Madame Web Is A $150,000,000 Filler Episode
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Madame Web (2024) by Sony and Columbia Pictures is currently getting torched by critics, and will likely become yet another flop in the studio's "Sony Spider-Man Universe". What's going on, and how can they turn the ship around?
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Try Arachne even.
Six bucks for a book written by one of my favorite RUclipsrs? Alright, you’ve got yourself a deal.
love your Marvel Bounding shirt for this vid. you're th GOAT of the SuperHero Bargin Bin ;')
I *really* enjoyed The Spider Queen! I'm a bit of a literary snob, and the story and characters had me really engrossed all the way through. Genuinely made me want more of this story! Looking forward to reconnecting with Shannon in the SuperZeroes universe!
hey maybe dont clickbait with a title like that i had no idea what the picture in the humbnail was im kinda tired. But idk i was waiting for you to stop talking about madam web and the expensive episode. :( i thought we were gonna talk about a actual show, but then u said the line.
I loved when she said "its losing money time" and Sony lost money all over the place.
best moment in cinema ever
I actually cant stand this joke as it's everywhere, but congrats, you, this version of the joke is hilarious.
I hope morbius is in the sequel
@@HEROEGAMEI agree
I absolutely adore this joke and I think that every single comment should just be written in this format
It's not Superhero Fatigue, it's not wanting to deal with shitty writing. Anything can be a good story if you write it well; just that these past few years have been full of lazy writing and even worse storytelling. Madam Web is a prime example of how atrocious the writing has gotten.
And also it’s the sheer amount of them coming out every year which people just can’t keep up with
it's not. superhero is just character. the movies have many genres and styles. it seriously is no different than any characters in any show or movies...the whole "superhero fatigue" thing is laughable. it's just bad writing. no one looks at horror and go "there's ghost fatigue".
@@Azurethewolf168 no its bad writing that allows them to be churned out. It wouldn't matter is so many were coming out if they were GOOD. dont swallow the lie of superhero fatigue.
@@TJ-bu9zk that’s what I’m saying, that it’s because they make it so poorly that so many come out
Superhero Fatigue should be seen as the phenomenon that produces badly written movies that happen to be superhero movies to imitate the success of the genre
I love how Dakota Johnson and Syndey Sweeney apparently actually thought they were going to be in the MCU. Johnson actually ditched her talent agency after seeing the trailer.
Yikes hope this isn’t true
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario nah it is, she was misled by being told it was a "marvel project" so she signed on without looking into it
@@-Teague- marvel is such a dumpster fire that either version would be a death knell to sign up for these days
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario It's apparently what happened, her agent basically tricked her into thinking it was mcu lol
Didn't the same thing happen to Matt Smith?
Astonishing second entry in the MorbiusVerse
Don’t forget Venom 1 and 2!
It's "morbiverse" get it right
@@keanuxu5435i’m not sure Venom is technically the same universe. remember that Eddie was confused by the existence of other superheroes when he entered the MCU, despite these movies supposedly showing us public superhero adventures.
Venom 1 and 2 don't have the morbizz @@keanuxu5435
@@jaybee27Dhe is
"I don't think audiences have superhero fatigue. I think they have bad movie fatigue."
PREACH. I think this every time the studios make a ton of the same movie until they peter out and then say "I guess people don't like westerns/pirate movies/superhero movies anymore."
Guys. People like good movies, and there is no inherent relationship between a movie's quality and its genre.
Yeah, it's just saturation. Even if people only made good movies, if all of them were the same, no on would care. It takes variety and quality for any market to survive.
This. But they don’t care about that, only dollar signs.
Madame Web received negative reviews from critics,[91][92] who panned it as an "embarrassing mess"[93][94][95] and the "worst comic book movie" yet.[96] On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 13% of 182 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 3.3/10.[97]
The review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 62% with an average score of 5.9/10, based on 355 reviews. The website's critical consensus reads, "Funny, refreshingly brief, and elevated by the chemistry of its three leads, The Marvels is easy to enjoy in the moment despite its cluttered story and jumbled tonal shifts."[135]
Highest rated Marvel Razzie and Lowest Rated MCU film=Closest to Daredevil film- Ant-Man and The Wasp :Quantumania- The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 46% with an average rating of 5.5/10, based on 410 reviews. The site's critics consensus reads: "Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania mostly lacks the spark of fun that elevated earlier adventures, but Jonathan Majors' Kang is a thrilling villain poised to alter the course of the MCU."
Closest to Inhumans- Secret Invasion- The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 53%, with an average score of 6.1/10, based on 197 reviews. The site's critic's consensus states: "A well-deserved showcase for Samuel L. Jackson, Secret Invasion steadies itself after a somewhat slow start by taking the MCU in a darker, more mature direction."
