it mostly depends on the player whether they want to stick to it or not but for me personally i think not, since you can still complete something hard without having that high rarity units. just bc there are a lot of high rarity units that can help a lot doesnt mean that you need them most of the time to complete some stages or challenges
Another reason I feel gacha has a bad reputation that you didn't really touch on (and this is applicable to most mobile games) is the advertising. Mobile game advertising is so bad that there is an entire culture making fun of it, which trickles down to an inevitable dislike of the mobile games themselves. Triple A games actually have decent advertising which brought in many people despite the games being terrible, indirectly feeding company greed by misleading their potential buyers.
I have to say, kinda regret not going into this. Definitely something I should have touched. Most mobile phone ads are just a joke and certainly play a role in why many people have a bad impression about Gacha games.
@@nexgreymore8702 lmao ironically it was partially because of those bad ads early on (the ones with the deep voice narrator telling me to devote my life) that got me to look into it. The later ones definitely would've driven me off tho
To be honest Mobile Games were a major contributor of MANY sleazy practices we still get to this day. We had them before but not like since Mobile Gaming started becoing a "viable" market for producers.
I found many Gacha games to be just bad for you. My wake up call was when i woke up at 3 a.m. to just tap the screen for a few minutes to spend energy. In normal games I play when I want, in Gacha i play when the game wants to be played.
"Play at your own pace" you say - and then you immediately proceed to mention the sanity mechanics which quite literally prevent you from playing at your own pace.
Tbh it's not that bad, since you can just login play for a few minutes and logout which is great for very busy people like myself but it can be a problem for people who choose it as a main game along with others.
Gacha games can be very dangerous for people who are susceptible to gambling, basically the same shit as cassino. Did I spend money on gachas? Yes I did, am I addicted? Not really. I spend money on gachas only when I want something specific so it's still quite rare for me to use power of whaling on gachas I play (arknights-f2p/genshin-dolphin/honkai-f2p/PGR-f2p). I spent money on genshin only twice to get Yae miko and Ayaka, nothing more
I only spend money to save for characters i really want to invest. Last time i spend some money to save for Nearl Alter’s banner. I also invested on Female Byleth from Fire Emblem Three Houses in the game Fire Emblem Heroes.
Arknights is one of the gacha games i like that doesn't make or force you into spending your money for a needed character, you can play the game without spending money whatsoever while playing. The pity for pulling a limited operator is a problem that should be atleast fixed along other problems with the game. And there's no gear! Which is very nice.
I really wish there is a garuntee pity for standard banner..other than chen,skadi alter and NTR, I didn't want any other limited,what I wanted are the standard characters like golden glow,..unfortunately didn't get her(I put around 120 pulls)...that's why I prefer games like PGR and genshin since they have garuntee pity.
@@mkarun8688 We love our Pink Catto, aren't we? Well, I guess I'm Lucky to get 2 of her Copy, with only 10x Pull. But the cost is really bad; I failed to get Ling and Fiametta... Lol...
@@excelfate1602 bruh give me one..for real tho I was so depressed cuz I didn't get her..I guess I'll just have to wait until the next standard banner or certificate appearance.
Great video. But you should've universalized some of the terminologies like "Operators" to "Characters", and "Sanity" to "Stamina". Other than that, very solid video.
Because they're almost all same with a different paint of coat? Dailies, login bonuses, "events", sharing units etc etc etc. I'm pretty sure almost everyone who still plays them are just late adopters. And when you see thru the formula everything just looks like a cynical way to try to milk the players. Big assets. Waifus. Dates with units. Maid outfits. Cute voices. Everything is literally just a way to get players to spend money.
Gacha games share the same game mechanics, it's actually quite superficial, boring and repetitive. Also, the not very strong variability of the gameplay is worsened by the inaccessibility of a wide pool of characters and the impossibility of pumping them. And what's left, the design of models and animations of skills, now they can be quite beautiful, especially with Chinese developers, but still it quickly becomes boring because you have several characters and you look at a dozen animations 1000 times. The plot, on the other hand, is often filled with heavily overloaded dialogues that in fact make little real sense and the plot itself is often banal. And after all this, all we have left is the joy of account progress and new characters, both of which are blocked by paywall and long term grind.
imagine being a whale to the point you spend money equivalent to AAA games and gaming PC set, thats just stupid, as if source of enjoy is only one game
After 5 years playing gacha games and spending several hundred dollars, gacha games are better leave as side games. The problem is, once you start paying, the cost might even exceed the price of AAA games.
Hot take but I think the best "thing" that gacha games impart (especially to those who are f2p) are pinpoint resource management and smart planning-- gacha games can test your self-control and not spending a single buck while having fun in the game while getting your favorite pngs is probably an entirely different experience in itself.
I personally think it's the graphics assets of these games. So much time, energy, and money has been spent making this stuff. That's why I get sad whenever a gacha shuts down because that's all that work from the dev's side being lost.
As an F2p player of Genshin Impact, Alchemy stars, Arknights, PGR, Girls frontline, Counter side, Artery gear, And hopefully Revived witch and Blue archive that never invested any money in those games, I approve of this video. I always prefer to be f2p. It's really satisfying. Besides, I play them mainly for the story and the MUSIC. Oh my god, The music...
@@mkarun8688 I play them slowly. I'm still a high school student, So I have vacations. Also, I play only gacha games. Since I can't buy games, Gacha games are my saving grace! I'm using bluestacks for Counter side and Artery gear.
In my experiences with gacha games... -Yostar and Cygame is a really good one out there in my opinion. They really know how to do things... (Cygame also have the age restriction for spending as an option too...) -Mihoyo is okay but what I don't like about Mihoyo's games is you have to draw 2 gacha banners on the same period to get the best out of it. In Honkai3rd you need character, weapon and stigmas. Genshin is character and weapon...also lots of time to grind artifacts. -FGO is not recommend by me as well. I'd played when its first coming out in Jp and the rate is really abysmal. When I'm out of it I had last rolls over 300 rolls which I had saved about 6 months.... got only 2 five-star CE and no five-star servant. (In that time there is no draw ceiling as well) So I quit. No remorse.
In Genshin's case. The weapon banner isn't really a priority (that banner is targeted mainly for dolphin's, whale's, and leviathan's) since you can get away with just using either the craftable weapons or the free weapons given from events. And with FGO. 100% agree, don't touch that unless you're willing to spend BIG.
@@Mod3rn0ccult1st Yes, my account is completely f2p and i have a lot of 5-stars including the four broken supports (also i don't even use most 5-stars anyway lol)
I really wanted to play Honkai for a long time now. I love it's aesthetics of character battlesuit, looking it in HD make it so much more good. Back in the day my potato phone can barely playing it.
You didn't really answer your own question and just made a video to justified your experience with Gacha games. It made the video sound bias, too safe and not really going hard on why nor it's psychological aspect. Maybe "Why Gacha games are fun even with it's bad stigma" is much better title. But yes Gacha games are fun but tread carefully.
Actually I was the victim of overspending, but not on gacha games but on arcade games. You know it sucks that your dream shattered due to addiction. Now I mostly F2P and only ever spending $20 because the dev feels generous to me, like able to progress to the end with little spending (I'm looking at you Angry Birds 2)
Honestly after playing gacha for a long time, I find that the actual gacha itself just cumbersome cause I eventually need to grind for that character. I think a lot of non-gacha player only see the gacha part and somehow thinks it's unfair, p2w, etc when in actuality a lot of the time you kinda didn't need that 5 star or SSR unit if you actually trying to work with the free unit that you have. I mean yea it's preadatory for certain group (especially if there's no pity), but a lot of the time the gacha part is optional. Rn on HSR, I have like 18K stellar jade and only pull once on Kafka + her LC banner and I honestly still have a fun experience. It also forces me to be creative when building my character and team with the limited roster that I have, plus it also don't really put pressure on me to grind daily mission cause I honestly don't care about the stellar jade anymore. TL;DR: A lot of the time the gacha component is optional and if the game is good you're probably gonna have a good experience without it anyway
Gacha games are incredibly hit or miss. Most of the time, they're *miss* Especially with unholy red flags like VIP tier benefits, global shafting, the game being a shameless copy of another game (mostly AFK Arena), and so on. And of course, there's many games that make it so that only the highest rarity units/heroes are usable while all the lower rarity ones are useless. I'm looking at you, Revived Witch. Not every game needs to be super generous with things like hero selects and so on. GrandChase has to rely on powercreep via growth systems because there's only 40 heroes and that gacha game releases new heroes VERY slowly.
