They strike me as someone who lives in a very insular community. Jehovah's Witnesses are a bit like this. Mormons too. Absolute "there is literally no other way to think, you must be insane to disagree" thinking. This is what from-birth brainwashing will do to a person.
@@RussianPrimeMinister You this in Muslims a lot as well. Apologists, who are supposed to be at least conversant with debate regarding god, react with baffled confusion whenever they encounter someone who disagrees. It's as if they had never encountered them. These days, they must have had, but it is still really strange to see the way they cannot possibly handle it. I am sure it's because the religion is more insular than Christianity- not that we do not see many terrible Christians who cannot represent their religion to save their life- and that they reached adulthood with not enough pushback to articulate themselves properly.
Her accent sounds Haitian Creole to me. That bums me out if I'm right. Christianity was the primary excuse for the atrocities committed against her people through slavery and beyond. As a black, lifelong Atheist, I will always be incredibly saddened by black people fervently defending any religion, but especially Abrahamic religions. Our bodies are free (arguably), but our minds are still enslaved. It's so damn sad...
Yeah, that’s why I jump to slavery in the Bible when arguing with theists: it’s the same chattel slavery as was in practice in America. If someone calls it “different”, I just block them for the sake of my own mental health.
@@shardinhand1243 Yes. But only certain of us descend from race-based chattel slaves whose captivity is excused by the religion of which most of the descendants of those slaves are vociferous followers.
I watched a video two days ago on a guy who made it out of the top floor of the 2nd tower on 9/11, and when he got back home to Chicago, went to church. After nearly losing his life to religion, he thought the perfect thing to end the day would be to add more slightly different same religion that nearly ended him.
Every prophecy in the Bible came true? So Egypt is a wasteland where no one lives? And the city of Tyre was permanently destroyed? Oh, wait, I can visit both places today, and they’re fine. Huh.
Luke 9:27 'I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.' The last 2000 years show that to be false prophesy and Deuteronomy 18:22 'when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.' So this dude Jesus does not speak the word of the Lord and we need not fear his teaching, huh, so much for Christianity and all that inanity. SMH
If you peel it back, the true reasons start to melt out: they were born into a religious family, fear of death and/or what happens after death, or they don't want to lose their only community/social circle. It's just clinging to false hope at this point.
Quran says: “Allah:there is no deity worthy of worship except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient perfection.
@@bluesky45299 Oh really? Can you show me Allah's neural network then, friend? Without those neurons, without visual receptors (rods and cones), auditory receptors (ear canal, bones, the drum), nasal receptors (nose hairs), mouth receptors (tastebuds, teeth) you get no reception of stimuli that turns into information. So how is Allah, who seems to be invisible, gathering information of stimuli with no sense receptors and no brain? Maybe this is wishful thinking on your part, but, unless you have evidence that you can have a brain without the neural network, these are just desperate claims.
I feel sorry for Ettuca. I get the feeling she has never stopped to look outside her bubble before. Telling Matt if he believes that the Bible is a lie, he should be telling people that suggests she has never encountered any kind of atheism before; this was a genuinely new concept to her
That's usually the case. Whenever I hear Christians say "Oh I've talked to many atheists before..." I usually roll my eyes and call BS on that assertion. They're usually shocked and surprised that their built in narrative fails the moment they actually talk to a real atheist.
The entirety of her intellectual capability is located in a thin layer of dandruff on the scalp ;) If it was a D&D game she would be playing a troll character with intelligence 3.
🤚🏾…Caribbean Kid here….Multiply this attitude by an entire household, ,Schoolteachers , Village, Town ,the Authorities , the Govt, Country and ultimately The Caribbean ….I am lucky sometimes I dont get stones thrown at me for my Views. I would have hit my knees to the floor and swear that there is a God if they actually got thru to her.
I’m from the U.K. and my mate is Jamaican decent and does orders of services for the communities here - one lady started banging on about god and was astounded that I was an ashiest - it was like I had 4 heads and she was confused as I was the first ashiest she’d ever met .. and I had just helped her church by designing a book for her .. she and lots of the community are really indoctrinated - no nothing about reality outside of the bible as they had never gone outside the bubble. I asked her some questions but got this type of response. No getting through to someone who is so entrenched - no explaining evolution, no explained slavery in the bible, no pointing out that no one knows who wrote the gospels ( she was adamant it was the apostles 🤷🏻) .. everything was in gods hands - bad things happen - Devil or the lords will … asked her how she knew which one was attributed to each ‘thing’??
@@andeytubeyshamonYo the only reality outside of believing the bible is that Atheists are devil worshippers who kill ,pillage and run rampant doing dumb stuff. ThWhen faced with the person who they knew all their life and it flies in the face of their stereotyped interpretation of an Atheist , I get …”Oh he’s just joking, he’s not really an Atheist”….🤦🏾♂️
I think she's a good example of how little people think about things. My in laws are like this. Whatever they were taught, they accept it carte blanche. It blows me away because my brain works totally differently. I'm always full of curiosity and questions. But when I ask them things about their own religion- greek orthodox- they have no idea and they've NEVER wondered themselves! For example, one time I said to my sister in law: you guys are like catholics in that you believe in the holy trinity. And she attempted to tell me: no we don't. She was wrong... and she had never known it to begin with and she had never known about lots of other things because she never bothered to think about it. That is just so weird to me. But I guess that's how indoctrination works.
Most people are sheeple. They dont think, they obey/follow authority. As you witnessed there is an astounding ignorance amongst the believers. Most of them dont bother to read their holy book. Funny how some atheists are more knowledgeable about scripture then the average theist. What also bothers me is that theist skip from on religion to another and now claim to have found the REAL god. Uhmm, didnt he belief his previous god was real? What happened to all the proof you had and conversations you had with that god? Was it all make belief after all and how could you proof it? So you are telling me that all believers of your previous faith are all followers of a fake religion? They dont ask these important questions. None of them can demand their god to do a miracle... none! But they are convinced he exists. Funny how that works. 80% of the population are simpletons.
I was raised as an Orthodox Christian. My father is a priest. I was always curious and asked many questions about all subjects, beliefs, etc., EXCEPT for my theist beliefs. Luckily, I began the process of analyzing my "faith" and religious belief system, realizing I didn't have good reasons (similar to Matt) and found my way out. Religion that you are indoctrinated into from a young age can be a major blind spot in one's rational thinking, unlike other less-firmly held beliefs. Adults don't still believe in Santa Claus, but if most aspects of life and culture revolved around Santa being real, many adults would ignore the dearth of evidence for Santa (and evidence for Santa being not real) and still believe in him.
