I would like to ensure that everyone is aware that the arctic fox in my 2nd place lance had a short stubby ineffective range band and spent all of his time hopping around desperate to use his not actually enough jump jets to avoid dieing..... Also proceeded to be the MVP of the event for me which says alot considering it's also the only IS mech on my list. and to thing about >ER PPC< its my favorite weapon and the upgrade is that they do 15 dmg compared to IS 10, which is the actual important bit and why they cost an obscene amount of BV each.
IMO the Clan ER PPC and Large Pulse are the most significant upgrades from IS, the Large Pulse range is incredible at a -1 to hit and the PPC damage is strong no matter what.
@@skyefox Minor correction, the LPL is a -2 to hit. The Clan ER PPC being able to do 15 and one shot any (non-hardened armor) Mech in the head is so powerful in comparison to the IS.
One thing about the winner lance is that it has a lot more crit seeking weapons. It had the only LRM boat - Longbow, as well as a bunch of MPLs on every mech, and even LLs are decent at underarmor damage.
@@laz272727 D: What the heck? How did that happen. I do remember YT erroring out when I wrote this. It must have pinned it to your comment instead???? Anyway you are correct! I do think looking at the weapons mix is a good data point to learn from. The massed MPLs in particular seemed quite good!
Armour IS of limited value. Once it's gone, it's gone. There's no way to get it back. On the other hand, if you can get a high TMM, you can get that high TMM every turn. So, a force that relies on TMM for its defence will outperform a force that relies on armour in a war of attrittion. Of course, the downside with relying on TMM as your defence is that you have to stay on the move so, sometimes, you will suffer by not being in the best position to maximise your range modifiers. Oh, and IS pulse lasers only beat regular lasers for accuracy at less than half a dozen ranges, thanks to their reduced ranges compared to regular lasers, so the -2 to hit is not as good as it looks at first glance (for example, a MPL has better to hit numbers than a regular ML at only 1, 2 and 4 hexes range. At all other ranges, the ML is in the previous range bracket when compared to a MPL, and thus is not suffering the +2 range modifier. Not to mention, the MPL simply cannot shoot at 7-9 hexes). Of course, there's the extra damage to consider, and Clan pulse lasers blow this out of the water (but then, Clan tech is just straight up better than IS tech...)
Not inner sphere pulse lasers. Inner sphere pulse lasers are garbage. Clan pulse? Sure. Clan LPL is probably the best weapon in the game. IS MPL? Trash. You only get -2 if you're within 2 hexes. Sh after that they have the same accuracy as a standard medium due to the increased take bracket, and then they're useless after 6 hexes while the standard medium is not. Throw in the fact that they're double the tonnage AND more heat and you have one of the most worthless weapons in the entire inner sphere arsenal.
In my last play group, one of the guys dropped a 400 engine into an 80 ton mech with MASC. Gave it a targeting computer, a clan LPL, and filled the rest of the tonnage with heat sinks and clan MPLs. It did great at keeping in brawling range, and would shred whatever you aimed it at in a turn or two.
I took part in this tournament too and ended somewhere in the middle of the pack 18th out of 38 iirc. I made a mixed medium/light lance where 2 hunchbacks were acting as Battleline/bodyguard mechs, 2 Blackjack-omnis as rangers and 2 lights (Tarantula + Venom) as flankers/antilight/objective runners. I think it could have ranked higher since 1 of the matches I royally messed up. But my list kind of followed the same design as the winning lists except my 4 mediums acted as the 2 assaults the top lists and my lights acted as the scout cavalry of the 2nd and 3rd place lists. I learned a lot during this tournament, way more than just solo playing against Princess and it was tons of fun! There's currently another tournament going on in MRC this month and my first match is today!
So I’m a week into researching this game. Never played. Very, very interested. Love the idea and aesthetic of the clans, but still looking into things.
CORRECTION: Art Credit on the Cerberus incorrect. The Dana Knutson is the actual artist! Not Harri Kallio. The tournament was held at the MRC Discord if you'd like to join! discord.gg/WUvbXQRRfW The 3rd Place winner (Jesty) makes videos if you'd like to check it out www.youtube.com/@ChrisZestyJesty
Thanks for the shout out Otto, appreciate it. If anyone is interested I did make a tournament review video and went over my matches in brief. You can actually see the movement for the most part as we sorta fast forward through the footage.
@nerdyOveranalyzed eyyy good to see you too. This tournament was crazy fun...i had a sort of gimmicky/fluffy Jade Falcon lance made of one clan mech and 3 bondsmen in IS mechs
Inner Sphere stays winning. Also, given the different stipulations tournaments can have, it’s going to be very hard to ever solve the game. Like, if any of the criteria up front changed, the meta completely shifts.
Very true! I think it would be a matter of learning the vanilla version of the game and then being able to account for the small adjustments of the custom rules.
Well for example my store does 10k games by default which opens up more assaults but also increases the points you can spend on gunnery and pilot skill which can make a huge difference in lance comp I've seen a decent amount of success with similar lists to these but that had to do with me not liking ammo explosions and loving the awesome!
We had tournaments where top players have brought all 6/6 pilots and placed. List building while a big part of game, doesn't replace knowing the fundamentals of the game
I'm just a collector and theory crafter at this point, but I think these are all good points to consider. I tend to start building a lance with a big tanky boy to anchor the battle line and then consider what mechs might synergize. But even with my more weapons focused mechs, I lean towards the more bulky mechs. In the succession wars, the Orion is my favorite mech because it looks cool, but also it's really tanky and can utilize it's weapons/heat well at all ranges. The Stalker is my second favorite mech because despite being armed to the teeth, it has really solid armor for the BV. I like pairing them together and then basing my last two on what I need for that particular engagement. If I need to be fast, I can go with a Phoenix Hawk and Wolfhound to zip around. If I can afford to play defensive, I can drop in a Vindicator or something fun like a Hunchback and a Centurion to play bodyguards. It's hard in the Succession Wars era, but I try to put a minimum of 4 Piercing weapons in each 5k BV lances.
Great video, and I really liked the breakdown for force building. I think that is where a lot of players are at a loss, trying to develop a lance/Star that isn't just "Well this looks cool." Is there a link to the full results, force comp, and possible BatReps?
Absolutely love it. Love seeing Clan score two of the top three and even better, seeing them rock a Stone Rhino and a Warhawk. Huzzah for my beloved assault mechs! Was also really cool to see the IS list too. Your analysis on the Gallowglas is why I love Guillotines, Grasshoppers, Zeus, and even Chargers. Big bully mechs that can force lighter ones to rethink their life choices. Thanks for the vid!
