Zizek comment sections are always fascinating. It's always marxists shitting on him because he doesn't worship the USSR, right wingers shitting on him because they think he's a traditional marxist who worships the USSR, and pretentious people who mock him for not being the stereotype of a snobby philosopher. It's a shame really, the things he says are legitimately interesting.
It might be interesting if Zizek could stay sober enough to maintain some basic level of coherency, but I imagine the whole conversation would consist of Peterson trying to pin Zizek to a specific definition or position.
@@lucasfabisiak9586 As he puts it in the video, Peterson is busy trying to be the wise man - he doesn't theorize the way Professor Zizek does. I also find Peterson to be a little too stiff and not as interested in the questions that Zizek raises.
I would like to see this, but I have a feeling it would look something like Peterson asking specific questions and Zizek "answering" with his usual off-road monologues. Seems to me like Zizek brings up interesting points and reveals troubling paradoxes without ever fully delving into them.
I dont think it is interesting. Zizek is "real". Peterson just internet cult leader and biznessmen. Man sell selfhelp book. "Do this and that and you life can change". Its discusting
Alienated TV that's partly true. Peterson's INITIAL fame came as a result of his public stance on transgender pronouns. But his SUSTAINED and continuously growing fame has stemmed from his psychological and philosophical work, upon which his self-help material is based. If all there was to the guy was his anti-trans-pronoun position, he would have faded away long ago.
@@Jomo326He used jokes precisely to illustrate his philosophical points, which would otherwise be much more difficult to convey. And i frankly find it hard to believe you missed his criticism of feminism (metoo), political correctness, his points about Marxism, his problems with Jordan Peterson, his criticism of direct democracy, anti semitism and so much more..
Peoples may find this man’s many tics funny but how many of thoses fools, could even wrapp their minds around even contemplating the very idea to give his lectures in front of international television cameras and in front of the most prestigious academic institutions if they had thoses very same tics or other visible disorders. I believe that the peoples who laugh at this man, being put in his shoes under the same conditions would never leave their hidding places and pretty much die there. I think this man has some of the biggest pair of pure solid brass testicules... and he also happens to be an academic super heavyweight...
Zizek is one of my favorite people to listen to. He says many interesting things here, some of which seem incompatible. 22:21 He says all functioning democracies require a fundamental agreement or consensus in the background, and that the disintegration of this fundamental agreement leads to political polarization and ideological civil war. I agree with that, particularly in the U.S., but there's still a common culture of consumerism holding it together. He then says that he believes we should adopt a "culture of discretion", where people tolerate "otherness". 50:31 He then goes on to say that he believes in "well functioning" bureaucracy, and a society with "proper distances" where people don't have to like each other, or really understand each other, as long as they tolerate each other. Metaphorically, I would describe this position as a kind of ideological isolationism, where multiple ideologies exist and none try to dominate the other. But the problem with this position is that the "well functioning" bureaucracy he envisions is a product of, and subject to, ideology. Really, the fundamental agreement or consensus he described as a necessity for a functioning democracy is just a common ideology. And if the common ideology that united society has disintegrated, how can a new one be established voluntarily? I don't think it can. And that's mainly because when the common ideology disintegrates, so does identity. So the old identity declines (nationalism, democratic liberalism) for several reasons, and new identities gain prominence (political parties). And typically, this fundamental divide and loss of common identity can only be resolved if a nation splits voluntarily, which I don't think ever happens, or through a civil war, which I think almost always happens. But what's interesting about this ideological divide in the U.S. is that it's happening at a time when people are totally dependent on civilization, technology, infrastructure, etc., with a high standard of living, and still united by consumerism, so there is no actual potential for a real civil war. Nor will it split voluntarily, because it would be too disruptive to the economy and infrastructure, and at their core, people are still consumers. It will be interesting to see how this issue resolves, but I suspect that in the long run it won't matter, because everyone will be too busy playing video games.
I agree with your point but. there is probably an answer to your doubts if you read some of his books or watch more talks where he addresses your criticism. He says ecological disaster or some other form of chaos could spark people to create a different system as a result of capitalism. What the new system is he says, he does not know exactly. But, the new system would be something global and, I am guessing less democratic so that ecological disasters and problems that require quicker stronger action can be accomplished. I do not know a lot so take what i say with a grain of sand or salt. I would like to talk or point out the topic of veganism because from my research animal agriculture causes a lot of problems and, I would argue the majority of problems are societies face today. I agree though that the way that humans think and act is ultimately why we have problems. I also am writing this comment just to sound smart lol but, I am trying to just to focus on the problem; and, I learned so much from watching these talks. I cannot wait to buy his books.
Bureaucracy, in my opinion, shouldn't be seen as a product of ideology. It can be envisioned as a structure that interacts with these isolated ideologies but that, at its core, its pure objective is to be efficient in the completition of its processes within society. Whether society has a common ideology or a mixture of isolated ideologies is irrelevant to the functioning of this bureaucracy. However, indeed it will be subject to the ideologies that establish the ends of its administration and processes.
@@ebrem557 Lol no human bureaucracy functions without a common set of beliefs whether it be profit or patriotism. Ideology cannot be disentangled from any organized human endeavor.
Zizek has a lot of interesting things to say, but his critique of wisdom seems to confuse the concept with popular "wise" cliches. Socrates was a lover of "wisdom" as something which he couldn't attain, and Plato certainly didn't see true "sophia" in the sophists. It's odd too, since he is a philosopher and the traditional definition of that term is a "lover of wisdom" - not in the sense of loving popular cliches, but striving towards deeper knowledge (like, say, an understanding of how ideology structures our experience and lifestyles).
The "lover of wisdom" trope, which leads to the development of the hysterical questioning subject Z is staning, is a transvaluation, of the existing wise man/priest figure who "has" or reveals wisdom the, the methods of access always being somewhat mystified and exclusive. Petersons participation in the wise man/preist trope are numerous, but most telling for me is his role as a purveyor of paywalled personality tests.
i think he is saying wisdom is self fulling prophecy that only serves its own oppertunistic purpose that can be somewhat problematic like stabilizing something that is unsustanable like surplue enjoyment, jouiisance...
