When they retired the V8s, Red Bull fired up their car in the garage one last time, took the limiter off and revved the nuts off it. They hit over 22,000 rpm.
@@dieselgeezer18 ruclips.net/video/egwL54IlhRg/видео.html There's no official source but 22k rpm was the number quoted at the time and a few people say it in the comments for that video as well.
@@hdezn26 Or non existent. Pretty sure a person wouldn't pay to fix everything he destroyed. Better off making an insurance claim and having them total the vehicle, and buy a new one. Insurance rates went up, but at least they don't need to buy a whole new power train.
Honda reaches the highest recorded RPM every Friday night at any Walmart parking lot and every Vtec within a one mile radius of said parking lot is engaged.
@Mathias Elslidnul nope. It will be a specialty thing even if all current manufacturers quit making them. They didn't quit making acoustic guitars when the electric came along. It will be the same with engines/motors.
The sound pitch would be so high that it would not make any difference from the sound of the V10 engine era. If you want to see more modern V12 open wheeler, i reccomend you to watch the Superleague Formula. :)
@@sayan1667 Makes sense. And thanks for the tip. 👍🏻 The best I've seen so far in terms of modern V12 isn't even a racecar: Gordon Murray's T.50 and Cosworth dyno-testing its engine in a fictious lap around Le Mans...that V12 screaming at "just" 12,100 rpm is F1 worthy, even if it revved lower than the actual V12-powered F1 cars. :D
Hm. Really it seems to be that v-10 revs better Or... inline-4 flat plane. A few details, less friction, nice ballance. Remember 250cc bikes of 80th What bike reved till 22000? It's worth mentioning a V-10 BMW engine on Williams reved till 20k+ in a race. I remember it from a TV
Mean piston velocities remain pretty much the same regardless of what rpm an engine spins to, (i.e. stroke is very short on a high revving motor). Mean piston velocity is 26.5 m/s at the 20,500 rpm redline of the v8 above (39.8mm stroke), by comparison the Ferrari 458 and Honda F20c are around 24.3 and 24.6 m/s at redline. Since the piston has to be accelerated and decelerated every single cycle, it's difficult to achieve greater mean speeds. And funnily enough, the piston is usually the weakest link here too - any extra strengthening just means more mass, which is counter-productive and results in even greater forces acting to tear the wrist pin out
@@Cloud-zq8mf Yes, definitely. As mentioned above, it's amazing they can still suck in the air and fuel mix at such low stroke and high rpm while being naturally aspirated
Its not so much the speed of the parts but the ability to get fuel and air into a cylinder, compress it, ignite it, get some useful energy out of it and expel it... all in such a staggeringly short amount of time is what really blows my mind!! That tach flashing at 20,002 was a Cosworth V8 dyno run.
Its pneumatic so no camshaft or lobes thats why an engine stall is deadly for those engines. Ignition and fuel is not a problem at all. Injectors are just flooding the the cylinders and the ignition Happens by itself to a certain rpm it gets ignited then just keeps firing and the last step is pre ignition or self ignition. Thats also why the flames are shooting out while dropping in rpm allmost like anti lag. The rotary forces are mainly in conrods and the bolt that connects the piston with it and the crankshaft is literally non existent its smaller in flank size then in a bike engine google it.
The main advantage of revving high is that the instantaneous torque is much lower so parts don't have to be as strong which result in a much lighter engine. The trade-off is much more expensive and exotic materials for abrasion resistance and more aggressive gear ratios which would be less efficient.
And too the main advantage is any rpm’s above 5252 multiplies horsepower, after all that is the point of revving to the moon. At 20krpms hp is multiplied almost 4times higher than if were at 5krpms.
I'm a gear head and have been for my whole life. Firstly, being an American, seeing 20k on a tac makes me giggle like child, giddy in imagination. Secondly, a 2.4L V8, the blower on my Hellcat was technically 2.38L. Lol
I'm a truck driver and I own my truck. It's a 13L I6 which isn't even that big in the industry. But each of my cylinders is still over 2L lol. But it redlines at 10% of what's shown here.
so we established that either americans can't or don't want to build high revving engines or that the two of you don't really understand the physics inside an internal combustion engine 😋
Ferrari F2002, 2004 and especially F2005 engines must have been something... hardly any failures, highest power and efficiency and outstanding overall performance. P. S. the best sounding engines
The Tachometer on my 2010 Kawasaki ZX6R went up to 20k. 0-90mph in 1st gear, no problem. Liter bikes couldn't take it off the line, their top end was much higher, but zipping around a track, they couldn't keep up and it was stock.
