to favor one god over another Let alone believe one exists, and I’m not gonna trash on anybody who wants to believe in a God in their own volition, but I’m not gonna stand by and kiss somebody’s ass when they insist that I share their suspicions given the shitty things that have happened to people around me that I care about, nor am I going to listen to them give me fairytale horseshit. I’m just not buying it.
But, your god comes from nothing or is eternal, but the universe could come from nothing or be eternal. We have proof of neither.
God is a something, so there never was a nothing.
Oh, God is outside of something? Cool God still couldn't make something from nothing because it's been stated it's imposible.
They always laugh when they're nervous or don't have an answer...😊
In arkansas we have a newspaper columnist who gets off on gawd nods. Me, i once swam in the ocean and did not get eaten by sharks. This made me believe Mary was a virgin
"We are still too rational, too this-worldly, and too individualistic to submit to naked tyranny. We are still being protected by the fading remnants of our Enlightenment heritage."
-Leonard Peikoff-1986
Why did the universe necessitate a beginning? Beginnings and endings are a human necessity.
Caller laughs a minute after Ethan explains brothers death is sickening. caller reminds me of the "Jesus people cult" I and my brother were invited to visit . who said we must give a test of faith. they wanted me my brother to walk in front of a car later test to prove our faith. I was 15 years and my brother 18 when this happened at our first visit in sprinfield Mass . we were scared and asked if we could use their rest room beyond the kitchen door . they didn't fallow us for what ever reason. we walked out the kitchen door and started running fast down the street never looking back.
Common sense is neither.
Common sense tells us that the Earth is flat, and the Sun moves around the Earth. It is wrong most of the time.
Caller, why do you begin with nothing when we know there is something? Because that's what you are doing. This is the fundamental error. You are saying, "Well, I know something exists, but I'm not satisfied starting with existence. Let me step outside of existence to look for a cause." You either start with existence, or you begin with non-existence. There is no other alternative. So, why do you start with nothing and then seek a cause for existence, stealing concepts all the way?
There's a book, Joe, "Something from nothing" by Lawrence Krause. Read it. Then get rid of your special pleading that god could come from nothing.
Lawrence Krauss’s book is actually called “A Universe From Nothing”
@@dylanpatterson7149 My bad.
@@jlsc4125 it’s all good, definitely a good book to read
I wasn’t an atheist until someone told me I was.
Okay I'm gonna need some deets
Christian argument: "if atheists can't explain how the universe came into being from nothing, then our god is the winner of the argument."
No it doesn't. "I don't know" is a MORE legitimate answer than "god" will EVER be.
The more theists try to ground their belief in reason the further they stray from reasonableness. If God wanted to be discovered by reason alone, why is the reason employed so dubious. It makes God seem impotent.
Yes the Impotent Omnipotence seemingly! Why Joe has no respect for Ethans Brother dying really hits the fan. all fans out from his indoctrination lacking his awarnes. a good reason why theism should reframe from polotics.
I figured out god wasn't real when I was like 8, and tried talking to him only to realize I was looking at clouds and talking to myself.
How grown adults believe in all that is ridiculous.
I get why the hosts can't do this, but sometimes I really wish they'd call out all these theists claims of "a miracle happened to me!" or even just when they say personal experience or revelation.
There are times I'd love if the hosts would just say, "You know what, caller? That's crap. You didn't have some supernatural experience; you weren't visited by . You're either lying to me or to yourself."
"how many miracles do you think happen every year?" that's how you address this IMO
Good video, no one got upset lol
Christians say that something can not come from nothing, OK, where did god get the materials to create everything? or did he create everything from nothing?
Omg. I so know what that feels like, those "adhd brain" moments.
Miracles...sheesh. Isnt it sad that when.a Christian experiences a miracle there is no explanation other than god but when a Muslim or Hindu or Sikh experiences a miracle their has to be a natural explanation that they.atent telling you?
Why would someone use the common sense when analyzing a scientific question?
Caller: makes claim.
Hosts: respond.
Caller: laughs nervously.
Repeat.
Never believed and I never will.
