Just want to clarify here as well that I obviously hope people that live in countries with weaker economies are able to continue to pay the adjusted price of services and such, but in the case of RUclips memberships, maybe if the gifted/dono color was adjusted to what the monetary value was to the streamer’s local currency, it’d be easier at a glance to understand for everyone. Hey more emotes for you guys in the meantime anyways
@@dertythegrowerThey do crackdowns every 3-4 years and cancel subscriptions. They're currently in the middle of one. From my understanding though you're still able to do it, but it becomes harder every time shrinking the amount of people who can successfully pull it off. Next is forcing location and ip verification similar to Netflix. I'm guessing that'll happen within the next 2 years.
As an argentinian myself, what sucks about these people using VPNs to pay less, is that companies do notice that, and eventually end up taking countermeasures to combat this by actually either: Raising the local prices to amounts that would be more beneficial should these users do it, or B, roll back on the regional pricing altogether. Most notably this happened with steam, when Argentine regional pricing was first introduced, games suddenly became quite affordable due to the admitedly pretty generous conversion rate Valve established by default...AND OF COURSE this quickly made the VPN users exploit the hell out of it. This first made large companies such as Ubisoft or Activision release their games at large customized prices, with a lot of other companies soon following them. And last year Valve decided to just pull the plug on the whole operation and removed regional pricing here as a whole, instead establishing a list of "suggested USD prices as a conversion" that only a few companies actually use, and even when they do it's still several times more expensive than before with the actual argentine currency. Admitedly this is not ENTIRELY the VPN users' fault, when the ARS introduction happened, this was during the early days of our economy ballooning worse than one of Pyro's commissions, so a lot of games that were either very expensive or reasonably priced became "dirt cheap" over time unless the prices got manually updated, which a lot of smaller studios never really did. (using quotation marks for dirt cheap since we were all also becoming poorer and poorer in the country alongside the prices of the games). But ultimately there's no denial it became a significant part of the reason as to why they had to use these countermeasures in the first place.
Steam requires a postal address in said country, and you can't gift games to more expensive regions. They went back on argentine's regional pricing for their selfish reasons, not because of VPNs.
Thanks Pyro for mocking my currency for 22 minutes, calling me poor and calling it a scam. But changing through VPNs are actually scummy they have to find a way to fix that for sure. Edit for some idiots: I'm just making fun of Pyro, I'm not sad that he actually mocked turkish liras lmao that shit is bad as it gets, he's right about the video, it should tell you right away how much you get from a sub in your currency.
@@MysticalAlive ye all You did was scam a corporation (fuck corporations), gave many people a nice membership and STILL gave Pyro not a small amount of money. AND it was funny AND gave him content. His greedy ass is crying because he realized he can commission only 5 inflation artworks instead of 500 million from these gifted memberships
Starting a second channel to upload daily slop is definitely a RUclips exploit. Most RUclipsrs I follow haven’t uploaded on their main channel in over a year at this point 😅
yeah I was thinking he was talking about an argentinian or a turk but georgia's currency isn't that low it's just like 1/3rd of the pound he's still spending a lot of money idk what he's crying about
@@spikemasterb2521he already calculated it because the apology video had the currency in usd equivalent. Yeah its alot for actual residents but its moreso exploits that are the problem.
The problem you guys don’t understand is that I’m paying 115 TL ($3.5) for the RUclips Premium family plan, while you’re paying $23. To put it into perspective, 115 TL ($3.5) can only buy you a coffee in Turkey (or maybe a chicken döner if you're lucky), whereas $23 could cover a day's worth of food in the US (fast food 2-3 times or a meal at a mid-range restaurant + a beer at a bar). Yes, we are poorer, but these deals are still a steal for us! And because some of you wealthy countries are complaining about it, RUclips might change it (btw shout out to the Georgians, they’re really cool people!)
The thing is, people in poor countries don't just have lower purchasing power parity, they typically also have much less disposable income. It may be a better deal because 'it only buys you a cup of coffee', but if people are poor enough that most treat a cup of coffee not made at home as a rare treat, spending that on a twink streamer millionaire is much more significant. Also, YT are not stupid - they've modeled what they need to charge to maximise revenue, they've not been kind to Turks by accident
exactly. it's so weird how british or americans say "oh, they spent only 3 dollars for 15 dollar service " like yeah, buddy, let's then compare our salaries, rent prices and usual price of food. yeap, it's 5 times more expensive for me to pay your 15 dollars.
Ok but here is the problem. Im in the USA, a "rich" country. But those riches are concentrated. We still have TONS of people living in poverty ans barely making it. So if we are doing this on a sliding scale then your country shouldnt be the determiner.
@@paulie-g Thing is youtube doesn't get as much for giving an ad to a turk as an American. I'm pretty sure youtube isn't losing any money giving it to foreigners for cheaper.
The CHAD VPN exploiter getting his own video for a dollar VS the VIRGIN TTS donatiooner having his $20 message ignored because he donated mid game cutscene
As a Turkish dude, I wouldn't even pay ₺57,99 (~1,7 dollars) for RUclips premium because 1- I already use AdBlock, duh 2- I'd never pay for something non-physical that's on the internet for my entertainment - not in this economy.
Didn't you guys elect a radical anarcho capitalist guy that said he will fix things? How are things going now, did he do anything or were his unhinged stunts just for show?
Didn't you guys elect some anarcho capitalist guy that said he will fix things? How are things going now, did he do anything or were his stunts just for show?
To be fair tho, TL is worth almost nothing when converted to stronger currencies. BUT, if you guys knew how expensive everything is in this hell hole rn.
