Worst Brakes Ever
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Did Oldsmobile really put mid-size brakes under the full-size Jetstar 88? And why didn’t this Jetstar 88 get the big 394 V8 used in other full-size 1964 Oldsmobiles? Watch as Steve examines how this Jetstar 88 cut costs - and corners.
What was GM thinking putting 9 1/2 " brakes on anything! Metallic lining helped a lot after they got warmed up, but until then it was a cheek squeezer!
The early tiny disc brakes that fit under 14" wheels were even weaker!
MTOD (spitting noise)...they would have you jumping off the hood yelling yeehaw at the start of each episode, yelling at the owner of a neighbouring junk yard, putting mag wheels on the featured wrecked car then blowing it up at the end of the show while waving your arms and yelling Yeehaw again. I think you and your intrepid cameraman do a great job Steve. I learn something I never knew with each episode. And you can yell Yeehaw whenever you feel like it.
My dad had a 1965 Dynamic 88 convertible back on black. She had a 425 w/ 2 bbl, single exhaust, and 310 hp. I was 16 and loved driving it. The rear axle had 4 trailing arms.
Copped my first feel in the trunk of an Olds going to the motor movies!
I didnt know Halloween in Massachusetts you'll all had snow Thanks Steve
My grandmother had a 64 Olds 88 with the 330 and the RotoHydramatic. She really liked that car a lot. My dad and I ended up rebuilding that RotoHydramatic on a 4x8 sheet of plywood on sawhorses, man what a complicated transmission with so many parts! After we put it back together it worked better than ever, I was pretty proud to have helped as a 9 year old!
can we all appreciate steve for shedding blood for us
Yes we can and menny Uther's that are willing to show us how to fix are cars and lite trucks and vans . Not all school s tech us how to do things .
It's ok just rub some snow on it
He recorded several reviews that day. Man of the enthusiast
Very interesting and instructive plus relaxing best videos before going to sleep also. I can't stop watching maybe 2 or 3 before bed 😂😂😂😂😂
I can say this cause i have owned both cars but the 65 Mustang 6 cyl had way worse brakes than the Oldsmobile!!
So nice to see snow when it's 90 degrees out!
In my opinion MTOD dropping Junkyard Gold was a mistake. I always enjoyed that show. That is how I ended up on this channel. It shows that folks prefer the drama of reality shows compared to learning something via how-to or history. Thank you for making these videos for us.
Ain’t that the truth. 👍👍👍
Great comment, thanks.
Man, that snow really hangs on.
Thank you Steve
Another great video Steve I heard through the grapevine that you are getting better each day Glad to hear that we miss you out here Peace and love your way
The show must go on ! Bleeding arm and everything !
Pretty snowy in MA today! 😂
Beautiful car. Love the interior color.
That is the same roof uses on 62,63,64 Chevy impala and 64 buicks and olds. Thanks again for another cool video i like that car.
I thought the model with the small brake drums was the DeathStar, not the JetStar!
Love that cancel thing
A lot of those parts in that car were made in my home town.
Old guy had one of those in a town where I grew up around 20 years ago. Thing looked cool. Should have asked about buying it.
Never let M/T Forget. Steve.
My Dad bought a used '65 Dynamic 88 convert for me and my older Brother to learn with. I loved that car! It was one of fastest boats I've ever driven (425 ci 2bbl). I ended up putting the 425 engine/turbo 400? in a '65 442 roller that I bought for $50 from a guy in high school. Once my brake line (single master cyl) blew through on the 442, I and my friends destroyed the car and junked it. If I only knew then what I know now...
They had a fuel filter in the tank, many went to the recycling yard because of fuel delivery problems. No one was wise enough to drop the fuel tank.
Tank had a screen... filter on the engine... pickup tube in tank could rust and not be long enough any more...
I wonder if steve was trying to crank these out because he knew he was sick? He really seemed to be pushing himself to exhaustion. Love ya Mags. Keep fighting buddy.
Looks nice and chilly today. Perfect release for a late July day.
