Why The Tines Won’t Turn! Let’s See What’s Inside a Rototiller Transmission

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  • Опубликовано: 6 июн 2019
  • You need to troubleshoot your transmission when the problem is NOT your belt/cable, idler assembly or shear pins. I’m going to open up the gear/chain case to see if we have a broken chain or gear.
    When the engine runs fine but the tines won’t move or crawl, this means the tiller drive system is the issue and you may need to diagnose the transmission problem. If a gear fails, it can lead to other gears or the chains being compromised, as any broken parts or pieces of the broken gear can get pulled into other components of the transmission mechanism and cause a complete failure.
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  • @StevesSmallEngineSaloon
    @StevesSmallEngineSaloon  4 года назад +2

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    • @flatout5815
      @flatout5815 4 года назад +1

      I have the same one with the same issue. But way older. So this isnt a new issue. Yet they choose not to redesign it. Looks like i will be dropping it off somewhere. Always hoping an easy fix. Nope!
      Making no easy disassembly is like putting a starter under the intake on caddies or like removing your whole front end to change a headlight bulb on a malibu. Evil engineering.
      But hey its job security for shops.😆

    • @joellugo5919
      @joellugo5919 3 года назад

      How do you take those tines off, the inner set closer to the transmission... ?

  • @Johonavich49
    @Johonavich49 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks Steve! That was definitely rounded off. That part wasn’t holding or gripping the chain! Your a good mechanic to fix that, and I’m happy you make these videos on you tube!

  • @paulwharton1850
    @paulwharton1850 5 лет назад +2

    Excellent tutorial - I think you're a GREAT teacher !
    Many thanks......all the way from London !
    (great to see that you added another 20,000 subscribers very quickly - you deserve it x)

  • @bryanqualls2339
    @bryanqualls2339 3 года назад +1

    I just stumbled across the saloon tonight. You're gonna be my got to now! Great stuff.

  • @s1kainer
    @s1kainer 5 лет назад

    Thank you Steve. Always enjoy your videos.

  • @wildefox1478
    @wildefox1478 5 лет назад +1

    Great video Steve, thanks for sharing! Looking forward to the follow up video, keep up the good work!

  • @HeavyFOC
    @HeavyFOC 5 лет назад

    Now this is a real man’s video! It starts off with the sound of a chain saw cranking up; he drinks some beer; works on some stuff (all along while discussing the problem); drinks some more beer; and then he ends it with the sound of a chain saw cranking up again. I love it! Keep ‘em coming brother!

  • @andy_on_fire4038
    @andy_on_fire4038 5 лет назад

    I inherited a '72 Snapper Roto-Tiller from my grandfather a 16 years ago and it is built just like this one and still runs like a boss.

  • @CALVINLNIKONT
    @CALVINLNIKONT 5 лет назад +4

    I got thirsty just waiting for you to get to the beer commercial. You should get to the beer commercial sooner and make it an honest to goodness beer commercial. I should be charging you for all this great advice!

  • @gilzr473
    @gilzr473 3 года назад +1

    Great video as always, thanks for sharing.👍👍

  • @ftchico1
    @ftchico1 5 лет назад +2

    Great video Steve.

  • @garrettstevensen2467
    @garrettstevensen2467 5 лет назад

    Thank you for advising 40:1. We haven’t destroyed our engines since you advised this. We used to do 50:1 and killed cylinders every single year...

  • @professionalidiots101
    @professionalidiots101 5 лет назад +1

    Great video Steve!

  • @georgewaynewilcoxjr2102
    @georgewaynewilcoxjr2102 2 года назад +1

    I have a habit of fixing everything i find rather than buying it. Your site helps. Make Friends!

  • @ashleyrichards4241
    @ashleyrichards4241 5 лет назад

    Very much enjoyed the fact you were digging into it the same time we were

  • @matthewsharp6597
    @matthewsharp6597 5 лет назад

    Great job Steve.

  • @terrymorgan7885
    @terrymorgan7885 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks Steve another great video appreciate it very much keep us keep us up

  • @alfredquintero4421
    @alfredquintero4421 5 лет назад

    Great catching on the tiller Steve thumbs up STEVE .

  • @chrisderoo9456
    @chrisderoo9456 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great stuff we have the exact same problem

  • @tweak447
    @tweak447 3 года назад +1

    Steve, I but you're the kind of guy the neighbors make fun of - right up until the time they need something fixed! Just a hunch :) I resemble that remark myself too, there, buddy!