The Turkish gifted sub thing has been an issue on Twitch ever since they started local pricing. Breaks small streamers' hearts when they think they can pay rent, but their 100 subs make them like $2
Maybe I’m missing something, but if they were to “fix” the exploit, would it just require them to make the amount of currency equal to 5 dollars USD? Like, if you’re in a country with inflation, it’s just still going to add to the equivalent of $5 USD, whatever the amount translates to in said country.
@@castielffboi That would be one way to fix it, the other would be to update the prices to something more reasonable for people living in those countries. In my case, the memberships are too cheap, they cost 50$ ARS and that is not even equivalent to a dollar so it is understandable if youtube updates the prices but I think that moving them to an exact currency of 5 Dollars (5000$ Ars) would be quite expensive for the average salary in Argentina even without counting the taxes at the time of payment, because they make the price twice as expensive.
@@sestak62 technically they could keep price the same but disable gifting for countries where they have lower prices in place. They couLd even do a UNO reverse on the scam front by only letting viewers in high-price regions gift but let the gifted memberships be received by viewers in lower priced areas.
@castielffboi except that in some of those countries, the equivalent of 5 usd is a lot of money, like a days wages or whatever. The system works perfectly as it is now, the price is based on the cost of living or purchasing power in each country. The only thing that could be seen as a problem is people using vpns to pretend to be from a poor country when they're not.
Any platform that uses the "regional" prices has this problem. Twitch is no diffrent with thier sub prices, this is why subathons in relaity of things are dead cause people can abuse them in the same way.
19:29 youtubers actually can get a small percentage of what youtube premium users pay if they watch your videos. great for when your videos are demonetized and don’t have ads, you still make a small bit of money from premium subscribers
I exist on 30% of the poverty level in America, have medical costs that consume HALF my $1k/month total income. I only pay for one online service: RUclips Premium. I've been a stagnant RUclipsR for 12yrs, and exist on disability. I have been paying for PREMIUM since it started as RED. Being terminally ill is interesting, especially if you've been clinically de*d twice in 10yrs, and the one thing I hate more than paying for YT is the constant ADs being shoved at me, sucking up all the TIME I don't have, and causing me to DESPISE & NEVER BUY any of the products/services shoved down my throat!
I was subbed to Google Play Music and didn't even KNOW I had YT Premium (or Red) back in the day. I never even used it, as I didn't watch a lot of RUclips and back in the day when I did, there weren't ads like there are now. Fast forward 13 yrs and Google Play Music is now YT Music, which I don't hate but I keep because of all of the music I've collected & it's still a bargain getting both music and videos. My lifestyle has changed so I'm watching/listening to YT way more than other streaming services and I'm thankful I oops'd into YT Premium. The ads are ridiculous from what I've seen. Priorities are priorities and I always find it odd when people want to gatekeep other people's experiences or judge their decisions without knowing the "why". They say time is money, but that's a lie. Time > money. I can always find a way to make money, but we haven't figured out a way to beat time.
Hi! Viewer from Argentina here: I really hate the idea of not paying the appropriate price for memberships, but it is all we can do about it. Buying things online with our economy has become basically impossible since we don't know what the actual amount we will be paying would be, so we just don't do it, but some sites like RUclips let us pay without that fear. Sadly, people are taking advantage of this and buying a LOT of things for way lower prices, so the sites we CAN buy things in are slowly realizing this and making it impossible for us to get these things. This exact thing happened with Steam a couple months ago, I've had my Steam account for 7 years now and since 20/9/23 I haven't been able to buy games because the site doesn't accept my currency anymore. I am very sorry this is happening, this is awful and I hope RUclips does something about this.
RUclips has already been cracking down on this unfortunately, if your billing region doesn't match your frequently accessed region/IP address, you'll likely get an email being deactivated
Holy shit I wasn't expecting that guy to be Georgian, I'm Georgian too and it's not that surprising because everything is literally free here if you come from rich countries
This is not an exploit. Pretty much every single international internet company has different rates for each of the currencies, which yes, for a variety of reasons, some can go significantly below than those of the big boy countries like the US. This is a thing on twitch too.
By definition, this is an exploit. People are making full use and deriving monetary benefits (spending less money than they should for a feature) by exploiting quick currency exchange systems and accessibility attempts made by RUclips for weaker economies and the people living in them. Of course, this type of thing isn't a new thing. Japan was enabling something a bit similar until shit hit the fan; Steam allows developers to price each country individually instead of basing evey price of the dollar because of this. The difference is that Japan allowed people to make those moves and Steam showcases this phenomenon from the start. RUclips certainly did not prepare for this development. An exploit is defined by the people taking advantage of a situation, not the ones using it properly. It doesn't matter that this is a real thing, this is not a glitch or bug, it's an exploit.
this video is so insanely out of touch it's laughable, mr millionare isn't gonna be able to buy his third house oh no i'm truly devastated. how dare those poor people wanna interact with their favourite youtuber
"I got three hundred dollars instead of a thousand dollars, this is literally a scam, youtube fix this how will I survive with only 20 thousand pounds a month"
If u make good worth while content people are gonna sub/donate to u anyway, i see it like piracy, piracy exists because of a supply problem, same thing in this scenario imo, if i see pyro making good contenct i donate to him how much i think his content is worth. Bro said himself he doesnt understand why poor people find methods to not pay anything, guess what, mybe because they are poor in the first place?
this was amazing to watch unfold on stream, and watching a vod from a few days ago afterwards and hearing you thank mystical for 50 gifties was the cherry on top lmao
It fathoms me how he just spit at poor countries and people giving their money even though they may have limited funds. That was a ridiculous spoiled kid video. Man I cringed the entire way.
The easiest solution is to let creators see the amount paid for the subscriptions and also change superchats to use the exchange rate value to determine how long to stay up instead of just the number of the currency. Maybe for poorer countries, they can decrease how much you need to spend to get a full duration superchat.
