Testosterone and Driving
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- In this clip, my viewer must get in front and then has to back down really quickly.
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Over the more than forty years I've been driving, I've learned to calm down. It makes the journey so much more enjoyable. Who cares if someone overtakes me, or gets away from the lights before me? I don't. As long as I get to my destination safely, I'm happy. The road is not a race track, and driving isn't a competition.
I love seeing folks get to the red light ahead of me, and I roll through the green.
Spot on, mate. I've done the whole hair-trigger shtick, got the tee-shirt (and some left over ones to give away). Nowadays, I'm much more 'lerrum gerron wiyit'.
@@inyobill Ah yes, I can totally relate to that. You get ahead of a "faster" driver without even trying!
I'm a learner and I already feel this way. I'm doing what I need to do (as best I currently can) to keep myself, any passengers, and other road users safe within my own actions. I wont be intimidated by what other road users WANT me to do. I love seeing the insanity of other (experienced) drivers get annoyed and frustrated by safe and legal driving that I do - says a lot about the person in the other car.
@@KaitonelI'll be calling them names on the inside but in reality I'm not mad😅 just annoyed that they pass me to go the same speed
It still baffles me that this person got so triggered by just someone getting ahead of them at the lights. To aggressively tailgate and nearly crash is too much over something so trivial.
Thank you.😄
My sentiments exactly
I was driving the cam car. I was NOT racing. I did NOT brake check, I tried to bring the car to a slow stop as he was centimetres away from my bumper. I got away from the lights quicker, but then had to moderate my speed as I did go over the speed limit. The audio is muted because of personal information.. It`s a 3 cylinder fiesta. 😅 He was in the right turn or straight on lane. I got away from the lights quicker that's all. He obviously did not like it. Hence the aggressive tailgating, and the reason I pulled over to let him pass as I thought he was going to ram me off the road. Thank you..
@@doglikesparkyfly Why get away from the lights quicker if you are going to be held up by the speed limit?
@@user10184 The same could be said of the van driver. Usually if they are in that lane at that junction, they are turning off, i.e. right. What would you suggest that I did, and would you have done differently ? I was not making a point, or trying to beat anyone away from the lights. Do you think that I deserved the aggression just because I was away first ?
i was doing the limit on a country road the other day on my motorbike, when a nob in a tesla just had to overtake then swerve on a bend to get into my safe gap, showing how quick his accelleration was, and then spent the next 5 miles waiting behing the 3 cars in front i was hanging back for. at the next T-junction i just filtered past them anyway. since i started biking it's made me safer and more aware even when im my car that pissing about on the road gets you nowhere quick, except possibly the hospital. GL
Both ragging it about like they’ve got 5 minutes to live, yet all the time in the world to park up and have a tantrum together in the bus stop 😂
That’s the joke of it all. People rush so much when they are on the road. Like a mental illness. No doubt they will happily waste hours every day looking at rubbish on their phones but can’t get held up for 2 seconds on the road.
True. But it's well known that a rush of adrenaline, or even just plain anger, clouds objective thinking and renders some people unable to use basic common sense.
Just passed my test around 40 minutes ago with 1 minor! Your videos helped me so much and really helped me to pass my test! Keep doing what you're doing and thank you for all that you do!
Fantastic Job Luke! Keep safe 👊
Just make sure you don't start road raging now that you passed.
Great teaching telling people to accelerate away positively. So many people dawdle off the line, casing problems further back and restricting traffic flow. You’ve been given a right foot - use it!
It’s not just testosterone… I’m female and I’ve still driven like an absolute d1ck at times, easily triggered, etc. I have no excuses! What changed it for me was driving my very poorly dog to the vet when I thought she was literally dying. I drove so calmly and carefully so as to not have the car movements upset her in any way, trying to be a smooth as possible. That made me realise there was another way to drive and I’ve been doing that ever since. She was absolutely fine as well in the end :)
Have you caught up with ogmios school of zen motoring yet - for advanced calm skills.
If it makes you feel better I’m a woman who was similar, I would get so mad at small things while driving lol. I think it was because I hated my job at the time because I’ve been much calmer since I left there. Glad to hear your dog is doing okay!
I did get angry from time to time, but now never do as the road is no place for it. My main choice of transport nowadays though is bicycle. Not bothered about bad driving as fully aware of what is going on around me and know what car drivers gonna do before they do.
Have reported a few though due to their attitude.
I have seen women do their make up while driving through a roundabout. Yes definitely not just testosterone for sure.
And you just revealed so much about yourself, fantatico
Your viewer forgot that a white van is the fastest moving object in the observable universe, best not get in the way.
