Minnesota Vikings are in love with multiple quarterbacks
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- Minnesota Vikings are in love with multiple quarterbacks. Are Kwesi Adofo-Mensah and Kevin O'Connell on the same page with draft strategy; The plan for Sam Darnold as defacto QB. 1; What does KOC's failure as a quarterback mean for the next QB drafted; The risky nature of drafting a quarterback; Latest mock draft update; Does Tom Brady want to come out of retirement; Rookie QB rankings from Chris Simms; Judd wants to know what black tie means; Justin Jefferson importance to winning a Super Bowl and more on Feedback Friday.
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Loved what the guys said about waitstaff treatment... This is very important stuff, glad to see they are on the right side of this issue. You guys were obviously raised right...
I would pay $199.99 on pay per view to watch a live feed of the Vikings war room on draft night. 🍿🍺
Yes. 100% unfortunately it won't happen. We see what shams did to the nba draft
I would pay at least $17 for that
I'm sure other teams would love that deal too lol
So would all other teams
It would need to be a 15 minute delayed feed but I’d still be interested.
When the chat was live Richard Manning made a genius statement. "The only thing that's stopping JJ McCarthy dropping to the Vikes at 11 is the Vikings moving up to 4 or 5."
🤣 sounds about right
might be true
Honestly think they got the second first round pick to get one of the top 3 QBs…if not, they’ll wait
And the only thing that's keeping you from being a multi-millionaire is not knowing next week's winning PowerBall number...but, if you want to win you still have to buy a ticket. HOW do you know McCarthy will be there at eleven anymore than you know the winning PowerBall number? You don't. If you want to gamble...fine. If you lose, don't whine about it. If you want to win - move up and take the quarterback you want and don't complain about it.
@@buckhorncortez doesn't mean he's wrong, though. This is the season of hot takes, criticizing every one of them is a full time job.
If Kirk gets us the 8th pick swapped, that'd be > than the playoff win
Yeah who knew we'd have to wait for him to leave for him to finally do something positive for the Vikings? Him openly talking about the tampering was just another brain cramp in a long line of brain cramps from the teeth gnasher. Ranking right up there with when he took a knee with Washington when he meant to spike the ball, running the clock out on himself, with him lining up under guard, and with him trying to huddle up against the Chargers when he should've spiked the ball or called a TO.
It did seem like the staff knew what they were “getting for Christmas presents” on Christmas morning lol
They seemed excited
Stream it, Judd cam is a must!
Phil, "I want the Wilfs to just kinda of calm down here"....LOL.
Release the draft video of Kwesi telling the Wilfs to sit the hell down, shut the hell up, and “let me do my job”
If you DON'T live stream Dex' reception l will unsubscribe & never watch again. You MUST do this. Remember we, the fans, the ones for whom this channel exists, partially OWN your lives. We are entitled to what WE decide we are entitled to.
We will riot
Judd has an actor’s guild interview vibe today. Can’t wait to see him enjoying multiple Surlys in two weeks in person. I feel we will Skol chant so loud at the Fillmore after Kwesi cooks the Vikes into contention. Can’t freakin wait!
Judd is right! We want the Rush and we want the great selection.
You MUST live stream the reception!!! You can’t dangle that in front of us then pull the offer back… sorry.
Done deal, I’m there with bells on!
I hear the NY Giants are looking to move up just like the Vikings. So trading up could be dicey if the Giants want the same QB we want. So the Vikings are smart to go into the Draft with multiple Plans. And I see no problem with the Vikings just staying put at #11 and #23 and getting their QB that way. The Patriots are gonna talk BIG now about a Trade. They start high, the Vikings start low you meet in the middle.
hell no........... the giants are drafting a wr
If the Giants go QB, the FO might be signing their walking papers. Not sure how ownership will feel about investing a first round pick at QB after signing Jones to that large contract. Maybe they will sign off but I’d be surprised as most ownership is risk averse.
Safer bet is they pick a WR or OL to help out their offense.
Think Giants might have a hard time trading up for a QB with 40 Million a year on books for Daniel Jones who can play.
Yes livestream the wedding ! Congrats Dex! We’re all here to support ya
We are? You might be but I am not! Don’t know him not related to him don’t care!
As a vikings fan of fifty years I have never seen the fanbase more dilusional and obsessed about certain players.
In years past it was about liking your team.
He will get traded soon enough.
Hopefully they follow him.
Well when your favorite team keeps kicking you in the nuts, you start asking some questions. If not, then you're just some yahoo suffering from stockholm syndrome.
50 years of losing leaves little to like.
