Razor Ecosmart Metro Battery Upgrades
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Great video, thanks for sharing how to do the upgrades
After seeing your videos, I was convinced to buy a metro myself. I live in the desert , and am disabled as well. You are right that this has been a Godsend purchase for mobility. It's my grocery getter, my freedom, my legs. Running it 2 years now since I moved back to Tucson. Keep up the informative videos and Know how gratfull I am to you. Thankyou
Thank you for the tank comparison. I don't want to burn up my motor going faster. This is a great tut!
HUGE, BIG THANKS for making this video! I was in the middle of an upgrade just like yours but was uncertain about whether the wiring needed to be changed. I was afraid I might make a costly mistake but thanks to you, I didn’t!
I’ve been very disappointed in my echo smart because I am now on my fourth motor. I have only had it four months. I don’t abuse it. I live in a small community where our pool is located about 2/10 of a mile from my home. It’s on a slight downhill grade. I don’t use much power getting there and Have no difficulty returning home until I’ve made four or five trips. I burned out the first motor after about 20 trips. The second motor after about 12 and the third motor after about 12 trips. I always recharge the battery every time I park the scooter. I weigh 200 pounds so that should not be a causative factor.
The scooter is now out of warranty but I did purchase an extended warranty and they are sending me another motor. If you have any insight as to what I might do to extend the life of the motor I would appreciate it.
Nice video. I have the same EcoSmart scooter and love cruising around and going to the store and what not. I am already researching and thinking about putting a brush-less motor, Lithium battery pack, new controller and seeing if I can get another 10 mph+ and about 30 or so miles in range. I think this is more than doable and for a very reasonable price if I get the parts sent from China.
Thanks again for showing what improvements you have done and are working on for the future. I"ve been watching and commenting on your videos for almost a year now.
Thumbs up as always
God Bless bro.
Were you able to find a lithium battery? I've been looking online and can't find any specifically for EcoSmart. Can you help?
@@chrisg307 ..... I've found a few that should work but I have yet to purchase any. Just when I was starting to put a little extra money away, the damned pandemic kinda threw me for a spin.
When I end up purchasing one, I can post you back and let you know what I have chosen and set up.
I have to do a little more research on the electronics of stats of the motor and the controller to make sure it all can handle a lithium swap out. It really shouldn't be a problem if the charging port is bypassed because it won't work with lithium batteries. I am planning on just mounting the actual charging plug from he lithium pack using the same side cutout where the stock charging port is now mounted.
I hope you are doing great with your scooter, cuz they really are a lot of fun.
@@skyym3629 thx! Looking forward to info!
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I’m also curious
And please let me know if you find out how to do it
Good job. Since the wire used is basically the same color, wrap a stripe of black electrical tape on the negative wires so that when you look at them again, you can easily identify negative from positive. I like your analogy of comparing battery capacity to fuel tank size.
You are my hero! You give me incentive to strive for more.
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150 likes far short of 500. Just simply hit like while the video is loading support this gentleman he's entertaining he's got a great personality he loves to share information. Neil and a couple of years when I get my teardrop built I'm going to be looking for you on the road
Thanks for the video. I will be watching you for more up grades. I too will be mounting a camera on my scooter - it is my only transportation
Now you'll be able to venture out and see more while your traveling 🛵 👍👍 have fun and stay safe in your travels, God Bless
awesome video! i just did the same thing with mighty max 12v 15 ah batteries and it turned out awesome. God bless!!!
I almost went with mighty max, but when I found Keyko I had to grab them up!
Hey there! I just got the Mighty Max 15ah batteries. And the mileage is now less than the original 7ah batteries. Did you experience the same thing? I could get 7miles with the 7ah batteries, I'm only getting 5.5 miles with the 15ah batteries.
@@TailsFurse did you ever figure out why you were getting less miles with the mighty Max? I'm about to purchase these, but seen your comment
@@wacoachrusso its to do with some kind of weird thing they did internally in the battery. The voltage of these 15ah batteries is slightly higher than that of a regular battery.