Oh! This has been a problem for vtubers for years now. Usually scammers/cheapskates would find a way to set their account to donate in Argentinian Pesos, which at the time this started was around only $5 for a $100 Akasupa, or Red Super Chat. As time had gone on, it'd gotten worse as membership gifts were made available, with many scammers gifting 50 gifteds, which ended up being pretty problematic, since memberships are actually VERY important for vtubers, with good amounts of content being put behind them, including things like membership wallpapers, usually at least bi-weekly membership streams, getting to play games with the vtuber, etc. So memberships were artificially made less valuable because of these. (Most vtubers set base membership price as 5 USD/GBP, like yourself.) And as the Argentinian economy has gotten worse and worse, it had gotten to the point where the $100 Akasupa equivalent was something like 70 cents. Thankfully, this problem was helped out a TON with the requirements being made different, and most will actually need to confirm that they have an Argentinian bank account, along with a card that supports said bank. Because of this, it meant that many people whom would have been able to cheap out on paying for stuff on YT now have to pay the intended price. Although things may have changed, and I know that things differ between countries, so maybe things aren't as better off now as I think they are. Either way, good slop!
Hello poor person with CPTSD here, yeah I feel really unsafe when my bank account is under 3k due to me needing a bigger safety net to compensate for my CPTSD symptoms. So you betcha I know how to make all of the prison foods. My favorite cookie recipe is 3 ingredients, I can cook anything in an air fryer, and microwaved eggs aren't as bad as they sound. The drawback is that sometimes we will do ANYTHING to save money, including saving money on things we shouldn't. For me most recently It was shoes. Even though I had 1k in the bank, my job was starting, my boyfriend helps pay for my food ... I still had never in my life owned a new pair of shoes. I had lots of foot pain and I thought it was just because I lived in America and didn't walk enough. Turns out it was my shoes. My dad came to visit me and saw I had holes in my shoes and they were causing me blisters on my heel. It was around my birthday so he spent ~€100 for new shoes for me. It's been over a month and I'm still finding it hard not to cry writing about it because it was such a big thing for me.
I don't know what all is wrong with me, but as long as people are nice to me and I get enough food/water I would gladly be studied. Free psych evaluation basically hahaha
for someone who has never considered the international pricing a service that is basically... access to videos, you're very quick to say it's ok to get a "discount" they're not doing this out of kindness, this is elastic pricing, they just create a curve and find the largest magnitude that says "this price equals biggest revenue"
3:55 So at the end of the day you got money and chat got memberships but it was only a few dollars at most. I'm so sorry this experience must have been incredibly traumatizing, thanking someone for giving you money for nothing in return but it turned out they were only giving you money for nothing in return. Absolutely horrid.
Summary: Entitled first world streamer is so mad he will only be able to afford 2 commissions instead of 6 this month he had to make a 22:20 video making fun of people that live in countries with messed up currencies, not realizing how much those donations can buy them in their countries and at the end of the day those "scamming" are still making a donation to a channel that only does slop, or to sum it up even more, Pyro being an eternal L as always.
Nah. The problem is the audience from rich countries abusing currencies outside their own as an exploit. At the end of the day, it's going to screw over the actual audience from these countries as counter-measures come into play. Best case scenario is probably still going to have impact: something along the lines of certain regions unable to gift memberships with restrictions on who can use certain currencies.
@@rexx5031 Brother these are donations and memberships to just some content here and there, with Steam games even If I hate the consequences for the people in those countries I can see the case since it affects indies that spend a ton on their game, with this nope, they are videos of which they already have the ad revenue, the superchats and memberships are donations. Only case I can see a little is premimum but tbh that is overpriced af for what it does. Pyro in this video only portrayed his greedy ass, specially since people like Ludwig or Charlie reduced it to the minimum and do way more membership content compared to Pyro.
@@insanianevi8089 Consider RUclips streamers. This is not Twitch where you are getting billions of ads every 15 minutes even when streamers spam them. Multiple streamers I watch say a lot of their cash flow comes from memberships compared to donations and ads. This is a known exploit for a while for those that watch RUclips streamers and I completely understand RUclips making a change to stop it. Just like those indie developers on steam, there are people trying to make money for their content.
The thing with currencies is it is not a reflection on how goog the economy is(in some cases). Nations like china(not anymore) often make their currency purposefully weaker to incentivize export of goods. It also brings in foreign investors, ofc it can have its own problem like debt repayment and inflation. But if a nation wants to push for more exports the best way is to devalue a currency.
I never used a VPN btw. But honestly aren't the youtubers the ones shilling VPN services the most? I see a NordVPN Ads more frequently than actual quality content
RUclips has been patching these recently, restricting to local payment methods and cancelling memberships. I never bothered with these since blocking RUclips ads on my computer, phone and TV is extremely easy.
Just want to clarify here as well that I obviously hope people that live in countries with weaker economies are able to continue to pay the adjusted price of services and such, but in the case of RUclips memberships, maybe if the gifted/dono color was adjusted to what the monetary value was to the streamer’s local currency, it’d be easier at a glance to understand for everyone. Hey more emotes for you guys in the meantime anyways
ty pyro as a poor i enjoy the new emotes
3 likes in 1 minute, bro fell off
Pyro had to drop the safety paragraph so he didn't get cooked by people in other countries, unfortunate
You should play tribal hunter
What are you blabbing about, blud? Give me a kiss and get back to making my piggy slop, british boi.
He spent half the argentian economy on him and pyro is still not grateful 💔
@Joseph44114 ive seen this bot posting in multiple comment sections, what is the purpose of it?? like
@Joseph44114 I don't advocate for self-harming...
but...
