Is there anyone else who randomly out of nowhere got recommended this dude's video, watched it and now keeps getting new recommendations even though you don't know anything about archery?
Happened to just now ^^ just got recommended this video even though it's been like 2 years since I last watched any of his videos. When I got any of his videos recommended to me out of nowhere the last time it got my girlfriend into archery so ...
I am a total beginner. Your videos are extremely helpful to me. I can avoid bad habits, that once established, are difficult to correct. Thank you for posting these videos.
The first thing I learned shooting rifles was not to elevate high. It's universal I'd say. On that point it amazes me how much archery and fire arms connect in practice. Thank you for these videos. I'm looking at getting back into archery once I can stand and walk again. Broke my leg at work.
This channel is amazing and really helpful since I'm basically learning how to shoot by just going out and practicing. I guess I'll start setting up boundaries for myself and working on my draw
In other words, consideration and courtesy for other fellow archers. Same with firing ranges, stay in your own lane, aim straight at your own target, and definitely no wild swinging of your firearm.
I shoot for NASP and at our national tournament I had one judge who would scream at you if you were kneeling while scoring and had another who would pull out a magnifying glass to see if your arrow was touching the line.
None in my family are amateur nor profesional, but even they taught me about keeping vertical the bow. My mom was specially picky about it and the shoulder height thing...
Excellent video! Straight forward video that I will be sharing with my kids. We shoot mostly outdoors, so it is not an issue, but this goes over some great range safety stuff.
Thanks for bringing the topic up, I'm glad I know about this because I've just entered for my first archery tournament ( junior national tournament in April ), I don't want to go through the tournament and realise that what I've been doing was not complying with the rules.
I broke my habit of high drawing because in the tree stand it is excessive and un-needed movement that can get you spotted by deer. Now i draw across my chest. It’s also easier to put the deer in your sight if you are already drawing in the direction of the deer. At that point you don’t have to come down to get the deer in your sight picture, it’s right there you are just making fine adjustments and putting the right pin on it. Same applies for targets. These are very valid and interesting techniques to work on though! Thank you! I’ve been looking to get into competition archery for some time now.
My school has an unusual hybrid style. While we use western arrow position (left for a righty) and draw (Mediterranean), we do the draw Kyudo style. That is to say we start straight on but above our heads, then bring it down into line in the course of the draw. From what you are saying it sounds like this could be an issue, even though we have never gotten more than strange looks at any tournaments (but we've only done small local stuff, since we are in the middle of nowhere and serve low-income people for the most part).
Makes sense. Kinda like "Keep your weapon aim'd down the range" safety rules I had drilled into me for building a habit that way we never find it easy to aim where accidents could happen. Always had to keep the firearm pointed at a 45 degree angle downwards when not holstered so the bullet on a missfire would hit the ground not become a stray shot and hit someone outside the range. Could only imagine a stressed or beginner bowman at an outdoor range letting go of the shot early while bring down the shot and having it fly past the range hitting someone.
"...past the range hitting someone" that is an unsafe range, therefore improper therefore illegal, and if the range management know it then it is criminal negligence or worse.
If you do a skyward draw in 3d field archery in Australia people go nuts at you. That is because accidentally releasing an arrow with a high poundage bow (most people use their hunting setup) on a range that has targets in various positions to the rear of your target with people moving to and fro, up and down hills and behind trees etc the potential for a serious mishap is much more than target shooting where everyone's targets are parallel and at right angles to the shooting line.
I am in no way an Archer I couldn't even score high enough to earn my archery badge as a Boy Scout I have no idea how I found this channel but my God your accent is Hypnotic I love it
it ain't that hard to improve. trick is having the money time and patience to travel to venues and take part. those bows (and other gear) are anything but cheap. I don't even do archery any more myself, and it was only a hobby for me besides being a potentially valuable skill (not likely) but I may get back into it at some point but i was just using a relatively cheap traditional re curve bow with rubber handle and i got accurate enough to chop my arrows up with other arrow shots.. but watching some of these vids I could probably do so much further out.
@@wepntech Switch to selfbow or primitive or barebow. Much cheaper and really more fun with great people. You want to spend money do compound bow competitions.
HiroVolforto Their technique is actually correct. Many archers are taught to start with the sight above the target and then come down onto the gold when reach full draw. The bow would therefore be aimed at the target during the draw. The newsletter report didn't specify what the illegal technique was. I'm imagining that it involves the draw being completed while the bow is still pointed upwards. There's a difference between setting up above the target (normal) and drawing above the target.
NUSensei So even if during the first half of the draw, the arrow will be pointing above the target, it's ok if the arrow is pointing at the target when close to full draw?
I'm not an official, so I don't know specifically what the call is. I imagine you'd have to be significantly above the target to be called for an illegal draw.
HiroVolforto in a proper western style draw, both the bow hand and draw hand start above the head, and are both lowered while drawing SIMULTANEOUSLY . the arrow is kept LEVEL at all times if done properly. it would not point skyward to be illegal if done properly.
These rules are similar to, for instance, a gun range, the rules are there to minimise any and all possible accidents that could happen. So for someone to ''aim at the sky or anywhere else except the target whilst loading'' is for the safety of others, so that no one gets an arrow to the knee
I get it, if a bow is misfired and it was aimed for example up, there is no telling where the arrow will hit, also others will be competing again and if your equipment touches they will likely get distracted and that can't be 'legal', heck it could even be seen as sabotage I guess.
That stinks. I'm trying to get back into this since shooting collegiate in the late 70's. There's so much I don't remember and to be honest, never really thought about..when you're young you just "do it" with less thinking. But I do know I was actually taught as a "hint" to draw fairly high and settle in to the target just as I reached full draw and clicker went off. It was not only rhythm but a help in pulling poundage. Shot a 62" Black Widow..stacked like mad and loved it. This now is really bad news for me. Thanks for the info.
They should give archers more space left to right. It might slow the event down a little, but having to worry about bumping into people to the left and right of you while firing a bow is just a needless complication.
how much space do you think they should have some of these bow set up only just barely fit into the space as is. if the space becomes larger, the archers like any one in any competition will probably find some way to push that boundary as well. most of these archers seem to change ther setup for different events. so I don't see it being a simple matter of just giving them some space. opperating in limited space is part of the competition they should be able to operate within wtvr ridiculous limit. perhaps separate out the events into more regional tournaments and such too to basically develop more of a qualifying competition for the larger competition like in racing events.