When I had these in my scooter, the scooter went slightly faster! 20mph, instead of 17mph. But the range was far less than I thought it would . Never figured it out. I ended up using these batteries for my electric lawn mower instead.
If you are looking for batteries to get ya further, I would pass on these.
I never tried the mighty Max batteries. I get a little increase in miles I can go with the Keyko, but I also changed gearing and tires on my ecosmart so that makes a difference in both my top speed and my milage.
Thanks for explaining how those batteries work, before I was totally confused.
Thx for the vid. I have a Metro HD so my battery compartment is different. Gunna hafta do some reverse engineering (i.e breaking) to get all 3 upgraded batteries to fit. Will do a vid of mine as well.
wonder if it's possible to keep the original batteries and put them in a basket on the back, extending the range even further
Occasionally I check the online markets to see if I can find a deal on one of these scooters. I haven't looked in while but I found one today that was listed yesterday for $80. It looks fine from the photos and the seller replied that it was still available. The ad mentions the batteries may need to be replaced but that's not a deal breaker at that price. It's a great excuse to up grade to the 12 amp batteries. Hopefully it's in good shape and becomes mine tomorrow.
I just ordered a Razor eco smart scooter like yours. My knees are shot and I can't walk far. I like your upgrades; I will do the same when my stock conponents wear out.
Tight fit. Well sorted
great video man....good luck with all your projects
Thanks getting my razor e300 soon upgrades in mind
These EcoSmart Metro scooters were awesome a few years ago but the lead acid batteries suck. I just got a Hiboy S2 Pro and it's far superior. It's faster, has a longer range with a lithium ion battery. Also, it has a headlight/tail light and a battery indicator/speedometer. It has shocks too. I weigh 250 and I get around 14-16 miles of range. You can customize the top speed with the app and I keep the top speed set at 19 mph.
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Oh and it's the same price as the EcoSmart Metro.
Just looked them up. They are $100-150 more expensive town what I paid for mine, and I wouldn't be able to take the hiboy to places I take the ecosmart.
If I were a city dweller and all I ever travelled were sidewalks and the occasional side street it might be ok, but I punish my equipment.
I drive a stick😄, most people in the UK do; so I understood the gear part👍.l am convinced that if l watch enough people build their van etc l will understand wiring😊. Great job again Neil.👍
Wiring isn't complicated until it gets complicated 😂😂😂😂
I've been looking at batteries online and discovered the 15ah SLA batteries are the same size as the 12ah. I also found a 3 pack of 15ah AGM batteries the same size for $140, about 50% more than the SLA batteries. That may be a better option being they deep cycle better and last longer than SLA batteries.
Do you have a link for the batteries you got? I'm looking around for replacements now.
How much would you say that it extended your range?
bob not to argue the motor is 36v and 500w so max continuous motor draw do the math 500w/36v == 14amps so a battery that can provide 20amps continuous is fine
Would’ve like to see you ride it on camera
Great as usual!
Thanks for your video. it was helpful to see the inside of the battery compartment untouched with the lid open w/out having to open the scooter up. Im curious about all of your upgrades and how they have affected the speed of your scooter? The weakness of the ecosmart razor is that it is very bad going up hills, and battery life/performance is not that great from the stock setup. I like your attempts to upgrade, but I am guessing that the much larger tires and much larger batteries have produced a significant overall weight increase in the scooters total weight. I would think this would affect the performance, especially if you are an adult on the heavy side of the maximum weight of the scooter's capacity which I believe is 220lbs for the stock motor. How is your speed now? I am guessing that after your tires were upgraded the battery upgrade was almost mandatory because of the size/weight increase. I have an ecosmart and I really like it, but I question sometimes these "upgrades" people like to do maybe in the end sometimes they are not always worthwhile with the battery upgrade being maybe the exception. Also did the bamboo lid fit back snug after the larger taller batteries were installed? Thanks again for taking the time to make the video ;)
Lid fit back on, and I lowered the gearing for better hill climbs
Maybe you can help me trouble shoot this. I also have an ecosmart and I need more distance. I tried switching out one of the 12v 7ah batteries for a 12v 12ah battery and it won’t turn over. I even fully charged the bigger battery before installing it. Not sure if it matters but I tried installing it at the end of the wire harness. Would the harness placement matter?
hey so im wanting to upgrade mine as well. I have ordered the 3 batteries on amazon. I just don't understand the clips. can you explain. Do I need to order them as well and how do I attach them???? help please
Wow cool jib I didn't realize how big your property I have a scooter too just for shirt hops prob about 12 to 15 mile range never GI too far the only thing is the seat sucks hurts my but cause no suspension in it and I'm a big butt lol Happy labor day to you too Neil...