Lights are always a problem unless you have an obvious statement that they will get ONE, and just ONE, salvo before being obliterated. That may buy you lost turns, effectively removing one or two enemy mechs from the game "waiting for an opening" which may never come... or charge into a glorious fireball chancing a lucky roll. In any case, as always, a competitive scene proves the motto of professional gamblers: they hate chance (so the more stable and predictable you can make the situation, the better)
I was actually not planning on using this list, but I changed my list a few weeks before the tournament because people were talking crap about the Stone Rhino, so i had to show them whats up.
@@ChrisZestyJesty one has to start the list at something, and a good, hard glacier is seldom a bad choice! It's aesthetics are, then, a matter of choice and loadout ^^
One of the major factors in CBT that gets overlooked is map choice. If the maps played are known ahead of time, it allows players to build forces around the terrain. Long range weapons aren't as effective if one map is full of heavy woods or buildings.
I am saving this video for later, despite my usual go-to list not being viable for this particular tourney(my main faction is Terran Hegemony/SLDF). BUT That being said, I am going to apply the findings to my future games, keep up the good work and your are well worth the C-bill retainer :)
@@nerdyOveranalyzed Been there, got the T-shirt. I get the feeling we're not paying you enough...I may have to have a talk with Mr. Blake about your retainer.
For the second place team the pulse laser is very much the theme for the entire fighting force, the heavy machines mount 6 of the large versions between them. As well as targeting gear. It allows them to negate their own motions and keep their defensive modifiers up more readily as well. Clan pulse lasers still reach quite a distance, in the case of the large it's double the reach of it's IS counterpart making it more a comparative to the IS PPC than to lasers. at least play wise. For the ER PPCs on the Warhawk, all ER PPCs from both factions have no minimum range, it's what makes the upgrade to say the Wyvren make so much sense, it allows it to use the gun in close city brawls, and also compensates for it's low speed by giving reach at the far end. Really great walk around of the lances though, love the content Otto.
motions? what motions, those arent mechs, they are slightly mobile turrets. moving just ruins your accuracy, best to stand still and shoot. preferably on a hill, behind a 1 taller hill, in a woods.
It's interesting that the winning force was inner sphere. I've noticed a similar outcome in my own casual games, where high tech clan forces can be beaten out by inner sphere teams that have more primitive weapons and slower movement, but just ridiculous amounts of armor.
@@colbyboucher6391 it's fairly common to cap number of units in tournament settings so you don't get gooby shit like 40 Savannah masters or 18 locusts or something. If you're capped out at lance v lance, the clans will generally have better guns while the is will have better pilots or bigger blobs of armor.
@@ngryleprechaun87 Well, yeah, but if this MRC tournament is like the one I was in a couple months back, the unit cap was at 7. The Clans really struggled to fill out the whole roster at 7000 BV.
Yea the unit cap for MRC in general is 6 units. Without elementals a lot of people considered clan lists to not be viable, but I think snow and I proved otherwise.
I just started getting into battletech. I've been painting the 'mechs I got in the AGOAC box but haven't played yet. I can't wait until I can take all this knowledge into my first actual game and get absolutely crushed.
I don't know how much of an evolution you are going to see. Memo's lance design philosophy seems to mimic how i have been building my lances since the 90s. The longbow and wraith are both on my goto mechs list. Other mechs on my goto list include the cauldron born b or f and mad dog b, d or s (time-line dependant).
maybe maybe. I get a few comments about older folks learning new things from the videos. So at least some of the info is new to a few vets. The very least though I think it's interesting that isolated metas have to fight against each other. As long as the game keeps going I'd imagine we'll see some small tweaks and refinement as time goes on. And over the course of a year or three the game will be played diffirently
Tonnage always carries some nice things, but if I can, I prefer to go with 3/4 pilots over 4/5 ones, at the expense of heavier (and/or stronger) units.
Was very interested to see so many pulse lasers in the top lists, and them being cited as one of the takeaway messages - my local playgroup has long had a general consensus that they were trash and a waste of tonnage and weapon slots, that the accuracy buff was more than countered out by the range reduction, and the extra heat/cost on top made them a bad idea. we still all have a few mechs running them, sometimes because it's just a feature of a mech model, sometimes on assaults that are expected to get into cqc or as mG replacemnets for anti infantry without ammo risks. i'm curious to find out to what extent our collective wisdom was wrong, or how much our local meta affected our opinion. Time to build team discoball and find out.
Are you playing Inner Sphere or Clan when it comes to the Pulses? The Clan Pulse Laser ranges are just mean. But even so, there are IS Mechs like the Wraith or the Uziel that have enough maneuverability and survivability to utilize those shorter ranger IS Pulse Lasers to devastating affects. But definitely lost of times on the IS side where 2x regular Medium Lasers are better than 1x IS MPL.
clan pulse lasers are arguably some of the best weapons in the game. The accuracy counts for far more than you think it does. That ER medium laser range doesn't mean much if you can't hit with it.
@@PRC533 Our organizer who is already working on a September tournament has in the past for their March and June events used a "Cheese" modifier that puts a penalty to your score if you have more than X points of Pulse Laser Damager (that stacks, so 2X points is worth twice the negative modifier). They find it helps balance out how powerful the Clan Pulse Lasers are.
@@desertdream2 Inner Sphere only in our group. Having gone and looked at the clantech ones stats, I can see a massive upside to picking those - instead of targets shifting a whole range bracket compared to basic ML, the clan pulse is only losing a hex per bracket compared to ER clan. Also, holy shit, I had forgotten just how bullshit clantech is. Goddamn space magic.
@@Eserchie I am a big fan of the Mechbay Podcast and one of the hosts, Denham, talked about how preferred two regular lasers to a single pulse one the IS side, for basically those reasons. Then I watched people use Mechs like the Uziel-8S and the Wraith TR-1, using the extra mobility of Jump Jets to deliver point blank attacks, usually from the rear, where the range brackets are aligned. Having the -2 from Pulse made a lot of difference to offset the +3 penalty for jumping. All depends on your playstyle, but I have learned to respect the IS Pulse more as I have been on the receiving end of some devastating uses of it.
Mech tournies? Hells yes. I don't play Tabletop just the games where you just go with they heaviest stuff you have and plow ahead... I imagine, however, a good set up could have a long ranged mech with LRMs (Like a Catapult or Archer maybe) hanging back to pepper anything and everything, a big, tanky assault guarding it, a solid heavy to mind the flanks (Or a tanky medium) and something like a Phoenix Hawk to hunt lighter threats or harass the back armor.
It's as true on the table as it is in the video games: durability CANNOT be ignored and many fights boil down to who lasts longer. ... Until the Warhawk pops your noggin with a box cars erPPC hit.