I don't like the gambling in games but i like gacha games because they are fun to me, even though I wouldn't think about spending for the game or for a character itself but i will do it to support the company behind the game i like
As an FGO player I can certainly agree about not recommending fgo to be someone's first gacha game. Don't get me wrong I love the game to bits like the story, gameplay, and characters are amazing. But I feel like people won't be able to appreciate those when its overshined by its shit gacha. However if its recommending fgo to someone who has gacha experience I would definitely recommend it and still with a warning of course. Also really like this type of videos would love to see more.
I think the best point you made about the fun of gacha games is having a roster completely unique to you. Not everyone has the same box of heroes and that lets players tackle the game in their own way based on what they have. Arknights is one of those games that surprisingly benefit from this for being a gacha. Honestly, I think there should be more awareness about the side effects of gachas, especially newer less-experienced players could throw themselves down the "gacha trap." In the end, people are paying for virtual items that they are not even guaranteed to receive. Thus its like gambling but little benefit Hmm, I do agree FGO may not be great as a first gacha but shouldnt SW also fit in the same boat? Plus its got PvP. Maybe during a time when gacha was just collecting cool monsters its a great game, but these days with such a big gap between new and old players (some old players Ive heard still dont have a L&D Nat 5), I'm also not sure its a great choice for new players compared to more recent games
for me why i don't like gacha game is pretty much most end game gameplay are locked behind paygate eg: dupes system and alike, paywalled characters (ofc duh), paywalled skills or change skill from equipments/skins. I rather pay $60 so i can enjoy everything the game throws at me atleast on gameplay side of things since when im playing game... i go for the gameplay, if i wanted story and music i just gonna watch youtube videos.
Gacha is basically virtual gambling. And some of these games are not monitored or regulated by any laws. It's actually still legal for an underage player to spend real money on gatcha and getting hyped over something with a random chance of getting, just like slot machines. Then one will question, what about Mortal Kombat games? Ain't that too gory and should be regulated. Yes, that's what ERSB ratings are there for, the rest is parents responsibility. Gacha on the other hand is directly involving your money, or your parents money. Gacha for cosmetics reasons are fine imo, but when gacha gives you a game changer, some non-gacha games like FiFa games, Diablo Immortal will tend to incorporate these mechanics into their game. You already spent 60 bucks for a "full game", and now you are forced to pay more than the actual game price to pull for something you are supposed to get for free in game. Where does all these comes from? Gacha games. I am still actively playing some Gacha games like Genshin Impact and Dead or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation (don't judge!). But I am glad to say I have not spent a single cent real money on gacha, yet. Those cosmetics, characters all are eventually obtainable through grind and proper planning.
SUPER MONSTER LEAGUE! OMG MY NOSTALGIA! I played that game years back and I miss it to this day, the only downside was the constant need to auto farm for nearly the entire day if you want to capture enough of the event monsters to Evo.3 them, or to get enough materials to Super Evolve specific monsters. I'd love to re-visit it again, it was my first ever gacha game and it holds a special place in my heart. My other problem is time managing those games. Arknights can be auto-ed, but if new event stages are out I have to make time when I'll clear those stages. Genshin is 100% manual play and has even more events for me to juggle with, worst ones for me are ones with a certain requirement that I have not cleared/explored in the game. Which I have a love/hate relationship with how it's handled for new, casual and busy players, but hey what can ya do.
If you play the gacha game, you are giving up a part of your human rights and dignity. Real gambling is at least possible to win money, gacha will only make you fall in desire.
I don't like the gacha mechanics, but I guess I can live with it. I do understand why people don't like gacha games, a friend of mine also spend a lot(we did stop him so he didn't go to debt)..many people will say you can just not spend on the game but some cannot control..so yeah.
When it comes to Gacha games for me at least...I generally keep it to 1-2 Gachas these days. At one point I was playing....maybe 3 or 4 Gachas mostly because of the gameplay. Dropped most of them simply because I got bored of them even if they only took 10-20 minutes to get everything done. Only game I'll play that involves open world really is Minecraft. Even better with friends. Sometimes I'll go find some random free games that will give me some fun.
The thing with gacha games problems are how it's eventually bleeds into influencing the business practice of even AAA games models and subsequently ruins the way these supposedly non-gacha games being tacked with even more microtransactions The way gacha games could reap obscene amount of profits with way less effort than most traditional full-priced games have granting new layers of stigma on top of already clear nature of gacha system being actual gambling in digital format It's really grant bad influences honestly and I'm both not surprised yet disappointed that there's still no tight regulations of it's systems even with CCP's already existing concerns with how gacha games' FOMO are weaponised at worse rates than full-priced video games sequels and pre-orders Also the typical outrage- flaunting "old guard" videogame journalists like JIm Sterling are such hypocrites for not throwing more shades on gacha games despite it's embodying the worst elements of the things that these peopel hated the most (on top of how most female anime characters are pretty much objectifying by nature in their eyes), probably people like her are afraid to be "cancelled" by already growing huge gacha game fandoms, especially from how ravenous Genshin Impact fans can be at even attacking their VAs to the point that Mihoyo's CEO only views Genshin Fandom as cashcows for their better projects
Simple reason why gacha games are hated -Causes addiction -causes unresponsible spending -drop rates are a lie -p2w/whales -grinding as a f2p makes internal suffering
The issue with the "upsides" is that they're created artificially by introducing scarcity. You can have ALL OF THOSE UPSIDES while still having player-friendly and good design. Gachas and lootbox mechanics are just poor excuses for them. They are predatory mechanics for greedy developers and cause the games to be filled with anti-fun design, making the games even more tedious and restricting than normal games.
My take on the whole lootbox and gacha thing. As long as the gacha/lootbox system doesn't gives you a very huge advantage or absolutely necessary to progress, it's fine. Like FGO, Azur Lane, GFL, Arknights. Not being able to pull the characters you want don't necessarily gate you from any progress. Would it be a bit harder? No doubt. But the content can still be done. Just requires more brainpower and patience. I feel games with PvP are the biggest perpetrators of bad gacha. Although not always the case. I played a Marvel gacha game, Marvel Puzzle Quest, daily for almost a year back in 2014. It had PvP, but outside of two instances where they truely fucked up (The release of Sentry and when they reworked X-Force Wolverine), the PvP experience wasn't that bad. Especially not too long after I started when they buffed the PvP drop table to include extra free pulls and more covers to upgrade 2 star characters (Game has 1-4 stars. With 4 stars being what you could call the UR/SSR Tier). So you could easily and quickly build up that roster and get better and better rankings in your bracket to get more copies of the 3 star (SR) character that was a reward and upgrade them more.
PvP I feel like should belong nowhere where you can spend money to get an advantage. Especially when they make it important for getting the gacha resource like in BA and Artery gear fusion. Azur Lane also has pvp, but its honestly kinda shit with shit rewards, I say this having played the game for 2 and a half years. I really appreciate how Arknights and a couple others don't have pvp.
Btw on Azur Lane.... U have something wrong if u dont get like the UR u want u can litteraly hit pity soo damn easy and grind coin Whats expensive on azur lane is the skins...
Considering the current political climate, I can't in good faith play games like Genshin/Honkai Impact even though they look like fun games. I generally stick to Japanese and South Korean developers/publishers, since I'm Korean-Japanese myself. It's a pity too since there's quite a few gachas that are backed by the same country that Genshin is backed by.
I play gachas cause its kinda fun to just work with what you get. That works really well in Summoners war cause runes are way more important than anything else, also 2 and 3 stars got/getting a 2nd awakening which improves skills and stats and make many just as strong as a nat 5
I don't hate gacha games, and I don't have any problem with adults playing and spending money on them. What I do have a problem with is that children under the legal age to gamble have access to them. If children can play gacha games, then they should also be legally able to enter a casino and drink like adults who can legally gamble and drink. Basically, I am saying that children should not have any access to gatch games until they are 18 to 21. This is my personal opinion, and no one has to agree with it, but not enough people are talking about this. Gacha and loot boxes probably should be illegal, but in the United States, it probably never will be. We have state sponsored gambling with the lottery, so gambling here is probably not going anywhere.
My only problem with gacha game is the market is oversaturated. On every platform you will always see gacha, not just one or two but several. I know gacha is how they make money but I don't like how it is treated by studios as the "only" way to guarantee profit.
The one gacha game that I would always recommend would be Guardian Tales. The most unique thing about it is the story. You don't read through the story, you live through the story. The gacha is really generous since it has 300 pulls pity and gives at least 1 ten pulls every week if you play the game regularly. And during certain events, they gives out free 100 pulls, 50 pulls, etc.
@@Meowning_. If you take it seriously, then yes. Plat 2 or 3 already gives 1700 - 1800 gem on reset so that's already good enough. Plus, getting MLB heros with MLB Ex weapons is not hard after a while as a f2p. If you do full clear in story and manage your inventory well, the stat bonus from collection gonna help so much that you won't fall under plat tier. Don't expect to beat out everyone without having a single MLB max evol hero because you are just a beginner at that point. Just take it easy on the arena and enjoy the story cause clearing the story is the fastest way to get stronger and get more gem.