Love the channel, Steve. “Cancelled?!” The same geniuses at MTOD that cancelled Dirt Everyday?
I had a 1964 four door Jetstar 88 that I used to pull a U-haul trailer from New Hampshire to Saskatchewan in 1972 and quickly learned the brakes were terrible! Over the next two years both back axles broke but the car was totalled by a teenager using it as a crash barrier in an ice storm.
Wow, snow in July!
Snow in July? So glad I moved out of the cold north.
I didnt know Halloween in Massachusetts you'll had snow Thanks Steve
Street 💳 Cred: 6:10 You slashed your right arm like a true punk. Suffering for your art Steve.
Funny how you keep finding those magazines in those buckets of rust 😬
My brother had a 1964 F-85 sedan. It was a fun car to drive.
Snow in July"
Repeat. I remember that flesh wound.
9 1'2 inch brakes were also standard on 4 cylinder Chevy IIs and Corvairs.
Hi Steve, good video! I totally agree in regards in what you are stating on the subject on inadequate brakes on many General Motors cars. Some GM(s) had more than adequate brakes, even if they where "manual drum". It does NOT cost an automobile manufacture to increase the size of the brakes at all! The engineering is all the same and in the mean time the extra cost of the steel is very small. I am 63 years old, and every car that I had ever been in, 1963 and below, I never saw factory installed seat belts. Every car that I have been in 1964 and 1965, had two front seat belts. Every car that I have been in 1966 and 1967 had two front and two rear seat belts. Many car owner(s) would remove and discard the seat belts back then, you would be surprised! Automobiles has always been my hobby since I was a small kid, every car that I got in, I always wanted to what accessories and engine and engine the automobile was equipped with, I would ask the owner, or I would see for my self. I looked under the hood of all my neighbor(s) car(s) on my street, they did not mind because I was social with them. I'm talking about Pontiac GTO, Oldsmobile 442, Plymouth 'Cuda and Mustang Boss 302! By the way Steve, do you still have snow on the ground in Bernardston Massachusetts in the month of July? Please reply. Dave...
Hi Steve, these were nice looking cars. I had that exact steering wheel on a go cart I built. It was just a down hill racer. We had lots of fun with that thing! Great show Steve!
No VIN, can't win, but easy to figure out, no doubt: 8 for eight cylinder equipped, 3 for Jetstar 88, 4 for 1964 model year, possible L for Linden, NJ assembly (closed in 2005), K for Fairfax, KS assembly (original plant closed in early 1987, Fairfax II still operates today), T for Arlington, TX assembly (still operates today), C for Southgate, CA assembly (closed in 1982), M for Lansing, MI assembly (closed in 2006), A for Atlanta, GA assembly (Doraville, closed in 2008), or W for Wilmington, DE assembly (closed in 2009) among other codes, and the rest is the production sequence.
No tag, can't brag: 64 for 1964 model year, 3347 for Jetstar 88 two door Holiday coupe, various codes for the assembly plant, depending on where it was assembled, possible 973, 973V, 983 or 993V for Blue interior trim, C for Provincial White exterior paint, among other codes.
"Pontiac never made any mistakes....except for putting a 403 Oldsmobile V8 in a Firebird". "The Pontiac 400 V8 is canceled? What do you mean it's canceled?". Correct the second time, 1977 to 1979 for the 403 Oldsmobile V8 RPO code "L80" VIN code "K" engine in the Trans Am. Also, the Firebird Formula in certain years could have an Olds 350 V8. Classic Ride Society on YT has a 1977 Firebird Formula with a 350 Oldsmobile engine. 1980-1981 Trans Ams either had the Pontiac 301 non-turbo V8 (RPO code "L37, VIN code "W" engine), the Pontiac 301 turbo V8 (RPO code "LU8", VIN code "T"), or the Chevrolet 305 V8 (RPO code "LG4", VIN code "H").
Provincial White for Oldsmobile in 1964, not Ermine White (that was typically Chevrolet).
The Olds V8 was used to meet emissions.
