Couldn't agree more when you said wake up early. I always hit the rack at 10PM sharp. I never wanted to have to deal with the bathroom situation that I encountered on my first morning of incarceration. And also it was soooo much easier to get a load of laundry done. Finally, you have the yard pretty much to yourself during the morning hours. A few other inmates are out but not many at all. Maybe 5 or 10 tops. Truly a great time to take in the morning or catch an AM radio broadcast. A pleasant departure from the world you are confined to. At least for me it was.
Right. Believe it or not, I really enjoyed the oatmeal right before my 2miles around the track, and then work. I wore myself out almost every day. I was blessed with great bunkies that worked out with me, and we were all wiped out by lights out!
Mr. Paperny, I think you offer solid advice for life in general, not just life in custody. Thank you for sharing your experiences and wisdom, I believe many could lead easier lives by having heard it.
Thank you so much for your kind words. While we focus on preparing defendants for sentencing and prison, I am glad to know others find value in the overall message of living faithfully to our values. Again, thank you.
Without your videos and the work your team does my dad would not have been prepared. He is doing great thanks to Larry, Sam and you. Thank you again. P.S. Love this video!!
Never forget, your dad did more than say "sorry." He did the work. Our whole team remains grateful for the trust you continue to place in us. Please say hi to your mom!!
Sheridan Camp was much nicer than any other camp I’ve ever heard people describe: there are small dorm wings with large 4 man cubes, individual shower stalls, single toilet stalls, a hydroponic and regular farm, a giant horticulture facility, lots of green space, and RDAP. It’s also situated in a stunning part of Oregon an hour south of Portland. Yes, it rained in the winter, but the summers are fantastic. If you can choose a camp, ask for Sheridan.
Interesting video. Not sure how you ended up in my RUclips feed but I enjoy your videos. Hopefully, will never be anywhere near a prison, but still interesting topic. thanks for sharing.
@@DavidMarshallJr I did! I said I worked in the kitchen would took an hour or two a day. Orderlies, I said, could include literally emptying trash: that job is four minutes. Longer jobs are Unicor, outcrew and some maintenance jobs. After I left the kitchen, I worked as an orderly in the dorm for nine months. I swept the floors five days a week. It did not take long, but I always did it.
I don't think nonviolent criminals should be treated like animals. I don't see any point in sending nonviolent prisoners to places like Ryker's Island or Alcatraz. I wonder if Liz will continue to speak with her feigned baritone voice. I also wonder how long it will take for Liz to realize she's no one special.
@Beach Bum, I agree with most if what you wrote with the sole reservation being my acquaintance with people who have served time in institutions that primarily house those convicted of "serious" crimes. I know folks who have done time in California, Illinois, and Nevada systems. Many pled to or were were convicted of crimes that were not violent but that put them in facilities dominated by violent criminals; their crimes tagged them as being "violent," though. None of those friends or acquaintances became better citizens for having served because of the atmosphere that is permitted to dominate. Most were broke, had little worthwhile education, they were just swept up in the culture that predominates outside then dumped into a rarefied version of that culture that predominates inside. For many the system just doesn't work. I wish our society could address that and offer worthwhile diversion before they get consumed by the complex. (One of my foster kids was on the cusp of moving all-in to the gang lifestyle. Fate or dumb luck dropped her in our lap and we were able to help her learn to function in citizen life. Her brother was already down the other path and has spent most of his life in prison because of what he learned on the streets and in the pen.)
