You NEED a SHOOTING BOARD (Here's how to build one!)
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- I have had several folks ask about my shooting board, how I make them and what changes I incorporated. I have been teaching hand tool WW for a long time and as I see beginners struggle with issues that I had long forgotten troubled me, I decided to fix what I could. Once you learn to sharpen and use a plane, an accurate shooting board will do more to improve your work than any other device in the shop. We have been asked so often to start selling these, we now offer them on my site. robcosman.com/...
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I love how ot not all perfectly planned out.. problem solving as you go along. Gives a clearer idea of how its made rather than having perfect material ready and simply gluing up 👍
I agree, thats why we film that way and always will.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I was a carpenter for 20 years before I started teaching 10 years ago. I often tell my students I rarely had a day when I didn't spend the majority of my time doing raw problem solving. If it were easy, a machine could do it. You Sir, are a master craftsman, and I really appreciate your honest teaching style.
I agree. One big difference between me and the pros like Rob and others is that THEY know how to solve problems and correct mistakes. They also keep a clean shop whereas I can barely walk around in mine. :D
A year ago I watched a video that Rob Cosman said I’m paraphrasing “if you learn how to use hand planes it will change how you do woodworking for the better”. I am a much better woodworker worker today because I have learned how to use hand plane’s (still learning) and have actually started using more of all kinds of hand tools. I even sent that video to my old HS shop teacher because I knew how much he would enjoy it too.
I also liked that he moves too fast liked me. Everyone else is so slow and methodical. Makes me feel like I'm crazy.
Great build. Only thing weird was when I followed your steps exactly, I got glue squeeze out instead of glue squeeze oot, though my buddy up in Vancouver also got squeeze oot. Go figure. Like others, I appreciate how you don't script and edit your builds, but have to look around for your glue and find that your shop pencil tip is broken--just like the rest of us.
It's the Canadian glue :)
It's maple syrup not glue
I don't appreciate the lack of editing. Drives me crazy. Some would say that it is an insult to the viewer- not caring enough about their time to not waste it. At time of writing, 585K views, so each wasted minute is over a year of viewer's time.
@Mike M you’ve been complaining a lot lately.
@@Tensquaremetreworkshop I find it more helpful why waste time complaining just move on
Sincere thanks to you Rob!
I'm a disabled carpenter due to back surgery. Started the trade at 18, had a botched surgery at 34. About 8 yrs framing, than became finish carpenter. Its weird how life works, but new for certain at about 28yrs, that I loved and appreciated finer woodworking. Everything always came down to finances as I married at 23. I had to do by obligation heavier work. I went on my own at 30yr.
Anyway, I deeply appreciate all your teaching, and the generosity you have freely given in knowledge, is something I not only highly respect, but it's meant to me more than words can say! Thank you so much. At 56, I have a new, a different attitude toward my future. I've acquired knowledge for years. I'm beginning to pursue woodworking as a "first love".
All I've learned from you is so completely valuable!!! You've affected my life at the core of all that I love, as it relates to Wood, the trade, the detail, integrity, expertise, just all that I love.
Couple years ago I built a 4'x7' assembly table, torsion box style. 3/4" melamine top and bottom, with 3/4" birch ply as the inside. I purchased Lie-Nielsen's low angel Jack-rabbit as well as the low angel rabbit block plane. Also, marking gauges and so forth.
I need a 5 1/2 and am wondering quality wise between your Wood river, or Lie-Nielsen.
Started building furniture a couple yrs ago, and soon want to make this purchase. I'm very loyal to what I deem is important. I've never had anything from Wood river, but knowing you represent them now puts them in the bidding.
From all you've taught me through your video's, and being in my position financially, I'm sure you would say to go with wood river 5 1/2. I just know in my heart, Lie-Nielsen is just a bit more quality.
This dragged out comment was really meant just to let you know how much I appreciate your teaching, your complete generosity in it. SO THANK YOU MAN, TOTALLY!!!
Sincerely, david per Wooden Nails
Wanna build a shooting board? Step 1: square all your pieces with your shooting board...
LMAO! I had to make a crap shooting board to make my nicer one!
Rob Cosman and Paul Sellers two top woodwork educators around. I love to sound from your planes make when cutting hardwoods.
I'm sorry, at 19:06 when he says, "you need a shooting board to make a shooting board," he lost me.
ehh, I managed without. Found the straightest most square piece of 1-1/4 square stock red oak from the big box store. Used the factory edge ply where it counted. All worked well. (my outside edges are a bit embarrassing)
I watched this immediately after the Paul Sellers video on the same subject. Check out both for two completely different takes on same thing and compare the tension in the work method.