There is no need to worry i learned to use 80 cm in my first 2 hours of training - if you stand still and nock you arrow without tilting you bow you are fine, you can easily use less space
My bow is about 24 lbs, and I only shoot at 18 meters (I don't compete outdoors). I don't think my arrow would fly that far if I were to release it in my draw. Becasue: when I draw my bow I firstly point my bow upwards and hold my drawhand at forehead level. Then I lower my bow and draw to my chin at the same time, I know it sounds weird but It works. This combined with the low poundage in the bow would make it nearly impossible to overshoot an arrow at 50 meters for example.
good info. I have seen compound shooters draw as if theyre gonna shoot the moon out! :) I try to keep mine at or near the target. After watching this video I will be more conscience of it! thanks!
Consider that tournament archers are rolemodels for non-tournament archers. A draw to the side or above the target might be fine for someone with experience and control, but when emulated by a bumbling novice with less discipline on the shooting line, it could result in a dangerous misfire. We're talking very low probability of accidents, but still something easily preventable. Whenever you find yourself mumbling about "Health and Safety gone MAD!", consider whether or not the issue is easily preventable with minor or no downsides, then take a deep breath and let it go. You - and possibly other people - will live longer, happier lives.
The one thing i find odd about this is how many accidental missfires are there? I was in a archery club for 3years and not a single arrow was missfired from anyone from novices that had there first day to experianced actual olympic shooters. (thinking of coming back to archery so watching stuff on it)
pretty sure the whole drawing at or below the height of the target is more of a safety rule then a technical one, on the off chance that the shooter loses his grip mid draw and the arrow releases prematurely. I know that at a professional/competitive level this would be such a rare occurrence that its almost not even worth mentioning, but accidents do happen and there can be infinite variable involved
I will probably be competing btw I'm 13 turning 14 this year, my coach Irene Norman has said that I should get a bit more accurate at higher distances.
NUSensei I'm 14 now, used to be an archer, and went outside with my club, and shoot 100m have trained Muay Thai Javelin throwing and with that comes 3 years every day playing softball for the hecks :D
Funny, ive tried shooting the pro type bows and they are great. Personally, though... ill always love my PSE hunting bow with its stubby stabilizer and duct taped sight frame. Funnily enough the way you describe shooting rules is just kinda the way i always did it. Makes it less likely to break your sillouette and alert a deer.
Ok, watch your video again. At 1:44 your arrow is aimed higher than at full draw at 1:47. So by your definition an illegal draw too. I just got disqualified from a WA 70m today for exactly that distinction. There was no pressure on the string at the start of the draw and at no point during the draw was there enough combination of pressure and angle to send the arrow over the target at 70m. But i got disqualified anyway. Also I disagree with some comments that the UK has a bad health and safety culture. Just a bad combination of little idiots with a little power. But not enough knowledge and experience to properly apply the safety rules.
Okay! Never heared about this. Ofchourse im still beginner and not going to win anything but happyness in my new hobby. But thank you for letting me know this, atleast theese are good things and habits to do in range.
Definitely good advice for competition etiquette. I've watched a fair number of more experienced archers than myself but I have to say, that stabilizer is ridiculously huge O_o. I'm more of a traditionalist/hunter so the most i'll add to my bow would be a an arrow rest.
On the range, this is safety issue. If an archer accidentally releases their bow while pointing skyward, the arrow can travel hundreds of metres behind the target. This endangers people and property outside of the field of play.
+ForeskinMan Just to reply to an incredibly old post, if I was to aim my compound bow at 45 degrees and fire it will send an arrow out to around 800 yards, and given that even if you're shooting at a 100 yard target the field usually ends within 100 yards of that, that is a lot of distance which we have no control over and may potentially be used by people or property that could be hit by a loose shot.
Sorry to reply to an even older post, but there's no way an arrow is reaching out to 800 yards. Even a 1000+ pound draw weight siege crossbow would be lucky to reach 300 yards.
AJMack biggest number I can find for a recurve bow shot is 500m by a 14 year old in new Zealand. Then an armless dude shooting with his feet and chin I think made an aimed shot of 245 or so meters. Could you substantiate 800 meters. I know you arent claiming intent or accuracy, but it seems that if one could hit that range accidentally, one could hit it intentionally and the records would reflect this. Not to nit pick but 800 meters is 2647.7 feet. Almost half a mile. Its a really long reach for many firearms accidentally much less with aim. Not that it can't and isnt done, I'd just like to see records of it happening. I guess the point is though, dont aim the arrow in a direction where you are unsure of the backstop. There is no backstop in the sky, so don't point it there.
I don't know why, but when people aim their bow high at the start of their draw, I get very uneasy, like if it were hazardous. I've been teaching a few friends archery, and I felt I had to put a stop to that draw method when one of them drew in that manner. I don't know why it seems hazardous, but it just does. Maybe it's residual firearm safety training kicking in (aiming high on the lineup could be a fatal mistake with a firearm if one were to prematurely discharge). So I wonder, what is the reasoning behind the rules of drawing in that fashion in competition archery? I know in hunting it would be impractical due to cutting the line of sight with your quarry. The other rules make sense, though.
Accidentally discharging the bow when it is aimed upwards can send an arrow hundreds of metres behind the target. Very few archery ranges have a backstop that can stop an arrow that is released in such a way. Real, extreme accidents have happened in which a club was shut down after an archer released a skyward draw, sending an arrow onto a freeway and smashing through the passenger-side windscreen of a passing vehicle.
NUSensei Daaang. So it's the same reason as with firearms. I suppose my concerns weren't unfounded. The range I go to has a huge hill behind it (a good 10 stories or so), but it's also part of a forest preserve, and hikers sometimes are up there on the other side. I'll definitely be sure to correct anyone who's doing that type of draw. It's everyone's job at any range to enforce the safety protocols, because it only takes one screw up to ruin someone's day.
It took me about 12 hours range time to find a comfortable arrow loading technique other than holding the bow like a gangshta. The compound is fine though its about 70 cm.
I fully understand the rule for the draw as a misfire may harm someone but 80cm Is far to small of An area for the amount of equipment a shoot with a set like you have. I wouldn’t like it if I had that room with far less equipment
I hope to do competitive re-curve soon but when I shoot with my friends I accidentally bump into their bows with mine and I feel like such a klutz! I used to shoot a long bow so as I nock the arrow my bow would be side ways. So how do you properly nock a re-curve without bumping into someone else?
i havent started archery but doesnt it make sense to slightly aim upwards to get a better volley aim if its over a long distance? that had me confused when you explained about the drawing aim
If you're shooting long distance, you will need to aim higher, yes. However, the rule is applied to draws that exceed the elevation required to hit the target - generally with the understanding that if you release the string at that point, you would go over the target (and thus create a hazard).
