What is Patreon & Why I Don't Use Patreon?
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2017
- What is Patreon and Why I Don't Use Patreon?
In thise video I briefly talk about what Patreon is, how it helps creators, and why I prefer NOT to use Patreon.
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If you got this far. You're rad. Up top! high five
The amazing thing is that you can have both my dude
I like the way you think. I keep hearing about this patreon thing and looked it up and your philosophy is spot on
Yeah if your viewers paid you it kinda makes them your boss in away, I totally get why that would ruin the experience.
This is the first video of yours that i have seen, and i'm subscribing just because you seem like a really really nice guy. I could be wrong, but I'm not.
Same reason that I've subscribed.
Ditto!
Could be
Right? Same!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. As a creator and a viewer I wanted to explore this topic a bit. I have a cooking/food channel and I don't have enough of a following for this to be an issue yet (and probably won't need to worry about it for a long time yet), but as a viewer I sometimes feel I should contribute financially to channels like mine, where the creators must be spending a lot of money on ingredients to cook their dishes or meals to share & review with their viewers.
So far, this blogger is the sincerest that I have seen.and I love it. Just a simple and very small wanna-be-blogger from Philippines. I wonder if you've been to the country. Hopefully to see your future videos. I love the content and the way you make words. You're amazing. Just passed by.
I do not wanna earn money from my friends. I like to create and transmit my followers my experiences for their culture benefit. BUT I like them to have the possibility to support me so I have more time and more resources in their own benefit. If this is possible, why should I do not give them that opportunity? Nobody is bound to pay me. Patreon is an option.
They are not my friends but my followers and I'm not using Patreon at all.
I absolutely appreciate the values you have for your self and your followers and now I’m a forever follower. Your amazing
I don't know what your doing or why your doing it but dude your getting my likes, subscribe and notifications. Big ups to you
My daddy, the wisest man ever taught me this brilliant philosophy: "Gotta eat."
If money was the limiting factor than you could make causality. If a content creator is creating their content as a job they need to make that clear. They aren't doing it for fun or for genuine interest, it's for money because they're working.
It's a business ethics problem.
@@NeonCicada it's a bullshit not work. Do you know how many people have to work hard to achieve anything, and those stupid blogers and others just ripping people off, and doing nothing. In our days you can literally do nothing, sit on your ass and get rich.
I appreciate the honesty. Like you, but with far fewer subs, I too am a content creator. I do what I do because I want to add value to the lives of my subs. Not because I'm trying to use their money to build a better workshop. Patreon has not brought the RUclips community closer together. Just the opposite. Now, because I'm not a member of the club, I get sub-standard content. That's bullshit!
Glad i found you! Searched about Patreon and you came up. Just starting my vlogging career, and definitely down with the outdoors stuff
Thanks for this ! Great explaination !
Very informative... Thank you for your honesty I’ve Subscribed and can’t wait to see the next video!
I could listen to you all day. Your voice is so soothing.
Good for you! Did you establish a stream of income before doing this?
just subbed, your content is def what we love :-)
This is the first video I have watched of yours, I really like your views and opinions. I have Subscribed and look forward to checking out your content. I would love to work with you and anyone else. I have just started back up on RUclips and am looking forward to pumping out some good content. Thanks!
Just seen this video u are a amazing person and I am now gonna follow you! Thank you for being a nice humble human lol
I agree. I can see a channel holder feeling pressed to put out content, even it's content that channel holder wouldnt normally put out.
Thank you for the clarification, you explained it exquisitely.
I hope your channel hits 100m soon 👍
Thats what I wanted to be free and have people like me for why I enjoy being a creator I do something that I love. Thank you so much you give me more of a motivation to work hard.
Ha ha, I love you. I don’t want your money, I just want attention. Thanks for the honesty. I gave you a like.
I can dig it man, your channel your content your relationship. You do you and keep it real. I'm considering taking the plunge into content creation and researching different funding opportunities. I tend to agree with your take.