Exactly Ashley, we’re doing it for safety and for best flow, you make a very good point, you have to know when the best time is to accelerate and get out of there or drop back and fit in behind, that’s why being staggered is so important, never be next to another vehicle and never arrive at the same time and at the same point as anyone else, either be in front or behind, the 2 drivers at the end of the video, 2 egos trying to feel good about themselves, it doesn’t matter who goes first, you’ll both arrive together at the next set of red lights, but honestly, the car driver should have noticed that the white van wanted to go first so he should of let him go ahead, both were driving terribly but the white van was way too close, he’s pretty much almost touching the back bumper of the car, I hope he got reported to the police, honestly it’s immature how they both acted but thankfully the van driver didn’t get out and beat up the car driver, a few years ago I was out on my bicycle cycling and the road narrows on both sides, I saw a car coming towards me so I slowed down and pulled over to make it easy for the car driver to get past me, he stops, winds down his window and he shouts at me “what the f**k do you think you’re going!?” which I replied “the road narrows so I pulled over to make it easy for you to get past, what do you think I’m doing?” and he jumps out of his van and I had to escape because he was going to beat me up, going through experiences like that change you and your life and no matter how tough you think you are it’s very scary as you could easily end up getting stabbed or shot these days, life lesson learnt, whenever you go out driving you will always see people doing crazy stupid things while driving, just let them get on with it, don’t react and don’t get involved no matter how tempting it is, by not reacting and by not saying anything you’re not sinking down to their level, you’re being the better man.
Had it an 1hr ago on the way home, horrible rain, traffic getting annoyed and impatient, I came off a motorway onto a roundabout into and straight into road works.
On the roundabout a BMW came acceleration through on the inside lane,
As we came off the roundabout he was Side by side with me on the bend [I was trying to keep a staggered formation but he came bombing through]
As the road straightened up you can see the road works and that his lane was closed.
The BMW gives a panic brake reaction and slows so that we are fully side by side and he then indicated to filter in.
I could see that he was agitated and impatient and his car body language suggested he might want to fight over road space,
so I immediately eased off and made a gap in front and let him in.
He was then full of happy thank-you’s hand waving for having being let in,
I cost me nothing in time because we were all in a slow moving queue, and he went away happy with a better demeanour because someone was nice to him.
Sometimes though we do make errors in judgement and helping fix problems over making them worse is always best for all. Also it's good to remember all drivers are not of the same level of experience or mindset. It's not just the car they drive.
A while ago my youngest brother needed a new car, so went down to his and drove him to view a few. He's not long past his test in his thirties.
I was telling him about staggering and not being alongside a car. When a car that was in the wrong lane in front just cut across into our exit lane. Few weeks ago I was in traffic at the same junction and the markings weren't clear The left lane goes off to the left. So I was in the wrong lane and had to move into left myself. I did it safely but it dawned on me then. The driver was like me not local and just didn't know but made a poor late decision. Where I am more experienced and make it a lot sooner.
We are always still learning.
By all means, let it go for the sake of safety and piece of mind. But don't kid yourself that he will go away with a fresh mindset after your wise decision. He'll just reset to default and carry on being the aggressive and impatient driver he is until he gets banned or stops driving.
As said above. This is why I never let queue jumpers in and why i get so annoyed when the car in front of me let's one in. These people do it every day BECAUSE someone will always let them in, thus continuing the enabling of their entitled arrogance. Not me, I do my little bit to make their life awkward but I don't kid myself that I make them think about their actions or that they are going to change their ways.
@@paulharper4196 So long as I'm not risking my or anyone else's car, I'll do my best not to let them in either.
Yes it cost you nothing but the beamer driver didn't learn jackshit and will keep driving like a moron. It is what it is.
The van edging forwards at the lights in the viewer clip is the giveaway to their mindset. It sounds like the cammer's car might have a bit of guts, but seriously, always keep the eejit in front of you. Taunt an idiot, get idiot behaviour. All to end up several cars behind and the possibility (with the brake-check stop) of a mild prang that _will_ cause way more hassle than you need.
To butcher Mark Twain's words: “Never [tangle] with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
*Don't taunt eejits*
I was driving the cam car. I was not racing. I did NOT brake check, I tried to bring the car to a slow stop as he was centimetres away from my bumper. I got away from the lights quicker, but then had to moderate my speed as I did go over the speed limit. The audio is muted because of personal information.. It`s a new car to me and it can take people by surprise at the acceleration. As we were side to side he would have had to come into my lane- I suppose I should have held back to let him overtake.
@@doglikesparkyfly My best suggestion would be to analyze the situation when moving off, don't just take off, instead creep take moment to analyze the behaviour of those around to better suit the outcome in the future. As for the "brake check" I think you assesed the situation quite well and took decisive action, however maybe continuing ahead until you could find a better place to pull into would've been safer, that being said, the van driver seemed to not be in that much of a rush if they decided it would be ok to pull in behind you.
@@jakescustoms Thanks jakescustoms. It was the first safe place to pull in, I couldn't risk him being behind me any longer than necessary. I don't know where the assessment of a brake check comes from. I would not have risked it with this one. It is him who accelerates quickly to my bumper as I'm slowing for the stop.
@@doglikesparkyfly it comes form you decelerating from 28MPH to 0 in little over the length of a car. you might look at how your driving choices appeared to Ashley you accelerated hard to get in front of the van, and then slowed to the speed limit. then braked harshly to pull over when you realized you had angered the van driver. I'm guessing the reason the van driver was creeping is because he expected you to launch to get in front, and then slow to the speed limit. the question is whether that was from immediate experience, or just what he expects people to do to him. I know I just expect it of people. they will go up the hill at 10 MPH over the limit to get in front of me, and then descend on the brakes at 10 below, because downgrades are scary. and they will launch out of traffic lights to get ahead of me, and then slow to below the speed limit once I can't get around them.
