Derren Brown is amazing. His clips are amongst the best demonstrations of NLP, I've ever seen outside of a training seminar and to see these principles work on people that don't have an expectation of how they are 'supposed' to respond is priceless. He is brilliant.
I've been hypnotized before and it is real, but its something you can fight off. Its like the feeling of being distracted and not able to concentrate for a minute, like seeing a celebrity and being unable to look away, or blocking out your girlfriend talking to you during a important sports' match on tv. Everyone's been hypnotized you just didnt know what it was. It's just the feeling of being distracted temporarily and during that time you allow things you know not to be true to seem true
guys, look, really look, he associates the "unclear image" with the touching of the left shoulder and vice versa. when he shows her the blue card he touches her left shoulder to unconsciously establish uncertainty in order to manipulate her to see the yellow as red and then, only then does he touch her right shoulder to establish a "solid" picture (solid indicating block colour red) making her see yellow as red and red as black. its not witchcraft, its child psychology and yes, also runs along the same lines as Collapsing Anchors
hypnopotamus. that is so funny. Derren brown is brilliant. Oh and JohnnyAlpha8, i have seen this shit up close and personal, and it is not fake. Derren is particularly good at it.
Richard Bandler has a bunch of great books on NLP. Derren Brown recommends a few in his book Tricks of the Mind. Namely, "Frogs into Princes", "Trance-formations", and "persuasion engineering". He also says the eye-accessing cues have limited use, and may differ between people, so watch out on that part.
There are all kinds of resources. Google or find NLP books, audio books, videos by Richard Bandler, Michael Hall, Robert Dilts, Kenrick Cleveland, etc. Even Darren Brown has an interesting book out.
Some NLP techniques can be used in mass media. However, in this example, Derren is calibrating to the girl in the video and anchoring her responses. In the case of mass media, the anchor could be something else, like the sound of someones voice or an image.
I think you were ahead of you time- This may be strange after 13 years, but have you noticed associative anchoring in social media feeds? Linking together unassociated threads to force an association.
It's completely ignorant to think you don't manipulate. Everything you do manipulates your situation. The definition of manipulate to influence skillfully. You dress to manipulate. You wear fragrance. You come to a job interview with the intent to manipulate the boss to give you a job, get a raise. You manipulate your spouse, your kids to do what you want them to do. Everyone does it. It comes down to your intention. Is it going to be hurtful or harmful to that person?
Very clever technique he uses here. He first starts anchoring a stat in wich the woman is certain of things and a state in which she doubts. He does this with the school example, when talking about uncertain things he touches her right shoulder, certain things are anchored to here left shoulder. Then when he starts to ask here if the card is definetly yellow he touches the uncertain shoulder to get her into a state where she doubts herself. In theory its not hard ^^
he anchors uncertainity to HER left shoulder and certainity to HER right shoulder so every time he shows her a color he touches her on the left and then she starts to doubt wether it's really yellow/red/green/blue... Very well done, coolest thing is that I have been seeing so many NLP videos by known that I start to recognize the anchors!
Man. The placebo effect *works*. Besides, i'm not interested in *how* this stuff exactly works. We just know that it works *at all*. Finding out why exactly it's working is a job for nouroscientists.
@oniluaPogaihT i am praciticing and experimanting NLP myselfe. up means visuall that is true. but, if her memory doesnt contain many visual sub modalities but it is a true mamory she may complete it with her creative part of her brain. that happens. and you cant certantly always say if someone is lying, or simply reconstructing missing modalities of the truth. i tried this pattern on therapy and it went realy well.
Fake. A hypmotist tried this bs on me and he become irate and frustrated when his "suggestions" never worked. Maybe it takes a certain person who wants to not believe in reality or wishes to be childlike and have people tell them what to believe. Who knows. Maybe she was just into him and wanted to impress him by behaving like she thinks he wants her to. However it makes her look simple minded :(
@oniluaPogaihT you could always immagine your house or smth... besides, the "looking" thing isn't always right for others.... what I noticed is the shoulder touch... he makes the Swish Pattern and touches her shoulders. When he makes the same for colors, he also touches her shoulders, activating the Swish Pattern... (google swish pattern to understand it) yellow - right shoulder, when he says red (for yellow) - left shoulder.... kinda reprograming the brain
Derren used belief change giving uncertain belief same submodalites as certain belief has so that belief is now absolute truth for her, also he used anchoring he never used swish. Also he used anchoring points to misplace her belief about colors, notice how he fires a anchor for uncertain belief and then anchor for something she knows its truth, that why she so easily accepted his suggestion about yellow is actually red.
@TwistingWays: It is not them that go into trance when you do that...you go into YOUR trance...and if you have rapport with them, they will follow and also go into trance. But if you don't have rapport then you'll just seem weird to them and you'll probably confuse them...which can of course be another opportunity for you to ASSIST them in going into trance. Pace their confusion and desire for something sensible...then give them the most sensible thing to do....SLEEP!!!!