I get the popular notion of wisdom that he is talking about, but those are all examples of sophism, rhetoric and popular belief. I think the point of being a philosopher is that you recognize that those don't constitute actual wisdom, but only a mirage. It's analogous to pseudoscience as a kind of pseudosophia. By abandoning the concept of wisdom in my mind you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater, since wisdom is itself still a useful concept (recognizing false consciousness and ideology, for example, is a form of wisdom in the Platonic sense - literally, trying to escape the cave). Instead of giving wisdom to false prophets like Peterson, claim it for ourselves.
Zizek is a hegelian and that s why he rejects even the ancient Greek notion of wisdom that you praise. Zizek demands a resolution, he prefers someone like Peterson over philosophers who invest themselves in truth and ponderous philosophical discourses that lack materiality. That s why a lot of philosophers don t like Zizek, claiming he is posturing, he combines film, music, psychoanalysis, cultural criticism, metaphysics, theology, philosophy, politics, economy. He demands unity and thereby transgression... Jordan Peterson is wrong, no question, Zizek hates Jung, but Zizek still prefers an idiot thinker like Peterson over a not-yet-hegelian like Brandom. Peterson may be wrong, but at least he dares to be. Brandom is just hiding behind truth, turning philosophy into some useless language.
The main thing I have always hated about the philosophy community is that so many of us make idols of these thinkers.... they are not infallible and deserve criticism and rebuttals when they make blunders in their arguments. While you may agree with someone on a great many topics, you should be weary of this idolization that isn’t conducive to intellectual rigor or growth..
Do you have an actual point, and is it something that applies to this vid? I ask bc it seems like you're just generalizing and grandstanding for attention. Nothing relevant to say specifically? Fine. Take your spitball shop talk to a more appropriate discussion.
@@VeggieRice I won't repeat my point because it is pretty obvious what I meant. With respect to having anything to say that actually applies to this video, I'm quite confused why you even said that. Comment sections are open spaces for any discussion. I had watched a few videos before watching this and noticed a trend from their comment sections and from in person experience at philosophy lectures/events. I commented what I did to see if it was a phenomenon others noticed as well and it clearly was since some people liked my comment. Just because a discussion seems overgeneralized or pointless to you doesn't make it invalid....
@job RothbergI don't hate the community. You can hate an aspect of something and not hate the thing as a whole. I understand where you are coming from with what you said and while I agree that the community should theoretically be the way you say it is, it is a human endeavor and because of that, it is going to have issues in meeting the theoretical goals it has. I don't think all people are like this or that the community is much worse in this respect than other communities but it's also not perfect. This was just me pointing out an imperfection.
Fair enough. If one holds a philosopher in one's heart how can one become a philosopher? If one holds the buddha in their heart, how can they become a buddha?
He pretty much orated and discussed much of what he has written-- a lot from "Less than Nothing", "Sublime object of Ideology" and of course "Contingency, Hegemony, Universality: Contemporary Dialogues On The Left". Nonetheless, its interesting to listen him!
The text info says he is a psychoanalyst. This is not true. He studied psychoanalytic thought but does not work as an analyst. He has admitted this in other public places, I think it was an interview where he said this.
@@extraemontamontes3618 actually you do. i don't know if zizek is an analyst, but there are rigorous requirements for becoming a qualified psychoanalyst, including doing at least 50 hours of analysis (on yourself) with a qualified analyst in the field.
The best part about these Q&A sessions is how it demystifies an ivy league education and proves definitively that students of Cambridge are no more intelligent than your average 12 year old.
Fools Gold Found agree to a certain degree with your take on Peterson, but you‘re dead wrong on Zizek. One of the greatest intellectual frauds of the past decades.
I warned Daffy about his coke and meth habbit years ago, but no. I said, Daffy, I know it increase your creativity and philosophical ideas, but at what cost, Daffy?! At what cost? Not to mention the toll it will take on your looks and your nervous system will undergo irreparable damage. Did Daffy listen? No.
Zizek's time allocation is like this: 30% of time, saying things; 30% of time, explaining things said; 40% of time, "and so on and so on", beard and nose grabbing, sniffing.
Even though i like Zizek's narrative and has some good points, he is completely misrepresenting JP's ideas and fundamentally I really dont believe they are intellectual enemies . 2 examples are that at 37:08 he says that JP became famous for his reaction in transgender peoples ideas but that was completely not the case. The reason it became viral was because it was a matter of free speech, at no point ever did JP argue for or against transgender ideology, his whole "beef" was with freedom of speech. Also what i've noticed is that everyone who hasn't really put the time to really understand what JP is suggesting about the lobsters just says the classic "Oh he compares lobsters to humans which is mad lets just dispense with it" but the funny thing is that he is specifically referring to the serotonin system and how it works in lobsters and states that its the exact same system we have as humans (which is biologically proven by the way) to prove his point that the importance of hierarchies is biologically built into us. I don't really know why all those who oppose JP say his points are based on pseudo science when like on every point he makes he refers to the studies made and if you go check them the results are in 100% Anyways it would be really interesting to see a debate between them because they have completely different mechanisms to confront problems.
Hopefully someone can reply to this and explain it to me. But i'm skeptical about something zizek is saying from 1:05:00 onwards. He appears to be saying that most people understand Marx' idea of commodity fetishism backwards. The common view of the idea would be that we chase an abstract illusion by elevating commodities as a higher goal beyond their material usefulness. But then zizek says that Marx actually meant to say the opposite thing. Namely that commodity fetishism, when reading marx closely, means that we seek to consciously manufacture our illusion of meaning through the act of gaining material usefulness while being aware of the facade. Or something like that. My problem: isn't the 'common view' exactly what the word 'fetishism' originally means? If zizek is right then why didn't marx call it 'reverse commidity fetishism?'. It seems to me that he used the word for a reason.
I can find the book the student mentions: The Capitalist Unconscious: Marx and Lacan by Samo Tomšič but have nothing to go on to find the books Zizek mentions: one on Brazilian secret police's warped buddhism and the other purportedly with the title "the Nazi ethics" but I find no such book title.
I'm not sure about the book on Brazilian authoritarian spirituality, but I believe the other book he is referring to is actually called "The Nazi Conscience".
he has been touching his watery face, spitting, yet the interviewer looks at him with sheer admiration. That there is the power of brut, radical and being-piercing thought !
***Spoiler Alert*** I was in such a good mood after listening to Zizek, only to have it spoiled by the youngster say that Omorosa will be speaking later. Who's speaking next week? Yanni Varoufakis and Andrew Dice Clay?
