Goalie Myths Busted - Does Certain Equipment Make You a Better Goalie?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Can certain Goalie Equipment instantly make you a Better Goalie? The NHL seems to think so! But does some goalie gear really help your game? Let's find out together!
Do you think specific Goalie Equipment makes you a better goalie? Let us all know in the Comments Below!
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TRUE skates, 2spro stick and G4 pads. Only pieces of gear I can say have made me a better goalie because they have highlighted an element of my game that much. Id say pro laces and buttendz as well if you wanna get down to accessories and how my butterfly is now with toe ties and puck handling cause of the Buttendz grips.
I recently bought Vaughn slr2 pads and the Vaughn’s bungee toe ties are my favorite ones I’ve had. They don’t move and just clip on like a keychain. Really cool
Man, I need to get me some accessories!
2s pro pads tho 👀
trav4oilers I only watch u and vogoalie I am supprised to see u here
Hey trav I watch your channel
02:34 I'm 43 and those JBs are similar to what I wore in my teenage playing years. Those are definitely from the mid 90s and considered the Cadillac of the pad world at the time. Well, those and the Vaughn Legacy. Mind you, I wore Cooper pads, that were white, with my very first set, used from the late 80s, still being tan. My trapper and blocker were Victoraville. In other words, I was Old School by todays standards. I digress. My Coopers had deep leg channels, we wore them snug to avoid shifting. We didn't have "butterfly" then. We had sprawl and pad stack. Goalies today, the older equipment was made to last, but today made light and mobile. Good video.
My roller club actually has a set of CCM Heaton pads that I played in for a while. I think modern kit makes you a better goalie playing modern style, I definitely have an easier time doing butterfly in my Vapors than those. And considering that the Heatons were 34" while my vapors are Intermediate large, they were very akward to move in, and the weight effect is definitely a thing. Except with sticks, heavy sticks all the way, they have more weight behind them and don't get knocked aside as easily.
I think all that matters is that you wear the equipment that fits your body and your style. It does not matter if the gear is old or new get what works for you!!
The thing is, certain gear will inhibit you. So, it's not that it's "increasing your skillset," it's simply not interfering with it.
Awesome experiment Wayne 🤘
Thanks Shaun!
I've upgraded everything except for my helmet, collar guard, and cup.
Dear Wayne! It was really amusing, how you tried to use the old pads. The point is that when i started to play goalie (in the middle of the 90's), my coach always told me to stay on my feet. "If you are down, you are dead" he said. In these pads he was absoluely right. You can't move yourself on your knees. It was really ineffective in my opinion. So when you try to use them as the new ones, it's like you try to win a drag race with a caravan. Or carry your whole family with a dragster. It is just not the right tool for the job.
Great points about having the right tool for the job! And clearly, your coach knew what he was talking about!
Looks like a typical Stinky Socks game at 7:07 smh... #benderhockey
"Equipment" but all he changed were the pads
Having a custom-painted mask makes you feel cool, making you play better!! Full disclosure, I paint goalie masks. ;-)
Price???
Do you do them for anybody?
Don McClelland how much?
Yo! You did my helmet a while back! I love it!
@@beyondaercsx9457 Ive paid about 400-1000 dollars per, it varied for me, between the 4 helmets I have had painted.
As an “old goalie,” who played in the pre-synthetic equipment era, I appreciated your comparative analysis. The one comment that you made regarding the size of pads allowed by the rules was not exactly correct. As it has been awhile since I checked an old rule book, I remember the “Standard allowable width may not exceed 10inches.” The pads I used were John Brown Pro Customs. They were 31 inches high. Yes, the skate toe fit in between the pads. They were stuffed with deer hair, and never softened. The difference between today’s goalie and the “ancient goaltender was technique. Todays goalies go down too soon and give too much top shelf room when they do not have to. Also, too many of todays goalies even at the NHL level are locked into the stock of their sticks and lack the ability to use the full shaft for poke checking and stickhandling.
I would have really appreciated using the Brown pads that you featured. The custom pros had no such inner pads and knee pockets, etc. The only addition were the additional pads added to the inside of each leg to protect the inner legs when making a “skate save.” These pads were extremely heavy. I do not remember how heavy they were, but at least 8 pounds each, before water absorption. I invite you to look at a picture of Ken Dryden and his physical profile when in full battle dress. He looks very minimally protected. Look at the goalies today, and you think the Pillsbury Doughboy is in net.(:
Thank you. I believe you are correct. If I remember correctly, pads could be no wider than 10 inches, and could not exceed 11 inches when broken in. I see we agree on the lack off proper technique by today’s goalies. An off-shoot of the “flopping Follies,” is many shooters are going down to one knee to get a better angle in close to lift the puck up over the goalie. i am extremely disappointed that now with goalies being on the ice, there is now the “Lacrosse shot” to embarrass them even more. Most announcers do not seem to know the difference in the finer points of technique to describe this. If the goalie was upright and covering the short-side, he would be in position and poised to take that shot away. The goalie could also at least try a stick check be fore the shooter gets the space to tuck it over and in.