It is a swish pattern method in NLP. simply the whole thing starts at the beggining... he anchor(trigger) the state of "not sure about" on her left shoulder and he also anchor(trigger) the "its solid that..." on the right... he uses pattern while he move his hand over sides... that gives actually 'swish pattern' next things was just a shoot off the 1 anchor to "not be sure about that BLUE is BLUE" and fire same on the blue one AND then the second anchor "im sure and its solid that its RED(yelow)
As far as I am concerned, this Brown guy is an entertainer and I don't buy this stuff as real. However, NLP IS legit. #1) you can't believe what you read online often. NLP works far better than any traditional therapy out there. The issue is the practitioners need to be good. If you deal with a crappy one you will get crap results, but if you work with a good one, you will get AMAZING results. I had some NLP stuff done and it was very effective and real. .
I'll add that it's amazing what people will do to be part of a special group. The "anti-social" behavior of recent years (internet instead of actual talking) has something to do with this... I think these 'subjects' try to fill a void of acceptance within a social group, for lack of belonging to groups. She's playing along.. She is TOTALLY aware of the camera, yet doesn't look at it. A sign of "natural acting" to be accepted as a professional. That body language is her saying "I can do this!"
Well, no, it is still fake. The fact that she responds to it, doesn't make it real. She is getting attention, and as anyone knows, those who want to be the center of attention (maybe this girl) rarely walk away when given that opportunity. I don't know her, and can't speak on all the circumstances surrounding this event. I can say that it's "dangerous" for people to believe this is real. If it doesn't work, she's not on TV, so she has a choice to make when she signs that "release form".
Anchoring: Notice how he touches her left shoulder when he wants (and convinces) her to feel UNCERTAIN. Then, he touches her right shoulder when he wants her to feel CERTAIN. First he conditions her to his touch as he tells her things that she deems absolutely true (ie, school and home). Then he reinforces that touch by convincing her of things that are questionable (This yellow could be orange). Finally, she is conditioned to his touch and reacts accordingly.
He does it with all the tricks he does its only when they need to remeber that word that dont really pay attention to it but the subliminal mind does so it locks that word into your brain thats how he tricks most of the people and i think the reason he doesnt differant shoulders depdsn on how he talks to them like left should could be all the no's and right shoulder all the yes'sso he tricks there mind into thinking differant things
"'touching the shoulder' thing" Notice which side he touched. Left side for uncertain/not solid, right side for certain/solid. This is supposedly mapping to the opposite sides of her brain - left side of the brain (right side touch) is analytical/rational, right side of the brain (left side touch) is emotional/irrational. Don't know if it was necessary, he probably could have done his Pavlovian conditioning w/o touching a particular side. Hell, ppl can do it thru TV.
right hand up is anchoring the whole talk about being uncertain,difficult.. Tap on the left shoulder is to anchor once again and trigger the words itself. same thing with left hand right shoulder only it is certain, clear. now when he tells her the color is not actually blue he does the tap which brings back the feeling of being uncertain and when says yellow is red taps other and there u go, she now CLEARLY knows its red and shes CERTAIN about it =) surprised how he pulls it off with his accent
The swish effect all comes in through his hands - look where he has his hand up - one side for certainty, one for confusion. Look also at the times he taps the shoulder of the girl to reinforce the effects, again one for certainty and one for confusion. It's real obvious when you see it. As for the black, as she replaced yellow with red, the real red now has no colour attained to it, if it's not red, what is it? She says black as that's the eye's interpreting it as no visible color coming.
ROFLMFAO. i'm sorry dude, but thats the funniest shit I ever heard. if its for real then doubly so. I would suggest trying the same thing again, but this time telling the absolute truth about the colored cards you are using, perhaps using a color wheel, or all the colors of the rainbow to make sure its all in context or something. failing that, seek professional help, or contact derren on his website or somesuch.
when he makes her imagine the not-definite feeling he touches her left shoulder (00:19), associated the two, and her right shoulder with the definite belief. and at 02:35 says that it is not definitely yellow and touches left shoulder, reminding her of that non-definite feeling, so she doesnt think its definitely yellow, and around 03:00 he has her think that it could be red, and then touches her right shoulder making her think it is definitely red
@oniluaPogaihT She probably only pictured a part of her house which is in Vegas, or her house, but floating in the space of her mind rather than Vegas, but she get's a kinesthetic feeling of certainty know it's her house and it's definitely in Vegas. So the anchor was effective regardless of how she thought of it.
@oniluaPogaihT I think you are trying to read into it a little too much. Where people look for rememebering something visual and constructing something visual can be different. There is no rule that says all people look top right when constructing an image. Some people are different, and most left handers are the reverse of right handers.