I've watched both and much prefer Paul's method. I haven't made one of his yet but it will be the one I make. Why? Because I'm broke and the materials needed to make his can be found in any construction dumpster. So what if it takes me longer to make. Rob says his takes "15 minutes" to make. Yeah, 15 minutes to cut the material and an hour or so to let all the glue dry!
It's like watching a mad scientist at work. Seems a little all-over-the-place but amazing results always come out in the end.
Rob, love your videos and your tools. It looks like you leave about 1/8th” between the base of the plane and the back stop. I’m curious why you wouldn’t glue the stop so that it almost contacts the base of the plane - Reducing that ~1/8” to a couple .000. It seems to me that making it only a couple .000 would support the end of the board you are shooting and resist tear out and maybe even eliminate the need to chamfer the back edge of the board you are shooting?
Love the spring clamp in between your shoulder blades
I think I have seen you look for a pencil at least 100 times, though you always have a rag. Odd how we each have our thing. I always have a pencil, but darn if I can find a rag when I need one.
We should get together.
James Ervin they are both hanging out with my measuring tape
@@RobCosmanWoodworking if you get together neither one of you will be able to find a pencil or a rag 😯
What I love about all these Rob Cosman videos is that having now watched almost 20, Rob’s very dry and subtle humour and warmth becomes more noticeable. And also having watched many other good RUclips woodworkers to get me making things - I’m coming back to Rob to take me to the next level. Thank’s Rob for generously sharing all of this advice. And I’m hoping one day someone will treat me to one of those wonderful saws you make….
I love that your shop isn't perfect. The non scripted looking for stuff is great to see
Why? Underhill's ain't, Abram's really wasn't, so don't stress over it. I bet you know where everything is.. except the CA glue that you wanted, the others were there. If we did have perfect shops, nobody would believe we did any woodworking, ya know. BTW, Happy Belated Canada Day
Rob Cosman's shop is exactly my idea of perfect. I wish I had something like that.
I spend half my life looking for stuff
Great stuff Rob. I love how your voice never changes always calm and very clear with instruction. Precise just like your work..
I wouldn't like to piss him off though-not the kind to suffer fools!
You said part of the shop will be for metal work, I take it you mean nonferrous metals like brass and aluminum.
Thanks Rob, good lesson. My woodworking teacher 50 years ago used to bonk us on the head with a mallet if we didn't spell shuteing correctly. He said Shute not Shoot. CLONK. In light of the pain involved I feel it my duty to inform the world. Cheers from England.
and suddenly the name makes a whole lot more sense to me (
I think you may be right about the Ch. Too many bangs on the head. I'm just glad this teacher never took us for metalwork lessons.
Bread and Jam My teacher was really slick. If you weren’t paying attention to him and started talking to another student in class, he used to discretely signal to any nearby student and that student would give you a cocotazo. In Spanish in metaphorically means coconut landing on your head from a palm tree. The student would stick out his middle knuckle and pop you on the head really hard. Despite that, we all loved our teacher.
Nice video... but, I think people that really need a shooting-board don't have a table saw, miter saw, and all that other expensive equipment.
My grandpa taught me about planes and shooting boards but adding the part about the reverse chamfer to reduce tearout is genius. Thanks for teaching an old dog another new trick.
I finished mine yesterday. I used hard maple, since that's what I already had on hand from when I made the vise jaw for my Cosman Workbench last year. This design is a dream - it works beautifully. I was even able to use it while prepping the cleat. I put the whole shooting board on the workbench, between bench dogs, with some scrap wood to protect the edges of the shooting board from the brass dogs. Thank you for making this video - it was an invaluable resource. And I'd also like to offer a special thanks to Luther, who helped me - he even offered to call me to help over the phone, while I was trying to figure out why I couldn't get my plane to do what I was expecting.
Nice video! But...
Use a board in order to make another one... ?
Pretty awkward, isn’t it? hahaha
I need to make my FIRST one...
You and Paul Sellers are my favorite channels.I only started woodworking late in life 51,so i have a lot to learn,but i am not doing it for profit merely because i love doing it.
My question with this guy is - if you have this fully equipped workshop, why use a shooting board and a hand plane? Wouldn’t you just use a jointer? If you’re going to make a shooting board with a table saw (and maybe a jointer) your really don’t need one. No shit. Nice of him to show his work though, thanks Rob
Making this today!!!! My current board has the exact problem you described. Thank you Rob.
Hi Rob, please note that Cyano acrylate is highly allergenic and all skin contact when it is not hardened must be avoided!