Did you ever check out the Howie Meeker book I referenced? Every goalie technique that Buddy Blom showed there would still be appropriate today.
Then there is the weight of the horse hair those leather pads were stuffed with! If you tried to fly butterfly style in 1970s pads you’d get tired very quickly.
I always see comments like this from people that are probably aging out of making a proper butterfly and/or refuse to look at new techniques and equipment. The fact is, the butterfly has been in the game pretty regularly since the late 80's, if not sooner. Of course today, the game is centered around that bottom third of the net -- but guess where most shots go. Watching training videos you'll quickly see that depth, angle and active hands address the entire net, not just one portion. The raw truth of the matter is, many heroes of the past would be 20 goal scorers facing the goalies and techniques used today. That might shatter your worldview a bit, but most guys then were winging it and today would never see a professional paycheck.
As a youth goalie
I can block the net very well up high. I also do poke checks quite a bit and use the full length of the stick even though playing a newer style so old style can be implemented into certain things.
Makes you wonder how Hasek did it.
Totally!
It was his unconventional style!!!
Understanding your gear. I played in 90`s and yes gear was completely different compared to today. But gear changed quickly as I remember horse hair Vaughn as my first set, similar to the Brown in middle and foam towards the end. I find the new gear too stiff and light. That also being said huge difference between intermediate, semi-pro and pro gear.
@@gaikokuhito5574 I have played from the 70s to 2018 and have had no problems readjusting to the newer equipment.
@@petermontagnon4440 I always had a hard time adjusting to new gear since small changes could make the difference between the way you held your stick, the openning angle of your catcher to the shooter, rebound control off of the gear etc... Even the same name/model of gear could feel different and respond differently.
Are you ever gonna do a full game video, or potentially just a highlight from a skate? I enjoyed the video where you did some commentary while in the crease.
Thanks for the suggestion! Full games are on the list, but over the summer I'm only skating sporadically, so we'll see how things go! Thanks for asking!
All of my equipment was from the late 90s/ early 00s after a hiatus in hockey. In the last two years, I have upgraded all my equipment except my helmet. This is what I have learned.
New skates are lighter, taller and higher on the ankle. (CCM 652 to Bauer x700)
Pads are lighter and smaller. And yes they are much more stable in the butterfly (Vaughn Vision to Reebok XLT)
New pants are stiff, beefier and taller. (Brian's to CCM 1.9)
C/A are just a little beefier (Itech 4.8 to CCM 1.9)
Blocker and catcher are just a little smaller but more protective (Vaughn Vision to CCM for both.)
I still rock my Eddy helmet. I have taken hard shots (including one that shattered my dangler) and it has never done me wrong. It could probably do with a new cage and padding though.
Thanks for sharing! I had an Eddy back in the day too! Loved the shape of that shell!
Most goalie gear you can just adapt to over time but I feel that I play better with more protective gear cuz I don’t flinch as much because I know the shot won’t sting
You can see that the 90s gear was built for skate work. Today’s pads are built for being on your knees a lot and moving around down low.
I didn't mention this in the video, but I wore my old Bauer skates which have gone unsharpened for years! I really committed to the role!
Excellent analysis. Knowing how much of a butterfly slider you are, I was feeling bad for you in the Brown pads. One thing I do remember from when the Brown pads first came out was the softness of the pad face; the intention was to dampen the puck so that you wouldn't give up much in terms of rebounds--your D was being trusted to keep crease invaders away, giving the goalie time to cover the puck after it hit the pads.
Your point about smaller (narrower) gear providing better mobility hits the nail on the head. I remember being nervous when I switched from 12" pads to 11", but quickly realized that I was more nimble in the net and could move around quicker. The weight savings is another unintended consequence of the size reductions; fatigue plays less of a role late in a game than it used to, even if the goalies in the old spec gear were underrated physical beasts.
Ultimately, gear is secondary to a goalie's ability to skate and know angles, depth, and read the play. Bigger gear might allow a good goalie to play a little deeper, but if they can't skate or read the developing play, any saves they make will be pure luck.
Thanks for the always great insight! Great point about how defense and goalies work together in the d zone. All the more reason why skaters should watch videos about goaltending!