Yes, but I was talking about the technique, not about those NLP-trainers. But I know what you mean, they are in most of cases just after the money, using some known technique like hypnosis or NLP as their own brilliant invention that is gonna change your life! It's sad, but hey, if they make some simple people happy, I don't see a problem.
you must have a part of you that has some hope of change to have bought the book in the first place! try something simple, like noticing which songs you have in your music collection that always make you feel great. this will prove to you that 'anchors' exist, and may get you curious as to how you could use that to your benefit. for example.
and says "sue! you also had a great lump sum paid you you from your claim didnt you?"...Sue!...get it? this really startled me as I actually fell for it completely, and then caught myself...we are all being controlled subliminally, this is common place in all our news reports, politial broadcasts etc etc
Someone asked: Why left/right handed. Handedness depends on your brains dominant hemisphere. This is a genetic thing, but is as mentioned, not always expressed in absolut terms. Eye patterns is by no means exact. They differ from person to person, and you can have to get a baseline before using them
@oniluaPogaihT From what I know, eye patterns are different from person to person. But of course it could be fake. Either way, I am going to learn this cool trick ;) It works of course only on very suggestible people. The thing is, to learn how to spot one :)
@davidxrodriguez , david, you just already answered to your own question. what I mean? if your guys allways asks wtf are you doing with touching them, it means that your still didnt managed to direct the attention away. and you just still cant do IT such smoothly with no "misunderstanding" ;)
Well, I read one skeptic paper and it compared it to scientology. Hyponosis otherwise is true and part of psychology and science, even though the definition is kind of unsure. It's true that he uses many techiques and magic, so the title of the video is pretty misleading.
I'm just saying that a very fat person gets less attention and tends to agree with someone much easier than someone more average. I don't want to place stereotypes, but I believe that there are common factors influencing both. I know that fat women are easier to hypnotize. Anxious people too.
You did get this right but you reversed the uncertainty/certainty shoulders watch again its her left shoulder uncertainty and right certainty...simple anchoring then suggestion linked to it.... making her "certain" that yellow is red like she is certain where she lives
@hossrex: So you did study up on NLP and Hypnosis??? I don't think so. I'm very much into hypnosis and NLP and you wouldn't believe what is possible. Sometimes the possibilities in life are far more complex and rich than they seem when you look at things only on the surface.
Psychologically, This is the most intriguing derren brown thing I've seen... is she still seeing the colours the same, but the words have changed? Or is she somehow seeing the colours differently? If it is just the former, then how come she cannot recognise her car?
Now, this is my trouble with Derren Brown. I have never seen NLP have such a strong response as Derren Brown claims to use it to. Would appreciate a reply from an adept NLP practitioner. Can NLP have effects to this degree? Surely this is Derren's "Misdirection" ans "Showmanship"?
What they don't tell you is that she was eventually kicked out of her art school, lost her license after continuous accidents at the same street intersection and overdosed on drugs she thought was aspirin. Yeah real funny Derren... real fucking funny :(
@oniluaPogaihT looking at that direction doesn't always mean a visual construction. It does for the most of us....just like most of us are also right handed. But in her case it could be the opposite side is her visual construction
@uspprodotcom : kinaesthetic anchors are primitive. People's own naturalistic anchors are the ones you wanna catch...so elicit - then calibrate - then test and you have the best anchor you could never have thought of...and THEY gave it to you.
I don't think these same exact results would happen with just anyone else. Possible, but perhaps not even probable. Great demonstration. This is interesting stuff. But seeing red instead of yellow? I think not all people are that suggestable.
I got really thrown off when he said "So what color would you call this" and she just straight-up said "red." Did he drop some subtle hints to make her see red there, or was it simply the conversation about the colors that did it?
wow, I don't really understand though what technigue did he used..? NLP is so amazing!! yet, there maybe negative consequences - which, after we lookback at everything will not appear so important to us anymore, am I not wrong? =)
@oniluaPogaihT Sometimes this pattern is switched for a few people, so they use the Right hemisphere for rational thinking while their left is used for Creative thinking. But yeah her eyes move over the horizon extremly.
ok release forms get signed after if it wasvthe way you say there wouldnt be hidden camera shows so saying that means nothing and even if she faked it wasnt 4 sure she wuldnt get edited out anyways so your theory just fell thru
on second thought, she did say "Who painted my car black, so i geuss that he is reprogramming her head to think that one color is another color.........on third thought, i shouldn't care so much........hmmm
Notice how touches her left or right arm at times. It's not just something he does - he's creating an anchor. It seems from this video left arm for certainty and right arm for uncertainty, along with the visual positioning.
lol, are you sure about that? if so, try to get a hold of Fridtjof Knag Høssel of Åsgard in Tromsø.... He did this to me for being a sceptic :D Ill see if i can get a permition to carry a cam at the institution!
about the mass media nlp, the other day i saw an advertisement on tele and it was for a compensation claims company...the actor started by saying how "you are entitiled to compensation" and then he turns to a woman...
He sets an anchor of 'dubious belief' when he touches her on the left shoulder and an anchor of 'firm belief' when he touches her on the right shoulder while she visualizes images of her beliefs (his hand leads her eyes to access her right and left cortex of her brain). He reinforces the anchor. Then he "swishes"--pulls over the dubious image into the firm belief mode--as he triggers the anchors. When he changes her beliefs about colors, all he is doing is triggering the anchors he just set.