Nope, that's 166 times per seconds (camshaft RPM = crankshaft RPM / 2, then /60 to get per second). That's still seriously impressive for something mechanical. 166Hz.
Warped perception got a one cylinder RC to hit those numbers. Just picture a one cylinder modified engine flying down the track still in first gear after passing everyone.
@@kennethwallace4338 are you talking about his rotary engine? yes those wankel engines can rev very high rpms because theyre spinning engines not reciprocal engines like mentioned here.. i can visualise your idea..my old 83 yamaha 100cc 2 stroke single revs up to 9000rpm screaming to 70mph warning me it could explode into a 600dollar engine rebuild ...if only she could be revved to 15000rpm she'd be hitting 120mph!
@@fidelcatsro6948 that be something. Only seen one car with a rotor engine run a 1/4 track, he lost cause it was a 3 cylinder, turbo bigger than the engine. Forgot which channel it was on still pulled 85 mph in a quarter mile, with that little thing in a older unstripped Honda.
For those that don't know, that's very impressive on a V8 platform. They're naturally unstable because of the geometry of the engine. The V in it causes turbulent harmonics throughout the block. Inline engines are more stable as far as structurally.
I miss the days when motorsport are full of racing teams and manufacturers pushing the boundaries of their respective machines, also the competitiveness that it brings along. Rules keeps its safe, won't argue with that but with so much rules it makes it boring to watch and hear. Even your weekend drive on your local circuit is more thrilling than the motorsports nowadays.
Pre changes in 2007 I could hear the formula races in Melbourne Australia from my house on the other side of the city (maybe 5km), it was always kinda cool but now can't hear anything at all. Especially 2020-21 as the race wasn't even on :(
Even the springs in this engine had to be hollow inside and compressed with gas so it would expand faster than the regular springs, otherwise the valves weren’t opening and closing fast enough
I have to say the BMW Williams era of 2001-2003 had the most impressive Engine for me. That RPM, that sound, that power... 😍 That durability 😢 Even I wasn't a Montoya fan at that time I really liked the team and the car. And The Michael™, Montoya and Ralf were absolutely on 🔥🔥 back then 👍
I think it’s much more impressive what F1 is doing with the engines today. The fact that the engines perform at such a high level while not using a crazy fuel source and the limitations on the fuel capacity are nuts.
Let me remind you that Honda, suzuki and recently, kawasaki, all built road-legal, all-weather usable, pretty reliable bikes with 20k+ rpm redlines. Like, thats an INSANE number for any sort of engine.
To give u a perspective what that means for the Engine. It needs 0.002 seconds for 4 tacts For valve opening and close For ignite and compress For pistons to go up and down. That all happens in 0.002 Seconds
Impressive at that HP, but motorcycle engines were achieving this Rpm already which is mind blowing.... Do a search for a "Kawasaki Balius" 250cc 4 cylinder with 20k Rpm limit! Sounds like an F1 car, but about 1/8th the speed 🤣
Physically it’s pretty much impossible to get past 20000 rpm at list with piston motors so to say they didn’t just meet it but went a extra 500 rpm is really impressive
My mechanic friend ran a Honda 14e engine from the Honda MC22 motorcycle all the way to 23.5k RPM on a programmable ECU where it failed from valve float breaking two con - rods . The normal rev limit for these is 17k RPM .
Imagine how strong and lightweight this parts must be to reach that RPM without flying away. Very impressive.
IINM, the average acceleration of F1 pistons isn't massively higher than some road car engines. It's just that the stroke is a lot shorter.
@@Kj16V I think you’re correct, f1 engines’ max stroke length is 40 mm while your average car is around 90 mm.