Best Gacha lmao u can't even compete without getting destroyed by whales, there was time I saw a f lvl89 I was just lvl84?????? That guy dps drained my hp to half
some people like to say that gatcha games suck only bc they know that they do not have self control and they will spend their entire lifesavings and go into debt to play those type of games lmao
lmao such a shit take, all of these games are shit tier and nothing can convince me otherwise. Just games made for people who don't understand the value of money aka autistic weebs and children.
What kind of shit logic is this? You play any kind of Gacha you’re automatically the loser and a sucker for predator tactics. I don’t care what anyone says.
One thing I've enjoyed about gacha systems that I feel has been showing up less in games is meaningful unlocks. I'm much more of a fan of older Legend of Zelda games because even if the items were only useful for about 5% of the game it felt like I had actually added a tool to my belt rather than just another stick with a bunch of numbers tied to it. I only really play Genshin and Star Rail and while they do have those rpg elements with artifacts and such, the core of it all is still the characters skills/abilities and the actual character/story that makes getting new characters feel incredibly more engaging and rewarding to me. For instance, I ended up dropping Destiny 2 (before it REALLY started to go south) because grinding light level feels like a boring chore rather than real progression because 90% of the loot in Destiny is generic fodder that you use because you have to rather than you want to. They also weren't releasing content I cared to pay for. Witch queen was pretty good, but that raid? Memorizing symbols...again? FYI: Still a F2P Genshin and HSR
If you ask a Commander what the Stamina is in AZUR LANE they will say oil and that's incorrect! It's the girls Mood. If you play all day you'll make a dent in your oil but not a big one. Your Shipgirls will hate you. The game does stop and goes "They are tired" and most commanders take that as break time during grinds.
Honestly, I'm glad FGO is my first gacha game it's so expensive, I don't even want to spend any money There's no pity system, so not even a slightest temptation There's a Guarantee SSR deal per year, but even then it's random character based on character pools It makes me focus on every other thing the game can offer it's like weather, sometimes it's rainy, sometimes it's sunny, aaaand sometimes there's a meteor coming out of nowhere. wcyd After 3 years of playing, when I finally had my own salary, I can buy the Guarantee SSR deal. lmao Anyway never play FGO for the gacha N E V E R The highest motivation to keep playing the game should be the story
@@guardiansoulblade2673 it's new and honestly if you don't get the rate up SSR after 900 SQ that's just actual PITY from the dev at that point. but at least we won't get another ridiculous story of super unlucky people
well main reason gacha get disliked cause when you want some character then you cant get it till your tired and have to force money since theres massive thirst allready except for free to play who just quit and return later when the dissapointment gone
To add on your point on gacha giving the randomizer experience to each player. There was once a gacha game I played that released a sequel for their game, on the sequel instead of gacha they opted to just have the characters be purchased with freemium currency... at first I saw people liking the idea... a few months later said sequel game community is pretty much radio silent, so I asked one of my friends that played it, they mentioned how "boring" the game got because everybody is using the exact same team comps and the lack of variety kinda killed sharing strategies.
Aside of the predatory methods of lootboxes, and the awful rates of certain games, those games are on the majority of the times oriented to be f2p; as shown by this madlad, you don't really need gatcha units to complete the game; so either you pay to get what you want so badly (Given pity system), outfits, or just to say thanks to devs for such a wonderful game As said in the video, Sanity / Stamina / Resin or whichever refill resource system out there has another effect: To always have it on cooldown, refilling itself Kingsense... Ah, how I miss K & Ekyo (Yandere Hayamin + with a shield) Overall great video... You should slowly return to Honkai, cause if you felt impresses by Stygian video, you could even stream your impressions on the following chapters (Like "Thunders over Nagazora") A final shotout to a game must be FF Dissidia Opera Omnia: Has a high spike of difficulty, yet can be enjoyed on whichever level you want (And there's even a "CC" every few months too), it's fully PvE (Has co-op) and the gatcha rates are generous to even be able to win high rarity stuff with just free currency (Pity system & steady income of resources included)
I play a lot of Girls Frontline and Azur Lane and I believe I can speak to them well. I've played both for more than 3 years at this point. Girls Frontline has great waifus, a story that makes Arknights Chapter 8 seem cheerful, and the most punishingly difficult combat in any gacha game by a long shot. It's main theme is anthropomorphized guns and it's great, though the client's menu can be a bit buggy and crashes sometimes. Azur Lane is a great game for lewds. I'm still not sure how they get away with the age rating on this game, but they REALLY push it to the max in Azur Lane. It's a fun idle game and has some gear optimization, teambuilding, and challenge to it if you want. If you don't care about the sweaty end-game, it's a premier waifu collector that has THE best L2D animations in the entire gacha space, bar none. That being said, it's a game for horny people, and the devs never forget that. They know the player base really well and know what they want. Play the JP or EN versions. The CN version is heavily censored.
One game that i never bored to play is PGR , you can play without need S rank Cons you only need A rank and each of these can be ranked up by farm theirs shard cons at interlude and ppc, the challenge bosses can even beaten with A cons , you dont even need to gacha these memory or weapons because you can farm them at event and coop play
Nowadays I actually prefer low maintenance gacha games since you know people have been busy with other shit, I prefer games that I can play on the side which doesn't make me feel like I'm FOMO'ing hard. Besides Arknights, Blue Archive, Alchemy Stars and Epic Seven I alternate between them and I actually haven't spent a single dollar for a long ass time now which is nice. I prefer it this way unlike before on my high school days where I'd fucking fork out a huge amount of money to get that certain character and feel regret and emptiness at the end of the day. So for the TL;DR Pick a game that you would enjoy a couple of them with less game maintenance so you save up money. Be Smart on how to spend your dosh ladies and gents.
u should spend money to straight get the product，not gambling in rate pool，trust me even a adult also having trouble to self control failed to control spend too much on this gacha loot. those protection/guaranted pull after certain amount of gacha loots are still expensive to pull，im not hating the game ， in order the f2p games to survive doesnt have to be gacha loot box the games not suck but the gacha is the problem this really need get lot of people attention
I've played gacha games for a decade, and my spending habits have been really bad. It was my vice and the monetization system exploited my weakness for big tiddy waifus. I have since quit but I do not regret the time and money I've spent on gacha games, and I will still try any new gacha games albeit as a short term F2P player because I know I can't hold back on those juicy daily/weekly/monthly packs
Reverse 1999 just came out recently a few months ago And every character is usable. 2 star, 3 star, 4 star... all usable. Which is why i love it. And their gacha aspect isnt strict at all. 70 pity, all limited characters will go to the standard banner 2 patches after release. People need to see Reverse 1999
I absolutely loathe gatcha games, the fact that unlocking characters is dependent on gatcha destroys the fun of the actual game I just want to enjoy the game and UNLOCK character, not buy ingame currency just to gamble, f*ck that and f*ck all gatcha.
Well, I accidentally got into gacha games because of my working schedule. I work from 7:30 AM to 5 PM with some 30 minutes breaks between, but I love to take overtime so I usually go back to home around 8-10 PM. I hardly have any time to play game like Elden Ring, Monster Hunter Iceborne or Dark Soul Series(yes, I bought those games and I only ever played Dark Soul 1 and 2, the other are installed in my PC but I’m too busy to play them). I usually play tower defense game at office cuz they are not time consuming, mainly PVZ 2. I stumbled upon Arknights and when I tried it, it’s pretty good,not time consuming and not distracting, I can play 1-2 stages during break while eating snack or chatting with friends, and here I am playing Arknights for 2 years now😊
If I open boxes in CS2, Pubg, TF2, Dota 2, among others, I can sell or exchange what I take out. There is another reason why lootboxes are somewhat more accepted than gacha.
I've only ever bought pulls once before and that was because i knew i was guaranteed the character i wanted, that's the only money i've spent, can see myself buying the battle passes however if it has stuff i want. i feel like if every gacha game garunteed the banner character on first go instead of a 50/50 i feel like it would improve the experience for not only f2p but people who pay as well, but who knows, most of these companies are greedy as hell so if it drops the earnings then there's zero chance it'll happen
Why do people dislike gacha games? for the same reason they would dislike a casino that allows kids in. But what if they have the BEST theatre in the universe? it's still a casino that let's kids in and allow them to gamble... But what if they have an AMAZING FREE library? still a casino that let's kids in and allow them to gamble.. This is the EASIEST and CLEAREST argument against any gacha game. There is no need to get into why gambling is bad EVEN IF it's all 100% sound-minded adults.
