2020 Santa Cruz Tallboy 4 Test Ride & Review
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Santa Cruz Tallboy 29er
Please join me live here on RUclips, Monday October 7th at 8:30 PM MST where we'll discuss all things Tallboy 4, answer any questions in the comment section below this video and just hang out! Live stream/live chat TOMORROW!!!
Can we see Ripmo AF anytime soon?
Thanks in advance.
Yeah, I would for sure go with the medium... my buddy Zac at 5'10" liked the medium better.... the bars feel a bit close on the seated climbing but it really does put you in a better pedaling position... good luck!
MTB yumyum will try and sit this one in for sure
@@logo1628 His live stream is tomorrow, Monday evening.
If I don't sell my *New and UN-ridden* Medium Hightower LT *XX1* (+ Reserve Carbon rims) for $7500 in the next few weeks then I'll just return it for a refund.
I just don't like 29s. I rented one to make sure and decided against keeping it.
I prefer my 27+ so the SC HT LT is available for another few weeks. I haven't even sent in the warranty cards.
email if interested sixcalls G mail
- and I'm probably going to list it on pinkbike tomorrow.
@@logo1628 What frame size did you get? Currently on a 20 Norco sight 27.5 A1 Large and i like the bigger bike feel more. Not a playful rider and don't do jumps at all. Just want traction and stability more.
I have a 2021 Tallboy CC 4 XO build and it is a good do it all bike stock, however its perfect after a wheel upgrade. I regularly do 30-mile rides with 5k of climbing. It descends better than all others in the category IMO. Mine came with Raceface wheels that were ok but heavy and slow on acceleration. After upgrading to light weight carbon Rovals I dropped almost 1.5lbs in rotational weight the bike really came alive when standing for power and acceleration. The bike climbs well stock but extremely well after upgrading the wheelset. The only minor knock is that due to the suspension, I feel that using the lockout on long climbs is a must if for efficiency and speed up hills
I can’t say enough great things about the TB. Just picked up the S build and have about 20 miles so far. I’m coming from hard tail for 4 years and was worried about pedaling efficiency. Wow, the TB is extremely efficient, esp on the ups. Climbs and descends like a beast!
Still enjoying it? I'm in the market for one
@@hurcorh I've had mine for 2 seasons and am still head over heels about it. Pedals great, loves to jump and absolutely bombs downhill. Ive also ridden a following which was really fun. Considered an Offering but my TB4 covers all the bases for me and still has more to give.
Yes, it gets better and better. It’s the over all experience of the bike that I love.
Are you still riding it? Just curious if you made any suspension changes. I am building up a new one from frame up and debating going with Fox 34 (GRIP2 damper) 140mm vs 120mm and the new redesigned 2024 Fox Float shock. Hearing great things about both.
I rode this today in S build and fuel EX 9.8 in Bentonville. I’m a very average ride like very average(Fitness way greater than skills), and it made me feel like a hero going downhill. Really enjoyed the experience. Now considering it after a ride. I can’t get ahold of a Spur or Ripley to ride unfortunately. I also rode my Giant XTC for hour and a half today which is about 5+ pounds lighter. This definitely climbed the tech stuff significantly better than my hard tail.
This trail looks so fun
Another great review. Yes, please do a comparision video of Ripley and Tallboy. Thank you.
Yeah, that would be a super fun video for sure. Thanks dude!
Now, finally, I've tried a medium size santa cruz tallboy. i am 180cm tall. Can be, it must be a size L.
can only highly recommend it.
It's actually good up hills too.👍
you recommend an M or an L for your height?
I will, choose a m. it is more fun and not so hard to get around sharp turns.
Nice vid. I just demoed one yesterday. Wow. The thing that always drove me nuts about shorter travel bikes is how sketch they got at high speed and down steep sections. I mean just cause I’m on trails that don’t require huge amounts of travel doesn’t mean I still don’t want to rip as fast as possible down the trails and hit steep chutes. Hell one of the best things about less gnarly trails is just the ability to rip ‘em fast and have that speeder bike on Endor feeling. But the geometry of short travel bikes always made that a scary endeavor, and the older I get the less I want to be riding on the edge. And along comes this new Tallboy. Still felt like a rocket to me from a standstill and is something that really scooted up the ups and I could pedal all day, but when it came time to let out the reigns, man that is when this thing shined. I own a Bronson V3 that I bought for Appalachian gnar and bike parks and I still love that for that kind of riding, but I am seriously thinking about adding a Tallboy to my stable for riding around the MD-DC-VA trails for which my Bronson, while it does them fine, really is way more bike than needed. Way to go Santa Cruz- thank you for finally uncoupling shorter suspension travel with upright geometry- with modern efficient linkages and steeper seat tubes that is no longer necessary in order for the bike to perform well pedaling or going up- it’s about time someone realized that.
wow, yeah... Santa Cruz nailed the geometry on this new Tallboy for sure! btw, I still think the v3 bronson is one of the best 27.5 trail bike ever... so good in just about every situation!