@@nerdyOveranalyzed tried googling, but no success, so if anyone here knows it would be cool to see, channels like yours could explode the player count, I'd like to pit my rosters and strategies vs the best and I'm sure many others would too
@@hraughr If you set comments to sort by "newest first", then scroll all the way to the bottom, that is where Nerdy's pinned comment is (I apologize, I tried sharing it but the YT censors banned my posts with the link in it). It also is tends to be inside the description of every "MRC Jesty" RUclips videos, including the one Jesty did of his own recap of the tournament, an excellent complimentary video to Nerdy's.
My favored tactic to fight an enemy lance is to bring 10 lances.....of tanks. Dice aren't usually kind to me, but even I won't fail with hundreds of rolls. ComStar approves this strategy and is also the best faction.
I'd be interested to see how AC mechs hold up in this sort of tournament setting, especially in eras where specialty ammo is available. The flexibility, extra range, and ability to TAC mechs before breaking armor seems like it could be worth the explosion risk and added weight
In general, autocannons are too inefficient for tonnage when compared to similar energy options, in addition to adding the explosion risk. The reason you only saw the one UAC 20 in these three lists is because it can do something no other weapon can: 40 damage at once. That makes it worth fielding in a specialty role, but only for the clans.
I tried Memos List. My LB got Left Torsoed and Destroyed due to XL Engines in round 3 after running in. My Cerb got 35 damaged in one shot (2 ppc + gauss) to the CT, dying 1 round later. Meh.. sucks to shoot All of the enemy armor before taking 1 mech out while your 1 million Tons of armor get near instant killed by Lucky 1 torso Hits / XL engines And to Lose initiative rolls while being 1 mech down (look above at LB) .. like 4 turns in a row. But : i think the composition is great! Need to play that more often, even tho i fear the XLs in the LB and Cerb.
Sounds a lot different than the game I played when we were young (3025 era battletech, 3rd succession war). Most of our battles were simply slug-fests, it was difficult to do sufficient damage at range so it often came down to brawling or melee. Physical attacks were common, from the light or medium mechs charge attacks to the heavies and assaults punching other heavies or assaults and hoping for that lucky head hit.
Yeah new tech and ubermensch pilots have made the game focus on shooting and running around. 3025 is where it's at. I'd love to see a tournament of that.
Im the only one not surprised here i see stars of 2 or 3 big clan assaults then down to scimping on lights to get under BV , i take 8 inner sphere mediums/heavies and have no problem .
If you set comments to sort by "newest first", then scroll all the way to the bottom, that is where Nerdy's pinned comment is (I apologize, I tried sharing it but the YT censors banned my posts with the link in it). It also is tends to be inside the description of every "MRC Jesty" RUclips video, including the one Jesty did of his own recap of the tournament, an excellent complimentary video to Nerdy's. Our next Tournament is going to be in September, "Are You Afraid of the Dark Age", a 10k BV2 combined arms Dark Age event. Hope you will join us.
I've seen a few tournaments for the various MechWarrior games, Living Legends, and MWO, but I've never seen a tournament for the tabletop game. For some reason I've just never heard, or even thought about there being tournaments before. I'm actually really curious about that since unlike the video games where it's basically someone's piloting skills on display with their preferred mechs, it's significantly more about the tactics they use. I'd like to see this kind of tournament now! = )
@@PRC533 Oh yeah of course! Like growing up, people who were into Battletech/MechWarrior a lot were usually around 10 years older than me until and were more used to when tabletop games were a bigger thing. So I got to hear a lot of people talking nostalgic things about the table top. MWO, Living Legends, Battletech video game all made me realize that people can still get into the MechWarrior/BattleTech series. Then when MechWarrior 5 came out, it shocked me that a I was able to play with a full squad regularly for a while, and I wasn't even trying to advertise and be like "hey play this game with me". People were just interested in it. So I've been trying to look into the tabletop that the games were based on. Though I dunno how many changes the new catalyst games version has made if it made any. It's been fun doing a deeper dive into the series though!
The message here is post 3050 pulse lasers are king which tells you what the meta cheese was for the tournament. You want more interesting matches without the cheese? Make it pre 3028 when the Helm Memory Core was discovered by the Gray Death Legion.
Now i see why there isnt a cluster energy weapon. Crit seekers like srms and lbxs carry the tradeoff of having ammo, so if you had something like the BT2018 snub ppc that could do the same job it would lead to even more dominance of energy-central designs.
cluster energy weapons is stuff like the Hunchback 4P, or Sphinx Standard. just have 5-10+ lasers do the crit seeking :). Piranha 2 is good for that, as is the Dasher P with a bunch of micro pulse lasers. happy to discuss further on the MRC discord.
While on paper mpl are optimal... Only if u are allowing the opponent to close with you. A high skill LRM boat can create maximum range standoff damage that can easily front load the damage mpl's would do in close without the light hunting aspect of it. But lpl are much better at putting down a ligh mech then the alternative; but a melee medium is even better. Both.. both is good. With lrm's at the center of your list you can drop speed in favor of armor and weaponry. Gunning down your opponent and sticking around once they close. Speed is of limited use on the minimum mapsheets most battletech tournament games are played on (and ironically speed leads to slower games) and so has to come in to close the game.
Hrmmmm... my spider sense (the sense that a Spider 8k is about to jump out and blast my rear with a snub ppc) is going off with one of these lists... My understanding of MRC tournaments (based on the 3 rules packets I've seen) is that Unique mechs tend to be banned for force construction - which... the Sun Bear is a Unique tagged mech because of its specific history (there's literally only three functional Sun Bears by the time of 3050, and only two are even in the Sphere) Obviously, this tournament might not have implemented the 'no Uniques' rule I typically saw, but it does send up red flags.
Good catch, that was just a mistake on the Tournament Organizer's part (me). In my defense, I did have 168 Mechs across 39 different lists, but I should have caught that it carries the Unique tag.
@@user-ud5vm2ux8bI mean, the Sun Bear isn't even that powerful, TBH, it's just this "wait, did one of the players on the opposite team bring the wrong uniform for the game? Uh oh"
@@EnderPryde Yeah, and the player who brought probably would have brought something else even more powerful if either of us realized it was Unique, just one of those things I try not to miss when I run an event. No one complained/noticed until you did, so had no real affect, just something I wish I had caught and appreciate that you did.
So my 7500pt competitive list, is just a TDK-7X (2/5) and DVS-2 (2/4). Played against these list on MegaMek and its just been a turkey shoot. Princess isn't a human player, for better or worse. Just deleting an entire mech every 1.25 turns as a meme is just as viable of an option.
I'm not sure about that evolving part - I've played since the early 2000s and pulse lasers were the best weapons then, while ACs were horribly overweight and not worth it. The rules haven't changed all that much.