I purchased a 30ah 36v lipo battery pack will share with you the harness upgrade and link to the battery pack physically small enough for multiple packs to fit
I just got one of these today. I would like to put fenders on it to keep everything clean. You should do a how-to video for installing fenders on it.
I don't want fenders, sorry. 😎
@@BNeilBrown
But I do!
I got started, but didn't have any female clips, and boy do I wish I had that bench set up. Now I totally understand what you meant by being visual about how the battery's were wired and why you turned the one in the center reverse to the other two. Great idea that way we don't mix up how they were setting just turned to the side, too cool.
On my way to the dollar store to see if maybe they have any clips big enough, but I need to charge my battery's. i hate doing that cause I'm just going to be taking them out, maybe I'll walk it's a beautiful day in the neighbored Ha! Ha!, see you in the joint on visiting day, stay well my friend, stay well.
I took the tire of my scooter and now it doesnt turn the tire..What i did wrong..I have a video asking for help!
I'm doing my Razor ecosmart battery upgrade today as soon as the mailman gets here with my third battery. Thanks for your video I'll probably watch it again to make sure I've got it. Since my bike is brand new is there anyway to remove the solder on the stock batteries in order to reuse them? I don't know the proper way to unsolder or desolder a battery.... I went with Mighty Max 12volt 15ah batteries but later found some others that were the same dimensions but a bit lighter in weight. So next time when it's time to replace these I'm going to look for these. Thanks again for another useful video !
I'd you don't know how to solder, don't make your first attempt these batteries!
bob what branch of the service did you serve
How to get rid of hiccups. Change your breathing pattern. Speed it up or slow it down your breathing & you'll get rid of your hiccups.
Love Bob at the end. Would he let you brush him outside of courses???
what is the max discharge rate the motor and controller can handle
Excellent video
bob thank you for doing your video's, please clarify why the 20amp continuous discharge rate of a lipo battery pack shouldn't it fine when the instantaneous rate is 30 amps
Because those motors are 30 amp draw motors, and will explode a 20 amp draw battery. My name isn't Bob.
@@BNeilBrown THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROMPT REPLY I JUST CAN'T RECONCILE THE RESPONSE THEBATERY BMS REGULATES THE BATERY DRAW TO PROVENT IT FROM BLOWING UP WORST CASE THE BMS WOULD SHUT DOWN THE BATTERY TO KEEP IT FROM EXPLODING
Hello
So what is the best battery to buy for this scooter?
And do I need to buy a wirering harness???
I already have a razor ecosmart scooter
Need new batteries
Where did you purchase those bigger tires?
If you could put the link up please, that would be great.
Thanks 😊
The line from Amazon are on one of the videos I did on the bike. That has been several years ago now, though.
Also another question my scooter squeeks in the frame now, its not the brakes its the whole frame, how can i fix
are 30 amps the desired discharge rate or just the max
Do you have to change ur amp fuse higher?
No
Awesome job lol even Bubba will be happy with you. That is a major upgrade that is very good hack. 🇨🇦🇨🇦👍👍
Yep.
Awesome, I'm Bubba approved!
Did you find that 12a really gave you any more distance?
I can't believe you made Bobs wait. Don't you know the cat rules??? You are practically rebuilding that scooter. Very cool! Can you jump hills with it? :) KIDDING, don't do that. LOL
You should see my motorcycle. I can't own something with two wheels without upgrading and working on it! Also, bobs gets cat hair all over my sofa, he can wait lol
I ride 9/10 of a mile to work and then leave my scooter unplugged and off for 9 hours. On my ride home the batteries are very low and I have a hard time making it all the way home. Will this upgrade help ?
