This guide only focus on the own benefits of a roam. Only on how much you can gain. But you can also roam to deny the enemy more than you lose. for example: your toplaner has the wave stacked on the 3rd wave and their toplaner can lose 3 waves if you succesful dive him. You can absolutely Roam and even lose a wave if the other toplaner loses more. That is also okay! In that case you give up some pressure in your lane so another one of your teammates can snowball the game.
And? That's a coinflip, you're putting yourself behind to make sure that your laner gets ahead. That means he could just throw his lead in which case you'll be flaming him while being useless yourself, I have never heard of a high elo laner that roams to get their team ahead rather than themselves.
@@saugattamang9739 There are times when a free dive is possible and definitely worth it. If you deny the enemy toplaner a stacked slow push and get a kill (or force him to run to t2 and recall) and you get platings + possibly first turret it will be worth. Of course the lower you are in elo the higher the chance is that either the dive fails or your teammate gives his shutdown right back. But at some point dives are next to building a cs lead the most consistent way to force a lead actually. It's just hard to coordinate and you must watch out for counter ganks.
Question: What to do if the enemy laner has a lot of wave clear? What should I do first before I roam? Should I either slow push 3 waves and fast push or is there any other solution?
Slow pushing and building up a wave isnt the greatest idea (6:41). Force the enemy into a situation where they need to recall (poke them out or look for roams when they have no mana) then roam. Or if you are both resetting, you can roam bot from fountain to lane gank and then teleport back to lane.
@@fengliu975 22 sec from mid to a side or vice versa, so 44 sec from top to bot. Vs 27 from base to lane. So its faster to roam bot from base then tp top, but faster to tp mid first then roam back to your side lane.
@@fengliu975 your way is faster if you're a mid laner or if you're ganking mid. Its faster to recall walk, then tp if you're doing a full cross map roam. That's all I was trying to say 😀
I always wondered why my midlane got back to lane so fast. Literally why i started building nashors on anivia just so i could actually get to the tower and do damage
You are *allowed*, but you're taking a risk. That better be a calculated risk or you'll be the one creating a disadvantage in 50% of those games. A wave and a plate is totally worth it if there's a guaranteed shutdown or a doublekil, just waiting to get collected.
Just wait for the really advanced TF guide that will require you to constantly cycle the cards in your head, so you know which one will come up first on pressing w.
Ive never watched you videos before, and im just gonna say that the way you explain stuff is so understanding and so helpfull. My english is poor, but u made me understand a lot in this video. Thank u sm
So is it just impossible to roam against high wave clear champs? No matter how big the wave I crash is, I always end up getting punished for it by losing cs to my tower
Essentially yeah, as long as they have mana. The faster their waveclear is, the shorter roam radius you have. Your main options are to target their resources or to manipulate waves to get better resets.
Yes and No. Sure it is harder to get an advantage over them this way, but your roams win other lanes, get objectives and in the end win the game - you get the honor and their afk farmer gets a decent portion of flame for playing farm simulator. You just to need be extra careful with what roams you take.
you can still always try to force them out of lane, and then roam. Sometimes even losing 1 wave and a plating can be worth if the roam is relatively guaranteed and there are for example huge shutdowns on the sidelaner.
Well, I've tried a roam heavy style these days and sometimes it work wonders, but others fail miserably because either the ADC tilt and start playing like it were already lost AND the ganks don't work or they still keep calm, but I start to get some levels behind and, as a consequence, become more squishy (I main Leona, Nautilus and Amumu). I really wish I could watch replays on my cellphone because I'm really in doubt of why it works absurdly well sometimes, but it's disastrous others. Without looking at my replays (unfortunately I don't have so much spare time outside of commutting), I am really in the dark
I feel that it doesn't work in my games, I deny the enemy laner gold and exp and get tower plates but the enemy mid laner or top laner gets 2 or 3 kills, or he feeds his adc kills, my teammates don't back away, or if the enemy is a shen how am I supposed to follow his roam?
what was bad about the bard roam timing? the only critique i managed to pull from the clip was that tryn was not gonna die, but what if it was a different situation and bard did get a kill. What made the timing poor?