Yep! You are right... thanks for sharing that....😀😀😀
Love your energy and explanation of Patreon. I definitely don't understand this philosophy because when you're helping people you actually get rewarded from the universe with financial rewards. You have a great look, very articulated, and clearly with this mantra have a strong desire to help people, so I'd start being open to taking subs money if I was you! Happy holidays and god bless
Justin your opinion and feelings though not the norm, I find admirable..you fit the image of a true artist
Love this
Honestly your a good person and I just subbed you. We need more people like you
I really admire your attitude and wish more people would follow this way aswell!
If more people where like him RUclips would be better but sadly Patreon is starting to flood RUclips and many channels I had to unsubscribe from because they where going to far with it.
Thank you for this video!!!
Thank you for your honesty and humbleness blessings to you today
Love the video thanks bro
wow a true freelancer! i just subscribed. totally cool man.. wish the world was like this...
sugar raj
Why would he want us to subscribe to his channel?
@@ahwasright1364 lol
@@johnkoepke4807 cause it's free 😛
Makes perfect sense to me, man. Thank you very much.
How do you acquire food n shelter etc?
Congrats brother you're being authenticity
Your audio is near perfect. What type of microphone do you use / what is your set-up ? It is just terrific.
Once i’m off my feet more with the vlogging stuff i’d love to collab!
New subscriber here. Love your energy
Bravo!!!!
I think you are a bit lost. People don't give creators money to have influence over them, feel like they are owed something or to change the relationship. The reason people give creators money is because they *value* the content being produced. Example: I remember someone donating $300 to a streamer because he said everyday he watch the creator because it brings laughter in their life and take away from the pain of losing a love one. Yes there can be donators who give to try and influence the creator but majority of the time that is not the case.
koolyo2foots truth
koolyo2foots yup but what tbe guy just said in this video is He doesn't want money from this experience, so Hes not lost, He doesn't want it. Not everything is about money.
Well ok, but family & friends can watch for free, but understand that people pledge because they WANT TO. Giving them an avenue to appreciate and support your work financially may enhance your relationship rather than diminish it. I guess it's about intentions, at the end of the day, the preferences are yours and we respect that.
*bullshit*
False!
Over time, comment created start becoming biased.. Happened to the best of channels that got on patreon
Absolutely understandable.
Respect bro, subbed
This guy's amazing in the way he thinks. There are youtube people that are literally begging for support on patreon. It annoys me so much. Sounds too much like wanting a had out and begging.
Totally respect this guy. I think its a personal choice. Like, some people spend a lot on investments to create content, and they dont have a stable amount of income to keep going, but they know that its something they want to keep doing. Thats when Patreon comes in handy. But there are people who have fans that cant get enough of their content and would willingly pay to have access to them, which I think is a great thing honestly because that just changes the whole "starving artist" belief.
Wow, you are extremely refreshing!
You seem to be a good guy 👍
I agree too many subscriptions sites, it’s overly saturated and annoying.
Honest guy
so you mean if I become a patreon I gotta pay you monthly ?
You’re awesome
What do you think of stan.me? easier to manage i think
You travel around in your van and find things to do kinda deal? I've got an experience for you if you're ever in Canada.... With my hypnogogic light... working on a video right now that will be done at the end of the month and posted on my RUclips... that be kinda cool right? Check out Lucia number 3 hypnogogic light....
Justin, great video. Thank you. I get what you're saying re money, and until recently, I would have agreed with you 100%. In the last couple of years, I've made the conscious choice to look at money differently. As woo-woo and new-agey as it might sound, I now look at $ as "energy." In the same way I've come to regard creativity as an energy that moves through me and is transformed into music or a painting or a guided meditation. So, as I prepare to launch a Patreon page, I'm looking at any money that comes in as energy, to transform into content, that goes out and cycles through my patrons and the world at large. We'll see how this theory holds up, and always open to revising my perspectives. - Paul
money talks, after all.
Why did you leave making RUclips videos
You are gorgeous!! I am a degerative brain disease, autoimmune disease specialist. I am also a Autistic/Dyslexic theripist/Nutricutial and Master Heraligist. I CAN'T pracice without having away to cut down those that need my individual attention, consultation, etc.