That's what I've done since day 1. Bows are deadly weapons, and should be treated with every bit as much respect as any projectile weapon. Only point it at it if you mean to kill it. In this case, a target. Make sure your background is clear of anything that would be a risk. If you don't want it dead, then it better be behind you.
hah. I saw the title and I'm like "I wonder if they are bitching about the people who pull down into the shot." Bingo. I was originally taught by my father to draw towards the ground and pull up into the shot. I asked him why, because you see all the this and that they aim towards the sky and draw. His reply was really simple and made since. "if you loose the draw, your arrow cannot fly off and hurt somebody or damage something"
I have a question about anchor points. I recently started target archery at my local range but my couch keeps telling me that my anchor point is wrong! I prefer to anchor at the corner of my mouth however my couch wants me to anchor under my chin. I find under the chin less accurate and uncomfortably. What should I do? Chin or mouth?
epicRMiddleton Anchoring under the chin is taught because it is a stronger, more consistent anchor, and is the position of choice for archers using sights. Archers who shoot instinctive often use a higher anchor to make it easier to have a visual reference. Though it ultimately comes down to which one you feel more comfortable in replicating, it does depend on your intended shooting style.
NUSensei I had my first competition yesterday. It was also the first time I had shot a 60 yards barebow. I got 194, the closest score to that was 115. I was the winner!!!
To this day, two years later, there are still idiots coming to the comments section posting about how the rules are bad because A: they've never had a problem with the previous rules or B: they don't seem to understand that these are the top of the top rules, and unlikely to even be thought about at a less than international level. Some people just hate change.
.....this is kinda counter intuitive for hunters. they want to crouch low as to not be seen by the prey, load the bow from the side or such, and then bring it around from high as they start to pop up. tho it could mean more of the smaller hunting bow designs in competitions too.
Garth S They also make it safer. Better to have small limitations that only affect a small number of people (who are doing it wrong anyway) than to launch an arrow into someone else's property and causing harm and damage - and this sort of thing can and does happen. Honestly, if a commonsense rule like "Don't point your bow at the sky" ruins your fun, you'd probably have more fun in the field than at a range.
+NUSensei Who are doing it wrong anyway?? Please remember that Olympic-style archery is only a couple of decades old whereas there are multiple archery styles that are centuries old that practice drawing from above the head. Styles such as Japanese archery (Kyudo), Traditional Korean and Mongolian archery, etc. So although I understand why Olympic-style archery implement these safety rules, if I were you I'd be careful about claiming someone else's style as "wrong" just because it doesn't match the same style as yours.
I never said any other style is wrong. This is a video regarding a rule used for target archery, as specified by World Archery, the governing body for the sporting discipline of archery. Additionally, the rule covers the angle of the bow going over the target when being drawn, not drawing over the head, as done in styles such as Kyudo.
Sorry, it's just from the way you said it it seemed you were implying that drawing the bow with arrow above the head was "wrong". I just want to emphasize that it is not wrong technique. Just that it is not allowed in competitions as per rules. And I can understand that. I guess I just get a bit sensitive whenever someone tries to say another archery technique is "wrong". Kyudo draws with arrow parallel to the ground, Korean and Mongolian techniques draw with arrow angled up.
it's for safety your holding a dangerous weapon but after your first day most of the rules are registered and don't have to be thought about. The biggest one is space which is restrictive but they have to fit people on the field.
That's the minimum acceptable distance, what's the maximum? What is the purpose of wanting the space so tight? In my opinion i want to see the best shot, not the best under this & that restriction. If someone can kneel and hit a dime or balance on one leg, thats all fine, but the person who can hit consistently at all distances it the best shot. Great informative video. I used to just shoot an arrow scross a football field behind my house, towards my friend & he would shoot it back.. I was poor and had to save to buy 1 arrow at a time. They were wood and 75 cents each.
There's no maximum space. In knockout rounds, it's 1v1 and they get plenty of space to setup, and in pro events they get everything to themselves, basically. The thing with the minimum space is to allow as many competitors to compete as possible. A state or national event might draw hundreds of participants, and the venue has limited capacity. There's a general dislike for running separate flights (thus doubling capacity) since it also doubles the event time, which is already several hours. So the rule is there to give as many people a chance to compete, while preserving the minimum space needed to actually shoot.
I must protest against the first rule. There is actual technique of bow drawing above the head among the steppe people. they even often shot above their head (shooting the bow with the arrod being above the line of the eye). This is due to the fact that you can't draw your bow facing downwards if you are on the back of a horse. Also there is the japanese technique of bow drawing, wich is too drawing from above. This is a rediculous rule that contradicts with the ancient lore and should be revoked.
So if I want to play as profetional, I must abide to rules who don't stand on any traditions, not even the european ones from wich is suposed to emerge. Great. I knew that the modern archery was crap, but this is too much.
Stefan Stoyanov If you want to play as professional at anything, you must abide to rules. If you want an LMP1 car, guess what, rules say the cut out above the wheel has to measure 435 mm in length. ...and you should probably be thankful rules are not grounded in traditions...there has been some crap ass traditions.
Well, imagine he would let go at any point during the draw. If he did that the arrow would not fly (significantly) over the target because he was not at full draw when still pointing up. Drawing as you pull down is allowed because you'd not shoot over the target if the bow is only partially drawn.
Most places, where possible, do (1m is luxurious). However, space is also a premium in most venues, whether indoor or outdoor. Having more flights means that an event will take twice as long, and when an event normally goes on for most of the day, it becomes drawn out and both organisers and participants prefer to avoid multiple flights. Look at a shooting line in competition and you can have over a hundred shooting at the same time.
'Proper' shooting technique is whatever the shooter can make work. There are STANDARD techniques that are taught to beginning archers but if they find some subtle difference works better for them, then that's what they need to do. Anything other than that is garbage layered on by somebody that's trying to disqualify somebody to give somebody else a better chance. I feel sorry for your archers.
Humm all that stuff sticking out of the bow attached to it, I shoot well enough to have 5 arrows in area I can cover with palm of 1 hand. without stabilizers, weights or other gadgets attached to the bow have whisker for arrow rest and pin sight up front for aiming.
hrmmm 31 inches I'm 24 inches wide across the shoulders.. that would be like a normal person inside a old fashion telephone booth..yeah maybe archery isn't for me .. I hope they never add a height restriction then I'd really be stuck.
Traditionally raising the bow upward then pulling the draw was normal for allot of archers I would think. I don't understand why it's illegal to do in competition. Your not violating another competitor's space in that regard and everyone aims and shoots in the same time frame right? I just don't see the point of the complaint.