The Marvel Razzies-1-Morbius-On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 15% based on 283 reviews, with an average rating of 3.8/10. The website's critics consensus reads, "Cursed with uninspired effects, rote performances, and a borderline nonsensical story, this dreary mess is a vein [sic] attempt to make Morbius happen."[112] It ranks as the 16th worst-reviewed superhero movie on the site.
2-Daredevil film-On review aggregation website Rotten Tomatoes 43% of critics gave the film positive feedback, based on 228 reviews, with an average rating of 5.2/10. The critical consensus reads, "While Ben Affleck fits the role and the story is sporadically interesting, Daredevil is ultimately a dull, brooding origin story that fails to bring anything new to the genre."
3-Howard The Duck-Howard the Duck received mainly negative reviews from critics. On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 13%, based on 83 reviews, with an average rating of 3.8/10, making it the lowest-rated Lucasfilm production. The site's consensus states: "While it has its moments, Howard the Duck suffers from an uneven tone and mediocre performances."
Worst of Marvel-Fant4stic-On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 9% of 263 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 3.6/10. The website's consensus reads: "Dull and downbeat, this Fantastic Four proves a woefully misguided attempt to translate a classic comic series without the humor, joy, or colorful thrills that made it great."[1] As of 2023, it the lowest-rated film on Rotten Tomatoes out of all theatrical films based on Marvel Comics properties.
The WORST of MCU-Inhumans-The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported an 11% approval rating, with an average rating of 3.70/10 based on 47 reviews. The website's consensus states, "Marvel's Inhumans sets a new low standard for the MCU with an unimaginative narrative, dull design work, weak characters, and disengaging soapy melodrama."Reviewing the season, Matt Liparota of Destructoid concluded, "Inhumans is a work with almost nothing of value for anyone. It's not even an interesting train wreck. It's just a boring, lifeless slog easily shooting to the top of the list of the worst things the MCU has produced in its near-decade of existence."
The DC Razzies- Catwoman-On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 8% based on 197 reviews, with an average rating of 3.2/10. The site's critical consensus reads: "Halle Berry is the lone bright spot, but even she can't save this laughable action thriller".
BvS-On review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes the film has an approval rating of 29% based on 439 reviews and an average rating of 5/10. The website's critical consensus reads: "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice smothers a potentially powerful story - and some of America's most iconic superheroes - in a grim whirlwind of effects-driven action."
@@Satellaview1889 no, if they're good people will watch them, people really just don't like bad stories, being original is nice but being good is essential.
@@fredrickmansav6852 Not necessarily. If everything is of the same level of quality, it will attract a lot more people, and more regularly. But if everything is in the same genre, and basically the same story, eventually people won’t turn up, as once saturation is achieved, the customer base dries up. A healthy balance of quality plus originality is the only way to keep people coming back to the theaters long-term.
The issue is when they released Venom all they had to say for marketing was “What’s there to say? ITS VENOM!” But you cant do that for morbius and madame web.
Honestly Venom is better than the rest of Sony universe but its still not great
Well, they can now. It's just not necessarily a positive thing.
yeah, Austin's kinda wrong on calling Venom a minor Spider-Man character lol
I like Venom because I know the movie is not great, but it also knows it’s stupid. It’s a goofy, dumb comedy and we don’t get many of those these days.
@@matthewmspace Wait did people not like Venom? In a era filled with marvel movies I didn't like or cared for Venom was a godsend for me
Calling an entire movie a filler episode is crazy.💀
My first reactions was "solid burn"
*_Making_* an entire movie a filler episode is crazy
Accurate though
Crazy? Accurate!
@@douglaswolfen7820to add to that,making the first few "episode"(movie) of a "series"(multiverse) a filler episode is also insane
I know fans wanted the films to be more "comic accurate," but they didn't mean they should adopt the same business practices that make the comics unreadable to anyone who isn't a nerd with an insane amount of time and patience to wade through sludge just to find a gold nugget.
Reading mainstream comics today is the equivalent of gambling
That's actually a perfect way to describe modern marvel movies
@@thebuddhasmilesit's always been that way
@@mythcat1273Madame Web received negative reviews from critics,[91][92] who panned it as an "embarrassing mess"[93][94][95] and the "worst comic book movie" yet.[96] On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 13% of 182 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 3.3/10.[97]
The review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 62% with an average score of 5.9/10, based on 355 reviews. The website's critical consensus reads, "Funny, refreshingly brief, and elevated by the chemistry of its three leads, The Marvels is easy to enjoy in the moment despite its cluttered story and jumbled tonal shifts."[135]
Highest rated Marvel Razzie and Lowest Rated MCU film=Closest to Daredevil film- Ant-Man and The Wasp :Quantumania- The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 46% with an average rating of 5.5/10, based on 410 reviews. The site's critics consensus reads: "Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania mostly lacks the spark of fun that elevated earlier adventures, but Jonathan Majors' Kang is a thrilling villain poised to alter the course of the MCU."