With people like this, their brains have been physically altered to not have reasoning power like us.. A growing up/ lifetime of believing & trusting to "faith" arguments have strengthened their "always follow faith blindly" neurons, so literally weakened their neuronal pathways for reasoning ability.. So they no longer have the same reasoning ability as us, & can't get it back without huge efforts of relearning & regrowth of those neurons .. 😁☮️🌏
And those people cling to the bible & god cos they are scared of life so have a desperate need for a parent figure ( like a child needs ), that will take responsibility for themselves & the earth, saving them from having to be real grown-up adults.. ( Even the Bible says it is "milk for babes & meat for men" ) As kids it tells us a powerful leader is in control so we are safe, but we grow up.. Then we put away childish stories & face the reality we are now adults & are ready for the knowledge we are responsible for ourselves & our kids now.. 😁☮️🌏
Exactly. I find it so crazy that Athiests have to know about, history, Bible scholarship, evolution, cosmology, philosophy, etc and theist ask us to answer why everything. They just need to appeal to magic.
@@cajohnson130theists expect non believer's to be able to explain quantum mechanics and abiogenesis when they can't even explain why slavery is a bad thing
She is not a troll. She sounds like the African Vrsion of my southern American step mother when I was growing up. She was a hardcore believer andcould quote all the more popular verses in the Bible, but couldn't give any sound argument for her beliefs. It was just how she was raised. Never questioned her beliefs.
Definitely a language barrier with this caller. When Jimmy asked "What is the colour of COLD" her reply was "Black" because she heard "What is the colour of COAL"
The question that she should have been asked is this: Before Christianity was brought (forced) upon your people, what deity/deities did your ancestors believe in, and why don't you believe in THOSE?
@@BushidoBrownSama I agree, the answer would have been as bad (or worse than) her arguments for her belief. Nevertheless, it would have been rather amusing to listen to her try and answer.
“It is now well-established that all known gods came into existence a good three millionths of a second after the Universe began rather than, as they usually claimed, the previous week” Hitchhikers guide.
This lady is Haitian. She probably has never been asked any of these types of questions or considered any of these concepts in her entire life. Africans and the black people in the Carribean are extremely indoctrinated. In my opinion, their mental slavery is a product and result of imperial colonoalism. Believe it or not, this lady deserves alot of credit for even calling this show and entertaining a discussion with Atheist, considering her upbringing and background.
I'd like to think you're right about her deserving credit but I fear she called so she should indoctrinate them, that she wasn't genuinely entertaining a discussion of any kind...but she may very well be on her way to that, I hope so!
@@Nocturnalux You are probably right. Keep in mind, unlike in the West, where atheists are associated with being well -versed in the Bible, science, skepticism , logic and evidence. In the Carribean, people are taught that atheists are either crazy or agents of Lucifer / Satan , literally. She and others like her can probably relate to the notion of different religions but, the thought of life without a God -especially the Biblical God/ Jesus - is unimaginable to most! Honestly, it's not their fault. A very limited amount of the population has been exposed to or even heard of the Big Bang or the Theory of Evolution. Faith is also considered one of the highest virtues in life. Christians like her are innocent victims of indoctrination and deserve patience and empathy. The educated apologist or believer who knows , understands and chooses to ignores any evidence or scholarly consensus that contradicts the Bible in order to maintain their beliefs are the irrational ones, not the people who don't have access to the vast amount of information we are so fortunate to have at our disposal. Like Matt says " We don't choose or decide what we believe, our beliefs are a result of the information we've received and the experiences we've had."
Sadly I doubt this woman is a troll. She possibly comes from a place where religious ideals are probably heavily ingrained into the people and never put into question which is why she can't understand that the Bible is the claim not the proof. She probably heard about this show and thought that her arguments from early day Atheist Experience calls was sufficient enough of an argument for this call because arguments that oppose her religion is a foreign concept for her. It really is sad that there are people like this in the world.
This is basically ALL of the live TIK Tok Streams, every time I watch. It was really sad to experience uneducated, brainwashed people try to argue like this.
“You have to believe the Bible to believe the Bible”…😂😂😂 I spit out my water when he said that. Matt’s reaction of “congratulations” was priceless. 😆😆😆
Sadly, Ettuca is not a troll. I maybe wrong but judging by her accent, she's either of Caribbean or African descent, i've had many conversations with Christians within that ethnic group and they have pretty much the same reasons and convictions with their faith. It comes off as "trolling" as this is the type of argument from people who have lived in a religious bubble completely insulated from other dissenting opinions. Thus you get this very incredulous type of argument that is almost a caricature of a Christian.
I live in Mass, there is a large Haitian population(3rd highest in US) and my old neighborhood in Boston has become predominately Haitian and my mom still lives there. Interestingly enough, there are many evangelical Haitian churches in the community as many have popped up over the years and Catholic church attendance has increased as well in the neighborhood after years of declining. My mom has two Haitian neighbors who are great but never let religion come up in the conversation. I explained to one of the neighbors that we were Syrian/Lebanese, she kind of went quiet as she assumed we were Muslim haha. However, as soon as she learned our background was Orthodox Christian she said "You're Christian, Praise Jesus!" I then eventually explained I did not practice any religion, the convo went sideways. She's not a troll IMO just in a community that the "Bible is True" is a large part of their community/culture/identity and unfortunately like in this case very vocal about it.
I love her too, she watches out for my mom, but it's just funny that I'm 55 and she's probably the same age and scolds me for only coming over once a week and not going to church like a mom or aunt would haha. I like that she says maman too, very endearing@@BushidoBrownSama
Ah yes, the one true god, Übolgôrrox the Emerald Slaughterer. Destroyer of the Trinacriform Nightmares of the Ghooric Realm. Glad me and Ettuca can agree on that!
@@danielessex2162 Welcome brother! Let me share some ontologically questionable arguments in order to "epically win" against those who'll doubt Übolgôrrox's might.
People who believe THIS HARD in their bible or god or whatever always come off like they've completely wasted their life in worship and now, if they acknowledge that they wasted their life worshipping a nothing of a "god" and following a fiction they call "the bible", then they have to face the fact that they've accomplished nothing in life. So, they dig their heels in and insist harder and harder that their god/bible is the way for every other young person after them to waste all their lives rather than admit that they lived their life wrong, and caution others not to make the mistakes they did. If they catch a contagious terminal disease you can guarantee they'll find someone to pass the disease onto rather than isolate, just as they're trying to pass their miserable christianity onto anyone in earshot.
Glad I didn't waste my time worshipping a god that didn't answer any of my heartfelt prayers as a child. I spent that time learning new skills and honing them.
\one thing to ponder about is Near Death Experiences of theists. Most claim to have seen Jesus. Makes me wonder if death is just another constructs like a dream. Others people of other religions have different experiences. I take it to belief that we create our own reality and will things to be 'real' in the other world. Just like the wild imagination of kids. Here on earth things are less fluid.
