As a fan in the Midwest, what were the reasons behind not placing one of the teams in the Midwest region? Looking back on the 2023 ticket sales Columbus, Louisville, and Minneapolis all were great stops last season. I’m hopeful that one of the 2 remaining regular season stops will be in the Midwest during the 2024 season.
I’m just now getting interested into watching lacrosse. It would be cool if my state had a team but considering NC is close I have chosen the Chaos. Kinda like with hockey I chose the Predators as the next closest NHL team. Go Chaos
As a michigan guy I didn't expect michigan to get a team for a long while, hell the pll hasn't even been here. But I thought it would've been nice for a Midwest team to go see, but nada. Also, texas not having a team is ridiculous. I hope the pll expands again soon so I can see some great lacrosse, but this annoys me being a huge fan of the game.
Maryland: The State of Lacrosse. Damn right. Not a fan of the Whipsnake name, though. Oh well. Chaos icon showing the states is awesome. So is the Denver skull one.
Is the PLL gonna add anymore lacrosse teams in the future? If so, you should really add one to Dallas (or Fort Worth). Its name could be something like "Dallas Bulls" or really anything. But Texas has growing lacrosse fan base, so I highly suggest a team in the DFW area.
I like this. This was such an important thing to get right and I think the league has done just that. As the league grows more and more and, I imagine, the touring model starts to wind down and slowly become a more traditional league model as the teams get more and more entrenched within their home markets, this is a good foundation to build outward for a more sustainable future. I understand that a lot of people in the Midwest, Texas, and Florida are disappointed, but I know you guys are probably right at the front of the line for expansion. Excited for where this goes.
The continued negligence of the Midwest needs to be addressed. The fact that I live by Chicago and the 2 closest clubs to me are Denver and Philly is absurd. How is anyone in the general central USA gonna be able to connect to any of these new clubs for those who are looking to get into the sport and the league. Either the PLL is just looking to make a profit to grow the league and hopefully expand or they just dont care about growing the game in the midwest. Either way, they need to be transparent about it and tell us why they keep ignoring us lax fans here in the midwest.
@@sinquiz5730exactly guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about theres only 8 teams what makes him think they are going to put a team in a completely unestablished market
For the immediate future it would make sense to put teams in smaller markets - places that don't have franchises in the major sports leagues. Those types of communities typically embrace more fringe sports like lacrosse. They tend to sell more tickets, have more sell outs and make more money at the gate and from merchandizing. Downside is, you want to be in the major markets for TV - although a sold out game with a crowd going nuts (in a smaller city) looks much better on TV than half-empty stadium with fans falling asleep. Makes sense to start in smaller markets and move to larger ones as the popularity of the sport grows - although TV might not allow for that.
it’s really relative. Lacrosse’s hotbeds historically viewership and play wise in the US are largely centered on the east coast where pro sports have a large following in general. What Lacrosse has going for it really is the timing of its season as it only really competes with Baseball and Soccer for viewership. While soccer is gaining popularity it is still quite niche in the US so Lacrosse definitely has a solid chance of gaining a footing even with the niche nature of it. Mad heads play and watch field on Long Island despite being right next to NYC and having ample opportunities to play other sports, it’s just part of our culture. Would be really weird and quite frankly offensive to the history of Lacrosse in the US to not put a team close to the market. Same with Maryland etc. Something to be said about giving a nod to the populaces that kept the game around while it wallowed in obscurity for decades. We had the Lizards well before the PLL, and have been playing well before it got big with the NCAA. Small market strategies while solid on paper don’t work with every situation.
I get the whole Maryland connection with the Whips but it could have easily been the DMV Whipsnakes and you bring in the entire DC and Virginia markets. A lot of lacrosse and viewership opportunities lost by leaving out DC and Virginia
No Midwest? LAME. Great Lakes region (MN, WI, IL, MI, OH) are thriving lacrosse communities with massive youth tournaments. D1 programs in Milwaukee, Ann Arbor, and Columbus. Not to mention Northwestern women's lax is dominate. It's a damn shame.
