Kisame & Itachi vs Jiraya: “ We could fight, but it’d just end up in a draw.” That’s one of the craziest feats tbh. Ecen pain saying “ he would’ve won had he known the secret” but with going in blind, still kills more pains than all of Konoha ( ex world Naruto) solo. Even though he was confident in what he knew, he could’ve escaped with his life but decided confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt and even distract pain well enough to get a corpse to Konoha, which is utter madness.
Namikaze name may mean exactly the origin of the family. Nami no kuni (Wave) which currently has no hidden village and rely on Fire for protection. If this is the case then most Ninja originated from Nami had moved to Konoha, which makes a lot of sense why Fire provides protection to Wave. Kaze (Wind) could be the nature of chakra of the people from this origin.
@@nyotauhura7412 Kakashi means scarecrow and hatake means farmland so he is a survivor of the land of corn fields. His father and mother must have been pecked to death or accidently been eaten by the thresher.
"at 5.38 talk about the relationship between relatives, it's weirder " That mean u don't know In Japan Cultured, marriage and the relationship between relatives is normal, and if marriage happens between relative they called strengthen the blood bond family.
- I always thought of Orochimaru as not human. Just some kind of weird perversion of one, a foundling that just wondered into a human ninja village and took shape and went from there. even in flashbacks he doesnt look right, hes had the snake features from the beginning.
@ 5:40 time mark. Interbreeding in clans was common. The Uchiha and Hyuga clans all interbred with each other to keep clans power strong. (Kekkai Ginkai)
Finally, someone else who noticed all the incest in Naruto. I'mnot sure why the Jiraya and Tsunadecousin thing freaks everyone out. All the clans do it. Uzumaki, Uchia, Hyuga, Kaguya, Inuzuka, you name it. If you marry within a Clan, you married your cousin. Itachi even had another Uchia member as a lover. I forget her name, but Itatchi is such a loved and popular character. Why did the fact he was in love with his cousin just pass over almost everyone's head?
Its amazing how respectful, and respected these people father's were but theirblacking in that aspect. Aka (jaraya). No way in hell jaraya could be tobirama son that means he was attracted to his cousin 😂😂😂😂
Jiraiya could even be related to Inuzuka clan or a similar clan group too. Who knows he could actually be the grandson of The Sage of the 6 Paths or something
think about it if jiraya was tobirama's son and tsunade being hashirama's granddaughter then tsunade is like a daugher to jiraya then all this time you mean jiraya was simping on his daughter😂😂
Not uncommon in Naruto. The Uchia marry within the clan. Same with the Hyuga and Uzumaki. All the Clans do it. Did you ever realize that? Itatchi even fell in love with a Uchia member. I forget her name, but she is Uchia. That means Itatchi had his cousin as a lover.
Since tsunade isn't the daughter but granddaughter of hashirama, they wouldn't be cousins but Jiraiya would be her second-degree uncle if I understand well 😂
Jiraya and Kakashi’s fathers are definitely some of the most badass ninja. Like their families are pretty secretive, despite being so valuable and important figures. Kakashi’s dad commit suicided knowing that if he just killed the people that killed his squad members/friends, he’d be continuing the cycle. And so he took on the pain and hate himself, trying to teach and inspire his kid to value teammates and be strong enough to protect them. Essentially beating Madaara, Pain, Naruto for answers by decades.
That's all great and dandy but remember not only did mans kill himself, leaving Kakashi alone AS A KID, but Kakashi was also the one to find his body. "Suicide doesn't take the pain away, it simply passes it onto another." imo, killing yourself doesn't do much besides satisfy the hatred people felt towards him, I don't see the good in his actions.
the fact that you think Sakumo is praiseworthy is pathetic of you. You must be a child...Sakumo chose to end his life when he had a 6 year old kakashi to care of. He literally left his 6 year old son to fend for himself... Sakumo was powerful as a ninja, but PATHETIC as a father.
@@mashachwebb2871 no he didn’t. Hashirama lived long enough to see tsunade and she and jiraiya are the same age. Hashirama died before tobirama so tobirama and jiraiya were alive at the same time. Albeit only for a few years
Naruto has immense potential for new series about the lives of so many great characters. Would love to see, the 3 sanins since they were young and many others. Would be great. Hopefully finish the series before we die old!
Very interesting video. Kishimoto created so many interesting characters and clans that we know so little about that if these characters and clans are fleshed out right would certainly spark a revival and passion for a much loved manga. There's so much potential back story that Kishimoto might have thought about doing but had no time as he wanted to wrap up the series within a certain time.
It's all accurate actually. Danzo and Hiruzen were the same age. Danzo was 70 years in Naruto part one while Orochimaru was 50 years of age. So basically Hiruzen and his students had a 20 year age gap between themselves. Hashirama died when Tsunade was around 3 years of age, so technically Hiruzen was around 23 years of age, ideal time when the 1st shinobi world war broke out. 10 years later he was the sensei of Orochimaru, Jiraya and Tusunade. The age gaps all fall in place.
You got your ages wrong. Hiruzen was 68 when he died. He has an 18 year age gap with the Sanin and Hashirama died when Tsunade was a bit older than 3. Tsunade, Jiraiya and Orochimaru graduated the academy at 6, so Hiruzen became their sensei at 24.
What 3 year old Knows how to GAMBLE? Tsunade had a Brother .. the First Hokage Obviously Died in his 50s as a Granfather with More than 2 Grandchildren The First Hokage had more than one Kid & Tsunade was at least Between 6-10 Gambling with the First Hokage
Orochimaru is my favourite character of all time and has been for the past ~20 years. So it's great to learn a little more about him and his past. Thank you!