@@ChrisEnglishTimeJapanwe know it because of all thr humans that have existed. Not one have ever proven their religion to hold true regardless of which religion they have. Sorry but deranged fantasies does not deserve to be respected and accepted. Belief in things that aren't real had a medical term. But call your imaginary things a God and suddenly it commands respect? Why? If you demand your religion to be respected then prove it's true.
@@ChrisEnglishTimeJapan Thats great. If it wasnt for the fact that these people are trying to force that belief into places like education and law. A persons faith in things that arent real is a medical condition. People do get treated for this kind of thing at mental institutions.
She is clearly serious and not a troll. She is just an example of an average religious person who has never had a serious religious conversation with a non believer. I have literally had this same discussion with others like her. I would wager dollars to donuts she has never even listened to, or read, or watched anything to do with apologetics, which is why she never used even the most basic arguments like the watchmaker, or Pascal’s wager. Most people don’t go past, “I believe,” and when you question these people this is what you get. I really think calling her a troll, which she probably doesn’t even understand the term, is not helpful here. I love this version of Matt when the caller clearly has an argument (even if it is bad) to present. In this case it comes off as condescending and rude because I find it hard to believe Matt couldn’t recognize she is a neophyte when it comes to religious debate. I hope Matt can reflect on this because I would like to believe it is the people who have never questioned, or done any research, that these shows can truly help. You have to go slower and walk these people through and be patient. Lead them to realize they don’t use this type of reasoning for anything else in life. I personally think this could have been a much better discourse, as I do not think she was being disrespectful in any way. She just didn’t understand and y’all didn’t try to help her understand.
Just for fun, whenever I stay in a hotel room, I find the Gideon Bible, I go to Genesis 1, and I cross out “In the beginning” and write “Once upon a time.” It seems more appropriate.
Thats excellent. I 'sadly'..lol, don't see many of these anymore as I'd now like to try that. But next time I do come across one, that is SO happening. Lol.
The sad thing is, I know people like this, they have been so sheltered in their lives that they can’t comprehend the Bible being wrong g about anything, and when you easily demonstrate that it is, they scoff as a knee jerk reaction, because they don’t know how to defend themselves…
There is a bit of a language problem. When Jimmy asked what colour is cold, I heard what colour is coal. Ettuca answered black, which Jimmy called wrong. It could easily have sounded like, what colour is gold?
As humans we have an innate desire ‘to know’ These are questions such as: Why are we here? What happens after we die? Etc. These questions are an important part of our cognitive development as it forces us to search the world around us to come to the best possible conclusion. What religion does is offer a false placeholder for these questions, eliminating a persons ability to develop deeper parts of their critical thinking. Imagine the earliest humans sitting by a campfire and seeing a meteor shower. They must have been so terrified and shocked at what it was they were seeing. How could they even begin to explain what they are witnessing? Most of the earliest people who saw a meteor shower died before they got an answer. The ones who survived became elders in their village and recounted the story to the youth and used the context of their superstition to give meaning to an event they didn’t understand. Nature is unapologetic with giving answers. Our innate desire as humans to know is what allows us to understand the world around us. Religion eliminates its followers this critical ability and therefore is harmful on the deepest level possible.
Jesus is being used. He was a person, did no miracles. They made him into a god. Everything written about is false. He was a moral person, pretty sure he condemned slavery but was removed from the books.
@@Itsuser_1234What's hilarious is that you're making up bullshit just like the theists do. Jesus isn't a proven fact, in fact there is no evidence outside of the bible that he exists at all. Even you saying "He was a person." adopts a burden of proof you could never provide evidence to settle.
Yeah unfortunately there are a ton of people like here. She reminds me of my mother when it comes to arguing this type of stuff. Lack of education besides the bible.
My favorite detail is when people say they believe in the one true god. As if this means anything. Every single theist from every religion believes their god is the one true god.
That’s sad AF. I’m indigenous, I know that accent. An indigenous person believing in the morals and laws of Christianity is like a Jew believing in the morals and laws of (rhymes with Smhazis).
Indigenous to where? i'm a Haitian American from MA & I'm about 100% sure Ettuca is as well but givin her accent she probably grew up in Haiti or a nearby island popular with our Diaspora like Martinique or the french side of St. Martin
She sounds Nigerian. It's why I don't do business with them anymore. Absolutely hard headed and for no reason. You were never going to win this one. Good idea to end it and keep moving.
I feel sorry for Ettuca. She's so desperate to believe, and so desperate to ignore the fact that she believes just because 'a book says so'. She has nothing but her indocrination to support her beliefs, and she's scared to let it go. She never in her life heard the bible is a lie? That's just how deep into the hole she is.
Some of these callers are exhausting to listen to, but for these people to regularly sit down with all of them, props to the hosts. Keep up the great content yall.
"the bible says so and i believe it" is tantamount to "in the lord of the rings saga it is said that dark lord sauron rules the land of mordor and i know it is true because the book says so".
You want to know about Jesus? How would you like it if someone came up to you and said, “I love you, I really, really love you, but if you don’t love me back, I’m going to set you on fire. That’s Jesus. That’s not salvation, that’s extortion. And it’s definitely not love. It’s like a Mafia thug telling you to obey the boss or I’m going to break your kneecaps. If you can love that person, you have a twisted idea of love.
Ettuca sounds Haitian to me "let me tell you something" lol, being a Haitian American from MA myself i can tell you my people can be very obnoxious around religion, i got a dude i knew in Elementary & Highschool (also Haitian American) sending me prayer shit out of no where twice today
@@Rubberbandfan1 What is, my comment or that there's any truth in his position?. As Matt often says, it doesn't matter how many people believe in something, how long they've believed it, how sincerely they believe it or how it has impacted their lives,...it doesn't make it true!
@@Rubberbandfan1 Agreed, but my point is that having lived in Africa, this is such a common response by west Africans in particular, I repeat, dyed in the wool, mainly Anglican views, and who exported religion there,....why us Brits...
_"Two hands clap and there is a sound. What is the sound of one hand clapping?"_ I came up with three valid answers to that koan before realizing the point is that not all questions deserve an answer because they are broken.
Im just about to watch this clip and by reading the comments it reminds me of a Christian i used to speak to about her beliefs, i recommended a clip of the historicity of jesus to her to watch, i asked her questions about it and she was unable to answer anything, she recommended a podcast an hour long which i took the time to listen to. It was about God breathing Life into the world, obviously absolutely useless to me, she highly likely didn't watch the clip as she didn't want to see,hear anything that would doubt the historicity of Jesus, she is in complete denial and her fantasy is all she can cope with. Its so sad
The proof of burden always belongs to the person bringing the claim. Exp: Person A: Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. Person B: Can you prove it with evidence that can be replicated or are we talking about Dragon Ball Z?