Thank you.
Not to mention that every time I use CA I manage to glue myself to my workpiece at least once. You learn to keep some acetone handy to "let go". :D
A quick question, we all know that freshly glued surfaces will slide about under clamping pressure, I once saw a guy sprinkle salt in the glue to prevent sliding, does anyone have any thoughts?
Martin in England.
Going to make this in the morning. Then a 45 degree as well. Very helpful and good to see the hurried problems a master solves on the fly.
Since you need a shooting board to make a shooting board and I don't have one, I guess I cant make one? Why don't you show how to true up the cleats without a shooting board? PS, your lack of safety precautions with your tablesaw are disconcerting. Turn the saw off before moving the sled in place and stop rushing around near a spinning sawblade and wear safety glasses. Even cutting your rabbet edge was unsafe. Be a role model for how not to cut your finger off.....
Cyanoacrylate is indeed super glue, but it is not specifically for wood. In fact, it was developed in the medical field to close wounds without sutures. Unfortunately, the oils in our body collect under the glu interface, and the bond pulls apart. You can test that by gluing two fingers together. Wait a while, and you can easily pill the m apert.
Just wish I had a bigger workshop. You couldn't even fit your table saw into mine, let alone all the storage, or a workbench. Most of my tools have to be stored in a separate room, you couldn't knock the dividing wall down its 3 feet thick stone and the house would fall down!
Oh no! Not again! I need a shooting board to actually make a shooting board
The "dislikes" are the people wondering why you don't have an All American patch on your apron...
I thought at 25 min in when he said he was just going to stand there and hold it for 5 minute until the glue dries was a set up for a joke.... NOPE. This is the difference between people like Rob and Normies like me.
How much will you charge me to mack 2 shoting border 1 of each 90 and 45 degree
With a Shooting board I can get a square wood? I mean can it replace a jointer and plainer?
question. How am I supposed to do the bits that require a shooting board, in order to make a shooting board?
Simply Brilliant, thank you Rob you have the patience of a saint
Sometimes I get glue squeeze öüt too....but normally just glue squeeze out.
The cheek of my plane is not perfectly square to the sole. Any issues with that? I really dont want to have to worry about keep playing with the lateral adjustment lever every time i use it.
I was thinking layering painters tape in whichever area to raise it to be square?
Great video, but the audio was a struggle on this one. Not sure what's up because your videos are normally spot on.
So I have a question that I cant figure out. I understand the reason behind the cupping fault and the need to countering it. But I dont understand the tape going perpendicular (across the width of the board).
The board is already a bit cupped length ways so using it 'upside down' counters that yes, why add the tape to the width? Does the glue create a stress line across the width too?
Great video btw. Ive watched dozens and dozens of these and this one tops it. Love the channel and the explanations. Hooked.
Rob, have you played a little hockey? I noticed the wrap on your clamp handles....
couldn't you use the actual blade from the plane by extending it to cut the birch so it is at the exact hight and would then not interfere with the cut? I'm new so call me stupid if I am wrong.
Yes, however the blade does not always sit in the exact same place each time. It would eventually cut an acceptable rabbet, this is just much neater.
Is the top piece of Bubinga completely flush with the edge that the plane rides along, or did you set it slightly away from that edge?
set back a 32nd
Old saw blades work pretty good for spreading too.
Just finished building one. Making a Concert Ukulele and need a better way to join the top and bottom. Thanks for your insight and guidance. I like the cyano stuff. I use it on my lathe. I was at one of your Dovetail Seminars years ago and I bought a collection of tools. I have never regretted buying any of those tools. Thanks.
Wonderful video. Reminds me of the old saying: Better to teach someone how to fish than to bring them dinner.
Lmao, don't use a shooting board to make a shooting board if you're making a video about "how to make a shooting board"!
Rob can you show how to fix the fence as we may find out it is gone out of with use overtime, or right after the build...Thanks.
Could you explain a little more why you put a cupping in the base of the shooting board.
I really enjoyed the video……but what’s a shooting board?
I love your idea of tape on the clamp handles. Is that hockey tape, or?
Yes, stick tape. We sell a lot of it on our site, folks in the US have a hard time finding it and I use it to improve grip on screwdrivers, clamps, fret saw handles. www.robcosman.com
Could I get away with using 1/4" mdf instead of the birch?
Why rely on Baltic Birch for your guide of the lower plane edge.?
You mentioned using Bubinga for your register board on the top because I believe u said it had superior wear resistance.
So the question is Why not just use Baltic Birch?
how do you wake money
The track for the planner you said you soaked the wood with "cyanoacrylate" is that correct?