Is it a good idea to utilize your champion's roaming ability (shen or TF) if ur behind already so you can help whoever is your win con to help them win?
Too many times you shouldn't roam, just push the lane, falling asleep while killing minions. This is why (for me) being a jungler is the only way to enjoy this game.
Yeah, plates were a terrible idea - binding players in lane and denying interaction with your team when you want to win. Aswell you still get pinged to a fight and blamed for not being there when it's worth staying in lane and making gold. They really should take gold out of the game so that gold management isn't that important and the game would be more if a game having fun to interact with your teammates. Hope the new objektive bounties will do something here - and hopefully the enemy team doesn't see them, because that will just lead to faster wipes when they trap you there. And then you have a loose-loose decision at the loosing team, listening to a Set-up call that will get you wiped and loose faster, or not listening and get blamed for not getting the bounty.. 😵
@@zoefezius6615 Try Heroes of the Storm. There's no gold, the XP is shared with the whole team, the maps are smaller and everyone has in-built Mobility Shoes (a mount). Also, objectives are more frequent and interactive.
I agree and disagree. It is the most efficient thing to do, but funnily enough I see alot of higher elo players roam on even waves. Seemingly for the reason that it's not what should be done and it isn't as expected. I think T1 is one of biggest perpetrators, next to qiyanna mains xD. But hey, do what your skill level can afford. I'm sure they sack the wave just because they KNOW they'll get something out of the roam I'm assuming.
t1 is a bit of a special case tbh, he plays for side lanes HARD when playing like annie, and annie does not need much gold to operate so thats a lot of the reason why, i can givea really interesting video that discusses t1
Only if your team is going to win the tf with Shen being there. Otherwise, Shen could turn around one or even three winning lanes into losing ones and after that Shen usually auto wins the game since a fed Top laner can't beat a fed mid, jg, and bot at the same time.
No, Shen can ult and teleport back without missing a wave. A reward for good map awareness and a compensation for taking a summoner spell that he can't use in a 1v1.
Hey, just a question then? Do you expect new players to just know advanced macro concepts right at the start? If no, how do they learn without having to give up a lot of time to it? These video aren't really made for high elo players, they're more made to get low elo players to understand things better and make less mistakes like bad roam timings
What Champion do YOU think is the best at roaming in the game?
Lee beacuse i don't play anything more xd
Talon
creeps 🤔
Bard
My shitty brain
"... to take the kill that's rightfully his."
Sounds 'bout right :D
I love that Kassadin‘s name is „rank 1 macro“ when he just did a horrible roam.
Names are always ironic on this game its crazy
Thats a kassadin challenger. Btw streamer
@@Ali-of5be whats the stream name?
@@d4s0n282 its permaban
@@senseidope1326 OH thats permaban? I thought he got banned off twtich tho
This guide only focus on the own benefits of a roam. Only on how much you can gain.
But you can also roam to deny the enemy more than you lose. for example: your toplaner has the wave stacked on the 3rd wave and their toplaner can lose 3 waves if you succesful dive him.
You can absolutely Roam and even lose a wave if the other toplaner loses more. That is also okay!
In that case you give up some pressure in your lane so another one of your teammates can snowball the game.
well on the flip side, if they somehow 1v2 then its game losing though
And? That's a coinflip, you're putting yourself behind to make sure that your laner gets ahead. That means he could just throw his lead in which case you'll be flaming him while being useless yourself, I have never heard of a high elo laner that roams to get their team ahead rather than themselves.
@@saugattamang9739 looks at t1 himself lmao
@@saugattamang9739 There are times when a free dive is possible and definitely worth it. If you deny the enemy toplaner a stacked slow push and get a kill (or force him to run to t2 and recall) and you get platings + possibly first turret it will be worth. Of course the lower you are in elo the higher the chance is that either the dive fails or your teammate gives his shutdown right back. But at some point dives are next to building a cs lead the most consistent way to force a lead actually. It's just hard to coordinate and you must watch out for counter ganks.