MTB yumyum I do love my Bronson. One weekend I took it to a downhill park on Saturday and on Sunday rode 23 miles at a 14 mph average on a road ride- didn’t change the sus, have no lockout and have 2.6 minions on it. Oh, and I suck at road riding. It is truly an allrounder.
Jason, absolutely love the channel. Best bike reviews on RUclips and seriously influenced me to by the new Ripley. That said we need to call you out on the "when the Tallboy 1st came out 2-3 years ago". In 2009. 😂. Keep up the great work.
haha, more content needed... my bad. I meant when the tb3 came out... thank you! I had purchased the 5010 maybe month before the tallboy was revamped to the then new tb3
It wouldn’t be a yumyum review with that the good ‘ol stem slap at the end 😉
haha I've noticed I do that too... dont do it on purpose haha I think I just sort of get into my rhythm and I do it for some reason... funny you noticed that! Cheers!
My favorite review channel...thank you!
Lance, thank you! wish I could have got this review out sooner....
You need to redo this review on a CC with carbon wheels and faster tires. Having owned the Ripley, sb115, and new 429; You’re way off on this review. This is one of the best bikes I’ve ever ridden. Amazing climber and offers a great balance of trail and xc. SC knocked it out of the park with this geo/bike.
I've always felt like the Tallboy is an incredible bike. But on the heavy side for a 120mm travel.
@@mtbyumyum maybe on paper but not on the trail. Id encourage you to revisit this one with faster tires and the cc version.
Are you using SC reserve wheels? If so, how are those rims holding up?
Jason, great review as always, I think you’re outclassing the pro’s like Pinkbike etc. on delivering solid information about ride quality.
My question is between the tb4 & Ripley, for each bike, what would you miss the most if I took one away and gave you the other?
Thank you for the kind words... just wish I could get the bike before the release date like all the bike guys do so my video can hit RUclips the same time as their videos... as for your question, it's easy... I wouldn't let you take my Ripley away lol hahaha the reality is this, and it's a bit harsh but what you get from the tallboy 4 is not that different than what you get out of a Ripmo to be honest. Don't want to open a whole new can of worms here but what the Tallboy 4 does great is what all the 130-150mm bikes already do at the same 30ish pounds weight.... honestly, the Ripmo climbs better than the tb4 and descends better imho.. can probably be built up as light weight or even lighter weight... but I don't want to poopoo all over the tb4
Thank you so much for this answer, helps me make my final decision, now I just gotta consider your comments above on a 140 Pike on the Ripley
@@mtbyumyum Totally agree about you outclassing the pro reviews. Strictly my opinion, but it feels like a lot of them tow the company line when describing the new bikes, and they rarely compare them to other bikes to give you a baseline. I think I speak for a lot of us on the channel when I say that we always wait for your videos to come out to get an informed opinion about new bikes!
@@mtbyumyum seems like you're not as stoked on the TB4 in the comments as you were in the review. In any case the description of the TB4 sounds a lot like my current ride- Transition Smuggler. Downhill/corner ripper, ok climber, short suspension, a little heavy. I will say, with carbon wheels, my Smuggler feels anything but sluggish out there.
@@rstrakovsky Ya I noticed the difference between the review and comments about the TB in the Hightower live chat and here as well. He still seems to be comparing a GX build TB4 to his over the top XTR+ Ripley build. A nice test would be to swap wheels with the TB4 and his Ripley and see how it climbs. I've ridden both and I do agree with his sentiment that the TB feels like a bigger bike and lacks the nimble nature of the Ripley.
Wow! It’s amazing what you can do on modern bikes. Jumps like that would have killed our 90s bikes.
Chris is a hell of a rider! Beem trying to find a Tallboy for months but due to the current state of the industry probably will have to wait until 2021
Great review! Interesting that you said what u did comparing the Tallboy to the Hightower. The frame has very similar geometry. Just shows that the slightest change to geometry can make a huge difference!
Honeslty, I think a lot of it comes down to the dps fox shock... having a trail (middle) switch on the tb4 where the hightower had the super delux without a trail switch... just open and locked out.... no middle option. That may have been the difference. also, the new hightower didn't have the same life like feeling of the tb4!
MTB yumyum ah gotcha. So do u think if the Hightower had a shock with a trail setting it would’ve felt better? I have a Hightower coming this next week, but have been ridding around on a Hightower for the past few weeks as I have easy access to it working for a shop that sells Santa Cruz, and I personally like the feel of it but I like bikes similar to it lot. I did really really like the TB4, super nimble and poppy, wish the S kit didn’t come with a 34. The pike is sooo good on it
Hard to say what the difference would have been with a proper trail/climb switch on the new hightower... the tb4 is the best trail bike Santa Cruz has in my opinion!