  • @ronbrooks6681
    @ronbrooks6681 5 лет назад +1

    Steve you are so Right, my Craftmans Rototiller had the same problem only the parts for it were not available because they Sears went out of business. The old saying buy from Sears walk away in tears. So I got a better one not Sears and it works great and with a Full warranty. Keep the Videos coming I really find then EXCELLENT. Ron

    • @StevesSmallEngineSaloon
      @StevesSmallEngineSaloon  5 лет назад +1

      Thank You...

    • @mikespain8655
      @mikespain8655 3 года назад

      Check around online (Amazon) for parts. Lots of Craftsman and aftermarket parts that will work are easily available.

  • @andrewwoodward6560
    @andrewwoodward6560 5 лет назад +1

    Interesting video , thanks Steve !

  • @RonSales
    @RonSales 5 лет назад +1

    GOT 2 OLDER TILLERS WITH TRANS PROBLEMS IN TODAY. The customer also had a shaft drive unit with a blown motor, taking the good engine
    off one of the broke chain trans models and putting it on the shaft drive unit to get him back in the garden. He seemed very happy to get the older
    unit fixed as it has never failed to work for him till someone forgot to check the oil.

    • @williamcrane8236
      @williamcrane8236 5 лет назад

      My Neighbor did the same thing last week. You don't live in Kearney do ya? Dead engine on one with a shaft drive, locked up tranny on the other. He's got a big shop and works on tractors and implements. Always something good for sale up by the road. I'm waiting for a small tractor with a front loader and box blade. We got so much rain here this spring I was afraid I'd need something with a sickle bar.

  • @leesheen4227
    @leesheen4227 3 года назад +1

    Always useful videos. Thanks alot

  • @jgriff19861947
    @jgriff19861947 5 лет назад +1

    nice video you explain things well it helps many of us

  • @1dd434
    @1dd434 2 года назад +1

    thanks for the great video, very helpful

  • @jesserippee9457
    @jesserippee9457 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for the information 👍💯

  • @oscara.8176
    @oscara.8176 5 лет назад

    Thank you Steve.

  • @matthewmattix
    @matthewmattix 5 лет назад

    good video man. I would never thought something like that would cause a problem

  • @joev3315
    @joev3315 5 лет назад

    it amazing that you have to take it all apart to get to root of the problem , maybe next time you do a complete tear down on video, anyway great video as always. keep them coming .thanks and have a great week end.

  • @efrainvazquez3691
    @efrainvazquez3691 5 лет назад +1

    Hey Steve
    Accident video on that tiller can’t wait for the follow up video I was like watching your videos I’ve learned a lot from your videos people Who are grading you badly tell him to go suck the thumb they don’t know what they’re talking about keep bringing it Steve you’re doing an awesome job thanks

  • @neilwilliams2409
    @neilwilliams2409 5 лет назад

    Great informative tutorial video. Had similar with petrol demolition hammer. Top drive cog stripped.

  • @albertcorbell6154
    @albertcorbell6154 Год назад +1

    as always a great help

  • @kerrygleeson4409
    @kerrygleeson4409 5 лет назад

    Always good Steve thanks for sharing 👍🇦🇺

  • @rickmucci4785
    @rickmucci4785 2 месяца назад +1

    Always friendly, well explained video's wish u was my neighbor! 🤣🤣🤣 It's always a pleasure to watch your videos...
    Thank you!
    Rick

  • @andrejennielockett4830
    @andrejennielockett4830 3 года назад +1

    Good job

  • @poolmaster338
    @poolmaster338 3 года назад +1

    Thanks again Steve your the man

  • @kennethtephabock5634
    @kennethtephabock5634 5 лет назад +1

    Great video

  • @johncovino1155
    @johncovino1155 4 года назад

    I have an MTF frontline tiller that is 17 years young and in mint condition. Long story short the Chaincase assembly broke and the part is almost as much as the unit. I want to take apart and see if I can fix myself as I really like my tiller. New ones are a few hundred more so this is a labor of love at this point. Your video is really nice and removes the stigma from homeowners on the weekend warrior level to have just enough confidence to be dangerous. Thank you for the video. The mode I am dealing with is 21A-395A129. Any tips you can provide would be appreciated.

  • @gravelyman
    @gravelyman 5 лет назад +1

    Looking forward to the next video!!!

  • @michaelfarris2556
    @michaelfarris2556 5 лет назад +1

    Hey do not know if you read any of these? But you have tought me many of things. Thanks youfor all your help Mike Farris from Indiana.