I don't get it... You've got a video of you "hypnotizing" a guy to smash up a car - but you claim that it's fake... I get that it's the power of suggestion, and that you can't circumvent someone's own will and get them to do something without their compliance - but that's different from just 'fake'. 'Fake,' to me, is that she is a stooge, pretending to not see colours in return for a paycheck and a shot at the big-time. If I were going to use stooges, I'd do something a little more exciting...
@oniluaPogaihT She is left-handed. Left-handed people eye pattern is normally opposite to right-handed. However, this is not a golden rule. Everyone is need to be tested before making conclusion.
@poroto931 He got her to mix up a whole series of colors that cover 95% of the colors that cars are.......... So even though he probably did know what color her car was he didn't need to know that.
She is fat. That makes her very suggestible. She will agree with Derren so that he will agree with her at a point. It's just the perfect subject. It wouldn't work with a less suggestible person.
you know man it doesn't always works many times it fails...there are many videos which people don't fall for it or wtvr... personally that time i would be logical and say no thats red not black....v.v
no no no, if u see when she was explaining 'uncertainty' he made the sign for 'maybe' to be touching her left shoulder. and sign for 'sure' to be touching her right shoulder. so whenever he asks a question and wants her to show uncertainty he does so by touching her left shoulder. and vice versa with opposite shoulder.
this guy rocks... the vid in which he buys stuff with blanck piece of paper is great, hilarious. and how about that one in which he asked the subjects wallet, watch and stuff? great.
I think I may have seen a trick where a guy does this in the video and convinces another guy off the street to give him his wallet, and he did it more than one time to the same guy.
after he helps her believe that she can get better teaching he says: "that little change can make all sort of changes...you will find out what they are..." then it takes out the color cards. looks like he connected the first successful change to the help do the second, harder, color change.
@oniluaPogaihT Actually visiual construction in eye patterns is top left,not right. Also if you read a bit more about NLP, you won't be seeing anything magical in this video.
Human mind doesn't work that way. It would take more than 30 seconds to get this kind of experiments work.. hours, days.. I've taken the NLP basic course on high school :o
what does the word NLP mean? o.O sorry for asking... I just don't know.. In my country NLP means "Neznani Leteči Predmet" which means UFO (unknown flying object) lol:D
He's not taking advantage of her. And as you said "why doesn't he help her?". Well, he did, do you not remember him helping her believe that she could achieve success?
I dont think hes making her seeblack when its red or red to black,I think hes making it seem that one colors name is another. I dont know, but thats what I think
when derren brown asks about her school work and where she lives and then he asks her to move the one image to the other thats the swish...its a technique in NLP.
if you see his other vdeos, he touches all the peoples arms when he is talking to them. So i doubt it means anything, but then again you might be right =]
Yeah - I don't understand Vimisi - he's a hypnotist and is calling it fake. People even undergo surgery under the suggestion that they feel no pain - and I don't really see how that could be faked.
She's in a state of confusion because a technique called anchoring was used. He planted positive and negative feelings which he then combine those feelings to create a state of confusion. This happens through his gestures.
notice how he associates uncertainty with him touching her left shoulder and certainty with her right shoulder. also his tone of voice changes when switching from uncertainty to certainty.
anyone know a good nlp that explain anchoring, embedded commands more in specifik details? i been reading nlp workbook and wasent what i was looking for, not bandler either.
I would be totally aware of someone's hand gestures if they were doing this to me, especially the left hand to the left shoulder which is a completely unnatural move.
he is using her right brain the emotional side, not the analytical to show the colors.. so she will agree.. I look in peoples right eyes to disarm people
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i can do my paper!
"um, why did you submit this entire essay in, RED INK?"
He would have had a field day with that black and blue dress
Derren Brown is amazing. His clips are amongst the best demonstrations of NLP, I've ever seen outside of a training seminar and to see these principles work on people that don't have an expectation of how they are 'supposed' to respond is priceless. He is brilliant.
I've been hypnotized before and it is real, but its something you can fight off. Its like the feeling of being distracted and not able to concentrate for a minute, like seeing a celebrity and being unable to look away, or blocking out your girlfriend talking to you during a important sports' match on tv. Everyone's been hypnotized you just didnt know what it was. It's just the feeling of being distracted temporarily and during that time you allow things you know not to be true to seem true
This is actually NLP Mapping Across, not the NLP Swish Pattern.
3:05 Derren was way sneaky the way he switched to the "certainty" anchor and got her to say a yellow card was definitely red. Wow.
so thats how he had them pay out on lopsing tickets at the horse races i guess?
guys, look, really look, he associates the "unclear image" with the touching of the left shoulder and vice versa. when he shows her the blue card he touches her left shoulder to unconsciously establish uncertainty in order to manipulate her to see the yellow as red and then, only then does he touch her right shoulder to establish a "solid" picture (solid indicating block colour red) making her see yellow as red and red as black. its not witchcraft, its child psychology and yes, also runs along the same lines as Collapsing Anchors
Outstanding example demonstrated as usual by Derren Brown. However, this would be better described as anchoring. Not Swish. Great vid!
hypnopotamus. that is so funny. Derren brown is brilliant. Oh and JohnnyAlpha8, i have seen this shit up close and personal, and it is not fake. Derren is particularly good at it.