@@mbryson2899 Thanks for your reply. I don't disagree with anything you've said. In truth, I'm unclear on your reservations regarding my remarks. To be clear, I don't believe that nonviolent offenders should be warehoused with violent offenders. Without question or doubt, we have too many people who were wrongfully convicted of, or forced to plead guilty to both violent and nonviolent crimes. We don't have a true judicial system; what we have is an expensive legal system that only serves the needs of the prison industrial complex to the detriment of individuals and society as a whole. I've never met Justin or any of the people involved with Prison Professors or White Collar Advice, but watching his videos inspired me to get involved with helping parolees successfully complete their terms of parole. I've never seen the inside of a prison or a camp, but my eyes have been opened to the fact that the parole system is in many ways designed to ensure recidivism. I'm no expert, but I'm doing what I can do to help parolees stay out of prison. Oftentimes, that help can be as simple as driving them so they can report to their PO's, helping them schedule mental health evaluations, etc. I live in a county in Texas where the parole office is out of the way, with no public transportation available. Giving a parolee a ride can go a long way to keep them from accruing parole violations. What prompted my post was Justin talking about people complaining about their tax dollars being used to house prisoners in camps, thinking that camps are "country clubs". It's easy for people who know from nothing to sit and pontificate from the vantage point of cluelessness.
I am truly lost for words. I know of people that have it worse at home. A month in boot camp would be more punishment than her time in this prison, as I understand the description from the video. Furthermore, what a clear example of what fame and money will get you out of; so unfair for those serving in a real prison.
It doesn't matter where you go, even if it is okay, you will still feel the anguish and pain of being away from loved ones, and having to start over with your life. I huge lesson to change your ways for the better.
Do you anticipate she'll have a lot of stans trying to get in touch with her there? If so, what should she keep in mind as far as how this might affect treatment from peers?
Well, I grew up in Brenham, quite near the prison she is going to. I graduated from the (then) junior college she might be learning or working at, but that was in 1967. Gee whiz.
She's going. Maybe Martha Stewart style, but she goin! I was in a Max Security prison for 18 months for a slew of non violent misdemeanors. The low Security prison was full. I was in the minimum building inside Taycheedah Correcting Facility. Things are NOT like the movies/shows. Male prison would scare the shit out of me. Women's prison is all about mental abuse between inmates more than physical violence. It changed my outlook on so many things.
even Leona Helmsley had went to prison. Liz is on her way there. Knowing her. she will re-invent herself as the US is an amazingly forgiving place...she will have "found" God and go out of her way to show she had "reformed".
Based on my experience, that is simply my projection. To 18 months, with early release and other opportunities there’s a potential that’s how long she would serve on that sentence. Of course it could be much longer.
we’ll be lucky to see anything more than 6 months in prison. She’ll most likely get a few years of probation and force to pay the $250K fines. Which is a drop in the bucket considering she is currently living in a 150MILLION dollar home.
Well, it's a 135 month sentence. Eleven years plus. What is the minimum time she can serve? Will her life be better off or worse off if she has a longer sentence?
I’m really curious how much time she’ll have to serve because I think the biggest question in her life now is if her rich fiancé/husband will wait for her or not. When she lost Theranos she was left with $0. She miraculously immediately found an ultra wealthy guy to support her for potentially the rest of her life. If she still has that waiting for her on the outside she might not even really need to turn her life around that much, she could never have to work again and just live in luxury for the rest of her days. But if he moves on while she’s in prison, she has to start her whole life over from scratch with nothing. She won’t even have her own place to live.
@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. He was crazy enough to get involved with her in the first place. But I just don't think it's possible that he could wait that long. There's no way
Question: on what basis do they determine the length of sentence? Justin's business partner got 27 years for a non-violent drug crime (hint: he's black, male and poor). Elizabeth got 11 years for defrauding people of hundreds of millions and misdiagnosing them with medical conditions they didn't have, which could have killed them (hint: she's white, female and rich).
I heard taxpayers pay a fortune for every single inmate… I can't remember how much is this true it's a lot of money? prison hey? Meals, lodging, recreation, healthcare, and a lot of facilities libraries etc.… Meanwhile on the outside people are dying on the streets. If you're homeless commit a crime and just stand there and wait to be arrested we will probably pay thousands of dollars per day for you now. Something smells here
This is nothing new. It has been like this forever. Many homeless people do get arrested on purpose so that they have a bed to sleep in and food to eat.