I’d have to say that the question is often stated incorrectly. Q) Can certain gear make you a better goalie? A) 98% of the time.. definitely not. But! When you change the question to Q)can certain gear IMPROVE your game? A) 100% yes.
For example- If you can’t track a puck, then it doesn’t matter if you’re wearing a baseball catchers glove, or a $600 custom pro build goalie glove. Buying a better glove isn’t going to make you all of a sudden able to catch a puck. BUT! If you have a cheap glove and often catch stingers, maybe it affects you psychologically, and by switching to that “top of the line pro build” glove, maybe you gain more confidence, less fear in the back of your mind, causing you to flinch less and catch more puck you may have shy’d away from previously. When I switched from my bauer supreme pro’s to vapor 900’s I was incredibly disappointed. I couldn’t stop many shots I thought I should have. My game suffered. That was for many reasons. My Playing style and the learning curve mostly. I had to learn how to be more of a butterfly goalie and move on the ice. But when I switched from vapors to Brian’s Gen1 pros, even though a little older pad, my game went back up, and passed my previous. Now I had a flexible pad like I was more used to, with the butterfly and hybrid tech I needed
unless it's 20 years old, it all matters what your comfortable with, quick uses a pad from basically 2004 and he's in the chel. of course new cowingless skates and composite sticks will help but if your good, your good
Newer pads made a huge difference in my game! I went from pair of 36 +1 Reebok 5K, to a pair of Bauer Supreme 2S''s the past season. The Bauer make it a lot easier, almost too easy to slide across the crease. The first couple of games I was sliding almost out to the edge of the faceoff circle. They also make it extremely easy to cover the 5-hole when going down and on the ice in the butterfly. I even was scouted by another team and asked to play for them after coming off the ice from a particularly good game.
90s goalies would have been in killer shape wearing those pads all the time.
I play with some goalies who players refer to as "the guy with the illegal pads." I also play with a guy who is huge and wears 42" pads. The equipment doesn't make him better, but his size definitely helps him cover the net more efficiently than my 5'9 frame and 33+2" pads.
Ha, thanks for sharing! I vaguely recall someone doing a pseudo scientific look at how the taller your pads are, the longer it takes to close your five hole... As a short goalie at least that's what I tell myself to make me feel faster!
42" pads??? Sweet Jesus...is this guy 7'6"???
i still have all my 90's Vaughn 3500 series stuff, maybe i should pull it out and give it a revisit.
Wayne, I started to play a few months ago and I had to go cheap. I have a set of Bauer reactor 36 + 2 (I'm 6'2"), but not overweight at about 210. Nevertheless, learning the basic positions and shuffling has been difficult. I have gotten the hang of the backside edge push, but sometimes, if I don't get a perfect push, I don't get across the crease. I got the leg pads for $175 because as a beginner, I'm on a low budget. I guess it's rec league and it doesn't really matter, but I can't afford better gear, so I feel like it's my bauer s150 glove and blocker, with my bauer reactor 36 + 2 leg pads, or no hockey at all. I wonder if I'm hindering my ability to get better with these overweight pads. Personally I like the way they look, but I have had people say "Man these are heavy." I wonder if having to wear the heavy cumbersome pads now will actually help condition myself better so that when I get better pads it will be easier? I should send you some video of me playing. I started in April, but it has been a ton of fun. Do you still want newb goalie vids for your blog? Thanks!
Thanks for your comment! Think of your older pads like weight training! Did you know Jaromir Jagr would practice with a weighted vest? So when he was in games, he'd be that much faster! But conversely, if you're struggling with an aspect of a modern style, your pads might be hindering your learning. While great deals can be had in the used online world, you could always go the modding route to make the pads you have work better for you! But be advised... Once you mod your first piece of gear, you'll be modding everything else there after! While things like skate sharpening will affect your shuffling or pushing abilities, gear doesn't seriously impact basics like angles or positioning. Getting those fundamentals down now will make it easier to learn more advanced stuff as your skills grow! Good luck!
Those Brown pads are lightweight. I used to wear Cooper GP95L all leather with Cooper's blocker and glove. The upper body equipment was smaller and provided more mobility. As for your Brown experience, if you had ventured away from butterfly and played more of a hybrid style, you would have been less tired and had better results.
Those pads weren't meant for full butterfly goalies. Movements were more precise and you would make a lot of saves with your foot turned out (why older goalie skates had that big plastic shield on the inside of each skate). Also a goalie needed massive legs to move. Only way you could get any speed out of them. Lots of up and down.