@@kenbrown2808 " it comes form you decelerating from 28MPH to 0 in little over the length of a car". Sorry, that`s nonsense. I would not have dared to brake harshly as he was so close to the back of me. Don't forget the speed you see on the timestamp is not time accurate. i.e it takes time to update from the satellite signal. I had to get out of his way into a safe space, he could have overtaken at that point but chose to follow me in. The van driver could have just fallen in behind and kept a safe distance, and all would have been well.
Funnily enough I had a similar experience today at some traffic lights where there's a merge in turn ahead. I stopped but left a gap in front of me as there was a cyclist approaching behind, thinking he'd want to go ahead. He didn't so I crept forward and stopped just before the stop line. The car to my right must have thought I was planning on speeding off ahead so he started creeping forward beyond the stop line. When the lights eventually changed he sped off, I set off normally. He must have spent too much time looking back in his mirror to see where I was he drifted towards the central reservation clipping the kerb.
Personally I always employ that if I get in a merge lane then it’s my job to find a gap to merge. Usually I play “in front or behind”. At the lights I can usually judge whether a car is going to go somewhere or not so I’ll usually say “I’ll go behind them”. If the gap closes, I move onto the next gap. It’s not about getting in front but letting the ego go for safety. Sometimes people like to close those gaps (and sometimes people in the right don’t find a gap and just expect people to hold off for them).
Edit: and this is the same if I’m in the left lane, I’ll think “in front or behind?” If somebody is gonna get in front I won’t increase danger trying to race them, just manage my speed properly.
You are 100% correct Ashley on there not being a place for competative driving on the roads.
Testosterone is a more complex part of the neuroendicrin system that is a "hyperfocus/hyperfixate" function. The testosterone isn't the thing making poor choices maybe it's pointing the focus, it's the big complex egos getting bruised, then the adrenalin saying go do something.
Whenever you see someone creeping at a red light you know they think they're an F1 driver
LOL, no.
@@jamestaylor5417 Here is James, who is currently sat at the lights half way out of the advanced box and into the junction for his quick get away.
If an F1 driver creeps at the start they get told off by the stewards and get a time penalty. F1 drivers don't creep.
In my experience, a lot of the time when people creep or ride the clutch at traffic lights, they then take about 2 years to set off and I end up in front just driving normally; they're either not thinking about what they're doing or they're incompetent. When I want to get in front at traffic lights for whatever reason I usually actually hang back to avoid baiting the driver into a drag race
@@cynicalpenguinI was about to say the same thing 🤣. I always see people creeping, getting half of their car past the stop line, then when it actually turns green they take 5+ seconds to get going
It just goes to show how distracted the van driver was that he literally followed the cammer into a bus stop when he parked up! I thought at first it was to confront the cammer (as lots so often do) but no, he was travelling so close that he just went wherever the cammer went. Absolutely ridiculous driving and all because the cammer did exactly what the van tried to do, how ironic.
makes me guess the cammer didn't indicate he was turning off.
When you are side by side with another car at traffic lights, do you ever get a sense they look across to eye you up to try to determine what sort of driver you might be? Of course I could do the same but either way, during the wait for the green light I sometimes feel rather self conscious. I'll often try to overcome that by starting a conversation with my mum in the passenger seat just to have my lips move!
I’m totally convinced I’m involved in a daily race that I didn’t sign up for, everyone wants to be in front of everybody and win the imaginary gold cup. I just chill, stick to the limit and offer up courteous driving… for me, it makes me the winner and reduces stress. There’s always going to be someone in front of you.
there is a merge lane on my daily drive home from work, and despite everyone on being on the same commute home every day, it never ceases to amaze me how aggressively everyone races towards the merge point despite still being in the middle of a snake of 10 cars. Its especially obvious when I'm driving my wife's Renault Mito its like they think the engine is restricted to 30mph once it reaches the national speed limit sign and they will be left behind.
You can often anticipate someone's intentions for the upcoming merge before they even move off. You can see with the second van they are edging forward which suggests they want to get ahead. Creeping forward at the red, stopping past the stop line, and moving on amber are all signs someone will move off quickly. It's worth mentioning that as it allows you to plan whether to go in front or slot behind earlier.
It actually stops you being able to move of quickly when you edge past the line
The advantage of driving an EV is that you can always win in such a scenario.
Smoked a BMW trying to get ahead with an EV transit van, would've loved to see the look on his face.
Win?
I think SAFETY needs to be the big lesson imprinted on all drivers. We're all driving deadly machines and we're all responsible to some degree of everyone else on the road. Our motives for doing anything should first be filtered through "Is it safe?"
Ashley has highlighted a very good distinction between knowing when to get ahead via reasonably brisk acceleration and when to back down rather than absolutely flooring it in a race to get in front. For me, I will use relatively swift acceleration to get ahead of someone who's relatively slow but i will also immediately back down if the other driver turns out to be what I call a "fastard". 😊
And if they're a "bucking fastard" go in the exact opposite direction 🤪
That's a word I didn't know I needed :D
conversely, if I'm at one light, and a person accelerates to be in front, and then slows once the lanes merge, you can bet I'll be turning all the horses loose if I get a chance to be around the amateur traffic warden.