Wow I have never listened to Zizek. I know he is a popular figure to the left but I have not gotten around to looking into him before this. I was blown away how much he explained that I can totally relate to. I dont know if he is right as everything we are dealing with a subjective opinion about the state of politics society etc but I have written down at least 5 points which I have had running through my head over the past year. Can anyone explain, unfortunetly I am not the smartest, when he refers to the failure of PC on the left is not that its fanatical, but its precisely not Marxism? In what way is it not?
The idea is that today’s left obfuscates basic questions of power relations and economic relations as cultural problems, problems of tolerance etc. Zizek often points out Martin Luther King Jr. to make the point, namely that if you google his speeches, he never once mentions the word “tolerance.” To him, it would have been laughable to say white people don’t tolerate black people enough, because the problems he identified were socio-economic in nature. I hope this helps clarify the topic
For Maxists, PC concerns about separate race, gender, nationality issues are all distractions from class, and are so by design. Divide the working class along identity lines as the PC pseudo-Left and alt-right do, and you disempower them. Marxists were pretty much always vociferously against PC. Now you are smarter-ish.
samson hahah I’m still dumb as they come. But much appreciated. That makes sense at least as a theory. I guess I need to listen more to Zizek as I too am having difficulties working out where I sit in the PC environment debate. I personally would prefer open free speech that may not be PC but is that what other people like/want, I’m not sure.
@@hamzariazuddin424 Congratulations! 'Not knowing' is true wisdom! We will learn more in one day of 'not knowing' than we will in a 4 years of 'knowing'. The absurd PC brigade are the Petite Bourgeoisie using their privilege to intellectually stomp on the Proletariat... Marx would not approve... ;)
i love zizek, and i agree with him on almost everything, our politics are pretty much identical, but the only reason i’m not a “zizekian” is because is so dogmatically hegelian and lacanian. he always gets caught in the dialectical loop
I love his Lacanian use of something phrased as symbolic castration. That is where we do not get what we inherently desire because of socioeconomic law.
I think Zizek would be more comprehensible if he just told his jokes and linked them by the epistemology of the inexorably paradoxical. But is seems likely that being perfectly understood is his life's mission to avoid. The best thing about him is that he always draws back from actually being prescriptive.
How did I just hear about this guy?! He utterly fascinates me, and has an ability to disarm peoples apprehensions with his speaking style, humor, and authenticity. Really appreciate the talk Slavoj and Cambridge.
I’m not sure the extent to which it’s deliberate; but it’s incredibly similar to the way that students described Hegel’s lectures. That style of orating is philosophically in keeping with Hegel’s dialectic and his contradictions in the Science of Logic. In other words, probably not pablum.
13:15 my dude's never heard of St. Patrick's Day, Oktoberfest, etc...it's fine to celebrate heritage still and pretty clear the difference between white supremacy and asserting pride in identity.
Agree entirely. A Lacanian Marxist well versed in the history of Liberalism, Race and Whiteness Studies would school Zizek. Otherwise, Zizek does make some sound philosophy most of the time, but sadly his ideological symbolic order of whiteness has the fallacy of misplaced concreteness - i.e. Zizek mistakes race as a biological category, yet race is the ideology of capitalism par excellence as laid out in Zizek's own materialist idealist terms.
@@christianmontagu5734 the Irish were not considered "white" until the 20th Century. The Europeans began their taxonomy of race and invented "whiteness" in the 15th Century. Race is not a biological category. All this history is freely available in your local library. And Octoberfest is actually celebrated and fun, I lived in Stuttgart so I know that to be true from my lived experience. Christian, please think again, fascism is not a good look.
Yawn..... I was just pointing out that Irish history is full of oppression, justified by religious notions of the subhuman preceding the slave trade, British colonialism etc so St Patricks day differs dramatically from displays of cultural chauvinism by formally colonial / imperial powers.... I live in Berlin right now and the people I hang out with all think oktoberfest is for Bavarian weirdos.... But whatever, who cares, I never usually write on the internet and never will again... facist my arse mate.
@@_....J........................ Maybe they weren't in a political sense, and race might not be a biological category itself, but it is a grouping of biological traits. Race is largely a group of common phenotypic expressions shared across a population, so I would say you're making a fairly pointless semantic argument there.
Peterson interviewed Pinker,they didn't debate. They agreed on pretty much everything, either Žižek didn't actually watch the video or he is deliberately trying to mislead.
This is a bad lecture for Zizek he's all over the place more than usual. How are students or people unfamiliar supposed to understand what he's talking about if he's all over the place with seemingly random points?
this is literally all of his lectures. the point is just to keep you interested enough to buy his book since most people are retarded and just want to pseudointellectually jerk themselves off by going to a zizek talk. it's like watching lacan talk, it is just entertaining gibberish. his writing is quite rigorous, in contrast
Maybe it's intended for people versed in his work? I didn't really find it a problem at all. Also, how is this different his methodology in his written work? It's usually all over the place lol
@@karlmarx5078 Not necessarily. I'm just imagining being a student and having no familiarity at all and being like "wtf". In his work he usually explains further or has references to explain
14:00 is this thing on renouncing pride in racial culture in whites in order to adopt universality for libidal benefits the underlying motivation for those who would deem white ethno-pride racist?
I don't understand why gender is needed as a necessary part of an identity. Whether I am called a man or a woman does not change my perception of myself, i.e. the identity that I give myself. And the fact whether or not I can identify with the category assigned to me or the other individuals in it does not change my perception of myself. What does a teaspoon have in common with a tablespoon? Are they interchangeable? How often does something like this happen? Is a spoon's identity based on how other people (or spoons) perceive it or how it perceives itself? A serial number, for example, is sufficient to clearly identify a spoon. Whether a serial number describes a spoon or a fork or a knife doesn't matter - well, unless you have utilitarian intentions with these individuals. But the fork can't care less what numbers appear in its serial number. No one (probably including me) can write down the identity that I give myself anyway. How other people (want to) categorize me doesn't matter to me and I can't influence it anyway. Name, date of birth and place of birth are sufficient to identify a human individual. The (biological) gender is not necessary for this, at best as a useful attribute for managing personal data in a medical context.
if hegel was a fucking normal straightforward human being, we could have listened to zizek, without all the nervous ticks and lisps. I think zizek would enjoy himself too.