I feel this so much in my me xD "Give me evidence. - I can't. So I'll ignore it and move onto regurgitating something else." And when I put forth irrefutable fact. It's "I can't disprove that. So I'll run away crying. Then claim I won." I can back up my things, they can't. Yet, it's all echo chambers and standardized norms.
She wasn't stupid and not a troll. She's never thought to question the bible I think. She deserves respect and patience. This wasn't the best atheist call in show for her.
What evidence do you have that she isn't stupid? She certainly is very gullible. And when she said "you should spread the word" to the host of a call-in show that apparently succeeded in reaching her, that wasn't indoctrination; that was, if not stupid, a remark that she didn't think through.
@@landsgevaerWell, we have no evidence of her actual education or how she solves other non religious problems. Unless you live with her or around her, you wouldn't know. What I can take from this call is that she's a highly religious auntie who's probably been going to church since she was a child. That sort of indoctrination takes a while to unravel. Matt and Jimmy probably have never interacted with Caribbean aunties at all, so they were quick to jump to "troll". Hopefully she calls back but to different hosts (more than likely Mandisa could be able to understand where Ettuca (sp?) is coming from).
The absolute arrogant entitlement to believe someone "deserves" to have their hand held through basic logic 101 by a stranger when she can't even be bothered to do the basic research to back up her bald assertions.
I feel like Matt's stupidity to trolling threshold is slightly off these days. Sometimes we see people really struggling with very simple concepts and he assumes they are a troll. Maybe he's right, he certainly jas the experience to back him up, but I've met my share of people like this to not assume malevolence in what can be credited to ignorance or stupidity.
Mark Twain even said, "Never attribute to malice what is more easily attributed to stupidity." I've known people who talk just like her, and it's always a combination of ignorance and stupidity.
I'm guessing 20 years of doing this has built up a bit of a confirmation bias within him. Apart from that, this call could've been BRILLIANT if it landed with a host that used kiddie gloves, like Forrest or Erika.
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this is actually really sad, this is how religion breaks people's brains
It’s like they can’t see it’s a method of control or sumething
The level of ignorance of this idiot believer is painful to listen to.
She absolutely wasn't a troll. That was the first time in her life she even remotely considered all those life-altering points.
Don't kid yourself, she didn't consider the points for a second
Titantron is correct. She is Haitian and has never heard or considered any of these concepts. Mental slavery is real.
They strike me as someone who lives in a very insular community. Jehovah's Witnesses are a bit like this. Mormons too. Absolute "there is literally no other way to think, you must be insane to disagree" thinking. This is what from-birth brainwashing will do to a person.
@@RussianPrimeMinister You this in Muslims a lot as well. Apologists, who are supposed to be at least conversant with debate regarding god, react with baffled confusion whenever they encounter someone who disagrees. It's as if they had never encountered them. These days, they must have had, but it is still really strange to see the way they cannot possibly handle it.
I am sure it's because the religion is more insular than Christianity- not that we do not see many terrible Christians who cannot represent their religion to save their life- and that they reached adulthood with not enough pushback to articulate themselves properly.
I agree. The caller just sounds like a person who has never had her beliefs challenged.
It is a simple question. Prove what you believe is true. They cannot and never will.
When part of your brain is stuck at a 4-year old's development level. Theism-brainrot is tragic.
Her accent sounds Haitian Creole to me. That bums me out if I'm right. Christianity was the primary excuse for the atrocities committed against her people through slavery and beyond. As a black, lifelong Atheist, I will always be incredibly saddened by black people fervently defending any religion, but especially Abrahamic religions. Our bodies are free (arguably), but our minds are still enslaved. It's so damn sad...
All facts, the minds of Haitians from the island are still colonized & I'm saying that as 2nd generation Haitian American
You are right.She was.Whenever I hear someone like her call on the show,I already know with 100% certainty the idiocy I'm about to hear.
Yeah, that’s why I jump to slavery in the Bible when arguing with theists: it’s the same chattel slavery as was in practice in America.
If someone calls it “different”, I just block them for the sake of my own mental health.
@@shardinhand1243 Yes. But only certain of us descend from race-based chattel slaves whose captivity is excused by the religion of which most of the descendants of those slaves are vociferous followers.
I watched a video two days ago on a guy who made it out of the top floor of the 2nd tower on 9/11, and when he got back home to Chicago, went to church. After nearly losing his life to religion, he thought the perfect thing to end the day would be to add more slightly different same religion that nearly ended him.
"because the bible told me so!" -incredible reasoning
🎵Jesus loves me this I know, because I have empiracal evidence that I am his favorite child. 🎶
@@TheModdedwarfare3 you do? Do you mind showing everyone?
Hard to argue really. 😂
It’s called Faith.
Jeezus loathes me
this I know
Hollow Babble
tells me so..
Every prophecy in the Bible came true? So Egypt is a wasteland where no one lives? And the city of Tyre was permanently destroyed?
Oh, wait, I can visit both places today, and they’re fine.
Huh.
Not to mention a certain river drying up was NOT preceded by any angels pouring any liquid from any chalice.
Luke 9:27 'I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.'
The last 2000 years show that to be false prophesy and
Deuteronomy 18:22 'when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.'
So this dude Jesus does not speak the word of the Lord and we need not fear his teaching, huh, so much for Christianity and all that inanity. SMH
@@phrozenwunChristianity DESTROYED by facts and logic. -Evil Ben Sharpee
Those are just the prophecies still in progress. They are true from God's perspective. - probably what a theist would say
@@apinkandblueshark The prophecies are false ... or God doesn't know how properly communicate. Yes, theists choose the latter.
Oh, thay was a real call... I've spoken with people like this. It is sad. Makes my logic center hurt!
If you peel it back, the true reasons start to melt out: they were born into a religious family, fear of death and/or what happens after death, or they don't want to lose their only community/social circle.
It's just clinging to false hope at this point.
Quran says: “Allah:there is no deity worthy of worship except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.”
Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient perfection.
@@bluesky45299 Oh really? Can you show me Allah's neural network then, friend? Without those neurons, without visual receptors (rods and cones), auditory receptors (ear canal, bones, the drum), nasal receptors (nose hairs), mouth receptors (tastebuds, teeth) you get no reception of stimuli that turns into information.
So how is Allah, who seems to be invisible, gathering information of stimuli with no sense receptors and no brain?
Maybe this is wishful thinking on your part, but, unless you have evidence that you can have a brain without the neural network, these are just desperate claims.