In a sports venue, it's basic safety. Ranges are run to the same standard as gun ranges. The bow is only pointed at the target. Raising the bow above the target brings the risk of an accidental release sending arrows out of the field of play. Even at World level, some top archers have smashed windows... Which is why the the rule was brought up again.
edit (directed to NUsensei after commenting on ranges) you have no clue what a gun range standard is. if ther is something you could hit on or behind the target line the range is not safe. hence why most rifle ranges are build way out in the booneys or are indoors. with properly reinforced roofing. to make it safe. and usually most ranges will have a large swath of land behind the backstop of the target line to allow for safe travel of any projectile(s) lobbed up over the walls of the range. smashing a window is not something that will happen on a gun range unless someone violates the reg and fires in the opposite direction. and even then is highly unlikely.
better, and some ranges have differing rules or practices because there are different types of ranges for differing purposes. the Range management may not allow for up or down angles because they don't want to replace busted range equipment or something, or because of mild risk of ricochet(which shouldn't happen on a range unless you breach safety protocol) generally indoor ranges are one direction lanes of fire only, aiming up you will get peppered in roofing material, or straight down you may shoot yourself or get a ricochet hit on yourself or your neighbor on the firing line(assuming the line isn't broken up with dividing walls which some are). outside ther are many different designs and purposes of ranges and the "safe direction" may be left up to the individual shooter like will happen in a "live" situation or for every single police officer or armed military person every day they gear up, and go to work. also non lethal ranges are basically any where marked and were people are told to wear eye and ear protection for noise any office building can be turned into a non lethal range for the day, air-soft is similar but doesn't require ear pro, and paintball is messy... so it's up to the property owner. but by and large in any proper shooting venue on proper ranges aiming up will not be a concern, I have seen military range management bitch about aiming down because again they don't wan't the extra work of repairing or replacing range equipment. but ther is nothing dangerous about. any one serving in any military can tell you that ther is a lot of BS head games and such in military outfits, constant troll fest, military types do not always use logic or reality as ther guide for behavior especially when in a non combative environment.
How does that first rule compare to a draw like this?: ruclips.net/video/c7jJuWTQ6CQ/видео.html (Slo-mo vid of an apparently very high draw from a Korean female archer.)
Ground draws are legal, but it's poor technique. You use the wrong muscles, you lose back tension while raising the bow onto the target, and you're probably going to exhaust yourself much sooner.
you're not allowed to draw with your front hand? wtf? I'm 90% sure it's the traditional way to draw a bow. and it doesn't put anyone at risk because if it misfires, it's just gonna be a few metres off target. size restriction is kinda stupid as well, just make the size larger, it is world cup shooting after all. I doubt there's hundreds of people all shooting butt to butt.
I'm not sure what you mean by that comment. The rule stipulates that you cannot begin the draw above the target. This is a safety issue, as a misfire above the target can travel far beyond the field and hit something behind it. This still happens at World level competition, and some high-profile archers have smashed windows in sport stadiums, resulting in the rule being more strongly enforced.
well 800mm is the MINIMUM. if theres more space you might get more space. but you should get used to 800mm since you might only have that much space on other shooting lines. Thats how i understand it anyway.
I beg to differ. The increase in acuracy and the resulting smaller margins mean that a greater part of the outcome of the shot is down to the archer's skill, rather than chance.
Is there anyone else who randomly out of nowhere got recommended this dude's video, watched it and now keeps getting new recommendations even though you don't know anything about archery?
Happened to just now ^^ just got recommended this video even though it's been like 2 years since I last watched any of his videos. When I got any of his videos recommended to me out of nowhere the last time it got my girlfriend into archery so ...
No. Actual archer here.
That 800mm space rule is pretty nice, we need one of those for the person sitting next to you on an airplane.
I am a total beginner. Your videos are extremely helpful to me. I can avoid bad habits, that once established, are difficult to correct. Thank you for posting these videos.
The first thing I learned shooting rifles was not to elevate high. It's universal I'd say. On that point it amazes me how much archery and fire arms connect in practice. Thank you for these videos. I'm looking at getting back into archery once I can stand and walk again. Broke my leg at work.
Any explanation as to why not to start high?
@@Kingofnoodles if you accidentally discharge you know it's safe. because your pointing down range and not over the target.
@@arvadawelder makes sense. Thank you.
this is national/world competition and they can't afford like 2-3 meters of extra space between competitors? what is this? NYC? Japan?
Good demos with a little humor thrown in. Thanks!
This channel is amazing and really helpful since I'm basically learning how to shoot by just going out and practicing. I guess I'll start setting up boundaries for myself and working on my draw
In other words, consideration and courtesy for other fellow archers.
Same with firing ranges, stay in your own lane, aim straight at your own target, and definitely no wild swinging of your firearm.
I shoot for NASP and at our national tournament I had one judge who would scream at you if you were kneeling while scoring and had another who would pull out a magnifying glass to see if your arrow was touching the line.
None in my family are amateur nor profesional, but even they taught me about keeping vertical the bow. My mom was specially picky about it and the shoulder height thing...
Excellent video! Straight forward video that I will be sharing with my kids. We shoot mostly outdoors, so it is not an issue, but this goes over some great range safety stuff.
Thanks for bringing the topic up, I'm glad I know about this because I've just entered for my first archery tournament ( junior national tournament in April ), I don't want to go through the tournament and realise that what I've been doing was not complying with the rules.
I broke my habit of high drawing because in the tree stand it is excessive and un-needed movement that can get you spotted by deer. Now i draw across my chest. It’s also easier to put the deer in your sight if you are already drawing in the direction of the deer. At that point you don’t have to come down to get the deer in your sight picture, it’s right there you are just making fine adjustments and putting the right pin on it. Same applies for targets. These are very valid and interesting techniques to work on though! Thank you! I’ve been looking to get into competition archery for some time now.
My school has an unusual hybrid style. While we use western arrow position (left for a righty) and draw (Mediterranean), we do the draw Kyudo style. That is to say we start straight on but above our heads, then bring it down into line in the course of the draw. From what you are saying it sounds like this could be an issue, even though we have never gotten more than strange looks at any tournaments (but we've only done small local stuff, since we are in the middle of nowhere and serve low-income people for the most part).
Makes sense.
Kinda like "Keep your weapon aim'd down the range" safety rules I had drilled into me for building a habit that way we never find it easy to aim where accidents could happen.