I like how people have been doing this for over a year and Pyro jusr figured it out lol
@@OMGKangelx it has a link to cp, i dont really know the point but it's disgusting
next stream is maid stream with feet cam thanks to mystical
youtube exploited me into clicking this video
Real
@Joseph44114 Google/RUclips need to actually do something about bots man shits just annoying
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@Joseph44114 I know there’s a special place for you the deepest pit of hell.
realest comment Ive seen
this is literally 3 cents
Gold yellow for 3 huh, kinda wicked
Dale amigo, no nos regalemos
😮
CHE 🗣️
bro gave 3 years of salary of the average argentinian
RUclipsrs: get thousands of dollars to shill VPNs
Also RUclipsrs when people actually use them: 😮
Right?
this is very old and youtube knows.... for sure. If you know who ebeggar dsp is, he gets baites by it often
@@dertythegrowerThey do crackdowns every 3-4 years and cancel subscriptions. They're currently in the middle of one. From my understanding though you're still able to do it, but it becomes harder every time shrinking the amount of people who can successfully pull it off. Next is forcing location and ip verification similar to Netflix. I'm guessing that'll happen within the next 2 years.
Using it for this is very different though. This is cheating the system in a bad way.
@@idkwhattoputheretbhbuthere tbh youtube deserve it
As an argentinian myself, what sucks about these people using VPNs to pay less, is that companies do notice that, and eventually end up taking countermeasures to combat this by actually either: Raising the local prices to amounts that would be more beneficial should these users do it, or B, roll back on the regional pricing altogether.
Most notably this happened with steam, when Argentine regional pricing was first introduced, games suddenly became quite affordable due to the admitedly pretty generous conversion rate Valve established by default...AND OF COURSE this quickly made the VPN users exploit the hell out of it. This first made large companies such as Ubisoft or Activision release their games at large customized prices, with a lot of other companies soon following them. And last year Valve decided to just pull the plug on the whole operation and removed regional pricing here as a whole, instead establishing a list of "suggested USD prices as a conversion" that only a few companies actually use, and even when they do it's still several times more expensive than before with the actual argentine currency.
Admitedly this is not ENTIRELY the VPN users' fault, when the ARS introduction happened, this was during the early days of our economy ballooning worse than one of Pyro's commissions, so a lot of games that were either very expensive or reasonably priced became "dirt cheap" over time unless the prices got manually updated, which a lot of smaller studios never really did. (using quotation marks for dirt cheap since we were all also becoming poorer and poorer in the country alongside the prices of the games). But ultimately there's no denial it became a significant part of the reason as to why they had to use these countermeasures in the first place.
Bro le pusistetoda una pagina de texto que nisiquiera va a leer xD
@@GeZz. desahogarse nunca hace mal, tuve que comprar Dragons Dogma 2 a 70 dolares y jamas se lo voy a perdonar a esos forros.
@@kaidrescher6321 Te entiendo amigo
@@kaidrescher6321Tampoco me perdonaria si compro esa cagada a 70 dolares 😭
Steam requires a postal address in said country, and you can't gift games to more expensive regions. They went back on argentine's regional pricing for their selfish reasons, not because of VPNs.
You exploited me by making me wait 10 years into the main point of the video
@Joseph44114write a poem about cashews
Spam replies m8 wth
@@ChiefToad619he's literally promoting cp please report him
10 years in the joint
Yeah, I jumped ahead. He rambled way to much before getting to the point.
The gooning situation is diabolical
Shut the heck up bot
They... they found the goons! Our friends were...goons...all along...
MY ENEMIES ARE ALL GOONS!
NEVER GOON
Keep talking about gooning and I'll unleash an ungodly amount of sploink.
Thanks Pyro for mocking my currency for 22 minutes, calling me poor and calling it a scam. But changing through VPNs are actually scummy they have to find a way to fix that for sure.
Edit for some idiots: I'm just making fun of Pyro, I'm not sad that he actually mocked turkish liras lmao that shit is bad as it gets, he's right about the video, it should tell you right away how much you get from a sub in your currency.
Pat pat, it'll be okay lil buddy, just wait for the UK to sink into the sea
I did this in Fortnite now I’m vbuck rich
You can't really fix it. Only solution is to do what Steam did, just convert back to USD
Never used a VPN though
Yo its the dying light guy!
Imagine making a 22 minutes video because you are embarrassed you got tricked into thinking you were gifted money, whilst also being a billionaire
take a shot every time he says mystical and you'll be dead by 8 minutes
What if instead of shots, it was backshots?
@@MysticalAlivemystical backshots? 😅
'dead by 8 minutes' uy, dont threaten me with a good time
@@MysticalAlivenew gen
Mystical.. pookie, my honey, you're the robin hood that these people needed.
Thanks Nelly. I love how Pyro didn't even mention me spending 500 dollars on him.. What a crooked streamer..
@@MysticalAlivelmaooooo
@@MysticalAlive ye all You did was scam a corporation (fuck corporations), gave many people a nice membership and STILL gave Pyro not a small amount of money. AND it was funny AND gave him content. His greedy ass is crying because he realized he can commission only 5 inflation artworks instead of 500 million from these gifted memberships
We need more of Mysticals content. Shits been brilliant
@@MysticalAlivenot you forgetting me pookie lol
Starting a second channel to upload daily slop is definitely a RUclips exploit. Most RUclipsrs I follow haven’t uploaded on their main channel in over a year at this point 😅
@@Evanz111 cough cough Jschlatt cough
@Joseph44114 I reported you to the police btw.
@Joseph44114 I hope you get banned, that is absolutely disgusting.