I'd collab with you bro. Hit up the trails maybe explore a cool abandoned spot
Is patron safe?
And I don't believe this video has anything to do with Patreon. This is a video about your desire to not accept money from others. That would have been a better header for you.
I don't get your point. Isn't it Patreon a way to ask for money, a way to accept money from people?
Your lifestyle is awesome, but a not so humble question - how do you make a living as travelling content creator?
trust fund kid
I'm curious, how do you survive?
You can also give no rewards and that is no problem. This is a volutary thing and freedom is behind it and in my view it is totally ok.
totally agree mate, if i like and enjoy your content I'll throw a few bucks your way, just to help out & say thanks
Patreon is necessary though, for some people,if you haven't the funds for the accessories, say,technological equipment if you're in a studio. Patreon is a helluva better way to get financial back up, then some others ways where you're restricted about what you can, and can't talk about, that sucks bad. I understand and agree with what you say but if I like videos and there content enough, I don't mind paying a few dollars a month for you to carry on doing your work.
You are awesome 👏
What I'm getting from this is that Patreon is like if Twitch and RUclips came together. You can make videos that aren't just gaming videos, but you can still get donations and such from your viewers.
Hey man I like your video and why you don’t use Patreon- I want to start a RUclips channel but I want it to be different I just have no clue what maybe you could help give me some inspiration!
word keep it real bro
Agreed 100%
you're awesome
Subbed 😁
thank you. I wanted to join Patreon but it is a pain in the ass to even get the site to load. NEVERMIND get to the vids which I never could do .. I did want to support a particular artist but the site is set up that you need a computer science degree to use IMHO.
How about like a list of cool places to visit ? Along with video clips of those place you have visit ?
I'd love to see more creators like you, Justin!
Interesting point of view. The question is where does your income come from- in order to keep up the good content flowing??
agree. He must've been a rich dude that retired young.
he plays for the phoenix suns and he goes by the name of ricky rubio
Thanks for sharing your vision. I cannot help but asking: Seems like you have more of a problem with receiving money the with the patreon system? To me, as an artist, I am very resourced by knowing I am contributing to others life, yet I wanne sustain myself and in that I am willing to receive acknowlegment AND monetary contributions. As an artist I contribute to society to peoples life, why not receive the stream coming back to me? A person having a bakery would not say , I make you bread but I don't want money for it? Same goes for me with art and contentvideos (even more so, cause their value is so related to your personal story!) Making yourself dependent on them in relation to censoring yourself in content is a choice, I reckon. I am more like 'You want to support me, thank you dearly, but I don't see why that would stand in the way of my freedom to decide upon my artistic choices, (or in your case content making.)
Good points, but don't forget that a bakery (or other business that makes & sells a product) has overhead to pay for. If they gave their product away, they literally wouldn't be able to stay in business. RUclips is a free platform and I personally find myself wondering what some of these creators spend their Patreon funds on - I mean, when they say it helps them to continue creating content, what does that really mean? How does it help. As a VERY small channel myself, I do feel there might be a place for accepting funds in my future, but I don't know that I could ever take that step - expecting my viewers to fund something I started doing for fun to hopefully help them in their daily lives.
Cool
@@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen artists, who produces intangible products, do have overheads... theres bills, food, clothes, rent, etc...
@@AbdulMulthalibMusa I get where you're coming from, but that's not overhead, those are living expenses.
@@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen so if a full-time artist who works alone from a rented home, frequently buys canvas, paint, machineries, equipment and tools, are considered living expenses?
I'll expect no response to this in advance......how do you sustain yourself?
IF WE LIKE WHAT U BEEN DOING WE WANT TO SUPPORT U...THATS ALL IT MEANS....RUclips will change things and Patreon will help u survive the changes
How do you decide who you will or won't support? Would you/do you patronize every channel you subscribe to? Where do you draw the line? This is something I really struggle with since I sub to a lot of channels and listen to lots of podcasts. Just honestly curious - not judging in any way.
Wow ......excellentbpoint i just downloaded patreon and did not know that this is how it works! I thought they could see videos and i cet paid😐.