Always had to keep the firearm pointed at a 45 degree angle downwards when not holstered so the bullet on a missfire would hit the ground not become a stray shot and hit someone outside the range. Could only imagine a stressed or beginner bowman at an outdoor range letting go of the shot early while bring down the shot and having it fly past the range hitting someone.
"...past the range hitting someone" that is an unsafe range, therefore improper therefore illegal, and if the range management know it then it is criminal negligence or worse.
If you do a skyward draw in 3d field archery in Australia people go nuts at you. That is because accidentally releasing an arrow with a high poundage bow (most people use their hunting setup) on a range that has targets in various positions to the rear of your target with people moving to and fro, up and down hills and behind trees etc the potential for a serious mishap is much more than target shooting where everyone's targets are parallel and at right angles to the shooting line.
At first i was wondering what could it be but when you explained this it was very understandable and i thought that this would be common sense.
I am in no way an Archer I couldn't even score high enough to earn my archery badge as a Boy Scout I have no idea how I found this channel but my God your accent is Hypnotic I love it
it ain't that hard to improve. trick is having the money time and patience to travel to venues and take part. those bows (and other gear) are anything but cheap. I don't even do archery any more myself, and it was only a hobby for me besides being a potentially valuable skill (not likely) but I may get back into it at some point but i was just using a relatively cheap traditional re curve bow with rubber handle and i got accurate enough to chop my arrows up with other arrow shots.. but watching some of these vids I could probably do so much further out.
@@wepntech Switch to selfbow or primitive or barebow. Much cheaper and really more fun with great people. You want to spend money do compound bow competitions.
1:45 Is not your arrow pointed higher than where it would be at full draw? Seems to me this is illegal according to the rule you showed us.
I wonder if this means most Korean archers will be disqualified with their high draw.
I'm not exactly sure what/who you are referring to. Video?
HiroVolforto Their technique is actually correct. Many archers are taught to start with the sight above the target and then come down onto the gold when reach full draw. The bow would therefore be aimed at the target during the draw.
The newsletter report didn't specify what the illegal technique was. I'm imagining that it involves the draw being completed while the bow is still pointed upwards. There's a difference between setting up above the target (normal) and drawing above the target.
NUSensei
So even if during the first half of the draw, the arrow will be pointing above the target, it's ok if the arrow is pointing at the target when close to full draw?
I'm not an official, so I don't know specifically what the call is. I imagine you'd have to be significantly above the target to be called for an illegal draw.
HiroVolforto in a proper western style draw, both the bow hand and draw hand start above the head, and are both lowered while drawing SIMULTANEOUSLY . the arrow is kept LEVEL at all times if done properly. it would not point skyward to be illegal if done properly.
These rules are similar to, for instance, a gun range, the rules are there to minimise any and all possible accidents that could happen. So for someone to ''aim at the sky or anywhere else except the target whilst loading'' is for the safety of others, so that no one gets an arrow to the knee
I get it, if a bow is misfired and it was aimed for example up, there is no telling where the arrow will hit, also others will be competing again and if your equipment touches they will likely get distracted and that can't be 'legal', heck it could even be seen as sabotage I guess.
That stinks. I'm trying to get back into this since shooting collegiate in the late 70's. There's so much I don't remember and to be honest, never really thought about..when you're young you just "do it" with less thinking. But I do know I was actually taught as a "hint" to draw fairly high and settle in to the target just as I reached full draw and clicker went off. It was not only rhythm but a help in pulling poundage. Shot a 62" Black Widow..stacked like mad and loved it. This now is really bad news for me. Thanks for the info.
Where did you get that Flecktarn jacket in the background? =D
Once I shot a championships with a dude with very long arrows standing behind me...
Yes, the arrows were poking my butt the whole time 😂
Should have tried to grab his arrows with your butt cheeks.
They should give archers more space left to right. It might slow the event down a little, but having to worry about bumping into people to the left and right of you while firing a bow is just a needless complication.
how much space do you think they should have some of these bow set up only just barely fit into the space as is. if the space becomes larger, the archers like any one in any competition will probably find some way to push that boundary as well. most of these archers seem to change ther setup for different events. so I don't see it being a simple matter of just giving them some space. opperating in limited space is part of the competition they should be able to operate within wtvr ridiculous limit. perhaps separate out the events into more regional tournaments and such too to basically develop more of a qualifying competition for the larger competition like in racing events.
There is no need to worry i learned to use 80 cm in my first 2 hours of training - if you stand still and nock you arrow without tilting you bow you are fine, you can easily use less space
This is very interesting to know, because in traditional Turkish archery the skydraw is considered as a usual technique 🤔
and this is why I take my bow to an open field so I can shoot what I like and how I like. No sights, no stabilizers, no cams...no rules.
OMG.! I've been doing it wrong. I have not taken that seriously yet.. Now it makes more sense, the way you explain it..
My bow is about 24 lbs, and I only shoot at 18 meters (I don't compete outdoors). I don't think my arrow would fly that far if I were to release it in my draw.
Becasue: when I draw my bow I firstly point my bow upwards and hold my drawhand at forehead level. Then I lower my bow and draw to my chin at the same time, I know it sounds weird but It works. This combined with the low poundage in the bow would make it nearly impossible to overshoot an arrow at 50 meters for example.
good info. I have seen compound shooters draw as if theyre gonna shoot the moon out! :) I try to keep mine at or near the target. After watching this video I will be more conscience of it! thanks!
Consider that tournament archers are rolemodels for non-tournament archers. A draw to the side or above the target might be fine for someone with experience and control, but when emulated by a bumbling novice with less discipline on the shooting line, it could result in a dangerous misfire. We're talking very low probability of accidents, but still something easily preventable.
Whenever you find yourself mumbling about "Health and Safety gone MAD!", consider whether or not the issue is easily preventable with minor or no downsides, then take a deep breath and let it go. You - and possibly other people - will live longer, happier lives.
The one thing i find odd about this is how many accidental missfires are there?
I was in a archery club for 3years and not a single arrow was missfired from anyone from novices that had there first day to experianced actual olympic shooters.
(thinking of coming back to archery so watching stuff on it)
pretty sure the whole drawing at or below the height of the target is more of a safety rule then a technical one, on the off chance that the shooter loses his grip mid draw and the arrow releases prematurely. I know that at a professional/competitive level this would be such a rare occurrence that its almost not even worth mentioning, but accidents do happen and there can be infinite variable involved
From what I understand, the memo came about *because* of an incident at international level.
I will probably be competing btw I'm 13 turning 14 this year, my coach Irene Norman has said that I should get a bit more accurate at higher distances.
