Railroad Signaling Explained: Crossings
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- Опубликовано: 1 янв 2020
- This is the last of the FORBIDDEN FILES! This video covers how the various types of crossings are protected and the basics of how those systems work. It is the part of the signal system I am most often asked about and is most often misunderstood by the public.
Crossings are where the public is most likely to be involved in an accident involving the railroad and that is why so much emphasis is placed on their proper installation, maintenance, testing and operation.
I hope this video helps reinforce the importance of Crossing Warning Systems and helps ensure everyone who watches it never gambles at a crossing. It's just not worth it.
So, join me for a look at How Crossing Warning Systems Work.
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As a light rail operator, I wanna add, DO NOT STOP on the tracks if the lights come on as you're crossing the tracks. The gates are designed for you to clear the crossing before the train gets there. If you stop on the tracks when the lights come on, you could get trapped, or if you decide to move, you could damage the gates. If you can stop safely before the gates, then stop. If not keep going and clear the crossing safely, please. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER stop on the tracks for ANY reason!!!
Just go through the gates!! They won't hurt your car...like the train!!
At least in the country where i live the lights are positioned so that you cannot see them once you are on the crossing (although it does mean that when i am walking across a crossing on foot, the only indication to the crossing activating is the alarm going off, which did take me by surprise once (i was walking a dog at the time))
A lot of crossings where i live have barriers/gates on BOTH sides of the road, however, these crossings are manually controlled (either by someone at the crossing, or remotely utilising CCTV, and in some cases, it is actually the train crew that has to activate the crossing), although some newer crossings of this sort are fitted with an obstacle detection system
With these crossings (regardless of the type) the crossing is protected by signals, and in order for the signals to be cleared, the crossing must be lowered, and the crossing confirmed to be clear (no one stuck on the crossing), although i have heard that they might be considering making a type of crossing that is fully automatic, with barriers/gates on both sides, and uses obstacle detection (and some technology that is already in place on trains, which is currently used to automatically stop trains that pass a red signal) to automatically stop an approaching train if the crossing is not clear
Mark; as a retired Signal Maintainer I found your videos really informative.
Thank you. It was harder than I thought it would be to explain it all to non signal people and I'm sure you know what I mean.
I appreciate the comment and thanks for checking it out!
I’m a locomotive engineer for Norfolk southern and I go by gates all the time. It is awesome seeing how these things work. I really enjoyed this video.
Mark, I worked in IT on the Signalized Crossing project but never had the opportunity to go out to the field with anybody from Signal to actually see a crossing cabin and how it all worked. I'm retired now but RUclips posts like yours fascinate me. Thanks for doing these. Now, on to different rail types.
Much more tech involved than I ever imagined. I had always thought when a train hit a switch at some distance it just activated a simple motor that lowered and raised the gates. But now I realize the speed of the train would make the time change. That would not work. Very cool stuff.
this is more advanced all computer controlled, old ones were basically a switch. Detects a train then operates the gates.
Even the older "directional stick" crossings used timer relays and varying approach circuit lengths based on maximum track speeds to operate the warning systems. Smart guys have been around for a long time!
Thanks for checking it out!
I met a railroad cop who told me that he caught THE SAME GUY 8 different times going around the lowered gates. He finally did it one last time and got taken out by the approaching train.
Natural selection at work!
I wonder what that cop's reaction was. He was probably happy.
@@youraveragejoe2 No. He really wished the guy would have listened to him.
The 9th time was the killer. His nine lives were up.
@@NiceMuslimLady welp that guy learned the hard way and is now taking a dirt nap.
Love the nice wiring job, laced up and neatly routed.
Simple rule of thumb: "The train ALWAYS wins!"
Another rule of thumb: "see tracks, think train".
Yes
The Right of Weight - Big One Goes First
Not always. Sometimes both the train / train crew and the vehicle / drivers are losers. .
Not against another train or a tornado.