It's funny to see so many Peterphiles within the comments related to a philosophy lecture when Peterson butchers science and philosophy to suit his sales and branding to his ideological adherents. It's no wonder you want to hear him VS philosophers, as he is inherently contrary to philosophers who employ scientific reasoning rather than appeals to common and popular human baseness.
By the random tongue movements he seems to have tardive dyskinesia, and the fact he had guillain barre makes it more suspicious of SSRI use... hope he knows of Dr. Peter Breggin work... he (Zizek) is brilliant and should be aware of its dangers
Jeez, I just read a few comments and a lot of them are about de "sniffing tic". Is just a tic. If you rewatch the video, you'll notice he do it when he's trying to explain something shortly... Almost all the time..
There is a word he (Zizek) seldomly uses: competition. But in fact he is very competitive in his lectures scanning all the time who knows something about those intellectual topics etc. and who doesn‘t. And he likes to be a little sadist, condescending treating anyone else as fools. He doesn‘t look for competition with females, he prefers competing with males. His endgame is to make his competitor think he is stupid like how he has strewn in now and then while talking endlessly. And one of his tactics is to use vulgar language and making sexual allusions to see if he can provoke his counterpart. So in that way, he really is the usual like he been saying in the end: turning from a fascist into a communist. Whatever communist will mean then. But mostly he is fascist. There is also no talk he ever gave where he does not mention Hitler. Basically, he always tries to trigger people listening to him. No wonder, he seeks power and wants the people to accomodate to it. He is more of a urban, cosmopolitan shaman than a philosopher. And that may be also why he always draws so many young people for an audience.
First the high priest says "O my God I'm nobody, not worthy of your attention...", then the rich merchant says "O my God I'm nobody, not worthy of your attention...", then the professor says "Professor? Did you call me a professor? I'm nobody, not worthy of your attention...",
This is the first video I've seen where it was the audience that was the problem, just the ridiculous look on their faces, the painful expressions, I really wish the camera would stop panning to the crowd, it's just too much, hahahahaha.
his face isn't paralyzed anymore! happy for him
Bells pallsy
Cocaine gives you facial paralysis
@@ilovebjorksomuch3189 That explains the constant sniffing.
World's Strongest Man Hafthor Bjornsson had it, too, recently.
I had a radial ulnar palsy, incapacitated my hand for months. Terrifying
COYG19 But his nose still belongs on a NyQuil commercial
Zizek comment sections are always fascinating. It's always marxists shitting on him because he doesn't worship the USSR, right wingers shitting on him because they think he's a traditional marxist who worships the USSR, and pretentious people who mock him for not being the stereotype of a snobby philosopher.
It's a shame really, the things he says are legitimately interesting.
a lot of that is true but (hold on to your pants) he is Richard spencer´s favorite marxist philosopher
daaronk whaaaat? No way
Andrés Gómez don’t forget the people who have to comment on his sniffing.
@@SherryNiles1312 you bet mario … … i watch quite a few right wing podcasts and he´s mentioned it not once but several times ..
Hombre para comentarios rimbombantes los de la vida moderna pero bueno.... por este comentario tuyo in english ... te doy un treh.... :p
Perfect example of intellectual madness. Love him.
Yes, proper intellectuals must as a matter of course be a little mad.
Happy to see him doing well.
Who would love to see Peterson Vs Zizek?
not particularly.
Jovan Stojkovic Why not?
It might be interesting if Zizek could stay sober enough to maintain some basic level of coherency, but I imagine the whole conversation would consist of Peterson trying to pin Zizek to a specific definition or position.
@@lucasfabisiak9586 As he puts it in the video, Peterson is busy trying to be the wise man - he doesn't theorize the way Professor Zizek does. I also find Peterson to be a little too stiff and not as interested in the questions that Zizek raises.
I would like to see this, but I have a feeling it would look something like Peterson asking specific questions and Zizek "answering" with his usual off-road monologues. Seems to me like Zizek brings up interesting points and reveals troubling paradoxes without ever fully delving into them.
Who wants to see Pavoj Sleterson vs. Zordan Jizek?
Throw in Hiss Chredges and Choam Nomsky and I’m in.
I dont think it is interesting. Zizek is "real". Peterson just internet cult leader and biznessmen. Man sell selfhelp book. "Do this and that and you life can change". Its discusting
@@amphinomous9155 yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
@@amphinomous9155 At least Zizek became a well-known philosopher for his work in philosophy. Peterson's fame has little to do with his academic work.
Alienated TV that's partly true. Peterson's INITIAL fame came as a result of his public stance on transgender pronouns. But his SUSTAINED and continuously growing fame has stemmed from his psychological and philosophical work, upon which his self-help material is based. If all there was to the guy was his anti-trans-pronoun position, he would have faded away long ago.
Really surprised to see people having trouble understanding what he is saying, i had the opposite experience. Every point was articulated very clearly
Lunarwolff Did you light up?
He has point. It's understandable to me. But, he has no evidence and data to support his claims. Only Plato, Hegel, etc.
Data as suggested by you could only cover symptomatology. It's an epistemological problem for you.
He jumps from topic to topic and to me he doesn't seem to make a point. I like his jokes though
@@Jomo326He used jokes precisely to illustrate his philosophical points, which would otherwise be much more difficult to convey. And i frankly find it hard to believe you missed his criticism of feminism (metoo), political correctness, his points about Marxism, his problems with Jordan Peterson, his criticism of direct democracy, anti semitism and so much more..
Peoples may find this man’s many tics funny but how many of thoses fools, could even wrapp their minds around even contemplating the very idea to give his lectures in front of international television cameras and in front of the most prestigious academic institutions if they had thoses very same tics or other visible disorders. I believe that the peoples who laugh at this man, being put in his shoes under the same conditions would never leave their hidding places and pretty much die there. I think this man has some of the biggest pair of pure solid brass testicules... and he also happens to be an academic super heavyweight...