Top gacha games with gear such as PGR honkai and genshin has alot of f2p options and pgr doesnt even have weapon gacha problems Gears are actually a blessing as it lets you minmax your units more wich if you didnt know is a serious issue on games like arknights as endgame players keep quitting the game
What I meant in gear rng in E7 are the substats. Every gear in E7 have 4 substats, which are random, and every time you upgrade a gear, every 3 levels, 1 of 4 substat get randomly pick to be upgraded. Getting a gear with the right substats is already RNG hellfest and then you add the upgrade RNG on top of that.
- Honkai Trash? I, the 3 year player with All Herscher, Decent Support, Good gear, etc. - Arknight P2W? I laugh. Maybe Ecko, Kyo, Yuki, laugh very hard too. See. I bit P2W, but only monthly card and I spend around $10 for 2 games . But if my money is used for the content like good music, concert, pay salary for the programmer I don't mind.
@@federalbureauofinvestigati4401 so you rather spend 70bucks on a re-re-release of a 20hour long, 10years old game rather than 10 now and then on a game you can play hundreds of hours?
As an Asian I have no problem with gacha games It’s free to play and every time I go to school I play it in general I like it idk about westerners but I think it’s made for us easterners to enjoy it I also like anime but I also love spending money 😂.
Ive been playing summoners war for 4 years but i just have no chance against players if i dont grind 25/8. Also because of how RNG-heavy it is with vio procs its just not fun.
That Filipino kid probably spends it on either mobile legends or Lol. At least for me back when I still play mobile legend. (I have Fanny Light born skin, and Angela Halloween skin) I Always brought it with my own personal money despite being a teenager. Today I never do that even the gacha games I play. since their going to shutdown anyways in the future why spend money on them. That's my opinion lol
my guy how is arknights a pay2win there are literally guides on how to finish the game without spending a cent, just by using event characters you get for free or characters you can recruit, yet again, for free. the only pay2win aspect is the limited edition characters which are few and far between
I classify P2W as needing to throw a lot of money to make any type of progression. Like Arknights can be done without the need for specific units or what not. Would the game be harder? Yes. But you aren't necessarily gated from progression. You might not be able to complete ALL content off the bat, but you can over time.
I'm f2p player & have pretty much every single 6 star character I think people really ignores the fact that you can even farm Rocks & exchange them for Orundum at the trading post (the 1-6 stage only cost 6 sanity) with a chance of getting 2-3 rocks in one run, that's how i manage to not miss a single Limited unit
@@xXVibrantSnowXx not everyone has that kind of luck. Also while orundum farming could get you a few pull, doing so will hampers your lmd and exp income, meaning it will take a lot longer to raise your operators.
If there are no guarantees on ever getting what you want, no matter what you call the mechanic, then that is very wrong to do to people. Fair guarantees and clearly showing the odds of getting all rewards should be a requirement of all games with both gacha and lootbox mechanics. We also know from the example of the difference between _Zombiegal Kawaii_ 's failure and _GunGirlZ_ 's success how much impact a gacha mechanic can have on a game's staying power. Even almost 12 years later, _GGZ_ is still open on the CN and JP servers. That tells you quite a lot about the players who have decided it's worth supporting. And how that support enabled Mihoyo to stay open and create _HI3_ and the other games afterwards.
Problem with one scene of your explanation: you showed a scene from Genshin while arguing that tha whale keeps on paying to keep up with other players... ...I don't know the quote of competitive 7 multiplayer Gacha Games, none of the Mihohyo games has this aspect, neither does Moe Can Change and as far as I've played it, Nikke, Punishing Grey Raven or Azure Lane or Towers of Fantasy don't have this. In fact, IMHO this pull is weaker in this games than in Neverwinter Online or many other F2P MMORPGS. Another point is that I on principle don't accept the argument or warning that SOME players might get themselves into financial problems. Where will we end up, if we always restrict ourselves to what absolutely everyone can handle compentently and savely?
In most gacha games now, you don’t really need to pay to win anymore. (Yes, I didn’t spend even a penny in gacha games and until now I am still playing 10 of them at the same time) Paying money is only for you to gain skins or characters that you might like. But as you grind and level up even the worst of characters you can beat most Champaign in any games, yes, it might take a lot of time to grind and level up them and spend more time and luck on beating levels but it’s possible to play and beat any level (unless you are talking about the 12 abyss in Genshin impact or the 90++ hardest levels in events of FGO) but the Champaign is still beatable
The only Gacha Game I'm playing is Genshin Impact and I really wish it was made into a full triple AAA divided in 3 parts covering 3 regions for game but with the huge amount of Lore this game has is impossible because it is a LOT so I'd admit I have put some money in it because I wanted some characters but mostly has been F2P i have two accounts one was unlucky so I decided to go for a Re Roll and we'll 16, 5 ⭐ characters and the only 4 ⭐ I don't have are Chevreuse and Goro in both accounts I believe I spent a little over 300, 3 times the $50.00 Primo Gems, 10 times the battle pass and around $60 on Welkin moons and the reason why I invested in the battle pass was only when I finished I did stop playing the game and I was only coming back once in a while that's the reason I lost limited time events and rewards so yeah that's the reason why I did a Re Roll i mean I've been lucky I'm still going to play the game but I will try not to spend any more money on it cause once the the servers shutdown is all over
There's also a thing about people having nothing to do with money, Gacha games are one of those methods for the boredom. I mean, if those people can save up that many money, they're probably smart enough to manage their spending. I think a healthy gacha game community would be that where a lot of the players who spend money there are rational enough to know where to stop and not getting indescribably addicted.
Do Gacha games Suck?
it mostly depends on the player whether they want to stick to it or not
but for me personally i think not, since you can still complete something hard without having that high rarity units. just bc there are a lot of high rarity units that can help a lot doesnt mean that you need them most of the time to complete some stages or challenges
Yes, but I'm addicted
Nope, but without Gacha Games, there is no competition between console games or other gacha games.
it's either the game's good but the gacha suck, or the game's bad but the gacha good.
Most do, a few don't. Gacha as a mechanic is good for getting money, and cashgrab games love that shit.
*Gacha games suck.* It can be fun. It can be entertaining. It can give a dopamine hit. But make no mistake, gacha games suck.
What makes us hate gacha is the illusion of choice. It feels like you can get any of those characters, sadly no.
Another reason I feel gacha has a bad reputation that you didn't really touch on (and this is applicable to most mobile games) is the advertising. Mobile game advertising is so bad that there is an entire culture making fun of it, which trickles down to an inevitable dislike of the mobile games themselves. Triple A games actually have decent advertising which brought in many people despite the games being terrible, indirectly feeding company greed by misleading their potential buyers.
I have to say,
kinda regret not going into this.
Definitely something I should have touched.
Most mobile phone ads are just a joke and certainly play a role in why many people have a bad impression about Gacha games.
The arknights ads are so bad when I started. They are *not* the reason I started playing lol
@@nexgreymore8702 lmao ironically it was partially because of those bad ads early on (the ones with the deep voice narrator telling me to devote my life) that got me to look into it. The later ones definitely would've driven me off tho
To be honest Mobile Games were a major contributor of MANY sleazy practices we still get to this day.
We had them before but not like since Mobile Gaming started becoing a "viable" market for producers.
I found many Gacha games to be just bad for you. My wake up call was when i woke up at 3 a.m. to just tap the screen for a few minutes to spend energy. In normal games I play when I want, in Gacha i play when the game wants to be played.
"Play at your own pace" you say - and then you immediately proceed to mention the sanity mechanics which quite literally prevent you from playing at your own pace.
Huh.
Tbh it's not that bad, since you can just login play for a few minutes and logout which is great for very busy people like myself but it can be a problem for people who choose it as a main game along with others.
That is if your pace is fast.
There's still Intergrated strategies I guess
I mean u could just use window mode (if your phone support it) and continue browsing RUclips
Gacha games can be very dangerous for people who are susceptible to gambling, basically the same shit as cassino. Did I spend money on gachas? Yes I did, am I addicted? Not really. I spend money on gachas only when I want something specific so it's still quite rare for me to use power of whaling on gachas I play (arknights-f2p/genshin-dolphin/honkai-f2p/PGR-f2p). I spent money on genshin only twice to get Yae miko and Ayaka, nothing more
I only spend money to save for characters i really want to invest. Last time i spend some money to save for Nearl Alter’s banner. I also invested on Female Byleth from Fire Emblem Three Houses in the game Fire Emblem Heroes.
Good... teach them self control.
i think adding age validation is a good idea to prevent children underage to buy stuff ingame without knowing value of money.
and being a responsible parents
@@nammielecoffeeaddict272 you got a point
I agree... gacha game need age restrictions
Arknights is one of the gacha games i like that doesn't make or force you into spending your money for a needed character, you can play the game without spending money whatsoever while playing. The pity for pulling a limited operator is a problem that should be atleast fixed along other problems with the game. And there's no gear! Which is very nice.