@@debsmith7861 Actually the Vikings are one of the Winningest teams of those years. And 55 years ago we were NFL Champions.
Breaking Bad Judd 😂
Jud you've got a DEATH GRIP on that microphone 😂😂😂😂😂
lol like a glizzy
At least I can hear him better 😅
idk if its just the rush of the vikings trading up into the top 5 for the first time. Which is still pretty fun.
For me, its wanting to see this new staff put their plan in motion for one of the most, if not the most, important (and most expensive) position in football. We've seen this staff test drive and move on from an older expensive QB in their first couple years, along with other position groups. So to now be contemplating a scenario where they, like Judd mentioned, go all the way in the deep end, to go up and get their guy at #2 or #3 like Kwesi and KO are all out of bubble gum would be the first massive step in what could be, good or bad, an entertaining next few years.
It's like your at your friend's family cabin and you've climbed up the tree higher than anyone else with the sketchy rope swing that has been up since before they took lead out of everything, grabbed that crusty old rope as hard as you can, and finally pushed off from the tree. Where you fall, who knows, but everyone knows, once you push off, its way better to leg go of the rope at some point.
Laughed so hard at a couple of comments made here. Mackey saying Judd should replace a hand with a flag. And Judd saying he has started the more casual movement. Guys were hilarious.
Judd Cam would be like those cat PoV videos, but even better!
Dave is spot on. I got excited when we traded back to 32 for Teddy.
I have a feeling the Vikings are going to draft 2 defensive players in the 1st round with their picks. Depending on who they want they may even trade down multiple times in order to accumulate more draft capital possible getting a 2nd and 3rd round picks. Their big move might be trading back into the 1st round by using their 2025 1st & 3rd round picks so they can draft a QB late in the first round. The sleeper pick might possible be Bo Nix, so they can get the 5 year option. If they truly want Maye or McCarthy I think Kwesi might be signaling to the fans that they might be on the verge of trading 3 or possible 4 1st round picks in order to get their guy. But hearing Kwesi talk about loving several players I think he might be looking at what I said in the beginning.
There is no problem here! Kwesi puts KOC in power to rank draft top QBs & analyze their fit for the “KOC offense” They communicate 24/7 with each other. Kwesi & KOC then analyze team slots & draft capital for trade up & trade back deals they believe (Kwesi) is best use of draft capital. There is no dysfunction here. Right?
Would love to know forno’s/miles/thors thoughts on late round sleepers: Gabe Hall 6-6 291 DT from Baylor with a 9.25 RAS and Jacob Monk 6-3 308 OG from Duke w a 9.74 RAS
Yes, they have a plan, plan A, plan B, plan C, etc
As a fan of this channel I have to address some bias that I am seen when it comes to how you all cover the team because your voices carry weight. If some has went wrong with the team it is Kwesi fault and if something went right it is KOC. You even keep trying to spread the idea the Kwesi and KOC are on the same level but correct me if I'm wrong but Kwesi hired KOC and Kwesi is the GM so there is no question who makes the call in my mind. If it was up to KOC he would not have to go over to Kwesi and convince him to take Addison. They work together but don't get it confused Kwesi is in charge. But now the thing I have a big problem with and I argued with fans on this page about. When Addison got in trouble for speeding because he had a animal emergency the 3 of you and the fans killed him for it. He wasn't under any influence he was rushing to take his pet somewhere but people were talking about how he could have killed someone and compared him to Henry Ruggs. Now our OC got a DWI and no one is killing him and you all are just making jokes about it. Making it light hearted
Today we discuss giving ownership of the team for the 5th overall pick… is it worth it?
Are you seriously considering doing a podcast at your wedding? That's legit dedication!!! Respect
Old Mackey Mack and Judd on fire today great show fellows
Declan....
start Chandler. he has Emmitt Smith comps. super quick. into the secondary before linebackers can react. he's an excellent receiver. he averaged 15 carries a game at NC.
give him 20 touches - 15 carries and 5 receptions - on average
Jones can pick up from there
Kirk Cousins may or may not have ever done it for the Vikings but he was smart he knows how to make money that's for damn sure and he was fun to watch even though I didn't want him in the beginning
I'm with DeClan. Jones is a great signing.
As far as a trade up, the Vikings don’t need to include next year’s first. It would be an overpay that surpasses SF’s overpay for Lance. Even including the 2026 1st is more than the SF deal.