Zizek is one of my favorite people to listen to. He says many interesting things here, some of which seem incompatible. 22:21 He says all functioning democracies require a fundamental agreement or consensus in the background, and that the disintegration of this fundamental agreement leads to political polarization and ideological civil war. I agree with that, particularly in the U.S., but there's still a common culture of consumerism holding it together. He then says that he believes we should adopt a "culture of discretion", where people tolerate "otherness". 50:31 He then goes on to say that he believes in "well functioning" bureaucracy, and a society with "proper distances" where people don't have to like each other, or really understand each other, as long as they tolerate each other. Metaphorically, I would describe this position as a kind of ideological isolationism, where multiple ideologies exist and none try to dominate the other. But the problem with this position is that the "well functioning" bureaucracy he envisions is a product of, and subject to, ideology. Really, the fundamental agreement or consensus he described as a necessity for a functioning democracy is just a common ideology.
And if the common ideology that united society has disintegrated, how can a new one be established voluntarily? I don't think it can. And that's mainly because when the common ideology disintegrates, so does identity. So the old identity declines (nationalism, democratic liberalism) for several reasons, and new identities gain prominence (political parties). And typically, this fundamental divide and loss of common identity can only be resolved if a nation splits voluntarily, which I don't think ever happens, or through a civil war, which I think almost always happens.
But what's interesting about this ideological divide in the U.S. is that it's happening at a time when people are totally dependent on civilization, technology, infrastructure, etc., with a high standard of living, and still united by consumerism, so there is no actual potential for a real civil war. Nor will it split voluntarily, because it would be too disruptive to the economy and infrastructure, and at their core, people are still consumers. It will be interesting to see how this issue resolves, but I suspect that in the long run it won't matter, because everyone will be too busy playing video games.
This is such a well written point.
I agree with your point but. there is probably an answer to your doubts if you read some of his books or watch more talks where he addresses your criticism. He says ecological disaster or some other form of chaos could spark people to create a different system as a result of capitalism. What the new system is he says, he does not know exactly. But, the new system would be something global and, I am guessing less democratic so that ecological disasters and problems that require quicker stronger action can be accomplished. I do not know a lot so take what i say with a grain of sand or salt. I would like to talk or point out the topic of veganism because from my research animal agriculture causes a lot of problems and, I would argue the majority of problems are societies face today. I agree though that the way that humans think and act is ultimately why we have problems. I also am writing this comment just to sound smart lol but, I am trying to just to focus on the problem; and, I learned so much from watching these talks. I cannot wait to buy his books.
Bureaucracy, in my opinion, shouldn't be seen as a product of ideology. It can be envisioned as a structure that interacts with these isolated ideologies but that, at its core, its pure objective is to be efficient in the completition of its processes within society. Whether society has a common ideology or a mixture of isolated ideologies is irrelevant to the functioning of this bureaucracy. However, indeed it will be subject to the ideologies that establish the ends of its administration and processes.
@@ebrem557 Lol no human bureaucracy functions without a common set of beliefs whether it be profit or patriotism. Ideology cannot be disentangled from any organized human endeavor.
Healthcare must be really bad in Slovenia if Zizek has had a cold for the last 20 years
At least better than America.
@Douglas Sirk lol, yes.
you have no idea how good it is compared to US and other parts of the world
I just hope someone sanitized the podium after he finished. Good grief!
That's another reason why communist Yugoslavia should come back
Smart man Slavoj Zizec. He pretends to have these nervous tics so that people get frustrated watching him and buying his books.
Ha ha
Love Zizek.. Thank you for the upload.
What I really enjoy about zizek is how he's in a way the ultimate centrist, he will find something to critique in any movement and its extremes.
2:24 cameraman thinks Hermione's cute
4:15 Hermione picks a booger
She's still cute tho
@@arhael1 that, she is.
how about mast... in publ... ? 1:12:20
nejcasx lol, that guy in his fuckin shorts rubbing his junk? Thanks, I missed that 😂
The air was as dry as my humour, so she had no choice.
I have cited him but I will never shake his hand, never.
Must be hard to be a germaphobe.
Tip from the pros: go in for the Roman forearm grab.
1drkstr ha! I said the same thing on a different video
@@pathocrat What do you do with the elbow full of snot?
hahah true that
This is my favourite stand up set.
My god I have the same shoes as Slavoj! That is the comodity fetishism at it's purest as those are very comfortable and have no shoelaces.
He's pouring the great thoughts directly from his nose via his hands. Brilliant.
I almost spit my tea jajaj
with all due respect to this man, i would decline any offer to shake his hand!
You don't like old man snot and titty sweat?!
Karl Urbahn Just how much respect is then due in this case? Without any respect you would decline....
Why would he offer you that
Ja, ich verstehe.
Especially nowadays 😐
Slavoj's slip of the tongue at 25:20 is so great dark humor.
Critique of Jordan Peterson, at 32:25 onwards.
Zizek has a lot of interesting things to say, but his critique of wisdom seems to confuse the concept with popular "wise" cliches. Socrates was a lover of "wisdom" as something which he couldn't attain, and Plato certainly didn't see true "sophia" in the sophists. It's odd too, since he is a philosopher and the traditional definition of that term is a "lover of wisdom" - not in the sense of loving popular cliches, but striving towards deeper knowledge (like, say, an understanding of how ideology structures our experience and lifestyles).
The "lover of wisdom" trope, which leads to the development of the hysterical questioning subject Z is staning, is a transvaluation, of the existing wise man/priest figure who "has" or reveals wisdom the, the methods of access always being somewhat mystified and exclusive. Petersons participation in the wise man/preist trope are numerous, but most telling for me is his role as a purveyor of paywalled personality tests.
i think he is saying wisdom is self fulling prophecy that only serves its own oppertunistic purpose that can be somewhat problematic like stabilizing something that is unsustanable like surplue enjoyment, jouiisance...
I get the popular notion of wisdom that he is talking about, but those are all examples of sophism, rhetoric and popular belief. I think the point of being a philosopher is that you recognize that those don't constitute actual wisdom, but only a mirage. It's analogous to pseudoscience as a kind of pseudosophia. By abandoning the concept of wisdom in my mind you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater, since wisdom is itself still a useful concept (recognizing false consciousness and ideology, for example, is a form of wisdom in the Platonic sense - literally, trying to escape the cave). Instead of giving wisdom to false prophets like Peterson, claim it for ourselves.
Zizek is a hegelian and that s why he rejects even the ancient Greek notion of wisdom that you praise. Zizek demands a resolution, he prefers someone like Peterson over philosophers who invest themselves in truth and ponderous philosophical discourses that lack materiality.
