It makes me wish we had the equivalent speeches for Warhammer III. So much good content has been dropped from Total War games and it all needs to be brought back.
OMG This is my save flie! Thank you Legend so much for uploading this video. I started this campaign day before I sent it to you, after almost 4 years not playing Medieval II ( I decidted to play again due to recent events in community). I became a little rusty. I played on VH/VH and was going quite well, but I know that I should firstly attack Turks, then focus on Venice, and on turn maybe 30/40 should be near Zagreb/Venice, but as I said, I feel still rusty, Concerning Saloniki name, it seems that due to my localization (polish), city names are applied according to locale files. I purpesufully find the English name (Thessalonica) to give you a context, but I didn't predicted, that in other versisons still be displayed as Saloniki (in Polish, what is funny, it sounds like "Little saloons") Lastly, I am glad, you didn't notice 4 merchants near Kaffa region 🤣 Again, thank you very much! You rock mate!
He always executes, admitted long time ago it's his favourite method. Stacking dread is also great for generals. Chivalry gives morale to your units, while dread scares enemy. That's why Mongols can be such a menace with full dread generals.
There's basically no good reason to do anything else unless you really need the ransom money or you're roleplaying and release them. You get chivalry, but that kinda sucks cause you have to keep generals in settlements to really benefit, the morale bonus on harder difficulties barely does anything.
@@ihaveachihuahau I often end with some high chivalry generals, but that's when I like to play a crusader and flex my catholic faith on infidels. Pope likes you, generals get some nice items or retinue, crusader armies are cheap to hire and no maintenance as long as crusade is on. You can also hire some Templars or Hospitallers from special buildings, which is always nice. If I play a faction super far away from Jerusalem or as non-catholic, then I just go full dread from the beginning.
I came back to medieval 2 after playing rome 2 for months and it felt like a complete breath of fresh air... almost like getting uncut pure cocaine, the gameplay felt so pure and perfect
Oh god, Medieval 2 is such a great game. Just the fact that you are trying to break their morale instead of wiping 99.99% of their army in order to win feels so much better. Plus the little details, with the quotes when you hover over the buttons. Where has this love for detail gone with CA nowadays?
Having never played this, I can see the effects of the exhaustion mechanic much more than in TW:W 2&3. In those games it's like, "Why are my guys moving so slow, force march? Oh they're exhausted. Eh, whatever they'll do less damage and take more." In this one it looks like when they're exhausted you give an order and it takes a bit for them to respond and move as a group. I kinda like it.
It might look that way, but that can happen even without exhaustion. Unit cohesion is my biggest issue with Medieval 2. Sometimes you tell a unit to charge and only the front line does while the rest of the unit just stands still. It could be related to exhaustion in some way as well, but even fresh units can be unresponsive
@@scarletcroc3821The thing is it's still trash in Warhammer. It's definitely a very layered issue; if they had the time they could maybe tackle it with a new engine but that's probably not gonna happen. 😅
00:30 I don't think the guy has changed the name, it's rather the fact that the save file is from someone playing on Polish version of the game and your game didn't manage to translate the names of the settlements, hence we see "Bukareszt" in the upper corner of the screen, not "Bucarest"
I used to play the Czech version when I was a kid and I also remember some major cities having historic Czech names like Cařihrad (Constantinople) or Benátky (Venice). I think it’s a nice touch and it adds to the immersion.
Yeah MedII AI isn't the best, as they let you shoot them and snipe their generals and are often rather passive and most of all indecisive. But then again they used to do things like retreat from the battlefield if it all went south at the start or seize the opportunity and run out the gate to get to a defenceless unit and all this stuff. Sure those things are often not well executed and rather exploitable and overall it is a worse AI then the new tw games but I find it often an interesting AI. You are often able just shoot them to shit if they are on the defence or shoot them in the back with horse archers as they know they can't catch up. But it still surprises sometimes and well these things are almost still as bad as in the new games. I mean they don't even ever walk out of their towns in WHII and get shot until the last man despite the town overing no advantage what so ever. (Rome I at least had infinite morale as long as they stayed in the town square, and holding the walls had big advantages.) Also them making the newer games all about stats having to defeat the strength of the army rather than morale and then making all super aggressive on tiny maps means it turns into a giant slugfest where the AI's potential to micro really shines and it seems more competent. So yeah I would say it is definitely better now a day, but Rome I and MedII had some good things and ideas in regards to their battle AI. Which their successors of 2 decades later don't have and the fact that it can even be debated/believed (loosely) says a lot.