Ah, you're down in Werribee then? I'm not sure what rounds the juniors shoot at, but expect to be at 20-50m.
NUSensei I'm 14 now, used to be an archer, and went outside with my club, and shoot 100m
have trained Muay Thai
Javelin throwing
and with that comes 3 years every day playing softball for the hecks :D
Just starting out, so this is a good point to keep in mind. Thanks
People swinging their bow on the line is so anoying, even more so when they hit you at full draw and then laugh about it
Ohhh, if someone did that at my club they would so be getting shouted at by one of the officials ahah.
That’s why I set my bow down when I put the arrow on and just do a straight pull back. ❤️
Whats the story bout the german army jacket on the door?
Flecktarn jackets are hot, and not uncommon
DIYMicha Germany stopped conscription 10 years ago and needed to get rid of stuff
Funny, ive tried shooting the pro type bows and they are great. Personally, though... ill always love my PSE hunting bow with its stubby stabilizer and duct taped sight frame. Funnily enough the way you describe shooting rules is just kinda the way i always did it. Makes it less likely to break your sillouette and alert a deer.
Ok, watch your video again. At 1:44 your arrow is aimed higher than at full draw at 1:47. So by your definition an illegal draw too.
I just got disqualified from a WA 70m today for exactly that distinction.
There was no pressure on the string at the start of the draw and at no point during the draw was there enough combination of pressure and angle to send the arrow over the target at 70m. But i got disqualified anyway.
Also I disagree with some comments that the UK has a bad health and safety culture. Just a bad combination of little idiots with a little power. But not enough knowledge and experience to properly apply the safety rules.
Okay! Never heared about this. Ofchourse im still beginner and not going to win anything but happyness in my new hobby. But thank you for letting me know this, atleast theese are good things and habits to do in range.
Nice flecktarn coat hanging in the back there, I also have one of those
me too :D
Definitely good advice for competition etiquette. I've watched a fair number of more experienced archers than myself but I have to say, that stabilizer is ridiculously huge O_o. I'm more of a traditionalist/hunter so the most i'll add to my bow would be a an arrow rest.
I sadly don't get why drawing to the sky is not allowed ? Are they afraid someone could kill a bird with their stabilizer ?
On the range, this is safety issue. If an archer accidentally releases their bow while pointing skyward, the arrow can travel hundreds of metres behind the target. This endangers people and property outside of the field of play.
NUSensei
I see, thanks.
+ForeskinMan Just to reply to an incredibly old post, if I was to aim my compound bow at 45 degrees and fire it will send an arrow out to around 800 yards, and given that even if you're shooting at a 100 yard target the field usually ends within 100 yards of that, that is a lot of distance which we have no control over and may potentially be used by people or property that could be hit by a loose shot.
Sorry to reply to an even older post, but there's no way an arrow is reaching out to 800 yards. Even a 1000+ pound draw weight siege crossbow would be lucky to reach 300 yards.
AJMack biggest number I can find for a recurve bow shot is 500m by a 14 year old in new Zealand. Then an armless dude shooting with his feet and chin I think made an aimed shot of 245 or so meters. Could you substantiate 800 meters. I know you arent claiming intent or accuracy, but it seems that if one could hit that range accidentally, one could hit it intentionally and the records would reflect this.
Not to nit pick but 800 meters is 2647.7 feet. Almost half a mile. Its a really long reach for many firearms accidentally much less with aim. Not that it can't and isnt done, I'd just like to see records of it happening.
I guess the point is though, dont aim the arrow in a direction where you are unsure of the backstop. There is no backstop in the sky, so don't point it there.
Beginner archer witnesses forbidden draw, proceeds to be vaporized.
"You shouldn't be jabbing anyone with your quiver." Oh, my!
I don't know why, but when people aim their bow high at the start of their draw, I get very uneasy, like if it were hazardous. I've been teaching a few friends archery, and I felt I had to put a stop to that draw method when one of them drew in that manner. I don't know why it seems hazardous, but it just does. Maybe it's residual firearm safety training kicking in (aiming high on the lineup could be a fatal mistake with a firearm if one were to prematurely discharge). So I wonder, what is the reasoning behind the rules of drawing in that fashion in competition archery? I know in hunting it would be impractical due to cutting the line of sight with your quarry. The other rules make sense, though.
Accidentally discharging the bow when it is aimed upwards can send an arrow hundreds of metres behind the target. Very few archery ranges have a backstop that can stop an arrow that is released in such a way. Real, extreme accidents have happened in which a club was shut down after an archer released a skyward draw, sending an arrow onto a freeway and smashing through the passenger-side windscreen of a passing vehicle.
NUSensei
Daaang. So it's the same reason as with firearms. I suppose my concerns weren't unfounded. The range I go to has a huge hill behind it (a good 10 stories or so), but it's also part of a forest preserve, and hikers sometimes are up there on the other side. I'll definitely be sure to correct anyone who's doing that type of draw. It's everyone's job at any range to enforce the safety protocols, because it only takes one screw up to ruin someone's day.
+NUSensei oh crap, that's terrible, good thing I don't do that
It took me about 12 hours range time to find a comfortable arrow loading technique other than holding the bow like a gangshta. The compound is fine though its about 70 cm.
Good to know the etiquette. Thank you.
Seem like good rules. A battery of archers in an actual military formation who did NOT adhere to such rules would be chaos and a risk to itself.
I fully understand the rule for the draw as a misfire may harm someone but 80cm Is far to small of An area for the amount of equipment a shoot with a set like you have. I wouldn’t like it if I had that room with far less equipment
I hope to do competitive re-curve soon but when I shoot with my friends I accidentally bump into their bows with mine and I feel like such a klutz! I used to shoot a long bow so as I nock the arrow my bow would be side ways. So how do you properly nock a re-curve without bumping into someone else?
Rest the bottom limb on your foot and nock from that position.
NUSensei yeah that makes sense, ha! I guess the hardest part would be breaking habit. Thanks!
Why is there, advertisements for girlish ribbon bows underneath the video?
I shoot to eat.... with all that stuff hanging off in every which way it kinda takes the fun out of archery
good stuff Sensei. Now i'm gonna tell off my coach!
i havent started archery but doesnt it make sense to slightly aim upwards to get a better volley aim if its over a long distance? that had me confused when you explained about the drawing aim
If you're shooting long distance, you will need to aim higher, yes. However, the rule is applied to draws that exceed the elevation required to hit the target - generally with the understanding that if you release the string at that point, you would go over the target (and thus create a hazard).
ah ok so the rules will tell you beforehand gotcha
So, basically: treat your bow like a rifle.