Hi Mark - I have found this and your other presentations very interesting - I retired from working on the railroads (railways) in the UK nearly four years ago after working for 45 years - I worked on the Signalling from a trainee right through various technical grades (working on all signalling equipment including everything from track circuits to signals to points to level crossings both mechanical and electrical - then on to electronic solid state interlockings, CCTV, train describers, Hot Axle Box detectors and eventually to Technical Support - I loved my job and the differences between the UK stuff and the US stuff is fascinating - I have visited the USA several times and seen your crossings in action and was always curious as to how they operated - thanks to your videos I now know - great work Mark!
That is so cool! I truly appreciate the signalmen from other countries who enjoy my stuff. I have them from Australia, Brazil, Denmark, Russia and now the UK!
If you ever make it out to California look me up. I'll show you the cool places!
Thanks for checking out my channel!
@@MarkClayMcGowan Hi Mark - saw in you new car video that you mentioned being on Facebook - are you still on as I would like to send you a friend request if you don't mind!
Always great videos that you put out, We have to get caught up on them since our schedule has been very hectic lately, We are so glad that you had a good recovery through them very hard times earlier this year.
Great information Mark! I’m looking at becoming a signal maintainer when I get out of the military.
It's a very cool job. I hope the era of Precision Railroading has calmed down by that time. The way construction is going to funded on UP in the future will have a detrimental effect on signal jobs. Thanks for checking it out and good luck!
How did it go
I like your message about NOT driving around lowered gates. A contemporary of mine hit a fire engine that drove around lowered gates and five of the 6 firemen were killed. The only survivor was the driver who was the only one wearing a seatbelt.
Really like those old shelf relays. Those things are very cool and built to last forever. Also fun to watch them operate. Thanks for sharing all the new and old technology!
You might appreciate this. Several years back I volunteered at a railroad museum of sorts. Some bits of the 1.5 mile ROW had signals, and a couple of controlled crossings. The entire signal system was composed of very similar (but, if memory serves, notably older looking) relays as the directional stick style crossing encased in wood cases. Both of the crossings were (of course) directional stick and the gates were absolutely nothing like the ones you showed. The entire system was designed and built by a guy (who has since passed away) to be as era appropriate (early to mid 1900s) as possible. He was unquestionably a genius and a completely eccentric individual. Quite literally until the week of his death he was maintaining the signals. He did signal work (on contract, I believe) for many railroads and it wouldn't shock me if his (figurative, or literal) fingerprints still grace some signal systems to this day. I know for a fact some of the people he had taught concepts at that museum are still working in the industry today and have jobs because of the experienced gained with him.
Awesome information, thanks for taking time out of your day to show us this.
My pleasure! I'm glad you enjoyed it and found it informative. I try to keep these signal pieces as simple as possible, which was harder than I envisioned it!
Thanks for checking it out!
Super interesting; one of those mysteries in life you NEED to know about, and as an electrical/mechanical guy, very satisfying to understand the 'mystery' boxes and buildings: thank you!
Also I calculated that to get 20 seconds at 90 mph would be 1/2 a mile lead.
Glad I could answer some questions! Thanks for checking it out!
Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge in this very informative and well presented video. You have answered every question I ever had, and more.
I especially appreciate your heartfelt safety message.
Regards, etc, from Australia.
Thank you so much for this video! I just discovered it and have subscribed. Very informative. I've found signalling one of the most interesting aspects of railroad operation since I was a kid in the 50's.
When I submitted my application when I was 19, I didn't even know what a signalman was! Some would say I still didn't when I was 60!
It was a fascinating career!
Always wondered how they work. Thank you for sharing an interesting behind the scenes look.
My pleasure!
I have been wanting to see inside these boxes for decades but never found a good video or anyone willing to show me. Thank you! I love technology and knowing how it works, appreciate you taking the time to do this.
My pleasure!
Mark, thank you very much. Even at 80 years I can learn something new. Great video.
I'm glad you enjoyed and that you haven't stopped wanting to learn. I hope you my other "how things work" videos just as good for your brain!
Great video! I always wondered how crossings work. Great information on how they do. Thank you for what you do! Stay safe!