The Waterdogs should have been placed ANYWHERE in the Midwest; probably Columbus. Reasons why it shouldn’t have been Philly: 1) They’re right in between NY and MD so those fans could choose either one of those cities to root for as their home, OR just pick a random or their current team regardless of location. 2) Keeping championship weekend in Philly is a centrally location between the other 4 teams on the east coast AND it would be a “neutral” city for teams playing 3) Columbus/OH is a big enough market with OSU and surrounding states to make it work Cincinnati - 1.5hrs Indianapolis - 2hrs Pittsburgh - 2.5hrs Louisville - 3hrs Detroit - 3hrs South Bend - 4.5hrs Chicago - 5hrs Sincerely, a NYer living in Missouri
As an eastern european lacrosse fan, yeah sure, they should totally move to areas where lacrosse is nonexistent. Lets put two clubs in africa, two in europe, two in asia, two in south america, and then one in montana and one in mississippi. How does that sound to you? No, that would obviously not be commercially viable. I agree that the northeast has 1 too many teams, i think either the waterdogs or whipsnakes should’ve been moved somewhere else, but overall its not horrible.
Their still doing the touring their just consolidating teams it's so much easy to just pick the team that Is closest to you then just try and pick a random team out the blue
Calm down. There are only 8 teams. There's plenty of room for expansion. If you're going to have 2 conferences, you're going to need more teams. I'm betting that expansion comes sooner than later.
Michigan Michigan Michigan. Plenty of opportunities with a ginormous growing market in lacrosse, and one of the biggest companies in the sport was founded in Michigan, that being warrior. Got to tap into Michigan for the next team.
I cannot fault any decision made here; great to see the Outlaws back (I had a feeling you might). Now all that is needed is to make games available to watch in Australia.
It's different, but I like it. I think the organization made smart decisions regarding how everything was done. I can never bring myself to root against Maryland...so, Maryland Whips it is! *whispers* roll woods 😢
Will there be more expansions soon in the future? Will the Chrome comeback? Will Florida have a pro lacrosse team? If so, please bring back the Launch or bring back the Chrome to be the Florida pro lacrosse expansion team! I love lacrosse next to football but I would also love to cheer for a pro Florida lacrosse team.
Uhh. Did I miss something about the cities? We know the states but are the team centered in an actual city within the state? Or does that change randomly? I.E. California Redwoods/L.A. or is it S.F.??? Will we have to wait to see when the ticket go on sale?
My outstanding questions is are these team in base cities or market areas? As in will there be games in Albany where Atlas are the home team and later in the season games in Long Island hosted by Atlas again? Similar for all of California or will they be LA focused? Trying to better understand the market vs city concept in line with the touring model
Put a team in Texas and Washington then make everything west of the Mississippi the Western conference and the rest the Eastern conference. The Carolina logos and colors go hard, absolutely love it! Cheers from Raleigh, NC and see y’all in Charlotte on 6/7/24.
Gotta say, our family was huge chrome fans. Pretty pissed it’s the only team not keeping its name. Now all our gear we spent a ton of money on is useless
It’s clear that Paul Rabil didn’t want to take a chance on new pro lacrosse markets and he is stuck in the old ways of the MLL. Disappointing that they teased cities like Chicago, Louisville and Nashville (which have a ton of lacrosse) to stick with home cities everyone has already seen in the MLL. Takes excitement out of the league as it was meant to grow the sport. They made it seem like they were moving to new ways to grow the game. The Midwest is not as historic or popular as New England (bordering where lacrosse originated) and East Coast. Colorado was chosen bc of the huge fan base from the MLL and NLL teams winning in championships past. LA has a large fan base with the San Diego Seals and the lacrosse market on the west coast is growing bc of the NLL.
They just need time they are a new league. Need money and a foundation from existing markets to grow in the future. Too big of a risk to just jump into new markets.
@@BigDaner there have been 8 teams for going on 4 years now and they absorbed the MLL. By the MLLs 6th year they had added 4 expansion teams and it wasn’t nearly as well managed. 2 of which were failed California teams and 1 being the Denver Outlaws.
Sad no DFW. Feels like a miss to ignore the opportunity to plant a flag and grow in the youth sports crazy South. Genuine congrats to the winning regions. No interest in following another region's team so will focus on watching youth. Will check back in a few years.
They are missing that TX fans will not support ($$$ or viewership) out of state teams. They just stalled PLL growtg in the largest growing state. 🤦🏽 Promise you they spend more $$$ to reignite TX PLL interest. Better hope those Oly 6s set the sport on fire. 🤦🏽
I'm excited for the future of the pll but also scared. The pll could easily go downhill like the mll and im just hoping it doesnt. eventually in a few years we need a midwest team, texas team, 1 or 2 canadian teams and maybe a seattle or portland team. Utah Archers doesnt make sense it should've been like a minnesota archers.