It's possible that the bigger batteries will give you a bigger "gas tank" of power. It did for me.
The metal tubes that surround your batteries is hollow. You could drill a hole and run your wires through the tube....then they are out if the way and protected 😉
That would weaken the structure of the bike. Also, the wires are connected on both sides and I would have to cut them.
@@BNeilBrown
Your not understanding what I'm trying to say because A.) There's no way that the structure would be weakened by one small hole 10 inches apart. B.) You wouldn't have to cut any wires. It was only a suggestion and I was trying to help. Lol!!
A simple thank you would have been great even if you never ever planned to try my suggestion.
Have a great day 😊
Well, thank you for the suggestion!
@@BNeilBrown lol!!! Well, Your very welcome. 😉
One moment at a time, I am just curious about your reccomendation. How exactly would you "run your wires through the tubes" without cutting them? I am asking because I am also in the process of the 15ah mod to my ecosmart and I cannot possibly fathom how you would get the wires through the tubes without cutting them. They are soldered on each end to the throttle and speed controller.
Hey there buddy! Thanks for the video! Was looking for someone else that had upgraded the batteries to see if I had done something odd. I bought the Mighty Max 15ah batteries, which I think are about the same size as your 12ah batteries. However the batteries are only getting 5.5 miles, where the original 7ah batteries go 7 miles. Something seems odd.
With the new keyko batteries that you went with, did you notice a large increase in mileage? Or did you have to cycle them to get the full AH out of them?
Yes, I had an increase in milage.
@@BNeilBrown What is the mileage now with the 3 12AH batteries? Can a Battery Buddy be used to recharge?
Ty so much i upgraded my first set7ah to 9ah, and i actually also got more speed along with extra ride time, this summer i used the scooter alot so now im looking to replace batteries again, my first question is in referance to origanal 7ah batterys the harness is still attached since they are soldered, they have been sitting in a box for 3 months, i have a 6 in car battery charger air compressor, can i use that to recharge the stock batteries that are in storage, the little box connector is still attached with harness,,is there a way i can maintain those batteries so they dont go bad, and, second question could i use 6 7ah and get the same results as 3 9ah or higher, my scooter does well going up hills with 9ah
That is a lot to process, and I don't understand what you are asking well enough to answer, unfortunately.
i really enjoyed this series. inspired me to pick up my own scooter. its arrived but i have a funny sound at low speed, kind of a clicking noise at the lowest throttle. is this normal? any ideas? sounds like its coming form the motor or sprocket on the other side of the motor mount
Yeah if I remember I heard that also? Either I no longer hear it or it has gone away. I think with chain drive ebikes it's something like chain slap but the chain is tight. Keep an eye out, though!
Yeah if I remember I heard that also? Either I no longer hear it or it has gone away. I think with chain drive ebikes it's something like chain slap but the chain is tight. Keep an eye out, though!
@@BNeilBrown thanks for the response. i sent it back to razor just out of caution, motors are on backorder and will get a new one and see if its the same. keep on keeping on and making fun videos
hey man, I upgraded my batteries to three 12V 12 Amp batteries and after a week, they all swelled up so bad, they fused together. I read from a Google search, this is due to over charging. Did you experience this problem with your upgrade? Did you change anything but the batteries and if not, how do you charge your batteries so you don't over charge them? The history of the three batteries I used were from two electric kids ride on karts and all of the batteries are at least 3 years old. I also left the charger plugged in a couple nights over night because the red light never went to green. I thought the red light never turning green meant it simply took much longer to charge since it was almost twice as a large as of the factory 7amp batteries. Can you help? Thank you!
Why Keyko brand batteries? Are they better than Mighty Max batteries?
Because I have used and trust Keyko. One runs my solar in my camper.
What about Bob?
Love the layout of the place you live.....lots of room to roam. Who cuts that massive lawn where you have your building and teardrop?