MTB yumyum good too know
Adventures Of Chris mmmmm , the Hightower feels like the V3 Bronson imo , kinda sluggish
I ride the 2021 tall boy with a Fox 36 and 2021 Pivot Mach 6 yes 2 different bikes but absolutely love both of them
Chris is a fast tallboy. 😎👍👌
I think that new Tallboy would be absolutely epic with a Lyrik or a Fox 36...Great Review!!! Please, please, please review a new 2020 Giant Reign 29er!
okay, good... I'm glad someone said that... I was worried everyone was going to think I was crazy for saying that at the end of the video. The tb4 is a legit trail bike imho and think the big fork would be awesome on there!
@@mtbyumyum thx for the reply. Been watching your vids for years. I say run whatever suspension make you happy!!!
@@mattmitchell5320 The only issue I see with that is the TB is already at 65.7 degrees headtube...Overforking a Ripley that starts at 66.5 seems to make more sense.
Thanks for responding to my comments. Love your Your channel .sold my trek fuel yesterday giant trance 2 29er top of my list with shimano slx 1x12
really liked the trance 29... check out the Ibis Ripley as well.... both very similar bikes in the way they ride!
I'm deciding between a trance 2 29er and tallboy right now... any final thoughts to share in those two?
@@Captainmj80 I have had my trance2 29er for over a year and love it I have a medium. I changed the stem from 40 to 50 mm and cut the bars to 760mm .it made the steering more direct and not as twitchy. The tallboy is just to expensive to me in new zealand
Another awesome review Jason. Being a weight weenie like you, how much heavier is the TB4 compared to Ripley 4? I already have a Hightower LT and wanting a 120 travel rear to add to my collection, but lighter weight than the HT LT is a big priority. Again thanks for this awesome review.
Yeah, that was the main complaint I have w this tb4... this was the S build and it was just over 30 lbs... by comparison, my Ripley is almost 24 lbs without pedals. On longer 3+ hour rides, the lighter bike is a bigger factor than more capably descending. The tb4 doesn't climb nearly as well as the Ripley even if they were a more similar weight... I think you'd have a hard time getting a tb4 below 27 lbs...
It's roughly a pound heavier.
Was planning to wait for the TB4 but instead got the Ripley and so glad I did. Every time I ride it I'm surprised by how good it is.. also, I got the lab austere pack and it is fantastic. Much more comfortable than the osprey I was using. Super easy to reholster the bottles..
dude, so glad to hear this! Yes! First pack I've ever been able to re-holster the bottle without stopping!!! Glad you're enjoying the Ripley... loving mine as well!
Thank you for all the good reviews and info,you make a difference on people's decisions about purchasing a new TOY,you mentioned that you had a review coming for the tb4 i had already order mine it shoukd be here Wednesday and yes my only issue was that the bikes was too heavy,I purposely ordered a R build purple so I could make some changes i9 wheels Nobby Nic 2.35 tires,shimano xt 12 speed components and eventually a Pike thank you for helping us,ill be watching tomorrow for the live streaming.
Nice, congrats on the bike and sounds like some well worth upgrades! See you tomorrow!
Thank you.
I screwed this live streaming am in the east coast didn't even think about the time difference mybe on the next one,awesome video.
I ride the new TB4! I absolutely love it. :)
nice, congrats! Fun bike!
Nice to see a 120 bike that can keep up with the long travel bikes on the tough sections. It almost seems like the Ripley might be more comparable to the blur than the tallboy. I’m not in the market yet for a short travel 29er, but it would be interesting to see which one feels more playful and fun. That tallboy especially in the X01 with the pike looked like it handled Jacobs-no problem
The Ripley is still a super capable descending bike but the Tallboy is next level for sure. Yeah, Jacobs was incredibly smooth on the tb4!
Tom Morris it’s so hard to judge SC bikes , on the whole I think it comes down to 1 where you ride and 2 how much effort you can put in
I have the 5010 2018 and for me it’s perfect , it climbs amazing, it’s a super fast trail bike , downhill it’s as fast as my ability to go fast on a bike 👍🏽
Paul Cartwright ya, the 5010 looks sweet. I have a 27.5 YT Capra, but I’m considering a short travel 29er for the future. Both the ripley and the tallboy 4 look pretty good. I like the capability of that new tallboy. Ripley May be more poppy and fun. I’m staying away from a 5010 just to have a bike with 29 wheels
Paul, you make an excellent point that a lot of people overlook... "as fast as my ability to go fast on a bike" and I'll add.... as fast as a trails speed dictates...
MTB yumyum Aha yeah thanks J , yeah I mean I had the N4 Nomad and it was amazing, I tried the Megatower, and literally they’re ALL great bikes but I kept thinking to myself “ When am I ever gonna push this Nomad to its maximum level , like probably never , the Megatower kinda the same but the Megatower is better all round , trail jumps etc , But the 5010 can do as much as I can give it so it is hard to beat 👍🏽👍🏽🌲🌲🤟🏾
Dude! I'm just waiting for your TV show!!! , your reviews are that good!!!
tv show?