  • @billsmith4840
    @billsmith4840 5 лет назад +1

    Great video thanks

  • @bobwelch5056
    @bobwelch5056 5 лет назад

    Great job

  • @MikeRoberts-wg3vr
    @MikeRoberts-wg3vr 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you

  • @charlesfazio2015
    @charlesfazio2015 5 лет назад +1

    Ur the best steve

  • @martymcgill1312
    @martymcgill1312 5 лет назад +8

    Wonder what caused the failure? Good video bro

  • @sheldonwhite2991
    @sheldonwhite2991 5 лет назад

    nice video , thanks for the info

  • @joseortiz5965
    @joseortiz5965 4 года назад +1

    Awesome

  • @georgewallacejr5644
    @georgewallacejr5644 5 лет назад +1

    Hello from Collinwood Tennessee hello buddy great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏼

  • @jjyemg2397
    @jjyemg2397 5 лет назад +21

    I always lay my impact driver on it’s side so it doesn’t knock over my beer

    • @StevesSmallEngineSaloon
      @StevesSmallEngineSaloon  5 лет назад +2

      LOL! Great tip brutha...

    • @jjyemg2397
      @jjyemg2397 5 лет назад +1

      Steve's Small Engine Saloon You are absolutely the funniest and educational. Your brand and the whole beer theme is awesome.

  • @leonardvirtue5753
    @leonardvirtue5753 5 лет назад

    Steve!!!! The man!!!😆 very good Nice.😆

  • @pfoster7467
    @pfoster7467 5 лет назад +1

    Interesting seeing the workings inside the Tran case

  • @larrysmall3521
    @larrysmall3521 5 лет назад +3

    Looks like a good case for a design to include a shear pin. Much easier to replace than a gear.

    • @persistentwind
      @persistentwind 5 лет назад +2

      Iirc the bolt that holds the tines on is a shear pin.

  • @robertbobphillips
    @robertbobphillips 19 дней назад +1

    Well, you answered my question, roller chain drive... Now that you took your housing apart, that means I do also... I will buy my "stuff" from a powertrain supply house...

  • @jdouglas2109
    @jdouglas2109 5 лет назад

    Check them shear bolts Steve ( I know you will) grade 8's will bust the trans if the tines get locked up on something. Great vids by the way, very entertaining and informational.

  • @BrucesShop
    @BrucesShop 5 лет назад

    Very Cool Steve. A lot of effort though for you.

  • @johnturtlebury1077
    @johnturtlebury1077 5 лет назад +6

    good video, why would the gear strip so fast on a new machine?

  • @Colt3854
    @Colt3854 5 лет назад +3

    Great informative video as usual Steve. The engineers who design these machines don't make maintenance easy.

    • @StevesSmallEngineSaloon
      @StevesSmallEngineSaloon  5 лет назад

      Thank You...

    • @Hjerte_Verke
      @Hjerte_Verke 10 месяцев назад

      At least maintenance is possible, in comparison to the totally sealed (welded-shut) gearboxes of the more residential-grade tillers. This one is a dream by comparison.

  • @richardbryant5773
    @richardbryant5773 5 лет назад +1

    Great beer, even better videos THANKS

  • @Leonardokite
    @Leonardokite 5 лет назад +1

    OK, get to work making more videos Steve. I've now gone through all your videos except some pertaining to riding lawn mowers. What an educational opportunity!
    Waiting for the next one.......Leonard OUT!

  • @dwightwilson1764
    @dwightwilson1764 5 лет назад +1

    Great video! I have a tiller, push lawnmower, riding mower, 2 chain saws, 2 string trimmers and a 24 inch hedge trimmer. If you don’t have a video I believe the equipment doesn’t exist. I love your channel, but I have a two beer minimum.........

  • @joev3315
    @joev3315 5 лет назад

    Hey Steve, great videos , how about a shop tour , type of lift you use ? , i would need some tips for my workshop at home , Thanks, and have a great weekend

  • @JosephSmith-sg9yv
    @JosephSmith-sg9yv 5 лет назад

    I have one of these tillers. Called MERRY TILLERS in USA. I have used it for about 5 years in rocky soil with no problems. Hope I have a better gear inside. Thanks

  • @jeffbeaird747
    @jeffbeaird747 5 лет назад

    Oh yah see you for part ll haha

  • @semco72057
    @semco72057 5 лет назад +1

    That is nice that you was able to solve that problem quickly and I have a problem with my Cub Cadet Zero Turn mower and can't get it to crank now after some wire was removed from under the deck. My neighbor helped me remove the wire and I drove the mower home and parked it. When I tried to crank it a day later it would not start and I can't find support from the company on how to solve that problem. When I now try to crank the mower it won't start and I am at a loss.