This has the added advantage of there always being a huge gap between the "fastard" and any cars behind for you to safely merge into.
I printed out the word OGMIOS and stuck it on the steering wheel of my car. Now if I have any road rage problems, I can blame him ;)
🙏😂
Play silly games, win silly prizes.
In the viewer clip, not only was the van creeping, but you see the back end squat as he dumped the clutch. I wonder what happened before the clip starts. Had there been a previous set of lights where the fight to be in front had begun. Personally, if someone is that impatient or desperate to be ahead, I let them. Id rather they were where I can see them than right behind.
I was driving the cam car. there was no fight, no previous incident no gesticulating, no intent to race.. I know it's hard to believe, but it was all because I was in front. The van driver could have been turning right in the lane he was in, or, indeed, carrying straight on - as he did. I'm having to defend myself a bit on here.. 😅
@@doglikesparkyfly it was because you accelerated hard to be in front, and then slowed down. if you're having to defend yourself that much, you may need to give a closer look at the unedited clip to see if you can understand what triggered the van driver.
@@doglikesparkyfly Can you upload it? I know some drivers do silly things, but it would be good to prove that nothing happened before the clip started. Also, don't crop out your speed. I have a feeling you won't upload it.
His actions told you he wanted to get past honestly just let it go. He was expecting you to just let him past . Which upset him a little
@@kenbrown2808 Agree with reviewing the footage to see what triggers people
Had one earlier where someone was upset that not only did I slow down while cars were passing parked vehicles (slowed to avoid piling head on into the oncoming traffic) but also slowed as a tall van passed under a low arched bridge…again to avoid a head on collision
Turns out the likely trigger point was actually a minute prior to that when we was all behind a cyclists that was travelling just over 15 mph and I refused to overtake going oassed junctions and across solid white lines
What made it amusing for ne was all the gestures of go faster, I am in a hurry, was that we had to wait at two seperate crossings for pedestrians to cross, traffic through a local village and also red lights at temporary roadworks. For the minute behind the cyclist and a couple of slow down give ways, it delayed us by a couple of car lengths by the time we reached the red lights 🤷🏻♂️
I'll be rushing to a place before i get into the car or after i get out of it but once im in it i will take the time needed to not make mistakes; serious mistakes that is. As a new driver every time i caught myself rushing in the car i was making mistakes; forgetting my belt, the handbrake, wrong gear... not worth it. Set off early and wait at your destination.
had an MBIF on the freeway on Tuesday. I had cruise on, and this driver overtook, and then I almost immediately was creeping up on him. reached a point I had to change lanes to not run up on his tail, and soon was back in front of him, whereupon, he overtook again, and the cycle repeated.
the classic cruise control yo-yo situation. Happens to me on every medium-haul drive that I do
@@mattwoodford1820 as I get older, I have less patience for people who won't maintain a steady speed.
@@mattwoodford1820 my biggest annoyance on the road, I deal with getting cut-off, people with bad lane discipline, dangerous drivers, middle lane hogs, etc. but this grinds my gears the most and is literally the only thing that will cause a red mist moment for me.
Why can't people simply stick their cruise on or pay attention to their Speedo if you're adamant on doing 60mph on a motorway, don't suddenly speed up after I've cruised by you with little to no input, I'm not interested in playing cat and mouse.
@@mwmm the one thing I really wish the car came with is adaptive cruise control.
@@mwmm it's the human factor. It IS gonna happen as annoying as it can be, the priority should be driving in a calm and controlled manner as this vastly improves decision making
There is a set of lights near my work that is two lanes that merges into 1. I once let the car in the other lane go in front due to slightly faster speed. I made good progress begind then some car in the other lane that was way behind, speed up big time, caught up, beeped me right before the merge and undertook.
I know that road in Wigan very well and this sort of thing happens on a regular basis
Brilliant assessment of the last clip, don’t go around winding other people up on the road, because you might just meet the wrong person on the wrong day.
If you drive around being happy and nice to people generally those around you react and treat you well in return.
I don't accept that argument as it seeks to absolve the aggressor of responsibility. If you're so weak that you start tailgating someone just because they "gun it" ahead of your at some poxy traffic lights then you should not be driving.
@@goodyeoman4534 In this case it looks like there might have been a bit of history prior to the start of the clip.
If someone is truly intent on speeding while you want to stick to the limit, just get out of the way. Being in the right while in the hospital isn't worth it.
@@Landrassa1 I know. And I agree. But I still think the white van idiot is the one who deserves all the criticism. I'd have stopped too as there is no way I'm driving with someone that close to me.
I always let vans crack on ahead of me. I don’t like being closely followed and also consider that they are either working or delivering and so maybe have more of a deadline to meet than I 95% of the time.
If you start fairly briskly, like your student and find the van seems to easily keep pace, backing off the accelerator gets the van to gently overshoot. Meanwhile vehicle behind van is dropped a long way back leading to a safe merge.
I will never understand why people are always so impatient and territorial over a stretch of asphalt which doesn't belong to them or any other driver for that matter...
