Why Speedrunners Avoid Master Balls in Pokemon Emerald
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Great video! Emerald is my favorite game in the entire series to run due to how fast paced it is with the mach bike and the speedy battles, and the rng manipulations are extremely rewarding once you nail them down. Can’t wait to run this game again.
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@@PulseEffects Alright :)
The God himself. I watch your speedruns so I know what to do next in the story😅
I wish werster ran emerald more often
Nice profile picture! Made me do a double take.
Little extra thing: a quick ball actually takes more time than the master ball. This is because quick balls weren't introduced until gen 4, a whole 2 years later. So if you wanted to use a quick ball, you'd be waiting for a while
Really? I remember using them in Gen 3. But that was quite long ago, so it's probably a false memory.
@@obambagaming1467actually I think it's much more likely that they did in fact exist in Gen 3, but the entire world is simply building a conspiracy against you specifically to make you think that they never did. Why you ask? For the bit of course
@@the7569 I probably just mixed them up with another ball from gen 2
@@obambagaming1467 Fast Ball I bet
i love seeing vee pfps randomly in the wild
9:42 I'm pretty sure the actual reason Speedrunners don't use Quick balls in a Gen 3 game is because it appeared first in Gen 4 xD
Damn it. I knew I'd mix something we do in remakes with these games. 😫
Is that really correct? I know for a fact timer balls are in emerald but idk about quick. That's bizarre they weren't at the same time if so
@@Zackattackplayspokemon yes. It is really correct
@@Zackattackplayspokemon yeah the timer ball was gen 3 but its counterpart the quick ball was gen 4. the timer ball also got a huge buff in gen 7 so its catch rate increases much faster.
@@AmberLB93 Timer Balls got that buff in Gen 5
If you're wondering about the time loss of picking the Master Ball in Emerald, it's about 36 seconds
Bruh
@@zentisu2078 if you're running at even mid level, it is a free way to save 36 seconds, it is not a small amount
@@ch3rry833 you could waste a lot of time missing catches though no ?
@@philippedreux7155 as said in the video too, you can manipulate the catch with a pokeball. It's also one of the first pokeballs they give to you
@@ch3rry833 ok thank you, i started playing Pokémon in diamond and pearl, before that it was just the card, the anime and a bit of Pokémon on cousin’s game boy so i didnt know
Fitting that for kyogre they use a great ball which matches the color scheme
The Poke Ball matches Groudon too
And the Ultra Ball matches Rayquaza only if its shiny.
@@ugn154 i think the friendball
matches well with rayquaza
You did *not* just pronounce Kyogre “Kai-oh-gree”
This made me laugh too 😂
If you're interested in watching a full run of Sapphire, I recommend watching the AGDQ run from 2020 by Gunnermaniac. It's one of my favourite videos, they explain everything while going through it at an insane pace, and there's a ton of fun banter too!
I am really liking this channel nowadays for 95% sweet speedrunning content, and 5% the absolutely amazing butcherings of Pokémon pronunciations. I was starting to feel disappointed that everything was so well pronounced, until my ears caught that "KyogrEE" and everything in my world made sense again ❤️ it's like a Russian roulette wheel of mispronunciations! I can't wait to find out what's gonna be next!!
On all seriousness though, amazing video. Keep up the good job!
The official Hoenn pokerap does it even worse, key-oh-gree and grew-done, they also forgot relicanth and zigzagoon. its a fun listen
i hope u know it’s a on going meme right in the pokemon community
me and my brother always said kyogreee as a kid, and the first time i heard it pronounced right it sounded so bad. hearing kyogreee again was nostalgic lmao
"Kyogre-ee"
I have used one master ball in the last couple of generations. I can remember, and it was just to match Miriadon to it’s color scheme and because it’s name letter is on the ball.
Yes, I am very ball Bougie and I have been for years.
Catching legendaries used to feel so big and scary when I was a kid so I’d use a masterball but I dont even bother nowadays
@@20ZZ20I got the second Miraidon in a normal pokeball
So are you going to catch koraidon in a regular pokeball?