I’m so glad I found your channel. I’m a retired UP Engineer out of New Orleans. I have tried to explain, on several rail fan channels, why the crossing gates go up and down when they can’t always see a train. You have said the same things I have been telling them plus a lot more. I am going to post info for this video on their channels. Thanks.
I always Stop, Look and Listen before crossing a RR crossing. Thanks for the info on RR crossing gates.
Although crossing failure is rare, it only takes one time and bad timing to get yourself killed. It takes but a few seconds more to take extra precautions. I have personally witnessed several crossing malfunctions in my area over the years. A few have been where the crossing didn't alert drivers to an approaching train. I saw the train come rolling through at maybe 45mph with no warning other than their horn. As long as you're paying attention at crossings, should be fine.
@@NotSoCrazyNinja ayyy mark
I got a call once gates not going down on an adjoining territory. Xr was turned upside down maintainer forgot to go back after track work. It was a rural xing hardly any traffic. I was able to cover it up for him. Now there are rules and procedures to prevent mistakes like that. Have also found forgoten jumpers in the old days. New jumper procedures eliminate that.
Look, Listen and Live! Four very important words when at a crossing. Keep up the good work!
As someone that used to install, test , and download cab mounted crossing cameras in locomotives, I know how really important this equipment is (and what happens when people don't heed the signals and/or run the gates when they think it's broken because they can't see the train from the road). Love the video and appreciate your work!
Wow! What a great video. Every time I cross a powered signal I've wondered about its reliability and how it is triggered by the train. Having seen signals stop when a train stops close to the crossing, I knew there was a bit more than just a button by the tracks. But this is more elaborate than I'd imagined. I am one of those who still look and listen at every crossing. I just found your channel yesterday and also had to also watch the two tunnel episodes. I commend you on your appreciation of railroad history and sharing your knowledge with the rest of us. Watching your videos is going to be great fun! Thanks!!!
Thank you very much! I hope you enjoy what I've done and stay tuned for more! Much more to come!
Nicely done Mark! I never knew there was this much tech behind operating the gates..
Thanks Mark. Very informative!! Living near a crossing this helped answer questions I’ve wondered about. Looking forward to your other videos. Thanks!
My pleasure. I hope you find the time to check out more of my "how things work" videos.
Thanks for checking it out!
Hi Mark, I found your video very factual and straightforward. I worked in the Traffic Signal Industry for 27 years and there is a lot of similarity, to some degree, between the different cabinet functions. Stay safe!
I worked many times with highway traffic techs where our systems were linked for pre-emption. The operation is very similar.
Thanks for checking it out!
Thank you for the tour. You've saved me from getting into a lot of trouble!
That was really informative, and I look forward to more. Well done!
I have a series on how things work. Check out my playlists!
MCM, great video! I've been rail fanning for years. I learned a lot watching this video. Well put together and very informative. i hope you're feeling better. luv2fly.
Great video. I really enjoyed it! It's mind boggling the amount of money a railroad must have tied up just in crossing infrastructure. It's surprising that they can make money at all with the amount of equipment/expenses needed to keep everything running. Thanks!
Yes. The equipment is very expensive. Just the modern signal system is about $700,000 a mile to install. Crossings aren't 100% paid for by railroads. Local or state governments pay to install them and have funding to help pay for upgrades but the RR is 100% responsible for maintenance and repair.
Mark, this was my 1st Vlog of yours that I watched. I like you style of explaining, and the subject matter. You caught my interest, so I Subscribed, and now I've watched a good dozen or more of your Vlogs. I check the Thumbs-up when I've completed watching a Vlog. "Thumbs-up"
welcome to the channel! i appreciate the likes. it really helps the channel grow. stay tuned, much more to come!
Thank You Mark for a very informative video. Also, thank you for saying what needed to be said at the end in relation to going around downed gates and trains parked on tracks at grade crossings. I cannot count the number of fatality crashes I have worked in my career where someone went around the gates or entered a grade crossing where a train was parked and another train came through and hit them, killing everyone in the vehicle. Again, Thank you.
I have had 2 interviews to go to work for NS as a signal maintainer trainee. This explains why they grilled me so hard on my electronic experience. I also watched your video on the interior of the switch houses.. Call me crazy, I see this as a challenge to\ be met and conquered.. Thank you for the videos and keep them coming sir.