@@Vennillion yeh prolly have zero torq. Only hp xD
@@vihreelinja4743 they definitely have torque
Id say it just heats up more with those ripms
When they retired the V8s, Red Bull fired up their car in the garage one last time, took the limiter off and revved the nuts off it. They hit over 22,000 rpm.
is this true? I need the source
@@dieselgeezer18 ruclips.net/video/egwL54IlhRg/видео.html There's no official source but 22k rpm was the number quoted at the time and a few people say it in the comments for that video as well.
Red Bull gave those pistons wiiiiiiiings!
Lol
That's insane
Some engineer had probably downshifted from redline by accident, so the highest recorded rpm might be much higher
Or towed thier Jeep behind the RV leaving it in 4x4 low on 1st gear.... I don't know what RPM that reached but it totaly wrecked that engine.
@@clayton8or Yeah It got pretty high. I bet the shop bill was as high.
@@hdezn26 I remember that one, must have reached 20k before it exploded
Ah, I understood that reference!
@@hdezn26 Or non existent. Pretty sure a person wouldn't pay to fix everything he destroyed. Better off making an insurance claim and having them total the vehicle, and buy a new one. Insurance rates went up, but at least they don't need to buy a whole new power train.
They should hold an Unlimited Event every 5 years where car manufacturers bring their beast prototypes out to race.
Basically what group b was back in the day
Awesome idea!
@@dillonventola408 and what grand Prix racing originally was.
anything close to that these days?
@@yngfljm2277 pikes peak.
Honda reaches the highest recorded RPM every Friday night at any Walmart parking lot and every Vtec within a one mile radius of said parking lot is engaged.
I like it..
Lol most underrated comment on here 😆
This guy knows man! 😂
Yeah it's glorious. My s2000 when i go past 5000 rpm it's like warp speed all the way to 9000rpm.
Look up hondas 20,000 rpm. our lil shitbox cant do that no matter what we do
God, I miss those old V10s so damn much.
V8 and V12 too.
Ok boomer
@Mathias Elslidnul nope. It will be a specialty thing even if all current manufacturers quit making them.
They didn't quit making acoustic guitars when the electric came along. It will be the same with engines/motors.
Yeah f1 sounds like shit now
@Mathias Elslidnul what?
I wish they still allowed V12's in the V8 era...imagining one reaching 20k rpm...the sound must've been amazing.
The sound pitch would be so high that it would not make any difference from the sound of the V10 engine era. If you want to see more modern V12 open wheeler, i reccomend you to watch the Superleague Formula. :)
@@sayan1667 Makes sense. And thanks for the tip. 👍🏻
The best I've seen so far in terms of modern V12 isn't even a racecar: Gordon Murray's T.50 and Cosworth dyno-testing its engine in a fictious lap around Le Mans...that V12 screaming at "just" 12,100 rpm is F1 worthy, even if it revved lower than the actual V12-powered F1 cars. :D
Screaming
Hm. Really it seems to be that v-10 revs better
Or... inline-4 flat plane. A few details, less friction, nice ballance.
Remember 250cc bikes of 80th
What bike reved till 22000?
It's worth mentioning a V-10 BMW engine on Williams reved till 20k+ in a race. I remember it from a TV
@@ЕвгенийПермяков-з1ц Which race was this? I am asking, because i've heard that they had more than 20k rpm only on testing.
Just think about pistons moving at these INSANE speeds (and valves opening and closing that fast too!) - it honestly gives me goosebumps
@Mathias Elslidnul
same
it's like trying to comprehend the scale of the universe. i simply cannot wrap my head around how fast everything is going
Mean piston velocities remain pretty much the same regardless of what rpm an engine spins to, (i.e. stroke is very short on a high revving motor). Mean piston velocity is 26.5 m/s at the 20,500 rpm redline of the v8 above (39.8mm stroke), by comparison the Ferrari 458 and Honda F20c are around 24.3 and 24.6 m/s at redline.
Since the piston has to be accelerated and decelerated every single cycle, it's difficult to achieve greater mean speeds. And funnily enough, the piston is usually the weakest link here too - any extra strengthening just means more mass, which is counter-productive and results in even greater forces acting to tear the wrist pin out
For piston speed is not very impressive now. But for piston ring acceleration, and keep prevent from fluttering, it's awesome.