Richard Bandler has a bunch of great books on NLP. Derren Brown recommends a few in his book Tricks of the Mind. Namely, "Frogs into Princes", "Trance-formations", and "persuasion engineering". He also says the eye-accessing cues have limited use, and may differ between people, so watch out on that part.
Derren Brown the reason why I'm getting certified as NLP practitioner.
Mine too. How did you get on?
There are all kinds of resources. Google or find NLP books, audio books, videos by Richard Bandler, Michael Hall, Robert Dilts, Kenrick Cleveland, etc. Even Darren Brown has an interesting book out.
this video is NOT the swish pattern and is actually the BELIEF CHANGE PATTERN
Some NLP techniques can be used in mass media. However, in this example, Derren is calibrating to the girl in the video and anchoring her responses. In the case of mass media, the anchor could be something else, like the sound of someones voice or an image.
I think you were ahead of you time- This may be strange after 13 years, but have you noticed associative anchoring in social media feeds?
Linking together unassociated threads to force an association.
It's completely ignorant to think you don't manipulate. Everything you do manipulates your situation. The definition of manipulate to influence skillfully. You dress to manipulate. You wear fragrance. You come to a job interview with the intent to manipulate the boss to give you a job, get a raise. You manipulate your spouse, your kids to do what you want them to do. Everyone does it. It comes down to your intention. Is it going to be hurtful or harmful to that person?
Very clever technique he uses here. He first starts anchoring a stat in wich the woman is certain of things and a state in which she doubts. He does this with the school example, when talking about uncertain things he touches her right shoulder, certain things are anchored to here left shoulder. Then when he starts to ask here if the card is definetly yellow he touches the uncertain shoulder to get her into a state where she doubts herself.
In theory its not hard ^^
he anchors uncertainity to HER left shoulder and certainity to HER right shoulder so every time he shows her a color he touches her on the left and then she starts to doubt wether it's really yellow/red/green/blue...
Very well done, coolest thing is that I have been seeing so many NLP videos by known that I start to recognize the anchors!
Man. The placebo effect *works*.
Besides, i'm not interested in *how* this stuff exactly works. We just know that it works *at all*.
Finding out why exactly it's working is a job for nouroscientists.
@DietmarSchneider he tricked her when she was young into thinking she was eating green
is that for real? sheesh
@oniluaPogaihT
i am praciticing and experimanting NLP myselfe.
up means visuall that is true. but, if her memory doesnt contain many visual sub modalities but it is a true mamory she may complete it with her creative part of her brain. that happens. and you cant certantly always say if someone is lying, or simply reconstructing missing modalities of the truth.
i tried this pattern on therapy and it went realy well.
Fake. A hypmotist tried this bs on me and he become irate and frustrated when his "suggestions" never worked. Maybe it takes a certain person who wants to not believe in reality or wishes to be childlike and have people tell them what to believe. Who knows. Maybe she was just into him and wanted to impress him by behaving like she thinks he wants her to. However it makes her look simple minded :(
@oniluaPogaihT you could always immagine your house or smth... besides, the "looking" thing isn't always right for others....
what I noticed is the shoulder touch... he makes the Swish Pattern and touches her shoulders. When he makes the same for colors, he also touches her shoulders, activating the Swish Pattern... (google swish pattern to understand it)
yellow - right shoulder, when he says red (for yellow) - left shoulder.... kinda reprograming the brain
Derren used belief change giving uncertain belief same submodalites as certain belief has so that belief is now absolute truth for her, also he used anchoring he never used swish. Also he used anchoring points to misplace her belief about colors, notice how he fires a anchor for uncertain belief and then anchor for something she knows its truth, that why she so easily accepted his suggestion about yellow is actually red.
@TwistingWays: It is not them that go into trance when you do that...you go into YOUR trance...and if you have rapport with them, they will follow and also go into trance. But if you don't have rapport then you'll just seem weird to them and you'll probably confuse them...which can of course be another opportunity for you to ASSIST them in going into trance. Pace their confusion and desire for something sensible...then give them the most sensible thing to do....SLEEP!!!!
It is a swish pattern method in NLP.
simply the whole thing starts at the beggining... he anchor(trigger) the state of "not sure about" on her left shoulder and he also anchor(trigger) the "its solid that..." on the right... he uses pattern while he move his hand over sides... that gives actually 'swish pattern' next things was just a shoot off the 1 anchor to "not be sure about that BLUE is BLUE" and fire same on the blue one AND then the second anchor "im sure and its solid that its RED(yelow)
As far as I am concerned, this Brown guy is an entertainer and I don't buy this stuff as real. However, NLP IS legit. #1) you can't believe what you read online often. NLP works far better than any traditional therapy out there. The issue is the practitioners need to be good. If you deal with a crappy one you will get crap results, but if you work with a good one, you will get AMAZING results. I had some NLP stuff done and it was very effective and real. .