NOT putting teams in Southern Ontario or the greater Vancouver Areas is a huge miss for the league. Having a Canadian team would have allowed for TV coverage and merchandise sales across the entire country - like what happens for the Raptors and Blue Jays. Not to mention that in the NLL, the five Canadian teams average attendance last year was 9,274 while the average attendance for the 10 US teams was only 6,912 (basically 30% more fans at the games in Canada). Five of the top 10 attendance markets for the NLL are in Canada and the 5 markets with the lowest attendance are ALL in the states. There are plenty of Canadian players. There should have been at least one - probably 2 teams in Canada.
Give it some time. If in 4 years we don't have an expansion then I'll be mad. In the expansion get midwest/minnesota, texas, and two Canadian teams. Eventually in 10 years hopefully it can expand to 16 with places like oregon/washington, tennesee, chicago, and maybe another canadian team.
Those cities that have teams now, enjoy it while it lasts. As soon as the PLL figures out they can make more money without expansion by having teams in Las Vegas and LA, they will pull denver, utah Carolina. you better hope ticket and merchandise sales hit their quota.
Where are the atlas playing? There are so many large markets for lacrosse throughout New York. Should be close to the center of the state like Syracuse so all of New York can see the teams play.
Lol come on you guys know it’s going to be NYC.. Rabil is a clown… then he’s on espn announcing the teams and they’re just running clips rushing him off the set not even giving him any time. No one cares about the PLL… it will be like the mll just existing in the land of irrelevancy and profit loss for years until he just gives it up. He should of went to markets that were unique instead of all the eastern lacrosse hotbeds… it’s such a lax bro move though so not surprised. I’m from Philly and love lacrosse but still just seeing all the fans in the comments from under developed lacrosse areas - or so people think - are actually hype on lacrosse and would support a team… we out in the northeast are already immersed in lacrosse it’s not new or exciting.. he should’ve went to places like Nashville, Texas, even Vegas. At least then it’s something new and you know at least for a little bit crowds will probably be huge.
Feels like trying the same thing and hoping for another outcome... should have taken some risk in developing a new market or two. Never going to grow if you keep playing in the same markets over and over, and they should have just stuck with the touring model. Hard to root for and identify with a team down here in Texas anymore. Not going to cheer for another region's team, especially a NE team :D
I understand that people are upset about the midwest not having a team but with the tour based style staying I think that can push people in the midwest to go out to games and show that they deserve a team or two which they definitely do.
But now that teams are assigned to cities, why would I go see the tour? Sure, hardcore lacrosse lovers will go see the tour, but the PLL already has hardcore lacrosse fans locked up. I think its "lacrosse curious" that they should be cultivating for growth, and that's the developmental markets that they should have had a team or two in. The main reason I would go would be so support my regional team, not for the love of the game (yet). No way I want to go see two costal teams play, I have no interest or investment in them; and there's no way I could convince my non-lacrosse buddies to go see NY play LA here in the south. Ticket sales make up 25% or so of most successful sports league's revenues. TV and merch revenue is king. They ignored the entire south, including many of the top sports markets in the country. I know it's weird, but wish they could have kept at least one roaming homeless team for us to take an interest in.
Paul. He played 1 year in the NLL for the Washington stealth. Then left and started the PLL. BOX LACROSSE Is so much more competitive and better to watch
How does Canada not have a team? Lacrosse is Canadas national sport and we have dedicated lacrosse fans that support NLL teams even in small cities. Not to mention we own USA in this sport when you count box and feild. Sounds like the PLL is trying to stunt the growth of lacrosse in Canada but regardless we will still win Gold at the olympics in 2028.
What i wished would have happened. WEST: Minnesota Waterdogs Texas Atlas Colorado Archers California Redwoods EAST: Ontario or Toronto Chaos New York Chrome New England Cannons Carolina or Florida Whipsnakes. ...Hoping Chrome will return for my son's sake.
Paul Rabil absolutely knocked this promo out the park. We’re lucky to have such a good representative of the sport. Can’t wait for the sixes tourney in February, my Redwoods are loaded. ROLL WOODS 🌲🐻💚💚
But after sixes ? I’m transitioning to the Maryland whips. I just love what they did with their brand!! Damn the PLL crushed this. The MLL could never 🤣
In time home cities will grow on people. Why are we bothering with a split conference system when the PLL only has 8 teams that tour.....so the same 4 teams are gonna play each other with a reduced season?