@Mahfireballs I think it peaked in Shogun 2 due to the simplicity of that game. The AI was able to handle the rock-paper-scissors of melee, ranged and cavalry.
@@paulyotzuar2788 I can't deny this, it seems the Med2's AI can't manage free upkeep unit/garison in city, resulted in their bad finance situation. AI keep running around with militia units while their city is left with only one or two units...
This is awesome! I re-installed Medieval 2 myself as well. Its been so long since I played a campaign its hard to get reacquainted with the game after years of playing Warhammer.
The warhammer mod for Medieval 2 is actually very good too. Just don't expect it to be like Total war warhammer, it's completely separate and it's own thing.
I've never seen the Pope of Rome leave Italy in this game before. I guess this is why he plays it safe, you never know when Legend is commanding the other army.
One of the things that made Byantium uniquely hard for me to play was that almost every faction in Italy seems to ally and launch amphibious invasions of me at the same time. And they'll do it almost anywhere, including into Anatolia. Considering how when I first bought MTW2, the AI couldn't launch naval invasions at all, that caught me off guard. Having to fight off Hungary, Italy, and Turks at the same time in the early game when your roster and economy isn't ready for it definitely made them one of the harder factions for me. (if MTW2 is patched that is)
Thats pretty historically accurate too lol. They were betrayed by their fellow christians constantly. Also being the Nights Watch of Europe, constantly invaded by radical Islamists who only paused their onslaught to delete entire cultures and languages in the middle east.
'It's a nice sunny day here' - It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Sorry, I could not resist. Great to see legend playing Byzantium. Seeing legend work horse archers is always a blast.
Maybe he does not change the actual naming of the settlement, but the save just contains the names from his language version (it looks like Polish)? There were also "Bukareszt", "Korynt", "Konstantynopol" and "Trabzon" in the video
Anyone else yearning to see Legend play as the Papacy in a role play campaign again? Or role play as the Turkish Sultan - yeah Legend with horse archers would be fun.
First time I hear it but the custom voice over for Ransom, Liberate and Execute is fantastic. It actually make it feel like a real important décision. You know, the kind that change peoples life
Oh this brings me back... Byzantines were the first faction I took all the way to the end in that game. Definitely don't recall the Pope invading though, so I wonder how he managed that.
I did a Sicily campaign and resolved to be The Church's best friend. Only, the Pope was Venetian, all the Cardinals were from Venice and they hated my guts!
I'm glad more people are sending their historical games. Generic outnumbered Warhammer 3 or Generic doomstack same 19 units Warhammer 3 was getting pretty tiresome
Tbh this reminds me a lot of playing Rohan effectively in DaC mod! Horse archer Mordor/Isengard to bits with a few infantry to give them a fake target! Or even better a full Rohirric army ;)
In my very first game of M2TW when I was smol (I think the first patch at best), the Papal States became the second remaining power in Europe with which I was allied, and they and I were busy fighting off the timurids which I trapped in Poland with my citadel and a full stack of units.
I love TW games like nothing else and these older titles hold a special place in my heart but… man, the AI though. Sometimes winning is just a game of manipulating the poor programming to your advantage. And there is no one more skillful at that than Legend!
Legend chuckling at the execution is peak Total War
69 likes couldn't 👍
It was his inner Skaven coming out.
It makes me wish we had the equivalent speeches for Warhammer III. So much good content has been dropped from Total War games and it all needs to be brought back.
The Pope never expected the reverse Inquisition!
Monty Python for the WIN
omg this actually made me snort-lol :D
Neither did the Medieval 2 battle event announcer.
OMG This is my save flie! Thank you Legend so much for uploading this video. I started this campaign day before I sent it to you, after almost 4 years not playing Medieval II ( I decidted to play again due to recent events in community). I became a little rusty.
I played on VH/VH and was going quite well, but I know that I should firstly attack Turks, then focus on Venice, and on turn maybe 30/40 should be near Zagreb/Venice, but as I said, I feel still rusty,
Concerning Saloniki name, it seems that due to my localization (polish), city names are applied according to locale files. I purpesufully find the English name (Thessalonica) to give you a context, but I didn't predicted, that in other versisons still be displayed as Saloniki (in Polish, what is funny, it sounds like "Little saloons")
Lastly, I am glad, you didn't notice 4 merchants near Kaffa region 🤣
Again, thank you very much! You rock mate!