I'll add that it's amazing what people will do to be part of a special group. The "anti-social" behavior of recent years (internet instead of actual talking) has something to do with this... I think these 'subjects' try to fill a void of acceptance within a social group, for lack of belonging to groups. She's playing along.. She is TOTALLY aware of the camera, yet doesn't look at it. A sign of "natural acting" to be accepted as a professional. That body language is her saying "I can do this!"
Well, no, it is still fake. The fact that she responds to it, doesn't make it real. She is getting attention, and as anyone knows, those who want to be the center of attention (maybe this girl) rarely walk away when given that opportunity. I don't know her, and can't speak on all the circumstances surrounding this event. I can say that it's "dangerous" for people to believe this is real. If it doesn't work, she's not on TV, so she has a choice to make when she signs that "release form".
Anchoring: Notice how he touches her left shoulder when he wants (and convinces) her to feel UNCERTAIN. Then, he touches her right shoulder when he wants her to feel CERTAIN.
First he conditions her to his touch as he tells her things that she deems absolutely true (ie, school and home). Then he reinforces that touch by convincing her of things that are questionable (This yellow could be orange).
Finally, she is conditioned to his touch and reacts accordingly.
He does it with all the tricks he does its only when they need to remeber that word that dont really pay attention to it but the subliminal mind does so it locks that word into your brain thats how he tricks most of the people and i think the reason he doesnt differant shoulders depdsn on how he talks to them like left should could be all the no's and right shoulder all the yes'sso he tricks there mind into thinking differant things
"'touching the shoulder' thing"
Notice which side he touched. Left side for uncertain/not solid, right side for certain/solid. This is supposedly mapping to the opposite sides of her brain - left side of the brain (right side touch) is analytical/rational, right side of the brain (left side touch) is emotional/irrational.
Don't know if it was necessary, he probably could have done his Pavlovian conditioning w/o touching a particular side. Hell, ppl can do it thru TV.
right hand up is anchoring the whole talk about being uncertain,difficult.. Tap on the left shoulder is to anchor once again and trigger the words itself. same thing with left hand right shoulder only it is certain, clear.
now when he tells her the color is not actually blue he does the tap which brings back the feeling of being uncertain and when says yellow is red taps other and there u go, she now CLEARLY knows its red and shes CERTAIN about it =) surprised how he pulls it off with his accent
The swish effect all comes in through his hands - look where he has his hand up - one side for certainty, one for confusion. Look also at the times he taps the shoulder of the girl to reinforce the effects, again one for certainty and one for confusion. It's real obvious when you see it.
As for the black, as she replaced yellow with red, the real red now has no colour attained to it, if it's not red, what is it? She says black as that's the eye's interpreting it as no visible color coming.
ROFLMFAO.
i'm sorry dude, but thats the funniest shit I ever heard. if its for real then doubly so.
I would suggest trying the same thing again, but this time telling the absolute truth about the colored cards you are using, perhaps using a color wheel, or all the colors of the rainbow to make sure its all in context or something. failing that, seek professional help, or contact derren on his website or somesuch.
when he makes her imagine the not-definite feeling he touches her left shoulder (00:19), associated the two, and her right shoulder with the definite belief. and at 02:35 says that it is not definitely yellow and touches left shoulder, reminding her of that non-definite feeling, so she doesnt think its definitely yellow, and around 03:00 he has her think that it could be red, and then touches her right shoulder making her think it is definitely red
@oniluaPogaihT She probably only pictured a part of her house which is in Vegas, or her house, but floating in the space of her mind rather than Vegas, but she get's a kinesthetic feeling of certainty know it's her house and it's definitely in Vegas. So the anchor was effective regardless of how she thought of it.
@oniluaPogaihT I think you are trying to read into it a little too much. Where people look for rememebering something visual and constructing something visual can be different. There is no rule that says all people look top right when constructing an image. Some people are different, and most left handers are the reverse of right handers.
Yes, but I was talking about the technique, not about those NLP-trainers. But I know what you mean, they are in most of cases just after the money, using some known technique like hypnosis or NLP as their own brilliant invention that is gonna change your life!
It's sad, but hey, if they make some simple people happy, I don't see a problem.
you must have a part of you that has some hope of change to have bought the book in the first place!
try something simple, like noticing which songs you have in your music collection that always make you feel great. this will prove to you that 'anchors' exist, and may get you curious as to how you could use that to your benefit. for example.
and says "sue! you also had a great lump sum paid you you from your claim didnt you?"...Sue!...get it? this really startled me as I actually fell for it completely, and then caught myself...we are all being controlled subliminally, this is common place in all our news reports, politial broadcasts etc etc
Someone asked: Why left/right handed. Handedness depends on your brains dominant hemisphere. This is a genetic thing, but is as mentioned, not always expressed in absolut terms. Eye patterns is by no means exact. They differ from person to person, and you can have to get a baseline before using them
@oniluaPogaihT From what I know, eye patterns are different from person to person.