Too many people drive with pride over safety, if they want competition they need to use a race track.
I think I heard Ashley say once to remember that not one square metre of the road belongs more to you than to anyone else.
For me, the biggest worry here is that the cammer almost certainly had no visibility of any traffic approaching from their right, which calls into question the decision to accelerate hard. Yes, I know that nothing _should_ be coming from the right, but that's nothing like the same as nothing _will_ be coming from the right. The risk of driving blindly into danger here is not nil. And whilst it's sometimes handy to use HGVs as "shields" (and vans to a lesser extent), the key when doing so is not to go ahead of them.
I've always found that the best way to overcome the urge to speed is to drive a fast car.
Thing is, if you're driving a fast car you HAVE to exercise self-control and, also, if you've got a car that can put you wherever you need/want to be, you don't feel like you need to constantly defend your position on the road.
I pause for a second at the lights and see if the driver next to me puts their foot down. If they do, I assume they are just in a rush and I let them go ahead no drama. If they are slow, I will carefully go on ahead so that I am clearly in position in front of them and not beside them again, no drama. It's also a good idea to position yourself a few feet back if you roll up at a red light in the right hand lane as this shows the driver in the left lane that you are not trying to race.
I do like it when older men with declining testosterone levels criticize younger men even though there's a big chance they did exactly the same thing when they were younger while driving.
I must confess as a 60 year old that you have a point. But it's better to be a historical hypocrite if it makes the roads safer.
@@drahcirnevarc9152: Hey, I wouldn't even call it hypocrisy, what's it, older and wiser and all... as long as it's from a place of "that's not great" and criticicing the action with the aim of helping people improve, rather than a place of "you're not great" and making it personal, or even to make out that you're somehow morally superior or something!
@@fetchstixRHD Wise words. Thanks.
That... doesn't make any of this acceptable. If you're too weak-minded to let your hormones and impulses control your driving, you shouldn't be behind the wheel.
Great topic
Happens on A and B road overtakes as well. Catch up to a car doing 45, pass them safely, suddenly they want to do 60 whilst 5 feet off your rear bumper.
I disagree with you on this one Ash. I do what the cammer did - clear the intersection ASAP to ensure as many people behind can get through. It's actually a pet peeve of mine when people crawl slowly through intersections, they are afterall an area of high risk and if you can't see past them, you would assume the road ahead is backed up and end up sitting back pointlessly to avoid blocking the intersection.
The van driver seemed like the only one trying to race and got mad when he lost. It looks like at the merge, it's the van's lane merging into the cammer's lane too - so the van had the duty to give way and knew it. I get that you encourage us to drive in order to cater for idiots and I'd say pulling into the bus stop was sufficient. Not sure how it's a brake check to slow down before moving into the bus stop either.
I remember passing a vehicle in lane 2 from lane 3 who suddenly starts to become level with my car, then edge in-front?
.... and stopping in a bus stop, even just for 10-20 seconds with no bus in sight, and certainly in places like Derby where they have video/ANPR cameras looking at their bus stops (I don't suppose it's Derby for one minute in the clip, just saying), he'd get an automatic penalty charge notice through the post.
I’ve learned after 20 years of driving to be pretty chilled now. I’m in a A45 that is pretty rapid so you can have some fun, but if folk want to tread the line between living and dying, just to get in front of me, then so be it. I can be a couple of minutes slower if needed..
2:48 I reckon about 37mph here, assuming 4m line 2m gap road markings
Good video about such an unßnecessary interaction.
It is always good to leave trafic behind you, no just for safety but also to get going- why linger instead of driving efficiently?
One thing that keeps getting me though:
In the UK two lanes often merge into one just after a junction, creating a bottle neck _in_ the junction. What stupid road planning that is!
I get this when on my motorbike. I have nothing to prove it does 0-60 in two seconds 0-100 in five. But on occasion from the lights I'm gone 😂 then slow for a little wave as they go past. 😊
Modern vans go so fast these days, I remember British telecom sherpa vans having a 50 mph governor fitted. 3.5 tonnes going at 70-80+ - and some more - mph is a deadly weapon.
It amazes me how much that happens at those two junctions . Even worse when your in a hgv
Does Ashley anticipate a delay between him saying "off you go", the learner moving off and the traffic lights going from Red/Amber to green? Some people may take it that when traffic lights go from Red to Red Amber, they can go irrespective of were they are in relation to the stop line.
Does anyone think drivers have gotten more impatient since we got out or lockdown? Or do you think thinks things are mostly the same as theyve always been. I find when im going 65mph on a dual carriageway most cars overtake me. I dont feel like this has always been the case. Wondered anyone elses thoughts?
I've been wondering that. However I've also been watching Ashley's videos now for around 3 years and that has definitely made me notice more poor driving. So not sure if that's a case of people getting worse, or I'm improving (hopefully).
@@matt821 interesting Matt. Thanks for sharing
I did perceive a drop in standards after lockdown, not necessarily impatience, more a case of a lack of awareness. Many drivers (and other road-users) seemed to be bumbling around in a world of their own and oblivious to others.
Definitely noticed that. Wonder if the vaccine made people weird.