The smartest people to have ever exist don’t know the origin of the universe as in what was was “before” big bang, so why does the caller think RUclips atheist or call in shows are gonna be able explain the origin of the universe
“Common sense” is just what people say when they have no good argument to support their position.
I’m proud to lack that.
"Nothing can come from Nothing". We all agree on that, except theists. 'Nothing' can't exist as a state of existence.
If you think about it, the statement that "nothing can come from nothing" is completely arbitrary. We don't have any example of anything to observe, so it isn't very sensible.
Joe tries to justify his belief in a god by citing his belief in souls, for which he also has no justification.
Someone made the title wrong, that put an "A" at the beginning of the video title.
Flip the script.
"God is like everything and nothing at the same time"
So... if god is "nothing", then you do believe that the universe came from nothing?
Nice catch! 👍
@11:45 Eric's parents argument should be extended further, through the generations we would be dumber and dumber. by this time we should be completely mentally incapable of understanding god or much else
I think a reasonable argument for a god being possible could be made, but you would have to throw out one or more attributes that most insist it possesses. Immaterial is the first thing that has to go. It must materially exist somewhere, perhaps in another universe or dimension. Even possibly in some non-physical way as energy or natural forces or some other incomprehensible way, but it must have some traction somewhere to interact with spacetime, matter, or energy in this universe. Timeless is almost as bad, although I can presume that there might be somewhere outside our universe where something else is a stand-in for time to allow events to happen, or that other universes have a totally separate timeline, such as somewhere like where Biblical angels must have dwelt "prior" to the creation of this universe. The Biblical god evolves through the events in the stories, making mistakes and regretting them, changing personality over time. Having a character arc within a story necessitates the flow of time.
This caller should watch the video by DarkMatter2525 called 'You can't have a personal relationship with a god and that's ok' it really hits all points. Especially common sense. 👍🏼🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌🏼
Give me some evidence for a god and I'll be happy to use common sense when I look at it, whatever that means. Still waiting for some actual evidence, not something that doesn't point to a god, like look at the trees, or whatever random thing you want.
Ask Joe a question, and it's "hehe" trying to mask he has no answer. But also a tad bit smug; there is _nothing_ that will ever change his mind.
Ahura Mazda did it any theist know that or he think was other deity?
It's just about impossible to have a meaningful discussion with some of these callers because they're so ignorant and incapable of thinking for themselves.
Very hard to examine a total lack of evidence
This callers nervous laughter was pretty annoying.
“Common sense” of the theist seems to neither be common nor sensical.
Joe is so so creepy. He gives me such bad vibes. I instinctively covered my drink every time he did that slimy little laugh.
So, a 'god' appears from nothing/nowhere. It always comes down to what created the god
Talking snakes? Explain.
I think people need to stop saying something from nothing ? Apparently there was something ?
Perhaps there has always been energy.
@@duncanbryson1167 perhaps, but we do know there was something?
Smug condescending little chuckle
Then it's not real common sense
Saying that "if God did not do it, nothing did it" is also a false dichotomy. This is a very bad argument.
When it comes to soul topic, "possibility of its existence" is the worst, most useless and least interesting thing to talk about. What they should discuss instead is "what exactly is soul" or "what does it mean to have a soul" or "how to tell the difference between having a soul and not having it".
He just pre supposes so much crapthat has zero evidence.
It’s so funny to me these theists don’t even understand their own faiths. Creatio ex nihilo is not a concept made up by atheists. It’s religious dogma. Arguing something can’t come out of nothing is in direct opposition to what they’re supposed to believe
Do not care for Joes laugh
Joe is a fallacy machine.
....what's with the giggling? dud's pretty insecure.
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Romans 10:9 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
🤣😂😅🤣😂🤣😅🤣😂😂🤣🤣😅😂😅🤣😅🤣😂
Wow I'm convinced! /s
Repent from your irrational ways. Commit yourself to reason as your only means of knowledge and guide to action. It's not too late to start living as a human being.
Repent now. Unless you believe in the Juju on the mountain you will be lost. Only he can provide the map...😂😂😂
What a fucking cop out!! Own up to your own shit!!
Oh my god
Me love Jesus. Me do big think