Closest to Inhumans- Secret Invasion- The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 53%, with an average score of 6.1/10, based on 197 reviews. The site's critic's consensus states: "A well-deserved showcase for Samuel L. Jackson, Secret Invasion steadies itself after a somewhat slow start by taking the MCU in a darker, more mature direction."
The Marvel Razzies-1-Morbius-On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 15% based on 283 reviews, with an average rating of 3.8/10. The website's critics consensus reads, "Cursed with uninspired effects, rote performances, and a borderline nonsensical story, this dreary mess is a vein [sic] attempt to make Morbius happen."[112] It ranks as the 16th worst-reviewed superhero movie on the site.
2-Daredevil film-On review aggregation website Rotten Tomatoes 43% of critics gave the film positive feedback, based on 228 reviews, with an average rating of 5.2/10. The critical consensus reads, "While Ben Affleck fits the role and the story is sporadically interesting, Daredevil is ultimately a dull, brooding origin story that fails to bring anything new to the genre."
3-Howard The Duck-Howard the Duck received mainly negative reviews from critics. On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 13%, based on 83 reviews, with an average rating of 3.8/10, making it the lowest-rated Lucasfilm production. The site's consensus states: "While it has its moments, Howard the Duck suffers from an uneven tone and mediocre performances."
Worst of Marvel-Fant4stic-On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 9% of 263 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 3.6/10. The website's consensus reads: "Dull and downbeat, this Fantastic Four proves a woefully misguided attempt to translate a classic comic series without the humor, joy, or colorful thrills that made it great."[1] As of 2023, it the lowest-rated film on Rotten Tomatoes out of all theatrical films based on Marvel Comics properties.
The WORST of MCU-Inhumans-The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported an 11% approval rating, with an average rating of 3.70/10 based on 47 reviews. The website's consensus states, "Marvel's Inhumans sets a new low standard for the MCU with an unimaginative narrative, dull design work, weak characters, and disengaging soapy melodrama."Reviewing the season, Matt Liparota of Destructoid concluded, "Inhumans is a work with almost nothing of value for anyone. It's not even an interesting train wreck. It's just a boring, lifeless slog easily shooting to the top of the list of the worst things the MCU has produced in its near-decade of existence."
The DC Razzies- Catwoman-On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 8% based on 197 reviews, with an average rating of 3.2/10. The site's critical consensus reads: "Halle Berry is the lone bright spot, but even she can't save this laughable action thriller".
BvS-On review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes the film has an approval rating of 29% based on 439 reviews and an average rating of 5/10. The website's critical consensus reads: "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice smothers a potentially powerful story - and some of America's most iconic superheroes - in a grim whirlwind of effects-driven action."
I started collecting comics a few months ago and I remember having the thought “this is 80s clickbait” while I sifted through boxes in the shop one day
How many 100 million dollar flops have to happen before studio exectutives start to rethink their strategy?
it doesn't matter as long as every 5th to 10th movie gets them a billion or more.....
I don't know. How many times are they allowed to just write them off in their taxes as a loss?
There is a degree of ‘lag’ on this sort of thing, films don’t sprout fully formed out of the ground. It takes at least 2-3 years for a meaningful change to be seen in strategy.
@@LuckyBird551Uh, that’s not how it works lol
Don’t become a tax attorney buddy
Or you get writers to write actual good stuff rather than their agenda
Madame Web feels like one of those scripts for a film that was cancelled because it was so bad, but the script got leaked online and everyone laughs at how bad it would have been. But this movie actually got made and released in theaters somehow.
In a better timeline we get that kevin smith superman film and this never sees the light of day
So the Flash
Sonys contract for Spider-Man states that they have to make a movie every 5 years and 9 months to keep the rights to Spider-Man. That’s probably the only reason they made this movie. If some executive actually thought that people would wanna see a movie about a forgettable side character in the Spider-Man comics, then they are beyond brain dead and should be fired
Rule of storytelling: "is this the most interesting part of your character's life, if not-why aren't you showing that?"
This is why the origin story is the only thing worth telling about super heroes. After that, it just becomes boring.
@@SchmidtelpunktI think you read that backwards-you can have a story about a superhero that isn’t an origin story-but don’t tell us about the origin story in that episode.
That's also why I don't like a lot of biopics. A lot of people haven't figured that out, even the ones who are incredible filmmakers.
It's so weird it's like all of the SSU films are stuck in this 2000's esthetic. Just to drive this point home doesn't Madame Web take place in the early 2000's?