That s why a lot of philosophers don t like Zizek, claiming he is posturing, he combines film, music, psychoanalysis, cultural criticism, metaphysics, theology, philosophy, politics, economy. He demands unity and thereby transgression... Jordan Peterson is wrong, no question, Zizek hates Jung, but Zizek still prefers an idiot thinker like Peterson over a not-yet-hegelian like Brandom.
Peterson may be wrong, but at least he dares to be. Brandom is just hiding behind truth, turning philosophy into some useless language.
thanks for putting the videos online so quickly !
i cannot believe that there were people in the audience who were just not paying attention to slavoj
Love you .from iran❤
azade azad message me, another Iranian Zizek fan here
The main thing I have always hated about the philosophy community is that so many of us make idols of these thinkers.... they are not infallible and deserve criticism and rebuttals when they make blunders in their arguments. While you may agree with someone on a great many topics, you should be weary of this idolization that isn’t conducive to intellectual rigor or growth..
Do you have an actual point, and is it something that applies to this vid? I ask bc it seems like you're just generalizing and grandstanding for attention. Nothing relevant to say specifically? Fine. Take your spitball shop talk to a more appropriate discussion.
@@VeggieRice I won't repeat my point because it is pretty obvious what I meant. With respect to having anything to say that actually applies to this video, I'm quite confused why you even said that. Comment sections are open spaces for any discussion. I had watched a few videos before watching this and noticed a trend from their comment sections and from in person experience at philosophy lectures/events. I commented what I did to see if it was a phenomenon others noticed as well and it clearly was since some people liked my comment. Just because a discussion seems overgeneralized or pointless to you doesn't make it invalid....
@job RothbergI don't hate the community. You can hate an aspect of something and not hate the thing as a whole. I understand where you are coming from with what you said and while I agree that the community should theoretically be the way you say it is, it is a human endeavor and because of that, it is going to have issues in meeting the theoretical goals it has. I don't think all people are like this or that the community is much worse in this respect than other communities but it's also not perfect. This was just me pointing out an imperfection.
Fair enough. If one holds a philosopher in one's heart how can one become a philosopher? If one holds the buddha in their heart, how can they become a buddha?
5:23 Never seen anyone in history drinking a beer like that! That's epic.
I don't know, if I looked at myself in the mirror during my first sup I might have seen something similar!
Always respect for his authentic move.
01:03:30 Zizek looking at a muslim girl and thinking why she is leaving the hall
He pretty much orated and discussed much of what he has written-- a lot from "Less than Nothing", "Sublime object of Ideology" and of course "Contingency, Hegemony, Universality: Contemporary Dialogues On The Left". Nonetheless, its interesting to listen him!
The text info says he is a psychoanalyst. This is not true. He studied psychoanalytic thought but does not work as an analyst. He has admitted this in other public places, I think it was an interview where he said this.
You don't need to exercise psycoanalisis to be a psycoanalist
He's a theoretical pshychoanalyst :)
They don't do therapy work.
He did actually work as a psychoanalyst for a time early on in his career.
@@extraemontamontes3618 actually you do. i don't know if zizek is an analyst, but there are rigorous requirements for becoming a qualified psychoanalyst, including doing at least 50 hours of analysis (on yourself) with a qualified analyst in the field.
He psychoanalyzes culture and ideology. We are all very, very sick.
Thank you for fixing the spinning shield, that was super distracting.
20:01 ?!?!
Oh waddup Japan man
most people forgot what u did, not us :)
What are people referring to here? Guess I'll have to Google "Nick Robinson".
The best part about these Q&A sessions is how it demystifies an ivy league education and proves definitively that students of Cambridge are no more intelligent than your average 12 year old.
I live very very near cambridge n this is true
I was that guy in Nike shirt with the beer seems like such a nice night out.
Handkerchiefs were thin on the ground that day, a relict of the past, a fading memory of the good old days.
Seriously thought he was flailing harder than usual 'til I realized I had it at 1.25 speed.
Zizek is the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. Jordan Peterson is a bum. Circus act.
if zizek diddnt have that tick, I wouldnt even have been able to tell them apart
Fools Gold Found agree to a certain degree with your take on Peterson, but you‘re dead wrong on Zizek. One of the greatest intellectual frauds of the past decades.
Con RESPETUOSOS saludos 😷 Maestro SlavojZizek.
✍️🕵️🌛💜🌜🕵️🍒🤔✨🌹🍁✨🌏🌎🌍☄️
I warned Daffy about his coke and meth habbit years ago, but no. I said, Daffy, I know it increase your creativity and philosophical ideas, but at what cost, Daffy?! At what cost? Not to mention the toll it will take on your looks and your nervous system will undergo irreparable damage. Did Daffy listen? No.
Zizek's time allocation is like this: 30% of time, saying things; 30% of time, explaining things said; 40% of time, "and so on and so on", beard and nose grabbing, sniffing.
Better than 100 percent of one's time obfuscating your industry's questionable ethics.
Even though i like Zizek's narrative and has some good points, he is completely misrepresenting JP's ideas and fundamentally I really dont believe they are intellectual enemies .
2 examples are that at 37:08 he says that JP became famous for his reaction in transgender peoples ideas but that was completely not the case. The reason it became viral was because it was a matter of free speech, at no point ever did JP argue for or against transgender ideology, his whole "beef" was with freedom of speech. Also what i've noticed is that everyone who hasn't really put the time to really understand what JP is suggesting about the lobsters just says the classic "Oh he compares lobsters to humans which is mad lets just dispense with it" but the funny thing is that he is specifically referring to the serotonin system and how it works in lobsters and states that its the exact same system we have as humans (which is biologically proven by the way) to prove his point that the importance of hierarchies is biologically built into us. I don't really know why all those who oppose JP say his points are based on pseudo science when like on every point he makes he refers to the studies made and if you go check them the results are in 100%
Anyways it would be really interesting to see a debate between them because they have completely different mechanisms to confront problems.
So animals produce serotonin. Brilliant! We are all lobsters now!