I put in the same batteries 2 months ago. I only go 5 miles a day & the batteries are already going dead. Shoulden't they last longer then 2 monthe. Just had to ask you my friend
Mine has lasted just fine?
At this point it is December 1st there's like 13 hundred views in less than 500 likes get on the bandwagon people support this guy
What did you say you needed to add or extend in order to install the 12 amp hour batteries? Mine are being delivered today, and need to know what to buy when I'm in town
How did it work out for you Brandy ? Looking to upgrade as well.
Very nice tutorial on the battery upgrades. What was the cost of the new batteries Neil?
About $70
I have that exact bar extender on my bike. It works great! That's a marvelous upgrade!
Did you have to reverse it like I did?
No, the included spacers fit my handle bar, and I didn't replace the support bar, I used the one that came with it. I like it.
I’m looking forward to your videos from the rtr, I hope to make it out there next year. (Fellow Kentuckian)
Awesome video just wish I could see ya ride it
Keep looking, I ride it a bunch in my episodes
Sorry to bother you. I put my new batteries in & i go about 4 miles a day. Should i charge it every day or after a few days. AND Thank You for all the help you give us
I charge mine as often as possible. Always better to start with fresh batteries.
@@BNeilBrown Thank you kindly my friend
Your razor is not in your store does Amazon sell them?
Odd, it was in there. Let me re add it.
Well, I can't find it anywhere on Amazon now.
@@BNeilBrown that's weird maybe they stop selling them it's okay it's too expensive for me anyway they cost $400
I bought mine at kohls.com for $350 on sale (seems to go on sale every few weeks) and they give you $70 in kohls cash, which I used to lower the price of my wife's scooter to $280.
Great video!!!! can you ride it in the rain?
I wouldn't in heavy rain.
THEY HAVE A 15AH THAT IS THE SAME SIZE AS YOUR 12A, MORE THAN DOUBLE 7AH. FULL 36V IS 44V.
Hey there! I grabbed the 15ah batteries and put them into this same scooter. They seem to put out less energy than 7ah batteries! I got 7 miles on 7ah batteries, the 15ah batteries are only going 5.5 miles! Might have gotten defective batteries though!
If the voltage increase's why doesn't the amperage, doesn't seem logical to say that the wiring of them side by side of 3 - 12 volt battery's would give you 36 volt, but the 7 amps don't add up to 21 amps. Just asking, and why not use the might mite 12 volt 15 amp to actually double your run time.
I believe there exactly the same size and or a little bigger like the battery's you replacement of the old one's with but like you say the the higher the amps the further we go, the cost for the mighty mites is about 100.00 bucks. Hope to hear from you again in another video and that all goes well for you on your travels.
When you double or triple the voltage by wiring in series, the amps stay the same.
When you wire in parallel you up the amperage, but the volts stay the same.
I looked at all my options and chose the 12ah. That's why I didn't go with mighty mites. I trust Keyko batteries, plain and simple.
@@BNeilBrown Well from what I have come to understand the only increase happened when you went to 12 amp, regardless of how there wired, the voltage and the amperage remains the same, but by buying 12 amp verse's remaining with the 7 amp, you had a overall increase of 5 amps from the old.
I'll check on the brand you mentioned and see if they have the 15 amp at the same size, which is the other consideration, if they don't fit, it won't work. So far measurement wise the mighty max / mites are the one's to check in on the, at a 100 bucks will see what Keyko has thanks. good luck on your travels and God be with you my friend, P&L ( : > ).
I like my original. I weigh 200 pounds and it's all good.
I have no legs...
You save yourself a lot of money being so handy!!! Imagine if you paid someone for all the work you've done on your teardrop or bike.
Yep! I much prefer doing my own work, anyway.
Those glasses really look nice on you.
Far easier to buy (3) lith, 12v 12ah, for $35 each out of china, OR 36v 12ah battery $120
Nope. This back can't use the lith batteries. Lith ebike batteries do not have the discharge rate needed for this motor and controller. Lith batteries might go boom in this bike.
I got my 12v 12ah batteries for $69