I’ve got my eye this bike🤔. ST travel 29er yes please!
JC TRAILS would you choose this over your HT as you 1 bike quiver?
Smooth Magic, unless he rides w you he really can't answer this question.... I get asked all the time what bike someone should ride. Without knowing the riders ability, speed and trails they intent to ride a "one bike" or "best bike" is different for so many different people. That said, the tb4 is a super fun and capable bike!
Smooth Magic I agree with what Jason said above. I’ve seen some of my riding buddies do some crazy stuff on ST bikes. If your looking for more squish then get the HT. If you like more of a poppy playful ride then maybe check out this TB.
@@jctrails I think you will like this bike. Coming off of the OGHT, this thing is just about perfect for me, I feel just as confident on the hairy sections as the OGHT, and better everywhere else. I really wanted to try the Ripley too, but at 6'1" 190ish riding weight, the stiffer SC frame and progressive shock rate really suits me.
JC TRAILS Yo J hope you’re all good , I demoed this bike today , it’s amazing climbing but dh it’s not great , but if you got the high spec Cc then I think it would be great
Your reviews are great! Very informative, interesting, honest, real. The trail videos can't show the trail in enough detail for the viewer to determine how steep, gnarly, etc. it is. Maybe it would be nice to verbally describe those sections? Thanks for the great videos.
Yeah, thank you. In fact, in several other videos I remembered to describe the trails ie: 6-12" rocky sections, chattery bits and high speeds... all the first clips are an average speed of 24 mph with speeds as high as 34 mph... i need to remember to do that. Thanks for the reminder👍🙌
@@mtbyumyum Just want to say again, your reviews are very good. Thank you.
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Great review as usual! Thanks! By the way, I recently installed Pike 120mm on my Blur and now I'm happy 😁
Hey the intro clip is full of MJ jumping for hoops, dam brother who needs wheels when you spend most of your time in the air!! Nice job as usual guys!
haha thanks!
Great review. Been waiting on your thought on this bike. You probably sold me on this bike for next spring!
it's an incredible option for everyday trail bike business! Thank you and good luck!
Nice Review Jason, so glad I bought my Ripley, I agree that Ripley best climber out there and super stable in the chop. I’m a one bike quiver guy and feel the Ripley is just more for your money, Santa Cruz is more name but definitely less for your money and Ripley frame is lighter and you don’t pay extra for a “CC” frame.
Ryan, I couldn't agree more... the Ripley is a rocket ship! I went from a Yeti sb100 to the Ripley and feel it climbs as well or better than the shorter travel sb100. The Ripley with a Pike at 140mm could possibly be my only bike...
MTB yumyum I did option mine with a 140mm Fox Factory 34 since I only have a 1 bike quiver, I missed the Pike train I that everyone is raving about.
Jason ,Great review on this bike , Thanks for giving us your honest educated opinion .
My pleasure. Glad they make a difference for the people that don't always get a chance to demo before they buy.
I felt the washboard on jacobs secret dh through my screen XD
haha awesome!
Great review!
I'm looking for a new bike and I'm in between the Ripley and the Tallboy.
I currently have a Stache7
Hard to choose lol
is the stache 7 a hardtail?
@@mtbyumyum yes it is, its Treks "do it all" hardtail with plus size 29rs
What would you suggest?
I feel like you get more bike/bike parts if I chose the Ripley
Love your videos Jason! You do a great job giving your thoughts and opinions on the bikes handling in the real world. Really stoked on these new short travel 29ers (Ripley, Trance, Tallboy) but really unsure if they are enough bike/squish for British Columbia riding. If you aren't hucking jumps or a super aggressive rider but still riding steeper, technical, rocky, rooty terrain - are these bikes gonna get overwhelmed/bottom out? Would one be better on a mid-travel 29er (Ripmo, Hightower, Rocky Mountain Instinct)? The two I'm really considering right now are the Tallboy v4 and the Instinct - but the Instinct in the mid-setting has a 66.5 HTA and 75 STA. With the "long and slack" movement - is that too conservative or you still going to feel pretty confident descending with those numbers?
Would love to hear your thoughts! Thanks so much for your work!
Yeah, lets chat about this tonight at the live stream... the short, the Instinct is a better trail bike that climbs better than this tb4.... the tb4 feels like a longer bike when riding though... super slack hta... you might consider the instinct with a 150mm fork pike
@@mtbyumyum alright I'll swing by during the live chat tonight and hopefully we can dig into that more! 😊👍
Jason
Always enthusiastic to see your next video. Honed my search down to 2 bikes, this and the Trail 429. Rode both recently and wished I had the DW Link of the Pivot, on the geometry of this bike. I have rocky, technical terrain, with some gnarly, chundery downhill sections here in NY. Tallboy felt so stable and forgiving, while the Trail 429 felt very quick, and such an efficient pedaler-no energy wasted. What would your pick be between the two?
Get a demo on the new Pivot Switchblade. Climbs almost as well as the T429 with a slight better geometry in my opinion and descends better than the Tallboy. Good luck!
