This Physicist Works for a Bank: Jobs for Math/Physics Majors
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Sean Mattingly earned a PhD in particle physics and completed a post-doc at Fermi National Lab before entering his career at Bank of America where he now serves as a senior vice-president. In this talk, he argues why math/physics majors should consider non-academic careers and what distinguished value those trained in the hard sciences bring to business. Presented at the Andrews University math/physics colloquium.
Granted I only have a BS in math, but his comment about constantly feeling stupid resonates deeply with me. I did well and graduated with ~3.8 major GPA but have always struggled convincing myself that I’m capable and have something to offer.
Get out there and work in business, man. Learn how to sell yourself. I can promise you that you have a million times more to offer than most business school grads. Outside of accounting, most business school classes are fluff courses as far as I'm concerned. Learn how to leverage your analytical capabilities and really sell that, and you can do a million times more in finance and banking than most people who are actually doing that.
By the way -- I currently work in banking (as a business banker, which is on more of the sales side of things). I'm a former business major, and I'm flirting with the idea of going back to school to study math (bachelor's level) and/or economics (grad level) so that I can work in some of the other departments that the presenter talked about. He's absolutely right when he says that these jobs are out there. And you'd honestly have the upper hand to land some of those positions over someone like me any day of the week (even with my 5 years of banking experience).
Going thru my math bachelor’s now and ditto
Imposter syndrome. I get it too even after i literally just did something cool
Literally feel the same
This has to be some alternate universe in which Post Malone goes to school and goes into academia and now works for BoA.
And is taller and no tats.
Very inspiring to hear as an undergrad physics student and as someone who loves to teach :) love the vid thanks for the upload!
Great speaker and such an inspiring person!
very inspiring talk, thanks a lot, it is very helpful!
Glad to hear it!
As a former andrews student who may return, I am glad to see a video like this. Even if one is not adventist or christian, andrews has decent physics, engineering, and math programs for such a small school.
update: last year Dr. Kutzner retired. One of the coolest teachers at Andrews. Taught there for 35 years.
Great video!
Kudos to the guy who asked that good question at the end
My background is in mathematics and engineering (now retired). I did much number crunching and teaching. I can say that Sean is spot on.
Very encouraging :)
Are you being sarcastic?
I've had a few graduate level classes that I've really enjoyed--operations research, stats, numerical analysis
Thanks for the viewing suggestion!
I have a PhD in mechanical engineering and I'm doing product demand forecasting. I like it. A lot.
Thank you for this video.
Another physicist!
This is one the best videos on yourube
I do like the detail and Andrews may be expensive but is a decent school for engineering, physics, and math and a few other things.
I work as a Recruiter and I am looking for a Quantitative Analyst for our Malta office. Please share with me if you know some communities where I can share these kind of of vacancies. I require candidates with studies in Physics or Mathematics. Thanks :)
the work may be interesting, but the end product is banking efficiency which is not, compared to trying to understand the nature of reality.
Yeah, feeling bad about math, so hard and still learning. And hopefully get excited career like Sean said, just starting industry job.
Math is hard for all of us! Hang in there - half the battle is just sticking to it.
I wish I had the brain capacity to get degree in physics or math.
If only employers would see this presentation...
I'm a Maths major and thanks for that information. I'm really motivated.
You need to give them this presentation yourself! Although getting an interview is step 1...
he takes everything in a very positive way.
What about a little bit of HIV)d/x?
Never forget self-selection bias: thousands of physics/mathematics majors who did not make it.
the man speaking in the video does not have self-selection bias because he himself did not make it. He failed to become a professor.
Wow 😮
Key takeaway is to have connections.
I doubt someone applying to be a manager with a PhD / Postdoc will ever get past an application tracking system, and if so, the HR manager will just say the candidate is over qualified.
Its always key to have connections. Look for the positive!
Well of course you don't automatically get a manager position after grad school , as it requires certain business expertise. But a PhD in physics/maths is a good credential for many jobs with very good career choices, if one knows how to properly go through the whole application process. In some years you can of course become a manager.
Unfortunately, his coworkers watched this video later and beat him up in the parking garage.
The perfect quantitative degree does not (yet) exist to my knowledge. Engineers generally work in a specific industry or take management jobs. Maths and physicists are left to fill a gap, they are good but those degrees are huge overkills to work in banks. They are not tailor made data scientist, but they have what it takes. Industry needs a new kind of quantitative degree.
I would propose the mathematics courses of a physics major ( about 5 courses) + about 5 cs courses. + about 10 statisics courses. Add some industry specific stuff and electives and you have the perfect data science bachelor. The closest to that is a statistician, but I agree physicists/mathematicians are awesome.
How's mechatronics then?
Mathematical economics is the perfect quant degree
And what if you do a double major math+physics ? What that makes you ? a mathematician or a physicist ?
Both, or either. Depends what you are at heart, and how you think. You may even be a fusion of both by being a mathemathical physicist :) or a physical mathemathitician?
Getting an undergraduate degree in physics does not make you a physicist, it's just a major.