She doesn’t deserve any of this. Tennis courts… seriously? She should’ve gone to a real prison as she knew why she was doing, and I can’t believe that the jury couldn’t find her guilty on putting ppl ‘s lives in danger? I dot. Believe in camp cupcakes. Special treatment should t be allowed for convicrs
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Couldn't agree more when you said wake up early. I always hit the rack at 10PM sharp. I never wanted to have to deal with the bathroom situation that I encountered on my first morning of incarceration. And also it was soooo much easier to get a load of laundry done. Finally, you have the yard pretty much to yourself during the morning hours. A few other inmates are out but not many at all. Maybe 5 or 10 tops. Truly a great time to take in the morning or catch an AM radio broadcast. A pleasant departure from the world you are confined to. At least for me it was.
Well said. I came to really enjoy the early morning hours, I went to bed before 10pm. I was exhausted!
Right. Believe it or not, I really enjoyed the oatmeal right before my 2miles around the track, and then work. I wore myself out almost every day. I was blessed with great bunkies that worked out with me, and we were all wiped out by lights out!
Mr. Paperny, I think you offer solid advice for life in general, not just life in custody. Thank you for sharing your experiences and wisdom, I believe many could lead easier lives by having heard it.
Thank you so much for your kind words. While we focus on preparing defendants for sentencing and prison, I am glad to know others find value in the overall message of living faithfully to our values. Again, thank you.
Without your videos and the work your team does my dad would not have been prepared. He is doing great thanks to Larry, Sam and you. Thank you again. P.S. Love this video!!
Never forget, your dad did more than say "sorry." He did the work. Our whole team remains grateful for the trust you continue to place in us. Please say hi to your mom!!
I appreciate how you used your time in prison and your efforts sharing the life lessons with the world.Beautiful.
Thank you so much.
Sheridan Camp was much nicer than any other camp I’ve ever heard people describe: there are small dorm wings with large 4 man cubes, individual shower stalls, single toilet stalls, a hydroponic and regular farm, a giant horticulture facility, lots of green space, and RDAP. It’s also situated in a stunning part of Oregon an hour south of Portland. Yes, it rained in the winter, but the summers are fantastic. If you can choose a camp, ask for Sheridan.
This is a very great tutorial about federal prison I went through everything exactly what you said.
Interesting video. Not sure how you ended up in my RUclips feed but I enjoy your videos. Hopefully, will never be anywhere near a prison, but still interesting topic. thanks for sharing.
Thank you and thank you for watching. happy Holidays.
Thank you so much for your content. God Bless you Sir
You’re so welcome. Thank you.
That was really interesting! Thank you!
You’re welcome.
EH has been sentenced to 11 years in Federal Prison! I just watched your video on her terrible character reference letters.
Thanks for watching.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Eh!
About waking up at 5am: Are prisoners in camps or lows allowed to have alarm clocks?
Yes!
An excellent series. I should contribute via patreon
Did 20 years in the Navy. Sounds like a similar experience.
Many similarities
One thing I've learned from Justin's videos is "never let your guard down". By that I mean, prison guard.
Thanks for the video! Still watching, but what are some examples of the jobs that take a few hours a day?
It is in there!! Keep watching, I do a full breakdown of some jobs.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial thanks, but you didn’t mention which jobs require just a few hours 💙
@@DavidMarshallJr I did! I said I worked in the kitchen would took an hour or two a day. Orderlies, I said, could include literally emptying trash: that job is four minutes. Longer jobs are Unicor, outcrew and some maintenance jobs. After I left the kitchen, I worked as an orderly in the dorm for nine months. I swept the floors five days a week. It did not take long, but I always did it.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial 😅 I don’t know how I missed that. Thank you so much for your response
@@DavidMarshallJr Of course!