Agree, I may not have all operators but I have all that I want and the only thing I spent in this game is time
I really wish there is a garuntee pity for standard banner..other than chen,skadi alter and NTR, I didn't want any other limited,what I wanted are the standard characters like golden glow,..unfortunately didn't get her(I put around 120 pulls)...that's why I prefer games like PGR and genshin since they have garuntee pity.
@@mkarun8688 We love our Pink Catto, aren't we? Well, I guess I'm Lucky to get 2 of her Copy, with only 10x Pull. But the cost is really bad; I failed to get Ling and Fiametta... Lol...
Have you also played Fire Emblem Heroes once? They have a better F2P system and i also play it.
@@excelfate1602 bruh give me one..for real tho I was so depressed cuz I didn't get her..I guess I'll just have to wait until the next standard banner or certificate appearance.
Great video. But you should've universalized some of the terminologies like "Operators" to "Characters", and "Sanity" to "Stamina". Other than that, very solid video.
good point!
Definitely have to do this if I do more videos in that style.
Thanks for pointing it out ^^
Because they're almost all same with a different paint of coat? Dailies, login bonuses, "events", sharing units etc etc etc. I'm pretty sure almost everyone who still plays them are just late adopters.
And when you see thru the formula everything just looks like a cynical way to try to milk the players. Big assets. Waifus. Dates with units. Maid outfits. Cute voices. Everything is literally just a way to get players to spend money.
Gacha games share the same game mechanics, it's actually quite superficial, boring and repetitive. Also, the not very strong variability of the gameplay is worsened by the inaccessibility of a wide pool of characters and the impossibility of pumping them. And what's left, the design of models and animations of skills, now they can be quite beautiful, especially with Chinese developers, but still it quickly becomes boring because you have several characters and you look at a dozen animations 1000 times. The plot, on the other hand, is often filled with heavily overloaded dialogues that in fact make little real sense and the plot itself is often banal. And after all this, all we have left is the joy of account progress and new characters, both of which are blocked by paywall and long term grind.
“Gacha Games Sucks!”
F2P Players and Whalers: You picked the wrong house, fools!
Gaijin : i don't see what do you say ?
imagine being a whale to the point you spend money equivalent to AAA games and gaming PC set, thats just stupid, as if source of enjoy is only one game
@@richard35791 As if AAA games are even worth giving that much money anymore...
@@etam8099 this nigga haven't tried the souls series
After 5 years playing gacha games and spending several hundred dollars, gacha games are better leave as side games. The problem is, once you start paying, the cost might even exceed the price of AAA games.
FGO is my first gacha game, and it trained me to not be salty when I got no SSR. one point for the bois
Imagine spending hundreds monthly in cash for a subpar game lol.
This sounds like a joke but it isn't. They really are doing that...
Hot take but I think the best "thing" that gacha games impart (especially to those who are f2p) are pinpoint resource management and smart planning-- gacha games can test your self-control and not spending a single buck while having fun in the game while getting your favorite pngs is probably an entirely different experience in itself.
I personally think it's the graphics assets of these games. So much time, energy, and money has been spent making this stuff. That's why I get sad whenever a gacha shuts down because that's all that work from the dev's side being lost.
Anyone who play gacha games on a regular basis already failed the self-control test though.
You are being sarcastic right?
As an F2p player of Genshin Impact, Alchemy stars, Arknights, PGR, Girls frontline, Counter side, Artery gear, And hopefully Revived witch and Blue archive that never invested any money in those games, I approve of this video. I always prefer to be f2p. It's really satisfying. Besides, I play them mainly for the story and the MUSIC.
Oh my god, The music...
Good luck when Wuthering waves & Star rail / Zenless Zero comes
Bruh..for real how do you get the time to play all these
@@Jyxero I'm waiting for them!
@@mkarun8688 I play them slowly. I'm still a high school student, So I have vacations.
Also, I play only gacha games. Since I can't buy games, Gacha games are my saving grace! I'm using bluestacks for Counter side and Artery gear.
@@user-ln4so5fp5r I see..fair enough...but I do have to ask...how long will it take to finish all the daily tasks in all those games..
In my experiences with gacha games...
-Yostar and Cygame is a really good one out there in my opinion. They really know how to do things... (Cygame also have the age restriction for spending as an option too...)
-Mihoyo is okay but what I don't like about Mihoyo's games is you have to draw 2 gacha banners on the same period to get the best out of it. In Honkai3rd you need character, weapon and stigmas. Genshin is character and weapon...also lots of time to grind artifacts.
-FGO is not recommend by me as well. I'd played when its first coming out in Jp and the rate is really abysmal. When I'm out of it I had last rolls over 300 rolls which I had saved about 6 months.... got only 2 five-star CE and no five-star servant. (In that time there is no draw ceiling as well) So I quit. No remorse.
In Genshin's case. The weapon banner isn't really a priority (that banner is targeted mainly for dolphin's, whale's, and leviathan's) since you can get away with just using either the craftable weapons or the free weapons given from events.
And with FGO. 100% agree, don't touch that unless you're willing to spend BIG.
@@Mod3rn0ccult1st Bruh you can play FGO completely f2p even 1-stars from first year still really good wdym with spending big lol
@@brando6664 Yes you can play f2p, but can you roll f2p and still consistently get 5 star servants without spending a dime?
@@Mod3rn0ccult1st Yes, my account is completely f2p and i have a lot of 5-stars including the four broken supports (also i don't even use most 5-stars anyway lol)
@@brando6664 Then you're one of the lucky few, anyone would kill for that kind of luck
Never spent a dime on a gacha game. Personally I never cared. Once something sticks to me I'll just play.
"GACHA GAMES SUCKS!!!"
Continues to play
I really wanted to play Honkai for a long time now. I love it's aesthetics of character battlesuit, looking it in HD make it so much more good. Back in the day my potato phone can barely playing it.
You didn't really answer your own question and just made a video to justified your experience with Gacha games. It made the video sound bias, too safe and not really going hard on why nor it's psychological aspect. Maybe "Why Gacha games are fun even with it's bad stigma" is much better title. But yes Gacha games are fun but tread carefully.
Actually I was the victim of overspending, but not on gacha games but on arcade games. You know it sucks that your dream shattered due to addiction. Now I mostly F2P and only ever spending $20 because the dev feels generous to me, like able to progress to the end with little spending (I'm looking at you Angry Birds 2)
glad you were able to change :)
Honestly after playing gacha for a long time, I find that the actual gacha itself just cumbersome cause I eventually need to grind for that character. I think a lot of non-gacha player only see the gacha part and somehow thinks it's unfair, p2w, etc when in actuality a lot of the time you kinda didn't need that 5 star or SSR unit if you actually trying to work with the free unit that you have. I mean yea it's preadatory for certain group (especially if there's no pity), but a lot of the time the gacha part is optional. Rn on HSR, I have like 18K stellar jade and only pull once on Kafka + her LC banner and I honestly still have a fun experience. It also forces me to be creative when building my character and team with the limited roster that I have, plus it also don't really put pressure on me to grind daily mission cause I honestly don't care about the stellar jade anymore.
TL;DR: A lot of the time the gacha component is optional and if the game is good you're probably gonna have a good experience without it anyway
Gacha games are incredibly hit or miss. Most of the time, they're *miss*
Especially with unholy red flags like VIP tier benefits, global shafting, the game being a shameless copy of another game (mostly AFK Arena), and so on. And of course, there's many games that make it so that only the highest rarity units/heroes are usable while all the lower rarity ones are useless. I'm looking at you, Revived Witch.
Not every game needs to be super generous with things like hero selects and so on. GrandChase has to rely on powercreep via growth systems because there's only 40 heroes and that gacha game releases new heroes VERY slowly.
I don't like the gambling in games but i like gacha games because they are fun to me, even though I wouldn't think about spending for the game or for a character itself but i will do it to support the company behind the game i like
What an interesting way of seeing it
I play gacha games and i still say majority of them suck. Not to mention the gacha element of them which sucks universally in all of them.
As an FGO player I can certainly agree about not recommending fgo to be someone's first gacha game. Don't get me wrong I love the game to bits like the story, gameplay, and characters are amazing. But I feel like people won't be able to appreciate those when its overshined by its shit gacha. However if its recommending fgo to someone who has gacha experience I would definitely recommend it and still with a warning of course. Also really like this type of videos would love to see more.
FGOs story is borderline insane tough
@@kyarumomochi5146 is a flustercluck...