Even if Tobirama was Jiraya's father, it doesn't make his relationship with Tsunade any weirder. Not in the Naruto Franchise at least. Marrying cousins is very common for Ninja in Naruto. Uchia members marry within the Clan. Same with the Hyuga. It's all incest. Most clans do it. No one ever realizes it though. If a Uzumaki marries a Uzumaki, that means they are marrying their cousin. Now explain to me again why it would be weird for Jiraya being attracted to Tsunade if Tobirama is his father.
I mean even if he was Tobirama's kid they would be second cousins. As he would be first cousins with Tsunade's father not Tsunade. And in the US today it is legal in virtually all states to marry a second cousin. But I mean everyone on Earth is related to some distant level.
@@capo900 Google it, 20 out of 50 states allow FIRST cousin marriages (5 more if they are older than 55 or have genetic screenings and counseling). 42 out of 50 if its First Cousin Once Removed. 41 out of 50 allow sexual intercourse between cousins without it being illegal.
@@TheLastSane1 i never said it wasnt true But only yall YT people believe in shit like that😂 just because they made it legal doesnt mean it’s naturally right google what incest does to the offspring
I don’t know why you ruled out Jiraiya being Tobirama’s grandson. 2nd cousin marriages aren’t uncommon in small villages. Moreover, wouldn’t Jiraiya be much older than Tsuna if Joraiya were Tobirama’s son?
also Jiraiya cant be of that clan... because Tsunade is wich would make their whole story incest x.x im tired of everyone trying to make out that EVERY CHARACTER IS AKTSUALY SENJU
Good theory.... But it's important to point out that Tobirama's mother was the same as Hashirama's and all of ttheir siblings who died during the Uchiha and Senju's feud. One of the youngest siblings had dark and white hair at the same time. A funny combination, but he was the sibling that Hashirama seemed to cry the most for after he was killed. We do not have much about parents of the previous generations and they never got to talk about it either. In fact, it is believed that most parents, were killed during the 2d great ninja. The leaf is like the USA country, a country that was or is composed by migrants seeking stability and safety. That's why there's a great deal of clans and diversity, unlike in the other villages. lol
Shikamaru Shinden is the best novel out here. Shikamaru is gonna be a threat to the world. He put every Kage, including Naruto, into his shadow paralysis and said he was gonna end everyone in the room if they didn't obey. He is quickly falling to the dark side
That was not him turning to the “dark side. He was realizing that the meeting wasn’t really going anywhere and wanted to preserve the peace that they had risked their lives for as kids
I don't remember him doing that but I also don't like Boruto at all and haven't seen much after like episode 140ish. But nonetheless I doubt they were 100% controlled, just complying since he used excessive force.
It dont make since kissing cousins Jariya and Tsunande ...it would make since if Jariya is a Hatake, a distant side family of the Uzimaki Clan sort of like maybe the Namikaze Clan, theres still not enough information about the whiripool country or villiage ....one things for certain maybe the fox rampage and Hashirama and the Uzimaki Head Villiage elder seal it into Mito Uzimaki ... Like if Naruto knew enough about his clans sealing technique he should just seal Boruto
They would be second cousins. Which is legal to marry in the US, and in fact many cultures consider second cousins to be outside the realm of direct incest. In GoT for example Ned Starks parents are Second Cousins, and Tywin's wife was his second cousin and thes were not scandalous arrangements.
Second cousin. Its legal in the US and in most of the world to marry a second cousin. Ned Starks parents in GoT are second cousins so not unheard of in fiction either.
I would love to see an anime that touches on the back stories of the descendents of the Sage of Six Paths and his brothers. That kould tie up a lot of loose ends like what really happened to the Uzumaki Klan and Saskue Saratobi's villainy
Maybe Tobirama is the grandfather of Jiraiya, Hiruzen was a boy when he was on a 3 man team and Hashirama and Tobirama were his mentors, and Jiraiya was a boy when he was on Team Hiruzen.
Okay not here to debunk the theory, but a small note on Tobirama & Senju Clan, so Tobirama, hashirama and their middle sibling were all related to the same set of parents. the middle sibling had weak traits of both, Hashirama being a true successor to his father's genes whereas Tobirama probably inherited from their mother. Since inter-clan marriages were quite common in the Narutoverse (Cough Hyuga & Uchihas being an exception) it is quite likely that the mother was from another clan having a diplomatic relationship with the Senjus.
Lol you bring up Tobirama & Jiraya’s hair, but then use pictures that show how completely different color and the styles are. Didn’t realize Tobirama was Jiraya’s dad theory existed but it doesn’t sync time wise. However I always found it interesting the both always use res facial paint. ( Naruto Wgen getting his license painted himself with red and white, so originally I thought it might be brought up when Jiraya took Naruto. And the Shippuden wait, though it was “brief” compared to other shows. Still so many theories were coming out.
I also guess one of the parents of Tsunade is a Namikaze since She had yellow hair like Naruto and it really overpowered the red haired nature of the Uzumaki or perhaps Tsunade was a bastard granddaughter
Hashirama had a different mother from his younger brothers Tobirama, Itama, & Kawarama. Unless I am hugely mis-remembering didn't she like die in childbirth or something like Asura Ōtsutsuki? I mean Jiraiya could be Tobirama's grandson but Tobirama was blonde as a kid. He didn't really get the silver fox look until after adulthood. He looked more like Sakumo Hatake.