@@recall2880 They were acting weird before the vaccine came out.
One extra consideration to take into account with all this is, what sort of road lies ahead? For example, if it's a 20 mph stretch coming up after the lights,, accelerating to get ahead of the other vehicle, you may find yourself severely "revenge tailgated" by an angry driver who's wondering why you were quicker away from the lights but now "slow" after you got in front of them, even though all you are doing is correctly obeying a 20 mph limit that they themselves don't want to obey (though should).
Similarly, if you know you are going to be turning right soon after the road goes down to one lane in your direction, there may be little point in accelerating to get ahead, even if the other vehicle is relatively slow off the mark.
Driving is a bit like a game of chess. You have to think several moves ahead rather than carry out a single move in isolation just because it may seem a good idea at the time. Not saying that's what happened with Ashley and his pupil, just a general comment.
Love that analogy!
As long as you're not in a zugzwan situation, Ibrahim.
@@thomaselliot2257 I had to look that up but now I know the meaning. In the meantime, I'm trying to determine if your next comment will put me at a disadvantage. 😊
@@ibs5080 as long as my next comment is, or is not, relegated to the "newest comment" section only 😉
@@thomaselliot2257 "Relegated". Now there's a word I haven't heard for a very long time. I remember sports commentator Dickie Davis using it frequently, as well as John Motson...or "Motty" as he was known, though I'm not a football fan.
I feel its about understanding the driver next to you. So drivers are aggressive and want in front, some drivers use an empty lane where 2 go ahead so they get through the lights first cycle than wait in a long line of traffic, usually those drivers are not fussed about being in front.
Start accelerating when the lights go green and guage the vehicle next to you, do you need to be positive and bs in front or concede and reduce acceleration to use car body language to say they can go ahead.
Slowed it frame by frame at 3:08 and the brake light is clearly reflected in the van's left headlight. It's clearly a brake check, or a panic move into the bus stop.
Until then the distance was a typical for white vans, but nothing scary.
You mean he used his brakes to slow down? That's unusual!
It took 6 seconds and 38m to come to a stop from that point. The view remained level the whole time. That was not a brake check.
Drive down that road in Wigan all the time, because of all the cars that turn right into Robin Park/DW stadium you see very few cars actually going straight from the right hand lane. Like an unwritten rule that it’s right turn only.
I'd be concerned that the van was holding back at the lights because of a pedestrian trying to cross on his side. He's so far forward he's blocking the view so accelerating hard from the lights needs to be done with caution. It's a pet hate that van drivers often pull too far forward with no concern for how they block views for other drivers.
My viewers own doing? really? sure he got carried away to start with but then literally pulled over to allow the van to pass. honestly the van driver deserves the criticism here. There was no ned for that reaction whatsoever.
1:01 here in Germany he would have stopped too short of the line or lights as there are sensors in the roads to control the traffic lights. Is this not the case in the UK?
The sensors are in the floor a little further back from the line. You don't gain anything by stopping closer to the line.
Is the person adjacent to you firmly on the brake, or are they rocking while holding it on the biting point?
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Or are they from the Lego driving school with an automatic?
So what we saw happen in part 2 could have happened to you in the first part because the van driver could have assumed the course of action as the van driver in part 2.
I had a VW Golf cut me up this morning. I had a small gap in front of me as we approached a larger mini roundabout..we are all in a Right turn only lane. The golf comes up the side in the left only lane and swings into the modest gap in front of me.
He didn’t get any advantage as the roads here especially the A4 is so busy Saturday lunchtime, he was stuck in traffic all the way to the next town. I think the lead vehicle was one of those slow Asda vans….but must get in front!
If calculations are correct the viewer passes the bus stop, which is approx 33 metres in approx 2 seconds, let's say it is exactly 33 metres in exactly 2 seconds that's 16.5 m/s which is 36.9 mph, is how fast he got to to pass the van, give or take 1 maybe 2 mph so between 35-39 mph to get in front and then slow down and stop in a bus stop.
Nearly forty years on and I can still hear my driving instructor... "come on, accelerate with confidence". But if someone wants to go hooning past I'm always happy to let them - for one thing it's a lot easier to see what they do next...
A self challenge now - it’s a fail if I have to use my horn or brake a lot
If I have a clear lead and the lanes are merging after the lights I tend to straddle the two lanes just before the merge point otherwise I have found some drivers just have to make a last minute overtake at the merge point. I don’t mind if I am in front or behind as long as no one tries to overtake me causing me to have to take evasive action to avoid a collision. Nothing wrong with occupying the width of the road if it is unsafe to vehicles behind to overtake. It’s what lorries do and what cyclists are now encouraged to do in the Highway Code.
Well you say nothing wrong with it but it WILL trigger psychos like the van driver in the viewers clip.
@@pocky1scot1 If I was straddling the two lanes in a queue, or way back from the merge point then, yes, that would be annoying for other users. But approaching a merge point I've found its good to move into the middle when it would no longer be safe for anyone to think about overtaking, which is usually half way across the junction....approx. Many years ago I discovered that hanging in a lane right up until the merge point lines run out is just an invitation for last-minute overtakes where I have to slam on the breaks as they cut in front of me.