How did France get to Dures already? Was there a crusade?
@@decktimothy I sold it just for fan, and maybe it could cause some funny wars😂
Saloniki is the greek abrevviation of Thessalonica (Thessaloniki)
Merchant spamming! You chad :D
@@mikhtar1302 for a fan, i guess you'll be prepared for summer now! Thx France! :)
Who else knew exactly what he was gonna do with those prisoners? 😅
with that rattv laugh ^^
He always executes, admitted long time ago it's his favourite method.
Stacking dread is also great for generals. Chivalry gives morale to your units, while dread scares enemy. That's why Mongols can be such a menace with full dread generals.
There's basically no good reason to do anything else unless you really need the ransom money or you're roleplaying and release them. You get chivalry, but that kinda sucks cause you have to keep generals in settlements to really benefit, the morale bonus on harder difficulties barely does anything.
@@ihaveachihuahau I often end with some high chivalry generals, but that's when I like to play a crusader and flex my catholic faith on infidels. Pope likes you, generals get some nice items or retinue, crusader armies are cheap to hire and no maintenance as long as crusade is on. You can also hire some Templars or Hospitallers from special buildings, which is always nice.
If I play a faction super far away from Jerusalem or as non-catholic, then I just go full dread from the beginning.
it's so strange - look at a game 15`s years old and feel it like a breath of fresh air.
I came back to medieval 2 after playing rome 2 for months and it felt like a complete breath of fresh air... almost like getting uncut pure cocaine, the gameplay felt so pure and perfect
@@ignacio1171med 2 over any modern historical total war any day of the week for me
Advisor: Only a military genius could win this
Legend: That's why I'm here
the Legend of Total War, to bring Roman order to the stinking Pope!
Well the advisor WAS correct, only with the intervention of a military genius (legend) was victory possible. Lol
12:49 "Feck off advisor, we're doing well" is the original Legend quote from back in the day, but with a higher pitch voice
Oh god, Medieval 2 is such a great game. Just the fact that you are trying to break their morale instead of wiping 99.99% of their army in order to win feels so much better. Plus the little details, with the quotes when you hover over the buttons. Where has this love for detail gone with CA nowadays?
So happy to see Legend smashing these RTW and MTW campaigns, it's actually made me go back to play these classics and I'm having a total blast.
Having never played this, I can see the effects of the exhaustion mechanic much more than in TW:W 2&3. In those games it's like, "Why are my guys moving so slow, force march? Oh they're exhausted. Eh, whatever they'll do less damage and take more." In this one it looks like when they're exhausted you give an order and it takes a bit for them to respond and move as a group. I kinda like it.
It might look that way, but that can happen even without exhaustion. Unit cohesion is my biggest issue with Medieval 2. Sometimes you tell a unit to charge and only the front line does while the rest of the unit just stands still. It could be related to exhaustion in some way as well, but even fresh units can be unresponsive
@@scarletcroc3821The thing is it's still trash in Warhammer. It's definitely a very layered issue; if they had the time they could maybe tackle it with a new engine but that's probably not gonna happen. 😅
Gotta love the temporal comeback to the good games
Not really a warhammer fan, but I love legend's aggro style so these historical vids are a blessing.
That "Shut up advisor, we're doing well" was such an OG comment from one of his first Med 2 videos. Love it.
Love that video
00:30 I don't think the guy has changed the name, it's rather the fact that the save file is from someone playing on Polish version of the game and your game didn't manage to translate the names of the settlements, hence we see "Bukareszt" in the upper corner of the screen, not "Bucarest"
I used to play the Czech version when I was a kid and I also remember some major cities having historic Czech names like Cařihrad (Constantinople) or Benátky (Venice). I think it’s a nice touch and it adds to the immersion.
Polish, the ski language, lmao.
You can change settlement names in Medieval 2, so it's not unlikely that it was changed.
11:15 unit wasn't unresponsive, one single mailed knight charged into your general and made them stop.
I love how you compare Medieval 2 AI to later Total War games. It helps highlight the regression.
The AI in this is braindead. They don't do anything and let horse archers shoot them in the back
@@paulyotzuar2788 The AI is braindead in all Total War games. Medieval 2 was just one of the least braindead.