Autocannons and the ability to utilize specialty ammunition rebalance (somewhat) that formula. Right now one player is using an AC/20 mounted VTOL with Precision Ammo and just wiping the floor with their competition.
As Touman mentioned, 2-6 Mechs. 4 was the most selected (14 players), but 3 actually had the better average performance (only 3 players, so smaller sample, but 3 Mechs averaged 9th place while 4 Mechs averaged 15th place). Another 9 selected 5 Mechs, 8 players selected 6 Mechs, and one player selected just 2 Mechs.
Not the most important thing on the planet, but I think the Cerberus at 5:13 is miscredited. It doesn't look like the work of my boy Harri (with whom I've chatted for a couple of minutes on Discord two or three times, so I'm clearly an expert on his work) and it's listed as someone else's work on Sarna.
Well not sure why they allowed Front Line and Second Line mechs in the same unit and clan mechs with 4/5 pilots plus mixing clan and IS tech in the same force. I would never allow that in a tournament I run.
goal was not so much to be lore accurate, but to be competetive as well as in a more beginner friendly sandbox and push tactics. there were some lore friendly lists, but the higher finishing players all recognized that restricting further was suboptimal for this style. I took part in the event, but MRC is really more of a "pick-up game" format with competitive events. The players usually have other groups we play with for campaigns, lore friendly groups or using advanced rules like quirks or custom mechs. When someone does role up with a lore friendly list, and especially when they win with it, it definately gets nods of approval and raising of beer glasses. It's just not the focus. ~pirate
The absolute hardest fundamental to remember for competitive Battletech is that... Unlike every other game you can think of... There is NO standard for the scene (nearly 40 years in existence, and they still haven't nailed one down).
Mgghhh... I always knew my autocannons and missile launchers were "not-optimal" but it's pretty saddening that they're so rarely used. I like booms more than pew-pews. :(
I want to be veeeery salty about more meta builds and all-around-energy-pulse lasers stuff. But more salty I am about that 4-5 Clan Pilots. Why this always picking? That's not how that faction work, I understand a Lance instead of a Star, but that's just ridiculous. Or that normal without elementals to clarify numbers?
Yea this Tournament was mechs only, a lot of people considered clans to be not viable without elementals before this tournament started and thought taking clan lists was a handicap. The MRC is also capped at 6 units.
Instructions unclear I built two customs armed with a hundred or so rockets each to send their spooky Mechs to the shadow realm, then proceeded to kick the rest to death with locusts. I am a menace and should not play competitive.
Pleasantly surprised the 1st place lance was all inner sphere. That said, inner sphere pulse lasers are garage. The -2 to hit is an illusion when you factor for range
IS Tech allowed the guy instead of "2 Mechs and 2 Bugs" take "3 Mechs and a Bug Hunter". It gets even stupider when you don't have to have the same number of units. For instance, in Battle of Tukayyid campaign book, you can easily get half a Level III fighting a Binary. And that Binary ain't having a good time of it.
ISPLs are good for city fighting and on dedicated platforms like the wraith that can use them to dive in for a stab and then jump out before your opponent can respond. CPLs are just broadly good
I would like to ensure that everyone is aware that the arctic fox in my 2nd place lance had a short stubby ineffective range band and spent all of his time hopping around desperate to use his not actually enough jump jets to avoid dieing.....
Also proceeded to be the MVP of the event for me which says alot considering it's also the only IS mech on my list.
and to thing about >ER PPC< its my favorite weapon and the upgrade is that they do 15 dmg compared to IS 10, which is the actual important bit and why they cost an obscene amount of BV each.
IMO the Clan ER PPC and Large Pulse are the most significant upgrades from IS, the Large Pulse range is incredible at a -1 to hit and the PPC damage is strong no matter what.
Good to see you snowy!!
@@skyefox Minor correction, the LPL is a -2 to hit. The Clan ER PPC being able to do 15 and one shot any (non-hardened armor) Mech in the head is so powerful in comparison to the IS.
FYI the IS ER PPCs don't have a min range either.
Yes!
One thing about the winner lance is that it has a lot more crit seeking weapons. It had the only LRM boat - Longbow, as well as a bunch of MPLs on every mech, and even LLs are decent at underarmor damage.
Lol thanks Sven! Always good to hear from you.
Glad you enjoyed the editing. xD I had fun with it.
Have you been working on any new exciting projects?
@@nerdyOveranalyzed You mixed me up with someone else. :p
@@laz272727 D: What the heck? How did that happen. I do remember YT erroring out when I wrote this. It must have pinned it to your comment instead????
Anyway you are correct! I do think looking at the weapons mix is a good data point to learn from. The massed MPLs in particular seemed quite good!
It is no secret that armor is undervalued in classic BT and that pulse weapons outDPS all other weapon types by accuracy alone. It's a deadly combo.
Mmh! Good to know! It was honestly rather surprising to me when I looked at the data!
Armour IS of limited value. Once it's gone, it's gone. There's no way to get it back. On the other hand, if you can get a high TMM, you can get that high TMM every turn. So, a force that relies on TMM for its defence will outperform a force that relies on armour in a war of attrittion. Of course, the downside with relying on TMM as your defence is that you have to stay on the move so, sometimes, you will suffer by not being in the best position to maximise your range modifiers.
Oh, and IS pulse lasers only beat regular lasers for accuracy at less than half a dozen ranges, thanks to their reduced ranges compared to regular lasers, so the -2 to hit is not as good as it looks at first glance (for example, a MPL has better to hit numbers than a regular ML at only 1, 2 and 4 hexes range. At all other ranges, the ML is in the previous range bracket when compared to a MPL, and thus is not suffering the +2 range modifier. Not to mention, the MPL simply cannot shoot at 7-9 hexes). Of course, there's the extra damage to consider, and Clan pulse lasers blow this out of the water (but then, Clan tech is just straight up better than IS tech...)
Not inner sphere pulse lasers. Inner sphere pulse lasers are garbage. Clan pulse? Sure. Clan LPL is probably the best weapon in the game. IS MPL? Trash.
You only get -2 if you're within 2 hexes. Sh after that they have the same accuracy as a standard medium due to the increased take bracket, and then they're useless after 6 hexes while the standard medium is not.
Throw in the fact that they're double the tonnage AND more heat and you have one of the most worthless weapons in the entire inner sphere arsenal.
In my last play group, one of the guys dropped a 400 engine into an 80 ton mech with MASC. Gave it a targeting computer, a clan LPL, and filled the rest of the tonnage with heat sinks and clan MPLs. It did great at keeping in brawling range, and would shred whatever you aimed it at in a turn or two.
Agree.
Small pulse lasers are almost always worth the upgrade in particular, on a melee oriented mech.