They would be second cousins genetically speaking which is legal in most countries even in feudal time periods (Ned Starks parents in GoT are second cousins). And they would not have been raised as family either.
Plot twist..Hashirama and Tobiramas Mom is from the same clan as Kakashi and Kiba but married into the senju clan. That's where Tobirama gets his white hair from which he passed on to Jiraya
They can be relatives and still be romantically engaged. It is not uncommon in Japanese culture for cousins to marry. They have a word for these types of unions and have laws protecting the practice. One of their recent prime ministers is a product of such a union. Their relation could also have been the reason why the two never really settled down together.
Not anyone.. U people's take very wrong logic on cousin marriage.. First of all incest isn't thing in asia.. It maybe get in Western countries but not in asia.. And second is cousin marriage is particular like in distant cousin.. Or children of two different sister and brother.even it can cause some genetic disorder in birth. No children get married from two brothers or two sisters. It surely cause genetic disease in children and they can be disabled.. And about children of twins, thy r literally genetically siblings
In Naruto all the clans you see are mostly full blooded. Uchia married Uchia and Hyuga marry Hyuga. Same with the Uzumaki and all the other clans. No one ever realizes the incest. For goodness sake, Itatchi had a Uchia member as a lover. I forget her name, bit she is a Uchia member. He has his cousin as a lover. Isn't all the incest in Naruto so obvious. Why does the Jiraya and Tsunade cousin thing freak everyone out?
actually he was the better hokage of all the seven hokages because - he developed konoha's system like academy to the ninjas ranking - he discovered secret of the sharingan and the consequence of the activation of mangekyo - he create numbers of jutsu
tsunade's parents, hashirama and mito have dark eyes like uchiha dark eyes, so since tsunade has senju in her last name her father must be the one who is the child of hashirama and mito that means tsunade's father will have mito's or hashirama's hair, tsunade's father is not be blonde but since tsunade's brother nawaki has brown hair that means tsunade's father would have had brown hair like hashirama, and tsunade's mother would have been blonde. orochimaru's parents, one of them would black hair and one them would have been very pale, and one them would have orange/yellow eyes, they probably would have been normal ninjas, I mean both of them would have been normal ninjas but it's likely they would have been powerful but we don't have much info on them. jiraiya's parents, now we have a lot less info on jiraiya's parents then tsunade, jiraiya's parents would have dark eyes and white hair, they probably would have been on the taller side. and that's about all our info on them, any info past that, is just guess work rather then facts, since the things I've said in this comment are based on how the sanin look like and what genes would have been pasted on, this is in no way a comment with bad intensions, I only want to share how they would really look like, anyways good job on the video, try to make it less speculative and more fact based, have good day -Random Commenter.
Stuff like this is muuuuuuuuuuuuch more interesting than Naruto geeky brat. The clowns gave up on the Naruto series waaaaaay to quick. THere are still so much material left to animate. -,-
A few episodes? They need a whole series!!!! Just like naruto, a series with them young and being trained by the 3rd hokage. And a series with them older during the war
Tobirama is clearly an Albino, it is clear with the red-eye and white hair, that why he is so different from Hashirama. Jiraya on the other hand has naturally white hair.
No way! And I bet the jutsu orochimarus parents were researching was the same as orochimaru researched for a long time. Edo Tensei! So it's basically his legacy!
Let me go ahead and kill this rightnow.... There is 0% chance jiraiya and Tsunade are directly related because of the simple fact that they are literally Ninja.... Ninja inside of an enclosed village... With a few clans and multiple generations.... It's literally impossible for the hidden leaf to exist without its stronger members being inbred
The series of Naruto focused mainly on wasting our times with talking and fillers, no character developments and no explanation of majority of the characters, hell, we don't even know The 3rd Hokage's parents, nor do we know Konohamaru's parents either, we only know that the 3rd is his grandfather and Asuma his uncle
It was already stated in the anime that Orochimaru learned shuriken shadow clone jutsu from the third Hokage Hiruzen Sarutobi, do some research before you make videos next time
Thats an easy one. Hashirama was the only one to to have offspring. His offspring had Tsunade and Nawaki. Nawaki died very young, so he never had children. Tsunade was the last of the Senju from there on unless her parents were still alive. She was in her 50s when she first appeared, so it was unlikely they were still alive when she came on the show/manga. Tsunade had no children because her lover died in battle. She is still alive, but even if she does find a new lover, she is too old to have kids. After she dies, the Senju Clan will cease to exist. I hope this answered your question. Reply if you have any additional questions.
@mok7281 Yes, but they parted after Hashirama died. He is what kept the clan together. After that, they went their separate ways. Maybe there is a couple currently unknown Senju out there, but it is very doubtful.
if Tsunade its the granddaughter of the first hokage, why couldent jiraiya be the grandson of the second hokage ? Its stupid that we dont even know his clan name
If this was true that Tobirama and Jiraiya were related, then it would be incest between Jiraiya and Tsunade which clearly debunks this theory since Kishimoto shipped them together.
When you start going into the backstory of villains you start to almost feel bad for them. Not everybody is born evil it’s always something that leads to it or leads up to it. If a criminals are a result of their environment then who is to blame, is he criminal or the people around him
So no the same can't be said for a successful person who went through similar circumstances. Take Gaara and Naruto for an example while Gaara is good he used to be a villian his childhood was shitty with no decent family. Naruto had iruka sensei, shikimaru, the ramen guy ect.
@@Mar-pd7ne gaara had his siblings. They had very similar situations but naruto didn’t use that as an excuse to be bad. So yes the same can be said of successful people who went thru similar situations. I’m tired or responding to idiots on the net who have zero experience or common sense such as yourself.