I think the best point you made about the fun of gacha games is having a roster completely unique to you. Not everyone has the same box of heroes and that lets players tackle the game in their own way based on what they have. Arknights is one of those games that surprisingly benefit from this for being a gacha.
Honestly, I think there should be more awareness about the side effects of gachas, especially newer less-experienced players could throw themselves down the "gacha trap." In the end, people are paying for virtual items that they are not even guaranteed to receive. Thus its like gambling but little benefit
Hmm, I do agree FGO may not be great as a first gacha but shouldnt SW also fit in the same boat? Plus its got PvP. Maybe during a time when gacha was just collecting cool monsters its a great game, but these days with such a big gap between new and old players (some old players Ive heard still dont have a L&D Nat 5), I'm also not sure its a great choice for new players compared to more recent games
for me why i don't like gacha game is pretty much most end game gameplay are locked behind paygate eg: dupes system and alike, paywalled characters (ofc duh), paywalled skills or change skill from equipments/skins. I rather pay $60 so i can enjoy everything the game throws at me atleast on gameplay side of things since when im playing game... i go for the gameplay, if i wanted story and music i just gonna watch youtube videos.
Gacha is basically virtual gambling. And some of these games are not monitored or regulated by any laws. It's actually still legal for an underage player to spend real money on gatcha and getting hyped over something with a random chance of getting, just like slot machines.
Then one will question, what about Mortal Kombat games? Ain't that too gory and should be regulated. Yes, that's what ERSB ratings are there for, the rest is parents responsibility. Gacha on the other hand is directly involving your money, or your parents money. Gacha for cosmetics reasons are fine imo, but when gacha gives you a game changer, some non-gacha games like FiFa games, Diablo Immortal will tend to incorporate these mechanics into their game. You already spent 60 bucks for a "full game", and now you are forced to pay more than the actual game price to pull for something you are supposed to get for free in game. Where does all these comes from? Gacha games.
I am still actively playing some Gacha games like Genshin Impact and Dead or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation (don't judge!). But I am glad to say I have not spent a single cent real money on gacha, yet. Those cosmetics, characters all are eventually obtainable through grind and proper planning.
DOA xtreme vacation is a gacha ??? Wtf isnt that a fighting game
And TAMAKI is the best lool
SUPER MONSTER LEAGUE! OMG MY NOSTALGIA! I played that game years back and I miss it to this day, the only downside was the constant need to auto farm for nearly the entire day if you want to capture enough of the event monsters to Evo.3 them, or to get enough materials to Super Evolve specific monsters. I'd love to re-visit it again, it was my first ever gacha game and it holds a special place in my heart.
My other problem is time managing those games. Arknights can be auto-ed, but if new event stages are out I have to make time when I'll clear those stages. Genshin is 100% manual play and has even more events for me to juggle with, worst ones for me are ones with a certain requirement that I have not cleared/explored in the game. Which I have a love/hate relationship with how it's handled for new, casual and busy players, but hey what can ya do.
If you play the gacha game, you are giving up a part of your human rights and dignity. Real gambling is at least possible to win money, gacha will only make you fall in desire.
Luckily for me,I have no fucking clue how to enter Debit card data,and want to keep it that way
I don't like the gacha mechanics, but I guess I can live with it. I do understand why people don't like gacha games, a friend of mine also spend a lot(we did stop him so he didn't go to debt)..many people will say you can just not spend on the game but some cannot control..so yeah.
I have to train my self control to play gacha games it pretty rewarding honestly
i mean, gacha system is basically p2w(if your luck is shit). It's just the matter of how p2w the games are
When it comes to Gacha games for me at least...I generally keep it to 1-2 Gachas these days. At one point I was playing....maybe 3 or 4 Gachas mostly because of the gameplay. Dropped most of them simply because I got bored of them even if they only took 10-20 minutes to get everything done. Only game I'll play that involves open world really is Minecraft. Even better with friends. Sometimes I'll go find some random free games that will give me some fun.
What’s a good first Gacha game
The thing with gacha games problems are how it's eventually bleeds into influencing the business practice of even AAA games models and subsequently ruins the way these supposedly non-gacha games being tacked with even more microtransactions
The way gacha games could reap obscene amount of profits with way less effort than most traditional full-priced games have granting new layers of stigma on top of already clear nature of gacha system being actual gambling in digital format
It's really grant bad influences honestly and I'm both not surprised yet disappointed that there's still no tight regulations of it's systems even with CCP's already existing concerns with how gacha games' FOMO are weaponised at worse rates than full-priced video games sequels and pre-orders
Also the typical outrage- flaunting "old guard" videogame journalists like JIm Sterling are such hypocrites for not throwing more shades on gacha games despite it's embodying the worst elements of the things that these peopel hated the most (on top of how most female anime characters are pretty much objectifying by nature in their eyes), probably people like her are afraid to be "cancelled" by already growing huge gacha game fandoms, especially from how ravenous Genshin Impact fans can be at even attacking their VAs to the point that Mihoyo's CEO only views Genshin Fandom as cashcows for their better projects
Simple reason why gacha games are hated
-Causes addiction
-causes unresponsible spending
-drop rates are a lie
-p2w/whales
-grinding as a f2p makes internal suffering
FGO players : That's the truth.
Me: playing FGO, Genshin, Arknights and blue archive at th same time
Dopamine, simple cause gambling gives u that high unfortunately RIP
The issue with the "upsides" is that they're created artificially by introducing scarcity. You can have ALL OF THOSE UPSIDES while still having player-friendly and good design. Gachas and lootbox mechanics are just poor excuses for them. They are predatory mechanics for greedy developers and cause the games to be filled with anti-fun design, making the games even more tedious and restricting than normal games.
Litterally this
Some people forget that in the ends its a money bait on all banners no matter what and defend it lmao
My take on the whole lootbox and gacha thing.
As long as the gacha/lootbox system doesn't gives you a very huge advantage or absolutely necessary to progress, it's fine.
Like FGO, Azur Lane, GFL, Arknights. Not being able to pull the characters you want don't necessarily gate you from any progress. Would it be a bit harder? No doubt. But the content can still be done. Just requires more brainpower and patience.
I feel games with PvP are the biggest perpetrators of bad gacha. Although not always the case. I played a Marvel gacha game, Marvel Puzzle Quest, daily for almost a year back in 2014. It had PvP, but outside of two instances where they truely fucked up (The release of Sentry and when they reworked X-Force Wolverine), the PvP experience wasn't that bad.
Especially not too long after I started when they buffed the PvP drop table to include extra free pulls and more covers to upgrade 2 star characters (Game has 1-4 stars. With 4 stars being what you could call the UR/SSR Tier). So you could easily and quickly build up that roster and get better and better rankings in your bracket to get more copies of the 3 star (SR) character that was a reward and upgrade them more.
PvP I feel like should belong nowhere where you can spend money to get an advantage. Especially when they make it important for getting the gacha resource like in BA and Artery gear fusion. Azur Lane also has pvp, but its honestly kinda shit with shit rewards, I say this having played the game for 2 and a half years. I really appreciate how Arknights and a couple others don't have pvp.
Pvp in most gacha is auto mode really not competitive/not fun at all
Btw on Azur Lane.... U have something wrong if u dont get like the UR u want u can litteraly hit pity soo damn easy and grind coin
Whats expensive on azur lane is the skins...
Considering the current political climate, I can't in good faith play games like Genshin/Honkai Impact even though they look like fun games. I generally stick to Japanese and South Korean developers/publishers, since I'm Korean-Japanese myself. It's a pity too since there's quite a few gachas that are backed by the same country that Genshin is backed by.
Ok
PGR still underrated as ever I see
Yep, agree with you man
PGR is so good
I play gachas cause its kinda fun to just work with what you get. That works really well in Summoners war cause runes are way more important than anything else, also 2 and 3 stars got/getting a 2nd awakening which improves skills and stats and make many just as strong as a nat 5
I don't hate gacha games, and I don't have any problem with adults playing and spending money on them. What I do have a problem with is that children under the legal age to gamble have access to them. If children can play gacha games, then they should also be legally able to enter a casino and drink like adults who can legally gamble and drink. Basically, I am saying that children should not have any access to gatch games until they are 18 to 21. This is my personal opinion, and no one has to agree with it, but not enough people are talking about this. Gacha and loot boxes probably should be illegal, but in the United States, it probably never will be. We have state sponsored gambling with the lottery, so gambling here is probably not going anywhere.
My only problem with gacha game is the market is oversaturated. On every platform you will always see gacha, not just one or two but several. I know gacha is how they make money but I don't like how it is treated by studios as the "only" way to guarantee profit.
The one gacha game that I would always recommend would be Guardian Tales. The most unique thing about it is the story. You don't read through the story, you live through the story. The gacha is really generous since it has 300 pulls pity and gives at least 1 ten pulls every week if you play the game regularly. And during certain events, they gives out free 100 pulls, 50 pulls, etc.
and then you suffer in PvP because ppl are running maxed heroes with their EX weapons with maxed options.