MTB yumyum Thanks so much Jason!
Waiting for the EVIL Following 2020 review!
Just bought my SC TB ...From KrisP at GoRide in Draper. LOL. Cannot wait to crush Jacobs and Rush like you guys are doing (albeit a bit slower than Krispy)
Awesome! Thank you!
Darn.... Was hoping this video would settle my decision between getting the Tallboy, Ripley or Ripmo. Honestly I was shocked to hear you comment the Ripmo ascends just as good as the Tallboy. How could that be?
Well, to be fair, the Ripmo will handle more gnar but anyone willing to deliver the abuse the Ripmo can handle would never consider the Tallboy 4 in the first place!
@@mtbyumyum So how much better does the Tallboy climb compared to the Ripmo? I'm looking for a Swiss army, do it all bike (aren't we all? ;)
Why do you think Santa Cruz ships a 5010 with a DPX2 but a Tall Boy with a DPS? Seems like the bikes are in the same class and would run the same shock.
interesting observation... didn't even cross my mind. Yeah, good point. Maybe to create some separation between the tb4 and ht. Maybe we talk more about this on the live stream tomorrow evening.... thanks for the comment!
Great review and footage! Manny, Chris and Zoe are great guys. Always friendly and none of that condescending feeling you get at some shops.
Thank you! Yep, some good dudes over there!
Yum yum 😋
You need to Ride a Revel Rascal it just might blow your mind 🤯
Honestly, so many people have been saying this... I'll make it happen before the seasons over! thx!
Great review - just bought one!
Nice, congrats!
Great review! How much of the difference in climbing between the Tallboy and Ripley comes down to the burly tire setup of the Tallboy?
none... I've ridden the Ripley with several different tire combos including what the tb4 had on it.... although I completely and totally agree that tires make a bigger difference than actual suspension systems, the Ripley flat out hauls the mail climbing!
@@mtbyumyum Interesting. I have to demo both of these bikes. Thanks :)
@@srirammanian536 did you demo them?
Glad you picked up on the downside of this and many other 120mm 29’ers, weight. This bike shouldn’t weigh more than 27lbs. Why ride this when a more capable HT weighs the same?
yeah, it's a real consideration when looking at a shorter travel 29er.... I recently rode the Evil Offering and it was 28 lbs as I recall... super fun bike and very capable! Great comment, thx
They don't weigh the same though do they? I'm looking at the Santa Cruz website now, both "R" setups, and the Tallboy weighs about 1.5 pounds less. Maybe I'm missing something
Good review and awesome looking bike. Is it fair to say that the tallboy 3 was more of a xc/trail bike and the Tallboy 4 is a short travel trail bike wich is no longer good for xc riding? I'm really curious about the climbing ability between the Tallboy 3 and 4 because the change of geometry?
Good questions. The geometry between the two bikes is just so different... the tb3 had a very snappy feeling to it.. also very quick to accelerate. I would definitely put the tb4 in the trail category. I'd have to ride them back-to-back but as I recall, the tb3 scoots up the trail with more ease...
Thank god I got my 2019 instead! Not at all what I would want. C’mon Santa Cruz!
Thanks for another great video. Ripley. Tallboy ??????? Slow east coast trails intermediate skill. I think Ripley. Tough decision .
Thanks again
All day my dude! Ripley cant be beat in the 100mm - 130mm category... it stands alone! Try and get a demo so you can know for yourself. Its a unique bike for sure!
2:05 Hey Jason - when you say you'd swap the tires out - why is that? And which tires would you install?
I'm curious to know if you think the spec tires are too heavy, or too aggressive, or both? : )
Thanks for the review. I have my eye on this one and the new Ripley. I felt like the stock rubber on the Ripley was too beefy when I did a demo ride.
Great question. I'll address this in the live stream Monday night as well... I love the DHR II 2.3 front and Forekaster 2.35 rear combo and right now Im absolutely loving the Rekon 2.4 front and Ardent Race 2.35 rear on my Ibis Ripley... super fast rolling tires that still corner and brake really well for my terrain.
@@mtbyumyum thanks for the response! I used to ride with an Ardent Race 2.3 on the rear... Super fast but I found it kinda sketchy when braking on anything loose. Maybe I just need to improve my technique?
I ride DHF and DHR 2.3's on my current bike (5010) and don't want/need more rubber. After a demo of the Ripley it left me thinking "I bet this bike would feel a lot more snappy with some 2.3's on it.". Maybe I'm stuck in my ways, but I'm yet to feel the need for any more rubber than that, and I'm not really into the big tire trend for my kind of riding.
Thanks for getting back to me. Have a great weekend!