Yeah MedII AI isn't the best, as they let you shoot them and snipe their generals and are often rather passive and most of all indecisive. But then again they used to do things like retreat from the battlefield if it all went south at the start or seize the opportunity and run out the gate to get to a defenceless unit and all this stuff.
Sure those things are often not well executed and rather exploitable and overall it is a worse AI then the new tw games but I find it often an interesting AI. You are often able just shoot them to shit if they are on the defence or shoot them in the back with horse archers as they know they can't catch up. But it still surprises sometimes and well these things are almost still as bad as in the new games. I mean they don't even ever walk out of their towns in WHII and get shot until the last man despite the town overing no advantage what so ever. (Rome I at least had infinite morale as long as they stayed in the town square, and holding the walls had big advantages.)
Also them making the newer games all about stats having to defeat the strength of the army rather than morale and then making all super aggressive on tiny maps means it turns into a giant slugfest where the AI's potential to micro really shines and it seems more competent.
So yeah I would say it is definitely better now a day, but Rome I and MedII had some good things and ideas in regards to their battle AI. Which their successors of 2 decades later don't have and the fact that it can even be debated/believed (loosely) says a lot.
@Mahfireballs I think it peaked in Shogun 2 due to the simplicity of that game. The AI was able to handle the rock-paper-scissors of melee, ranged and cavalry.
@@paulyotzuar2788 I can't deny this, it seems the Med2's AI can't manage free upkeep unit/garison in city, resulted in their bad finance situation. AI keep running around with militia units while their city is left with only one or two units...
I love your medieval 2 videos, it's the reason I come back to this channel!
medival is a piece of art, for the time it came out very impressiv thát it is still playable today if you compare it to other really old games
This is awesome! I re-installed Medieval 2 myself as well. Its been so long since I played a campaign its hard to get reacquainted with the game after years of playing Warhammer.
The warhammer mod for Medieval 2 is actually very good too. Just don't expect it to be like Total war warhammer, it's completely separate and it's own thing.
Use WASD controls and it becomes significantly easier.
legend's rivalry with the battle advisor not believing in him is going strong throughout the years i see
I've never seen the Pope of Rome leave Italy in this game before. I guess this is why he plays it safe, you never know when Legend is commanding the other army.
That roll down with the cavalry was like the ending to the Battle of the Bastards! So cool to have seen that!
Keep 'em coming Legend! Love the older TW content :D
Liked this very much, please keep making more historical / medieval 2 content! Thank you!
That was an epic piece of work, expertly conceived. I always learn a lot from Legends videos, thanks Mr Oz :-)
Great to see you doing Saving disasters again for Medieval 2 and Rome, its been too long
Loving these historical disaster battles! Keep em coming Legend and subs!
Has Legend gotten more cheerful since the last time he was into historical games? He sounds jolly now lol
Okay time to boot up Medieval 2 again
One of the things that made Byantium uniquely hard for me to play was that almost every faction in Italy seems to ally and launch amphibious invasions of me at the same time. And they'll do it almost anywhere, including into Anatolia.
Considering how when I first bought MTW2, the AI couldn't launch naval invasions at all, that caught me off guard. Having to fight off Hungary, Italy, and Turks at the same time in the early game when your roster and economy isn't ready for it definitely made them one of the harder factions for me. (if MTW2 is patched that is)
Thats pretty historically accurate too lol. They were betrayed by their fellow christians constantly. Also being the Nights Watch of Europe, constantly invaded by radical Islamists who only paused their onslaught to delete entire cultures and languages in the middle east.
'It's a nice sunny day here' - It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Sorry, I could not resist. Great to see legend playing Byzantium. Seeing legend work horse archers is always a blast.
I love seing historical tw again.
I love you for showing us how to save a disaster campaign.
I cannot freakin believe we are getting Med 2 disaster battles! this is awesome!
Perfect fight for a wind of death or a firestorm :-)
1:09
“General! They Outmatch us 5 to 2!”
“Then it is an even fight”
It always cracks me up seeing the campaign model of the pope in Medieval 2, especially when he is besieging :D
Love the ME2 disaster content! It makes me want to fire up ME2 and royally mess up a campaign just so I can send Legend a save game.
Thank you for the upload. I love this game.
Legend, that was so satisfying to watch. my god.
”…Only a military genius can…” Luckily Legend at charge! 👊
Lmao at the advisor changing his tune so quickly. "Never doubted you for a second, my liege."