@@Meowning_. If you take it seriously, then yes. Plat 2 or 3 already gives 1700 - 1800 gem on reset so that's already good enough. Plus, getting MLB heros with MLB Ex weapons is not hard after a while as a f2p. If you do full clear in story and manage your inventory well, the stat bonus from collection gonna help so much that you won't fall under plat tier. Don't expect to beat out everyone without having a single MLB max evol hero because you are just a beginner at that point. Just take it easy on the arena and enjoy the story cause clearing the story is the fastest way to get stronger and get more gem.
Unfortunately the pvp is p2w, IF your objective is to climb the ranks.
-400 days Guardian tales player
@@mr.clevertrick8710 why even care about p2w when its just ranks
Best Gacha lmao u can't even compete without getting destroyed by whales, there was time I saw a f lvl89 I was just lvl84?????? That guy dps drained my hp to half
Arknights is probably the most generous among other gacha, also I like how we can borrow other people operator, flexing is sharing
some people like to say that gatcha games suck only bc they know that they do not have self control and they will spend their entire lifesavings and go into debt to play those type of games lmao
lmao such a shit take, all of these games are shit tier and nothing can convince me otherwise. Just games made for people who don't understand the value of money aka autistic weebs and children.
What kind of shit logic is this?
You play any kind of Gacha you’re automatically the loser and a sucker for predator tactics. I don’t care what anyone says.
True most of my friends know about self control
Or maybe they play real games instead
@@trigunn3414So whats a fake game
One thing I've enjoyed about gacha systems that I feel has been showing up less in games is meaningful unlocks. I'm much more of a fan of older Legend of Zelda games because even if the items were only useful for about 5% of the game it felt like I had actually added a tool to my belt rather than just another stick with a bunch of numbers tied to it. I only really play Genshin and Star Rail and while they do have those rpg elements with artifacts and such, the core of it all is still the characters skills/abilities and the actual character/story that makes getting new characters feel incredibly more engaging and rewarding to me.
For instance, I ended up dropping Destiny 2 (before it REALLY started to go south) because grinding light level feels like a boring chore rather than real progression because 90% of the loot in Destiny is generic fodder that you use because you have to rather than you want to. They also weren't releasing content I cared to pay for. Witch queen was pretty good, but that raid? Memorizing symbols...again?
FYI: Still a F2P Genshin and HSR
If you ask a Commander what the Stamina is in AZUR LANE they will say oil and that's incorrect! It's the girls Mood. If you play all day you'll make a dent in your oil but not a big one. Your Shipgirls will hate you. The game does stop and goes "They are tired" and most commanders take that as break time during grinds.
Remember the good old days when full games were released without micro transactions and stupid pity systems?Good times
Honestly, I'm glad FGO is my first gacha game
it's so expensive, I don't even want to spend any money
There's no pity system, so not even a slightest temptation
There's a Guarantee SSR deal per year, but even then it's random character based on character pools
It makes me focus on every other thing the game can offer
it's like weather, sometimes it's rainy, sometimes it's sunny, aaaand sometimes there's a meteor coming out of nowhere. wcyd
After 3 years of playing, when I finally had my own salary, I can buy the Guarantee SSR deal. lmao
Anyway never play FGO for the gacha N E V E R
The highest motivation to keep playing the game should be the story
FGO has 900 Saint Quartz pity. Still too high.
@@guardiansoulblade2673 it's new and honestly if you don't get the rate up SSR after 900 SQ that's just actual PITY from the dev at that point. but at least we won't get another ridiculous story of super unlucky people
well main reason gacha get disliked cause when you want some character then you cant get it till your tired and have to force money since theres massive thirst allready
except for free to play who just quit and return later when the dissapointment gone
Gacha game is basically a 1 way buying Mac n cheese you buy it but you CAN'T complain because it's came out blue
To add on your point on gacha giving the randomizer experience to each player.
There was once a gacha game I played that released a sequel for their game, on the sequel instead of gacha they opted to just have the characters be purchased with freemium currency... at first I saw people liking the idea... a few months later said sequel game community is pretty much radio silent, so I asked one of my friends that played it, they mentioned how "boring" the game got because everybody is using the exact same team comps and the lack of variety kinda killed sharing strategies.
Aside of the predatory methods of lootboxes, and the awful rates of certain games, those games are on the majority of the times oriented to be f2p; as shown by this madlad, you don't really need gatcha units to complete the game; so either you pay to get what you want so badly (Given pity system), outfits, or just to say thanks to devs for such a wonderful game
As said in the video, Sanity / Stamina / Resin or whichever refill resource system out there has another effect: To always have it on cooldown, refilling itself
Kingsense... Ah, how I miss K & Ekyo (Yandere Hayamin + with a shield)
Overall great video... You should slowly return to Honkai, cause if you felt impresses by Stygian video, you could even stream your impressions on the following chapters (Like "Thunders over Nagazora")
A final shotout to a game must be FF Dissidia Opera Omnia: Has a high spike of difficulty, yet can be enjoyed on whichever level you want (And there's even a "CC" every few months too), it's fully PvE (Has co-op) and the gatcha rates are generous to even be able to win high rarity stuff with just free currency (Pity system & steady income of resources included)
I play a lot of Girls Frontline and Azur Lane and I believe I can speak to them well. I've played both for more than 3 years at this point.
Girls Frontline has great waifus, a story that makes Arknights Chapter 8 seem cheerful, and the most punishingly difficult combat in any gacha game by a long shot. It's main theme is anthropomorphized guns and it's great, though the client's menu can be a bit buggy and crashes sometimes.
Azur Lane is a great game for lewds. I'm still not sure how they get away with the age rating on this game, but they REALLY push it to the max in Azur Lane. It's a fun idle game and has some gear optimization, teambuilding, and challenge to it if you want. If you don't care about the sweaty end-game, it's a premier waifu collector that has THE best L2D animations in the entire gacha space, bar none. That being said, it's a game for horny people, and the devs never forget that. They know the player base really well and know what they want. Play the JP or EN versions. The CN version is heavily censored.
One game that i never bored to play is PGR , you can play without need S rank Cons you only need A rank and each of these can be ranked up by farm theirs shard cons at interlude and ppc, the challenge bosses can even beaten with A cons , you dont even need to gacha these memory or weapons because you can farm them at event and coop play
i am addicted to gacha games but never spend money (top up)
playing since 2017
Nowadays I actually prefer low maintenance gacha games since you know people have been busy with other shit, I prefer games that I can play on the side which doesn't make me feel like I'm FOMO'ing hard. Besides Arknights, Blue Archive, Alchemy Stars and Epic Seven I alternate between them and I actually haven't spent a single dollar for a long ass time now which is nice. I prefer it this way unlike before on my high school days where I'd fucking fork out a huge amount of money to get that certain character and feel regret and emptiness at the end of the day.
So for the TL;DR Pick a game that you would enjoy a couple of them with less game maintenance so you save up money.
Be Smart on how to spend your dosh ladies and gents.
u should spend money to straight get the product，not gambling in rate pool，trust me even a adult also having trouble to self control failed to control spend too much on this gacha loot. those protection/guaranted pull after certain amount of gacha loots are still expensive to pull，im not hating the game ， in order the f2p games to survive doesnt have to be gacha loot box
the games not suck but the gacha is the problem
this really need get lot of people attention
I recomend Limbus Company, very good game and is very underrated
Coc is very under rated
@@Uohhhh777no coc is dead and uggo
I've played gacha games for a decade, and my spending habits have been really bad. It was my vice and the monetization system exploited my weakness for big tiddy waifus. I have since quit but I do not regret the time and money I've spent on gacha games, and I will still try any new gacha games albeit as a short term F2P player because I know I can't hold back on those juicy daily/weekly/monthly packs
Reverse 1999 just came out recently a few months ago
And every character is usable. 2 star, 3 star, 4 star... all usable. Which is why i love it. And their gacha aspect isnt strict at all. 70 pity, all limited characters will go to the standard banner 2 patches after release.
People need to see Reverse 1999
Same I'm loving it
no matter how good the story is or how good the art and graphics are or how cute the waifus are, gacha will never be redeemable in my eyes
only for those who can't control their urge
I can't recall but does someone know what was that gacha game that became B2P? Thats actually a BIG BRAIN move ngl.
I absolutely loathe gatcha games, the fact that unlocking characters is dependent on gatcha destroys the fun of the actual game I just want to enjoy the game and UNLOCK character, not buy ingame currency just to gamble, f*ck that and f*ck all gatcha.