Hopefully someone can reply to this and explain it to me. But i'm skeptical about something zizek is saying from 1:05:00 onwards. He appears to be saying that most people understand Marx' idea of commodity fetishism backwards. The common view of the idea would be that we chase an abstract illusion by elevating commodities as a higher goal beyond their material usefulness. But then zizek says that Marx actually meant to say the opposite thing. Namely that commodity fetishism, when reading marx closely, means that we seek to consciously manufacture our illusion of meaning through the act of gaining material usefulness while being aware of the facade. Or something like that. My problem: isn't the 'common view' exactly what the word 'fetishism' originally means? If zizek is right then why didn't marx call it 'reverse commidity fetishism?'. It seems to me that he used the word for a reason.
I can find the book the student mentions: The Capitalist Unconscious: Marx and Lacan by Samo Tomšič but have nothing to go on to find the books Zizek mentions: one on Brazilian secret police's warped buddhism and the other purportedly with the title "the Nazi ethics" but I find no such book title.
I'm not sure about the book on Brazilian authoritarian spirituality, but I believe the other book he is referring to is actually called "The Nazi Conscience".
Hope I never have a nightmare in which I ring a call centre, and this guy answers.
please someone help me to understand the context of this talk? what is he discussing?
He's buzzing like a mofo!
He is not a communist, but a court jester of capitalism in reality.
Can we band together and buy Cambridge uni a decent mic.
"I'm not saying that you here need to get Boris Johnson as PM or whatever"
*2019 has left the chat*
he has been touching his watery face, spitting, yet the interviewer looks at him with sheer admiration. That there is the power of brut, radical and being-piercing thought !
He is very admirable
He mentions Peter Sloterdijk at 29:48
***Spoiler Alert***
I was in such a good mood after listening to Zizek, only to have it spoiled by the youngster say that Omorosa will be speaking later. Who's speaking next week? Yanni Varoufakis and Andrew Dice Clay?
Wow I have never listened to Zizek. I know he is a popular figure to the left but I have not gotten around to looking into him before this. I was blown away how much he explained that I can totally relate to. I dont know if he is right as everything we are dealing with a subjective opinion about the state of politics society etc but I have written down at least 5 points which I have had running through my head over the past year.
Can anyone explain, unfortunetly I am not the smartest, when he refers to the failure of PC on the left is not that its fanatical, but its precisely not Marxism? In what way is it not?
The idea is that today’s left obfuscates basic questions of power relations and economic relations as cultural problems, problems of tolerance etc. Zizek often points out Martin Luther King Jr. to make the point, namely that if you google his speeches, he never once mentions the word “tolerance.” To him, it would have been laughable to say white people don’t tolerate black people enough, because the problems he identified were socio-economic in nature. I hope this helps clarify the topic
For Maxists, PC concerns about separate race, gender, nationality issues are all distractions from class, and are so by design. Divide the working class along identity lines as the PC pseudo-Left and alt-right do, and you disempower them. Marxists were pretty much always vociferously against PC. Now you are smarter-ish.
Allen Dish wow ok thanks for this. I guess I need to look more into Zizek and his philosophy
samson hahah I’m still dumb as they come. But much appreciated. That makes sense at least as a theory. I guess I need to listen more to Zizek as I too am having difficulties working out where I sit in the PC environment debate. I personally would prefer open free speech that may not be PC but is that what other people like/want, I’m not sure.
@@hamzariazuddin424 Congratulations! 'Not knowing' is true wisdom! We will learn more in one day of 'not knowing' than we will in a 4 years of 'knowing'.
The absurd PC brigade are the Petite Bourgeoisie using their privilege to intellectually stomp on the Proletariat... Marx would not approve... ;)
When is the Peterson bit?
Listen from around 36:00
i love zizek, and i agree with him on almost everything, our politics are pretty much identical, but the only reason i’m not a “zizekian” is because is so dogmatically hegelian and lacanian. he always gets caught in the dialectical loop
Thank you Slavoj for getting to the heart of the matter. We are all "+" , ha ha ha. I do not think Jordan would disagree.
Poor guy surely prepared lots of clever questions only to ask two.
Why do these kids look so bored?!?! lemme take your seat!! I'd be cracking up with a huge smile!!!
they're from cambridge they're all like this
which book on brazil is he talking about??
I love his Lacanian use of something phrased as symbolic castration. That is where we do not get what we inherently desire because of socioeconomic law.
When you listen to this interview instead of watching you are guessing if Zizek is sniffing lines of coke as he moves to explanation
It's makes sense because word of mouth and analouge ads are still the most effective way to promote a product.
Imagine him and a few buddies and students around a campfire giving this speech. :)
Peterson doesn't deserve to be in the same room with our friend, Slavoj.
Rubbish! They would probably get on quite well. They are both high calibre guys who could have a reasoned exchange. I would love to see that.
I think Zizek would be more comprehensible if he just told his jokes and linked them by the epistemology of the inexorably paradoxical. But is seems likely that being perfectly understood is his life's mission to avoid. The best thing about him is that he always draws back from actually being prescriptive.
How did I just hear about this guy?! He utterly fascinates me, and has an ability to disarm peoples apprehensions with his speaking style, humor, and authenticity. Really appreciate the talk Slavoj and Cambridge.
"His speaking stile,humor,and authenticity"That's all .
Not a fan of the questions but it would be great if Zizek would answer them.
i like how he never has time to go to the arguments :D. his lectures always lack structure. they are like bunch of association chains.
@ no *supplemental*.
I’m not sure the extent to which it’s deliberate; but it’s incredibly similar to the way that students described Hegel’s lectures. That style of orating is philosophically in keeping with Hegel’s dialectic and his contradictions in the Science of Logic.
In other words, probably not pablum.
23:30 the guy sleeping lol
But a few seconds later Zizek woke him up with an authoritarian sniff, at least.
Igor Yukht haha
If I were in the audience I would be so tempted to sneak up to him to offer him a tissue.
Is the guy with the Nike t-shirt drinking a pint? (Not judging, though. It's me being morbidly curious).
This one is excellent
13:15 my dude's never heard of St. Patrick's Day, Oktoberfest, etc...it's fine to celebrate heritage still and pretty clear the difference between white supremacy and asserting pride in identity.
Agree entirely. A Lacanian Marxist well versed in the history of Liberalism, Race and Whiteness Studies would school Zizek. Otherwise, Zizek does make some sound philosophy most of the time, but sadly his ideological symbolic order of whiteness has the fallacy of misplaced concreteness - i.e. Zizek mistakes race as a biological category, yet race is the ideology of capitalism par excellence as laid out in Zizek's own materialist idealist terms.