@@bluesky45299lol, the quran says… did you listen to the video? Nobody cares what the quran says, it’s full of lies. The same as the bible.
@@bluesky45299do you realize many different animals possess consciousness?
I feel sorry for Ettuca. I get the feeling she has never stopped to look outside her bubble before. Telling Matt if he believes that the Bible is a lie, he should be telling people that suggests she has never encountered any kind of atheism before; this was a genuinely new concept to her
That's usually the case. Whenever I hear Christians say "Oh I've talked to many atheists before..." I usually roll my eyes and call BS on that assertion. They're usually shocked and surprised that their built in narrative fails the moment they actually talk to a real atheist.
The entirety of her intellectual capability is located in a thin layer of dandruff on the scalp ;) If it was a D&D game she would be playing a troll character with intelligence 3.
@pavel9652 😄 This is extremely common among "those people".
🤚🏾…Caribbean Kid here….Multiply this attitude by an entire household, ,Schoolteachers , Village, Town ,the Authorities , the Govt, Country and ultimately The Caribbean ….I am lucky sometimes I dont get stones thrown at me for my Views. I would have hit my knees to the floor and swear that there is a God if they actually got thru to her.
I’m from the U.K. and my mate is Jamaican decent and does orders of services for the communities here - one lady started banging on about god and was astounded that I was an ashiest - it was like I had 4 heads and she was confused as I was the first ashiest she’d ever met .. and I had just helped her church by designing a book for her .. she and lots of the community are really indoctrinated - no nothing about reality outside of the bible as they had never gone outside the bubble. I asked her some questions but got this type of response. No getting through to someone who is so entrenched - no explaining evolution, no explained slavery in the bible, no pointing out that no one knows who wrote the gospels ( she was adamant it was the apostles 🤷🏻) .. everything was in gods hands - bad things happen - Devil or the lords will … asked her how she knew which one was attributed to each ‘thing’??
I am Haitian and again I couldn't agree with you more.
@@frantzcelestin9322its all she took not to hit them with the unified Caribbean parent response…..”Boy stop asking me dat stupidness!!!”.😂😂😂
@@andeytubeyshamonYo the only reality outside of believing the bible is that Atheists are devil worshippers who kill ,pillage and run rampant doing dumb stuff. ThWhen faced with the person who they knew all their life and it flies in the face of their stereotyped interpretation of an Atheist , I get …”Oh he’s just joking, he’s not really an Atheist”….🤦🏾♂️
I feel so sorry for you and all of Caribbeans!
Absolutely not a troll. She is a perfect example of most theists.
I think she's a good example of how little people think about things. My in laws are like this. Whatever they were taught, they accept it carte blanche. It blows me away because my brain works totally differently. I'm always full of curiosity and questions. But when I ask them things about their own religion- greek orthodox- they have no idea and they've NEVER wondered themselves! For example, one time I said to my sister in law: you guys are like catholics in that you believe in the holy trinity. And she attempted to tell me: no we don't. She was wrong... and she had never known it to begin with and she had never known about lots of other things because she never bothered to think about it. That is just so weird to me. But I guess that's how indoctrination works.
Most people are sheeple. They dont think, they obey/follow authority. As you witnessed there is an astounding ignorance amongst the believers. Most of them dont bother to read their holy book. Funny how some atheists are more knowledgeable about scripture then the average theist. What also bothers me is that theist skip from on religion to another and now claim to have found the REAL god. Uhmm, didnt he belief his previous god was real? What happened to all the proof you had and conversations you had with that god? Was it all make belief after all and how could you proof it? So you are telling me that all believers of your previous faith are all followers of a fake religion?
They dont ask these important questions. None of them can demand their god to do a miracle... none! But they are convinced he exists. Funny how that works. 80% of the population are simpletons.
Yep, indoctrination in religion is like living in Orwell's 1984.
I was raised as an Orthodox Christian. My father is a priest. I was always curious and asked many questions about all subjects, beliefs, etc., EXCEPT for my theist beliefs.
Luckily, I began the process of analyzing my "faith" and religious belief system, realizing I didn't have good reasons (similar to Matt) and found my way out.
Religion that you are indoctrinated into from a young age can be a major blind spot in one's rational thinking, unlike other less-firmly held beliefs. Adults don't still believe in Santa Claus, but if most aspects of life and culture revolved around Santa being real, many adults would ignore the dearth of evidence for Santa (and evidence for Santa being not real) and still believe in him.
Little people??
@@Olyfrun"...how little people...
Hope that helps.
I love these really ignorant callers. It's unbelievable how a person can not critically think on their own in dark places.
there are many as embarrassing as her in this world
My aunt used to say if ignorance is bliss, it's no wonder religion offers you paradise
With people like this, their brains have been physically altered to not have reasoning power like us..
A growing up/ lifetime of believing & trusting to "faith" arguments have strengthened their "always follow faith blindly" neurons, so literally weakened their neuronal pathways for reasoning ability..
So they no longer have the same reasoning ability as us, & can't get it back without huge efforts of relearning & regrowth of those neurons ..
😁☮️🌏
And those people cling to the bible & god cos they are scared of life so have a desperate need for a parent figure ( like a child needs ), that will take responsibility for themselves & the earth, saving them from having to be real grown-up adults..
( Even the Bible says it is "milk for babes & meat for men" )
As kids it tells us a powerful leader is in control so we are safe, but we grow up..
Then we put away childish stories & face the reality we are now adults & are ready for the knowledge we are responsible for ourselves & our kids now..
😁☮️🌏
Quick, explain everything ever. Oh, you didn't? Okay yeah, magic fart pixies makes more sense
Exactly. I find it so crazy that Athiests have to know about, history, Bible scholarship, evolution, cosmology, philosophy, etc and theist ask us to answer why everything. They just need to appeal to magic.
Magic that you knew that. Magic proven. Magic win. 🎩
Magic The gathering has summoned angels.....checkmate atheists.
@@cajohnson130theists expect non believer's to be able to explain quantum mechanics and abiogenesis when they can't even explain why slavery is a bad thing
Magic fart pixies? That sounds like it could be a song by Mr. Bungle.
I think Etuca won this argument. You can tell because she was louder and talked more. That’s what winning an argument means, right?
Honestly, that's how you win the Republican Primary.
There isn't even a joke here.
@@BaronVonQuiplythis is really sad but ooh so true
She is not a troll. She sounds like the African Vrsion of my southern American step mother when I was growing up.
She was a hardcore believer andcould quote all the more popular verses in the Bible, but couldn't give any sound argument for her beliefs. It was just how she was raised. Never questioned her beliefs.
Definitely a language barrier with this caller. When Jimmy asked "What is the colour of COLD" her reply was "Black" because she heard "What is the colour of COAL"
Makes sense 😳
I heard Coal too!
no bud lol
@@mtbee9641same ngl
it was conversations with people like her that led to my skepticism at an early age.