@@basilcarroll9729 Correct and also the 400 V8 production had stopped sometime in 1978, so the 403 was the largest engine available. The 301 Pontiac V8 four barrel offered the buyer a credit in 1979 and became the base engine for the Trans Am in 1980.
You have to remember, $80 back then was like around $800 today.
Snow sounds lovely. Going to be 90s and high humidity in my part of Tennessee today. And I work in that shit. Clearing off an overgrown pond dam wall today. 7-1 or 7-2 is all I'll be working today!
Hope you're not a Tennessee trumptard
Yes I am back in East Tennessee after spending five years working in Omaha Nebraska and l am still getting adjusted to the humidity.
@@garymckee8857 hope you don't support the orange cultist magat guilty of espionage bone spurs 45
You the landscaper? Were you plowing this past winter?
@@tomwesley7884 nope. I was building 12 foot planter boxes, building a chicken coop, building fences and installing gates, building a wood privacy fence etc. Plowing would be awesome. I work way too hard. Especially for nearing 50.
Olds cheaped out on the JetStar 88. The Pontiac Catalina was better equipped with a standard 389 and either a 3 speed manual or 3 speed HydraMatic.
Love my drums on my 84 cutlass second set since new. they last. not exactly driven into the corners ether lol and there aluminum
Snow in July ?😉
Seat belts become law mid-year 1966. I'm old enough to be the second owner of a 1966 Chevy Caprice. The owner's manual was still intact. The owner's manual was printed saying they were an option, but there was an insert saying due to safety laws they were standard equipment.
Front seat belts were required on cars built from January 1st, 1964, rear belts in 65 and belts for all passengers in 66. This car must have been built Sept. through Dec. 63.
I would bet that insert was for dealer installed belts, because some were throwing them in as a way to lure customers. As I recall they were under $10 in those days.
The olds "Wow" signal
Thank you Steve , brings backs memories of my Dad and his silent obcession with Oldsmobile/Buick automobiles. Cut my teeth working on the early to mid sixties Olds/Buicks all sharing those fabulous engines. I thought all cars like those had Aluminum Blocks. Great Stuff Steve!!! I'm 67 so putting a date stamp on my first exposure to the Automobile.
Buick/Olds aluminum V8s were all 1960 - 1963 small cars... then Buick version became Rover, TVR, MG, Triumph, Morgan, Repco-Brabham, etc., engines... also some Slant 6 and AMC aluminum engines briefly...
Hay Steve pless school us we love it and your shows
I miss velocity channel and junk yard gold
I'm from Phoenix and right now I wouldn't mind being in that yard with the six inches of snow on the ground... Thanks Steve and Super Camera Guy, my apologies I can't think of your name.
Would be hard shoveling 6” of snow in that 110’ AZ heat.
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Ah HAHAHAHA!
Blurred the dogs face!
Now THAT’S funny!
I often wonder if the 1964 Jetstar 88 was Oldsmobile's attempt at paralleling the Pontiac of Canada full size car line up. Pontiac of Canada used Chevrolet X frames and running gear in their full size Pontiac lines (Star Chief, Parisienne, etc) while Oldsmobile's attempt at a United States copy used Oldsmobile components, just from the "A" body series.
Cheap small cars started appearing late 1950's so everyone was trying to compete somewhat in that market... pinching pennies...
when did it snow?
That must be an early ‘64, as I believe front seatbelts were made mandatory on all new cars in the USA effective January 1, 1964. And rear seat belts were made mandatory in 1967. Also front turn signals had to be amber colored starting in 1964. Either the lens or the bulb had to be amber colored.
I think GM made that car shitty (small brakes) on purpose, to make their other products seem better.
I love mid 60s BOP cars❤
Both my 64 Impala's (1 - SS 409 & 1 Impala w/327/PG) had the same roof. They both were Marron with a White roof & Black interiors. Of course the SS had Bucket seats. FYI Impal;a's had full sized brakes
OLDS JETSTAR 88!!!