I don't think nonviolent criminals should be treated like animals. I don't see any point in sending nonviolent prisoners to places like Ryker's Island or Alcatraz. I wonder if Liz will continue to speak with her feigned baritone voice. I also wonder how long it will take for Liz to realize she's no one special.
If she gave an honest assessment of herself, I do not think she would think she is special.
@Beach Bum, I agree with most if what you wrote with the sole reservation being my acquaintance with people who have served time in institutions that primarily house those convicted of "serious" crimes.
I know folks who have done time in California, Illinois, and Nevada systems. Many pled to or were were convicted of crimes that were not violent but that put them in facilities dominated by violent criminals; their crimes tagged them as being "violent," though. None of those friends or acquaintances became better citizens for having served because of the atmosphere that is permitted to dominate. Most were broke, had little worthwhile education, they were just swept up in the culture that predominates outside then dumped into a rarefied version of that culture that predominates inside.
For many the system just doesn't work. I wish our society could address that and offer worthwhile diversion before they get consumed by the complex.
(One of my foster kids was on the cusp of moving all-in to the gang lifestyle. Fate or dumb luck dropped her in our lap and we were able to help her learn to function in citizen life. Her brother was already down the other path and has spent most of his life in prison because of what he learned on the streets and in the pen.)
@@mbryson2899 Thanks for your reply. I don't disagree with anything you've said. In truth, I'm unclear on your reservations regarding my remarks. To be clear, I don't believe that nonviolent offenders should be warehoused with violent offenders.
Without question or doubt, we have too many people who were wrongfully convicted of, or forced to plead guilty to both violent and nonviolent crimes. We don't have a true judicial system; what we have is an expensive legal system that only serves the needs of the prison industrial complex to the detriment of individuals and society as a whole.
I've never met Justin or any of the people involved with Prison Professors or White Collar Advice, but watching his videos inspired me to get involved with helping parolees successfully complete their terms of parole. I've never seen the inside of a prison or a camp, but my eyes have been opened to the fact that the parole system is in many ways designed to ensure recidivism. I'm no expert, but I'm doing what I can do to help parolees stay out of prison. Oftentimes, that help can be as simple as driving them so they can report to their PO's, helping them schedule mental health evaluations, etc. I live in a county in Texas where the parole office is out of the way, with no public transportation available. Giving a parolee a ride can go a long way to keep them from accruing parole violations.
What prompted my post was Justin talking about people complaining about their tax dollars being used to house prisoners in camps, thinking that camps are "country clubs". It's easy for people who know from nothing to sit and pontificate from the vantage point of cluelessness.
@@beachbum1523 Well said! My only reservation as the nonviolent criminal part; it seems we're on the same page.
I am truly lost for words. I know of people that have it worse at home. A month in boot camp would be more punishment than her time in this prison, as I understand the description from the video. Furthermore, what a clear example of what fame and money will get you out of; so unfair for those serving in a real prison.
Unfair? It’s not her fault. She didn’t create the prison system in our country.
It doesn't matter where you go, even if it is okay, you will still feel the anguish and pain of being away from loved ones, and having to start over with your life. I huge lesson to change your ways for the better.
Thank you. Good to know.
my son got 12 years in federal prison yesterday for drugs, how could he get his time cut shorter, i am so upset, this is in Alabama.
Everyone is equal. Some are more equal than others.
Do you anticipate she'll have a lot of stans trying to get in touch with her there? If so, what should she keep in mind as far as how this might affect treatment from peers?
Well, I grew up in Brenham, quite near the prison she is going to. I graduated from the (then) junior college she might be learning or working at, but that was in 1967. Gee whiz.
Pap, 18 months on a 5 year sentence! What is early release? RDAP and good time is possible, Explain early release please.
I figured it out: 60 months minus 9 months good time minus 12 months rdap minus 12 months halfway minus 9 months earned time credits = 18 months.
She's going. Maybe Martha Stewart style, but she goin!