Really good explanation, thanks!
Very interesting and informative; thank you for sharing!
My pleasure!
FINALLY I get my answer. Thank you for the explanation. I have asked numerous times on YT and people with no answer
I'm finding out that my "how things work" stuff is pretty unique! I'm glad it's helping folks understand what it takes to keep them safe.
What a beautiful view of the mountains with snow.What a great job.
Excellent. Thank you for posting!
It's easy to forget how much computing and logic processing needs to be made to have crossings work properly and safely. Great video!
Thank you!
In depth video. Always learn something in your videos. Thanks
Thanks! I appreciate the compliment!
Very informative video. Thank you!
Awesome!! Thanks for Posting!!
WHEN IN DOUBT , STOP , LOOK AND LISTEN . Great video Mark .
Interesting, thanks for the tour :-) Now I know something new!
Great video I have always wondered how railroad crossings work you explained very well
Thank you!
Very interesting, thanks for sharing this, very important.
Realy very interesting! Thank you!
My pleasure! Thanks for checking it out!
I like how the gates work, the switches on the cams look like the score motor cams on an electromechanical pinball machine. Also the brake system reminds me of how the motors on a Rock Ola jukebox work to keep the gripper motor from coasting while it lays a record on the turntable!! Neat stuff and thanks for showing, I always wondered how they worked!!
I just learned something about pinball and juke box operation!
I find this oddly fascinating and informative. Appreciate
Very informative - thank you!
Being interested in how things work all my life, I always wondered what was in those boxes by the line, way cool!!!!.......Thanks!!!
I’ve been a train nut my whole life. I’ve always been curious how crossing signals and gates worked. Fascinating and much more involved than I ever imagined.
Thank you! I'm just glad it made sense! Thanks for checking it out!
Hi there Mark! Just wanted to say THANKYOU, for the video tour and demo of the different crossing mechs. As a retired Motorman/ Train Operator from the New York subways, I have always been interested in the "inner workings" of track circuits and signals. That was a facet of my job that never really came into play from the front of a train obviously. Before the subways, I was in the Electrical Union, so that should explain my interest in the operation and field wiring? I especially wish to say thankyou to you for the safety info and advice you gave ALL viewers to be mindful of the purpose and proper use of the grade crossing equipment! It really is there to protect the public. TRAINS SHALL ALWAYS WIN, when it comes to grade crossings! Motor vehicles have the ability to stop much faster than freight or commuter trains. THAT IS WHY trains have the right of way in passage and motor vehicles MUST stop! Jpb well done there Mark! Keep up the good work and stay safe out there!!
Thank you very much! I hope you subscribe and check out the rest of my "railroad signaling explained" series. I have quite a few videos of the railroad around here too.
How cool that you worked the subways!
Thanks for checking out my channel!
Hi again Mark! Sorry for the very late reply. I just subscribed for you and it is my pleasure! Great info offered by you and I certainly appreciate it! I know every job these days has its good and bad times? I realize you can relate to that as well! I'm sure the stories we can tell each other about our days on the road would curl our hair, or at least what's left of mine? Lol. keep up the good work and best regards always to you and the family! Stay safe out there!
The old signage back when I was a kid always said "Stop, Look and Listen". Best advice ever! 🚂🚃🚃🚃
Very cool. Good advice at the end. "stop, look, live"
Always preach public safety!
Outstanding video thanks those flat cars make the coolest noise as they go by !!!
super informative video on crossings
thanks
Great info. Thank you
Mark is getting to be famous🎈keep on keeping on.feel better soon.
Awesome video Mark
Fun and interesting information to be sure. I am a CAD operator for a signal design company in Florida. We do work mainly for CSX, CN and NS railroads. It's not often we get to see actually working circuitry in the field. Most of what we see is in our rack room for testing purposes only.
I am happy to have brought some of it to life for you! Thanks for checking it out!