The Irish are perhaps the original victims of racism. Oktoberfest is considered embarrassingly parochial and nationalist in Germany.
@@christianmontagu5734 the Irish were not considered "white" until the 20th Century. The Europeans began their taxonomy of race and invented "whiteness" in the 15th Century. Race is not a biological category. All this history is freely available in your local library. And Octoberfest is actually celebrated and fun, I lived in Stuttgart so I know that to be true from my lived experience. Christian, please think again, fascism is not a good look.
Yawn..... I was just pointing out that Irish history is full of oppression, justified by religious notions of the subhuman preceding the slave trade, British colonialism etc so St Patricks day differs dramatically from displays of cultural chauvinism by formally colonial / imperial powers.... I live in Berlin right now and the people I hang out with all think oktoberfest is for Bavarian weirdos.... But whatever, who cares, I never usually write on the internet and never will again... facist my arse mate.
@@_....J........................ Maybe they weren't in a political sense, and race might not be a biological category itself, but it is a grouping of biological traits. Race is largely a group of common phenotypic expressions shared across a population, so I would say you're making a fairly pointless semantic argument there.
"I will finish with a very naive point. I hope you will agree."
Peterson interviewed Pinker,they didn't debate. They agreed on pretty much everything, either Žižek didn't actually watch the video or he is deliberately trying to mislead.
somebody in tweed and the guy opposite to him in shorts, gotta love this place
Does anyone shake his hand after the speech?
This is a bad lecture for Zizek he's all over the place more than usual. How are students or people unfamiliar supposed to understand what he's talking about if he's all over the place with seemingly random points?
this is literally all of his lectures. the point is just to keep you interested enough to buy his book since most people are retarded and just want to pseudointellectually jerk themselves off by going to a zizek talk. it's like watching lacan talk, it is just entertaining gibberish. his writing is quite rigorous, in contrast
Maybe it's intended for people versed in his work? I didn't really find it a problem at all. Also, how is this different his methodology in his written work? It's usually all over the place lol
@@karlmarx5078 Not necessarily. I'm just imagining being a student and having no familiarity at all and being like "wtf". In his work he usually explains further or has references to explain
Heidegger advised to philosophize outside of the academy for a reason.
So that other academics would get rounded up by Nazis while he sat in his office?
lol touche @@jonnyblack8101
14:00 is this thing on renouncing pride in racial culture in whites in order to adopt universality for libidal benefits the underlying motivation for those who would deem white ethno-pride racist?
i want to get wired like zizek and ramble on to a bunch rich kids
I don't understand why gender is needed as a necessary part of an identity. Whether I am called a man or a woman does not change my perception of myself, i.e. the identity that I give myself. And the fact whether or not I can identify with the category assigned to me or the other individuals in it does not change my perception of myself. What does a teaspoon have in common with a tablespoon? Are they interchangeable? How often does something like this happen? Is a spoon's identity based on how other people (or spoons) perceive it or how it perceives itself? A serial number, for example, is sufficient to clearly identify a spoon. Whether a serial number describes a spoon or a fork or a knife doesn't matter - well, unless you have utilitarian intentions with these individuals. But the fork can't care less what numbers appear in its serial number.
No one (probably including me) can write down the identity that I give myself anyway. How other people (want to) categorize me doesn't matter to me and I can't influence it anyway. Name, date of birth and place of birth are sufficient to identify a human individual. The (biological) gender is not necessary for this, at best as a useful attribute for managing personal data in a medical context.
if hegel was a fucking normal straightforward human being, we could have listened to zizek, without all the nervous ticks and lisps. I think zizek would enjoy himself too.
I'm glad he recoverd from the palsy.
Body language of the guy with the green vest kills me 😂 He really hates Zizek
It's good to see wearing HI-Vis vests indoors appears in all classes.
It's funny to see so many Peterphiles within the comments related to a philosophy lecture when Peterson butchers science and philosophy to suit his sales and branding to his ideological adherents. It's no wonder you want to hear him VS philosophers, as he is inherently contrary to philosophers who employ scientific reasoning rather than appeals to common and popular human baseness.
Give the devil his due, Peterson is an excellent psychologist
By the random tongue movements he seems to have tardive dyskinesia, and the fact he had guillain barre makes it more suspicious of SSRI use... hope he knows of Dr. Peter Breggin work... he (Zizek) is brilliant and should be aware of its dangers
Jeez, I just read a few comments and a lot of them are about de "sniffing tic". Is just a tic. If you rewatch the video, you'll notice he do it when he's trying to explain something shortly... Almost all the time..
hard to understand a lot of his points.
fascinating guy
Intro sounds like a 90s VHS
Fantastic through out hitting something interesting..
The last thing you would expect from Zizek, is that he would be wearing a wedding band - a true monogamist - would you have guessed?
He reminds me so much of Heidegger, so strange cos I haven’t really been following this guy.
There is a word he (Zizek) seldomly uses: competition. But in fact he is very competitive in his lectures scanning all the time who knows something about those intellectual topics etc. and who doesn‘t. And he likes to be a little sadist, condescending treating anyone else as fools. He doesn‘t look for competition with females, he prefers competing with males. His endgame is to make his competitor think he is stupid like how he has strewn in now and then while talking endlessly. And one of his tactics is to use vulgar language and making sexual allusions to see if he can provoke his counterpart. So in that way, he really is the usual like he been saying in the end: turning from a fascist into a communist. Whatever communist will mean then. But mostly he is fascist. There is also no talk he ever gave where he does not mention Hitler. Basically, he always tries to trigger people listening to him. No wonder, he seeks power and wants the people to accomodate to it. He is more of a urban, cosmopolitan shaman than a philosopher. And that may be also why he always draws so many young people for an audience.
Mans at the beginning is wearing the world's longest tie lmao
First the high priest says "O my God I'm nobody, not worthy of your attention...", then the rich merchant says "O my God I'm nobody, not worthy of your attention...", then the professor says "Professor? Did you call me a professor? I'm nobody, not worthy of your attention...",
This is the first video I've seen where it was the audience that was the problem, just the ridiculous look on their faces, the painful expressions, I really wish the camera would stop panning to the crowd, it's just too much, hahahahaha.
8:43 that woman's eyebrow raise in the background when Zizek said hysteria is feminine.