@@20ZZ20when it was gen 5, not sure if this was when it got easy cause it didn't feel so, it took me so many resets. But x and y, specifically y, I threw one quick ball and caught the yveltal. Easiest shit ever
At this point wouldn't it be better to try to hit the 1 frame for Rayquaza to shave off that many seconds if you want the WR? Similarly to how the current Red wr uses a super risky strategy
Nothing is stopping folks from trying, but the game is already verrrry difficult to speedrun as it is.
A 4 Frame ball catch just adds comfortable consistency 2 hours into the game.
I'm pretty sure that Red is way shorter game to speedrun, which justifies using riskier strategies more
I assume the game isn't quite active enough to require those kinda strats to get records
Time creep will eventually make this the standard. Cause any new strategy that comes up will always be slower if they use the safer trick. So anyone who isn't as good can steal a record by copying their strat and then going for the 1 frame. This forces everyone else to do the same or find a new strategy. I've watched a lot of speedrun history videos and that literally always happens
This is an amazing video, and really nice that you give creds to Amoeba as well for developping the manip strats. Really happy that it showed up on my recommended!
Great video! I was so confused for most of it but everything clicked at the end.
This was a really fun video with a solid explanation! I knew before that Brendan’s team is easier to tackle than May’s, but I never knew about not using the Master Ball! This is really cool!
It also helps that Brendan literally talks less than her lol. She also had a longer tutorial.
Great video as usual... would love to see one on the early gens of the games... specifically the crystal manips
Next month I think I'll cover this. 👀
9:38 Why don’t they use ultra or quick balls? Simple, quick balls don’t exist in gen 3. If you’re playing a gen 3 GBA game and you find a Quick Ball, you’re in a rom hack and that run would be DQ’d 😂
Clearly you underestimate my skill
I really like this type of videos explaining speedrun strategies, thanks!
202!
Gotta love these newer channels hitting the algorithm. You and ackotac are killing it lately.
Pulse isnt new, you’re just new
@@cazza710 up and coming may be the better phrase.
@@NorrisJonesYT he’s been a speed runner on twitch for a long time. But I don’t follow him here on RUclips and he recently popped up in my algorithm too.
3:22 The human eye is very capable of seeing higher frame rates which is why high refresh rate monitors exist. Also there is not an easy way to show this off on a 60fps video unless you were to halve the game’s speed (not framerate) and interpolate or frame blend which would give you more frames to work with but will not be a true comparison. Good video regardless
I'm glad someone called this out.
Is more because we have very inconsistent attention and therefore reaction times.
@@N12015 then why didn’t he say that? If that’s the case he should’ve said something true
I definitely wish I had formed the point I was trying to make a bit better. The research I put in mentioned that the vision can become quite blurred from frames higher than 30-60 FPS depending on the person!
My apologies if this was wrong. Trying to put in words how precise RNG Manipulations are is very hard.
@@PulseEffects it’s all good and the point still came across that it is indeed twice as hard to RNG manipulate the gen 3 games. I’ve just heard that incorrect rhetoric that humans cannot see above 60-75 fps so much online.
PulseEffects: Catching Rayquaza in a normal pokeball is a 0.4% chance to happen.
Me: But still a not impossible.
great video love the documentation and information
did not expect to hear trails in the sky music in this video. now thats something i like
"The human eye can barely perceive 60FPS"
BenQ: Am I a joke to you?
i never use my master ball
Same would just use quick ball or dusk ball + resets to catch it pretty quickly
@@Smiles-RUclips Neither of these exist in generation three, though, so probably just Ultra Balls instead (or Nets for Kyogre, I guess)
Same it’s too valuable
Same
My master ball is always saved for shiny gravelers and Electrodes
ooh love the trails FC battle theme
I just noticed Central Factory music in the background. Beautiful!!