The comment read on the show from Dan got it right. Kwesi went hard to move up for Richardson last year. He is not JUST a trade back add picks guy but it's job to entertain those ideas. ANY way to improve the roster should be explored. We keep talking about moving up for a QB. The bust rate on the QBs you want to spend 2 picks on is WORSE than the S and CB at the spot we got then. So they didn't pan out. You take the best shots you can and live with the results. Curry doesn't make every 3 but he's dang sure taking them given a chance. Don't get shy either way now. Evaluate, maneuver as best you can for the guys you like most, and do it. If you think Penix is .1% worse than Maye, JJ, and Daniels but they are all same tier and you can put 2 more 1sts on the roster with him this and next years vs trading them to move up for Maye, then you wait on Penix. I mean the guys comp is Tua just larger and more atheltic. Would we trade a 1st for Tua right now?
I would love at least Declan’s speech. This has an Australian country wedding feel.
sports dad rocking the boat
The job of O’Connell and Kwesi is to make the “coin flip” analogy true for others and not true for the Vikings. They need to properly vet the players they pick yes, but they can always make a mistake. Where they can’t make a mistake is in maximizing potential of the players that are selected. If they really believe they have the system, they should be willing to see how the draft plays out and pick where they are comfortable. To me it seems they don’t intend to put the 2025 first round in the mix and lean on their system if it isn’t enough.
Our IOL and IDL/CBs are not even close to ready to compete for SB. Mackey off the rails on that take.
Yes thank you.
Pick 11 is a very big swing on a player. The 42% success rate on QBs in the first 3 rounds must have a very low threshold for success. Most analysis I see has success on first round QBs at no more than 20%.
Depends on what you consider a "success". In my own analysis, only 27 (29%) of the 93 first round QB's since 1961 went on to pass for more than 20k yards in their career, and 29 (31%) threw for more than 150 TD's. BUT! Those are much higher rates than QB's chosen in any other round. AND that doesn't include any of the QB's chosen in recent years obviously, so TBD on the final results because now it's a lot easier to reach the 20k and 150 TD thresholds.
@@purplepainforums Yep and those are the first rounders. This person was saying 42% of QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds were successful.
I would hope you guys would get KOC on the show for the 3rd year in a row. It depends only on you guys. He wont turn you down. You guys are one of the top 10 FOOTBALL shows in NFL FOOTBALL. Why wont he? Get him on, PLEASE?
Whatever decision we make i hope it's the right one to bring uS to the promise land fr
As far as the QB class goes, Judd is right. This is a great year to draft QB. Penix and Nix would be top 15 picks some years.
But if the turnaround for Payton and the Broncos won't be quick, why would they give up the farm and just ignore the rest of their roster.
Plz live stream the wedding! I think this would compete with the cousins trade live stream!!
QB of the future could be on the roster already
Everyone is getting the draft room convo with kwesi and KOC from last year wrong. KOC wasn't demanding that kwesi pick Addison he was having a chill convo with him as Kwesi was on the phone with some other team discussing a trade and KOC said "does the offer blow you away?" Kwesi said no and KOC replied with "well there's your answer" and that was it. You guys are making it sound like it was way more dramatic than it really was
Who knows except brass
Was he giddy pr just excited
I have said if a trade is tucked away,don't be surprised the team moving back, asked Kwesi to be quiet.....THEY DONT WANT TO TIP THEIR HAND.. because they don't want people sliding upto tak their playe(s)
Yes!! Stream the wedding!!
sportsdad rocking the draft boat again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about guys who are drafted and don’t start week one or sit for a full year, what would the percentages be on that
There is lots you don’t know true , but your getting warmer
Phil, I like your Mr. T shirt.
Do General Managers have a "deal in good faith" code? What I mean is, could Kwesi have a deal in place, such as if Drake May is available at pick #3 I will give you (11, 23 and next years first) for that pick. Follow up: Can Kwesi trust this agreement, or could someone else sweep in and up the price? Finally, is there an example in Draft History, where someone thought they had such a good faith trade agreement, contingent upon whatever, but then the said GM betrayed the trust, and took a better deal?
Follow up: Would Kwesi be naive to think there is honor in this type of thing, or would this be foolhardy?
I bet he has a deal with 3, 4 and 5! He has set the table and will make the call as the draft begins.
If the Vikes are trying to decide between Maye and McCarthy they should look at all Ricks thoughts on which QB he would take.....And then draft the other guy 100% winner !!
Seeing a lot of steam of some reworking Atlantas pick due to tampering. Most sights say league could trade the 8th and 11th for tampering.
If you give up multiple First round picks for a QB he better dam well be a starter on day 1.