It feels so weird to recgonize footage I recorded in a video but once again a banger video
... yeah, I'm F2P...
*ever*
Well, I accidentally got into gacha games because of my working schedule. I work from 7:30 AM to 5 PM with some 30 minutes breaks between, but I love to take overtime so I usually go back to home around 8-10 PM. I hardly have any time to play game like Elden Ring, Monster Hunter Iceborne or Dark Soul Series(yes, I bought those games and I only ever played Dark Soul 1 and 2, the other are installed in my PC but I’m too busy to play them). I usually play tower defense game at office cuz they are not time consuming, mainly PVZ 2. I stumbled upon Arknights and when I tried it, it’s pretty good,not time consuming and not distracting, I can play 1-2 stages during break while eating snack or chatting with friends, and here I am playing Arknights for 2 years now😊
If I open boxes in CS2, Pubg, TF2, Dota 2, among others, I can sell or exchange what I take out. There is another reason why lootboxes are somewhat more accepted than gacha.
Funny thing my first gacha is fgo, and I'm still playing it rn.
Azur lane gotta be one of the most f2p frendly games out there😭
I've only ever bought pulls once before and that was because i knew i was guaranteed the character i wanted, that's the only money i've spent, can see myself buying the battle passes however if it has stuff i want.
i feel like if every gacha game garunteed the banner character on first go instead of a 50/50 i feel like it would improve the experience for not only f2p but people who pay as well, but who knows, most of these companies are greedy as hell so if it drops the earnings then there's zero chance it'll happen
Why do people dislike gacha games? for the same reason they would dislike a casino that allows kids in. But what if they have the BEST theatre in the universe? it's still a casino that let's kids in and allow them to gamble... But what if they have an AMAZING FREE library? still a casino that let's kids in and allow them to gamble..
This is the EASIEST and CLEAREST argument against any gacha game. There is no need to get into why gambling is bad EVEN IF it's all 100% sound-minded adults.
someone dares talk shit about my png waifus!? ARRRGRG
Gacha with gear rng is the only one i generally avoid. I used to like E7 but the gear rng killed my interest.
Top gacha games with gear such as PGR honkai and genshin has alot of f2p options and pgr doesnt even have weapon gacha problems
Gears are actually a blessing as it lets you minmax your units more wich if you didnt know is a serious issue on games like arknights as endgame players keep quitting the game
What I meant in gear rng in E7 are the substats. Every gear in E7 have 4 substats, which are random, and every time you upgrade a gear, every 3 levels, 1 of 4 substat get randomly pick to be upgraded.
Getting a gear with the right substats is already RNG hellfest and then you add the upgrade RNG on top of that.
- Honkai Trash? I, the 3 year player with All Herscher, Decent Support, Good gear, etc.
- Arknight P2W? I laugh. Maybe Ecko, Kyo, Yuki, laugh very hard too.
See. I bit P2W, but only monthly card and I spend around $10 for 2 games . But if my money is used for the content like good music, concert, pay salary for the programmer I don't mind.
how to say you didn't watch the video and just look at the thumbnail xD
@@kevinseraphin5456 exactly he didn't watch it (•‿•)
So u rather waste money on single char vs full game?
@@federalbureauofinvestigati4401 so you rather spend 70bucks on a re-re-release of a 20hour long, 10years old game rather than 10 now and then on a game you can play hundreds of hours?
As an Asian I have no problem with gacha games It’s free to play and every time I go to school I play it in general I like it idk about westerners but I think it’s made for us easterners to enjoy it I also like anime but I also love spending money 😂.
Just play the game for what it is, if all people care about is the fact that it has microtransactions, you need to fix something in your life
I completely agree with you
I hope youtube show this video to others too
I don't hate gacha, just those greedy gacha devs
Yostar the chad
Ive been playing summoners war for 4 years but i just have no chance against players if i dont grind 25/8. Also because of how RNG-heavy it is with vio procs its just not fun.
That Filipino kid probably spends it on either mobile legends or Lol. At least for me back when I still play mobile legend. (I have Fanny Light born skin, and Angela Halloween skin) I Always brought it with my own personal money despite being a teenager. Today I never do that even the gacha games I play. since their going to shutdown anyways in the future why spend money on them. That's my opinion lol
U know ur life is messed up when you have 128GB of storage filled with just gacha games 💀
Yeah i'm a gacha addict 🤓
my guy how is arknights a pay2win there are literally guides on how to finish the game without spending a cent, just by using event characters you get for free or characters you can recruit, yet again, for free. the only pay2win aspect is the limited edition characters which are few and far between
honestly pay2waifu is more accurate for arknights.
yes it's easy to get a 6*, but half of the time you basically get anything but your waifu.
I classify P2W as needing to throw a lot of money to make any type of progression.
Like Arknights can be done without the need for specific units or what not. Would the game be harder? Yes. But you aren't necessarily gated from progression. You might not be able to complete ALL content off the bat, but you can over time.
I'm f2p player
& have pretty much every single 6 star character
I think people really ignores the fact that you can even farm Rocks & exchange them for Orundum at the trading post (the 1-6 stage only cost 6 sanity) with a chance of getting 2-3 rocks in one run, that's how i manage to not miss a single Limited unit
@@xXVibrantSnowXx not everyone has that kind of luck. Also while orundum farming could get you a few pull, doing so will hampers your lmd and exp income, meaning it will take a lot longer to raise your operators.
as someone who play fgo free to play who been playing for a long time I can agree that it gacha rate is not good at all
If there are no guarantees on ever getting what you want, no matter what you call the mechanic, then that is very wrong to do to people. Fair guarantees and clearly showing the odds of getting all rewards should be a requirement of all games with both gacha and lootbox mechanics. We also know from the example of the difference between _Zombiegal Kawaii_ 's failure and _GunGirlZ_ 's success how much impact a gacha mechanic can have on a game's staying power. Even almost 12 years later, _GGZ_ is still open on the CN and JP servers. That tells you quite a lot about the players who have decided it's worth supporting. And how that support enabled Mihoyo to stay open and create _HI3_ and the other games afterwards.
Is Xenoblade 2 a gatcha game?
Summoners war is ALL ABOUT PVP. Anything u do there is directed towards strengthening ur units for PVP. While fighting the games trash RNG too
Problem with one scene of your explanation: you showed a scene from Genshin while arguing that tha whale keeps on paying to keep up with other players...
...I don't know the quote of competitive 7 multiplayer Gacha Games, none of the Mihohyo games has this aspect, neither does Moe Can Change and as far as I've played it, Nikke, Punishing Grey Raven or Azure Lane or Towers of Fantasy don't have this.
In fact, IMHO this pull is weaker in this games than in Neverwinter Online or many other F2P MMORPGS.
Another point is that I on principle don't accept the argument or warning that SOME players might get themselves into financial problems.
Where will we end up, if we always restrict ourselves to what absolutely everyone can handle compentently and savely?
In most gacha games now, you don’t really need to pay to win anymore. (Yes, I didn’t spend even a penny in gacha games and until now I am still playing 10 of them at the same time) Paying money is only for you to gain skins or characters that you might like. But as you grind and level up even the worst of characters you can beat most Champaign in any games, yes, it might take a lot of time to grind and level up them and spend more time and luck on beating levels but it’s possible to play and beat any level (unless you are talking about the 12 abyss in Genshin impact or the 90++ hardest levels in events of FGO) but the Champaign is still beatable
everything except arknight, tbh i prefer to play arknight with *3*4 to complete the stage there is a certain satisfaction 😌
The only Gacha Game I'm playing is Genshin Impact and I really wish it was made into a full triple AAA divided in 3 parts covering 3 regions for game but with the huge amount of Lore this game has is impossible because it is a LOT so I'd admit I have put some money in it because I wanted some characters but mostly has been F2P i have two accounts one was unlucky so I decided to go for a Re Roll and we'll 16, 5 ⭐ characters and the only 4 ⭐ I don't have are Chevreuse and Goro in both accounts I believe I spent a little over 300, 3 times the $50.00 Primo Gems, 10 times the battle pass and around $60 on Welkin moons and the reason why I invested in the battle pass was only when I finished
I did stop playing the game and I was only coming back once in a while that's the reason I lost limited time events and rewards so yeah that's the reason why I did a Re Roll i mean I've been lucky I'm still going to play the game but I will try not to spend any more money on it cause once the the servers shutdown is all over
There's also a thing about people having nothing to do with money, Gacha games are one of those methods for the boredom.
I mean, if those people can save up that many money, they're probably smart enough to manage their spending.
I think a healthy gacha game community would be that where a lot of the players who spend money there are rational enough to know where to stop and not getting indescribably addicted.
> I don’t recommend FGO as your first gacha game
Me, looking at myself from 4 years ago: Haha… yeah. First gacha game…