@Joseph44114 joe be mad rage baiting 🙄🙄
cough cough, yahiamice
0:36 bro does not unpause 💀
Dude is slowly finding out why Netflix got so butt-hurt with password sharing
exactly ha.. techies knew about these for years, even before 2020
The Pyro Scam Situation is Insane
This Mystical guy.. what a legend...
Is this the real mystical 👀
@@Josiah.vs.nature Abso-fucking-lutely
Bro you were the best thing that happened to pyros streams in a while. We need more of you. MYSTICAL ON PODCAST!! @PYROLIVE
gaumarjos dzmao
@@prodm0lly shenc gagimarjos dzmisgul
When you only get 200 dollars instead of 1000 dollars
Holly scam
500$ actually.
@@MysticalAlive$500 actually
yeah I was thinking he was talking about an argentinian or a turk but georgia's currency isn't that low it's just like 1/3rd of the pound he's still spending a lot of money idk what he's crying about
@@spikemasterb2521he already calculated it because the apology video had the currency in usd equivalent. Yeah its alot for actual residents but its moreso exploits that are the problem.
@@spikemasterb2521 Yeah despite terrible economy, Lari isn’t too bad actually
The problem you guys don’t understand is that I’m paying 115 TL ($3.5) for the RUclips Premium family plan, while you’re paying $23. To put it into perspective, 115 TL ($3.5) can only buy you a coffee in Turkey (or maybe a chicken döner if you're lucky), whereas $23 could cover a day's worth of food in the US (fast food 2-3 times or a meal at a mid-range restaurant + a beer at a bar). Yes, we are poorer, but these deals are still a steal for us! And because some of you wealthy countries are complaining about it, RUclips might change it (btw shout out to the Georgians, they’re really cool people!)
Love from Gürcistan to Türkiye
The thing is, people in poor countries don't just have lower purchasing power parity, they typically also have much less disposable income. It may be a better deal because 'it only buys you a cup of coffee', but if people are poor enough that most treat a cup of coffee not made at home as a rare treat, spending that on a twink streamer millionaire is much more significant. Also, YT are not stupid - they've modeled what they need to charge to maximise revenue, they've not been kind to Turks by accident
exactly. it's so weird how british or americans say "oh, they spent only 3 dollars for 15 dollar service " like yeah, buddy, let's then compare our salaries, rent prices and usual price of food. yeap, it's 5 times more expensive for me to pay your 15 dollars.
Ok but here is the problem. Im in the USA, a "rich" country. But those riches are concentrated. We still have TONS of people living in poverty ans barely making it. So if we are doing this on a sliding scale then your country shouldnt be the determiner.
@@paulie-g Thing is youtube doesn't get as much for giving an ad to a turk as an American. I'm pretty sure youtube isn't losing any money giving it to foreigners for cheaper.
brother is trying to do something nice, but gets called a scammer anyway, lol
Thank you mystical ☺️☺️☺️
I love mystical
Mystical has singlehandedly given me like 4 months of Pyro membership
W Mystical brokie no longer 👈
@@Teriiiyakiii Enjoy.
mystical goat
Pyro hates poor countries
colonizer kicked in
basd
3:55 Not a single bit of shame
fr
@Joseph44114 reported and each channel promoted reported
he loves money 🤑 money money money 🤑
The CHAD VPN exploiter getting his own video for a dollar VS the VIRGIN TTS donatiooner having his $20 message ignored because he donated mid game cutscene
Skip to 8:18 you'll miss nothing
No it's 22:20 ofc
Fucking hero 👏
Can't bother watching rn, it's probably about purchasing memberships with a VPN connected to Argentina or something like that.
It is!
@@CameleonClyde that guy watched but this has been used by many for months, and yes, the people who got trolled reported it that long ago...
As a Turkish dude, I wouldn't even pay ₺57,99 (~1,7 dollars) for RUclips premium because
1- I already use AdBlock, duh
2- I'd never pay for something non-physical that's on the internet for my entertainment - not in this economy.
Sorry bro im using your try lira for youtube premium
Based
the only non-physical things I buy are games, and those too only every once in a while and when they're on sale
It's good for RUclips music
And you support creators when using RUclips premium. They still get ad money.
13:03 ARGENTINA MENTION ‼️‼️‼️ WHAT THE HELL IS A STABLE ECONOMY 🗣🗣🗣
Campeones del mundo (en inflación) 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🧉🧉🧉🧉🧉💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
Didn't you guys elect a radical anarcho capitalist guy that said he will fix things? How are things going now, did he do anything or were his unhinged stunts just for show?
Didn't you guys elect some anarcho capitalist guy that said he will fix things? How are things going now, did he do anything or were his stunts just for show?
@@deimon.5124 LA ARGENTINIDAAAAAD... AL PALOOOOOO 🎵🎵🎵
To be fair tho, TL is worth almost nothing when converted to stronger currencies.
BUT, if you guys knew how expensive everything is in this hell hole rn.
The Turkish gifted sub thing has been an issue on Twitch ever since they started local pricing. Breaks small streamers' hearts when they think they can pay rent, but their 100 subs make them like $2
video starts at 12:00
@@MattVRC1151 I love watching 10 hour video essays that discuss why killing toddlers is bad
@@MattVRC1151watching useless informations isnt growing your attention span.
@@MattVRC1151useless information for a useless human
@@MattVRC1151 this is tiktok?
They are going to fix this and now in the third world we are not going to be able to pay memberships. The same thing happened with Steam Argentina😭
Maybe I’m missing something, but if they were to “fix” the exploit, would it just require them to make the amount of currency equal to 5 dollars USD? Like, if you’re in a country with inflation, it’s just still going to add to the equivalent of $5 USD, whatever the amount translates to in said country.