I believe that some people feel more comfortable in different gear which improve people’s attitude making them try harder and different gear can be made for different play styles making it easier to do thing or making you better
Sometimes yes
So I have a perspective from a ref's and goalie's view. I recently switched from playing out for 15 years to playing net for the past year and half, so I'm definitely new but I think goalie gear matters. When it comes to size you want equipment that properly fits you. I started on a budget and didn't know what I was getting into but kept getting stuck in net as a spare goalie with random, sized equipment so I bought what I thought fit and was cheap. I then got advice from other goalies and realized my pads were too short, hence the shots to the knees and my chest protector was tight and a large junior. I geared up to taller pads and bought newer, large senior chest protector and can't believe the difference it makes. As a goalie, I can say an old, worn out glove is terrible for catching and is great for players looking for rebounds and I have seen this proven true in all the games I reffed. I swear the goalies at A-AAA level minor hockey teams are good, partially because of better gear. You never see a AA goalie with old equipment like you do in house-league.
Just getting back in the net after 22 years off. I wish I would have found this channel a year ago! So much has changed in the pads alone since 1996. Love this channel!
Thanks for the info!
Hey Wayne, You provide awesome goalie content ! I am a 48 year old who played pickup hockey when I was young. I stopped playing for 20 years and I have now been back playing again for 5 years. 2 years ago I decided to try playing goalie. I was hooked and I love it. I play at Norway Savings Bank Arena in Auburn Maine. I have a youtube page and I post most of my league games.(Most via Live barn some GoPro) I love what you do with the Voice over and the GoPro setup. I would love to collaborate with you in some manner. There is nothing better then this game (except family) and I can't believe got away from it for so long ! Keep the videos coming and the more in-depth videos are totally awesome! PS I grew up in Attleboro!
Awesome! Growing up south of Boston, you must've caught a lot of Whalers games!
@@VOGoalie Black and gold runs deep in Massachusetts :) . Growing up all I heard about was "The Big Bad Bruins" We were 100% Bruins fans in Attleboro. I did see one game in Hartford though . It was a great game against the Bruins!. I was a teenager. How about you, whats your favorite team, and who is your favorite goalie? Again Keep up the awesome work ! 3-3 tie tonight for me.
LOL that full butterfly on every shot!! Playing in those old-school pads pretty much demands a half-butterfly, which is a move I think you rarely even see from pro goalies these days.
NO, I want to move faster.... At least I did when I played back in the day - I'm 39 so not that old, lol.... I want the least amount of pads so I can move and stop the puck... Pads limit your movement and all that jazz and I want none of that limited movement stuff....
IDK, I'm sure there are lazy goalies out there too that want loads of pads so they can blame it on something....
But me, I want to be as mobile as possible - I don't want to be like Ralphies little bro in "A Christmas Story" in the scene where "he cant get up"... Of course you have goalie coaches out there teaching these slugs how to use pillows as puck stoppers and rely on their pads but I'm not one of them. lol..
I truly believe that it really does not make a difference unless you go to the extreme like you did in this video. But any new set of pads will most likely preform almost the same. Yes, everyone has personal preference but I think at the end of the day you are only as good as you are... I know it sounds weird but it's true. Give any set of pads to any NHL goalie, and as long as they are the right size, I bet they would still play way better then I could haha.
Goalie here. I 100% believe new equipment helps you. I'm a couple seasons into my ritual G4 and the ability to slide compared to my prior pads that are from 2006 is completely different. My ability to cover more ice is unhatched.
Also, saucing with a composite stick is much easier because of the flex.
Love the vids. Though. Keep it up and hope you bounce back soon.
Nice, I didn't even touch upon sticks so thanks for mentioning it!
Cool vid
Thanks and thanks for your comments!
It maders if your good not how cool your helmet is and have a eye on the puck
I'm starting to upgrade from all my old gear so I've been thinking about this a lot! So far the biggest performance booster imo has been comfort. No longer thinking my feet hurt or feeling unstable in skates that don't fit right. No longer fiddling my helmet or having to look around the bars of a cert cat eye with a new cheater. If you don't have to think about your gear you'll have a lot more energy to focus on the game and you'll get a lot more enjoyment out of it too
Great point! The more comfortable you are in your gear, the more energy you can devote to the play and not fidgeting with out of place equipment (or in my case constantly thinking about creating content while playing!)
@@VOGoalie your content has helped me a lot so far! I got new skates in part because of your video on the most important piece of gear and bought a cheater cage since you wear it and I love it! I never thought about my gear much at all beforehand and you've taught me so much! 6 years in minor hockey, no mention of a skates attack angle and woah does it make a difference. Keep up the great work! You are totally awesome!