@@Cloud-zq8mf Yes, definitely. As mentioned above, it's amazing they can still suck in the air and fuel mix at such low stroke and high rpm while being naturally aspirated
@@kamilzmich5961 compared to motorbikes and such its not such a low stoke
My wife still manages 22,000 rpm in first gear going to the shops.
You mean 2,200rpm, cause even 10k rpm is to much for a sports car too.
@@johndavidson3424 He did something people like to call "a joke".
@@DrakyHRT
👍🤣🤣🤣
Muy bueno el chiste amigo,jajaja.
Why bother getting married
I believe that the Honda civic down my road has reached the 30k rev limit!
Probably in his driveway! 💥
Its not so much the speed of the parts but the ability to get fuel and air into a cylinder, compress it, ignite it, get some useful energy out of it and expel it... all in such a staggeringly short amount of time is what really blows my mind!! That tach flashing at 20,002 was a Cosworth V8 dyno run.
Can you imagine how strong the lobes on the camshafts have to be?
Don't forget the oiling system
@@Fernan2010 And the piston accelerating and decelerating every single stroke as it goes up and down 🤯
Its pneumatic so no camshaft or lobes thats why an engine stall is deadly for those engines. Ignition and fuel is not a problem at all. Injectors are just flooding the the cylinders and the ignition Happens by itself to a certain rpm it gets ignited then just keeps firing and the last step is pre ignition or self ignition. Thats also why the flames are shooting out while dropping in rpm allmost like anti lag. The rotary forces are mainly in conrods and the bolt that connects the piston with it and the crankshaft is literally non existent its smaller in flank size then in a bike engine google it.
@@R_S4_B5 they had camshafts in the v10s. Still do in the v6s
Imagine how insane F1 would be without set limits and regulations...
Turbo always beats NA, without rules they would still be turbo and not rev to 20k because it is wastefull.
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 what is the current rpm limit in f1
@@shyamshah6656 15K
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 they dont even reach that most of the time. They shift around 11 to 12k i think.
Then they should called it something else. Since “formula” means exactly limits and regulations
Those V10's were like music. I miss the sound.
I don't, I'm partially deaf because of them
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 how
@@tomasorione5819 he probably worked in pit crew or something like that. Or was a front row spectator
Finally a RUclips short that is actually worth watching!
Oh my god, imagine the sounds!
I don't have to, I just watched the video lol
And the blow ups
Few sounds in the world make me more excited than a high revving engine. Gets me every time
After it reached 20k rpms it sounded like it was just idling at 9k rpms!
Haha yes! I noticed that too.
I was waiting for the word "Honda" to be dropped as the rpm kept going higher and higher ... I wasn't disappointed
I was just waiting to hear the name “Cosworth”
Imagine if they allowed rotary engines in F1.
There's not enough oil in the world...
**Rob Dahm has entered the chat**
Lmao
Turbines would be more efficient at this point
My boy rob making a rotary indycar
The main advantage of revving high is that the instantaneous torque is much lower so parts don't have to be as strong which result in a much lighter engine. The trade-off is much more expensive and exotic materials for abrasion resistance and more aggressive gear ratios which would be less efficient.
And too the main advantage is any rpm’s above 5252 multiplies horsepower, after all that is the point of revving to the moon.
At 20krpms hp is multiplied almost 4times higher than if were at 5krpms.
20k rpm..... stratospheric!
Good short there VR 👍
Honda in a video we can see in a moment the engine turning into 20.5k rpm. I agree, the best era was the V10 engines, with an excellent sound.
The F1 engines we all fell in love with.
Nope, the turbo 80s were better
The turbo 80s were good yes, but way too dangerous
All fun and games until a two stroke starts revving to +50,000rpm
Ikr, many people forget about 2 strokes.
All fun and games till electric motor reves up to one million
@@patrikjansen7831 😂
Four strokes with free valve's will be better.
@@patrikjansen7831 whatever. Boring.
I wish all the RUclips shorts I see were this good. Thanks for good content
If I am bored and happen upon a modern F1 race I play the soundtracts of the old cars so I don't fall asleep!!
The Renault V10 - what a symphony
And donut media said 20,000 rpm wasn't possible lol, F1 regulations baby!
Donut is a shit Show currently
@@R_S4_B5 why 🤔
@@viperglass4536 You tell me? You use emoji.