Hey Justin want a new sticker for your bottle?
you may not want my money...but i want your hair! XD
in the great words of fry from futurerama im like , shut up and take my money, besides it would provide funding for projects that your fans want too see.
I don’t know why some websites platforms have to do stuff like that just so a viewer can watch content from other people. I know the content creator gets paid but still, I kinda hate stuff like that ☹️
Arrrhhh, I have found my soulmate. Mate, you're handsome!
He is one of the few guys out there who can actually pull of the long hair thing and still be freakin' hot!
Yeah you are putting up some sense here. If the magic of RUclips is free video on demand who would want to pay? Right?
Who doesn't like free good stuff? Then as long as it is not abused I rather watch short commercials in exchange and creators can profit that way.
I don't know if I'm the only one here but I HATE BILLS.
You're awesome. One of my favorite artists has a patreon but ugh I know people need money but it diminished my respect after looking into it. Like you said business transaction.
Relations are important so i don't want your money right said brother.
Dream Big of course relationships > money but it doesn't mean you can't be paid for being good at what you do.
But things must be good to pay why not?
Yes yes yes
This is the best video i just don't now wy you dont want money
I have seen artists on utube that do live shows with their patreons talking and giving suggestions to do certain things while creating their art, and I can actually see discomfort and cringe in their faces while trying to be polite to the patreons while doing it....I think some of the patreons like the power that giving money to someone to more or less follow orders for the money. Just my observation.
I love your videos I am a content creator as well I think it would be cool to colab , but right now I just started so I’m trying to grow myself first before I colab zith done big names like yourself
I don't mind content creators using Patreon with its rewards if they put the same rewards on every level and the rewards are not the type that should be given to all the creators subscribers, or they have no rewards at all. It is hurtful to subscribe to a channel and later find out that, because you are not on Patreon you do not get to see videos, photos, live streams and such even if you monetarily supported the channel in other ways. Sadly, many who use Patreon fail to set up a second way to monetarily support their channel or when they do, they do not give "rewards" to those who are contributing whenever and how much they can. I believe a content creators should care about all their subscribers-those who can pay a monthly amount, those who can only pay whatever and whenever they can and those who can only support by watching, liking and commenting. No content creator should hold any material they produce as hostage, only allowing some to see it.
Show us the Salton Sea
Thanks for explaining Patreon. It'll be a cold day in Hell before I give the Big Raja money so he play the slot machines on RUclips.
I'm the same way I'm not going to support a channel where all they do is buy booze and BS with the money viewers send them.
So, how are you making money? It sounds great that you want to dp this for thrills, but the reality of life is that we have to work to pay our bills. Unless you already have money...just curious.
Well done. I loathe Patreon. Honest post.
Whoa you have a right to your beliefs but, the implication is that receiving money for work is wrong- unless this sin't work for you. Clearly we all need money to eat so how do you earn your money- you don't earn from youtube, someone else is paying for your work. So somewhere money is exchanged- you provide value (in some way in your life) and people pay you for that. So you are choosing to exclude RUclips as a part of your income and that's ok.
Yoga Bliss Dance He even said He is not putting down the service, if He enjoys doing it for free, so what.
Damn!! This was definitely the wrong vid!!
I’m a visual artist...would love to collaborate my work with your great 👍🏽 auditory “reviews & description” of my work....let me know if you want to talk about my bees 🐝 my bee designs, essential oils, jewelry, pet products, Hawaii, flying small planes, Apiarist, a all natural...no pesticide farming, dogs, goats, and clean environment stuff....I do quite a bit...not much time to talk to peeps online.
ricky rubio?
I respect your position, just my small thought, is you open a patreon account, and you use this money for invest in your channel, like technology or different aventures, your viewers can get more. And open oportunities that maybe without the help off the viewers you and the viewers will not have. Posting the same content in both places, they will be not difference between people from RUclips and people from patreon. In this way the people who won to support you they can do. But i do really respect your position.
This video's title should be "Why I don't want donations" instead of "Why I don't use patreon"