Only two goals in those pads?!?!? Kudos to you sir
Nobody gonna mention the one guy with the yellow visor
Good stuff Wayne! I'm curious if your knees and ankles felt the pressure of having them "locked" to your pads, instead of all the elastic you have on your new gear. During your game footage it looked like most guys playing Roller, you just cant slide like you can on ice.
Hey Wayne, love the videos. Could you do a video about the best goalie masks to buy.
Great video Wayne! I went from my Vaughn Velocity first gen 7000's to a full set of V7 carbon and the change was very noticeable. Lighter, faster slides and the size of the knee landing pads help so much. Even the gloves, though smaller I seem to be able to move faster and feel that my catching glove is way more secure ( Though you and Trav have me thinking about Warrior gear now ;) ). I recently decided to change up the thigh boards for knee guards so we'll see how that goes, but I would love for you to make a video on knee guards...I couldn't find much out there when I was looking into what to buy and other goalies thoughts on what they used.
Thanks for your comment and sharing your gear evolution! I'm actually currently rocking a set of PAW kneepads. Check out my recent video about them!
It's a confidence thing also in my opinion
John Vanbiesbrouck and Jamie Storr wore those kind of pads in the late 90's and they were among the lighter pads of that era (I know because I tried them out myself but ultimately stuck with Heaton Helite 6 and Bauer Reactor 5 pads back in those years). The weight of the pads was never an issue for me or any other goalie I knew back then, but then of course, the game was different. I retired in 2005 when I was 24 which was right before goalie pads started to develop into what they are today.
Those Brown pads are sweet.. I used to dream of getting a set of Heaton Helite 3s..
As a goalie who recently went from old gear to new.. Maybe it won't make me better but should be faster with the weight savings (especially at the end of a game when pad are wet/heavier and I'm tired 😅) but mostly I feel more confident because I'm not worried about getting hit in unprotected areas 😅
One more thing.. Speaking of old pads and how wide they are, I would like to measure Arturs Irbe's old pads 😂😂 maybe 16 inches wide 😂
Started play goalie full Time around 2005 I was a forward before noticed when watching nhl on tv I always caught myself watching the goalie also our goalie we had wasn't to good so I used his stuff for a game to see. The next day I sold all my player gear lol 14 years later I still in joy playing but never got a handle on shooting the puck any way u can make a video on it that would be great
I learned to goalie in pads like those browns, and I can whole-heartedly say, modern gear TOTALLY helps. I thought I was in heaven in the late 90s when I got Louisville TPS Contours while playing club hockey in college. Even though they were still mostly old school, they were the start of supportive butterfly/hybrid. Also, way lighter and waterproof, so compared to my older Cooper Reactors, and Paul Thomsons before, the Contours were a huge leap above. Fast Forward to my Brian's and Warriors, there's absolutely zero comparison. (Gear Slut note- I had matching color Kolzig glove & Blocker to complete that set. Mad pimping for the day.) In old school pads, as you found, there was no butterfly push, it was all about quick up and T-push, or splits to cover ground (a' la Richter style). Love the vids, Cheers.
I know this is an old video but i just returned to the ice after 15 years. I was used to Old Vaughn's from around 2000, TPS bionic globe and blocker and old CCM skates. I bought brand new CCM premier pads, new CCM skates with no cowling with 3mm blades that i didn't realize until after my first skate. Needless to say my first game was extremely awkward. After my second i was much more comfortable. Now i need to find some ice time to practice some of these new moves.
I’m a defence and my best buddy just started goalie and I think goalie stuff is big for a reason.
4:11 *epic recovery there*
Just dug out my Elite JB291s circa 1998. See Glen Healy with the Leafs for an example. Makes me think yours are from about 2000. Basically the last of the old spec. Mine have less padding in the landing area and 2 boot straps.
In those days if you made a butterfly save, you got back to your feet as soon as possible before moving to your next position. The butterfly was a save selection, not a stance.
As a young goalie myself, I can say for a fact that getting certain gear has made me better. From an age-of-gear standpoint, going from hand-me-down reebok p4's to bauer vapor 1x's with nothing in between has certainly improved my butterfly and slides, but from a point of view where pads are pads, nothing else, I don't think it would have made much difference if I got, say, brian's airpac (the newer model, of course). I do feel that most gear is relatively the same, just with some tweaks here and there. for instance, ccm's speedskin was very tempting, though i didnt like the way the pad was attached to my leg. there are pluses and minuses for every single piece of gear. having said that, some gear that i would like to have seem to have no apparent minuses, but once you get used to certain types of gear and play style, it can be hard to change those ways to adapt to the newer gear. I am only bantam first year, so i have a long way to go before i really understand weather or not certain gear makes you better, but i feel i summed it up pretty well.