Yeah, most of the Ibis demo bikes have 2.6 Hands Damf and nobby nic tires... like you, I prefer the smaller tires
Excellent review, Chris is a real good interview too. I had a feeling that this might be the cream of the crop for the three new SC lower link bikes. A bike like this is exactly what I ideally should be riding (except I don't like how exposed the shock shaft is to grit and grim). My original HT really is still a great bike, still feels as stiff as the day I got and it has about 3,000 miles on it. The main thing I would like to improve over the HT is the square hit kickback sensation. I do a lot of technical chucky climbing and if I don't have the shock perfectly set with PSI and rebound clicks, the kickback sensation is really noticeable. Its my understanding that the lower link has pretty much solved this issue with VPP. DWlink is probably the best, however good ole Horst link is suppose to be supper active during tech climbing as well. Anyway I really enjoyed this review.
Thank you Bill. Yeah, you for sure need to get out and try the tb4... excellent overall trail bike! Little on the heavy side....
Ah, the Pre-Switchblade days - lol - I think Pivot should've changed the name a little with the 2020 update, something like *Switch It Up*
Wondering what the outcome would have been had this review included the 2020 switchblade as an A/B comparison?
...and I like this older review format, I like it when you review while riding.
Yeah, a lot of people have mentioned the change in review style... I might go back to the old way but it takes more time... thanks!
Ha ha, not your average ‘Dad Bike’! This one looks so sick!
haha yeah, I thought it was appropriate!
That pack is good. I got it
Hi Jason. Love your mtb reviews. Im currently in Provo Utah right now and planning on riding jacobs ladder today. Its one of the main reason why im here in Utah. Ive read some reviews of jacobs that you need a 4x4 to get to the main trail head. Where do you normally park your car? Thanks in advanced. God bless.
hit me up on instagram and I'll explain it to you! you dont need 4x4 though lol
Awesome review! I’m about to get a 2022 V4 frame due to warranty and will build it up. Please tell me more about the Pike vs Fox 34 preference. I have a Hightower LT with a Fox 36 (FIT4 damper) 150mm that has always felt harsh to me especially on small bumps and washboard type terrain. How does the Pike handle that and also which one weighs less? What about going 140mm in front vs 130mm?
I like these short but fun travel bikes. Could you make a check of the Kona Process 134? The new one? Would be great
Question here 🙋🏽♂️ is you have to have only one bike for most long rides (40 to 70 miles rides) with some hills and good downhills and those rides help you to train for marathon races, would you choose this santa cruz or the ripley?
I'd for sure take the Ripley for the type of rides you've described. And really, tire choice would be an even bigger factor... Something fast rolling and least amount of drag that still held in the corners would be my choice. Right now I'm riding Maxxis Rekon 2.4 front Ardent Race 2.35 rear and feel like it gives enough protection, traction and speed for my Ripley. There are faster rolling tires out there to consider as well but you really start to sacrifice traction in the corners and braking including protection... but no question, the Ripley will out do the Tallboy on weekly 40-70 miles training rides.
leonardoolivar love this tire choice as it’s what I use on my RM element or with an Ikon rear 2.35. Stellar combo
Would be interesting to see you ride the new Marin Rift Zone to compare it to the Tallboy.
Hello Jason. My name is Nicolas I leave in France ( nobody's perfect LOL ). First thanks a lot for your awesome videos and congratulations for what you do much respect. Got a question for you. Don't know if this two bikes are comparable but I do need your opinion about Rocky Mountain instinct and Santa Cruz Tallboy 4. Which one is the "best" for long day riding ( 5-7 hours ). Trails are like those you are riding in this video. Thanks a lot for your answer. Take care and have a nice day.
Nicolas, welcome from France! Good to have you here! I used to own the Instinct and to this day think it's one of the very best do everything bikes available right now. In fact, 4 of my good friend still ride the instinct as there only bike. I would hands down take the Instinct over the Tallboy 4. It is incredible and I don't think you'll be disappointing!
@@mtbyumyum : Hi Jason. Hope you're good. Thanks a lot for your quick answer and helping me in my quest. I think to follow you on this one. Appreciate your help and thank you once again for what you do. PS : have you made a video about Intense 2020 Primer ? I was thinking this bike could be good for me too.
Cool review on the Santa Cruz Tallboy, nice ride short travel suspension 130mm front, 120mm back. Is there a way you can demo a Niner Jet 9 RDO.
yeah dude, the tb4 is a ripper for sure!
Curious as to how this would compare with the Ripmo. Seems like the Ripmo weighs about the same, more travel, and may climb about as well with the DW-Link suspension. Any thoughts there?
haha I actually made the comparison in the response to someone's comment below.... the great thing about this bike is how much fun it is and capable given the short travel... that is also the problem with this bike for me. At 30 lbs why not just get the Ripmo right?!?! there is a case to be made here and I don't want to muddy the water but really, the ripmo climbs better in my opinion (although a back to back ride would help) and is an incredible "poppy" 145mm bike... descend better than the tb4 and weighs about the same. I remember feeling the same way about the Evil Following that everyone was raving about... how capable it was for a short travel bike... the Offering is far and away the better bike and really doesn't weight any more. The same comparison is not true with the new Hightower... that bike doesn't have that same lively poppy feel of the new tb4 or the ripmo... probably getting to far down the rabbit hole for this platform but maybe we talk about it tomorrow night at the live stream. Great comment, thanks!