Not always how it goes - Pat Mahomes sat a year. I do believe that anyone of the top 6 QBs will not start til KOC says they are ready. This is a 15 yr investment. Denver doesn’t have the cash or the draft capital - Thanks to Russell Wilson Fiasco. Money & Picks problems.
Packers have done ok not doing that
@@MD-hq2ch Agree but Packers gave away the coveted 5 year cheap rookie QB contract and are gonna have to cut some good player due to QB going from 5 mill to 50 Mill a year. I want Vikes to have the 5 yr Super Bowl window open if their QB hits this draft.
Welcome to Iowa Judd!
Congrats on the wedding Dex. Imho don’t livestream any of it for content. Instead just give us highlights on the following PD
What if they went up to 4 pre draft then up to 2 draft night for Jayden Daniels? That'd be a rush but maybe a very smart rush
For the last 20 years the percentage rate of hitting on your QB in the first round is 1000 times higher than every other round combined. For rounds 2 through 7, the success rate of hitting on a QB is less than 1%.
Do you guys talk about Atlanta tampering and it happened last year five minutes before the draft two teams swapped picks. I see Vikings drafting 8 and moving up to five giving up the eight and a third keeping the 23rd
Drafting a qb isn't a risk. trading 3 or 4 1st rd picks for one is.
Miced up judd oh yeaaaa
I wrote "NO TIP" once. Our waitress brought us tepid water and then promptly forgot about us for nearly 2 hours. I flagged down another waitress at least 3 times so she could remind our waitress we were still waiting. Didn't work. I know you guys hate to admit it, but some waitstaff deserve to have their pay docked. No tip is getting off easy.
There's a very strong chance that this is Declan's only wedding so we definitely need a stream.
Declan invite all pd to the party lol 🤣
I think it's fine right now to pay JJ! PPL are too caught up in the money... but the Vikings situation right now is in a good position as they don't have a top $ QB to pay. Yes, it would be good to be spread around, but Vikings need pieces from the draft more than going after a high priced FA/trade.
Phil can't get his jeopardy clicker to work
The QB bust rate is higher than all others in rounds 1 and 2. This is BECAUSE the position is so important that it's WORTH taking additional risk.
omg you guys , I have to say , I am an executive head chef at a steakhouse chain , and I could not agree more with all of your takes about how cringe it is to be in the party with someone that is a dock to serve staff , I hate it , I see it regularly , I'm sure all the stories Decs fiance has said I have also seen in real life , either way if jj Mccarthy is asking for a new steak after he ate 3/4 of it and said he hated it , "I ordered it mw plus but it came out well done and dry " , then I'm out !!! he won't be a leader of men!
He didn't say thirty years at girdt he started out by saying the last decade. Judd cant even remember what happened on his own show
Toyota and Honda built great companies by finding ways for their senior managers to (a) disagree vehemently (b) stay friends and (c) find a consensus that works.
I believe Kwik (Quick?) Stars are an Iowa thing.
Regarding the rattler and penix discussion. I am fine with us picking them up... But picking them early without an understanding of where they wouldve fallen would be a terrible decision... Because you could get them later in the draft.
Clearly Kwesi doesnt play that game, so i dont think that will happen
The vikings wanted anthony richardson last year because they wanted an ultra athletic qb that can overcome pressure.
The vikings are most likely targeting Jayden Daniels.
Sure but if you take size and weight into the equation Drake mate actually makes more sense
That report was completely blown up by Paul Allen last week when he said there was absolutely no huge trade offer made by the Vikings to trade up for Richardson.
My understanding is they tried really hard to get Stroud. (Some media mistakenly reported Young but that made no sense for KOC scheme and preferences.) Vikings also inquired about trading up for Richardson, but my understanding is that it was for a lesser offer commensurate with the value of the draft position and their perception of the prospect.
They likely have some similar internal cutoffs with the various prospects this year based on internal ranking and draft trade position needed. (Of course, they are probably willing to spend more this year since they do not have a starting caliber QB on the roster just a fringe/reclamation project.
You are correct sir
But then they traded for a QB mid season who's pretty good at avoiding pressure and they never took advantage of it. Instead they tried to turn him into Kirk Cousins. I laugh at the rumors they wanted Richardson. He would've busted hard under KOC and his one page playbook.
Name a draft pick trade where Kwesi hasn't overpaid or was under compensated. . Can maybe argue the Packers trade in 2022. Maybe.
Mackey 4 months ago wouldnt be scurred
2 minute updates, this just just in.
Fans that are scared to draft a qb in the first round is ridiculous. Phil said it perfectly, if you fold on every hand you will never win. You have to risk it for the biscuit.