You have an awesome voice
i remember my old coopers -- by the end of the third they gained about 20 pounds of water weight - ugh!!! I might also be one of the only goalies here that had the old school jason mask. I got new gear in 2018 from my pro-shop in Alaska. When I checked in to the airport, the Warrior leg pads, CCM Chestie and pants along with Vaughn blocker and glove weighed in at 22 pounds. Skating lite was a little nervy but got used to it. Confidence breeds success between the pipes. If you look good and feel good, you will most likely play good.
I think you can’t compare any old style of playing and the gear with the new modern play and gear. You were trying to play a modern game with old gear and you can’t. Even when you were explaining why, it just doesn’t make sense to even try comparing the two. Why not compare 90/90s gear to 50s&60s. Its like saying what would Bobby Hulls shot be like with the new composite light sticks. If there was no 2 line pass rule when Stan Mikita or Booby Orr played. I can appreciate the video but think the comparison is unrealistic old styles vs modern styles.
Great video. I've actually been looking for information on this topic for a while and haven't found much good info. The topic of New vs old school goalie pads. I'm 41 and started playing hockey at 5 years old, but I haven't been on the ice since about the age of 25. And when I stopped playing was right about the same time frame that goalie gear transitioned to the new style of equipment. So I have only ever played In the old style, wider and heavier pads. I haven't even been into a hockey shop and actually picked up and felt a pair of the newer style pads. So, my interest in the game has come back and I've been wanting to get back on the ice again. I have a pair of old school Brian's Alite Air Pac pads that were pro level pads back in the late 90s. But my question for you is, do you think I should get back on the ice using the old school pads I have, or would I do alot better to buy a new pair of pads and start fresh with a pair of lighter new style pads. I can think of advantages to both options and am not sure which is better. On one hand the older style pads are all I have ever known for playing goal so if I do have any form of muscle memory from my youth, the older pads would definitely be better, I was never a butterfly goalie. And I thought I might have a little advantage using an older style of play, making me something of an outlier and confusing shouters who have only ever faced goalie's who use new style pads. One of the biggest differences I've noticed between new era goaltending and how the position was played when I was playing is that goalies seem to go down to the ice on nearly every single shot. I was watching a video of every single goal Austin Mathews scored in his rookie year, and almost every goal he scored was upstairs. That got me thinking that because the new style pads are designed to make butterfly much easier for the goalie to go into, it's made goalies neglect the upper corners of the net. So playing old school stand up might actually benifit me. I know that there are a few "stand up" goalies around. But even they go down to there knees way way more than even the first of the Butterfly goalies like Ed Belfour or Felix Potvin. On the other hand I'm 41 and not in top shape, so I can see alot of advantages to buying a new pair of lighter pads and there are probably many other advantages to the new style pads that I wouldn't even know until I tried them. I was hoping maybe you could give me some advice on the topic since you have obviously used both the new and old style pads. I have found some information online from guys who are still using old school equipment. But they all seem to be old school purists and collectors of vintage equipment. Not much discussion about the differences between the two eras of pads. Any help on the topic is appreciated. Also I wanted to say great two pad stack save in the video and your glove save at about 7 mins into the video. It reminded me of the glove save Dominic Hashek made on Mario Lemiux when the Dominator was with Chicago, my all time favorite Save. And also you have a great "voice over" or narration voice, I wondered if you have ever heard that before or have done any sort of voice over work in your life.
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Gear doesn’t necessarily make you a better tender but confidence in and comfort/familiarity with your gear absolutely without a doubt leads to better play.
I quit playing for 13 years, the last set of pads i had before i quit were Louisville xhales which i sold. When i got back into it i bought brand new Brian Genetik Pro 2’s.
Took a bit to get used to the way new pads are these days as well as knock 13 years of rust off, i even had to adjust my style of play. i didn’t like them for most of my first season back. But after getting used to and comfortable in them i love them.
I would agree the equipment doesn't make you better. However, the right or wrong equipment for the goalie, can make a difference yes. Catching gloves for example have various angles, which are not as effective if at the wrong angle, which can force a goalie to change their stance, something a goalie doesn't do without serious reservation. Stick curve is another thing of strong preference. Can they adapt yes, ideal, no, they're likely gonna hate that. Some pad shapes depending on the body mechanics a goalie uses to do certain movements will effect their movements. Some goalies like a high, very box shaped, thigh rise like warrior pads. Some goalies like just really beefed up shin guards because they're the anti-Neo or Jackie Chan of goaltending, like Marty B. Your hip flexion has a genetic predisposed limit, so the mechanics of how their body works will dictate their gear selection. Goalies that are head to toe the same brand are not as concerning for the coach as the goalie who's wearing a CCM/Reebok catcher, a warrior blocker, Bauer stick/skates, and Brian's pads. Those were calculated, thought out choices, or their parents bought their gear off eBay. If the goalie hand picked that gear because it works best for them, not because the patterns matched and looked cool, AND their play is solid, as a goalie coach, I will look a lot harder at that goalie, versus a goalie that is an advertisement for a brand, in a selection scenario.