Yes! Been waiting for this review!
glad you liked it
He is a true salesman
Great review!
thank you! this was a fun one!
You mentioned you had a RM instinct, my next bike is between the new optic and the instinct. The optic seems to be pretty similar feel to the tallboy. How does the tallboy compare to the instinct?
I’m in a similar position. I would really like to know! It seems like the Instinct was a blast to ride based on the review.
Think you’ll get out on the new Fuel EX? I’ve seen a few comparisons between the TB4 and the Fuel. Specs seem pretty close. So many ST 29 bikes out there. Just found an Ibis dealer in my state and a Ripley is coming in around the end of the month.
Thanks for the great review! How does this compare to the Stumpjumper ST?
Unfortunetly I never rode the 29 st... I rode the 27.5 st and didn't love it honestly. I would really like to get out on the stumpy 29 st
Hello Yumyum. Question. I’m only 2 years in to mountain biking. So I don’t go very crazy fast downhill and wondering what is the best bike for me? Ripmo, Ripley or Tallboy. I do have to pedal up the hill in most of trails I ride. Thank you.
it just depends on your trail system and speed you ride. Of the bikes you listed, I'd go with the Ripley
I don’t go very fast on downhill. Maybe thats because I ride 2015 Giant Anthem XC bike and so out of control. Not sure. How big of a deference to pedal uphill Ripmo Vs Ripley. Trails kind of half loose 2”-6” and also some smooth single trails with some switchbacks. In 15mile I usually put about 2,000ft climbing.
Great review Jason!
thanks dude, this was a fun one for sure!
In your live video for the Hightower you mentioned something about your approach to proper suspension setup. Could you please explain again...
Just bought 2019 Tall boy 29er yesterday. Where are you guys riding at? Looks so fun
I know they're opposites but how does the tallboy climb compared to the mach 6? I'm looking for a bike that climbs really well but slack enough for Santa Cruz and suspension that can handle repeated square edge rocky terrain. No lift service as I have a wreckoning with a boxxer for that
If you already have an Evil Wreckoning, I'd look to something more like this tb4 or the Ripley... Honestly, if I had a two bike quiver, I think the Ripley would complement the Wrecker really well. The advantage of the Ripley over the tb4 or even the Mach 6 you mentioned would be weight.... you can build up a ripley under 27 pounds with good tires easily! Mine is 25 lbs including pedals.
When are you going to do the chameleon? Get on the hardtails
I own the 2018 Hightower XO1 build with Fox 36, and the New Tallboy specs seem to be very similar to the old Hightower, including the weight. Did you find the new Tallboy similar in any way to the old HT? Thanks, and great job on the reviews.
No, I would say it feels like a pretty different bike... almost more capable than the previous hightower... as odd as that mean sound. The geo on the new tb4 is spot on for a trail bike and the new lower link is a game changer for charging hard through the chundery descents. Give one a try, you might be surprised!
Thanks Jason.
Hey Jase,a few bikes I would love to see you review
Kona process 134cr
Nukeproof reactor
Fuel ex 9.8 /9.9
I think I can get my hands on the fuel ex and process 134... would love to demo those bikes!
Yes a Process 134 review would kick butt. No one has been talking about it...
@@chadclark2070 Agree, Process 134 looks like a great one quiver bike based on what I've seen.
Maybe some are getting better, but they're also getting ridiculously expensive. I've just bought an immaculate 2014 Intense Traser for £850 and I'd put it up against many newer bikes without a worry.
Yeah, I completely agree... bike prices are getting out of hand. It's insane to be sure.
That’s Awesome, Chris.
Hello thanks for vidéo. And compare to norco Optic . The more fun ?
I got the R kit for my first mountain bike! Where are those trails located?
Looking forward to it.Sorry I missed the live feed on Tallboy.
Work duties
no stress dude!
Please compare to Pivot Trail 429 and SC100
I'll try and talk about this tonight in the live steam!
Hi Jason. I'm a cuople years older than you at 5'8" and 167lb and ride more like lower Rush 75% of the tim, but Jacobs would be my max speed and max knaar. I'm trying to decide between a Ibis HD5, Ripley4, 2020 Tallboy, Pivot Trail429 or Switchblade and I like them all when I've test ridden each but minor differences make me wish I was rich enough to buy all of them.
Your input means a lot to me, what do you think?
If I had to choose 1 bike from the bikes you've listed, I'd go with the Ripley and ride a Pike Ultimate at 140mm... I think it could be the perfect bike. Good luck!
I never hear anything about pedaling on flats with the Tallboy. I do value pedaling, but I suspect that it pedals great since I didn't really hear a complain about it?