That's not his dad. They say tobirama and hashirama were brothers. Same clan. Hashirama's granddaughter is Tsunade. Jiraiya flirted with her and maybe had feelings for her. So that would be gross if they are related.
Nahh if that was the case it means Jiraiya would be related to Tsunade, makes no sense. His dad is Amado an otsutsuki scientist. We will learn about this in Boruto and orochimaru parents are otsutsukis
I think tsunades father or mother is a namikaze. That is how they got the relationship with the namikaze and the main reason why mito teaches uzumaki technique to minato
Kisame & Itachi vs Jiraya:
“ We could fight, but it’d just end up in a draw.” That’s one of the craziest feats tbh. Ecen pain saying “ he would’ve won had he known the secret” but with going in blind, still kills more pains than all of Konoha ( ex world Naruto) solo. Even though he was confident in what he knew, he could’ve escaped with his life but decided confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt and even distract pain well enough to get a corpse to Konoha, which is utter madness.
He died to the weakest pain when kakashi almost killed the strongest one but got the second strongest one,and naruto came violating
Itachi and kisame would have won but it was apart of Itachi’s plan to avoid conflict
@@brando2065 Nah.
@@cornetinu4203 they could've if Itachi wasn't sick.
@@feel2feelfear47 Maybe. But considering Edo Itachi feats it isn't farfetched to think that it wouldn't be more than a draw again.
Considering Orochimaru was such a major villain im surprised we didn’t explore his parents more if they’re related to his motivations
he had none. If im not mistaken its mentioned a couple of times throughout the series that he was an orphan since very early age
He was an orphan ... He didn't know them
@@dimitarpetkov5665 that means he still had parents💀 atp in time mfs wasn't jus made outta no where💀💀
@@roronazoroomnipotent9904 orochimaru a fictional character bruh, he was literally made outta nowhere lmaoo
I thought it was stated that his parents died during a war, but because he was so young he didn’t remember them.
Namikaze name may mean exactly the origin of the family. Nami no kuni (Wave) which currently has no hidden village and rely on Fire for protection. If this is the case then most Ninja originated from Nami had moved to Konoha, which makes a lot of sense why Fire provides protection to Wave. Kaze (Wind) could be the nature of chakra of the people from this origin.
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But there is a land of waves
Minato means "Harbour", NamiKaze means "wind and waves"....I always figured he was a survivor of the Uzushiogakure massacre.
@@nyotauhura7412 Kakashi means scarecrow and hatake means farmland so he is a survivor of the land of corn fields. His father and mother must have been pecked to death or accidently been eaten by the thresher.
@@sentimentalmariner590 hahahahahaha wtf
Nobody will ever Know Just Like We Don't Know Tsunade's Father, and Shisui's Father.
Shisuis Father is Kagami
Lol rock lee
Thanks u safe me 8 min lifetime
@@Zesty_Drake shisui's grand father is kagami
@@Zesty_Drake kagamI is his grandfather
Tobirama is not the only one in the family to have that hair what about there dead brother he had black and white hair
I was about to say this too. Bro probably didn’t read manga or watch the anime.
Omg ASTRO love ur vids 💜
You did great research I had never considered this !
Did u do an episode on the novels? I’d definitely like to see that
great job thanks for the info keep it coming
"at 5.38 talk about the relationship between relatives, it's weirder " That mean u don't know In Japan Cultured, marriage and the relationship between relatives is normal, and if marriage happens between relative they called strengthen the blood bond family.
Video still getting recommended in 2023 good stuff
The legendary sannin and god 7 team parallel is pretty nice
You kind of missed the fact that Tobirama would be his grandfather not his father. I think that’s still a perfectly valid theory.
Please do videos about the Naruto novels
- I always thought of Orochimaru as not human. Just some kind of weird perversion of one, a foundling that just wondered into a human ninja village and took shape and went from there. even in flashbacks he doesnt look right, hes had the snake features from the beginning.
@ 5:40 time mark. Interbreeding in clans was common. The Uchiha and Hyuga clans all interbred with each other to keep clans power strong. (Kekkai Ginkai)
Finally, someone else who noticed all the incest in Naruto. I'mnot sure why the Jiraya and Tsunadecousin thing freaks everyone out. All the clans do it. Uzumaki, Uchia, Hyuga, Kaguya, Inuzuka, you name it. If you marry within a Clan, you married your cousin. Itachi even had another Uchia member as a lover. I forget her name, but Itatchi is such a loved and popular character. Why did the fact he was in love with his cousin just pass over almost everyone's head?
I would love to see more about this and videos about the books translated into English.
Its amazing how respectful, and respected these people father's were but theirblacking in that aspect. Aka (jaraya). No way in hell jaraya could be tobirama son that means he was attracted to his cousin 😂😂😂😂
Jiraiya could even be related to Inuzuka clan or a similar clan group too. Who knows he could actually be the grandson of The Sage of the 6 Paths or something
Imagine if Jiraiya saw Orochimaru's mother
If you make those video I will subscribed . word up
NC hammer has a good theory about Tobiramas possible children.
Yes please do share more about the novels.
think about it
if jiraya was tobirama's son and tsunade being hashirama's granddaughter
then tsunade is like a daugher to jiraya
then all this time you mean jiraya was simping on his daughter😂😂
If Jiraiya is Tobirama's son then he has a crush on his cousin 💀
Supreme wincest always wins out in the end
Not uncommon in Naruto. The Uchia marry within the clan. Same with the Hyuga and Uzumaki. All the Clans do it. Did you ever realize that? Itatchi even fell in love with a Uchia member. I forget her name, but she is Uchia. That means Itatchi had his cousin as a lover.