WOOOOOOO! This was a fun one! Thanks for covering! ~pirate
I took part in this tournament too and ended somewhere in the middle of the pack 18th out of 38 iirc.
I made a mixed medium/light lance where 2 hunchbacks were acting as Battleline/bodyguard mechs, 2 Blackjack-omnis as rangers and 2 lights (Tarantula + Venom) as flankers/antilight/objective runners. I think it could have ranked higher since 1 of the matches I royally messed up. But my list kind of followed the same design as the winning lists except my 4 mediums acted as the 2 assaults the top lists and my lights acted as the scout cavalry of the 2nd and 3rd place lists.
I learned a lot during this tournament, way more than just solo playing against Princess and it was tons of fun!
There's currently another tournament going on in MRC this month and my first match is today!
Hope you had fun in the tournement!
So glad to hear that! Hope you enjoy Operation Klondike as much as you did Tukayyid Heat (if not more).
So I’m a week into researching this game. Never played. Very, very interested. Love the idea and aesthetic of the clans, but still looking into things.
Welcome aboard! Enjoy your exploraion!
CORRECTION: Art Credit on the Cerberus incorrect. The Dana Knutson is the actual artist! Not Harri Kallio.
The tournament was held at the MRC Discord if you'd like to join! discord.gg/WUvbXQRRfW
The 3rd Place winner (Jesty) makes videos if you'd like to check it out www.youtube.com/@ChrisZestyJesty
Thanks for the shout out Otto, appreciate it. If anyone is interested I did make a tournament review video and went over my matches in brief. You can actually see the movement for the most part as we sorta fast forward through the footage.
Best video you've done and one of the better Battletech videos on RUclips. I would love to see more videos like this.
I had to fight Snow's lance in a probe mission.. i got completely wiped. Snow's an amazing player! I learn a lot every time i play him
Ayyy, good to see you Maya! D: Glad you're learning at least!
@nerdyOveranalyzed eyyy good to see you too. This tournament was crazy fun...i had a sort of gimmicky/fluffy Jade Falcon lance made of one clan mech and 3 bondsmen in IS mechs
Inner Sphere stays winning. Also, given the different stipulations tournaments can have, it’s going to be very hard to ever solve the game. Like, if any of the criteria up front changed, the meta completely shifts.
Very true! I think it would be a matter of learning the vanilla version of the game and then being able to account for the small adjustments of the custom rules.
Well for example my store does 10k games by default which opens up more assaults but also increases the points you can spend on gunnery and pilot skill which can make a huge difference in lance comp I've seen a decent amount of success with similar lists to these but that had to do with me not liking ammo explosions and loving the awesome!
I hope the meta eventually just becomes "Have a better idea of how your force works together than your opponent", because that seemed to be the trend.
We had tournaments where top players have brought all 6/6 pilots and placed.
List building while a big part of game, doesn't replace knowing the fundamentals of the game
Great video! It's nice to see all the theory come together, hopefully we can get more of these!
Fascinating video, this is a side of Battletech I've heard little about.
Glad you enjoyed! It was interesting for me to look at as well and compare my "fluff" ideas to the "tournament" ones.
I'm just a collector and theory crafter at this point, but I think these are all good points to consider. I tend to start building a lance with a big tanky boy to anchor the battle line and then consider what mechs might synergize. But even with my more weapons focused mechs, I lean towards the more bulky mechs. In the succession wars, the Orion is my favorite mech because it looks cool, but also it's really tanky and can utilize it's weapons/heat well at all ranges. The Stalker is my second favorite mech because despite being armed to the teeth, it has really solid armor for the BV. I like pairing them together and then basing my last two on what I need for that particular engagement. If I need to be fast, I can go with a Phoenix Hawk and Wolfhound to zip around. If I can afford to play defensive, I can drop in a Vindicator or something fun like a Hunchback and a Centurion to play bodyguards.
It's hard in the Succession Wars era, but I try to put a minimum of 4 Piercing weapons in each 5k BV lances.
Yeah! Hope you can test your theories out soon!
Great video, and I really liked the breakdown for force building. I think that is where a lot of players are at a loss, trying to develop a lance/Star that isn't just "Well this looks cool."
Is there a link to the full results, force comp, and possible BatReps?
Absolutely love it. Love seeing Clan score two of the top three and even better, seeing them rock a Stone Rhino and a Warhawk. Huzzah for my beloved assault mechs!
Was also really cool to see the IS list too. Your analysis on the Gallowglas is why I love Guillotines, Grasshoppers, Zeus, and even Chargers. Big bully mechs that can force lighter ones to rethink their life choices.
Thanks for the vid!
Lights are always a problem unless you have an obvious statement that they will get ONE, and just ONE, salvo before being obliterated. That may buy you lost turns, effectively removing one or two enemy mechs from the game "waiting for an opening" which may never come... or charge into a glorious fireball chancing a lucky roll.
In any case, as always, a competitive scene proves the motto of professional gamblers: they hate chance (so the more stable and predictable you can make the situation, the better)
I was actually not planning on using this list, but I changed my list a few weeks before the tournament because people were talking crap about the Stone Rhino, so i had to show them whats up.
@@ChrisZestyJesty one has to start the list at something, and a good, hard glacier is seldom a bad choice! It's aesthetics are, then, a matter of choice and loadout ^^
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed.
@@ChrisZestyJesty Good on ya, mate! Congrats on ranking up there. Hope it was fun!
One of the major factors in CBT that gets overlooked is map choice. If the maps played are known ahead of time, it allows players to build forces around the terrain. Long range weapons aren't as effective if one map is full of heavy woods or buildings.
Imo mapa should be known always or else we get the MechWarrior online problem, where some mechs work better on certain maps than others.
I always thought people were too harsh on that 3058 version of the Longbow! Nice. Gotta love it that an Inner Sphere team took the top slot.
Huzzah!
Can you imagine an event like this set in the ilClan era? The tech would be insane!
Can confirm, it can get pretty wild, but it's still fun simultaneously.
It would be!
Our September tournament is Dark Age and will probably have an ilClan tournament in the November time frame.
I'd love to see what stratgies were fielded, both from the clan side and inner sphere.
Yeah! This was only a quickie tactics thing, but it would be interesting to go more in depth!
it may be a filthy clan rifleman.. but a rifleman made it nonetheless! Proud of my anti-air-and-that-guy-behind-me Boy!
Rad. I am doing a campaign soon and as a new player needed some more info on how to build and work lances together. Appreciate the break down.
You're welcome Commander! Glad it was useful!
I am saving this video for later, despite my usual go-to list not being viable for this particular tourney(my main faction is Terran Hegemony/SLDF). BUT That being said, I am going to apply the findings to my future games, keep up the good work and your are well worth the C-bill retainer :)
Thank you Commander! I'm saving up for a trip to Canopus!