Sure, if you trust your top laner to carry, in that scenario.
Question: What to do if the enemy laner has a lot of wave clear? What should I do first before I roam? Should I either slow push 3 waves and fast push or is there any other solution?
Slow pushing and building up a wave isnt the greatest idea (6:41). Force the enemy into a situation where they need to recall (poke them out or look for roams when they have no mana) then roam. Or if you are both resetting, you can roam bot from fountain to lane gank and then teleport back to lane.
@@Andicus based on the video tping to side lanes for gank then walking back mid would be faster
@@fengliu975 22 sec from mid to a side or vice versa, so 44 sec from top to bot. Vs 27 from base to lane. So its faster to roam bot from base then tp top, but faster to tp mid first then roam back to your side lane.
@@williameichenberg4632 but you have to go back to mid so you can just tp to your side lane to do the gank then walk mid rather than double back
@@fengliu975 your way is faster if you're a mid laner or if you're ganking mid. Its faster to recall walk, then tp if you're doing a full cross map roam. That's all I was trying to say 😀
0:36 Make or break XD
I always wondered why my midlane got back to lane so fast. Literally why i started building nashors on anivia just so i could actually get to the tower and do damage
might I ask what should i do if the enemy laner has good wave clear, am I not allowed to roam?
You are *allowed*, but you're taking a risk. That better be a calculated risk or you'll be the one creating a disadvantage in 50% of those games.
A wave and a plate is totally worth it if there's a guaranteed shutdown or a doublekil, just waiting to get collected.
"Spams danger sound" --> Enemy Quadra Kill!!
was almost getting used to checking the minimap every 2 seconds, now I have to do math calculations too. awsome!
Just wait for the really advanced TF guide that will require you to constantly cycle the cards in your head, so you know which one will come up first on pressing w.
@@Slash-XVI haha good thin I never play that champ
@@Slash-XVI that feature dont exist no more iirc
Ive never watched you videos before, and im just gonna say that the way you explain stuff is so understanding and so helpfull. My english is poor, but u made me understand a lot in this video. Thank u sm
I love how the diana is the rank one kat euw and the kassadin is permaban
this gave me a ton of information not only on my roaming but enemy team roaming and jungle tracking this video is super informational
Ooooooo, as a Talon player this is so helpful
So is it just impossible to roam against high wave clear champs? No matter how big the wave I crash is, I always end up getting punished for it by losing cs to my tower
Essentially yeah, as long as they have mana. The faster their waveclear is, the shorter roam radius you have. Your main options are to target their resources or to manipulate waves to get better resets.
Yes and No. Sure it is harder to get an advantage over them this way, but your roams win other lanes, get objectives and in the end win the game - you get the honor and their afk farmer gets a decent portion of flame for playing farm simulator. You just to need be extra careful with what roams you take.
you can still always try to force them out of lane, and then roam. Sometimes even losing 1 wave and a plating can be worth if the roam is relatively guaranteed and there are for example huge shutdowns on the sidelaner.
if you play top-push lane,go to base lane ganke bot(on champs like kennen,kled)teleport back to toplane or use priority to deep ward enemy camps
*Galio roams bot and steals a kill*:
"Takes a kill that's rightfully his and goes back to his lane in time to catch his wave"
Oooh it's one of the guides with fancy visuals 😍
Love the music in this one.
Well, I've tried a roam heavy style these days and sometimes it work wonders, but others fail miserably because either the ADC tilt and start playing like it were already lost AND the ganks don't work or they still keep calm, but I start to get some levels behind and, as a consequence, become more squishy (I main Leona, Nautilus and Amumu). I really wish I could watch replays on my cellphone because I'm really in doubt of why it works absurdly well sometimes, but it's disastrous others. Without looking at my replays (unfortunately I don't have so much spare time outside of commutting), I am really in the dark
Sometimes it doesn’t matter if you spam ping people early to back up lol.
Thanks fo the video
ive been waiting for this for a long time.