That's what I've done since day 1. Bows are deadly weapons, and should be treated with every bit as much respect as any projectile weapon. Only point it at it if you mean to kill it. In this case, a target. Make sure your background is clear of anything that would be a risk. If you don't want it dead, then it better be behind you.
why is there a german "Feldbluse" on that wall?
hah.
I saw the title and I'm like "I wonder if they are bitching about the people who pull down into the shot."
Bingo.
I was originally taught by my father to draw towards the ground and pull up into the shot. I asked him why, because you see all the this and that they aim towards the sky and draw. His reply was really simple and made since.
"if you loose the draw, your arrow cannot fly off and hurt somebody or damage something"
Interesting... Thanks for posting brother 👍🏼
I have a question about anchor points. I recently started target archery at my local range but my couch keeps telling me that my anchor point is wrong! I prefer to anchor at the corner of my mouth however my couch wants me to anchor under my chin. I find under the chin less accurate and uncomfortably. What should I do? Chin or mouth?
epicRMiddleton Anchoring under the chin is taught because it is a stronger, more consistent anchor, and is the position of choice for archers using sights. Archers who shoot instinctive often use a higher anchor to make it easier to have a visual reference. Though it ultimately comes down to which one you feel more comfortable in replicating, it does depend on your intended shooting style.
NUSensei I gave the chin another go, I found I am getting more constant. I broke the junior record at my club by over 100 points with it.
Now we're talking!
epicRMiddleton Nice
NUSensei I had my first competition yesterday. It was also the first time I had shot a 60 yards barebow. I got 194, the closest score to that was 115. I was the winner!!!
To this day, two years later, there are still idiots coming to the comments section posting about how the rules are bad because A: they've never had a problem with the previous rules or B: they don't seem to understand that these are the top of the top rules, and unlikely to even be thought about at a less than international level.
Some people just hate change.
C: They've never shot in an environment that is shared by other people, and hence don't understand basic safety.
Are you going to the Victorian state short range comp.
That's the aim (hah!). I covered the Short Range Championship last year, but this will be the first time I'll be competing in it.
I draw with the arrow, but the sounds too loud like a slapping the limbs..
Why is that happen?
Is that okay Sensei?
.....this is kinda counter intuitive for hunters.
they want to crouch low as to not be seen by the prey, load the bow from the side or such, and then bring it around from high as they start to pop up.
tho it could mean more of the smaller hunting bow designs in competitions too.
This is a rule for the sport. It has nothing to do with hunting.
What is that quiver?
Archery has and continues to evolve. So should the rules. Restrictive rules for modern archery inhibit performance and decrease enjoyment.
These silly rules really bring down the fun in the sport.
Garth S They also make it safer. Better to have small limitations that only affect a small number of people (who are doing it wrong anyway) than to launch an arrow into someone else's property and causing harm and damage - and this sort of thing can and does happen. Honestly, if a commonsense rule like "Don't point your bow at the sky" ruins your fun, you'd probably have more fun in the field than at a range.
+NUSensei Who are doing it wrong anyway?? Please remember that Olympic-style archery is only a couple of decades old whereas there are multiple archery styles that are centuries old that practice drawing from above the head. Styles such as Japanese archery (Kyudo), Traditional Korean and Mongolian archery, etc.
So although I understand why Olympic-style archery implement these safety rules, if I were you I'd be careful about claiming someone else's style as "wrong" just because it doesn't match the same style as yours.
I never said any other style is wrong. This is a video regarding a rule used for target archery, as specified by World Archery, the governing body for the sporting discipline of archery. Additionally, the rule covers the angle of the bow going over the target when being drawn, not drawing over the head, as done in styles such as Kyudo.
Sorry, it's just from the way you said it it seemed you were implying that drawing the bow with arrow above the head was "wrong". I just want to emphasize that it is not wrong technique. Just that it is not allowed in competitions as per rules. And I can understand that. I guess I just get a bit sensitive whenever someone tries to say another archery technique is "wrong".
Kyudo draws with arrow parallel to the ground, Korean and Mongolian techniques draw with arrow angled up.
it's for safety your holding a dangerous weapon but after your first day most of the rules are registered and don't have to be thought about. The biggest one is space which is restrictive but they have to fit people on the field.
That's the minimum acceptable distance, what's the maximum? What is the purpose of wanting the space so tight? In my opinion i want to see the best shot, not the best under this & that restriction. If someone can kneel and hit a dime or balance on one leg, thats all fine, but the person who can hit consistently at all distances it the best shot. Great informative video. I used to just shoot an arrow scross a football field behind my house, towards my friend & he would shoot it back.. I was poor and had to save to buy 1 arrow at a time. They were wood and 75 cents each.
There's no maximum space. In knockout rounds, it's 1v1 and they get plenty of space to setup, and in pro events they get everything to themselves, basically. The thing with the minimum space is to allow as many competitors to compete as possible. A state or national event might draw hundreds of participants, and the venue has limited capacity. There's a general dislike for running separate flights (thus doubling capacity) since it also doubles the event time, which is already several hours. So the rule is there to give as many people a chance to compete, while preserving the minimum space needed to actually shoot.
Watching this without sound from 3 minute is really amusing.
I'm not an archer. What am I doing here, and why can't I leave this channel?
Too much Skyrim?
Just to suffer, of course.
I must protest against the first rule. There is actual technique of bow drawing above the head among the steppe people. they even often shot above their head (shooting the bow with the arrod being above the line of the eye). This is due to the fact that you can't draw your bow facing downwards if you are on the back of a horse. Also there is the japanese technique of bow drawing, wich is too drawing from above. This is a rediculous rule that contradicts with the ancient lore and should be revoked.
The rules don't apply to traditional forms of archery. This is strictly to do with sport archery.
So if I want to play as profetional, I must abide to rules who don't stand on any traditions, not even the european ones from wich is suposed to emerge. Great. I knew that the modern archery was crap, but this is too much.
Stefan Stoyanov If you want to play as professional at anything, you must abide to rules. If you want an LMP1 car, guess what, rules say the cut out above the wheel has to measure 435 mm in length. ...and you should probably be thankful rules are not grounded in traditions...there has been some crap ass traditions.
How many bows u got
Currently, one.
No problem for me I am never going to compete in any tournament.
Watching this video, the first thing in my mind was Lee Seungyun's set up. How is it allowed?
Well, imagine he would let go at any point during the draw. If he did that the arrow would not fly (significantly) over the target because he was not at full draw when still pointing up. Drawing as you pull down is allowed because you'd not shoot over the target if the bow is only partially drawn.