Ohio should have a team , Columbus not getting one just does not make sense, and yet Utah gets one and you are trying to claim that its because of amount of ticket sales/venue availability being why they got one...? I would rather you just admit that we forgot about it instead of decided to pick Utah over a team in the Midwest. And then jam 5 teams in a 400 mile radius on the east coast? Seems like capitalizing off where lacrosse is ALREADY popular instead of spacing the programs out to allow more regions to access the professional game?
my son and I think that Detroit Chrome has I nice ring and would be awesome to bring a midwest location to the mix
Super excited about Utah and Colorado getting a team but I am disappointed my home region, midwest, got ignored :/
Need a Great Lakes team‼️‼️
BRO FR❤
As a fan in the Midwest, what were the reasons behind not placing one of the teams in the Midwest region? Looking back on the 2023 ticket sales Columbus, Louisville, and Minneapolis all were great stops last season. I’m hopeful that one of the 2 remaining regular season stops will be in the Midwest during the 2024 season.
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I know i was kinda angry
I hope these east coast and west coast fans will pump money to expand 😂
Probably the fact that they only had 8 teams
Chicago Chrome is too good to look over. I think that’ll be one of the next few expansions because many people are mad they just abandoned the Chrome
I’m just now getting interested into watching lacrosse. It would be cool if my state had a team but considering NC is close I have chosen the Chaos. Kinda like with hockey I chose the Predators as the next closest NHL team. Go Chaos
As a michigan guy I didn't expect michigan to get a team for a long while, hell the pll hasn't even been here. But I thought it would've been nice for a Midwest team to go see, but nada. Also, texas not having a team is ridiculous. I hope the pll expands again soon so I can see some great lacrosse, but this annoys me being a huge fan of the game.
Exactly
They are going to lose interest in the hotbeds of the sport... Texas and the Midwest. I hope they can regain the ground they will lose
@@bogartroutiii2340stop being mad over nothing
over nothing? youre the one hiding behind a screen with no legit profile! you silly troll@@Anonymous2.2
hope your having fun in your moms basement @@Anonymous2.2
Maryland: The State of Lacrosse. Damn right.
Not a fan of the Whipsnake name, though. Oh well.
Chaos icon showing the states is awesome. So is the Denver skull one.
STL would be a great spot for a PLL team they could play at the STLSC field or the battle hawks stadium
Is the PLL gonna add anymore lacrosse teams in the future? If so, you should really add one to Dallas (or Fort Worth). Its name could be something like "Dallas Bulls" or really anything. But Texas has growing lacrosse fan base, so I highly suggest a team in the DFW area.
Dont care what anyone says, Im bought in Paul.
I like this. This was such an important thing to get right and I think the league has done just that. As the league grows more and more and, I imagine, the touring model starts to wind down and slowly become a more traditional league model as the teams get more and more entrenched within their home markets, this is a good foundation to build outward for a more sustainable future. I understand that a lot of people in the Midwest, Texas, and Florida are disappointed, but I know you guys are probably right at the front of the line for expansion. Excited for where this goes.
The hints at expansion and the chrome coming back. Seattle Silver Swords? Color change to emerald and silver/chrome.
That’s about the smartest thing I’ve seen for an expansion team
They misseed the opurtunity to have the SoCal Chrome, Northwest Redwoods, then expand with Denver Outlaws.
I don't like that they kicked chrome I mean it's just not the same without one of the originals
Lmao how is that even an opportunity? 😂😂😂
The continued negligence of the Midwest needs to be addressed. The fact that I live by Chicago and the 2 closest clubs to me are Denver and Philly is absurd. How is anyone in the general central USA gonna be able to connect to any of these new clubs for those who are looking to get into the sport and the league. Either the PLL is just looking to make a profit to grow the league and hopefully expand or they just dont care about growing the game in the midwest. Either way, they need to be transparent about it and tell us why they keep ignoring us lax fans here in the midwest.
Fax
ngl i thought the midwest was just farms
@@sinquiz5730exactly guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about theres only 8 teams what makes him think they are going to put a team in a completely unestablished market
Why would they put a team in the Midwest right now lol
Continued? 😂. Yeah they need a team but this isn’t a recurring issue 😂. There’s 8 teams. Relax.
For the immediate future it would make sense to put teams in smaller markets - places that don't have franchises in the major sports leagues. Those types of communities typically embrace more fringe sports like lacrosse. They tend to sell more tickets, have more sell outs and make more money at the gate and from merchandizing. Downside is, you want to be in the major markets for TV - although a sold out game with a crowd going nuts (in a smaller city) looks much better on TV than half-empty stadium with fans falling asleep. Makes sense to start in smaller markets and move to larger ones as the popularity of the sport grows - although TV might not allow for that.
