Here's a suggestion for Scopely. All STFC employees must play STFC, must complete all dailies, all passes, all monthly arc missions, and must complete all loops daily. Two things this accomplishes. First, they will be forced to acknowledge our pain. And second, it will eat up so much of their day they wont have time to keep adding more and more gring into the game, thus forcing them to start abiding by the quality over quantity lie they told us at the start of the year.
There is SO MUCH TIME DEMAND in this game. I'm free to play Ops50, I've ignored the Titan, I've only recently got the NX01, the Eviscerator grind is coming at some point, event stores don't let me catch up, and now there's complicated currencies and non-standard timing limits in systems to wrap my head around. I feel like I don't play this game anymore, I *endure* it.
I've been in the same boat - ops 51 and skipped Titan, Freesha, got other ships/officers months after the arc, etc. Yet, I was still grinding for hours a day to tread water. Am currently on an extended break to see if I want to go back. Coincidentally came across an Ars Technica article about grinding in Diablo... interesting read.
It sounds like they asked, what was the worst part of every past arc, and put them together into 1... tokens from borg/silent, Slow mining from augment and territory, multiple currency from voyager. Etc etc etc.
My big objection to this is the timer aspect, I feel we've gone from a fairly 'idle' game you could play casually to now several things that require uninterrupted focus. Waves take about 10-15 minutes of dedicated focus, now these are going to take 20+ minutes of committed focus. So it's not just about time demand in general now, I can play 2-3 hours a day and get things done, BUT... I often cannot play uninterrupted, the whole reason I started to play this was it's something you could do while doing other things, Start an Armada... go to class, kill 20 hostiles while I'm on the bus, It's a mobile game. Most mobile games don't make you play 20-30 minutes with full attention, I'd play a Real game then.
This post is a month old. This is the first arc where I just said...."I'm not doing this." I didn't do any of it. Not one event. I'm level 57. I decided today I need to either figure this out or decide if I want to quit altogether. I watched the vid, and I'm like wtf. Why would you make something so convoluted. So I'm leaning more towards the latter now.
This arc is the one that I think will end my time playing this game. Everyone says too many currencies, scopely response in more currencies. Too many daily chores, so……more and more chores. A re-invention or the game nearly every arc has gotten beyond old. I never bothered with much of the new content such as artifacts, isolytic damage, cascade damage, etc. Way too confusing and always aimed at big spenders anyhow. Enough. It used to be a fun game until you had to take a training course to play and then obligate numerous hours at playing daily. For some they love this. I’ll wager most share my sentiments Ciao stfc. It was fun. Now it isn’t
Gotta love how they add more research to make the high levels even stronger in PvP. If the power mismatch wasn’t already bad enough, let’s make it worse. Now I can enjoy watching 50+ smack me around with no effort at all while I’m sitting mid 30s and can’t do anything about it. Since all this new stuff is aimed at 40+. Seems scopely seem hell bent on removing light spending 30s ops
This will be another add-on that I will mostly ignore. Waves, Gorn, Xindi, Silent Enemy all suck. Fix what’s broken. Give us things that will really help - i.e. ability to tag individual players, fix the range gap so bigs can’t beat on littles, give us reasonable paths to earn new ships/officers that we can currently only get through $$. The list goes on and on.
It is ... unbelievably annoying to move through these systems. Just let me click on a system, tell me the total cost, and let me hit go. I spent 5+ minutes of my 20 getting to the system I wanted because I had a slow moving battleship crew on.
To add PvP to this type of design was undoubtedly one of their worst decisions yet. Terr0rists just have to camp the entrance and can ruin your day and your event progress with one click knowing that you won't have any tokens to redo it...
@@georgewoodrow3339that will only work part of the time. Once the griefers get settled in you will have people camping around the entrance points and as soon as they see a low hull ship attack. A few days later some of them will enter the mirror side of the entrance point and run you down as you are forced to exit from one of three points and then there will be a few 50+ that will actually decide to clean out the mining systems once a day. This design sets everything up for the benefit of the spenders and griefers. They can't get players to eliminate ROE so they make mechanics to incentivise ignoring it.
@@nickm9102 I am not even sure the spenders will benefit from this, as all their spending is going to do it let the griefers kill them more often then the rest of us.
For me this is the first arc i am not looking forward to completing.... i am a light spender i buy cheap battle pass and flash pass.... i was so stoked i was able to tier up my carol to 2 hoping to compete with bigger folks... now they got mirror picard who all but negates here. Every time i feel im a step ahead i get knocked back 3.. luckily im in a good alliance with a lot of smart game folks.. as always thanks rev you have helped me immensely with the game
this has nothing to do with quality: this is just too much at once. - while the old problems have not been fixed yet. But Thanks Rev for making the video
Being a slow player and light spender, just reached ops 35. More and more arcs are being added to 40+...... makes me not want to go 40+. Who has the time for more and more(quantity) loops. I'm afraid I didn't apply for this full-time job......
Here is one way I have looked at it when I was lower ops and new content skipped me. Is once you get there all the bugs are worked out, how it's done been figured out. It's going to be a lot easier for you then being there from day 1.