That's been my thought as well. Even the Venom movies, which are the best SSU films by a mile (and to be honest, still not all that great), look and feel like they came out in 2003.
I think one of the writers said they set it on 2003 just to use the song Toxic by Britney spears, there are a lot of comments mentioning how stupid it is they would do that but I don't buy it, they can't be serious. I felt it was about trying to connect this with tom Holland's spiderman since he would have been born around that time (even if they couldn't connect them implicitly)
I heard that in this movie Madame Web and Uncle Ben are firefighters at the WTC on 9/11, and this movie is set a couple years after that.
@@jbearclowater maybe it would work better a little bit if they were intentional throwbacks and lean into it even more but i don't think it is
I don't know anything about the original character, but turning a paralyzed, blind old lady into a 30 yo able-bodied woman is a huge shame. I admit I'm not a movie buff, but the only movie with a disabled hero protagonist I can remember off the top of my head is Daredevil. And I don't recall any old lady heroine protag. I'm sure the actress has done a great job with what she was given, but the og Madame Web sounds and looks a lot cooler.
I am reminded of how Dr. Strange's Ancient One ended up being played by Tilda Swinton somehow. 🤨
Deadpool has cancer, but movie superhero cancer, like Lady Thor.
It could have worked if she got injured at the end of the movie like Professor X. Becoming psychic and learning the consequences of changing things (or letting them happen) causing her to go from wannabe hero to future evil mastermind.
@@VTsiFanficI think Madame Web DOES get blinded at the end of this movie.
@@WG55 The Ancient One was a Tibetan man, and Marvel's Chinese backers didn't like reminding people of Tibet, so Marvel changed it.
A super hero movie with an old lady spiderwoman sounds sick actually
Paralysed old woman who can only phone people and persuade them to do things to avoid a terrible fate? "Hi, you don't know me but you need to get off that train now or a supervillain will kill you." "Why should I believe you?" "I know what you had for dinner but also do what I say and I'll give you my chocolate chip cookie recipe." I would watch that.
It's a plague in Hollywood. We can't have old men or women as leading lads and ladies anymore. Every protagonist needs to be a 30-something just dumb enough to explain the story to but just smart enough to be a competant protagonist. That way the character can appeal to everyone (in theory)
I’ll never forgive Sony for miscasting Sydney Sweeney, we should’ve had her as Black Cat.
even the tits are accurate, truly an missed opportunity
She's an interesting pick for Black Cat. I like it.
The MCU has used actors twice a few times. Sydney can be cast as Black Cat.
That would've been THE choice
I hope nobody cares for spoilers but it pissed me off seeing her as a HS girl LIKE not again bruh💀💀💀💀💀
I feel like the easiest way to include Spider-Man in the "Sony-verse" is....to pick a different Spider-Man??? Miguel O'Hara would fit in perfectly (Just explain he's stuck in the past since that tends to happen to him)
The thing is they don't want to use another spider man than Tom Holland. Because they feel like that would make it clear to people that the SSU is not part of the MCU and never will be.
They want that Tim Netherlands money, so they aren't gonna do that.
@@wave1090 Yeah that is the sad reality of it all
@@wave1090 that's why having a spiderman that is not Peter would work well tho?
WHAT???? Creative plots in my superhero movie? Nuh uh.
@RonaldoVODS no cuz the mcu did really well and sells lots of merch like toys and shirts etc. Sonys movies aren't really doing that so they'd need to bank off marvels back instead (talking strictly movie wise of course, the PlayStation 5 is doing just fine)
watching sony and marvel wrestle over spiderman is like watching two divorced parents fighting over custody of their child
I love how they left a piece of venom behind but jettisoned the Sony's character out. "We hate your character, but we'll taking that venom to use on someone better."
A Final Destination style movie with an elderly paraplegic woman at the center giving ominous and cryptic warnings to people could be fun. You could even make it an anthology movie to introduce characters who don't have the charisma to be the villain of a mainline Spiderman film.
I need more public domain superheros
We I need the villains I do.
We just need more public domain generally. Abolish copyright.
Public Domain Expansion: Steamboat Mickey
You can always create your own. Or make a knock-off.
A Public Domain Spider-Man horror Movie could work and have potential, if done correctly. Have the film be about Peter who has recently became Spider-Man succumbing to the radioactive Spider bite and becomes a Man Spider creature (like in the Comics and 90’s series). And then a while later loses control and goes a massacre, killing anyone nearby, and possibly taking out some of his rouge’s gallery, that would be interesting. But what am I going to expect😒 they’re most likely going to pay a nearby middle aged man to dress in a small Spider-Man halloween costume and then film it with a phone😂
"Bad Movie Fatigue" really needs to replace "Superhero Fatigue" as the go-to phrase of choice. Nobody wants to watch a bad movie, regardless of the genre.