@@castielffboi That would be one way to fix it, the other would be to update the prices to something more reasonable for people living in those countries. In my case, the memberships are too cheap, they cost 50$ ARS and that is not even equivalent to a dollar so it is understandable if youtube updates the prices but I think that moving them to an exact currency of 5 Dollars (5000$ Ars) would be quite expensive for the average salary in Argentina even without counting the taxes at the time of payment, because they make the price twice as expensive.
@@sestak62 technically they could keep price the same but disable gifting for countries where they have lower prices in place. They couLd even do a UNO reverse on the scam front by only letting viewers in high-price regions gift but let the gifted memberships be received by viewers in lower priced areas.
@@castielffboi5 dollars equal to like 6000 argentinian vbucks which is expensive
@castielffboi except that in some of those countries, the equivalent of 5 usd is a lot of money, like a days wages or whatever. The system works perfectly as it is now, the price is based on the cost of living or purchasing power in each country.
The only thing that could be seen as a problem is people using vpns to pretend to be from a poor country when they're not.
Video gets interesting at 10:49 and is boring again at 11:14
@Joseph44114omg are you Mr beast I’m such a big fan
@@kotaperry723omg its mr bitch !!! I love that guy!!!!!
Thanks!
Lmao
Any platform that uses the "regional" prices has this problem. Twitch is no diffrent with thier sub prices, this is why subathons in relaity of things are dead cause people can abuse them in the same way.
19:29 youtubers actually can get a small percentage of what youtube premium users pay if they watch your videos. great for when your videos are demonetized and don’t have ads, you still make a small bit of money from premium subscribers
0:44 we the best music
Another one
Maybach music
meanwhile, me on my phone with youtube revanced...
Based
@Joseph44114 thats so hot
Im going to put YOU down mister.@Joseph44114
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mr pyro cynicall.... you like inflation ha! 😂😂😂
@Joseph44114 ok what
@@heguat It's just a bot, report it and don't interact with it
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I exist on 30% of the poverty level in America, have medical costs that consume HALF my $1k/month total income. I only pay for one online service: RUclips Premium.
I've been a stagnant RUclipsR for 12yrs, and exist on disability. I have been paying for PREMIUM since it started as RED. Being terminally ill is interesting, especially if you've been clinically de*d twice in 10yrs, and the one thing I hate more than paying for YT is the constant ADs being shoved at me, sucking up all the TIME I don't have, and causing me to DESPISE & NEVER BUY any of the products/services shoved down my throat!
please get ublock origin and the youtube revanced app and save your money
I was subbed to Google Play Music and didn't even KNOW I had YT Premium (or Red) back in the day. I never even used it, as I didn't watch a lot of RUclips and back in the day when I did, there weren't ads like there are now. Fast forward 13 yrs and Google Play Music is now YT Music, which I don't hate but I keep because of all of the music I've collected & it's still a bargain getting both music and videos. My lifestyle has changed so I'm watching/listening to YT way more than other streaming services and I'm thankful I oops'd into YT Premium. The ads are ridiculous from what I've seen.
Priorities are priorities and I always find it odd when people want to gatekeep other people's experiences or judge their decisions without knowing the "why". They say time is money, but that's a lie. Time > money. I can always find a way to make money, but we haven't figured out a way to beat time.
ReVanced RUclips......free and better (skips in video ads)
Hi! Viewer from Argentina here:
I really hate the idea of not paying the appropriate price for memberships, but it is all we can do about it. Buying things online with our economy has become basically impossible since we don't know what the actual amount we will be paying would be, so we just don't do it, but some sites like RUclips let us pay without that fear.
Sadly, people are taking advantage of this and buying a LOT of things for way lower prices, so the sites we CAN buy things in are slowly realizing this and making it impossible for us to get these things. This exact thing happened with Steam a couple months ago, I've had my Steam account for 7 years now and since 20/9/23 I haven't been able to buy games because the site doesn't accept my currency anymore.
I am very sorry this is happening, this is awful and I hope RUclips does something about this.
Imagine buying premium instead of going to “information” and skipping ads by hitting “I don’t like this ad” and “return to video”
Still takes time
Turkish guy here! BASED tier sub is 15 lira, less then 50p, you guys do the math
Damn, in Hungary it's 999 forint, so 2.17 pounds
Good job on winning that silver medal my man, only talented pyro viewer
şimdi bunlar vpn falan kullanır, RUclips anlar ve bize fiyatları arttırır :(
@@د-ر amk ismin arapça diye yanıt yazacam diye cinnet geçirdim sağdan yazdırıyor
@@istvanlorinczi2817 ooof
Video ends at 22:20
thank you
When does it start
@@clanka5509 22:20
@@clanka5509 0:00
@@clanka5509 It starts at 1:00
Watching a PyroLIVE video is like watching modern day one piece, 60 flashbacks and reaction shots, and 3 minutes of actual news.
RUclips has already been cracking down on this unfortunately, if your billing region doesn't match your frequently accessed region/IP address, you'll likely get an email being deactivated
Holy shit I wasn't expecting that guy to be Georgian, I'm Georgian too and it's not that surprising because everything is literally free here if you come from rich countries
100% dzmao
@@MysticalAlive მასწავლო იქნებ იგივე lol, როგორც ჩანს მარტო მე არ ვყოფილვარ pyro-ს მნახველი საქართველოში
some bot stole ur comment :(
@@MysticalAlive მაგრად გამიხარდა რომ ქართველზე ილაპარაკა, ყოჩაღ მაგრად დატროლე (რატომღაც წინა კომენტარი იუთუბმა წაშალა)
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This is not an exploit. Pretty much every single international internet company has different rates for each of the currencies, which yes, for a variety of reasons, some can go significantly below than those of the big boy countries like the US. This is a thing on twitch too.
And can be a thing in Steam as well.