I think they probably have more knowledge about sports marketing thebn you
Yeah no. Nice paragraph tho
it’s really relative. Lacrosse’s hotbeds historically viewership and play wise in the US are largely centered on the east coast where pro sports have a large following in general. What Lacrosse has going for it really is the timing of its season as it only really competes with Baseball and Soccer for viewership. While soccer is gaining popularity it is still quite niche in the US so Lacrosse definitely has a solid chance of gaining a footing even with the niche nature of it. Mad heads play and watch field on Long Island despite being right next to NYC and having ample opportunities to play other sports, it’s just part of our culture. Would be really weird and quite frankly offensive to the history of Lacrosse in the US to not put a team close to the market. Same with Maryland etc. Something to be said about giving a nod to the populaces that kept the game around while it wallowed in obscurity for decades. We had the Lizards well before the PLL, and have been playing well before it got big with the NCAA. Small market strategies while solid on paper don’t work with every situation.
@@Fatblue246 bro is fluent in yappenese
I get the whole Maryland connection with the Whips but it could have easily been the DMV Whipsnakes and you bring in the entire DC and Virginia markets. A lot of lacrosse and viewership opportunities lost by leaving out DC and Virginia
I’m excited to see how this turns out but I am very disappointed that my home area, the Midwest was left out and ignored.
"We asked ourselves if this city is in the central timezone. If it was, then we excluded it"
No Midwest? LAME. Great Lakes region (MN, WI, IL, MI, OH) are thriving lacrosse communities with massive youth tournaments. D1 programs in Milwaukee, Ann Arbor, and Columbus. Not to mention Northwestern women's lax is dominate. It's a damn shame.
The Waterdogs should have been placed ANYWHERE in the Midwest; probably Columbus.
Reasons why it shouldn’t have been Philly:
1) They’re right in between NY and MD so those fans could choose either one of those cities to root for as their home, OR just pick a random or their current team regardless of location.
2) Keeping championship weekend in Philly is a centrally location between the other 4 teams on the east coast AND it would be a “neutral” city for teams playing
3) Columbus/OH is a big enough market with OSU and surrounding states to make it work
Cincinnati - 1.5hrs
Indianapolis - 2hrs
Pittsburgh - 2.5hrs
Louisville - 3hrs
Detroit - 3hrs
South Bend - 4.5hrs
Chicago - 5hrs
Sincerely, a NYer living in Missouri
Why didn’t you guys add chrome to somewhere in Canada?
Make a midwest area. Please, I know the pll isn't really in the midwest but atleast have the out of home games be near the midwest.
The fan voting was a marketing ploy. It meant nothing. Grow the sport... by staying in areas that lacrosse is already big in.
They need money from current markets in order to grow... They couldn't just jump into new ones right away it's too big of a risk.
As an eastern european lacrosse fan, yeah sure, they should totally move to areas where lacrosse is nonexistent. Lets put two clubs in africa, two in europe, two in asia, two in south america, and then one in montana and one in mississippi. How does that sound to you? No, that would obviously not be commercially viable. I agree that the northeast has 1 too many teams, i think either the waterdogs or whipsnakes should’ve been moved somewhere else, but overall its not horrible.
Fucking Minneapolis sold out every year. But Utah gets its own team. What the fuck
Their still doing the touring their just consolidating teams it's so much easy to just pick the team that Is closest to you then just try and pick a random team out the blue
Calm down. There are only 8 teams. There's plenty of room for expansion. If you're going to have 2 conferences, you're going to need more teams. I'm betting that expansion comes sooner than later.
Michigan Michigan Michigan. Plenty of opportunities with a ginormous growing market in lacrosse, and one of the biggest companies in the sport was founded in Michigan, that being warrior. Got to tap into Michigan for the next team.
Great explanation, Paul. Let's go!
I cannot fault any decision made here; great to see the Outlaws back (I had a feeling you might). Now all that is needed is to make games available to watch in Australia.
Exactly what I was saying. Although there’s other places I woulda liked to see teams all the ones they picked were good.
Ugh, I was hoping for a team in Texas. Even if it was Dallas. Nothing is close to us. Ugh.
Womp womp. Definitely shouldn’t be. Other regions need focus first.
It's so unbelievably disappointing that the Midwest doesn't have a team at all. MN/Midwest was 3 of the top 10 finalists for cities
It's different, but I like it. I think the organization made smart decisions regarding how everything was done. I can never bring myself to root against Maryland...so, Maryland Whips it is!
*whispers* roll woods 😢
I'm happy for Denver has the Denver Outlaws now
and boston bringing back a team from the MLL days
@@StFidjnrthey’ve been a team for the past 2 yrs
Not having a Midwest team is a massive miss. There are no teams remotely close to the Midwest giving us really no reason to pick a team to support.