In Sapphire as a kid I got to the top of the sky pillar to find I only had one ultra ball and nothing else. I threw it at Rayquaza who was still at full HP and it caught. First try. I have spent hours trying to couch Rayquaza in other games when it's HP is in the red lol
Trails in the Sky Sophisticated Fight, Nice choice for music.
these manips would be great for segmented speedrunning, but that's not often done any more.
Trails in the Sky Battle Theme in this Video is a Good music Choice :)
‘This is where kyogre or rayquaza will be based on the game we’re playing’ kyogre isn’t ever at sky pillar XD
I love May's facial expression in the thumbnail for this video.
She's like, "Pshh, keep your Master Balls, I don't need that shit!"
And rayquaza’ expression is like,for me?
Human eyes not being able to perceive 120fps is a myth, just saying
I like the thumbnail art of rayqauza just looking at may like "What the fuck"
the custom thumbnails art is such a nice touch
I paid like an extra $8 for this game back then on Gameboy... Emerald had extra content indeed.
watching this for like a 2nd or 3rd time and looking at the time you can see people replayed the voice crack part a bit haha
Sophisticated Battle in the background goes brrrr
YOU ARE PRODUCING THE WORK OF SOMEBODY WITH 1 MIL SUBS SO UNDERATED
“Your father who’s never home” That hit too close to home buddy
I know the pokeball trick with raquaza seems crazy but i didnt want to use my masterball and used every other ball i had and what i had left was 3 Primere balls and ended up catching it! Super cool to do and i still got that guy to this day
It's wild that pokemon speedruns have gotten to the point where there's someone running the game while using a metronome to time inputs in super tight frame windows.
Loving the trials music
The sky pillar is only for rayquaza, not kyogre. Thats the cave of origins i believe
I love the May thumbnail lol 😅
Only speedrunners make a Pokemon game into a rhythm game
I have done something similar in gen VI as a non speedruner. Want a shiney dialga, palkia, or girantina with the best possible stats you can get in gen VI? Turn pokemon into a rhythm game and you can get one.
Competitive players--especially VGC'ers before the advent of PKHex--have to be as adept at manips as speedrunners.
@@jordanthejq12 Ehh not really. The thing about being a competitive player is you aren't under time pressure, and all failing a manip does is cost a bit of time. It took me like 30 trys to do my first manip but it didn't matter because I wasn't speedrunning.
ayo the Sky Pillar Kyogre is crazy
Great video
The human brain can notice over 200 frames per second, let alone 60
the youngest protagonist is the sun moon protagonist and Red at 11, everyone is either 12-13 except gen 5 and 6 which are 14-16
we've never had a game protagonist aged 10 that's anime/ EU localiser error only
Can anyone tell me what is the background music starting at 2:30?
Reminds me of Trails series soundtrack but it's really quiet and I cant't figure it out
Dang I must be a speed runner then
I just heard a Trails in the Sky OST 👀
My guess before watching would be, that they try to get the instant catch, to save some seconds, or that there is a manipulation to do that.
Stuffing kids in a van since 02
You’ll met characters like .. your dad who’s never home. Accurate but the best joke ever. I laughed to hard at that man
😂 ROFL
I once caught Lv. 70 Groudon with Pokeball first catch.. I then tried it again and never happened for a thousand times 😂
i will never ever forget as younger kid i played sapphire, battled kyogre and just tossed a great ball at full health in anger because i forgot to buy ultra balls earlier. Somehow first encounter, full health, caught with the great ball! Its interesting to see how low my chances really were with all that RNG manipulations!
You really want to start that "human eye can't see 120 fps" war again?
Meanwhile on a casual playthrough, I keep the masterball and dupe it at the battle tower, it makes getting all of the legendaries, Latios/Latias especially, a lot easier.