The problem with the "Sony Spider-Verse" is whoever they put in-charge of it clearly doesn't care about the source material. Even without Spider-Man, Sony still has some decent characters that they have access to that could be turned into good films IF they get people to work on them that care about the characters.
Honestly no it isn't, I'd take a mediocre original film to a superhero film any day. I'm tired of the same concepts over and over, even if it's well written, it's still just the same stuff. Give us something different
@@JaceDanielFilms It's not like other types of movies aren't being made, though. Nobody's forcing you to watch superhero movies, are they?
Whenever Spider-Man is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, “where’s Spider-Man?”
All Ned had to do was spend 3 minutes waving his fingers and asking to find Peter Parker and he got two of them. The SSU meanwhile hasn't done it in 5 years.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the SSU not meshing with the MCU. The aesthetic of the SSU is, in my opinion, perfect for Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man universe…but that’s not the current universe.
I mean, considering how they were planning to have TASM2 to kick off their own Spider-Man cinematic universe before that film underperformed and fans and critics started putting Sony under a more critical eye (especially after the infamous Sony hack led to all those emails getting leaked and kinda forced them to make that deal with Disney to have Spider-Man as part of the MCU), this feels like an attempt by Sony at salvaging what plans they had for that cinematic universe.
"no one knows when the main character is gonna come back from vacation." that's exactly what these Sony Spiderman movies feel like lol
I kinda think that the avengers origins through infinity war story arc was so sweeping and then came to a nice neat wrapped up conclusion that not only have other studios been trying to duplicate it but also marvel it self is struggling making lightning strike twice (insert Thor joke here).
Yeah since the story finished, where do you go from there? They could’ve made it so that each individual story is a whole movie and actually made sense with the world rather than basically throwing whatever
The MCU felt a bit like a concert where they played all the hits and then Endgame was the big encore with a signature song, except then for some reason the band decided not to leave the stage and instead hung around kept playing some combination of obscure stuff from the back catalogue and new unfinished songs that most of the crowd doesn't really have any interest in hearing.
@@krombopulos_michaelIIRC they wanted to go singular but then apparently the Disney execs were pleasantly surprised by Jonathan Majors' performance as Kang and decided to make him THE NEXT BIG ENEMY. Boy did they bet on the wrong horse.
not to mention Disney DEI-d the roster and all the characters people actually liked were pushed to the side, replaced, or killed.
@@pXnTilde yeah
In another universe, the SSU would’ve been the Insomniac Spiderman games come to life but all we got was Morbin time.
I actually went to see it yesterday because Doug Walker said it was hilariously bad. My gf had to tell me to shut up because I was laughing too loudly at the dialogue, though she was laughing too. It really is the spiritual successor to Morbius in that way
Movie tickets are way too expensive these days to go see "filler" episodes. A ticket here in Sweden is 16 bucks, ain't no way I'm paying that for anything but a guaranteed good experience.
yes!! here in brazil some places a ticket can go for 40 bucks. ik it is not converted to ur currency but going to the movies to pay above 40 on a single ticket its waaaay too expensive if aint gonna be a good experience 😭
I mean, in my country a ticket costs like 5 bucks and I still won't watch it lol
@@Zooasaurus for this movie is quite expensive 5 bucks
American here, ticket prices go upwards of 13 bucks USD. Comparatively cheap compared to some other countries, but then again, any money spent on this movie is money well wasted.
Being an American, next to everything here is pretty exorbitant, including ticket prices. But then again, any money spent on this movie is money well wasted.
Crazy how Sony could save money only relying on spiderverse movies, yet they choose to burn money with Morbius, Venus and now Madame Web
😅
They are in the same boat as DC with trying to make Marvel styled movies.... DC does great when they make Joker, The Batman, Dark kNight(Trilogy); Dark tone, realism, Character development and Arcs.... Sony has a better chance at creating long lasting memories with audiences by doing the Spiderverse styled art with real life character arcs, motivations and experiences...
I feel like during the scene where they guess the babies name at the shower Cassie was supposed to guess the babies name was Peter but they cut it. It felt like the fiture visions were building towards it in that scene.
I think you’re right, especially because Adam Scott’s character was named Ben!
I'm personally glad Sony is doing its own thing in the corner because atleast it gives me relief knowing the MCU isn't doing as bad as that.
Imagine how many starving children you could feed for 100 million dollars...
Why feed them when you can spend 150 million on a movie to try and entertain them
@@richborn6700 "when you can spend 150 million on a movie to try and entertain them"
That's... Not what's happening here at all
@@richborn6700 ah shitty movies as sustenance?