Hope yyou get a lot out of it!
@@nerdyOveranalyzed Been there, got the T-shirt.
I get the feeling we're not paying you enough...I may have to have a talk with Mr. Blake about your retainer.
For the second place team the pulse laser is very much the theme for the entire fighting force, the heavy machines mount 6 of the large versions between them. As well as targeting gear. It allows them to negate their own motions and keep their defensive modifiers up more readily as well. Clan pulse lasers still reach quite a distance, in the case of the large it's double the reach of it's IS counterpart making it more a comparative to the IS PPC than to lasers. at least play wise.
For the ER PPCs on the Warhawk, all ER PPCs from both factions have no minimum range, it's what makes the upgrade to say the Wyvren make so much sense, it allows it to use the gun in close city brawls, and also compensates for it's low speed by giving reach at the far end.
Really great walk around of the lances though, love the content Otto.
motions? what motions, those arent mechs, they are slightly mobile turrets. moving just ruins your accuracy, best to stand still and shoot. preferably on a hill, behind a 1 taller hill, in a woods.
It's interesting that the winning force was inner sphere. I've noticed a similar outcome in my own casual games, where high tech clan forces can be beaten out by inner sphere teams that have more primitive weapons and slower movement, but just ridiculous amounts of armor.
Particularly at 7000 BV, IS teams could just overwhelm with numbers.
@@colbyboucher6391 it's fairly common to cap number of units in tournament settings so you don't get gooby shit like 40 Savannah masters or 18 locusts or something. If you're capped out at lance v lance, the clans will generally have better guns while the is will have better pilots or bigger blobs of armor.
@@ngryleprechaun87 Well, yeah, but if this MRC tournament is like the one I was in a couple months back, the unit cap was at 7. The Clans really struggled to fill out the whole roster at 7000 BV.
Yea the unit cap for MRC in general is 6 units. Without elementals a lot of people considered clan lists to not be viable, but I think snow and I proved otherwise.
@@ChrisZestyJesty for sure, the stone rhino and warhawk are each almost enough to anchor a whole team on
Great video guide!!
I just started getting into battletech. I've been painting the 'mechs I got in the AGOAC box but haven't played yet. I can't wait until I can take all this knowledge into my first actual game and get absolutely crushed.
Hooray for getting slammed!
I don't know how much of an evolution you are going to see.
Memo's lance design philosophy seems to mimic how i have been building my lances since the 90s.
The longbow and wraith are both on my goto mechs list.
Other mechs on my goto list include the cauldron born b or f and mad dog b, d or s (time-line dependant).
maybe maybe. I get a few comments about older folks learning new things from the videos. So at least some of the info is new to a few vets. The very least though I think it's interesting that isolated metas have to fight against each other.
As long as the game keeps going I'd imagine we'll see some small tweaks and refinement as time goes on. And over the course of a year or three the game will be played diffirently
Keep up the good work; this is a very high quality breakdown!
Glad you enjoyed! I'll keep making videos!
What did you think of Sefladrone's list BTW? The heaviest list in the tournament
Tonnage always carries some nice things, but if I can, I prefer to go with 3/4 pilots over 4/5 ones, at the expense of heavier (and/or stronger) units.
Was very interested to see so many pulse lasers in the top lists, and them being cited as one of the takeaway messages - my local playgroup has long had a general consensus that they were trash and a waste of tonnage and weapon slots, that the accuracy buff was more than countered out by the range reduction, and the extra heat/cost on top made them a bad idea.
we still all have a few mechs running them, sometimes because it's just a feature of a mech model, sometimes on assaults that are expected to get into cqc or as mG replacemnets for anti infantry without ammo risks.
i'm curious to find out to what extent our collective wisdom was wrong, or how much our local meta affected our opinion.
Time to build team discoball and find out.
Are you playing Inner Sphere or Clan when it comes to the Pulses? The Clan Pulse Laser ranges are just mean. But even so, there are IS Mechs like the Wraith or the Uziel that have enough maneuverability and survivability to utilize those shorter ranger IS Pulse Lasers to devastating affects. But definitely lost of times on the IS side where 2x regular Medium Lasers are better than 1x IS MPL.
clan pulse lasers are arguably some of the best weapons in the game. The accuracy counts for far more than you think it does. That ER medium laser range doesn't mean much if you can't hit with it.
@@PRC533 Our organizer who is already working on a September tournament has in the past for their March and June events used a "Cheese" modifier that puts a penalty to your score if you have more than X points of Pulse Laser Damager (that stacks, so 2X points is worth twice the negative modifier). They find it helps balance out how powerful the Clan Pulse Lasers are.
@@desertdream2 Inner Sphere only in our group.
Having gone and looked at the clantech ones stats, I can see a massive upside to picking those - instead of targets shifting a whole range bracket compared to basic ML, the clan pulse is only losing a hex per bracket compared to ER clan.
Also, holy shit, I had forgotten just how bullshit clantech is. Goddamn space magic.
@@Eserchie I am a big fan of the Mechbay Podcast and one of the hosts, Denham, talked about how preferred two regular lasers to a single pulse one the IS side, for basically those reasons. Then I watched people use Mechs like the Uziel-8S and the Wraith TR-1, using the extra mobility of Jump Jets to deliver point blank attacks, usually from the rear, where the range brackets are aligned. Having the -2 from Pulse made a lot of difference to offset the +3 penalty for jumping. All depends on your playstyle, but I have learned to respect the IS Pulse more as I have been on the receiving end of some devastating uses of it.
Curious to see a video on how to build a competitive Star or Nova formation.
Mech tournies? Hells yes.
I don't play Tabletop just the games where you just go with they heaviest stuff you have and plow ahead... I imagine, however, a good set up could have a long ranged mech with LRMs (Like a Catapult or Archer maybe) hanging back to pepper anything and everything, a big, tanky assault guarding it, a solid heavy to mind the flanks (Or a tanky medium) and something like a Phoenix Hawk to hunt lighter threats or harass the back armor.
It's as true on the table as it is in the video games: durability CANNOT be ignored and many fights boil down to who lasts longer.
... Until the Warhawk pops your noggin with a box cars erPPC hit.
And this is why Battletech trumps WH40K
:^)
can someone linke the discord server here?
should be the first comment!
@@nerdyOveranalyzed tried googling, but no success, so if anyone here knows it would be cool to see, channels like yours could explode the player count, I'd like to pit my rosters and strategies vs the best and I'm sure many others would too
@@hraughr If you set comments to sort by "newest first", then scroll all the way to the bottom, that is where Nerdy's pinned comment is (I apologize, I tried sharing it but the YT censors banned my posts with the link in it). It also is tends to be inside the description of every "MRC Jesty" RUclips videos, including the one Jesty did of his own recap of the tournament, an excellent complimentary video to Nerdy's.