@@RealArchitArya why does it matter
When you Reach 20k rpm and you decide to slow down to 9k rpm and you still have Much more rpm than 90% of cars
More than ninety percent most cars seven something is really pushing it
That Williams BMW in 2002 driven by Juan Pablo Montayo should have won the World Championship. It was a monster.
Man, everything you do is just awesome and packed full of knowledge! Thank you, visioracer
I'm a gear head and have been for my whole life. Firstly, being an American, seeing 20k on a tac makes me giggle like child, giddy in imagination. Secondly, a 2.4L V8, the blower on my Hellcat was technically 2.38L. Lol
I'm a truck driver and I own my truck. It's a 13L I6 which isn't even that big in the industry. But each of my cylinders is still over 2L lol.
But it redlines at 10% of what's shown here.
so we established that either americans can't or don't want to build high revving engines or that the two of you don't really understand the physics inside an internal combustion engine 😋
@@Simon-bu4kc good talk.
Simon 1998 nitro blown big blocks revving past 7500 and over 10000 hp isn’t american enough for you
@@Simon-bu4kc we've offered comparisons from our life experiences. What have you offered to this conversation other than numb skulled criticism?
Ferrari F2002, 2004 and especially F2005 engines must have been something... hardly any failures, highest power and efficiency and outstanding overall performance.
P. S. the best sounding engines
It was over 21k rpm. F1 cars regularly hit it in qual mode.
Pneumatically activated valves on that Renault V10. Springs can't keep up.
Imagine the RPMs we could reach now in 2022 with the beautiful NA engines. But no what we have now is quite frankly embarrassing
Who remembers the F1 powered Minivan?😎
mechanical strength limit on 2004-2005 V8 Cosworth (
Renault V8 @ 20,500 rpm.
Short and sweet , good stuff .
Keep them coming 🏆
So you never actually answered your own question.
Now *THAT* is a moon tune 🌝🛠
The Tachometer on my 2010 Kawasaki ZX6R went up to 20k. 0-90mph in 1st gear, no problem. Liter bikes couldn't take it off the line, their top end was much higher, but zipping around a track, they couldn't keep up and it was stock.
I just think about the damage that could be done if it threw a rod out the block or something
First short on YT that od worth watching
When those engines come apart it must be like dynamite going off!
The first RUclips short I've enjoyed
RPM limits today are about 5,500. Not bad
At 6000 RPM valves open and close 100 times per second so at 20,000 that's almost 400 cycles per second impressive.
BULLSHIT!
Nope, that's 166 times per seconds (camshaft RPM = crankshaft RPM / 2, then /60 to get per second).
That's still seriously impressive for something mechanical. 166Hz.
That is some serious rotating mass, tho tight and compact
I can't even begin to imagine the stress the parts are under.
When 9k rpm in F1 sounds like idle in your car
So Mosquitoes must run at similar RPM's or "FPM's" 🦟Flaps Per Minute. Nyeeeeeiiii!
not good enough not settling for anything less than 29,999 rpm...i want those race car company ceos in my office now!!
Warped perception got a one cylinder RC to hit those numbers. Just picture a one cylinder modified engine flying down the track still in first gear after passing everyone.
@@kennethwallace4338 are you talking about his rotary engine? yes those wankel engines can rev very high rpms because theyre spinning engines not reciprocal engines like mentioned here..
i can visualise your idea..my old 83 yamaha 100cc 2 stroke single revs up to 9000rpm screaming to 70mph warning me it could explode into a 600dollar engine rebuild ...if only she could be revved to 15000rpm she'd be hitting 120mph!
@@fidelcatsro6948 that be something. Only seen one car with a rotor engine run a 1/4 track, he lost cause it was a 3 cylinder, turbo bigger than the engine. Forgot which channel it was on still pulled 85 mph in a quarter mile, with that little thing in a older unstripped Honda.
@@kennethwallace4338 interesting..
Those were good days.
Honda guy said
:laptop engaged 💻🙇🏽♂️🫳🏽🫳🏽🫳🏽🫳🏽🫳🏽🫳🏽😤🫡🏎️
Somewhere a kid with a Civic is thinking he can beat it. VTEC kicked in yo!