I was in a Max Security prison for 18 months for a slew of non violent misdemeanors. The low Security prison was full. I was in the minimum building inside Taycheedah Correcting Facility. Things are NOT like the movies/shows. Male prison would scare the shit out of me. Women's prison is all about mental abuse between inmates more than physical violence. It changed my outlook on so many things.
even Leona Helmsley had went to prison. Liz is on her way there. Knowing her. she will re-invent herself as the US is an amazingly forgiving place...she will have "found" God and go out of her way to show she had "reformed".
Justin,
How much money can you put into an inmate’s account at one time using Western Union?
I believe $300 is the max.
Is it possible that she would go to a low security prison and not a camp?
Yes, the length of her sentence may preclude her from going to a gamp.
Why do you. expect just 5 years? I realize that the judge can do a downward depart, but if she is out in 18 months that's pretty light
Based on my experience, that is simply my projection. To 18 months, with early release and other opportunities there’s a potential that’s how long she would serve on that sentence. Of course it could be much longer.
we’ll be lucky to see anything more than 6 months in prison. She’ll most likely get a few years of probation and force to pay the $250K fines. Which is a drop in the bucket considering she is currently living in a 150MILLION dollar home.
Well, it's a 135 month sentence. Eleven years plus. What is the minimum time she can serve? Will her life be better off or worse off if she has a longer sentence?
Basically she'll have to serve 9.5 years.
no one wants to go to prison but a minimum security federal is the is the better option.
Correct
I’m really curious how much time she’ll have to serve because I think the biggest question in her life now is if her rich fiancé/husband will wait for her or not. When she lost Theranos she was left with $0. She miraculously immediately found an ultra wealthy guy to support her for potentially the rest of her life. If she still has that waiting for her on the outside she might not even really need to turn her life around that much, she could never have to work again and just live in luxury for the rest of her days. But if he moves on while she’s in prison, she has to start her whole life over from scratch with nothing. She won’t even have her own place to live.
Seriously - what rich guy will wait 7 or more years for her to get out?
@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. He was crazy enough to get involved with her in the first place. But I just don't think it's possible that he could wait that long. There's no way
Question: on what basis do they determine the length of sentence?
Justin's business partner got 27 years for a non-violent drug crime (hint: he's black, male and poor).
Elizabeth got 11 years for defrauding people of hundreds of millions and misdiagnosing them with medical conditions they didn't have, which could have killed them (hint: she's white, female and rich).
Education ? She did not graduate college.
She might be able to get a degree while in prison though lol
Mike Santos may have
done hard time but you
have no clue what it is
to be in prison!!
True wouldn't even call it hard time
I heard taxpayers pay a fortune for every single inmate… I can't remember how much is this true it's a lot of money? prison hey? Meals, lodging, recreation, healthcare, and a lot of facilities libraries etc.… Meanwhile on the outside people are dying on the streets. If you're homeless commit a crime and just stand there and wait to be arrested we will probably pay thousands of dollars per day for you now. Something smells here
This is nothing new. It has been like this forever. Many homeless people do get arrested on purpose so that they have a bed to sleep in and food to eat.
She's not doing one day in prison
She’s going…
What was your criminal offence?
Conspiracy to commit securities fraud
She's pretty much going to a low sec sleep away camp.
She should do her 11 years, not buy her way out.
Five years? 11 for the witch!
Total waste of taxpayer money.
12 seconds in.
Your fuckin funny dude
My or your ego needs stroking..... so stop it
Please GET TO THE POINT.
Thank you.
Ha! 11 YEARS!
The timing of her pregnancy is as disgusting as all the rest of her behavior.
And how boring it is trying to listen to this...
She doesn’t deserve any of this. Tennis courts… seriously? She should’ve gone to a real prison as she knew why she was doing, and I can’t believe that the jury couldn’t find her guilty on putting ppl ‘s lives in danger? I dot. Believe in camp cupcakes. Special treatment should t be allowed for convicrs