Who’s label is on the gear is not relevant (to me) in terms of how it stops pucks, but how it works does. Here’s an example. I can catch a puck with any catch glove, but one with a narrow palm break preferably at a sharper angle fits into my hand better which makes the big love work better for me.
Interestingly though I’ve been playing since the days when you could get pads in any color you wanted so long as you wanted brown the modern pads work BETTER for the way I play which is much more the modern style of play with an emphasis on the low game and sliding which as Wayne demonstrates doesn’t really work with older style pads.
The biggest thing is that gear is both lighter, and much much more protective than it used to be.
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3 pieces of equipment that definitely made me a better goalie, especially as I'm getting older and my reflexes aren't starting to dwindle: 1) A second jock. You might laugh but one of the most monumental moments in my adult goaltending life was reading an article on InGoal Magazine's site listing out pro equipment and it was the first time I learned that most high level goalies where at least two jocks. Not being afraid of catching one in the chimes increased my confidence in dropping to butterfly in front of guys in close tenfold. 2) My Maletese throat guard. See above on confidence. I hated having a dangler but all previous throat guards were were either too bulky and interfered with my mask or non-protective. The Maltese changed all that. I don't need a dangler and I am not worried about any shots catching me in the collar bone (or an arrant skate). They're expensive but worth every penny (and you shouldn't grow out of them). 3) Knee pads. I've only been wearing these in the last year and a half since I switched to a true sliding pad. It's like dropping into cloud. Not to mention I've taken some direct hits in the knees and hardly even felt them. Plus I don't have to worry about my knee missing the landing zone when the play gets a little crazy.
There’s also the psychological aspect of newer equipment. Better technology and materials are safer, lighter & disperse energy better. Wayne rightly discusses the predictability too. All of this creates a better mental landscape for the goalie and a since of confidence! I just started playing goal (LW since 5th grade) and goaltending is much more cerebral than I could’ve imagined!
Yes, today’s pads are lighter, slide better. I played in 90s when pads would get waterlogged. To shed weight I used player pants, lighter full cage helmet (better vision) but dangerous, and older chest protector that didn’t protect.
What it did was make more athletic or agile...I stayed on my feet and skated and used trapper to catch all pucks or blocker to deflect; was less of a blocking goalie. I also didn’t drop to knees unless I needed to reach with my legs to make a save.
Updating your gear every 2-3 years is a must, IMO. As a former goalie and current goalie coach, I have learned that I need to stay up to date on how equipment works and feels if I'm going to be able to coach it.
So much attention is given to leg pads, glove and blocker. I say we should be looking at the chest protector. That's the piece of equipment that is giving modern goalies the biggest advantage. Goalies used to look like skaters from the waist up. Now they look like they're wearing one of those inflatable sumo outfits. I know there's a safety aspect to that but it looks to me like goalies are gaining three or more inches to their shoulder height. That makes a massive difference on shots coming from 20 feet away.
I know the brst goalie equipment that made me a better goalie. Everything that covered me more catching/stopping a shot and reduced the amount of pain helped a lot. I as a goalie your job is to stop going over the line and the 2nd job is to give hell to the opposite team players.
For me, the most significant piece of equipment that changed my game was a pro Chesty. I went form an old abused Vaughn low level one and switched to a CCM Pro, and this made all the difference in confidence and stingers.
Modern day tech + slightly larger equipment... Most likely prevents a couple goals here and there...
But nothing overly significant...
Now try some old school Kenesky's
Ha, if Pop's sends me a chesty, I'd definitely rock it!
modern pads with more open knees and modern strapping definitely makes butterfly easier. Going from first gen Vaughn Ventus to the second gen SLR pro carbon leg pads, the rrc strap helps you drop so much easier with it and the boot strap being the only thing that really anchors the pad to your leg.
Man you got an amazing voice
As a skater, I always wondered why Hasek thought flopping around was a good idea. I guess it was more like, he had to flip around due to the gear. Wonder how long it would take for the old school guys to get accustomed to the new equipment. Cheers.