Great video! It would be nice if the cam don´t move. Thank you!
You mention that a person could use a finish on it. What finish would you recommend?
Can you get away with not cutting the rabbet? Don’t have a table saw.. or anything else that can make that type of cut.
Loved your video and how you trouble shoot while working. I had no issues with the audio. I will subscribe.
Yes, 15 minutes times ten to make, here, and that's being conservative.
WHERE - IS - MY - PENCIL ! ! !. I feel your pain.
So I’m curious. You make your shooting board with a cup. Let’s say you are going to make dinkey ears attachments for 45 and maybe 22.5 degrees. The donkey ears will be tall enough to accommodate boards 4 inches wide, so the board will somewhat vertical. So having a cup in the SB, will that negatively impact cutting the 45 or 22.5.
True, but the boards we make are for squaring the end of a component, 99% of the time.
So technically I need a shooting board to make a shooting board :)
I'm watching but not sold on your technique.
Is there a reason, other than being a woodworker, that a wood shooting board would be better than a metal one? It seems like a metal one one ensure there is no drift or wear over time, no?
Each time I watch you do something Rob, even if I have already seen you do it, I learn something new, pick-up an idea or a technique. I am grateful for all that you do and share with the world.
Oh, me too! Like, TIL an entire roll of shop towels makes a badass bench brush! XD
It's called shooting board because you say shoot a lot while building it
QUESTION! im new to woodworking, i built shooting board like rob instructed. i purchased a woodriver 5 1/2 plane a few months ago. im checking the squareness of the plane sitting on my shooting board...and its not perfectly square...its i believe by my eye 1/64 out of square...i check the 5 1/2 planes squareness and its exactly the same amount out of square...meaning the planes squareness from the sole to the side body.....i believe its the plane that isnt exactly square and not my shooting board. so is this 1/64th a big deal? i would like it to be perfect....did i get a defective 5 1/2 plane? im hoping for any advice, thanks and love all your videos Mr.Cosman
I started building mine Friday. I have 4 no. 5 planes to choose from and it one-off them is square bottom onto right side, Aaaarrrrgggg. P.S. you scare the crap out of me when you put your sled on a running table saw.
You should watch some videos of shingles being ripped on a bandsaw freehand! That is scary!
19:09 So what came first, the shooting board or the shooting board?
Good video, but it looks as if you need to have a shooting board to make a shooting board.
searching for a pencil...hahaha..........I use my shooting boards for matching guitars backs, and fronts, left and right...such a great class! building new shooting boards tomorrow..Thank you!
Rob,
Lie-neilson wants $500 for a shooting board plane, and their real nice.
But I'm broke.
What plane would work in its place?
Your plane looks like a no.7
Quick question: Why would you bother cutting the rabbit on the top platform before gluing and not simply gluing it to the bottom as it is and then adding the rabbit with the plane itself after everything is assembled? The plane blade would cut the rabbit into the top platform as you use the shooting boards and the bottom 6mm or so (depending on when the blade starts) would be untouched, creating a rabbit with the perfect height.
You’re right but when making these to sell, folks expect them ready to use. Only takes a minute.
so it 1/4" the thinnest you would recommend for the top?
I was just getting ready to make one of these and I'm a beginner.
Some thoughts I had on your video though. If someone has limited clamps (like myself) they probably don't have a pneumatic or battery nailer. I also don't already have a shooting board.
Otherwise, I'll be using a lot of the techniques you showed. I love the masking tape thing.
I don't have any as deep as you showed, I have 4 18" quick release bar clamps, 4 small c clamps, 2 large c clamps, and around 8 spring clamps. If I need more I'll snag them.
I guess my opinion was that a beginner is more likely (personally) to go buy more clamps to get the job done over a nailer.
It was more a thought than criticism. I really liked this video a lot and the timing was perfect.
If you don't have enough clamps, or clamps sufficient for the task, you could always try heavy weights to help apply pressure while the glue sets. I personally have never tried this, but I have seen a lot of videos where weights are used instead of clamps.
If I build this version of a shooting board I'll need to improvise as I don't have any deep reach clamps.
There are quite a few videos for DIY clamps as well so you might be able to find a solution there instead of using weights.
Put piece up on a few blocks, then clamps (of almost any size) all round. You may need cauls top & bottom if work pieces are big.
just a question: will you teach your students to remove the safety from their table saw? I know it is a saw stop in your shop, but what if your students can't afford one? (respectfully)
I spent 5 years with Dale Nish, one as his shop assistant and three as his teaching assistant. Dale always kept guard off the table saws. His reasoning, "if you see the blade you know what to avoid". Guards hide the danger and often cause the problem when people do things they wouldnt do if they saw the spinning blade. I agree!