Gonna need to fire-up Waze to figure-out which route has the least tolls and trolls. If I understand it, the net of this arc is what, a bunch of complexity, tons more time-consuming grinding (if you've been in mirror, it's worse than a 10 minute warp because you have to babysit it at each transfer system, and keep your head on a swivel because PvP) to get some PvP officers so that already massively OP whales can do stuff. Cool.
What was that they said about quantity? ...I play routinely but I seldom have 20 uninterrupted minutes. Q's trials is an ideal time commitment. This loop, on the other hand, is begging to get left behind. Way too much going on. I'll probably try to stock up on currency while catching up on other loops so that in 3-6 months I can plow through this loop more quickly than if I start it now. Worked for the Bajoran and Voyager loops anyway. Thanks for the scoop, Rev!
What sucks is you best have your wifi connection on point as any glitch or difficulty staying connected will cause you lost time as your limited! And we know scopley wont care if your game crashes!
Woof. 20 minutes a run. I don’t have an extra 20 minutes of game time per day, so I’ll either have to skip this or replace a majority of the other loops to do it.
S27 person here - Already hate it! If they wanted tiered regions - fine, have a GROUP of systems for each one and tollgate entry into each cluster just once. Having a tollgate between every system (some of which have no discernable distinction from the next) is pure frustration. Throw onto that the time limit of 20 min, and the no reward if your ship dies? Pointless. There is also no obvious timer to tell a player how long a ship has left. Why even have extraction points if it costs rss to even get there??
Always Appreciate your efforts to explain things Rev, but honestly, by a mere 3:07 in, u had shared WAY more info then I was frankly interested in hearing, and the worst part is I don't even think you're a quarter of the way through explaining the process... Don't have the time nor the desire for more needless grind... I don't care what they put in their "loot" chests anymore
So in 40s you have - Monaveen, Xindi, Silent, Gorn and now this? On top of previous loops. Xindi for me is a must because of Ex-Borg, Monaveen is good, but have hard time justify religious grind on Silent and Gorn.
Each rift have keys. Common and uncommon and gold. Etc. so the 300 entrance tokens is so BS. When the only free drip is 3 entrances per 3 days!! Thanks for giving us new content that u limit to 20 minutes a day. (3 free every 3 days, so 1 free per day). Add on the keys you need it’s like a box wrapped in another locked box locked in another locked box. Awesome.
Great video rev as always, but wow that's a lot of stuff to get done, personally I like the idea of a time limit tho would probably put it to 30min and having to pay to enter every single system is going to be a true pain point.
Thank you for the info rev! I look forward to doing this in 6 months when all the pieces have released and it doesn’t look as god awful. For now I have enough loops that I don’t have time to complete
Hot Take: I love the Maze nature of the new space...One Currency would help. The Timer takes all Fun and Enjoyment out of this truly interesting and novel idea. It could be a nice back burner, play with it when I have time project. I can't even explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations in Star Trek. Boo.
I just leveled up to 40 last week (YAY ME!!!) The Mirror Expeditions Free Chest is showing inactive. How do I activate it? Speaking of level 40, do you have a video of all the new stuff that comes with it? I'm a little overwhelmed with everything.
Quite a clever strategy from Scopes - overwhelm the whinging bar stards with new stuff. To be honest, I'd welcome a zero content free month for a more stable game.
Now my head hurts…And I agree w/the other poster - - all Scopely decision-makers MUST play the game, some using money, others F2P. But they must complete all these tasks and arcs and grinds just like we do. And experience the slowdowns, freezes, glitches…AND USELESS VAULTS OF OLD CURRENCIES.
I find it interesting but I will need a round to it. I have a question for @RevDeuce and community as a whole who is done 100% complete any of the previous content of the last 2 years?
The only feedback I have on this is the color scheme, of green and grey, it isn't very accessibility friendly, do you know if they will be changing this?
I want to be the first of many to say since The ISS Jellyfish is a Mirror Universe Ship, could we get some efficiency or cost relief on this ship? Buff it or something. And I will be skipping this. Just like I did waves, The Voyager etc...
I'd suggest dipping into waves just long enough to unlock the armada rushing ability. It gives a generous drip of daily armada rush currency everyday for no further effort.
This has to be the most convoluted and annoying loop grind they've done so far. So many new currencies, different tokens for moving between different systems, time limits... Is it really worth the effort?
I'm begging Scopely to please streamline collecting daily refineries and gift chests. It takes 20 minutes every morning to collect everything and that's completely unacceptable. Please create some sort of function to enable whether to collect things daily or not and a "collect all" that functions off of what is turned on to collect with that button. The obnoxious amount of time it takes to collect things and how nearly every single month there's more daily junk to collect adding even more time to it is my single biggest pain point in this silly mobile game. Please, do something to improve the quality of collecting daily refineries and chests to offset the obnoxious amounts of quantity that continues to be added.
I agree 100%! I laughing refer to it as the morning paper work. Get a refill on your coffee cup, get comfortable in your chair and begin this 15 - 20 minute chore. There has to be a simpler way to do this!