You are a wealth of knowledge
Hey Mark! You have a zero of "dislikes", my congrats! And here another "like" from Belarus;)
Awesome! It's so cool to see people from other parts of the world checking out my channel. I'm so glad you enjoy it. Stay tuned! I have much more on the way!
Hey Mark, I work in the highway industry where we have similar computers on the side of the road to control automatic messaging signs, cameras, sensor, etc... I never knew how complex the systems controlling crossing gates were. Much more complex than the systems we use to control highway traffic!
I have a couple of videos about how the signal system works too. The differences are pretty big!
Great info - thanks!
I was hit(my person) by a crossing arm a little over a year ago while trying to cross to the other side of the street to get to the overpass bridge. I guess I took a little bit of an accidental step to the left while crossing and ended up getting hit in the face by the thing I was avoiding. Since then I have had periods of fascination with the mechanisms of the arms. Thank you for helping me to understand and feed this interest!
That is a heck of a way to become interested in something, but thanks for checking it out!
Great video. 30 years Signal Testman Norfolk Southern Railway.
Thank you! Always good to hear from a fellow signal guy!
Very cool 😎 I'm new to signal maintaining and this was informative
Glad to be of assistance!
Very informative. Some parts were, for me, a bit technical, but loved it!
Thanks. I tried to keep it simple but with some stuff it's hard to do.
Thanks for checking it out!
I enjoyed your video !
Now I’m going to be giving a nod ‘n wink to those silver boxes every time I cross a set of tracks! A lot more complex than I (never, actually) thought they would be!
It's so hard to try and tell someone so I figured a video would be a good way to make it easier! Looks like I was right!
Mark i always had a strong fascination with the rail system and the signals and the huge diesel locomotives I have a vast collection of bachman and tyco and vintage lionel trains its awesome to see the real ones its interesting to see how the crossing signals work i really enjoyed your video 👌💥💥
Thank you!
The man know his stuff and good fella 👍
I work on traffic signals here in Las Vegas. Definitely easy to understand for me. I remember as kids, we would drop a metal bar across the tracks and set off the signals.
And the metal bar also causes signals to go to red! We used to grease the rails around Tehachapi! Kids!
Thank you Mark. I've been a Signal Engineer for over 30 years and your explanation is on point. In fact, I'm going to bookmark this video so I can reference it to various agencies who sponsor the installation of GCWD and know nothing about the system. One question for you, not sure what railroad you're on but, I noticed you had E-logic in the same bungalow as the crossing equipment. Is this a normal practice for that railroad? Nothing like the older analog equipment. I miss the PMD-2/3 era so much! Very good video!
Thanks Mark very helpful
Fun fact, many crossings in the UK are still triggered by the signaller activating them manually by remote. This is usually due to the higher speeds they may be passed at by trains from what i can tell. That, or complicated junctions in the area, such as the crossing just outside Exeter St. Davids station.
Great information.
Very informative. Always wondered how how systems operated. I worked on elevator controls for 36 years and they work the same as your old vintage relay systems and the new microprocessor controls. They called me Dr. D. When they couldn't fix it they called me in. I became an inspector and loved training and teaching the new technician the tricks of the trade in the name of safety.
I guess your job had it’s ups and downs.
@@tomrogers9467 that's comedy!
I've always been fascinated by elevators. What cool career!
Thanks for checking it out!
Excellent video
Hello Mark! You have a really interesting channel. Really Enjoying learning more. How is Main 1, Main 2, Main 3, determined ? Thanks! 👍
Hi! It actually depends on where you are. It can be one way on one sub and reversed on the next. SP didn't do that. Westbound tracks were always #1, eastbound #2. On triple track they were numbered right to left or were designated by name.
UP hated SP so much they turned most places around. I thought it was unsafe but they did not care what I thought!
Great explanation
Hey, Mark, how are you doing today? I love this video. I have always loved railroads since I was a kid. Recently, I was walking and I saw some old gates just sitting there behind the fence. Sometime after, I saw some railroad maintenance people and I talked to them about it and was thinking about collecting them. They said that when I was ready, I could collect them. They were taking out of service and replaced with new ones in like 2017-ish. I doubt they will work now but I think they are a great vintage piece of history. I don't remember when those old gates were installed
As long as they're not rusted out, you can probably get them to work again. I hope you are able to at least salvage them.