What cities are the neutral sites for the touring model?
Will there be more expansions soon in the future? Will the Chrome comeback? Will Florida have a pro lacrosse team? If so, please bring back the Launch or bring back the Chrome to be the Florida pro lacrosse expansion team! I love lacrosse next to football but I would also love to cheer for a pro Florida lacrosse team.
Uhh. Did I miss something about the cities?
We know the states but are the team centered in an actual city within the state? Or does that change randomly?
I.E. California Redwoods/L.A. or is it S.F.??? Will we have to wait to see when the ticket go on sale?
They’re still touring around but occasionally 2 teams will play in their home city for a double header or something idk I can remember
@Anonymous2.2 Yeah, but they didn't mention what city. Just the state.
@@lowbudge007 oh ok. I think redwoods might be SF based on a video I watched but I’m not sure.
My outstanding questions is are these team in base cities or market areas? As in will there be games in Albany where Atlas are the home team and later in the season games in Long Island hosted by Atlas again? Similar for all of California or will they be LA focused? Trying to better understand the market vs city concept in line with the touring model
I'm gonna miss the green/blue in the whipsnakes colors...
Put a team in Texas and Washington then make everything west of the Mississippi the Western conference and the rest the Eastern conference. The Carolina logos and colors go hard, absolutely love it! Cheers from Raleigh, NC and see y’all in Charlotte on 6/7/24.
How many times does UVA have to win the national championship for there to be a team in Virginia?
Wahoowa
Thank you for bringing Outlaws back.
Get a Midwest and Texas team and then move Carolina to east division
Gotta say, our family was huge chrome fans. Pretty pissed it’s the only team not keeping its name. Now all our gear we spent a ton of money on is useless
It's now "classic" and thus, "collectible"-- don't get rid of ANY of it... ;-)
Richmond Va Needs a team
the updated Atlas logo is the NBA Bulls logo but with MINOR tweaks
the waterdogs is a rip off the old wings mascot, mad dog.
@@dougmphilly really? tell me more
I love the logo redesigns
I don’t really care what geographic team I’m supposed to support now. I’m still just going to cheer for and support my favorite players.
Was a huge PLL fan but they took my Chrome away. I feel betrayed.
It’s clear that Paul Rabil didn’t want to take a chance on new pro lacrosse markets and he is stuck in the old ways of the MLL. Disappointing that they teased cities like Chicago, Louisville and Nashville (which have a ton of lacrosse) to stick with home cities everyone has already seen in the MLL. Takes excitement out of the league as it was meant to grow the sport. They made it seem like they were moving to new ways to grow the game. The Midwest is not as historic or popular as New England (bordering where lacrosse originated) and East Coast. Colorado was chosen bc of the huge fan base from the MLL and NLL teams winning in championships past. LA has a large fan base with the San Diego Seals and the lacrosse market on the west coast is growing bc of the NLL.
They just need time they are a new league. Need money and a foundation from existing markets to grow in the future. Too big of a risk to just jump into new markets.
@@BigDaner there have been 8 teams for going on 4 years now and they absorbed the MLL. By the MLLs 6th year they had added 4 expansion teams and it wasn’t nearly as well managed. 2 of which were failed California teams and 1 being the Denver Outlaws.
Seems odd to put teams in markets that failed for the MLL.
San Diego has a growing lacrosse scene!
You're pretty dumb to think those markets were getting a first crack team. They will be expansion options, but the league needs to make money first.
When is the Cannon’s B New Era fitted cap gonna be available?
Seattle always left out. But has some of the best rugby attendance, mls, mlb, NFL, etc
Yeah cuz it’s a not market 😂😂😂😂 can yall stop yapping about it?
Seattle is very loyal to their teams unlike other cities that boo at their home team, I think Seattle would have a very stable team for an expansion
@@henrybug8887 No they wouldn’t. There’s like no lacrosse fans there.
DFW should've really had a team
yeah instead of utah imo
BRO IK #givetexaslaxteam
Wtf is dfw
@@billstreet5043utah is a big market
dallas fort worth@@Anonymous2.2
I feel weird as a person from new York to not have the Chaos as our team the atlas just doesn't have that energy.
I agree Chaos has always felt like the home team in new york
I know expansion will happen in the future. It would be great to see 2 Canadian markets added in the future as part of the league...
A team in vegas would be a good shout
Expansion talks? Thoughts of when that would be added to the table? Bring in 2 teams at a time I assume?