I feel that it doesn't work in my games, I deny the enemy laner gold and exp and get tower plates but the enemy mid laner or top laner gets 2 or 3 kills, or he feeds his adc kills, my teammates don't back away, or if the enemy is a shen how am I supposed to follow his roam?
Uploaded just as I check RUclips lol nice
I mean I don't think that a Xerath will not shove the lane easily on a roaming Zed :P
scary lv 4 kassadin roams
great video !
what was bad about the bard roam timing? the only critique i managed to pull from the clip was that tryn was not gonna die, but what if it was a different situation and bard did get a kill. What made the timing poor?
Is it a good idea to utilize your champion's roaming ability (shen or TF) if ur behind already so you can help whoever is your win con to help them win?
I would say so, tyler litterally hard does this on annie
this dynamic swag on my feet... I invented it
Too many times you shouldn't roam, just push the lane, falling asleep while killing minions. This is why (for me) being a jungler is the only way to enjoy this game.
Yeah, plates were a terrible idea - binding players in lane and denying interaction with your team when you want to win. Aswell you still get pinged to a fight and blamed for not being there when it's worth staying in lane and making gold. They really should take gold out of the game so that gold management isn't that important and the game would be more if a game having fun to interact with your teammates.
Hope the new objektive bounties will do something here - and hopefully the enemy team doesn't see them, because that will just lead to faster wipes when they trap you there. And then you have a loose-loose decision at the loosing team, listening to a Set-up call that will get you wiped and loose faster, or not listening and get blamed for not getting the bounty.. 😵
@@zoefezius6615 Try Heroes of the Storm. There's no gold, the XP is shared with the whole team, the maps are smaller and everyone has in-built Mobility Shoes (a mount). Also, objectives are more frequent and interactive.
Thats why i love playing anivia so mutch. After lvl6, even in a losing lane, my opponent cant roam without losing atleast 2 minionwaves
1:34 if i do this by the time i am back the wave is under my tower and i lose all :DDDDDD
How exactly do I get my hud to look like this
Breakdown CoreJJ's 0% dou proximity from lcs playoffs and maybe I will stop roaming all game
Music name?
So if your enemy has good waveclea ryou jsut simply not roam
Or make sure the roam is worth it before you do.
TLDR; keep in mind wave state and if enemy has wave clear faster than you can get back to lane
good
I agree and disagree. It is the most efficient thing to do, but funnily enough I see alot of higher elo players roam on even waves. Seemingly for the reason that it's not what should be done and it isn't as expected. I think T1 is one of biggest perpetrators, next to qiyanna mains xD. But hey, do what your skill level can afford. I'm sure they sack the wave just because they KNOW they'll get something out of the roam I'm assuming.
t1 is a bit of a special case tbh, he plays for side lanes HARD when playing like annie, and annie does not need much gold to operate so thats a lot of the reason why, i can givea really interesting video that discusses t1
pro tip: look where your wave is and the opponent wave will be in the same spot coming back into lane
Shouldn't Camille just let shen ult go off? So he takes a bad "roam" and you get his turret
Only if your team is going to win the tf with Shen being there. Otherwise, Shen could turn around one or even three winning lanes into losing ones and after that Shen usually auto wins the game since a fed Top laner can't beat a fed mid, jg, and bot at the same time.
No, Shen can ult and teleport back without missing a wave. A reward for good map awareness and a compensation for taking a summoner spell that he can't use in a 1v1.
I send this to every afk botlane I get in ranked games
You want me to do math to roam??? Guess I'm a lane bullie now!
lmk when its 5 entire ranks guaranteed ;)
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❤️❤️ GREAT 😘
League of legends requires Brains and Instinct not this type of videos no matter hoe much you watch if ur bad ur bad
That makes sense
But you have to learn those skills somewhere. It's not like Faker was born challenger and knowing how to play League
feel that
Hey, just a question then? Do you expect new players to just know advanced macro concepts right at the start?
If no, how do they learn without having to give up a lot of time to it? These video aren't really made for high elo players, they're more made to get low elo players to understand things better and make less mistakes like bad roam timings
Your part of the reason why this community is so toxic