That's why I was so terrible as a kid and teen being a goalie. I didn't realize how hindering the old scoo pads where. I got the new rbk style and my game jumped from crappy to pretty decent. Sliding was easier and way lighter in the rbks
I'd have to double check, haven't played net in a looooooong time lol, but i had those or the Elites. Can't remember. But i never tightened all the straps, only like the bottom 2. I ran the bottom most strap under the back channel of my skate and tightened that one along with the next strap up
Hi I noticed a few Stinky socks jerseys in your video, do you happen to play around the Boston area? Would love to come out and play with you sometimes.
Dude sweet glove save you made... looked like a full 90s goalie. The point of old gear to new gear and how we play is true. New gear allows us to be stable and mobile, while the old gear was bigger and you had to recover in a different way. I say the newer gear does give us goalies an advantage if we can change our game to the style it is designed for.
LOL.....Sweet 90's save!!! 😂🤣
Hmmmm, I'd have to say yes. Wearing some equipment makes me a better goalie.....
LOL! Great video man! Loved watching you shuffle around on your knees! 😂
Ha, now that would be a click bait video idea! Watch me play goal without wearing...
I find the equipment does matter. I have 2 Brian trappers one older and one newer the older has a larger catching basket and is really well worked in I play much better with that trapper
You cant play the style of today in the older pads. Ok to some extent. The equipment was designed to be stand up. You had to be mindful of your rebounds. I still play like that even to this day in newer gear. Last summer I finely got a new chest protector (had a Vaughn VP700. I think...) mobility I feel was much better in that old one, but less is the painful stingers so there is some trade off to it. Btw sweet pad stack!
Thanks for your comment and for your kind words about my pad stack. Clearly I'm still rusty as I prob threw it a tad early, but I couldn't go the whole skate with these Browns without stacking them at least once (or trying to)!
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My new Vaughns are a little harder to do a two pad stack in. Not as soft and WAY more square then my old ones. Also noticed that them move way different then my old ones with the strapping set up. I would do a custom order, but pads are expensive enough as is.
I have Pallas spyder pads from 1999-2003 and they're working great in game's
Yes better equipment makes me a better goalie. Send me 5 grand Goalie monkey gift card and I’ll prove it!
4:23 idk if you’ve ever played roller hockey as a goalie but it looks a lot like this
New skates changed my game for sure.
Figuring out paddle length and stick lie was also huge.
Well other things being equal lighter weight is almost always better you move faster and tire less quickly.
Just played my first game in New England... Boston Bruins place is awesome.
I’m a skater but I want to play goalie I think the thing that affects how a goalie plays is the length of the lace that you tie around your skate
I have john brown 287 pads. They have landing gear and modern knee cradles.
Goalie equipment may look bigger causing players to make a more perfect shot
I think it’s more the weight of the gear in the style you like that will determine what gear suits you best
I am a skater and I like warrior pads because they are not as heavy and better to slide on the ice.
I think the answer is both yes and no. No equipment can take the place of practice, natural ability, athleticism, etc. But the newer lighter equipment certainly can help you take your game to another level.
After my experience, I think you might be right! As always, thanks for your comment!
I dont know why but i love to watch this video over and over. Never gets old
It’s tough to say. Obviously goalie equipment has come a long way, but so hasn’t the game. Watch an nhl came from today and go back and watch one from the 90s it’s a 1000 times faster now. Forwards are using feather weight sticks these days where as back then they had two piece graphite or wood. Guys could still really shoot back then but it wasn’t the same kind of torque and quick release that many guys have now. Players are so much more skilled present day with all the new sticks and lightweight equipment. With that being said, I think today’s goalies would still have a tough time going back and playing in the 90s. They have adopted the butterfly style with new style pads and I don’t think they’d be any good changing their style.
I’m more of a hybrid. Graduated from high school in 2004 and was rocking Heaton Helite pads. Took 14 years off and got back at it a few years ago. After a few skates to shake off the rust i was better than i ever was. I still had the same athletic ability from growing up in the 90s, but have the lighter and more predictable equipment.
Nice, always wanted a set of Heaton pads (esp when the had puck foils!). Great points! The evolution of the game overall has made it almost feel like a totally different game now! Thanks for your Comment!
Hahaha those guys running into each other at 7:05
The only piece that affects my play is my toe hook cuz it doesn’t come off
My roller club actually has a set of CCM Heaton pads that I played in for a while. I think modern kit makes you a better goalie playing modern style, I definitely have an easier time doing butterfly in my Vapors than those. And considering that the Heatons were 34" while my vapors are Intermediate large, they were very akward to move in, and the weight effect is definitely a thing. Except with sticks, heavy sticks all the way, they have more weight behind them and don't get knocked aside as easily.
Thanks so much for your comment! Now you got me wanting a pair of Heaton pillows! But only if they have puck foils! Lol
Hopefully his girlfriend wasn’t at that game