3 things I can't stand: C. A. F. E., Ralph Nader, and MotorTrend.
CAFE and Nader ruined the party for years
@@chuckselvage3157 True, but they got us thinking in the right direction and putting technology to work for vehicle design. It's when they went too far that things got out of hand.
EVs.
Don’t forget the EPA.🤮
nader and cafe got us aware of how shitty we treat the planet and how little we cared about safety tho i agree with the sentiment as my mills up here said it pointed us in the right direction
Rumour has it Steve and Katie are in Vegas doubling the money.
Always thought '63/'64 Olds were about the most boring looking US car of the '60s.
6:20 putting your sweat and blood into these videos? You are dedicated!
Be safe out there!
Olds offers air bag in 64 for the first time 🎉
My dad bought a 63 dynamic 88 4dr holiday new.. 394 big twoi barrell tire smoker... i got to drive it at 16 years old ...it was on it way out as a. valve would stick and pop out of the intake sometimes in 1980. 70 bucks is a kot of money in 63 or 64.. i believe my dad made about 110 a week as a full-time butcher with three kids and a mortgage. They bought the car when they won money on a keno game in reno, Nevada.. my dad was a great guy !!
Sounds like he was a good and hard working man. Remember him for us all
Intermediate brakes on a full size car, sounds more like a Ford cost cutting idea than something that would happen with an Oldsmobile. My brother in law is still in mourning over GM cancelling the Oldsmobile brand.
Wow, snow in July!
70 bucks is close to what I cleared a week in 1964.
That's $689.00 in today's dollars!
again Steve a great presentation. I never knew the '64 88 had a 330 in it. I'm sure it was more economical than the 394. When I got my learners permit in '68 my Uncle "made" me drive his '64 With three on the tree. Unforgettable and special memory, kind of like your first girl friend.Thank you very much Steve and keep them coming
"JetStar 1" version of 88 got you the Hyper version 394" engine... Jetstar 88 was 6 or 330 V8...
Great knowledge and info from the great Steve mags!!! Enjoy every one of them....and every poke at motor trend!!..always enjoyable. I look forward too your next live chat with Tony D!!!
Snow in July in MA?
You guys still have a lot of snow in the shaded areas for this time of year. Lolol , hopefully your putting your engine in this week, can't wait to see it on the road
Did you get to buy your buddies car?
@@geoffkeller5337 yea we got it to my house and we're gonna fix it up and give it back to him on his birthday in two months
@@coinslotsandjoysticks2572 He's going to love that
Wow...final comment says it all. Beancounters rule.
Worst brakes were those old mechanicals on most old cars....LOL...
64 Buick leSabre had the same coupe roof as well,
I'm afraid one day when Steve decides to play "what's in the trunk?", he'll find a body.
Just the bones
When did it snow?😉
When I was a kid and we would have family get togethers you could tell who was already there by the cars already parked wherever we were meeting. My uncle George always had Oldsmobiles, My uncle Don always had Pontiac and my uncle John always had Chevys and my dad after 1963 always drove Buicks. Now my uncle Stan always drove what he could get a good deal on so right up the early 70's he would buy low mileage Studebaker Larks because when it became an orphan the resale value went way down. Of all of them I liked the Olds the best as far as styling inside and out.
Oldsmobile was Rocket 88 and later were just Jetstars. I liked the Rocket vibe so much better.
Snow on the ground and steve running around in a short sleeve shirt..true dedication...lol..
F85 has 4 studs on the wheels I think. It reminds me of the rear break on the J and X GM bodies, when they weren't adjusted properly, the rear wheels would lock all of the sudden. They were kinda dangerous.
4 studs gone after '63...
Steve as always great content.. Yes Olds did some farts in church and the brakes were defiantly that.. Keep up the school of junk yard class.
Hahahahahahaha, the drive inn....yeah sneaking guys in the trunk.....
It’s still snowing in Massachusetts?
Mr. B. Here ! Morning to all ☕️☕️🍩🍩👍👍 ! Nice to see snow in July , LOL ! Great car over all , good ride and comfortable. To bad that one is in the yard !