Sounds like a cool idea. But i really hate alle the new currencys. I was in the System 3 times yesterday....once just dying in 5 seconds. So there is that. Now i have to wait 3 days? but wait...i get a new sms tomorrow i now cannot participate?
Umm.......it doesn't seem to work on my server. There's no Mirror Universe tab in my refinery and when I try to travel to another system from Wolf, Alpha Centauri, and Sirius it says "No valid Spatial Rip found. Please try later". Is this thing functional ???
you just get kicked out, if your live that long. If your hull gets low do not count on the timer kicking you out. With no protected cargo someone will likely kill you if you just float waiting on that when low hull.
I’m tired of all these loops and this one sounds like it’s worth skipping, especially if your alliance gets tangled in PVP. Thanks for the info, it’s going to be a quieter month for me.
Common key cap at 600 is stupid cos it takes 600 commons just to reach unco. Mon systems once. Yes you can use premium but 2% drop rate on trell d refinery, yet you need keys to get trell d?
Just to be clear, at the end of the 20 minutes you aren't automatically ejected from mirror space back into our universe? How exactly does that work? You're still in the mirror universe but don't get anything for killing hostiles?
@@sgt.kilrain6891 You get ejected to one of the three entry systems (Mirror Alpha Centauri, Mirror Wolf or Mirror Sirius). I'm not sure if it's to the nearest or the one you entered from. These systems do have protected cargo.
Moving through the systems is an issue. The hostiles are fairly easy to kill for me at ops 55. Would've been nice if they gifted us one loot exo and more vouchers
yeah, one try - timed out (nowhere PRACTICALY VISIBLE time of the voucher - why it is not in the ships ability part???? like cerritos bufs, etc) | second attempt - forgot not to LOOSE against a hostile | third attempt trying to find the best adversary for loot crew ... well, not much as one would anticipate = higher system, more rewards, no no no.... so im out for next 3 days .... shield and do real life stuff
I wish the chests only dropped Trellium A and D. I keep getting useless ship parts and definitely getting better return on Trellium by making sure I don't go boom and dock the loot.
Rev. Nice video as always, but yet anther loop !! Scopely! Enough is Enough, I'm level 49. And can only just keep up as it is , let alone do my dailys I quit ,
All I could think of when watching this video was.... this HAS to be a joke. This was quickly followed by the overwhelming feeling that this must have been designed by a committee. As you kept jumping around the different levels of play, different currencies...etc, I visualized a group of people in a meeting room saying 'yeah, throw that in too. And that.... just add another currency.... think of the packs we will sell'. After watching the video, I couldn't help think that this is going to be another flop for the game. After almost 5 years playing, it seems to me that Scopely is getting further and further away from the player community and what makes a good feature for this game.
I have been playing this mechanic to try to give it a fair shake and I simply cannot believe how much I loathe this mechanic. It is simply horrible and overly complex. @revdeuce - I can give you my grade now... it's a big, fat, F
Does anyone know if there is another Ascension type thing after ops 40? Just want to prepare for a possible need to get a new ship to progress. Thanks all 😊
As far as I know there is not for g6, and being in g5 now myself there was not any ascension type thing to need to get. Just the wall of so many station parts and the high cost they reach to go 49-50, then 51 and g5 cheap to enter. Which I believe happens again 59-60 with 61 and g6 being pretty cheap station wise to enter.
PvP vs pve points are really skewed towards the PvP players 10 to 1. And the PvP players are going to hit the smallest they can find because it’s less damage to them and easier to repair. So much to me a lvl 40 player and all the rest of them also
I'm likely to mostly ignore this loop even if I want the rewards this is peak mobile phone, A bunch of new currencies and mess to keep track of that soak up even more time. And lets just break pvp even more with another shield and even more broken effects.
In our server we in war wit a group of bullies... best safe way: cloak...go to rifts, more rifts...look around...kill hostiles...actualy at lev51 give me 8-9k but better the hostile loot boxes same round 30k loot... if the hull remain 5-10%, cloak again and go home with rifts...so many rifts... totaly bullshit content...
Sounds like Scopely is trying to make this game into something it isn't. What I mean is, extraction shooters have been popular for a while. COD DMZ, PUBG, Escape from Tarkov. Having to make it to an extraction point while dodging campers, high risk, high reward, IDK. This just isnt the game I signed up for yrs ago. Shout out to my oldschool server 32 homies
I really wonder sometimes if Scopley understands its customers. This new arc proves to me they don’t. Many don’t have the ability to actively play a game for 20 minutes uninterrupted. This isn’t a game for kids with nothing to do.
Would be nice if you wouldn't have to MANUALLY move one system at a time to your target destination you already explored in the past. Would be nice if the game would notice, oh, you had been there before? thats 2 common, 1 uncommon and one epic jump required. You got the tokens? fine, one click, all tokens get deducted and you get moved there directly.