I think you may have misread the Highway Code. Cyclists may be encouraged to take Primary position when it is unsafe, but that means in the lane. At no point in the Highway Code does it suggest straddling lanes approaching a merge as you are suggesting whether you are a cyclists, a car driver or a lorry driver.
Lorry drivers (and car drivers) do it because, well who knows why other than they feel people are queue-jumping rather than "merge in turn".
Pay attention to what is going on around, and it won't matter whether someone else makes a silly decision because you will be prepared for it.
@@out-backer7875 I was talking about lorries and cyclists occupying a space where it would be unsafe for others to overtake in general, not specifically at a merge point. Sorry I didn't make that clear. Certainly, from a car driving perspective, a narrowing of the road for any reason is an unsafe place to overtake and careful positioning while approaching can help discourage anyone else from trying it.
Another lesson to take away from this from an offensive driving perspective - If you're gonna send it, send it. Don't go quickly and get scared, just get ahead enough to not be a problem for the van.
You get people thinking the supermarket car park is a race track too. It's dangerous
Btw if you arrive at a roundabout and there’s a car to your right intending to leave their junction….if they are slow to get going, then yes it’s ok to go first…but make sure you do it quickly. I did this today…the car at the exit to my right couldn’t seem to get going….and no traffic to their right…maybe they were trying to pull away in 3rd?
Hard acceleration = higher fuel consumption!
The psychology of a driver plays a big role: the over-competitive, territorial, aggressive person tends to take those traits on the road with them. No wonder they find driving so tiring & stressful.
Even the milder-mannered can get the 'cocoon' effect: cut off from the wider world & protected by the metal box, they can be more aggressive than otherwise.
2:30 Hummer H3 - someone bought one!
I believe the overtaking white van was prepared to hit the soft target (bike) to avoid what could be a serious hit with the oncoming van. I have been hit a few times by vehicles using this logic..... It's their self preservation
I would say the first van was letting you get away and guarding the lane to create a safe lane
I manage to be patient with folks that break their necks to get around you, then slow to 10 kph slower than the speed you were driving when they decided to pass. But it's difficult.
had one of those on tuesday. if you want to be in front, do me the courtesy of going as fast as me, once you're there.
A lot of drivers out there with a superiority complex. Tailgating, speeding, dangerous overtaking, little to no forward planning, no manners.
All I can say is just drive your own vehicle. Be ever vigilant of others poor habits and try to fix rather than escalate a situation.
I often find fast car drivers cannot read the road ahead. If you drive and plan where the cars in front are likely to go you can often slip in front of fast car at a snails pace because you did not need to stop. I guess that`s what makes a good race driver as they can do both things at the same time at super quick speeds
I wonder how long the van in the last clip has been driving around with one headlight out.
Difficult to say for sure but could be up to 3 years as the vehicle, at the time of the filming, would not yet have had its first MoT but would have been picked up about 2 months later during its first MoT Test
lol plum. not heard that one used before :-)
"Right in the plums!" - James May upon being hit in the groin.
One challenge with this is if the vehicle next to you starts to move off the line during the red and amber phase. However you can compensate for this by stopping slightly short of the stop line. By doing so, you can also start moving during the red and amber phase and get a bit of a "run up" as long as you don't actually cross the stop line before the light turns green. I noticed your pupil stopped a little before the stop line but not sure if that was to potentially employ the aforementioned technique.
Of course, in all cases when moving off, it's important to check every which way for other road users first.
2:30 Oh look a Hummer H2
Being from Wigan I know that bit of road, commonly we let the first in the right lane merge in followed by left lane as it turns into one lane.
The cammer was selfish and entitled racing to get ahead, the van driver let his anger get the best of him.
Both need to improve the standards of their driving
100% on his phone
Looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. There is nothing wrong in setting off and increasing ones acceleration abilities to get in front of another vehicle. Van drivers are particularly noted for their bad driving and aggression plus due to gearing differences some vans can out accelerate some cars ability.
In advanced driving or riding its sometimes advisable to out accelerate others and to take the lead when setting off at traffic lights as that apparently reduces danger from possible conflict and puts the danger behind one and not confrontational if being side by side or having someone pull in on you or brake on you whilst in front.
If we were to change the law so that it doesn't offer any protection to people who go out of their way to provoke/intimidate strangers, I bet we'd notice a sudden drop in road rage (and general public rage) incidents.
I can see why the van driver got agitated although it doesn't excuse his reaction. I've had it happen so many times that the car next to me does similar, breaks its neck to make sure they get in front at the merge point, then proceeds to drive 5 to 10 below the speed limit. It boils my piss.
It *is* funny when it is the other way round though....3.5 ton cage van full of refuse bags parked up in lane one (me) out dragging a swanky Audi, Beemer, Mini or a wannabe Kia driver..... Even better as I start in second gear too.
I must admit to being a little guilty of tailgating those who undertake but then slow back down a tiny bit, so i can see why the van driver was triggered, but he took it to a whole other extreme!