In Japanese culture cousin marriage is very common so this may clear your doubt
Since tsunade isn't the daughter but granddaughter of hashirama, they wouldn't be cousins but Jiraiya would be her second-degree uncle if I understand well 😂
@FurokkuFurokku It's called second cousin
This is feeding my resurrected Naruto obsession
Me too
glad i’m not the only one lmfao
Same!
You put my feelings into words my friend
Same
Really wish Jiraiya didnt got killed. He was my favorite character. Really enjoyed every scene he was in. 😥
He went out with pride.
@@fallenwolf3368 yes. But i would've enjoyed seeing him more. 🙁
Welll he has a clone in boruto so it’s still hope
I literally cried when he died 😭
Same
Jiraiya stated he wasn't an orphan and come from a normal family. Hence why he couldn't unsderstand orochimaru feeling.
I don't think orphan's understand Orochimaru's feelings. And there was quiet a few orphan's in the series including Naruto.
Jiraya and Kakashi’s fathers are definitely some of the most badass ninja. Like their families are pretty secretive, despite being so valuable and important figures.
Kakashi’s dad commit suicided knowing that if he just killed the people that killed his squad members/friends, he’d be continuing the cycle.
And so he took on the pain and hate himself, trying to teach and inspire his kid to value teammates and be strong enough to protect them.
Essentially beating Madaara, Pain, Naruto for answers by decades.
That's all great and dandy but remember not only did mans kill himself, leaving Kakashi alone AS A KID, but Kakashi was also the one to find his body. "Suicide doesn't take the pain away, it simply passes it onto another." imo, killing yourself doesn't do much besides satisfy the hatred people felt towards him, I don't see the good in his actions.
@@kylelavine1461 it was seppuku a ritual suicide which brings your honor back
@@unluckylifexy5740 wow, thanks Sakumo for his seppuku
@@constantinoplepasha5332 😭😂
the fact that you think Sakumo is praiseworthy is pathetic of you. You must be a child...Sakumo chose to end his life when he had a 6 year old kakashi to care of. He literally left his 6 year old son to fend for himself... Sakumo was powerful as a ninja, but PATHETIC as a father.
Tobirama died when hiruzen was just a teenager, meanwhile when jiraiya was still a kid hiruzen looks like he's on his late 40's
When Tobirama died he told hiruzen to be hokage from tomorrow,How come hokage be a gennin leader. So Tobirama might actually be jiraya father
No he's right tobirama died before jiraya was born it doesn't make sense plus nothing really hints at this it wouldn't make sense
@@mashachwebb2871 no he didn’t. Hashirama lived long enough to see tsunade and she and jiraiya are the same age. Hashirama died before tobirama so tobirama and jiraiya were alive at the same time. Albeit only for a few years
@@mashachwebb2871 hashirama was alive long enough to see tsunade
Yeah but tobirama could've died before hashirama expand lets say he didn't it still wouldn't make sense as to tobirama being jiryias dad
It wouldn’t be possible bcz tobirama didn’t care about have a child nor loving a woman bcz he wanted to protect the leaf and watch the uchiha
Naruto has immense potential for new series about the lives of so many great characters. Would love to see, the 3 sanins since they were young and many others. Would be great. Hopefully finish the series before we die old!
You’ll be happy to know they’ve announced a new manga. Could definitely be from these past events
@@raneanubis really? whats the name and what about?? is kishi involved directly
@@user-pj5dv8ui5u I actually don't think they've announced who it's about but it's in the works
Orochimaru's closest relation would be the 3rd Mizukage. Similar appearance.
Very interesting video. Kishimoto created so many interesting characters and clans that we know so little about that if these characters and clans are fleshed out right would certainly spark a revival and passion for a much loved manga. There's so much potential back story that Kishimoto might have thought about doing but had no time as he wanted to wrap up the series within a certain time.
It's all accurate actually. Danzo and Hiruzen were the same age. Danzo was 70 years in Naruto part one while Orochimaru was 50 years of age. So basically Hiruzen and his students had a 20 year age gap between themselves. Hashirama died when Tsunade was around 3 years of age, so technically Hiruzen was around 23 years of age, ideal time when the 1st shinobi world war broke out. 10 years later he was the sensei of Orochimaru, Jiraya and Tusunade. The age gaps all fall in place.
So tobirama could be jiraya grandfather isn't it?
You got your ages wrong. Hiruzen was 68 when he died. He has an 18 year age gap with the Sanin and Hashirama died when Tsunade was a bit older than 3. Tsunade, Jiraiya and Orochimaru graduated the academy at 6, so Hiruzen became their sensei at 24.
What 3 year old Knows how to GAMBLE? Tsunade had a Brother .. the First Hokage Obviously Died in his 50s as a Granfather with More than 2 Grandchildren
The First Hokage had more than one Kid & Tsunade was at least Between 6-10 Gambling with the First Hokage
So how many years after Hashirama that Tobirama died? Your times seem to give him a very short reign at Hokage
What about tobirama i heard he was hokage for 12 years
Orochimaru is my favourite character of all time and has been for the past ~20 years. So it's great to learn a little more about him and his past. Thank you!
Fan or not. That Orochimaru stroyline with Sasuke drag on and was dull. Took over 300 episodes for him to take over a boy's body. And he failed.