I largely agree with the sentiment that this is a “bad movie” problem more than it is a “superhero fatigue” problem. I’ve recently been re-watching the Infinity Saga over the last year as part of a review podcast, and many of the mediocre films from that saga at least have solid scripts and excellent production quality-even if there isn’t much emotional impact. What we are seeing in a large chunk of the last several years are corporate decisions trying to replicate lightning in a bottle when the secret is just to make a good freaking movie. Even if commercially it fails after that, you at least have a movie that is guaranteed in some way to be a cult classic, and you can make some of that film’s budget back down the road in distribution and media sales.
I didn't even know this movie existed until now 💀
Same 😂
Oh good it's not just me lol
This is all news to me. Where tf was this?
Honestly at this point I think diehard fans that follow every news & rumor are mostly the ones that knows this movie.
Honestly at this point I think diehard fans that follow every news & rumor are mostly the ones that knows this movie.
The fact that I’ve not even heard of this movie till now says something
I love how 90% of Ezekiel Sims’ lines were blatantly dubbed in post
I wouldn't be surprised if Sony or any one of these studios (Marvel) suddenly used Supaidaman (Japanese Spiderman) as their next major project for their next movie or series.
I want to live long enough to see a 4K remaster of Supaidaman on Criterion.
"An Emissary from hell" is such an awesome line that I would love to hear again.
I'm hoping that he and Leopardon show up in the third Spider-verse movie, somehow.
Toei spiderman 😂
OMG I love this idea...THIS is what Sony would do if they had any creative vision for their Spider-Man cinematic universe.
just do a live action miles morales universe damn, there's a reason why there's TWO mainstream spidermen. let peter parker be disney's, make miles morales be sony's
2:01 there are like thousands of different Spider-People, they could just made their own Spidervengers vs Sinister 6000 and made money but they wanted villains c tier characters, Disney litreally made a team of Spider Men on Tv called Web Warriors, thats all they had to do
10:51 fun fact: There were references to both Andrew Garfield & Tom Holland but all of them were scrapped
Madame Web is the most average bad movie you can watch, so like a 3/10
Nobody cares about any of those other Spider-People.
@@KasumiKenshirouspeak for yourself
These newest superhero movies need good writing. The visuals don't matter anymore, it can even be animation. As long as the story and characters are good
And the Spiderverse movies prove that.
10:26 When you made that Monty Python reference, I remembered what real art was... and how far Marvel is from any of that
I can't remember the last time I watched a movie that felt like a passion project and not a committee-made checklist of money-making tropes.
That seems like a you problem. You didn't watch Oppenheimer? MI7, Poor Things, Saltburn, Flower Moon, just off the top of my head.. It's not unreasonable to expect passion from big-budget movies, it's unreasonable to expect it from ONLY big-budget mass-appeal movies
Iron-Man 1
Thats a you problem
People be only watching mass appeal superhero movies and then say they represent the entire movie industry
there’s been so many recently, if you just watch marvel/dc slop obviously you are gonna be disappointed
I see. It is unreasonable of me to expect movies throwing the equivalent of a small country's GDP at a project to actually care about telling a good story. Silly me.
If Sony is smart, the SSU should just be a different Spider-Man, there are MANY different one's they could use.
Live-action Peter Porker!
did marvel really say one spiderman movie every 69 months!?!
I mean you could see it as something done intentionally since Marvel is getting their characters back for their cinematic universe project,but that's just my theory.
Sony literally just needs to cast a second Spider-Man they can use in their movies. If they really don’t want to use Peter Parker because of Tom Holand, then they need to introduce a live action version of Miles Morales and use him.
Here's what I don't get: if it's all about holding onto IP rights, why not save money by cutting the 150m to 50m and giving it to a promising director with a passion? If it flops, you saved money. If it's a hit, you're better off than where you're at now. Since these movies are essentially write-offs for the time being, why bother with a committee? It doesn't make any sense.
The credit scene hot potato game with venom between studios is genuinely hilarious
I'm gonna be true to myself and say that The Marvels was infinitely better than this even if it's a low bar. At least, the trio had chemistry and was bonding throughout the movie with and without their powers. You don't really see that in this movie and the three girls who are supposed to be Spider-Women in the future were just people for Cassie to babysit until Ezekiel is defeated.
You know you are in serious trouble when the best idea you can come up with for your Spider-Man franchise is to make Spider-Man the villain. But I absolutely agree with the idea that we are suffering from bad movie fatigue instead of superhero fatigue. That is certainly true!
I've felt this way since The Winter Soldier. I dont want a multi hour soap opera episode i want a self-contained story that leaves the possibility of expansion if I like it enough
God, this would've been so much cooler if it was about a blind old lady, not even joking.