    • @billfischer6464
      @billfischer6464 5 лет назад +2

      Sounds like a wire from a saftey switch. Time to trace it back and see. Some will let it run but not restart

    • @semco72057
      @semco72057 5 лет назад +1

      @@billfischer6464 I will check to see if that is the problem with the mower. Thanks for that idea as I had forgotten about that.

  • @stevestpierre4685
    @stevestpierre4685 2 года назад +1

    I’m trying to remove the tine gear shaft to replace the seals and check the bearings. I have the tines and key ring removed. I’ve been turning the inner ring with 2 indents on them for awhile now and nothing is happening. Should I use force on the left side shaft to pound it out. Would love your imput.

  • @Todd0060
    @Todd0060 5 лет назад

    Thank you for this video. Wonder if you can help with another problem I have with a Troy Bilt Horse Tiller. Old machine does a great job. There is leaking seal on the left axle and I can change it, but can't get the wheel to come off the axle. We've tried all the trick we can think of and put a torch to it to heat it up and the wheel won't come off. Are you aware of anything else we can try? Thanks again.

  • @davidhoover8877
    @davidhoover8877 2 года назад +1

    Everyone make a comment and like his videos. Don't just watch them because he does not go to the trouble of making these videos for his health. You comment and he gets paid a few cents but those cents add up to dollars with enough comments. SO IF YOU SIMPLY VOEW WITHOUT COMMENTING YOU ARE ROBBING HIM OF HIS TIME.

  • @cmleoj
    @cmleoj 2 года назад +1

    I wish I could have seen the few minutes prior to you taking that cover off. I’m at that point and the tines are rusted, and I’m wondering if the thing will come apart if I do get the tines off. I guess I can put some heat on the shaft now that the pins are out, it should come free.

  • @michaelwall2863
    @michaelwall2863 Год назад +1

    On a different subject where do you put oil in a ryobi expand it cultivator attachment?

  • @farmerjackson709
    @farmerjackson709 5 лет назад +1

    i have an old merry tiller, i run grease in it as it stays up on the chains

  • @greybeard804
    @greybeard804 5 лет назад +2

    FINALLY! A 3 beer video!! ;-]

  • @wichywoo
    @wichywoo 5 лет назад +1

    i think its the mantis tiller which has the bronze worm gear that strips steve?

  • @jothain
    @jothain Год назад +1

    Steve as you work with small engine machines, have you ever stumbled into roto tiller blades that would be suitable for "grinding" old bush roots out? I've been trying to search internet, but to my surprise can't seem to find metal drums that would have like inch long hardened steel spikes? I think it would work well for many, but aren't anyone really manufacturing such blades? If you haven't seen any, well then I'll stop searching.

  • @neatpleats11
    @neatpleats11 5 лет назад +1

    Smart

  • @johnleight4184
    @johnleight4184 3 года назад +1

    Please can Steve help me , I’m having the similar issue with maxim tiller but how do I get the big black pulley in the outside off ?? I’ve already got the tiller all tore down except for that part

  • @stanp6383
    @stanp6383 5 лет назад

    I have older craftsman tiler on my bench right now with same issue. Stripped gears.

  • @evi1dav3
    @evi1dav3 5 лет назад

    Hi steve. Aren't the Maxim tillers just a merry-tiller? I can vouch for them being rental yard tough as I worked in a rental yard and they were generally trouble free. It's too bad that merry-tiller is no longer in WA state, where I live.

  • @silvergrizzly316
    @silvergrizzly316 5 лет назад +1

    Sorta like some cars, hafta pull motor just to change plugs LOL.
    I wanna see ya put it back together blindfolded Steve. 😁jus kidding!
    Can't wait for follow-up video my friend. ☆Jay.

  • @bamamike1013
    @bamamike1013 4 года назад +1

    Got a future issue with my tiller. Cranks good...runs about 30 seconds...shuts off. When I get a chance I’ll send you the video. Model Number 19883 TroyBilt. Briggs & Stratton 5BSXS.2051HF. Sure it’s a carburetor problem.

  • @alannarciso7749
    @alannarciso7749 3 года назад +1

    thanks for the video sir..
    i have old transmission like that and i want to add oil but i dont know how many oil capacity to fill with that transmission.. can you help me how sir? please.. thank you

  • @akbychoice
    @akbychoice 5 лет назад +1

    Best walk behind till I used was hydraulic and had several forward and reverse gears and tines could be shifted to run forward or reverse.