@@james_win one can self study physics without a degree to a point where they’re doing their own theoretical research and I would definitely class that person as a physicist.
@@Mikebigmike94 To get the research published without a degree would not only make the hypothetical person a physicist, I would go one step further and class that said person a genius...akin to Ramanujan, I suppose.
Would have been better to minor in finance or computer science or accounting
36:55
Murex?
Physics and mathematics are good degrees however they don't compare to engineering, tech or business related degrees in a financial manner. Physics and mathematics degrees should only be considered if A) you enjoy maths and/or physics alot, B) you are pretty decent at maths, your theoretical and are willing to study everyday for a few hours, C) you either are okay not going into physics/maths related fields and instead going into the business, engineering or software field or are okay with doing a PHD, which is grueling work. This is why most of the time physics and mathematics arent the best degrees at a bachelor's or masters level or for you lifetime earnings, however if you want to do a PHD and go into R&D and work on new technologies, theorems ECT or become a professor it's worth it.
Not really. Math degree is amazing first degree and teaches you really complex thinking skills that you can then apply to more vocational masters
There are some who choose the hard sciences because they have difficulties with interpersonal relationship skills. But those skills are absolutely mandatory in the business world.
Scientists are not "better" people, they just focus on a certain constellation of skills. When you go out into the business world, you'll see people who excel there are focusing on a different package of talents.
This presenter may have benefited from an era where people of his kind were rare in the financial world and he also happens to have good managerial instincts that he didn't know he had. If more physics PhDs flood into banking they will go from curiosity to commodity.
from what I understood from the video all he is saying is that different package of talents/skills comes extremely handy in all sectors and extremely rewarding in the finance sector .
This is not quite accurate in real world. Same like entrepreneurs. If someone show a startup and you also can be same like them, that is not quite right. There are 1000 failures out there that no one talks ,when there is one success one. That is the REALITY. You can still got GPA 4.0 and can be a failure. There should be skill, Knowledge, luck and take right decisions at right time. ....Good Luck
Physics is all theory, the brightest actually gets sht done.
the brightest created these theories
No, there are Applied, Experimental, and Theoretical Physics. Physicist are constantly working on Laser/optics systems, Biophysics in private company labs, Fussion Energy, Condensed matter with microchips, Plasma Physics, and much more.
Yeah, I studied Math and Physics. It was a wasted eight years. Outside of academia, there are virtually no jobs for either field. If I had it to do over again I would study IT. If you're considering Math or Physics, reconsider.
Don't listen to this guy lol another one of the 1000 pessimist people out there. If you can't find any jobs with a physics or math degree that is your fault.
such a toxic comment
You mean to get into the oversaturated-cutthroat-mass layoffs IT job market?
Nonsense. You learn to apply it in the real world
@@davidc4408 There are damned few jobs outside of academia for someone with a degree in either Math or Physics and the jobs that do exist are poorly paid.
You can start at 9:42. This guy may be brilliant but he still hasn't quite mastered getting to the matter at hand quickly. Which, as he will surely know, is quite infuriating for smart people. Get to it!
Thanks @Chac Mool- appreciate it 👍🏽
You are one of individuals lagging behind the time because you keep talking about companies while such forms of economic activities have become obsolute, and will be replaced by other forms of economic activities when human labour forces can be economically replaced by robots and other automated systems. At the moment, some repeated jobs which do not require a lot of creativeness have already been moved from human labour forces to automatic machines. The reason why such inevitable occurrences have not happened in far much lager scales is that the costs of maintenance of automatic machines are still higher than using the working class for emmployers to replace the majority of the emplyees with such automatic machines, and hire only engineers for the mainteenance of the automatic systems . But it will be soon when human developments in high tech have reached the point when it allows the costs of maintaining automated systems to be lower than using human labour forces, there will be an unprecedented massive amount of people suddenly pusshed out of work, especially in unregulated or pure capitalist countries
I had wrtten about two economic models of global future macro-economics one year before the financial crisis hit the USA and the rest of pure capitalism following countries in 2008
All economists and professors of economics with phd degrees are ignorant individuals teaching outdated theories to those who pursuing knowledge of economics at universities, i must say
Lmao futuristic and overgeneralizing much?
Never underestimate the lethargy and inertia of human societies. Automatic Machines (I assume you mean AI) will be like a rocket engine strapped to a really big rock that is us. We will have enough weight to keep it from taking off and leaving us behind for good.
How do you say "long-winded" and "pompous" in Physics-speak?
I only watched till 21:49. I lost interest because the pace was too slow and repetitive. Which is infuriating for smart people. He should know this. Also, I heard nothing here that would not apply broadly to engineers. In fact, engineers bring to the table a certain real-world pragmatism that often hard scientists lack.
You're not smart, you're impatient.
@@richardperez6945 I am actually both.
This is a pathetic and self-righteous input, I'm sorry.
@@JordanMcCaughey yeah...i thought the same...
bro rlly thinks hes smart calm down lil bro ur ego too big 😂😂