Its a scam when people who live in richer countries use a vpn so they can use the weaker currency to spam donos. So yes it is a scam
By definition, this is an exploit. People are making full use and deriving monetary benefits (spending less money than they should for a feature) by exploiting quick currency exchange systems and accessibility attempts made by RUclips for weaker economies and the people living in them.
Of course, this type of thing isn't a new thing. Japan was enabling something a bit similar until shit hit the fan; Steam allows developers to price each country individually instead of basing evey price of the dollar because of this. The difference is that Japan allowed people to make those moves and Steam showcases this phenomenon from the start. RUclips certainly did not prepare for this development.
An exploit is defined by the people taking advantage of a situation, not the ones using it properly. It doesn't matter that this is a real thing, this is not a glitch or bug, it's an exploit.
@@afeathereddinosaurI wonder if this stuff cause inflation in the currency economy
@@Amber_Valentinedon’t say inflation, pyro will get excited
10:25 ofc he likes abit of inflation
this video is so insanely out of touch it's laughable, mr millionare isn't gonna be able to buy his third house oh no i'm truly devastated. how dare those poor people wanna interact with their favourite youtuber
"I got three hundred dollars instead of a thousand dollars, this is literally a scam, youtube fix this how will I survive with only 20 thousand pounds a month"
Yeah. This video honestly comes off so entitled. Whether or not he's joking, repeatedly calling people "poors" is not a good look.
i'd happily be scammed this way
how is this scamming when pyrocynical doesn't lose anything lmao
beacuse if this guy gifts subs to his whole viewer base then no one would ever buy a sub for good money because they got one for free
He doesn’t lose anything, but it prevents him from gaining subs
If u make good worth while content people are gonna sub/donate to u anyway, i see it like piracy, piracy exists because of a supply problem, same thing in this scenario imo, if i see pyro making good contenct i donate to him how much i think his content is worth. Bro said himself he doesnt understand why poor people find methods to not pay anything, guess what, mybe because they are poor in the first place?
this was amazing to watch unfold on stream, and watching a vod from a few days ago afterwards and hearing you thank mystical for 50 gifties was the cherry on top lmao
Absolutely! I had a lotta fun as well
@@MysticalAlive the man, the myth, the legend
@@orthomint Describing yourself I see 👀
@@MysticalAlive You are my sunshine. My only sunshine. You make me happy when skyes are gray 🌞🌞🌞
@@landboat1 I'm feeling that LeBron James energy rn... ty fam
So this whole video was a firstie complaining about people spending real life money but from their country?
Yes
Yes, pyro is English, that is how they act
It fathoms me how he just spit at poor countries and people giving their money even though they may have limited funds. That was a ridiculous spoiled kid video. Man I cringed the entire way.
Honestly idk why he's ungrateful, those 50 gifted might be worth almost nothing in his country, but to the person gifting it's still alot of money
Why would I pay "virtually nothing" to get YT Premium when I can pay literally nothing and just install a browser extension?
browser extensions only apply to browsers, a lot of people use youtube on their tv's and consoles
Or even the App on their Phone/Tablet
@@saleerix You can use an app on Android and console owners don't mind paying for stupid shit.
0:14 Hey that's me! i am now solified in a pyro slop video 💀
Peak Pyro Moment 22:20
I live for these parts of his videos
The worst exploit on RUclips is pyro still having a channel
They need to patch this one
Pyro explaining how exchange rates are different to an audience of two year olds is unintentionally hilarious
The easiest solution is to let creators see the amount paid for the subscriptions and also change superchats to use the exchange rate value to determine how long to stay up instead of just the number of the currency. Maybe for poorer countries, they can decrease how much you need to spend to get a full duration superchat.
ok
Thanks for the free membership
W scam
Oh! This has been a problem for vtubers for years now. Usually scammers/cheapskates would find a way to set their account to donate in Argentinian Pesos, which at the time this started was around only $5 for a $100 Akasupa, or Red Super Chat. As time had gone on, it'd gotten worse as membership gifts were made available, with many scammers gifting 50 gifteds, which ended up being pretty problematic, since memberships are actually VERY important for vtubers, with good amounts of content being put behind them, including things like membership wallpapers, usually at least bi-weekly membership streams, getting to play games with the vtuber, etc. So memberships were artificially made less valuable because of these. (Most vtubers set base membership price as 5 USD/GBP, like yourself.) And as the Argentinian economy has gotten worse and worse, it had gotten to the point where the $100 Akasupa equivalent was something like 70 cents. Thankfully, this problem was helped out a TON with the requirements being made different, and most will actually need to confirm that they have an Argentinian bank account, along with a card that supports said bank. Because of this, it meant that many people whom would have been able to cheap out on paying for stuff on YT now have to pay the intended price. Although things may have changed, and I know that things differ between countries, so maybe things aren't as better off now as I think they are. Either way, good slop!
cry harder vtuber🤢
Not my thirst bait anime jpegs 😭
@JayceCH. no, those actually exist. not all vtubers are just virtual pornstars, you know.
Jailbird spotted
As far as scams go, ones where you still make money from seem pretty nice to me
This video is basically ''This guy made me think I got thousands of dollars but in reality it was a few cents'' womp womp what a disaster
Pyro being that kid who reminds the teacher to give out homework
witnessing this firsthand was such an emotional rollercoaster
Same here budster
Same here and I was one of the people that actually got one of the gifted subs 😭
a subscription being only 50 argentine pesos is wild , that's the cost of a single piece of candy
Hello poor person with CPTSD here, yeah I feel really unsafe when my bank account is under 3k due to me needing a bigger safety net to compensate for my CPTSD symptoms.