Maybe he does not change the actual naming of the settlement, but the save just contains the names from his language version (it looks like Polish)? There were also "Bukareszt", "Korynt", "Konstantynopol" and "Trabzon" in the video
l like that you give us "oldschool" videos as well.
"Shut up advisor! We are doing well!"
Classic
these videos making me start a new med 2 campaign
When Legend said: "Shut up, advisor," I imagined him saying it in his young Medival 2 era voice.
Cheers Legend ! Must admit i missed your videos covering medieval 2 . Would be awesome to see you play some mods like SSHIP or Bulat Steel !
Your tactics are so good, it's nice to watch
Med2 theme still slaps harder than any music since. Come on CA, give us music to party to.
Anyone else yearning to see Legend play as the Papacy in a role play campaign again? Or role play as the Turkish Sultan - yeah Legend with horse archers would be fun.
First time I hear it but the custom voice over for Ransom, Liberate and Execute is fantastic. It actually make it feel like a real important décision. You know, the kind that change peoples life
I'm really enjoying these M2 battles. Keep'em coming!
We all need medieval 3 😢
Oh this brings me back... Byzantines were the first faction I took all the way to the end in that game. Definitely don't recall the Pope invading though, so I wonder how he managed that.
The balance of power bar at 14:40 was hilarious
"God will help the faithful prevail" we says while fighting the Pope lol
Does the Pope always wear ceremonial armor, which gives him -1 health point? I noticed it a couple of times, but I don't know if it's always the case.
We used to pray for times like these
I only played total war WH3 and IE, but I really enjoy watching other total war games on your channel
Hahah I love it, this feels like a vintage legend video
Battles in Medieval 2 are just the best of any Total War
Thus begins the Great Schism
Loving the Rome and Medieval 2 content!
I did a Sicily campaign and resolved to be The Church's best friend. Only, the Pope was Venetian, all the Cardinals were from Venice and they hated my guts!
based as fuck, Byzantine taking rome from the Pope
holy shit he wasnt kidding. the damage that just 35 of those enemy generals cav did to his horse archers in seconds was crazy
Now nominate your own pope and call him Jeffoglio
I'm glad more people are sending their historical games. Generic outnumbered Warhammer 3 or Generic doomstack same 19 units Warhammer 3 was getting pretty tiresome
that last part where you made them beg was so fucking funny lol older titles had such a charm to them that is utterly LACKING in warhammer
The pope usually has the ornamental armor ancillary. Makes him pretty flimsy.
Legend of Total Pope!
Love these, keep them comin!
The battle that ends the great Schism
Can’t think of the last time I saw the pope that far east
Running down enemies in the old games was so sarisfying.
The pretender will bow before orthodoxy
Legend playing with his food at the end there. That's bad manners, you know?
Reverse fourth crusade ! Thatd what those schismatic papists get !
YES! keep it coming legend!
Yes, thats the stuff i wanna see.
Can the papal state be destroyed?i have taken all the territories they have but they still appear
Military genius confirmed
Love everything about this :)
Tbh this reminds me a lot of playing Rohan effectively in DaC mod! Horse archer Mordor/Isengard to bits with a few infantry to give them a fake target! Or even better a full Rohirric army ;)
Simple way to outskirm arbs using cav archers is cantabrian circle, when it's on the foot missiles just don't attack your cav
Politics can be very decisive, but if there is one thing you can get behind it is Legend crushing the Pope in Medieval 2 😂
"J to war here" - RUclips subtitles.
Its interesting how much shorter this field battle is compared to how the ones in warhammer end up.
Hey Legend, not sure if you'd consider it, but I loved your medieval 2 blitz campaigns! Would you be willing to give it another go ?
Byzantine using turkish tactics with turcoman horse archers. Legend, you have god damn black humour :)
Just bought it yesterday, tired of tw3. Great there is still some content about this game😊
The true Rome prevails.
In my very first game of M2TW when I was smol (I think the first patch at best), the Papal States became the second remaining power in Europe with which I was allied, and they and I were busy fighting off the timurids which I trapped in Poland with my citadel and a full stack of units.
I'm interested what the steam charts will show after a month from now.
I love TW games like nothing else and these older titles hold a special place in my heart but… man, the AI though. Sometimes winning is just a game of manipulating the poor programming to your advantage. And there is no one more skillful at that than Legend!
Is good to see LoTW playing again in Medieval2 ⚔👍
loved that ending
12:45 Only real OGs get this reference.