The concept of making a film around a side character of a main character without mentioning the main character is kind of insane
"Fine, take Peter Parker, we'll just go hard af on Miles Morales and Gwen Stacy!"
Ngl, if they hired Garfield to play a dark Spider-Man in this universe, it'd immediately make bank
It could and probably would be garbage, but it'd make bank
I study film at University and I talked to my teachers about this.
Not Madame Web specifically, but about why do big companies make movies that are just...bad and unwanted
Well, to put it simply, it will sound very harsh, but from what my teachers said, the main thing that people care at such big studios are mostly money and their image.
Basically, the overall tactic is to plan out a few movies for the year, invest all your best in a few ones, make a few very bad ones just because (to see if maybe those "bad ideas" could work somehow) and then make some movies that are both made with care, but they don't expect much with it.
Now, I asked why don't they care about each movie and make each one perfect.
Well, once again, money.
You can make 10 perfect movies, but no one can guarantee that by 100% following the vision of the creative team will always work.
So, to avoid that, big studios just hope they manage to make a cash cow film to earn huge amounts of money in years to come, have a few movies that blow up for a short period of time and some spare ideas that they made just because.
It is very sad to learn that bad movies may just be bad on purpose and no matter how hard you cry or how affected you feel, or how much are you worried about the actors and the vfx and Overall quality, if the heads of the company didn't care about it, be sure that thing won't shine.
It is painful to understand that in reality, no matter how much you love movie making or movies in general, no matter how many ideas you have and how much time you pour into them, at the end of the day, you may end up most of the time in front of people who tell you that all that matters is money being made and that's it.
It is sad. I was so disappointed to just have to accept that all the "bright" ideas in my mind will never be better than money for certain people (and I'm afraid most).
So yeah, bad movies are sometimes made on purpose or are made by mistake, but if the studio did not care about it's performance and how it will affect their image, then don't even bother complaining to the moon and back about smth.
Edit: Also I believe there is some stealing done through movie making with such high numbers.
His film was doomed from the get go, and Dakota Johnson didnt helped it during the press interviews
What did she say in the press interviews? I'm not finding anything notable after looking it up.
@@InevitableOption-ic2vx If she was misled to believe it was, then I would be disappointed and dull in interviews as well.
i think its truly too bad to watch this unfold v. the incredible creativity, scope, and animation wonder of the animated Sony Spider-Man movies, Spiderverse goes hard
The fact the Oscars nominated Black Panther for Best Picture instead of Into the Spider-verse was ridiculous.
Bloody live action bias.
I feel like so much film criticism has boiled own to obliquely saying "the writing is bad" with zero observations to back it up. I like how you actually unpack the ways in which the movie actually feels poorly executed from various angles.
5 years and 8 months is a very generous time-frame for Sony to be making Spider-Man movies. It will not take that long for the next Spider-Verse movie to come out, why did they feel the need to create Madame Web?
The spider-verse movies might not count towards this, since sometimes live action rights and animation rights are separated
I'm not trying to justify Dakota Johnson's acting abilities, especially in this movie. I will point out that the characterization of Cassy Webb makes waaaayyy more sense when viewed through the lens of "Cassy is a 30 year old Gen Xer from New York in 2003".That generational key point actually makes her....odd personality quirks way more realistic. I remember how my own brother was at around that age, around that time frame and it tracks.
I feel like it would have been good if they didn't hire the morbius writers and if they didn't dub like it feels like on set when they said a line than somebody comes and says "hey dont say that line we changed it again"
Post-Madam Web I have to wonder if the cost of producing these Spider-Flops trumps the benefits Sony feels they get from retaining the Spider-Rights.
There was a rumour that said that Madame Web went through extensive reshoots.
This was also said by Dakota Johnson herself.
Apparently the move would have originally featured Spider-Man(ANDREW GARFIELD) and a few other Spider-Man related Easter eggs.
And would have ended with the birth of Peter Parker but the whole thing was scraped due to timeline issues.
Take that as you will.
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The thing thats weird about the 5 year thing is that they didn't even need to release the film to meet the deadline due to kraven, and then venom 3 will come out before the deadline again. So there was no reason to release this film now when its such a mess. They couldve even waited just a few months after venom 3 just to buy some extra time and used that time to make the film coherent
This movie should've been Charlie's Angels with spider-themed powers.
My theater went crazy when she said “May the Force be with you” best movie experience of my life
2:17 sorry, but we’re a SPUMM household here
You have to feel bad for the director. She spent decades paying her dues in the industry only to be given this train wreck by Sony. Everything about this movie stinks of corporate meddling. I highly doubt the script and all the bad decisions was her fault. But now her reputation is being smeared while Sony gets to renew their license and get a nice tax write off.
I have FANT4STIC flashbacks.