@@user-ud5vm2ux8b thank you!
The art for the Arctic Fox is just bonkers 😂
Excellent stuff as usual
My favored tactic to fight an enemy lance is to bring 10 lances.....of tanks. Dice aren't usually kind to me, but even I won't fail with hundreds of rolls. ComStar approves this strategy and is also the best faction.
I'd be interested to see how AC mechs hold up in this sort of tournament setting, especially in eras where specialty ammo is available. The flexibility, extra range, and ability to TAC mechs before breaking armor seems like it could be worth the explosion risk and added weight
Precision ammo and AP ammo were available for this Tournament.
Mmh, looks like even though a few of the ammo types were available they didn't really make it? Which is a bit sad D:
In general, autocannons are too inefficient for tonnage when compared to similar energy options, in addition to adding the explosion risk. The reason you only saw the one UAC 20 in these three lists is because it can do something no other weapon can: 40 damage at once. That makes it worth fielding in a specialty role, but only for the clans.
Imo a 3025 era tournament would completely shift the meta, since pulse lasers are a no no. I'd like to see one.
I tried Memos List.
My LB got Left Torsoed and Destroyed due to XL Engines in round 3 after running in.
My Cerb got 35 damaged in one shot (2 ppc + gauss) to the CT, dying 1 round later.
Meh.. sucks to shoot All of the enemy armor before taking 1 mech out while your 1 million Tons of armor get near instant killed by Lucky 1 torso Hits / XL engines
And to Lose initiative rolls while being 1 mech down (look above at LB) .. like 4 turns in a row.
But : i think the composition is great! Need to play that more often, even tho i fear the XLs in the LB and Cerb.
Sounds a lot different than the game I played when we were young (3025 era battletech, 3rd succession war). Most of our battles were simply slug-fests, it was difficult to do sufficient damage at range so it often came down to brawling or melee. Physical attacks were common, from the light or medium mechs charge attacks to the heavies and assaults punching other heavies or assaults and hoping for that lucky head hit.
As long as you play in the succession wars aera, its still the same game....
Yeah new tech and ubermensch pilots have made the game focus on shooting and running around. 3025 is where it's at. I'd love to see a tournament of that.
intresting very different to my local meta where combined arms are used a lot. Thows a cruve ball were you need to consider infanty
Im the only one not surprised here i see stars of 2 or 3 big clan assaults then down to scimping on lights to get under BV , i take 8 inner sphere mediums/heavies and have no problem .
The MRC has a 6 unit cap, and it was mechs only, so no elementals.
I dunno, big guns are fun!
Rifleman IIC is one of the bestest mechs imo.
Where was the tournament listed? I would love to try one of these.
If you set comments to sort by "newest first", then scroll all the way to the bottom, that is where Nerdy's pinned comment is (I apologize, I tried sharing it but the YT censors banned my posts with the link in it). It also is tends to be inside the description of every "MRC Jesty" RUclips video, including the one Jesty did of his own recap of the tournament, an excellent complimentary video to Nerdy's. Our next Tournament is going to be in September, "Are You Afraid of the Dark Age", a 10k BV2 combined arms Dark Age event. Hope you will join us.
Where does someone find a tournament?
Check the pinned note!
@@nerdyOveranalyzedi don't see any pinned comment.
I've seen a few tournaments for the various MechWarrior games, Living Legends, and MWO, but I've never seen a tournament for the tabletop game. For some reason I've just never heard, or even thought about there being tournaments before. I'm actually really curious about that since unlike the video games where it's basically someone's piloting skills on display with their preferred mechs, it's significantly more about the tactics they use.
I'd like to see this kind of tournament now! = )
Battletech tournaments existed long before the video games :)
@@PRC533 Oh yeah of course! Like growing up, people who were into Battletech/MechWarrior a lot were usually around 10 years older than me until and were more used to when tabletop games were a bigger thing. So I got to hear a lot of people talking nostalgic things about the table top.
MWO, Living Legends, Battletech video game all made me realize that people can still get into the MechWarrior/BattleTech series. Then when MechWarrior 5 came out, it shocked me that a I was able to play with a full squad regularly for a while, and I wasn't even trying to advertise and be like "hey play this game with me". People were just interested in it. So I've been trying to look into the tabletop that the games were based on. Though I dunno how many changes the new catalyst games version has made if it made any. It's been fun doing a deeper dive into the series though!
The message here is post 3050 pulse lasers are king which tells you what the meta cheese was for the tournament. You want more interesting matches without the cheese? Make it pre 3028 when the Helm Memory Core was discovered by the Gray Death Legion.
Hey, still able to share the system you use to rate the mechs you look at (talking about last video)
It's just a evaluation matrix!
@@nerdyOveranalyzed then how do I use the matrix? I want to use it to evaluate my custom mechs to see what sort of flaws or strengths they have.
where can i watch the tournament?
MRC Jesty RUclips channel has some of the matches posted.
Now i see why there isnt a cluster energy weapon. Crit seekers like srms and lbxs carry the tradeoff of having ammo, so if you had something like the BT2018 snub ppc that could do the same job it would lead to even more dominance of energy-central designs.
cluster energy weapons is stuff like the Hunchback 4P, or Sphinx Standard. just have 5-10+ lasers do the crit seeking :). Piranha 2 is good for that, as is the Dasher P with a bunch of micro pulse lasers. happy to discuss further on the MRC discord.
While on paper mpl are optimal... Only if u are allowing the opponent to close with you.
A high skill LRM boat can create maximum range standoff damage that can easily front load the damage mpl's would do in close without the light hunting aspect of it.
But lpl are much better at putting down a ligh mech then the alternative; but a melee medium is even better. Both.. both is good.
With lrm's at the center of your list you can drop speed in favor of armor and weaponry. Gunning down your opponent and sticking around once they close. Speed is of limited use on the minimum mapsheets most battletech tournament games are played on (and ironically speed leads to slower games) and so has to come in to close the game.
These lists were actually used in a tournament! I feel like it demonstrated that MPLs work in practice.
All of that is entirely dependent on the map type and size.
Any love for the Agrotera and Spider-8XR combo out here today?
So I assume these were all stock variants?
Yes, within the MRC we always play stock Mechs for ranked games and tournaments.
Whenever I hear piercing I think of TAC, is that a special rule somewhere or just the weapon does a lot of damage in a single hit?
It's just referencing weapons that do large damage to a single location, rather than spread it out like cluster weapons or multiple small weapons do.
It was on MegaMek?