But of course it could be fake. Either way, I am going to learn this cool trick ;) It works of course only on very suggestible people. The thing is, to learn how to spot one :)
@davidxrodriguez , david, you just already answered to your own question. what I mean? if your guys allways asks wtf are you doing with touching them, it means that your still didnt managed to direct the attention away. and you just still cant do IT such smoothly with no "misunderstanding" ;)
Well, I read one skeptic paper and it compared it to scientology. Hyponosis otherwise is true and part of psychology and science, even though the definition is kind of unsure. It's true that he uses many techiques and magic, so the title of the video is pretty misleading.
I'm just saying that a very fat person gets less attention and tends to agree with someone much easier than someone more average. I don't want to place stereotypes, but I believe that there are common factors influencing both. I know that fat women are easier to hypnotize. Anxious people too.
You did get this right but you reversed the uncertainty/certainty shoulders watch again its her left shoulder uncertainty and right certainty...simple anchoring then suggestion linked to it.... making her "certain" that yellow is red like she is certain where she lives
@hossrex:
So you did study up on NLP and Hypnosis???
I don't think so. I'm very much into hypnosis and NLP and you wouldn't believe what is possible. Sometimes the possibilities in life are far more complex and rich than they seem when you look at things only on the surface.
Psychologically, This is the most intriguing derren brown thing I've seen... is she still seeing the colours the same, but the words have changed? Or is she somehow seeing the colours differently? If it is just the former, then how come she cannot recognise her car?
Now, this is my trouble with Derren Brown. I have never seen NLP have such a strong response as Derren Brown claims to use it to. Would appreciate a reply from an adept NLP practitioner. Can NLP have effects to this degree? Surely this is Derren's "Misdirection" ans "Showmanship"?
says who! that's a pretty sweeping statement.
for general readers - nlp is a huge field and is not inherently manipulative! it also has amazing therapeutic and learning applications
What they don't tell you is that she was eventually kicked out of her art school, lost her license after continuous accidents at the same street intersection and overdosed on drugs she thought was aspirin. Yeah real funny Derren... real fucking funny :(
@oniluaPogaihT looking at that direction doesn't always mean a visual construction. It does for the most of us....just like most of us are also right handed. But in her case it could be the opposite side is her visual construction
@uspprodotcom : kinaesthetic anchors are primitive. People's own naturalistic anchors are the ones you wanna catch...so elicit - then calibrate - then test and you have the best anchor you could never have thought of...and THEY gave it to you.
I don't think these same exact results would happen with just anyone else. Possible, but perhaps not even probable. Great demonstration. This is interesting stuff. But seeing red instead of yellow? I think not all people are that suggestable.
I got really thrown off when he said "So what color would you call this" and she just straight-up said "red."
Did he drop some subtle hints to make her see red there, or was it simply the conversation about the colors that did it?
wow, I don't really understand though what technigue did he used..? NLP is so amazing!! yet, there maybe negative consequences - which, after we lookback at everything will not appear so important to us anymore, am I not wrong? =)
@oniluaPogaihT Sometimes this pattern is switched for a few people, so they use the Right hemisphere for rational thinking while their left is used for Creative thinking. But yeah her eyes move over the horizon extremly.
ok release forms get signed after if it wasvthe way you say there wouldnt be hidden camera shows so saying that means nothing and even if she faked it wasnt 4 sure she wuldnt get edited out anyways so your theory just fell thru
on second thought, she did say "Who painted my car black, so i geuss that he is reprogramming her head to think that one color is another color.........on third thought, i shouldn't care so much........hmmm
Notice how touches her left or right arm at times. It's not just something he does - he's creating an anchor. It seems from this video left arm for certainty and right arm for uncertainty, along with the visual positioning.
lol, are you sure about that? if so, try to get a hold of Fridtjof Knag Høssel of Åsgard in Tromsø.... He did this to me for being a sceptic :D Ill see if i can get a permition to carry a cam at the institution!
about the mass media nlp, the other day i saw an advertisement on tele and it was for a compensation claims company...the actor started by saying how "you are entitiled to compensation" and then he turns to a woman...
He sets an anchor of 'dubious belief' when he touches her on the left shoulder and an anchor of 'firm belief' when he touches her on the right shoulder while she visualizes images of her beliefs (his hand leads her eyes to access her right and left cortex of her brain). He reinforces the anchor. Then he "swishes"--pulls over the dubious image into the firm belief mode--as he triggers the anchors. When he changes her beliefs about colors, all he is doing is triggering the anchors he just set.
I don't get it... You've got a video of you "hypnotizing" a guy to smash up a car - but you claim that it's fake...
I get that it's the power of suggestion, and that you can't circumvent someone's own will and get them to do something without their compliance - but that's different from just 'fake'.