1) Quality vs Quantity? lolol 2) Too many currencies? here's another one 3) Too many loops? Here's another one 4) Reducing the amount of stuff we need to do every day? lolol 5) Cleaning up the junk we have in inventory from previous arcs/loops/events? lolol 6) QoL fixes/adjustments? lolol I'm not one of those folks that is going to declare that "I am leaving the game because of this travesty of justice!!!"" But... Go ahead, Scopely... Just admit it if you are just trying to get blood from a turnip, at this point. ,, and Yes, Rev... I understand that you will point out how many NEW players stfc has....."IT'S GROWING!!!! " My counter would be... How many continually paying players are there? How much are the OG players paying compared to previously? THAT is the metric that needs to be investigated. I suspect Scopely knows the answer to that question... and that is why they are always pushing something new. They haven't figured out how to keep the average OG player around, so let's dangle the new shiny thing. Please don't get me wrong.... I'm not all doom and gloom... I'll be around as long as the game is, but..... Stuff like this arc isn't going to convince me to give them anything more than the $20 a month maintenance fee (aka BattlePass) Scopley... PLEASE listen to what the players are asking for.... trust me. this isn't it.
Some "new" players are there for other reasons to. "reach level 20 and get X,Y,Z" I've even seen people say they are paid to reach level 20 within x amount of time its their job. Few of these people stick around. And you can see it on incursions how many dead or dying servers there are.
yeah, i will do just events, don't even wanna bother with that locked mission or mirror grind. i really dislike this and will look at it as i am looking at borg cube, waves, formation armadas... just ignoring unless there is an event.
I am convinced that scopely either no longer listens or straight up no longer cares. I am a level 56 on several 31 (that just shellacked 20 in incursions) and I am ready to delete the game I am tired of new loops and grinds all designed to make you spend money when they can’t make the game stable and function properly.
Ok so this BS... what happened to putting in quality? That being said... Rev, you didn't state what happens if/when the timer runs out. Do you lose everything as if you were defeated or what? Also are they going to limit you on how many keys you collect in the daily refinery or do you get to horde? This also now means that I HAVE to use to ops 40. Thanks a lot dopely!
Here's a suggestion for Scopely. All STFC employees must play STFC, must complete all dailies, all passes, all monthly arc missions, and must complete all loops daily.
Two things this accomplishes. First, they will be forced to acknowledge our pain. And second, it will eat up so much of their day they wont have time to keep adding more and more gring into the game, thus forcing them to start abiding by the quality over quantity lie they told us at the start of the year.
They will never get any actual work done if they are required to actually play the game.
Yeah and if they don't they get their pay cut in half, I'd buy a BP just to see it happen
Actually, we got the power to force a change... if enough people back it. #SayNoToGrinding
Lolll, corect.
I told Obs Hamster this yesterday, no response.
There is SO MUCH TIME DEMAND in this game. I'm free to play Ops50, I've ignored the Titan, I've only recently got the NX01, the Eviscerator grind is coming at some point, event stores don't let me catch up, and now there's complicated currencies and non-standard timing limits in systems to wrap my head around.
I feel like I don't play this game anymore, I *endure* it.
I wouldn't have skipped the Titan since you can get free FC credits daily.
Max fortification and other boosts from the titan can help you take down big things that you normally couldn't hit including q trials.
I love the Titan.
I've been in the same boat - ops 51 and skipped Titan, Freesha, got other ships/officers months after the arc, etc. Yet, I was still grinding for hours a day to tread water. Am currently on an extended break to see if I want to go back. Coincidentally came across an Ars Technica article about grinding in Diablo... interesting read.
It sounds like they asked, what was the worst part of every past arc, and put them together into 1... tokens from borg/silent, Slow mining from augment and territory, multiple currency from voyager. Etc etc etc.
😂
And no protected cargo
Basically.
Quanity month fer sure
My big objection to this is the timer aspect, I feel we've gone from a fairly 'idle' game you could play casually to now several things that require uninterrupted focus.
Waves take about 10-15 minutes of dedicated focus, now these are going to take 20+ minutes of committed focus.
So it's not just about time demand in general now, I can play 2-3 hours a day and get things done, BUT... I often cannot play uninterrupted, the whole reason I started to play this was it's something you could do while doing other things, Start an Armada... go to class, kill 20 hostiles while I'm on the bus, It's a mobile game.
Most mobile games don't make you play 20-30 minutes with full attention, I'd play a Real game then.
I never thought an arc launch could inspire me to quit caring more and faster
This post is a month old. This is the first arc where I just said...."I'm not doing this." I didn't do any of it. Not one event. I'm level 57. I decided today I need to either figure this out or decide if I want to quit altogether. I watched the vid, and I'm like wtf. Why would you make something so convoluted. So I'm leaning more towards the latter now.
This arc is the one that I think will end my time playing this game. Everyone says too many currencies, scopely response in more currencies. Too many daily chores, so……more and more chores.
A re-invention or the game nearly every arc has gotten beyond old. I never bothered with much of the new content such as artifacts, isolytic damage, cascade damage, etc. Way too confusing and always aimed at big spenders anyhow.
Enough. It used to be a fun game until you had to take a training course to play and then obligate numerous hours at playing daily.