All our online tournaments are done via MegaMek
yis!
Hrmmmm... my spider sense (the sense that a Spider 8k is about to jump out and blast my rear with a snub ppc) is going off with one of these lists...
My understanding of MRC tournaments (based on the 3 rules packets I've seen) is that Unique mechs tend to be banned for force construction - which... the Sun Bear is a Unique tagged mech because of its specific history (there's literally only three functional Sun Bears by the time of 3050, and only two are even in the Sphere)
Obviously, this tournament might not have implemented the 'no Uniques' rule I typically saw, but it does send up red flags.
Good catch, that was just a mistake on the Tournament Organizer's part (me). In my defense, I did have 168 Mechs across 39 different lists, but I should have caught that it carries the Unique tag.
@@user-ud5vm2ux8bI mean, the Sun Bear isn't even that powerful, TBH, it's just this "wait, did one of the players on the opposite team bring the wrong uniform for the game? Uh oh"
@@EnderPryde Yeah, and the player who brought probably would have brought something else even more powerful if either of us realized it was Unique, just one of those things I try not to miss when I run an event. No one complained/noticed until you did, so had no real affect, just something I wish I had caught and appreciate that you did.
So my 7500pt competitive list, is just a TDK-7X (2/5) and DVS-2 (2/4). Played against these list on MegaMek and its just been a turkey shoot. Princess isn't a human player, for better or worse. Just deleting an entire mech every 1.25 turns as a meme is just as viable of an option.
I'm not sure about that evolving part - I've played since the early 2000s and pulse lasers were the best weapons then, while ACs were horribly overweight and not worth it. The rules haven't changed all that much.
Autocannons and the ability to utilize specialty ammunition rebalance (somewhat) that formula. Right now one player is using an AC/20 mounted VTOL with Precision Ammo and just wiping the floor with their competition.
was the tournament limiting players to choosing a lance of 4 mechs? Or could people have less than 4, more than 4? Just limit it to mechs and BV?
I think it was 6 mechs max, but with front loaded initiative so there was less a need to take the maximum number of mechs!
2-6 mechs. it just happens at that 7.5K BV, 4 apepars optimal, but there were 2,3,4,5 and 6 unit lists
As Touman mentioned, 2-6 Mechs. 4 was the most selected (14 players), but 3 actually had the better average performance (only 3 players, so smaller sample, but 3 Mechs averaged 9th place while 4 Mechs averaged 15th place). Another 9 selected 5 Mechs, 8 players selected 6 Mechs, and one player selected just 2 Mechs.
NERDY!
What Tournament was this? Hope you’re doing well.
Heya Stigma! It was a tourney on Discord (link in comments). I'm doing well!
Can barely hear the video, audio super low at max volume
Not the most important thing on the planet, but I think the Cerberus at 5:13 is miscredited. It doesn't look like the work of my boy Harri (with whom I've chatted for a couple of minutes on Discord two or three times, so I'm clearly an expert on his work) and it's listed as someone else's work on Sarna.
Oh gosh! Sorry about that! I've made a mention of it in the pinned message!
How do you play Battletech over discord?
voice chat + megamek
Question, why are people playing "clans" using lances?
tournament shenanigans and trying to make BV limits most likely
Well not sure why they allowed Front Line and Second Line mechs in the same unit and clan mechs with 4/5 pilots plus mixing clan and IS tech in the same force. I would never allow that in a tournament I run.
goal was not so much to be lore accurate, but to be competetive as well as in a more beginner friendly sandbox and push tactics. there were some lore friendly lists, but the higher finishing players all recognized that restricting further was suboptimal for this style. I took part in the event, but MRC is really more of a "pick-up game" format with competitive events. The players usually have other groups we play with for campaigns, lore friendly groups or using advanced rules like quirks or custom mechs. When someone does role up with a lore friendly list, and especially when they win with it, it definately gets nods of approval and raising of beer glasses. It's just not the focus. ~pirate
You should send MRC Command your tournament packet then, they are always looking for more data/research.
Light and fast... Shows an Urbie.
The absolute hardest fundamental to remember for competitive Battletech is that... Unlike every other game you can think of... There is NO standard for the scene (nearly 40 years in existence, and they still haven't nailed one down).
We are trying to fix that. 🙂
Mgghhh... I always knew my autocannons and missile launchers were "not-optimal" but it's pretty saddening that they're so rarely used. I like booms more than pew-pews. :(
Ye, oh well. :( Good to see what was strong though!
I want to be veeeery salty about more meta builds and all-around-energy-pulse lasers stuff. But more salty I am about that 4-5 Clan Pilots.
Why this always picking? That's not how that faction work, I understand a Lance instead of a Star, but that's just ridiculous.
Or that normal without elementals to clarify numbers?
Yea this Tournament was mechs only, a lot of people considered clans to be not viable without elementals before this tournament started and thought taking clan lists was a handicap. The MRC is also capped at 6 units.
Yeah I was quite sad there were no Elementals D:
I think it's good to see what's good!
Brick walling clanners is biggest problem with bv2. Cheaper mechs with alot more armor.
bring 6/6 clan assault mechs and you can field atleast 3 at that BV level lol
@@toumanihon641 lol not bad idea.
@@ero9841 its not. i was in the tournament and placed 4th with 6/6 turkina, warhawk, dire wolf and locust IIC lol
Man that's a weird way to pronounce 4 Atlases
Instructions unclear
I built two customs armed with a hundred or so rockets each to send their spooky Mechs to the shadow realm, then proceeded to kick the rest to death with locusts. I am a menace and should not play competitive.
A real shame they only allowed mechs.
Pleasantly surprised the 1st place lance was all inner sphere.
That said, inner sphere pulse lasers are garage. The -2 to hit is an illusion when you factor for range
post clan tech IS is OP if you know where to look
IS Tech allowed the guy instead of "2 Mechs and 2 Bugs" take "3 Mechs and a Bug Hunter". It gets even stupider when you don't have to have the same number of units. For instance, in Battle of Tukayyid campaign book, you can easily get half a Level III fighting a Binary. And that Binary ain't having a good time of it.
That sounds hilarious
ISPLs are good for city fighting and on dedicated platforms like the wraith that can use them to dive in for a stab and then jump out before your opponent can respond. CPLs are just broadly good
Luckily for us, the MRC in general has a 6 unit cap.
I wonder if in later eras this meta would still work when you have things like reflective armor
The core idea behold the meta still works. The weapons load out changes slightly
Dunno! I haven't looked at the data at all!
Pulse lasers are king -2 to hit means getting damage on target. The dice gods a cruel, get every advantage you can
Auto cannons with precision ammo are also very scary, especially when you have a unit with an AC/20. Or multiple AC/10's.
They seem pretty good!