So you betcha I know how to make all of the prison foods. My favorite cookie recipe is 3 ingredients, I can cook anything in an air fryer, and microwaved eggs aren't as bad as they sound.
The drawback is that sometimes we will do ANYTHING to save money, including saving money on things we shouldn't. For me most recently It was shoes.
Even though I had 1k in the bank, my job was starting, my boyfriend helps pay for my food ... I still had never in my life owned a new pair of shoes.
I had lots of foot pain and I thought it was just because I lived in America and didn't walk enough. Turns out it was my shoes. My dad came to visit me and saw I had holes in my shoes and they were causing me blisters on my heel. It was around my birthday so he spent ~€100 for new shoes for me.
It's been over a month and I'm still finding it hard not to cry writing about it because it was such a big thing for me.
I don't know what all is wrong with me, but as long as people are nice to me and I get enough food/water I would gladly be studied.
Free psych evaluation basically hahaha
btw as a premium member, it also skips when it detects you're shilling a product
10:47 clicked off, no family guy
The mystical situation is insane
situation is insane The mystical
@Joseph44114they should ban everyone with a Mr beast profile picture and it would make RUclips 10x better
The youtube premium situation is insane
Pyro really complaining cuz we added inflation to his memberships
Oh the irony
for someone who has never considered the international pricing a service that is basically... access to videos, you're very quick to say it's ok to get a "discount"
they're not doing this out of kindness, this is elastic pricing, they just create a curve and find the largest magnitude that says "this price equals biggest revenue"
Pyro money laundering breaking bad
saul goodman tv
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@@anabang1251better call slop
video starts 1:00
Thanks man
Damn pyro fell off 3k views even from down here in El salvador 🇸🇻
Thankies daddy
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@Joseph44114Mr beast is a fraud
LEGO movie ah haircut
3:55 So at the end of the day you got money and chat got memberships but it was only a few dollars at most. I'm so sorry this experience must have been incredibly traumatizing, thanking someone for giving you money for nothing in return but it turned out they were only giving you money for nothing in return. Absolutely horrid.
The Mystical situation is insane
The edging situation is skibidi (I am cooked, baked, boiled, fried, deep fried, pickled, marinated, bbq-d. Its never been so over )
What about the piss situation
@@artimus4198 truly dumbfounding i may exclaim
Generational W for the Mystical
Absolutely based.
JUSTICE FOR MYSTICAL
Get it twisted, Pyro hates poor people.
Rich man cries because he didn't get enough money
14:36 slavery
Saw your moment right when the time came up. Very accurate.
What a shit take from him
@@martinneuen4992its a joke
14:35
“I need to capture poor people with a net, keep them in a glass box and study them.”
The Pyrocynical Situation Is Insane
WE NEED MYSTICAL ON THE PODCAST ASAP!!!
I would be absolutely down. If Pyro actually admits me paying him 500$
@@MysticalAlivebased qartveli
this dopamine must be crazy
Summary: Entitled first world streamer is so mad he will only be able to afford 2 commissions instead of 6 this month he had to make a 22:20 video making fun of people that live in countries with messed up currencies, not realizing how much those donations can buy them in their countries and at the end of the day those "scamming" are still making a donation to a channel that only does slop, or to sum it up even more, Pyro being an eternal L as always.
Nah. The problem is the audience from rich countries abusing currencies outside their own as an exploit. At the end of the day, it's going to screw over the actual audience from these countries as counter-measures come into play. Best case scenario is probably still going to have impact: something along the lines of certain regions unable to gift memberships with restrictions on who can use certain currencies.
@@rexx5031 Brother these are donations and memberships to just some content here and there, with Steam games even If I hate the consequences for the people in those countries I can see the case since it affects indies that spend a ton on their game, with this nope, they are videos of which they already have the ad revenue, the superchats and memberships are donations. Only case I can see a little is premimum but tbh that is overpriced af for what it does. Pyro in this video only portrayed his greedy ass, specially since people like Ludwig or Charlie reduced it to the minimum and do way more membership content compared to Pyro.
@@insanianevi8089 Consider RUclips streamers. This is not Twitch where you are getting billions of ads every 15 minutes even when streamers spam them. Multiple streamers I watch say a lot of their cash flow comes from memberships compared to donations and ads. This is a known exploit for a while for those that watch RUclips streamers and I completely understand RUclips making a change to stop it. Just like those indie developers on steam, there are people trying to make money for their content.
millionaire furry youtuber complains about not getting money
The thing with currencies is it is not a reflection on how goog the economy is(in some cases). Nations like china(not anymore) often make their currency purposefully weaker to incentivize export of goods.
It also brings in foreign investors, ofc it can have its own problem like debt repayment and inflation. But if a nation wants to push for more exports the best way is to devalue a currency.
RUclipsrs deserve way less money anyway. They’d do the job for 20k a year instead of getting a real job.
Pay them less.
Most of your fav youtubers would never try to become youtubers if that was the case in the first place, so it's a dumb take.
It's quite disheartening that there are individuals exploiting the system this way. Hope RUclips takes necessary actions soon.
I never used a VPN btw. But honestly aren't the youtubers the ones shilling VPN services the most? I see a NordVPN Ads more frequently than actual quality content
Argentinian here. That sub price is Hugely outdated. We should be paying around $1000 or $1500 for it to make sense
I hate being early because I have to wait for the comments to tell me the plot of the slop
What is it with youtubers hating poor people? Its something i've noticed a lot lately.
Funny thing is people with less money are way more generous than people with money. This guy is a douch.
Bro is clipfarming his clipfarming 💀
RUclips has been patching these recently, restricting to local payment methods and cancelling memberships. I never bothered with these since blocking RUclips ads on my computer, phone and TV is extremely easy.
quite possibly my favorite pyro video watching the joy leave his eyes