I really hope those suits at the top start learning really fast that the “cheat code” of getting billions of dollars from lazy superhero movies doesn’t work anymore. I love Superheroes, and it sucks to see them get ruined over and over just to setup some cinematic multiverse.
This wouldn't be happening if copyright hadn't been extended so many times and Spiderman were in the public domain already
It's not Superhero fatigue.
And I know this because whenever a *good* superhero movie comes out. It takes over the world for a solid week.
Enjoyed your refreshing take on the movie. Sony trying to keep their Spiderman rights makes total sense as to why they dumped this movie and ran. Also sucks to have a superhero movie with no superheroes and no costumes except for pretty much what you see in the trailers.
Wait! I had no idea morbius had anything to do with spiderman!
The Spiderman debacle reminds me of when Gotham technically wasn't allowed to have the Joker in their series to make sure "audiences weren't confused" with this alternate universe style of Joker, so somehow, the Gotham bumbled their way into technically having TWO Jokers who carried the iconography, the symbolism, the wink-wink-nudge-nudge references -- but weren't allowed to call him the Joker.
This was the most fair review and state of the game update. SSU and even MCU now are tragically out of juice as they stopped letting real creatives have the wheel that care about a properties. Content by committee on over blown budgets will kill the industry for awhile.
These super-hero rights contracts should’ve had a clause where really bad performing movies/shows (or ones that hurt public opinion on the characters) either shorten or void the contract.
“You didn’t treat our girls with any damn respect, and our boy spidey’s been pretty mistreated too…. NO MORE IP’S FOR YOU!”
Who would agree to that?
@@NJGuy1973 that’s a more than fair point, but these IPs are worth millions. If they don’t treat them like they are worth protecting, they will be dragged in dirt forever imo. Still, it’s a not likely to happen.
If you think this was a filler episode just look into the 1994 Fantastic Four movie, at least this got an official release.
It can work - Dune for example, it was worth watching even tho the first movie was basically opening for the story to unfold. It can be done, just not here
It's frustrating that the film's pitch is basically Final Destination Vs Spider-Jason and yet it was fumbled so hard even the trailers sucked.
Being hunted by a Spider Totem who's gone gloves off is a death sentence, even more terrifying if they think you're powerful enough that they have to use stealth since they're now basically Batman with Xenomorph powers. Precognition is one of the few abilities that might save you, and even then it's going to be flooding you with visions of your gruesome death. How do you make that boring!?
My favorite part was how every character loves carrying around Pepsi (or PepsiCo subsidiary) products but I don't think anyone actually drinks or opens the cans on camera
You're onto something good, keep it rolling
The funniest thing is that I didn’t even know the movie was out until seeing this video. I have never once been given an advertisement for this film, the only reason I knew it even existed was because a month ago I saw someone on twitter thirsting over a promo that Dakota Johnson did.
I hope everyone from the Sony universe show up for an avenger-like movie. It would be really really funny.
Why don't they just cast a different person for Spider Man?
I like to think I'm in the know about films and recent media. But I legitimately did not know this move existed until I saw this video. That's how inconsequential it is.
I miss the days when superhero movies were aimed at children and teens, and the grownups didn’t take them seriously. Maybe it’s not superhero fatigue, but pretending-to-take-something-seriously-that-you-secretly-know-to-be-stupid fatigue.
You gotta follow the screen writers and directors, when I see Morbius writers I'm not going
The fact that the whole internet has united to shit on this movie is nothing less than beautiful
This is my favorite Madame Web video I’ve seen so far. Actually good commentary on the whole situation. Nice job.❤️
I love how Austin segways straight into spider queen which would probably make a spider movie than anything Sony is planning
Funnily enough there is a spider-man character called the spider-queen, who i assume sony _could_ use if they wanted to
If the story telling quality was still at The Avengers level, the studios would still be raking in billions. This is entirely a quality issue.
The fact that i didn’t know this movie was coming out says something.
Maybe we’re in the Silver (or Bronze) Age of comic book movies. We had our Golden Age of Dark Knight, Winter Soldier and the Infinity War arc.
Now the writers (and producers, etc) don’t know how to keep the train going - though they know that they have to.
That evil Spider guy reminds me of CW's The Flash, where every season you would have (at least) one new evil Flash and some of them looked really generic like that
They just need to make the hero of this series the Wall. It will fix everything.
Why is the villain just Turkish Spider-Man
The 53% audience score on rotten tomatoes inclines me to believe that a lot of people don't realise you can give a half star. There seemed to be quite a few 5 stars with the comment that the movie was horrible. So, perhaps some people don't notice the stars thing at all?
I feel like out of all the possible reviews of this film, this one is just the most honest. It is a nice change of pace from the other reviews.