The question that she should have been asked is this: Before Christianity was brought (forced) upon your people, what deity/deities did your ancestors believe in, and why don't you believe in THOSE?
That is a good question but "let me tell you something" (lol) that question would not have resulted in a good answer
@@BushidoBrownSama I agree, the answer would have been as bad (or worse than) her arguments for her belief. Nevertheless, it would have been rather amusing to listen to her try and answer.
“It is now well-established that all known gods came into existence a good three millionths of a second after the Universe began rather than, as they usually claimed, the previous week” Hitchhikers guide.
This lady is Haitian. She probably has never been asked any of these types of questions or considered any of these concepts in her entire life. Africans and the black people in the Carribean are extremely indoctrinated. In my opinion, their mental slavery is a product and result of imperial colonoalism.
Believe it or not, this lady deserves alot of credit for even calling this show and entertaining a discussion with Atheist, considering her upbringing and background.
I'd like to think you're right about her deserving credit but I fear she called so she should indoctrinate them, that she wasn't genuinely entertaining a discussion of any kind...but she may very well be on her way to that, I hope so!
@@Nocturnalux
You are probably right. Keep in mind, unlike in the West, where atheists are associated with being well -versed in the Bible, science, skepticism , logic and evidence. In the Carribean, people are taught that atheists are either crazy or agents of Lucifer / Satan , literally. She and others like her can probably relate to the notion of different religions but, the thought of life without a God -especially the Biblical God/ Jesus - is unimaginable to most! Honestly, it's not their fault. A very limited amount of the population has been exposed to or even heard of the Big Bang or the Theory of Evolution. Faith is also considered one of the highest virtues in life.
Christians like her are innocent victims of indoctrination and deserve patience and empathy. The educated apologist or believer who knows , understands and chooses to ignores any evidence or scholarly consensus that contradicts the Bible in order to maintain their beliefs are the irrational ones, not the people who don't have access to the vast amount of information we are so fortunate to have at our disposal.
Like Matt says " We don't choose or decide what we believe, our beliefs are a result of the information we've received and the experiences we've had."
It's just like the usage of Christianity on slaves in the South.
ALL religious people have been highly "indoctrinated "
@@Nocturnalux
But she said it's the first time she heard someone say the Bible is a lie. So it's not gonna be a smooth ride at first.
Sadly I doubt this woman is a troll. She possibly comes from a place where religious ideals are probably heavily ingrained into the people and never put into question which is why she can't understand that the Bible is the claim not the proof. She probably heard about this show and thought that her arguments from early day Atheist Experience calls was sufficient enough of an argument for this call because arguments that oppose her religion is a foreign concept for her. It really is sad that there are people like this in the world.
I couldn't agree with you more.
This is basically ALL of the live TIK Tok Streams, every time I watch. It was really sad to experience uneducated, brainwashed people try to argue like this.
And they deny their own family members freedom from religion
The fact that it happens makes it more important to speak against such religions
She really sounds like she is african so yeah its pretty hard to have your views challenged there
In court and with legal training, I learned that the question WHY is often the wrong question.
Often, the proper question is HOW.
Apparently, most people don't know the difference.
Well done.
@@reasonablespeculation3893 Theists don't know the difference between who and how, that's for sure.
“You have to believe the Bible to believe the Bible”…😂😂😂
I spit out my water when he said that. Matt’s reaction of “congratulations” was priceless. 😆😆😆
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Sadly, Ettuca is not a troll. I maybe wrong but judging by her accent, she's either of Caribbean or African descent, i've had many conversations with Christians within that ethnic group and they have pretty much the same reasons and convictions with their faith. It comes off as "trolling" as this is the type of argument from people who have lived in a religious bubble completely insulated from other dissenting opinions. Thus you get this very incredulous type of argument that is almost a caricature of a Christian.
Sweet innocent little Ettuca… she reminds me of my grandmother, who doesn’t know how to ask important questions
Same
I live in Mass, there is a large Haitian population(3rd highest in US) and my old neighborhood in Boston has become predominately Haitian and my mom still lives there. Interestingly enough, there are many evangelical Haitian churches in the community as many have popped up over the years and Catholic church attendance has increased as well in the neighborhood after years of declining. My mom has two Haitian neighbors who are great but never let religion come up in the conversation. I explained to one of the neighbors that we were Syrian/Lebanese, she kind of went quiet as she assumed we were Muslim haha. However, as soon as she learned our background was Orthodox Christian she said "You're Christian, Praise Jesus!" I then eventually explained I did not practice any religion, the convo went sideways. She's not a troll IMO just in a community that the "Bible is True" is a large part of their community/culture/identity and unfortunately like in this case very vocal about it.
As a Haitian American from the Boston you are 100% right😅
I love her too, she watches out for my mom, but it's just funny that I'm 55 and she's probably the same age and scolds me for only coming over once a week and not going to church like a mom or aunt would haha. I like that she says maman too, very endearing@@BushidoBrownSama
My first girlfriend was a virgin, because she told me so and virgins don't lie!
Oh but you see, two angels usually show up to hand you certificate of authenticity.
The answer is so simple: I don't know. And neither does she.
On behalf of New England, I would like to apologize for that horrendous call. We're... getting there... 🤦♀️
You men are such a breath of fresh air. Thank you for the work you do.
I think she thought you said " coal" rather than " cold".
Ah yes, the one true god, Übolgôrrox the Emerald Slaughterer. Destroyer of the Trinacriform Nightmares of the Ghooric Realm.
Glad me and Ettuca can agree on that!
Yo, I think I fought that god in Bloodborne!
Shit I just found a new religion.
@@danielessex2162 Welcome brother! Let me share some ontologically questionable arguments in order to "epically win" against those who'll doubt Übolgôrrox's might.
Now I kinda wanna know more 😂 That's Bloodborne lore then?
Skyrim religion is only religion I’ll follow
The extreme religiosity of black Americans never fails to leave me speechless...
She sounds African or Haitian
I don't believe that Jimmy is really a Pokémon Master.
Atheists, always making claims with no evidence
Prove it. With evidence. 😉
People who believe THIS HARD in their bible or god or whatever always come off like they've completely wasted their life in worship and now, if they acknowledge that they wasted their life worshipping a nothing of a "god" and following a fiction they call "the bible", then they have to face the fact that they've accomplished nothing in life. So, they dig their heels in and insist harder and harder that their god/bible is the way for every other young person after them to waste all their lives rather than admit that they lived their life wrong, and caution others not to make the mistakes they did.
If they catch a contagious terminal disease you can guarantee they'll find someone to pass the disease onto rather than isolate, just as they're trying to pass their miserable christianity onto anyone in earshot.