Can you still do these draws for hunting
Zane Fierro Yes. Draws are only regulated for competition and on the range for safety reasons.
What a complete load. Why don't they just make the space bigger and change the number of rounds?
Most places, where possible, do (1m is luxurious). However, space is also a premium in most venues, whether indoor or outdoor. Having more flights means that an event will take twice as long, and when an event normally goes on for most of the day, it becomes drawn out and both organisers and participants prefer to avoid multiple flights. Look at a shooting line in competition and you can have over a hundred shooting at the same time.
Yeesh. No solution.
first rule against at mounted archery
Everyone’s draw, position and anchor is different.
thx ur really helpful
'Proper' shooting technique is whatever the shooter can make work. There are STANDARD techniques that are taught to beginning archers but if they find some subtle difference works better for them, then that's what they need to do. Anything other than that is garbage layered on by somebody that's trying to disqualify somebody to give somebody else a better chance. I feel sorry for your archers.
What state do you live in
why the hell would you use a stabiliser?
matthew allen Clue is in the name. The stabilise keeps the bow stable while you shoot.
Humm all that stuff sticking out of the bow attached to it, I shoot well enough to have 5 arrows in area I can cover with palm of 1 hand. without stabilizers, weights or other gadgets attached to the bow have whisker for arrow rest and pin sight up front for aiming.
Grouping needs to be paired with distance. Anyone can claim to be a good shot at 5m.
Now I have something to do when I shoot at my house make a small square to stand in
why does he have a german army vest ? :D
Kelke van Lessen first of all, it's a BDU shirt/jacket, not a vest. Second, flecktarn is sexy AF, never question the flecktarn
This seems like basic safety.
hrmmm 31 inches I'm 24 inches wide across the shoulders.. that would be like a normal person inside a old fashion telephone booth..yeah maybe archery isn't for me .. I hope they never add a height restriction then I'd really be stuck.
Traditionally raising the bow upward then pulling the draw was normal for allot of archers I would think. I don't understand why it's illegal to do in competition. Your not violating another competitor's space in that regard and everyone aims and shoots in the same time frame right? I just don't see the point of the complaint.
In a sports venue, it's basic safety. Ranges are run to the same standard as gun ranges. The bow is only pointed at the target. Raising the bow above the target brings the risk of an accidental release sending arrows out of the field of play. Even at World level, some top archers have smashed windows... Which is why the the rule was brought up again.
edit (directed to NUsensei after commenting on ranges) you have no clue what a gun range standard is. if ther is something you could hit on or behind the target line the range is not safe. hence why most rifle ranges are build way out in the booneys or are indoors. with properly reinforced roofing. to make it safe. and usually most ranges will have a large swath of land behind the backstop of the target line to allow for safe travel of any projectile(s) lobbed up over the walls of the range. smashing a window is not something that will happen on a gun range unless someone violates the reg and fires in the opposite direction. and even then is highly unlikely.
better, and some ranges have differing rules or practices because there are different types of ranges for differing purposes. the Range management may not allow for up or down angles because they don't want to replace busted range equipment or something, or because of mild risk of ricochet(which shouldn't happen on a range unless you breach safety protocol) generally indoor ranges are one direction lanes of fire only, aiming up you will get peppered in roofing material, or straight down you may shoot yourself or get a ricochet hit on yourself or your neighbor on the firing line(assuming the line isn't broken up with dividing walls which some are). outside ther are many different designs and purposes of ranges and the "safe direction" may be left up to the individual shooter like will happen in a "live" situation or for every single police officer or armed military person every day they gear up, and go to work. also non lethal ranges are basically any where marked and were people are told to wear eye and ear protection for noise any office building can be turned into a non lethal range for the day, air-soft is similar but doesn't require ear pro, and paintball is messy... so it's up to the property owner. but by and large in any proper shooting venue on proper ranges aiming up will not be a concern, I have seen military range management bitch about aiming down because again they don't wan't the extra work of repairing or replacing range equipment. but ther is nothing dangerous about. any one serving in any military can tell you that ther is a lot of BS head games and such in military outfits, constant troll fest, military types do not always use logic or reality as ther guide for behavior especially when in a non combative environment.
How does that first rule compare to a draw like this?: ruclips.net/video/c7jJuWTQ6CQ/видео.html
(Slo-mo vid of an apparently very high draw from a Korean female archer.)
They lift high, but they don't start the draw until the arrow is on target.
Can you draw Asian style? Like, with a yomi?
With a modern bow? Why would you want to?
NUSensei no idea. figured there was some reason they do that.
are you allowed to fart in your 800mm restricted space " ffsake !! are you allowed to breath ???
Yes, as long as you don't talk while another archer is at draw
under 60 decibles/,,,,yes...its ok
not with dog breath
On a side note, I had no idea Filthy Frank did archery ._.
@@alphafort a fart with over 60db........
No to a sky draw makes sense...(not trying to be funny) but how about a ground draw?
Ground draws are legal, but it's poor technique. You use the wrong muscles, you lose back tension while raising the bow onto the target, and you're probably going to exhaust yourself much sooner.
This topic doesn't really interest me, but I just wanted to point out that the thumbnail looks like it says "Megal Draws". That's all =)
I got 14 moose with archery equipment. Anyone can hunt an animal, takes skill to hunt within archery range.
is this guy really jittery or is there an issue with his camera?
Camera. These older videos were rendered with the wrong frame rate.
NUSensei ok, thanks for replying!
i think target archery is bizzare to begin with....
you're not allowed to draw with your front hand? wtf? I'm 90% sure it's the traditional way to draw a bow. and it doesn't put anyone at risk because if it misfires, it's just gonna be a few metres off target.
size restriction is kinda stupid as well, just make the size larger, it is world cup shooting after all. I doubt there's hundreds of people all shooting butt to butt.
I'm not sure what you mean by that comment. The rule stipulates that you cannot begin the draw above the target. This is a safety issue, as a misfire above the target can travel far beyond the field and hit something behind it. This still happens at World level competition, and some high-profile archers have smashed windows in sport stadiums, resulting in the rule being more strongly enforced.
well 800mm is the MINIMUM. if theres more space you might get more space. but you should get used to 800mm since you might only have that much space on other shooting lines.
Thats how i understand it anyway.
Archery is no longer archery when bows have stabilizers etc. sticking out of them. Bare bow would reveal the true archer accuracy!
I beg to differ. The increase in acuracy and the resulting smaller margins mean that a greater part of the outcome of the shot is down to the archer's skill, rather than chance.
wow, so an illegal draw has nothing to do with having an unfair advantage but form and style.
Safety.