Draft party 👇
The Vikings played better when Jefferson was out hurt because they were not trying to focus on getting the ball to him to keep him happy.
They used everyone on the team and called the best play for the situation. When Jefferson is in the game they force balls his direction even when its not the best play.
This guy and his contract will be the dimise of this team.
I actually think you are right and wrong....what I think they should do is add a baller WR 2, that will in effect do what you are talking about. Grab rome adunze if available at 11
Bullshyt. Addison defaulted to 1 and everyone knew that. Luckily Hock was there to be Cousins go to when Addison was covered.
It’s convenient how Kwesi is more open because Kirk isn’t here to cry when he talks accurately about him
Judd Cam!!!!
Pernicious is not yet right word. That means highly injurious or destructive. I think they meant Precarious. Lol
The Vikings are planning to change their uniform, they should change the Gold in the uniform to the Gold that New Orleans and San Francisco use, when the Rams changed theirs in 1999 they won their first Super Bowl. With the Vikings White uniform they should use that San Francisco color Gold Pants with white and purple stripes.
i thought kwesi said they were in love with multiple PLAYERS, not multiple QB's.
If the "rush" involves trading 2025's 1st for anybody other than Daniels, then that's the rush of skydiving without a parachute.
Valid point with kirk vs JJ comparison but Kurt was getting paid top 5 qb money being 10th at best and JJ is arguably the best wr in the league. You pay for what you get unfortunately with JJ its understandable.
I see what you're trying to say, but that's faulty logic. You also must take into consideration the importance of the position, and unfortunately the WR position just doesn't move the needle where it matters, unlike the QB position. We went 1-8 with the worlds best WR in the lineup, and 5-2 without him. We're only 30-30 overall with him in 4 years with only one playoff appearance. A playoff game where he was pretty much a nonfactor. Only 2 of the top 25 highest paid WR's helped their team get to the divisional round this year (Deebo and OBJ) but neither were contributing factors. Can you even remember the last time a WR was the entire difference in a playoff game or was the reason a team went on a playoff run? Doesn't happen, so it's silly to pay a WR like a QB, not even the best WR ever. Especially if you could swap him for some valuable draft capital. Plus the Vikings have never had trouble finding good to great WR's. In general they're not as difficult to find as QB's. You don't need the best WR's to succeed as a team, you only need decent.
Chicago must love this current environment where everyone thinks it’s crazy if they don’t pick Caleb (bombastic side eye) put me in your ear or on the air and I’ll tell you something 😮you couldn’t possibly imagine that can answer to that not being a crazy thought
I think everyone would do well to just take deep breath; whoever the Vikes take at QB whenever they take him will be awesome! After all, nobody here really knows anything about playing QB,
I ain't going to any wedding with a dress code.
I think the Vikes would move to 3 for Maye only. Not Daniels.
Sam Darnold is being slept on. Im not so sure he doesnt end up better than the qb that they draft
Talk to Tom Brady about being a Viking for one year. Is that a crazy idea?😜
Love you guys but really? Of course any QB they go to lunch or dinner etc is going to be nice. It's a first date. Vikings scouts have been watching these guys on the field and off for years.
Rick Vaughn black tie 40:08
Give me that pure Columbian Card rush.
I have the patience to wait and see if the juice is worth the squeeze.
I don't want to see them try to turn lemons into lemonade anymore
Judd can would be AMAZINGGGGGG!!!!
Yes live stream it boys😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Funny how Judd thinks low of every QB except Drake Maye and totally dismisses the bust warnings from Chris Sims amd Merrill Hodge like they know nothing about football.
There are far more who put Drake Maye #2 overall than those who think he’ll bust.
See the PFF mock in this video for an example.
Speaking of tipping. Don't. It's an exploitative practice employed by restaurants and other businesses as a means of avoiding paying their workers a living wage, and its history is deeply rooted in racism and exploitation.
The rest of the world looks at tipping as either being deeply offensive, or as something you do only for exceptional service which goes above and beyond what is expected, and is on top of a worker's already reasonable wages.
There are three approaches to dismantling the American culture of tipping:
1. We legislate it away
2. Tipped employees strike for real wages
3. Enough customers stop tipping that it drives tipped employees to strike for real wages, or drives them out of those positions thereby necessitating businesses to abandon that model in favor of paying employees a living wage in order to even have employees to begin with
As the customers, we can advocate for legislation while refusing to tip. That is, we can push for #1, while doing #3. And we can tell our friends and family who work tipped jobs to do all three.