For some they love this. I’ll wager most share my sentiments
Ciao stfc. It was fun. Now it isn’t
Hey, at least this time there's not a new special purpose ship
Yet
@@ArtStoneUS Watch Scopely drop Discovery-A, Defiant-A or the ISS Enterprise.
Gotta love how they add more research to make the high levels even stronger in PvP. If the power mismatch wasn’t already bad enough, let’s make it worse. Now I can enjoy watching 50+ smack me around with no effort at all while I’m sitting mid 30s and can’t do anything about it. Since all this new stuff is aimed at 40+. Seems scopely seem hell bent on removing light spending 30s ops
This will be another add-on that I will mostly ignore. Waves, Gorn, Xindi, Silent Enemy all suck. Fix what’s broken. Give us things that will really help - i.e. ability to tag individual players, fix the range gap so bigs can’t beat on littles, give us reasonable paths to earn new ships/officers that we can currently only get through $$. The list goes on and on.
Logged in, looked at the new content and thought, i really can't be bothered. Anyone remember looking forward to a new BP?
Not only do I not look forward to new arcs, I actually dread the start of new arcs! This isn't a game anymore, it's a second full time job.
@@sgt.kilrain6891 at least with a job you're the one getting paid 🫤
It is ... unbelievably annoying to move through these systems. Just let me click on a system, tell me the total cost, and let me hit go. I spent 5+ minutes of my 20 getting to the system I wanted because I had a slow moving battleship crew on.
Great idea ... it would make warp speed investment more worthwhile too.
First time I've thought about quitting the game on day 1 of an arc
Pvp in new area is insane all they did was give the whales and bullies a chance to beat on smaller guys yet again
To add PvP to this type of design was undoubtedly one of their worst decisions yet. Terr0rists just have to camp the entrance and can ruin your day and your event progress with one click knowing that you won't have any tokens to redo it...
even the hostiles take your cargo, if they kill you! these mega chests better be awe-mazing! otherwise, it sounds like a resources drain.
@tluvrock just watch your hull close and stop before you die and wait for timer to.run out
@@georgewoodrow3339that will only work part of the time. Once the griefers get settled in you will have people camping around the entrance points and as soon as they see a low hull ship attack. A few days later some of them will enter the mirror side of the entrance point and run you down as you are forced to exit from one of three points and then there will be a few 50+ that will actually decide to clean out the mining systems once a day.
This design sets everything up for the benefit of the spenders and griefers. They can't get players to eliminate ROE so they make mechanics to incentivise ignoring it.
@@nickm9102 I am not even sure the spenders will benefit from this, as all their spending is going to do it let the griefers kill them more often then the rest of us.
For me this is the first arc i am not looking forward to completing.... i am a light spender i buy cheap battle pass and flash pass.... i was so stoked i was able to tier up my carol to 2 hoping to compete with bigger folks... now they got mirror picard who all but negates here. Every time i feel im a step ahead i get knocked back 3.. luckily im in a good alliance with a lot of smart game folks.. as always thanks rev you have helped me immensely with the game
Holy cow. I’m gonna have to watch this video ten times. I don’t think I’ve seen Rev talk so fast before 😂
You're right, so much to cover he had to speed talk.
.5 playback speed Rev sounds drunk 🥴 😂(your drunk go home) just kidding thanks again Rev keep it coming and being the scopely stfc Rosetta stone.
Remember what Scopely said a few months ago? "Quality over quantity" If they told me it was going to get dark tonight I wouldn't believe them....
Sounds painful, while I accept it may have long term benefits, it’s just another long winded, convoluted loop that we don’t need right now.
this has nothing to do with quality: this is just too much at once. - while the old problems have not been fixed yet. But Thanks Rev for making the video
Being a slow player and light spender, just reached ops 35. More and more arcs are being added to 40+...... makes me not want to go 40+. Who has the time for more and more(quantity) loops. I'm afraid I didn't apply for this full-time job......
Here is one way I have looked at it when I was lower ops and new content skipped me. Is once you get there all the bugs are worked out, how it's done been figured out. It's going to be a lot easier for you then being there from day 1.
that's a lot of information to take in. wow
Very!
It's waaay too much, I feel sorry for you Rev, you can't afford to just skip the whole thing altogether like the most of us will do.
You're right... xD
Long term I think this will be a good thing. Month 1 it's pretty awful.
Gonna need to fire-up Waze to figure-out which route has the least tolls and trolls. If I understand it, the net of this arc is what, a bunch of complexity, tons more time-consuming grinding (if you've been in mirror, it's worse than a 10 minute warp because you have to babysit it at each transfer system, and keep your head on a swivel because PvP) to get some PvP officers so that already massively OP whales can do stuff. Cool.
Best advice, skip it
Completely understandable until this thing gets an overhaul
Even bestest advice, skip the game. Time and money sink.
Starting to think i'll skip the whole game , stfc is becoming a full Time job .
Done.
@@RevDeuce like how territories got an overhaul? oh no we're still waiting for that.....