How do you dupe it
@@Rng3VM4g3at the battle tower in emerald, you need to drop a pokemon off in the PC, I use an empty box. You can do u to 5 pokemon, as you need the party slots. Once you have deposited your pokemon, save the game. But keep the game running. Then retrieve the pokemon you deposited, then go to the lady at the counter closet to the PC. Go through her dialogue and enter the singles with pokemon, once she asks you to save, turn of and on the game. Check the PC and boom dupes
That thumbnail is simply ADORABLE
Kyogerey
I have a little story of my childhood and my brother can confirm it. Once when I was younger, I was playing pokemon sapphire along my bro. I went to the cave where you get Kyogre... This spawned asleep... And then I just threw a Pokeball... I caught it... On the first try... It was the most LEGENDARY thing I've ever done...
Let's goooo
Can they even spawn asleep?.😮
@@ahmedrizwan7235 I would imagine it got effect spored by their breloom or something and they didn't notice
I don't wanna burst your bubble, but pokemon encounters cannot start with a sleeping pokemon, something must have happened
8:50 KYO WHAT NOW?!?!?👀
Now I know where my dad went all those years ago. He went to work. But then he never left there
What is that tool shown at 9:17? I can't seem to find it.
Wish I knew about rng manipulation back in the days, having legendaries in non-master ball was such a flex.
Bro it took like 10 min to catch one with pokeballs
What like an ultraball? That's what you use. Save the masterball for a shiney that might run.
Nice video
Wow wave warrior is 🔥
Hey man enjoying the video si far but what's the song at 2 minutes 20 seconds in its driving me crazy I know that song but I forgot the name
Trails In The Sky Battle Theme!
Hey that's me!
8:49 kyoGREE?!?
I understood the word mudkip
What's the song at 7:11
Swear I've heard it before, but can't put my finger on it. Wanna say it's from Xenoblade Chronicles 1, but not sure
He's way to loud and doesn't stop talking during that, so I can't say for sure
Is no one gonna talk about how he used Trails in the Sky music? Y'all need to play Trails.
Pokemon speedrun is a rhythm heaven mini game
Why aren't the ruby/sapphire boards split?
so.... the 60flps was why it took me days to rng manipulate a shiny starter and near missing so many times.
can someone tell me the background song used at 7:10?
Tnx for vid
I'm losing my mind, anyone remember the name of the sad song 1:06 or what is was from?
Did he just say kyogerie 8:47
Heyyyyyyyyy, Wii U rainbow road music 😊
this man pronounces it key-oh-gree
Am I hearing trails music?? you’ve gained my respect
Which has what fps exactly?
Legend of Heroes music is always a like
the human eye can barely comprehend 60 fps:
me: why is 60 fps so lag vs 100+ fps
The fact that the master ball is skippable in emerald I wouldn't even go for it if I'm speed running
It is required unless you can hit a 4-frame 120 FPS window.
Bruh i catch all the legendary pokemon without the masterball. Now masterball sittin in PC wondering why it exists.
i wonder why runners use shock wave instead of thunder. thunder becomes 100% accurate in rain, which kyogre sets up, and its not gen 5 where weather isnt permanent, so wouldn't thunder just be better shockwave in this situation?
The only reason i can think of is maybe its a time loss to go to the lilycove store for it?
Could also be how long the animations take
Every little thing can save even just a nanosecond lol
@@solarboyaaron4652 they dont have animations turned on in speedruns for sapphire. Atleast as far as im aware
You have to beat your rival outside the Lilycove store to get the Thunder TM, which loses time compared to just settling for Shock Wave. Besides you'll be using surf and ice beam more anyway
@johanericsson7309 if im not mistaken, or the rout has changed, im pretty sure they do that fight already anyways. Because thats where they do their final shop for x items and 3 of the special attack ev items.
As a Pokémon casual player, my brain hurts now
I wonder what Nintendo thinks abot ACE especially in OoT
Thank you, after watching this video, I can now pretend to understand everything you said...
"Your father who is never home"? Hey i call bs, he's actually at home after you beat the elite 4 in ruby sapphire
Kai-oh-gree....?
The hell is that?
Abra manip is so hard but it's so good when you nail it
Holy shit Trails music???
Trails in the sky ost!!!!! 4:03
I can't believe you aren't popular
I think that's because he doesn't know how to say names.