Hopefully
Midwest 😢
Sad no DFW. Feels like a miss to ignore the opportunity to plant a flag and grow in the youth sports crazy South. Genuine congrats to the winning regions. No interest in following another region's team so will focus on watching youth. Will check back in a few years.
They are missing that TX fans will not support ($$$ or viewership) out of state teams. They just stalled PLL growtg in the largest growing state. 🤦🏽 Promise you they spend more $$$ to reignite TX PLL interest. Better hope those Oly 6s set the sport on fire. 🤦🏽
@@JZMartinez FACT! PLL worst market outside of the pacific
@@JZMartinezThere’s other places that are better fits than texass
Where will California Redwoods play? San Diego perhaps?
Rumor is Irvine, CA. Which is near Anaheim.
Irvine works for me as I’m in San Diego haha. Hopefully California gets split into more specific city expansion teams in years to come!
Damn it now I’m stuck who to follow! Do I follow archers for state or waterdogs for passion
I can now officially say I’m all dawgs.
Really wanna see Texas and Florida expansion teams
We really need a team in Cincinnati. Not sure what the expansion fee is.
Where are the Bayhawks? You talk about relegation with Chrome but you don’t bring back the most winning team in professional lacrosse?
Apparently we need 50 teams and a couple of territory teams as well... 🤓
Great Danes hate the water 😂
Chicago needs a team
we need more teams
So legit now. Cannons fan but California Redwoods or Denver Outlaws merch would just be so fresh
I'm excited for the future of the pll but also scared. The pll could easily go downhill like the mll and im just hoping it doesnt. eventually in a few years we need a midwest team, texas team, 1 or 2 canadian teams and maybe a seattle or portland team. Utah Archers doesnt make sense it should've been like a minnesota archers.
They're not gonna settle yet... don't worry. Still tour and growth based
Oh thank goodness
Minnesota needs a team soon
I'll just be honest all I want it the new york lizards, man
Thank you for bringing back the DENVER OUTLAWS!!!
Can’t wait to watch Denver lacrosse all year round!
We need a Florida team. There are enough people in Florida from up north to support Lacrosse down here.
I hope a team comes to the PNW someday 🤞🏻
I hope a team comes to Atlanta but a lil sad one wasn't sure what I was expecting though because not very many people play it here.
Tf is a pnw
@@Anonymous2.2 pacific northwest
NOT putting teams in Southern Ontario or the greater Vancouver Areas is a huge miss for the league. Having a Canadian team would have allowed for TV coverage and merchandise sales across the entire country - like what happens for the Raptors and Blue Jays. Not to mention that in the NLL, the five Canadian teams average attendance last year was 9,274 while the average attendance for the 10 US teams was only 6,912 (basically 30% more fans at the games in Canada). Five of the top 10 attendance markets for the NLL are in Canada and the 5 markets with the lowest attendance are ALL in the states.
There are plenty of Canadian players. There should have been at least one - probably 2 teams in Canada.
Give it some time. If in 4 years we don't have an expansion then I'll be mad. In the expansion get midwest/minnesota, texas, and two Canadian teams. Eventually in 10 years hopefully it can expand to 16 with places like oregon/washington, tennesee, chicago, and maybe another canadian team.
Those cities that have teams now, enjoy it while it lasts. As soon as the PLL figures out they can make more money without expansion by having teams in Las Vegas and LA, they will pull denver, utah Carolina. you better hope ticket and merchandise sales hit their quota.
I thought the atlas were going to texas so when will texas get a pll lacrosse team
Will all the chrome players, coaches and staff automatically transfer to the Denver Outlaws?
Seems that way if you look up the roster
It kind of just seems like we’re back to square one, where the MLL was before the PLL came in
Anyone know where Paul’s shirt is from? Lol
Can we have a stl team like stl speed or even put chrome there
I called the archers coming to my state
Never mentioned why no location was selected in the entire Midwest, Texas or Florida.
Where are the atlas playing? There are so many large markets for lacrosse throughout New York. Should be close to the center of the state like Syracuse so all of New York can see the teams play.
It should be in Albany
Lol come on you guys know it’s going to be NYC.. Rabil is a clown… then he’s on espn announcing the teams and they’re just running clips rushing him off the set not even giving him any time. No one cares about the PLL… it will be like the mll just existing in the land of irrelevancy and profit loss for years until he just gives it up. He should of went to markets that were unique instead of all the eastern lacrosse hotbeds… it’s such a lax bro move though so not surprised. I’m from Philly and love lacrosse but still just seeing all the fans in the comments from under developed lacrosse areas - or so people think - are actually hype on lacrosse and would support a team… we out in the northeast are already immersed in lacrosse it’s not new or exciting.. he should’ve went to places like Nashville, Texas, even Vegas. At least then it’s something new and you know at least for a little bit crowds will
probably be huge.