How many hrs a day do they expect us to play? It’s ridiculous lol
Our every waking moment.
Like others have said, I too will not be boarding this nope train to Nothankyouville, that's too much to deal with.
What was that they said about quantity? ...I play routinely but I seldom have 20 uninterrupted minutes. Q's trials is an ideal time commitment. This loop, on the other hand, is begging to get left behind. Way too much going on. I'll probably try to stock up on currency while catching up on other loops so that in 3-6 months I can plow through this loop more quickly than if I start it now. Worked for the Bajoran and Voyager loops anyway. Thanks for the scoop, Rev!
Ty Rev fore everything great info ..dirtykhan,GSC.lvl40,serv,97
What sucks is you best have your wifi connection on point as any glitch or difficulty staying connected will cause you lost time as your limited! And we know scopley wont care if your game crashes!
@RevDeuce always appreciate the info you provide 👍
Thanks Sion!
Woof. 20 minutes a run. I don’t have an extra 20 minutes of game time per day, so I’ll either have to skip this or replace a majority of the other loops to do it.
S27 person here - Already hate it! If they wanted tiered regions - fine, have a GROUP of systems for each one and tollgate entry into each cluster just once. Having a tollgate between every system (some of which have no discernable distinction from the next) is pure frustration. Throw onto that the time limit of 20 min, and the no reward if your ship dies? Pointless. There is also no obvious timer to tell a player how long a ship has left. Why even have extraction points if it costs rss to even get there??
The timer is on your ship above the captain portrait.
Who ever dreamt up this loop needs to see a psychiatrist. I don’t need a second graduate degree.
Always Appreciate your efforts to explain things Rev, but honestly, by a mere 3:07 in, u had shared WAY more info then I was frankly interested in hearing, and the worst part is I don't even think you're a quarter of the way through explaining the process... Don't have the time nor the desire for more needless grind... I don't care what they put in their "loot" chests anymore
I quit this game a few months ago and nothing I've seen since has given me any wish to return.
Thanks for explaining this complicated new addition
So in 40s you have - Monaveen, Xindi, Silent, Gorn and now this? On top of previous loops. Xindi for me is a must because of Ex-Borg, Monaveen is good, but have hard time justify religious grind on Silent and Gorn.
Each rift have keys. Common and uncommon and gold. Etc. so the 300 entrance tokens is so BS. When the only free drip is 3 entrances per 3 days!! Thanks for giving us new content that u limit to 20 minutes a day. (3 free every 3 days, so 1 free per day). Add on the keys you need it’s like a box wrapped in another locked box locked in another locked box. Awesome.
I'm a little bit gun shy to grind these after the multiple warnings about MU Entry before you'll score points!
Great video rev as always, but wow that's a lot of stuff to get done, personally I like the idea of a time limit tho would probably put it to 30min and having to pay to enter every single system is going to be a true pain point.
Thank you for the info rev!
I look forward to doing this in 6 months when all the pieces have released and it doesn’t look as god awful. For now I have enough loops that I don’t have time to complete
Hot Take: I love the Maze nature of the new space...One Currency would help. The Timer takes all Fun and Enjoyment out of this truly interesting and novel idea.
It could be a nice back burner, play with it when I have time project. I can't even explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations in Star Trek. Boo.
In the past you have advised against building the G4 Faction Miners. Has that now changed with the addition of this new loop?
I just leveled up to 40 last week (YAY ME!!!) The Mirror Expeditions Free Chest is showing inactive. How do I activate it? Speaking of level 40, do you have a video of all the new stuff that comes with it? I'm a little overwhelmed with everything.
The end game of this process is you wind up with a multiplier that applies to your health points
What happens when the timer runs out? Does your ship get kicked out, or does it blow up?
Quite a clever strategy from Scopes - overwhelm the whinging bar stards with new stuff. To be honest, I'd welcome a zero content free month for a more stable game.
Now my head hurts…And I agree w/the other poster - - all Scopely decision-makers MUST play the game, some using money, others F2P. But they must complete all these tasks and arcs and grinds just like we do. And experience the slowdowns, freezes, glitches…AND USELESS VAULTS OF OLD CURRENCIES.
How do we know which level ships to target? Are they similar to another hostile so we can benchmark?
I find it interesting but I will need a round to it. I have a question for @RevDeuce and community as a whole who is done 100% complete any of the previous content of the last 2 years?
The only feedback I have on this is the color scheme, of green and grey, it isn't very accessibility friendly, do you know if they will be changing this?
I hope they keep bringing more loot into this game. Never stop bringing even more loot. Just loot all the time.
I want to be the first of many to say since The ISS Jellyfish is a Mirror Universe Ship, could we get some efficiency or cost relief on this ship? Buff it or something. And I will be skipping this. Just like I did waves, The Voyager etc...
I'd suggest dipping into waves just long enough to unlock the armada rushing ability. It gives a generous drip of daily armada rush currency everyday for no further effort.
Is there a ship power range for the MU hostiles?
I was turned off at first but after playing it today it has potential theres just a learning curve.