It isn’t just testosterone, it is any increase of any hormone creating an imbalance…I have seen a fair share of female drivers with a MGIF attitude (sorry for being pendantic this morning Ashley 😉)
It is an interesting point about holding back. Last week there was a driver behind me, not doing too much wrong apartvfrom giving the occasional gap close nudge to go faster. Already doing 30 in a 30…not going to go quicker. Anyway, reached some lights with a merge in turn like in the video and as we moved away I showed my intention of slotting in between two cars (with the previous vehicle being the rear of the two) but they accelerated. I throttled back and slotted in behind without issue
The old me from a few years ago would’ve competed for that space, screaming blue murder to the other driver about it being a merge in turn and holding myself and everyone else up in the process. Simply not worth it
Yep... had an interesting situation in a very highly modified sports car, a female driver in a Ford KA decided she wanted to keep up with us.... around sharp bends. It just ended up putting her in a ditch. We went back to make sure she was ok, her reason? "I can go just as fast as you". Speed is always a by product to going "fast", not the aim!
my nan is guilty of MGIF and closing space at roundabouts so people cant get in, only to then raise her hands and go "what can i do?"
You're right to point out the sexism of Ashley's title.😂
@thomaselliot2257 It _could_ be taken that way…but for clarity…
I wasn’t suggesting that the title was sexist given all parties involved are male and there can be the occasional “male bravado” or “alpha male” attitude in society and also on the road which is often linked to increased testosterone levels
My comment was more to do with dopamine and endorphine that gets released during times of excitement and danger. The heightened risk is a pleasure for some people and they will take risks on the road to get that buzz…almost like getting a drug hit (enter the reference to my comment being pedantic) 👍
In fact, my comment could be deemed as being sexist by indirectly implying females do not have testosterone. There is testosterone present in females, just a much lower level
So apologies to anyone that thought I was being sexist…I wasn’t at all
LOL I was joking, tongue in cheek, with a smile(r) on my face.
Good that you are the new you and not the old you , and my tongue is NOT firmly in my cheek this time.
Shame we won't get a response from the (2nd clip) van driver as to his perspective
Now will we be getting the "Estrogen and Driving" version next week? 🤔
weird hill to fight on, hormone equality
I'd like to know how Ashley knew their genders anyway to bring up testosterone? Bar assuming, they have zero clue.....
@@Leidolfr weird you'd assume i'm picking a fight tbh
@@richy_rude the dashcam footage helps
FFS, you know what he means. Don't pretend you don't just to make a point.
Hmm, I think on the last clip there might have been something going on between those two prior to the clip starting.
Imagine having the “MGIF” attitude towards a learner, only for them to stay in front of you because you weren’t concentrating at traffic lights…TWICE.
I assume the cammer was dawdling prior to arriving at the lights. The vans took the opportunity to get passed and the cammer put his foot down ... hence the point from the van driver. A favourite move of Uber drivers in IONIQs and Priuses
1:23 I can't believe he's not using a mobile phone.
The point about accelerating safely is lost on far too many people. The 2 scenarios I see this the most would be people not accelerating enough on motorway slip roads and trying to merge at far too slow a speed or turning onto a road with a 50-60mph limit. If they actually accelerated hard then the danger of a collision is much lower.
I have a give way onto a dual carriageway that I occasionally use on my commute. The number of drivers who emerge and then use the next half a mile to get up to 60/65 is nuts. I now make sure the car in front is gone before I even begin to look to emerge. I've been caught out before emerging behind someone into a large gap only to be stuck behind as they dawdle up to the speed of everyone else.
You can guarantee the driver who pulls out of a side road in front you without looking will also decide to accelerate like a tortoise on morphine.
Prepared to bet money that the last clip gets featured on certain youtube dashcam channels in the next couple of weeks.
In the viewer clip, the viewer rags it away from the line then stabilises at 27mph. That’s going to annoy the van driver even more!
Ive got the same van i had to check it wasnt me hahah but then again im not sad enough to get road rage over nothing
I’d say almost certainly, something happened before this. Both were in a triggered state right from the start of the video.
I also noticed in both start offs, the white van straddled the white cross hatchings. Although legal in this case as the hatchings were bounded by broken lines, there was no reason for the van to do so.
Completely agree, the only place testosterone and driving sometimes go well together is a race track.
Every rooster must overtake all hens. ;)
I'm sure I'll be shot down here, but...
Many commenters here are attributing rapid acceleration to testosterone or aggression. Why? Sometimes, for some people, hoofing it from the lights is just a bit of fun. A well executed launch in a manual car can be quite satisfying, though one might question whether a wet crossroads is the ideal location.
So, if two such inclined drivers find themselves alongside each other at a set of lights and both accelerate hard, why is either deemed to be in the wrong? In this instance, the cammer cleared the junction first. Not that big a surprise, when the "opponent" is in a van. However, I see nothing in this to justify the van driver's subsequent tailgating. For me, the fault here lies with the van driver.
As for the cammer's speed, a quick measurement on Google Maps (3.2 m) and some frame counting (6.5 fr @ 30 fps) indicates that they were doing 33 mph through the pedestrian crossing after the hatched area, which is about the point where they eased up on acceleration (judging by engine note). They continued to accelerate a little, though, averaging nearly 37 mph through the bus stop (32.7 m in 60 frames).