Feels like trying the same thing and hoping for another outcome... should have taken some risk in developing a new market or two. Never going to grow if you keep playing in the same markets over and over, and they should have just stuck with the touring model. Hard to root for and identify with a team down here in Texas anymore. Not going to cheer for another region's team, especially a NE team :D
we would love to see a team in san francisco. Thers lots of love up here!
The california redwoods are literally there 😂
I'm disappointed. I was hoping for a team in the Midwest or Great Lakes region.
I understand that people are upset about the midwest not having a team but with the tour based style staying I think that can push people in the midwest to go out to games and show that they deserve a team or two which they definitely do.
Yeah but then the midwest people don’t have a team to root for. I bet they’ll add 2 new teams tho.
But now that teams are assigned to cities, why would I go see the tour? Sure, hardcore lacrosse lovers will go see the tour, but the PLL already has hardcore lacrosse fans locked up. I think its "lacrosse curious" that they should be cultivating for growth, and that's the developmental markets that they should have had a team or two in. The main reason I would go would be so support my regional team, not for the love of the game (yet). No way I want to go see two costal teams play, I have no interest or investment in them; and there's no way I could convince my non-lacrosse buddies to go see NY play LA here in the south. Ticket sales make up 25% or so of most successful sports league's revenues. TV and merch revenue is king. They ignored the entire south, including many of the top sports markets in the country. I know it's weird, but wish they could have kept at least one roaming homeless team for us to take an interest in.
@@bitmonkey9267 It’s just so cities that don’t have a team can watch numbnuts
Paul. He played 1 year in the NLL for the Washington stealth. Then left and started the PLL. BOX LACROSSE Is so much more competitive and better to watch
No it isn’t. It’s goofy asf.
Box lacrosse will forever be a Canadian thing.
@@MikeHeath yeah well canada’s gay soooo
LETS GO PHILLY WATERDOGS
Should’ve added atleast 2 more teams. 8 teams is so low for a “growing” sport. Y’all need to expand and take risks to make this league to grow.
Chaos should have been in Atlanta or Nashville
How does Canada not have a team? Lacrosse is Canadas national sport and we have dedicated lacrosse fans that support NLL teams even in small cities. Not to mention we own USA in this sport when you count box and feild. Sounds like the PLL is trying to stunt the growth of lacrosse in Canada but regardless we will still win Gold at the olympics in 2028.
Atlanta needs a team, Paul. Atlanta needs a team.
Texas, Florida, Midwest expansions surely
The 9th team should be like the Texas gunslingers or something
Florida needs to be in PLL... Florida Bullsharks!!!! you heard it first!
So glad I spent all that money on Chrome gear. So much for brand loyalty eh Paul?
LMAO
Hey at least it'll go on sale soon.
hey at least he said "At least for now" which has some hope that they return in the future?
What i wished would have happened.
WEST:
Minnesota Waterdogs
Texas Atlas
Colorado Archers
California Redwoods
EAST:
Ontario or Toronto Chaos
New York Chrome
New England Cannons
Carolina or Florida Whipsnakes.
...Hoping Chrome will return for my son's sake.
Let's goooo with the Denver Outlaws coming back!!!
Paul Rabil absolutely knocked this promo out the park. We’re lucky to have such a good representative of the sport.
Can’t wait for the sixes tourney in February, my Redwoods are loaded. ROLL WOODS 🌲🐻💚💚
But after sixes ? I’m transitioning to the Maryland whips. I just love what they did with their brand!!
Damn the PLL crushed this. The MLL could never 🤣
@@Kobiejohnson12Maryland/ whip snakes looks like Jurassic Park theme
In time home cities will grow on people. Why are we bothering with a split conference system when the PLL only has 8 teams that tour.....so the same 4 teams are gonna play each other with a reduced season?
Ohio should have a team , Columbus not getting one just does not make sense, and yet Utah gets one and you are trying to claim that its because of amount of ticket sales/venue availability being why they got one...? I would rather you just admit that we forgot about it instead of decided to pick Utah over a team in the Midwest. And then jam 5 teams in a 400 mile radius on the east coast? Seems like capitalizing off where lacrosse is ALREADY popular instead of spacing the programs out to allow more regions to access the professional game?
Carolina Chaos let's go