This has to be the most convoluted and annoying loop grind they've done so far. So many new currencies, different tokens for moving between different systems, time limits...
Is it really worth the effort?
if the timer runs out and your ship is recalled you DO NOT lose your ship loot. Tested and proved
Correct, only lose your loot if destroyed (PVE/PVP)
Can you say 3 diefferent crews for farming hostiles in mirrorspace and is there a new sweepstake for the new arc in your channel? Ty from 109
I'm begging Scopely to please streamline collecting daily refineries and gift chests. It takes 20 minutes every morning to collect everything and that's completely unacceptable. Please create some sort of function to enable whether to collect things daily or not and a "collect all" that functions off of what is turned on to collect with that button.
The obnoxious amount of time it takes to collect things and how nearly every single month there's more daily junk to collect adding even more time to it is my single biggest pain point in this silly mobile game. Please, do something to improve the quality of collecting daily refineries and chests to offset the obnoxious amounts of quantity that continues to be added.
I agree 100%! I laughing refer to it as the morning paper work. Get a refill on your coffee cup, get comfortable in your chair and begin this 15 - 20 minute chore. There has to be a simpler way to do this!
Sounds like a cool idea. But i really hate alle the new currencys. I was in the System 3 times yesterday....once just dying in 5 seconds. So there is that. Now i have to wait 3 days? but wait...i get a new sms tomorrow i now cannot participate?
Is the 20 minute timer overall or can you do a system go to the next and have 20 minutes again?
20 minutes overall
Do the survey ships in Mirror Tau Ceti drop faction credit also?
Awesome Job as aways
Umm.......it doesn't seem to work on my server. There's no Mirror Universe tab in my refinery and when I try to travel to another system from Wolf, Alpha Centauri, and Sirius it says "No valid Spatial Rip found. Please try later". Is this thing functional ???
have you updated the game?
@@RevDeuce thanks. That was the problem. Strange because I've never had to update it before during a new arc
what happened to the Trellium B and C?
ty rev.
Are there any chaser NPCs in tjese system or.you just get kicled out of mirror after 20min ?
you just get kicked out, if your live that long. If your hull gets low do not count on the timer kicking you out. With no protected cargo someone will likely kill you if you just float waiting on that when low hull.
Just sayin...
Pmc works just fine vs the 40's.
My naked t7 Val popped 70 ,with 3/4 hull left over🤷♂️
I’m tired of all these loops and this one sounds like it’s worth skipping, especially if your alliance gets tangled in PVP.
Thanks for the info, it’s going to be a quieter month for me.
So far so good, once you get past how convoluted it all is, it's not bad. Its been a good 1st arc day.
Common key cap at 600 is stupid cos it takes 600 commons just to reach unco. Mon systems once.
Yes you can use premium but 2% drop rate on trell d refinery, yet you need keys to get trell d?
How do you like it
@rev what happens when the 20 minute timer expires? Do we lose the loot? (Unless we get to an extraction area?)
No you keep it but beware people may be camping the exit points waiting to hit you.
I wouldn't go to an exit node unless you are cloaked. Griefers are out in force.
You will recover protected cargo as soon as you leave.
Just to be clear, at the end of the 20 minutes you aren't automatically ejected from mirror space back into our universe? How exactly does that work? You're still in the mirror universe but don't get anything for killing hostiles?
@@sgt.kilrain6891 You get ejected to one of the three entry systems (Mirror Alpha Centauri, Mirror Wolf or Mirror Sirius). I'm not sure if it's to the nearest or the one you entered from. These systems do have protected cargo.
Moving through the systems is an issue. The hostiles are fairly easy to kill for me at ops 55. Would've been nice if they gifted us one loot exo and more vouchers
yeah, one try - timed out (nowhere PRACTICALY VISIBLE time of the voucher - why it is not in the ships ability part???? like cerritos bufs, etc) | second attempt - forgot not to LOOSE against a hostile | third attempt trying to find the best adversary for loot crew ... well, not much as one would anticipate = higher system, more rewards, no no no.... so im out for next 3 days .... shield and do real life stuff
As I told you, a level 62 I had enough of this game! This is ridiculous.
I wish the chests only dropped Trellium A and D. I keep getting useless ship parts and definitely getting better return on Trellium by making sure I don't go boom and dock the loot.
Um...how do we get mirror dust for research?
refinery
Rev, is there a reason that comments are off on today's live stream? Love ya.
Comments weren't/aren't off?
@@RevDeuce It said comments off, when I was about to type.
I remember when you use to do saints videos😢
Rev. Nice video as always, but yet anther loop !! Scopely! Enough is Enough, I'm level 49. And can only just keep up as it is , let alone do my dailys
I quit ,
Rev do i lose cargo If the 20min timer expires?
No.
All I could think of when watching this video was.... this HAS to be a joke.
This was quickly followed by the overwhelming feeling that this must have been designed by a committee. As you kept jumping around the different levels of play, different currencies...etc, I visualized a group of people in a meeting room saying 'yeah, throw that in too. And that.... just add another currency.... think of the packs we will sell'.