Glad I didn't waste my time worshipping a god that didn't answer any of my heartfelt prayers as a child. I spent that time learning new skills and honing them.
\one thing to ponder about is Near Death Experiences of theists. Most claim to have seen Jesus. Makes me wonder if death is just another constructs like a dream. Others people of other religions have different experiences. I take it to belief that we create our own reality and will things to be 'real' in the other world. Just like the wild imagination of kids. Here on earth things are less fluid.
@@ChrisEnglishTimeJapanwe know it because of all thr humans that have existed. Not one have ever proven their religion to hold true regardless of which religion they have.
Sorry but deranged fantasies does not deserve to be respected and accepted.
Belief in things that aren't real had a medical term. But call your imaginary things a God and suddenly it commands respect? Why? If you demand your religion to be respected then prove it's true.
@@ChrisEnglishTimeJapan Thats great. If it wasnt for the fact that these people are trying to force that belief into places like education and law. A persons faith in things that arent real is a medical condition. People do get treated for this kind of thing at mental institutions.
@@ChrisEnglishTimeJapan Ill have to watch that. THanks
good luck to everyone who has to celebrate holidays with religious family members who won't leave it alone at family gatherings.
Lol oh nooo, who got their auntie to call into this show?😂
She is clearly serious and not a troll. She is just an example of an average religious person who has never had a serious religious conversation with a non believer. I have literally had this same discussion with others like her. I would wager dollars to donuts she has never even listened to, or read, or watched anything to do with apologetics, which is why she never used even the most basic arguments like the watchmaker, or Pascal’s wager. Most people don’t go past, “I believe,” and when you question these people this is what you get. I really think calling her a troll, which she probably doesn’t even understand the term, is not helpful here.
I love this version of Matt when the caller clearly has an argument (even if it is bad) to present. In this case it comes off as condescending and rude because I find it hard to believe Matt couldn’t recognize she is a neophyte when it comes to religious debate.
I hope Matt can reflect on this because I would like to believe it is the people who have never questioned, or done any research, that these shows can truly help. You have to go slower and walk these people through and be patient. Lead them to realize they don’t use this type of reasoning for anything else in life.
I personally think this could have been a much better discourse, as I do not think she was being disrespectful in any way. She just didn’t understand and y’all didn’t try to help her understand.
Just for fun, whenever I stay in a hotel room, I find the Gideon Bible, I go to Genesis 1, and I cross out “In the beginning” and write “Once upon a time.” It seems more appropriate.
Thats excellent.
I 'sadly'..lol, don't see many of these anymore as I'd now like to try that.
But next time I do come across one, that is SO happening. Lol.
I do something similar, i write into bibles: you love fictional stories? Try Lord of the Rings!
@@pub652 My 4 favorite examples of fantasy fiction:
1. The Lord of the Rings.
2. Harry Potter.
3. The Chronicles of Narnia.
4. The Bible .
The sad thing is, I know people like this, they have been so sheltered in their lives that they can’t comprehend the Bible being wrong g about anything, and when you easily demonstrate that it is, they scoff as a knee jerk reaction, because they don’t know how to defend themselves…
There is a bit of a language problem.
When Jimmy asked what colour is cold, I heard what colour is coal. Ettuca answered black, which Jimmy called wrong.
It could easily have sounded like, what colour is gold?
As humans we have an innate desire ‘to know’
These are questions such as:
Why are we here?
What happens after we die?
Etc.
These questions are an important part of our cognitive development as it forces us to search the world around us to come to the best possible conclusion.
What religion does is offer a false placeholder for these questions, eliminating a persons ability to develop deeper parts of their critical thinking.
Imagine the earliest humans sitting by a campfire and seeing a meteor shower.
They must have been so terrified and shocked at what it was they were seeing.
How could they even begin to explain what they are witnessing?
Most of the earliest people who saw a meteor shower died before they got an answer. The ones who survived became elders in their village and recounted the story to the youth and used the context of their superstition to give meaning to an event they didn’t understand.
Nature is unapologetic with giving answers. Our innate desire as humans to know is what allows us to understand the world around us.
Religion eliminates its followers this critical ability and therefore is harmful on the deepest level possible.
*God as an explanation for anything = **_An appeal to a bigger mystery_** .*
According to Spiderman #52, Kingpin had Spiderman and J. Jonah Jameson in a water trap- so I guess Spiderman exists.
I don't think there was a language barrier but more a logic barrier!
She's not a troll. She honestly and BLINDLY believes her circular nonsense. Millions do. They are brainwashed, hands down.
Jesus is being used. He was a person, did no miracles. They made him into a god. Everything written about is false. He was a moral person, pretty sure he condemned slavery but was removed from the books.
@@Itsuser_1234What's hilarious is that you're making up bullshit just like the theists do. Jesus isn't a proven fact, in fact there is no evidence outside of the bible that he exists at all. Even you saying "He was a person." adopts a burden of proof you could never provide evidence to settle.
Yeah unfortunately there are a ton of people like here. She reminds me of my mother when it comes to arguing this type of stuff. Lack of education besides the bible.
ignorance is bliss..
The laugh of ignorance. The lack of reasons. The utter blind belief.
The laugh is something I have been calling the Dunning Kruger laugh. It is a symptom of know-it-alls running into cognitive dissonance.
My favorite detail is when people say they believe in the one true god. As if this means anything. Every single theist from every religion believes their god is the one true god.
I gave you a like, because you're mostly correct, but polytheists don't necessarily believe in a "one true god" since they believe in many gods.
That’s sad AF. I’m indigenous, I know that accent. An indigenous person believing in the morals and laws of Christianity is like a Jew believing in the morals and laws of (rhymes with Smhazis).
Indigenous to where? i'm a Haitian American from MA & I'm about 100% sure Ettuca is as well but givin her accent she probably grew up in Haiti or a nearby island popular with our Diaspora like Martinique or the french side of St. Martin
Great clip, thanks for all you do!
So in other words we're 🎵Born to be alive-ah(born to be alive)!🎵
Lol. 😅😅😅I am old enough to remember that song. I never liked it.
I never knew how bad the brainwashing was until I started studying & seeking for myself.
"It's turtles ALL the way down."
She sounds Nigerian. It's why I don't do business with them anymore. Absolutely hard headed and for no reason.
You were never going to win this one. Good idea to end it and keep moving.
She might be Hatian or Jamaican. I'm African and I have a lot of Nigerian friends, the accent is not Nigerian.
@@exaucemayunga22 All the same to me. Regardless, anyone who acts how she does I have no patience for.
@@DarkMikaruX”All the same to me..” -Guy who has no patience with ignorance…Lol….she’s Haitian man.