They gave us Boruto instead of a prequel to give us all this information.
Ikr 😐😶😔
Even if Tobirama was Jiraya's father, it doesn't make his relationship with Tsunade any weirder. Not in the Naruto Franchise at least. Marrying cousins is very common for Ninja in Naruto. Uchia members marry within the Clan. Same with the Hyuga. It's all incest. Most clans do it. No one ever realizes it though. If a Uzumaki marries a Uzumaki, that means they are marrying their cousin. Now explain to me again why it would be weird for Jiraya being attracted to Tsunade if Tobirama is his father.
But if he's related to Tsunade's great-grandmother, then they are still distantly related.
I mean even if he was Tobirama's kid they would be second cousins. As he would be first cousins with Tsunade's father not Tsunade. And in the US today it is legal in virtually all states to marry a second cousin. But I mean everyone on Earth is related to some distant level.
@@TheLastSane1 who tf out here marrying they second cousin?😂😂 type time yall Neanderthals on
@@capo900 Google it, 20 out of 50 states allow FIRST cousin marriages (5 more if they are older than 55 or have genetic screenings and counseling). 42 out of 50 if its First Cousin Once Removed. 41 out of 50 allow sexual intercourse between cousins without it being illegal.
@@TheLastSane1 i never said it wasnt true But only yall YT people believe in shit like that😂 just because they made it legal doesnt mean it’s naturally right google what incest does to the offspring
@@TheLastSane1 I live in the U.S and second cousin married is frown upon lol.
“We don’t even know his clans name” *proceeds to say his dads last name*
I don’t know why you ruled out Jiraiya being Tobirama’s grandson. 2nd cousin marriages aren’t uncommon in small villages. Moreover, wouldn’t Jiraiya be much older than Tsuna if Joraiya were Tobirama’s son?
brainy onne bruh
Jhene Aiko dad had a kid at 78
also Jiraiya cant be of that clan... because Tsunade is wich would make their whole story incest x.x im tired of everyone trying to make out that EVERY CHARACTER IS AKTSUALY SENJU
Bruh it’s not even super uncommon for first cousins to marry in Japan so you’re not far off in your thinking.
Good theory.... But it's important to point out that Tobirama's mother was the same as Hashirama's and all of ttheir siblings who died during the Uchiha and Senju's feud. One of the youngest siblings had dark and white hair at the same time. A funny combination, but he was the sibling that Hashirama seemed to cry the most for after he was killed. We do not have much about parents of the previous generations and they never got to talk about it either. In fact, it is believed that most parents, were killed during the 2d great ninja. The leaf is like the USA country, a country that was or is composed by migrants seeking stability and safety. That's why there's a great deal of clans and diversity, unlike in the other villages. lol
Shikamaru Shinden is the best novel out here. Shikamaru is gonna be a threat to the world.
He put every Kage, including Naruto, into his shadow paralysis and said he was gonna end everyone in the room if they didn't obey. He is quickly falling to the dark side
That was not him turning to the “dark side. He was realizing that the meeting wasn’t really going anywhere and wanted to preserve the peace that they had risked their lives for as kids
yea, the simp kages.
why this wouldnt not work, naruto first used his kurama chakra that he stole from kurama he breaked out the shadow and other seals as well
Lol shikamaru? His problem is Chakra pool, trying to tell me he held 5 kage and threatened them?
I don't remember him doing that but I also don't like Boruto at all and haven't seen much after like episode 140ish. But nonetheless I doubt they were 100% controlled, just complying since he used excessive force.
It dont make since kissing cousins Jariya and Tsunande ...it would make since if Jariya is a Hatake, a distant side family of the Uzimaki Clan sort of like maybe the Namikaze Clan, theres still not enough information about the whiripool country or villiage ....one things for certain maybe the fox rampage and Hashirama and the Uzimaki Head Villiage elder seal it into Mito Uzimaki ...
Like if Naruto knew enough about his clans sealing technique he should just seal Boruto
They would be second cousins. Which is legal to marry in the US, and in fact many cultures consider second cousins to be outside the realm of direct incest. In GoT for example Ned Starks parents are Second Cousins, and Tywin's wife was his second cousin and thes were not scandalous arrangements.
The actual theory is that jiraiya is tobiramas grand daddy. And that jiraiya doesn't even know because it was hidden.
then Tsunade would be related to him and that would be weird if he had a crush on his own cousin. But then again it is a different culture. 🤷🏽♂️
Second cousin. Its legal in the US and in most of the world to marry a second cousin. Ned Starks parents in GoT are second cousins so not unheard of in fiction either.
@u nd me! Honestly I want someone to get this writer to confirm this theory just to bug you at this point because it clearly bothers you so much.
@@TheLastSane1 It's legal to marry your first cousin in Japan.
Considering everyone's age, I'm leaning towards Tobiranma's mother and Jiraya's parents being from the same clan. Hair and markings on the face.
No itama have b&w colored hair it is possible that ancient senju clan members may have white colored hair too
I would love to see an anime that touches on the back stories of the descendents of the Sage of Six Paths and his brothers. That kould tie up a lot of loose ends like what really happened to the Uzumaki Klan and Saskue Saratobi's villainy
Maybe Tobirama is the grandfather of Jiraiya, Hiruzen was a boy when he was on a 3 man team and Hashirama and Tobirama were his mentors, and Jiraiya was a boy when he was on Team Hiruzen.
Nobody lives long enough to become a grandparent in the ninja world. Except Hashirama
Hiruzen did, Konahamaru...