After watching the video, I couldn't help think that this is going to be another flop for the game.
After almost 5 years playing, it seems to me that Scopely is getting further and further away from the player community and what makes a good feature for this game.
I have been playing this mechanic to try to give it a fair shake and I simply cannot believe how much I loathe this mechanic. It is simply horrible and overly complex.
@revdeuce - I can give you my grade now... it's a big, fat, F
Recommend boosting your impulse speed, at least initially, so you can take out as many lvl 40s as you can.
smart strategy for box grinding early on!
Ask Scopley to open the past arc rewards 1 more day. We still have credits to spend
Does anyone know if there is another Ascension type thing after ops 40? Just want to prepare for a possible need to get a new ship to progress. Thanks all 😊
As far as I know there is not for g6, and being in g5 now myself there was not any ascension type thing to need to get. Just the wall of so many station parts and the high cost they reach to go 49-50, then 51 and g5 cheap to enter. Which I believe happens again 59-60 with 61 and g6 being pretty cheap station wise to enter.
@@amberphoenixfire3510 thank you so much for the reply ☺️
PvP vs pve points are really skewed towards the PvP players 10 to 1. And the PvP players are going to hit the smallest they can find because it’s less damage to them and easier to repair. So much to me a lvl 40 player and all the rest of them also
Is this game getting more fun with every new loop or is it getting more stressful? My vote is for stressful. I quit last month.
Still don't do incursions, still have no intention of doing mirror...
Why does the rifts look like toilet bowls that you go to flush yourself to the next system?
bc its sh*t
I'm likely to mostly ignore this loop even if I want the rewards this is peak mobile phone, A bunch of new currencies and mess to keep track of that soak up even more time. And lets just break pvp even more with another shield and even more broken effects.
In our server we in war wit a group of bullies... best safe way: cloak...go to rifts, more rifts...look around...kill hostiles...actualy at lev51 give me 8-9k but better the hostile loot boxes same round 30k loot... if the hull remain 5-10%, cloak again and go home with rifts...so many rifts... totaly bullshit content...
Sounds like Scopely is trying to make this game into something it isn't. What I mean is, extraction shooters have been popular for a while. COD DMZ, PUBG, Escape from Tarkov. Having to make it to an extraction point while dodging campers, high risk, high reward, IDK. This just isnt the game I signed up for yrs ago. Shout out to my oldschool server 32 homies
I really wonder sometimes if Scopley understands its customers. This new arc proves to me they don’t. Many don’t have the ability to actively play a game for 20 minutes uninterrupted. This isn’t a game for kids with nothing to do.
Would be nice if you wouldn't have to MANUALLY move one system at a time to your target destination you already explored in the past.
Would be nice if the game would notice, oh, you had been there before? thats 2 common, 1 uncommon and one epic jump required. You got the tokens? fine, one click, all tokens get deducted and you get moved there directly.
1) Quality vs Quantity? lolol
2) Too many currencies? here's another one
3) Too many loops? Here's another one
4) Reducing the amount of stuff we need to do every day? lolol
5) Cleaning up the junk we have in inventory from previous arcs/loops/events? lolol
6) QoL fixes/adjustments? lolol
I'm not one of those folks that is going to declare that "I am leaving the game because of this travesty of justice!!!"" But...
Go ahead, Scopely... Just admit it if you are just trying to get blood from a turnip, at this point.
,,
and Yes, Rev... I understand that you will point out how many NEW players stfc has....."IT'S GROWING!!!! "
My counter would be... How many continually paying players are there? How much are the OG players paying compared to previously? THAT is the metric that needs to be investigated. I suspect Scopely knows the answer to that question... and that is why they are always pushing something new. They haven't figured out how to keep the average OG player around, so let's dangle the new shiny thing.
Please don't get me wrong.... I'm not all doom and gloom... I'll be around as long as the game is, but..... Stuff like this arc isn't going to convince me to give them anything more than the $20 a month maintenance fee (aka BattlePass)
Scopley... PLEASE listen to what the players are asking for.... trust me. this isn't it.
Some "new" players are there for other reasons to. "reach level 20 and get X,Y,Z" I've even seen people say they are paid to reach level 20 within x amount of time its their job.
Few of these people stick around. And you can see it on incursions how many dead or dying servers there are.
yeah, i will do just events, don't even wanna bother with that locked mission or mirror grind. i really dislike this and will look at it as i am looking at borg cube, waves, formation armadas... just ignoring unless there is an event.
all i can say is max your impulse speed research
I am convinced that scopely either no longer listens or straight up no longer cares. I am a level 56 on several 31 (that just shellacked 20 in incursions) and I am ready to delete the game I am tired of new loops and grinds all designed to make you spend money when they can’t make the game stable and function properly.
Ok so this BS... what happened to putting in quality? That being said... Rev, you didn't state what happens if/when the timer runs out. Do you lose everything as if you were defeated or what? Also are they going to limit you on how many keys you collect in the daily refinery or do you get to horde? This also now means that I HAVE to use to ops 40. Thanks a lot dopely!
Thank you Rev...
What a palaver!