Lmfao the fact that they idle at 9k is astonishing
Bring them back, and I will watch F1 again
For those that don't know, that's very impressive on a V8 platform. They're naturally unstable because of the geometry of the engine. The V in it causes turbulent harmonics throughout the block. Inline engines are more stable as far as structurally.
it has a pneumatic valve to achieve that rev limit
Apart from rotory's these are one of the most INSANE sounding engines!
I miss the days when motorsport are full of racing teams and manufacturers pushing the boundaries of their respective machines, also the competitiveness that it brings along. Rules keeps its safe, won't argue with that but with so much rules it makes it boring to watch and hear. Even your weekend drive on your local circuit is more thrilling than the motorsports nowadays.
Miss the old days of f1 was much more fun than now
Renault: we hit 20k rpm
Honda: hold my vtech I’ll brb
The 3.0L V10 era of F1 is my second favorite, behind the 1.5L turbo formula.
Wow! It’s testament to the highest level of precision engineering.
Pre changes in 2007 I could hear the formula races in Melbourne Australia from my house on the other side of the city (maybe 5km), it was always kinda cool but now can't hear anything at all. Especially 2020-21 as the race wasn't even on :(
Even the springs in this engine had to be hollow inside and compressed with gas so it would expand faster than the regular springs, otherwise the valves weren’t opening and closing fast enough
Ferrari did achieve the 20K mark too at the Brazilian GP in 2006...
Nice
At 19,000 RPM, that means the crankshaft was rotating 317 times a second.
Let that sink in.
These are the types of videos that are supposed to be on RUclips shorts
Those engines are so beautiful
I have to say the BMW Williams era of 2001-2003 had the most impressive Engine for me. That RPM, that sound, that power... 😍
That durability 😢
Even I wasn't a Montoya fan at that time I really liked the team and the car. And The Michael™, Montoya and Ralf were absolutely on 🔥🔥 back then 👍
There's a sick video by donut media about why it's so hard to reach 20k rpm in a motor. I suggest a watch if you found this interesting
I think it’s much more impressive what F1 is doing with the engines today. The fact that the engines perform at such a high level while not using a crazy fuel source and the limitations on the fuel capacity are nuts.
F1 was cool as hell back in the 90's, I don't even watch anymore.
This season is dope
I love these short vids
I miss those old F1 engine sounds:(
Bmw at it again… ultimate driving machine.
V10s will always be the best sounding though
That is some crazy engineering. Much respect ✊
I love these shorts.
I will make more, this was the first one… as a test short 😄
Let me remind you that Honda, suzuki and recently, kawasaki, all built road-legal, all-weather usable, pretty reliable bikes with 20k+ rpm redlines.
Like, thats an INSANE number for any sort of engine.
To give u a perspective what that means for the Engine. It needs 0.002 seconds for 4 tacts
For valve opening and close
For ignite and compress
For pistons to go up and down.
That all happens in 0.002 Seconds
The last engine -
-Highest RPM (20,000)
- Idling RPM (9,000)
*engine reaches 20,500 RPM*
Pushrods: "Yeah I'm out"
Gotta love the stifling of innovation by new rules...
Do a video about the best 4cyl turbo cars
Volvo 780, Volvo 740, Volvo 940, Volvo 240 ;)
Spark plugs are loving it
The golden age of F1
Imagine getting punched at a frequency of 20k rpm.
These engines sounded dank
Back when I was a kid I used to think 20k was a normal rpm limit for f1 cars. Like they were just weird like that.
How many people said: shut up and let the engines speak
Chav in a Honda Civic: Watch this!
20k. Just pure insanity.
Impressive at that HP, but motorcycle engines were achieving this Rpm already which is mind blowing.... Do a search for a "Kawasaki Balius" 250cc 4 cylinder with 20k Rpm limit! Sounds like an F1 car, but about 1/8th the speed 🤣
Physically it’s pretty much impossible to get past 20000 rpm at list with piston motors so to say they didn’t just meet it but went a extra 500 rpm is really impressive
Imagine what F1 could be with modern technology and engineering if it weren't for all the restrictions..
My mechanic friend ran a Honda 14e engine from the Honda MC22 motorcycle all the way to 23.5k RPM on a programmable ECU where it failed from valve float breaking two con - rods . The normal rev limit for these is 17k RPM .