Okay not here to debunk the theory, but a small note on Tobirama & Senju Clan, so Tobirama, hashirama and their middle sibling were all related to the same set of parents. the middle sibling had weak traits of both, Hashirama being a true successor to his father's genes whereas Tobirama probably inherited from their mother. Since inter-clan marriages were quite common in the Narutoverse (Cough Hyuga & Uchihas being an exception) it is quite likely that the mother was from another clan having a diplomatic relationship with the Senjus.
Lol you bring up Tobirama & Jiraya’s hair, but then use pictures that show how completely different color and the styles are.
Didn’t realize Tobirama was Jiraya’s dad theory existed but it doesn’t sync time wise. However I always found it interesting the both always use res facial paint.
( Naruto Wgen getting his license painted himself with red and white, so originally I thought it might be brought up when Jiraya took Naruto. And the Shippuden wait, though it was “brief” compared to other shows. Still so many theories were coming out.
HASHIRAMA GRAND DAUGHTER = LADY TSUNADE
TOBIRAMA HASIRAMA BROTHER SON = JIRAYA THEN JIRAYA IS UNCLE OF LADY TSUNADE
To be her uncle he would have to be sibling to her father making him Hashirama's kid. If he was Tobirama's kid they would be second cousins.
Tobirama could be related to Kakashi.
Here's the problem with Tobirama being the Pervy Sages dad. That would make Tsuna and Jiryaha cousins and that's weird.
3rd cousins but yea still a little weird although nothing ever did happen between them
I also guess one of the parents of Tsunade is a Namikaze since She had yellow hair like Naruto and it really overpowered the red haired nature of the Uzumaki or perhaps Tsunade was a bastard granddaughter
What if Tobirama was an albino? That would explain the hair and the eyes.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that 🤔
If only in the anime they had been focus on telling these stories, instead they wasted time with horrible filler
Hashirama had a different mother from his younger brothers Tobirama, Itama, & Kawarama. Unless I am hugely mis-remembering didn't she like die in childbirth or something like Asura Ōtsutsuki? I mean Jiraiya could be Tobirama's grandson but Tobirama was blonde as a kid. He didn't really get the silver fox look until after adulthood. He looked more like Sakumo Hatake.
Then why did you put revealed
This would make tsunade and jiraya cousins. And jiraya loved Tsunade. So both being from the same family doesn't make alot of sense.
They would be second cousins genetically speaking which is legal in most countries even in feudal time periods (Ned Starks parents in GoT are second cousins). And they would not have been raised as family either.
It's not about being legal. Its just not ethical. In my opinion.
Tsunade and Jiraya are technically cousins now right?...
Yea and since they like each other kinda makes it sus lol
Plot twist..Hashirama and Tobiramas Mom is from the same clan as Kakashi and Kiba but married into the senju clan. That's where Tobirama gets his white hair from which he passed on to Jiraya
Kakashi and Kiba are from different clans
Major reach 😂😂 Kakashi dont even have white hair its grey
Tobirama's hair is clearly silver and jariaya's is white goofy
So? Tsunade's hair is blonde and her grandparents hair is Black and Red.
Why didn't we hear about Jiraiya's father earlier
Writers: cause we haven't thought of him yet
They can be relatives and still be romantically engaged. It is not uncommon in Japanese culture for cousins to marry. They have a word for these types of unions and have laws protecting the practice. One of their recent prime ministers is a product of such a union. Their relation could also have been the reason why the two never really settled down together.
Not anyone.. U people's take very wrong logic on cousin marriage.. First of all incest isn't thing in asia.. It maybe get in Western countries but not in asia.. And second is cousin marriage is particular like in distant cousin.. Or children of two different sister and brother.even it can cause some genetic disorder in birth. No children get married from two brothers or two sisters. It surely cause genetic disease in children and they can be disabled.. And about children of twins, thy r literally genetically siblings
Consanguineous marriages weren't uncommon literally everywhere past 100 years.
In Naruto all the clans you see are mostly full blooded. Uchia married Uchia and Hyuga marry Hyuga. Same with the Uzumaki and all the other clans. No one ever realizes the incest. For goodness sake, Itatchi had a Uchia member as a lover. I forget her name, bit she is a Uchia member. He has his cousin as a lover. Isn't all the incest in Naruto so obvious. Why does the Jiraya and Tsunade cousin thing freak everyone out?
Jaraiya is actually from a clan that is named ogataka he can't be related with tobirama
Tobirama is even a worse kage since he jump-started orichmarus defecting to the leaf .
actually he was the better hokage of all the seven hokages because
- he developed konoha's system like academy to the ninjas ranking
- he discovered secret of the sharingan and the consequence of the activation of mangekyo
- he create numbers of jutsu
Wat manga is this and wer to read ? Tnks
tsunade's parents, hashirama and mito have dark eyes like uchiha dark eyes, so since tsunade has senju in her last name her father must be the one who is the child of hashirama and mito that means tsunade's father will have mito's or hashirama's hair, tsunade's father is not be blonde but since tsunade's brother nawaki has brown hair that means tsunade's father would have had brown hair like hashirama, and tsunade's mother would have been blonde.
orochimaru's parents, one of them would black hair and one them would have been very pale, and one them would have orange/yellow eyes, they probably would have been normal ninjas, I mean both of them would have been normal ninjas but it's likely they would have been powerful but we don't have much info on them.
jiraiya's parents, now we have a lot less info on jiraiya's parents then tsunade, jiraiya's parents would have dark eyes and white hair, they probably would have been on the taller side.
and that's about all our info on them,
any info past that, is just guess work rather then facts, since the things I've said in this comment are based on how the sanin look like and what genes would have been pasted on, this is in no way a comment with bad intensions, I only want to share how they would really look like, anyways good job on the video, try to make it less speculative and more fact based, have good day -Random Commenter.