How would compare the TB4 to the 2018 Evil? Best honest brother 👍
What is the point of heavy butts short travel whips with enduro geo?
yeah... like the tb4 but I'd love it if it came in under 27 lbs
Hi Jason, can you Demo the Yeti SB 165 pretty please !!! Look awesome 👍
haha I've had several requests for that and the new Slayer... though are big bikes and difficult to give them a proper review and test ride on the trails you see in my videos....
Actually I kind of chicken out on the trust fork being I have no idea how it would ride and honestly don’t like how it looks but may go with a 140 fork. I would love to get the build rite and sure need your thoughts and advice. Thanks very much!
depending on your budget, just ask Chris to build it up like mine.... I didn't hold back on my build but I love it!
Was watching your live stream tonite when simple occurred to me. Just tell Chris to clone your bike. Thanks for taking time to respond. Love your videos and i tell all to watch and subscribe to your channel.
great review, similar enough to top fuel?
I wouldn't think so.... although I haven't ridden the top fuel
Which trail is this? Looks like Corner Canyon, I’m new to SLC and have only hit Rush. Looks dope!
See if you can get your hands on an Alchemy Arktos 29ST for the short travel 29er comparison. Similar geo and travel with dpx2 on the back and Fox 36 upfront. Had an sb130 and this bike dominates both up and down. Smaller company but great suspension and quality.
wow, interesting! Yeah, I first heard of them when Cody started riding for them awhile back. I'll see if I can track one down. Thanks!
I currently ride a v3 5010 (with 2.6mm tires) and am curious if you think the TB would still feel less nimble in the tight stuff due to the larger wheels? You referred to it as playful and poppy, terms which are usually used to describe the 5010.
total distracting question, maybe for the live chat tomorrow, but do you get your lab austere pack tight enough around your waist? I bought one (using your code) but I've lost so much weight biking this summer that I can't seem to get it tight (you're still 50lbs lighter than me!)
interesting.. yeah, I have no trouble getting the pack tight enough as seen in the end of this video... it sort of hangs off my hips like a tool belt... that's what I like so much about it!
It seems like a Tallboy is the perfect everyday bike, but probably can't handle a bike park? Also how does the new Tallboy stack up against the new Santa Cruz 5010? From every review I've ever seen, the 5010 is highly regarded as the most playful mountain bike out there - loves to jump off every feature. It seems like maybe the new Tallboy also has those characteristics, but on 29 inch wheels. If so, that is exactly what I am looking for...
Also, how does this Tallboy compare to the Evil Following MB?
You might be the only person that can answer this. How does TB4 compare to the Giant Trance 29?
for sure going to talk about this tonight.... tb4 feels like the bigger bike
Does it climb close to the ibis and trail 429. Thanks for the great videos
Not quite. Still a good everyday bike I just prefer the Ripley
Ok Jase,question.
Trail 429 or tallboy?
esah, they're really just very different... different geometry is the biggest difference. t429 climbs better but the tb4 descend much better... the t429 feels like a more race bike and loves to carve and stay planted to the ground... just different bikes despite the similarity in suspension travel
How much better is the Ripley in the climbing category than the Tallboy?
Honestly, I thought the tallboy was more on par with the Ripmo....
Recently got a 2019 OGHT for trail riding then this came out, is this better than the OGHT for trails?
Feels like my 5010 but with 29ers
Yeah, it's a better trail bike imho.... sorry to say it. It does everything better than the og hightower in my opinion... better geo and the lower link is a game changer for Santa Cruz. Sorry bro! Find some peace of mind knowing the og ht is still a rad bike though!
@@mtbyumyum this is what i was going to ask i have a OGHT and was thinking about buying the new HT but this tallboy seems to be the better bike all round ?
ive been waiting for this video from you to drop before i buy one :)
Yeah, oddly enough, I thought the new 5010 sort of picked up where the old Bronson left off and this Tallboy is sort of the same way but with 29" wheels... I like this new tb4 better than the old hightower and the new hightower is just a bigger more enduro bike now... tb4 is the best trail bike Santa Cruz makes imho!
I was going to sell my OGHT but instead put an MRP ribbon 160 in the front and a Dpx 2 in the back. Feels like it climbs the same and descends much better now. Awesome bike
Quick question, man: I'm a big guy (6'5", 245 lbs), upper-intermediate rider. I'm super interested in upgrading my bike (I ride an XL 2016 Stumpjumper right now) and Santa Cruz is at the top of my list. Would you recommend the Hightower or Tallboy more?
It really comes down to the speed you ride and the gnar factor of your trails.... for most people I see on the trails, the tb4 would make an excellent trail bike! Good luck!
@@mtbyumyum
I'm a Utahn like you. Love riding PC, Corner Canyon, AF Canyon, Bobsled, and Moab/SG. Don't do a ton of jumps, love fast/flowy trails, drops, and some chunk/roots/techy stuff. Thanks for the advice.
Ver honest review. How does it compare to the Rock Instincts?
Probably descends better actually... Although, I only rode the Instinct with a Fox 34...