'Fake,' to me, is that she is a stooge, pretending to not see colours in return for a paycheck and a shot at the big-time. If I were going to use stooges, I'd do something a little more exciting...
@oniluaPogaihT
She is left-handed. Left-handed people eye pattern is normally opposite to right-handed.
However, this is not a golden rule. Everyone is need to be tested before making conclusion.
@poroto931 He got her to mix up a whole series of colors that cover 95% of the colors that cars are.......... So even though he probably did know what color her car was he didn't need to know that.
She is fat. That makes her very suggestible. She will agree with Derren so that he will agree with her at a point. It's just the perfect subject. It wouldn't work with a less suggestible person.
you know man it doesn't always works many times it fails...there are many videos which people don't fall for it or wtvr... personally that time i would be logical and say no thats red not black....v.v
no no no, if u see when she was explaining 'uncertainty' he made the sign for 'maybe' to be touching her left shoulder. and sign for 'sure' to be touching her right shoulder. so whenever he asks a question and wants her to show uncertainty he does so by touching her left shoulder. and vice versa with opposite shoulder.
this guy rocks... the vid in which he buys stuff with blanck piece of paper is great, hilarious.
and how about that one in which he asked the subjects wallet, watch and stuff?
great.
I think I may have seen a trick where a guy does this in the video and convinces another guy off the street to give him his wallet, and he did it more than one time to the same guy.
after he helps her believe that she can get better teaching he says:
"that little change can make all sort of changes...you will find out what they are..."
then it takes out the color cards.
looks like he connected the first successful change to the help do the second, harder, color change.
@oniluaPogaihT Actually visiual construction in eye patterns is top left,not right. Also if you read a bit more about NLP, you won't be seeing anything magical in this video.
Human mind doesn't work that way. It would take more than 30 seconds to get this kind of experiments work.. hours, days.. I've taken the NLP basic course on high school :o
what does the word NLP mean? o.O sorry for asking... I just don't know.. In my country NLP means "Neznani Leteči Predmet" which means UFO (unknown flying object) lol:D
He's not taking advantage of her. And as you said "why doesn't he help her?". Well, he did, do you not remember him helping her believe that she could achieve success?
I dont think hes making her seeblack when its red or red to black,I think hes making it seem that one colors name is another. I dont know, but thats what I think
when derren brown asks about her school work and where she lives and then he asks her to move the one image to the other thats the swish...its a technique in NLP.
if you see his other vdeos, he touches all the peoples arms when he is talking to them. So i doubt it means anything, but then again you might be right =]
Yeah - I don't understand Vimisi - he's a hypnotist and is calling it fake. People even undergo surgery under the suggestion that they feel no pain - and I don't really see how that could be faked.
can anyone explain, was she actually seeing black or did she just change the meaning ? LoL!
She's in a state of confusion because a technique called anchoring was used. He planted positive and negative feelings which he then combine those feelings to create a state of confusion. This happens through his gestures.
@oniluaPogaihT I've heard it's the opposite for left-handed people. Though the way she lies the cards down would suggest that she's right-handed.
@oniluaPogaihT Seems to be more like she is checking out the cameraman, since her private information (where do you live) was being recorded.
Has anyone tried this on your friends? lol... im gonna try it and see how good i can get.. might influence my teacher to give ma an A..
notice how he associates uncertainty with him touching her left shoulder and certainty with her right shoulder. also his tone of voice changes when switching from uncertainty to certainty.
anyone know a good nlp that explain anchoring, embedded commands more in specifik details?
i been reading nlp workbook and wasent what i was looking for, not bandler either.
@oniluaPogaihT
She could be left-handed, in which case it is not uncommon for the pattern to be reversed.
Just something to think about
This could be true i learned that color interpretation is just what we perceive in our minds a couple days in my psyc class ago thats crazy
You realy have to digg yourself into this kind of psychology. Not just say what you think. There are things that you still dont know about.
Swish pattern?
Looks more like the Personal Belief Change pattern with some spatial, and kinesthetic, anchoring. Where was the swish?
she was totally faking it... there was one point where her friends laughed and she looked at them and kind of smiled knowingly at them.
@BwSeven you don't know english very vell or you didn't listen to what they were saying (or you don't know allcolors on snglish).
Camera takes don't feel fair in this one: yellow card with her voice not in same frame, black car she announced with her back to...
I have a stone that repels lions, and I carry it at all times. I have yet to be attacked by lions.
My stone works.
Convincing?
I would be totally aware of someone's hand gestures if they were doing this to me, especially the left hand to the left shoulder which is a completely unnatural move.
no she's not seeing it that way, she is just thinking that without noticing. as i said, she had been hypnotized by darren brown.
id say derren wud take her out of it, and i dont think nlp like this works for that long, it usually give or take a few minutes
he is using her right brain the emotional side, not the analytical to show the colors.. so she will agree.. I look in peoples right eyes to disarm people
Besides the use of (NLP) anchoring; note that the RED of the couch is reflected by the yellow card (pause the video at 2.33).
Very clever of Derren.