Stuff like this is muuuuuuuuuuuuch more interesting than Naruto geeky brat. The clowns gave up on the Naruto series waaaaaay to quick. THere are still so much material left to animate. -,-
No, I think The White Fang is Tobirama's son
A few episodes? They need a whole series!!!! Just like naruto, a series with them young and being trained by the 3rd hokage. And a series with them older during the war
Tobirama is clearly an Albino, it is clear with the red-eye and white hair, that why he is so different from Hashirama. Jiraya on the other hand has naturally white hair.
No way! And I bet the jutsu orochimarus parents were researching was the same as orochimaru researched for a long time. Edo Tensei! So it's basically his legacy!
Let me go ahead and kill this rightnow.... There is 0% chance jiraiya and Tsunade are directly related because of the simple fact that they are literally Ninja.... Ninja inside of an enclosed village... With a few clans and multiple generations.... It's literally impossible for the hidden leaf to exist without its stronger members being inbred
The series of Naruto focused mainly on wasting our times with talking and fillers, no character developments and no explanation of majority of the characters, hell, we don't even know The 3rd Hokage's parents, nor do we know Konohamaru's parents either, we only know that the 3rd is his grandfather and Asuma his uncle
Imagine if Jiarya had Senju genetics. Having a love interest for Tsunade (Momma Milkers) would’ve been seen as incest 🤣
I guess we can all agree on being able to see Tsunades HUGE... chakra reserves inherited from the Uzumaki Clan...
It was already stated in the anime that Orochimaru learned shuriken shadow clone jutsu from the third Hokage Hiruzen Sarutobi, do some research before you make videos next time
There is also the young senju with half grey hair that 5 uchihas killed in the war
We need prequel, Masashi Kishimoto should disband boruto and explain things that we need to know especially family tree of konoha ::)
The biggest question? What happened to the senju clan?
Thats an easy one.
Hashirama was the only one to to have offspring. His offspring had Tsunade and Nawaki. Nawaki died very young, so he never had children. Tsunade was the last of the Senju from there on unless her parents were still alive. She was in her 50s when she first appeared, so it was unlikely they were still alive when she came on the show/manga. Tsunade had no children because her lover died in battle. She is still alive, but even if she does find a new lover, she is too old to have kids. After she dies, the Senju Clan will cease to exist.
I hope this answered your question. Reply if you have any additional questions.
@@ItsMe-yx1zi bro Senju clad had so many members. What do you mean Hashirama was the only one with offspring? This was never even mentioned though.
@mok7281 Yes, but they parted after Hashirama died. He is what kept the clan together. After that, they went their separate ways. Maybe there is a couple currently unknown Senju out there, but it is very doubtful.
So no information at all on how it was revealed? It should be dont waste my time again next time that should be the caption
Well, tobirama definitely could be related with jiraiya but probably bot close relative maybe like 2nd/3rd uncle?
if Tsunade its the granddaughter of the first hokage, why couldent jiraiya be the grandson of the second hokage ? Its stupid that we dont even know his clan name
If this was true that Tobirama and Jiraiya were related, then it would be incest between Jiraiya and Tsunade which clearly debunks this theory since Kishimoto shipped them together.
that would make him tsunades second cousin......SWEET HOME ALABAMA!
Makes no sense, he didn't say anything to Tobirama (My Favorite Hokage() when he reanimated him
What I hate about these are all the what ifs and maybes. Like unless you KNOW it's a waste of time to watch.
I don't like how Naruto ended...we have lots of things we want to know...
When you start going into the backstory of villains you start to almost feel bad for them. Not everybody is born evil it’s always something that leads to it or leads up to it.
If a criminals are a result of their environment then who is to blame, is he criminal or the people around him
Interesting theory but the same can be said of successful people with the same shitty circumstances
If that’s the case are the people around to blame or is it the environment the people were placed in?
@@Gainsforlife Not really there's always a small factor that affects the kind of person they become.
So no the same can't be said for a successful person who went through similar circumstances. Take Gaara and Naruto for an example while Gaara is good he used to be a villian his childhood was shitty with no decent family. Naruto had iruka sensei, shikimaru, the ramen guy ect.
@@Mar-pd7ne gaara had his siblings. They had very similar situations but naruto didn’t use that as an excuse to be bad. So yes the same can be said of successful people who went thru similar situations. I’m tired or responding to idiots on the net who have zero experience or common sense such as yourself.
i am just curious why almost everyone says the names mirrored, if speaking of original, they are hatake sakumo, uzumaki mito.
That's not his dad. They say tobirama and hashirama were brothers. Same clan. Hashirama's granddaughter is Tsunade. Jiraiya flirted with her and maybe had feelings for her. So that would be gross if they are related.
Jiraiya said he never lost his parents when he was young. He was talking to naruto about maybe not understanding orochimaru.
What is Sasuke and Sakura are biological cousins. Sakura having a billboard brow could be from not having the sharingan jeans
If that is true then that makes tsunadai his cousin
Nahh if that was the case it means Jiraiya would be related to Tsunade, makes no sense. His dad is Amado an otsutsuki scientist. We will learn about this in Boruto and orochimaru parents are otsutsukis
I think tsunades father or mother is a namikaze. That is how they got the relationship with the namikaze and the main reason why mito teaches uzumaki technique to minato