Morning
@@tomwesley7884 😎😎☕️☕️👍👍
Get Steve to 100k
Certainly one of my most rewarding subscriptions!!
Not an X-frame?
Now, it's a wreck star
I’ve always loved the lines on the 64 Olds!
Brakes, only slow you down LOL! If you drive like you have a brain, those brakes will work fine! Utilizing a good eye lead times, and following distance,
would preserve them just fine! If you drive like an idiot, and wait to brake 30 feet from the intersections,or don’t pay attention to whether or not the green light is stale, that driving style could have a cumulative premature wear effect on your brakes! The only real downside,I would say is mountain driving, if you didn’t slow down on initial mountain descents ,and select a lower gear to help the car utilize the transmission to stabilize vehicle speed you could experience what is known as brake fade and then complete brake failure and perhaps bearing grease fire ignition if things get hot enough!
That said, these were great cars with beautiful lines!
Great video Steve!
I caught you on the High Octane RUclips channel doing the walk around on that beautiful yellow 1966 SS, L-78 equipped Chevelle yesterday, What a car! Me Likey!
Hope you guys are well!
My Grandpa had a 64 Jetstar just like this, it was blue with a blue interior just like this car. I remember it had power brakes that were
way too sensitive and when applied even slightly aggressively they would nearly shoot you through the windshield!
❄Another great vid!!!!❄👍
Is that "wrecking-yard-red" on your arm ,Steve ????
90° here in Fall River!! Snowy up north I see. 😅 I'm assuming that's what it is.
It's a video from the winter lmao
@@sosa9754 I know it was a joke. I live in Massachusetts and there's definitely no snow.
One of my work buddies had a '64 Cutlass. I'm sure he was driving it like it was stolen, because he drove it like that everywhere he went. One day on a trip to the local lake he got the brakes so hot on it that when he parked on some tall grass, it burned the car down, unfortunately.
@@shawnsatterlee6035
Think what you want, but that did happen.
@@shawnsatterlee6035
Not that I feel inclined to share any further details with a person like you, but it was 1991, the guys name was Chris. He worked with me at Discount Tire on W. Sahara in Vegas. Car burned at Gypsum Wash at Lake Mead. While he did often thrash on this car , he also had been doing months of bodywork, including welding and finishing all of the endless chrome holes down the sides. He had put a lot of work into this car and it sucked to see him lose it, because on a tireman's wage, that's all he had.
Never understood the industry’s cheapness when it came to brakes.
Is this a repeat video? Still snow on the ground, even for the US northeast that’s a long winter. 😜🇨🇦👍
Yeah it's been nothing but repeats this entire past week. Very sad; I miss the fresh Junkyard Crawls. I wish Steve would update us on what's going on. It feels sort of disrespectful to the audience to pass off old videos as new ones and not give any sort of explanation.
Snow in July? 😗
More than a week of repeats, I'm getting a little worried, like getting ready to drive to Brookfield to see if you are OK 😲
I think he's on vacation. He did the same thing last summer for a week.
@kman-mi7su : Your probably right, If I'm still a subscriber next summer I'll remember so I don't watch reruns.
Hey Steve, I understand the magazine cancellation reference but I'm at a loss understanding the occasional deer head and plastic dog appearances. Can you explain those for us curious types ?
Just some fun
A joke, being funny, props, makes his videos different.
And the yard dog gets his face blanked out!!
Rudolph Dieselhead is an ex developmental engineer on the Nazi V-1 Buzzbomb program from WWII. The plastic dog is the alter ego of Katie the junkyard dog who as you can see is in the witness protection program.
OK, but what about the chef's hat he's wearing when he apparently learns about Junkyard Gold's cancelations. I never understood why someone would wear a chef's hat while crouching down in front of an Exner Valiant.
motor trend never makes mistakes😂. nice Jetstar. snow in July.
Cool summer treat
GET WELL SOON STEVE LOVE Rick n Susan White