  • @fershy
    @fershy 11 месяцев назад +1

    Did you ever find the drive shaft part? I have the same problem.

  • @russellpetrie119
    @russellpetrie119 5 лет назад +1

    holy cow what was they tilling rocks n steel

  • @dosmundos3830
    @dosmundos3830 5 лет назад

    Hi Steve, thanks for the vid. can you do a video on chainsaw run on? i have a Stihl ms170 that keeps running after i shut it off, not running well mind you but still keeps going until i give it gas and bog it out. i have 2 identical saws one 1 year old and one 5 years old, it's only the new one that has experienced this.

  • @rogerjustice8835
    @rogerjustice8835 5 лет назад +2

    It's sad that modern day heavy duty is chain drive instead of gear drive. I've been doing small engine work for 40 years and I can remember when tiller's were worm gear drive in cast iron housing. They would last for ever as long as you keep them full of oil.

  • @pinewoodschool8641
    @pinewoodschool8641 4 года назад +1

    How do you order parts? Who do you call, and how descriptive do you have to be about the new part?

  • @neilmccolman9107
    @neilmccolman9107 5 лет назад +1

    Yo Stevo , Those are usually a really tough tiller ! Getting a rock stuck in the tines at high rpm is about the only thing that will strip out the drive gear like that , in my experience . Who knows with a rental .

    • @StevesSmallEngineSaloon
      @StevesSmallEngineSaloon  5 лет назад

      Good call...Thank You...

    • @jefferyplummer2557
      @jefferyplummer2557 4 года назад

      I'm going to guess that PVC bushing not holding the shaft or the sprocket from having play which probably ended up breaking the weld on the sprocket to the shaft

  • @johnmacpherson7590
    @johnmacpherson7590 Год назад +1

    Hey Steve, I have a Garden King. Looks very similar to the one in this video. I can’t find the model number on it. Where should it be located on the tiller?

  • @Stefcio86
    @Stefcio86 2 месяца назад +1

    Hello, I need help from you. I got Honda f310 engine GX110 when it is cold start with no problem after when is worm and work for 5 min and you change gear engine slowly cut off and won't start

  • @tassiedevil2400
    @tassiedevil2400 5 лет назад +16

    Shear pin technology seems to have gone by the wayside... perhaps it's more lucrative for the manufacturers to supply a new transmission than a 20 cent pin....

    • @plumberturd
      @plumberturd 5 лет назад +2

      I thought it would have been a shear pin too. Peace of shit gear.

  • @stevegreene4880
    @stevegreene4880 5 лет назад +2

    When the case was vertical the weight of the chain pulled on the stripped gear just enough that allowed a bit of motion in the output gear when you turned the big pulley. Once laid horizontal, the chain slacked off that stripped gear which is why when you spun the input shaft there was no longer movement in the output shaft. Neat vid!

  • @michaelvrooman5681
    @michaelvrooman5681 4 года назад

    That must be some standard. Tiller transmission. I just had an old dynamark tiller apart with the same one

  • @megaloogy
    @megaloogy 5 лет назад +1

    I'm curious to know how that small sprocket is lubricated. Does the transmission hold gear oil? Didn't see much in there. BTW. Always great to do tear down and discovery with ya.

    • @wildbill23c
      @wildbill23c 5 лет назад +1

      Splash lubrication, but usually yes there is oil inside that case, can't recall how much, but its not full all the way to the top, uses the chain to move the oil around inside.

  • @fredguldbrandsen2723
    @fredguldbrandsen2723 3 года назад

    What lubricant goes in the gear box?
    Is this the same ‚weightoil or grease used in ALL (Sears) older rototillers?

  • @farmergirlofchickens8779
    @farmergirlofchickens8779 5 лет назад

    Could a rock stuck in the tines strip that out? My Craftsman tiller kept running the belt off. From the factory the set screw wasn't drilled through. Basically it kept running the pulley and belt off. Inspector 12 at the manufacturer was out that day.

  • @mathesmike9727
    @mathesmike9727 Год назад +1

    How do you do a front tine mtd

  • @jeremymitchell9793
    @jeremymitchell9793 5 лет назад +3

    Can you overnight the parts so we can see the next vidieo😁

  • @jcr65566
    @jcr65566 5 лет назад +1

    it amazing the gear striped only after a few uses I think the problem might been with that is was a rental An owner would take better care of it

  • @larryscarry411
    @larryscarry411 Месяц назад

    I have a craftsman rear tine and as soon as I put it to till it dyes used to pop out of till position but not anymore, so what could be wrong any idea?