@@RobCosmanWoodworking thanks for the response, I see the logic behind the reasoning, still I was taught never to remove it and it has been working for me, but please, do not read too much into this I was just asking and meant no disrespect. If I come across judgmental it is not my intension, I enjoy your videos very much. Again thank you for your time.
I will be adding this to my list, probably the next thing I build. What are you thoughts on hardwood jointed panel as the base? I built my cross cut sled from 5/4 Hard Maple, cut it into planks and edge jointed with a reversible glue joint router bit. It has stayed flat for years. Would this work with a shooting board?
Are you guys have audio issues? I'm only (or mostly) hearing you out of my left speaker...
Roganberg yeah it's out the left
Same here!
Just put the left ear piece in your right ear that should resolve the issue.
James Gallagher ;-) not really! It'd only invert it but not solve it...
Buy another left speaker but set it up on the right hand side.
Rob, what was the tiny plane that you used to chamfer with?
Michael Albro that’s a Lie-Nielsen No. 100 www.lie-nielsen.com/products/Model%20Maker%27s%20Block%20Plane?path=block-planes&node=4072
Rob, I have a shooting bard question for you regarding trimming bevels. I am building a jewelry case that has swinging doors with an inserted panel. The width of the frame is approx 3" wide, with a 45 bevel at each end. I am having a bugger of a time getting a good miter this way. The board is too wide to stand up so the only solution is laying flat, but how could you use a shooting board for that?
Lack of preparation leads to piss poor performance, worst than watching paint dry... Keep at it, you'll get it right..
Buzz off you loser!
Your shooting board looks like it solves all the problems, but there’s one thing I didn’t catch. Does the rabbet on the top board go on the top or bottom. Logic would tell me the relief would be on the top so the plane didn’t cut it, but I thought I heard you say it goes on the bottom. I’m a bit hard of hearing, Could you please help?
HI Bill, the rabbet is on the top, the lip is on the bottom to run against the sole of the plane below the blade. i think I may have said that incorrectly, good catch.
Agh... I feel like I'm on an ocean liner there at the beginning...
How am I going to make a shooting board without a shooting board?
What would be the implications with putting a strip of hardwood along the edge the plane rubs against? Also, noticed the hockey stick style grips on your clamps!
Man, the number of commercials makes this unwatchable.
OK Nate, back to regular TV! Good luck with those commercials!
Thanks :) not to hard. Think i will use my cnc to be more accurate in getting it square. Btw loved how the video is 29 minutes and you say: takes about 15 minutes 🤣
This will be my next project. (Need to get started ASAP before the price of lumber exceeds my car payment.)
So good to watch the master at work. Thanks for what you do.
Bob, what am I doing wrong? When using my shooting board with a general plane, I get chatting cuts when doing end gran but when I use a block plane I get a clean cut on end grans?
Sounds like a sharpening issue to me
Thanks for the video Rob. One question, you explain how to put the slight curve in it using masking tape, but what is the reason for it? Or did I miss that part?
If you made your mind up to buy a dedicated shooting plane would you get LN or Veritas?
LN, some may argue but “looks” matter!
or how to use a shooting board to make a shooting board XD
Rob, I watched a lot of you videos. They are exceptionally good instructions. I also built a 45 degree shooting board for making picture frames. I cut the wood piece at 45 but a bit longer and trim using shooting board. The Stanley #4 I used kept riding above the 45 edge instead of removing.
The hand plane blade is sharp. Could you tell me what have I done incorrectly. Thanks
Was having problems squaring up trim and insert panels for a project last week - FINALLY built a right-angle shooting board (in the middle of the project - better late than not at all). What a time and frustration saver - I'm a believer now! Built a 45-degree version before I get to that part of the project...
You're missing the 11th ACR patch!! Where should I send it?
Great videos. Any reason why you couldn't use a non-water based glue, like epoxy and eliminate warping?
Early in 2022 I built my first "bench accessory" shooting board using these instructions and it works a treat. It was rough build, using what scrap wood I had available, and I was very much still learning how to manipulate the wood and be accurate but even then I'm impressed how much of an improvement to my work this tool provided. I'd recommend anyone getting into woodworking and has a hand plane to create one, even if it is rough, as a stepping stone to greater accuracy with your projects.
I now plan to, carefully, build another one with everything I've learned since both using it and with woodworking practice.
I'm very conscious of the fact that Rob needed to use a shooting board in order to achieve the precision required in the build of a shooting board...