I have always wondered how this works.
wow Mark this is amazing thank you very much :-)
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it and I hope you found it informative. Thanks for checking out my channel!
This was really interesting! I lived near a fairly busy line growing up and never knew how the signals work. I assumed it was something like continuity between the two rails but knew it couldn’t be exactly that because it would not work with continuous welded rail.
If only you had gone into a little more detail on the operations of the extremely complex warning system you demonstrate at 23:20!
I didn't want to give away any industry secrets!
Thanks for checking it out!
About 30 years ago, a signal technician showed me his setup at a crossing on the (then) Soo Line in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. What I never expected to see were relays sealed in glass containers that looked like squat and oversized vacuum tubes. They were round and maybe 9W X 5H. The technician said that system dated from the forties and was still operating as advertised. Remembering that, I did not expect to see such modern controllers. Because I am into ham radio, that 4000 unit looked to be more akin to a rack-mounted late model Motorola radio repeater. Between the complicated controllers, the cabinets sheltering the electronics and mechanicals and the buried cabling and rail connections, there is so much to know.
The controllers probably have a lot in common with radio equipment. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I learnt something new today.
That first scene, that would be a beautiful spot to catch trains especially with the mountains in the backdrop like that
That's just outside Mojave on the Lone Pine Branch. Very photogenic line!
I have a two part video of the still working part of it.
Thank you.
I love your videos! Especially since I was born and raised in the area. I have ton of questions for you...how are insulated tracks insulated? And in one segment you mentioned that you were near Earlimart. My nephew found an old railroad spike near th here. Is th here anyway of finding out how old it is?. Thanks
Track circuits are divided by insulated joints. Joints covered in or made of non conductive material. I have videos on how that works in the "How the signal system works" and "how things work on the RR" playlists!
Spikes from that area would be no more than 20 or so years old. Some older ones are buried but there is no way of dating them of which I am aware.
You can also ask more questions by emailing me at motopoet59@gmail.com.
Thanks for checking it out!
Thanks
I attended a fatal pedestrian/train collision 2 weeks ago. The lady was standing beside Track 1 watching a passing train on Track 2. Train 2 was blasting their horn and she did not acknowledge it. I found it more difficult dealing with the traumatized Conductor & Engineer, than dealing with the dead woman. It was the first person either employee had ever struck with their train. It was a very sad incident. PLEASE DON'T TRESPASS ON R/R PROPERTY!
In my little town (not so little anymore though), a few pedestrians have been hit and killed by trains. Plus, several crossing hits with some fatalities. It has been so bad over the years that the railroad put in extra and modern equipment and cameras to try to prevent further issues.
@@NotSoCrazyNinja You can't fix stupid. But the train can 😜
This is a common problem in Chicago on the commuter rail. It doesn’t occur to people the second train might be approaching.
Metra has a rule that if your train is blocking a street in the station, and another train is arriving on another track, you do not clear the street until the other train has arrived
Muy interesante. Gracias
Very interesting. Thank you.
Great info.
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and got something from the information.
Thanks for checking out my channel!
Mark.... Just came across your vids. LIke the one on the tunnel system heading for Cable and the Depot. And the detail on the Loop. One big question I am sure MANY folks have is, Do you have any inside info on wether or not the Big Boy will make a run this year? I missed it in 2019 when it came through Oklahoma. Sure hope it gets to run this your
Mark great video you made here. I wouldn't mind having you as my adjoining maintainer seem like a great guy to work with. I'm a signal maintainer for UPRR aswell got 56 xings in my territory.I saw a MP300 on one of you're cases I'm about 400 miles East of you on the Calexico sub. Have a safe day brother.
Thanks! I appreciate the compliments, and I would have been a great adjoining and a great Mntce. Foreman. I retired in Sept. 2019, shortly after I made this video, which I didn't publish until after I retired.
@@MarkClayMcGowan that's great. I got 17 years left to retire.
Hang in there! The pension is worth it!