I feel sorry for Ettuca. She's so desperate to believe, and so desperate to ignore the fact that she believes just because 'a book says so'. She has nothing but her indocrination to support her beliefs, and she's scared to let it go.
She never in her life heard the bible is a lie? That's just how deep into the hole she is.
Some of these callers are exhausting to listen to, but for these people to regularly sit down with all of them, props to the hosts. Keep up the great content yall.
"the bible says so and i believe it" is tantamount to "in the lord of the rings saga it is said that dark lord sauron rules the land of mordor and i know it is true because the book says so".
Because the bible said so........the most worrying answer known to logic.
her head is absolutely exploding
You want to know about Jesus? How would you like it if someone came up to you and said, “I love you, I really, really love you, but if you don’t love me back, I’m going to set you on fire. That’s Jesus. That’s not salvation, that’s extortion. And it’s definitely not love. It’s like a Mafia thug telling you to obey the boss or I’m going to break your kneecaps. If you can love that person, you have a twisted idea of love.
People like Ettuca think that anything god does is moral and good
'what the fuck do you think we're doing here' 😂 that look had me 😂
This makes me want to scam people.
Ettuca sounds Haitian to me "let me tell you something" lol, being a Haitian American from MA myself i can tell you my people can be very obnoxious around religion, i got a dude i knew in Elementary & Highschool (also Haitian American) sending me prayer shit out of no where twice today
*Faith in God & Bible =*
_Faith in the words of men, that "claim to speak for God"._
It's not easy when you have an old way of thinking.😓
I'll bet she also think voodoo is real. 😵💫
Such an African attitude, died in the wool religion, an unshakeable belief in the bible,...through childhood indoctrination.
That's a world attitude.
@@Rubberbandfan1 What is, my comment or that there's any truth in his position?. As Matt often says, it doesn't matter how many people believe in something, how long they've believed it, how sincerely they believe it or how it has impacted their lives,...it doesn't make it true!
@@timothywilliams4089 I meant that a lot of people in the world think just like the caller, it's not particular to Africa.
@@Rubberbandfan1 Agreed, but my point is that having lived in Africa, this is such a common response by west Africans in particular, I repeat, dyed in the wool, mainly Anglican views, and who exported religion there,....why us Brits...
@@timothywilliams4089 Imperialism and the colonialism to expand the empire is a muthafucka!
I really don't think she was a troll, and that makes me so terribly sad
Why would cold be black? Ice and snow are white.
You've never heard of black ice?
She misheard it as "coal."
My instant response was blue, too.
@@winstonjen5360Exactly, I even misheard it as coal.
My nose goes red when it's cold, so does Rudolph the Red nosed reindeer's, therefore red is the colour of cold. Checkmate atheists.
_"Two hands clap and there is a sound. What is the sound of one hand clapping?"_
I came up with three valid answers to that koan before realizing the point is that not all questions deserve an answer because they are broken.
It depends of what kind of surface the hand was clapped on.
Is so sad how low people's intelligence can be that they dismiss facts and reality to believe in some of the dumbest bullshit.
8:14
She immediately goes to the argument from incredulity and argument ad populum.
Theists never have anything more than fallacies and feelings.
Incredulity is my personal favourite
"i dont have to prove anything"
Wow.
Some people really go by a “so-and-so said it, so I believe it” type of philosophy
Her pastor told her so it must be true.
Im just about to watch this clip and by reading the comments it reminds me of a Christian i used to speak to about her beliefs, i recommended a clip of the historicity of jesus to her to watch, i asked her questions about it and she was unable to answer anything, she recommended a podcast an hour long which i took the time to listen to. It was about God breathing Life into the world, obviously absolutely useless to me, she highly likely didn't watch the clip as she didn't want to see,hear anything that would doubt the historicity of Jesus, she is in complete denial and her fantasy is all she can cope with. Its so sad
That was a school example of circulus vitiosus.
I don't believe this was a troll at all. This train of thought is not exactly uncommon amongst theists.
The proof of burden always belongs to the person bringing the claim.
Exp:
Person A: Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Person B: Can you prove it with evidence that can be replicated or are we talking about Dragon Ball Z?
I love just saying things like "oh I saw that in that Superman movie!" Just pointing out how fictional their book is 😂
Burden of proof too
Reminds me of a Carribean woman I talked to once. I asked her proof of God and she said "Babies"
Wow. This discussion is WAY off the rails.
I feel this so much in my me xD
"Give me evidence. - I can't. So I'll ignore it and move onto regurgitating something else."
And when I put forth irrefutable fact. It's "I can't disprove that. So I'll run away crying. Then claim I won."
I can back up my things, they can't. Yet, it's all echo chambers and standardized norms.
She wasn't stupid and not a troll. She's never thought to question the bible I think. She deserves respect and patience. This wasn't the best atheist call in show for her.
What evidence do you have that she isn't stupid? She certainly is very gullible. And when she said "you should spread the word" to the host of a call-in show that apparently succeeded in reaching her, that wasn't indoctrination; that was, if not stupid, a remark that she didn't think through.
Exactly, not a troll at all
@@landsgevaerWell, we have no evidence of her actual education or how she solves other non religious problems. Unless you live with her or around her, you wouldn't know.
What I can take from this call is that she's a highly religious auntie who's probably been going to church since she was a child. That sort of indoctrination takes a while to unravel.
Matt and Jimmy probably have never interacted with Caribbean aunties at all, so they were quick to jump to "troll". Hopefully she calls back but to different hosts (more than likely Mandisa could be able to understand where Ettuca (sp?) is coming from).
The absolute arrogant entitlement to believe someone "deserves" to have their hand held through basic logic 101 by a stranger when she can't even be bothered to do the basic research to back up her bald assertions.
@@Locust13 It's literally invited. Relax your ass, because you don't have the courage to do the same if you were in her place.
Never a better time to be named Hank.
She obviously wasn't prepared, and cognitive dissonance hit hard.
Educa is the perfect relegious beleiver , absolutely perfect.
Baffles my mind that people in the 21st century still believe in this fairytale BS!
She cant let go of FAITH
Of course Who was here before Everything. Who was on First.
That very well may not have been a troll. I've met people who think exactly like that and present their entire argument around "the bible says so"
I will have the mockery as my mains and a side order of ridicule, please.
"What is the colour of cold?"
"Black."
Jimmy, clearly she thought you said "What is the colour of coal?"
I feel like Matt's stupidity to trolling threshold is slightly off these days. Sometimes we see people really struggling with very simple concepts and he assumes they are a troll. Maybe he's right, he certainly jas the experience to back him up, but I've met my share of people like this to not assume malevolence in what can be credited to ignorance or stupidity.
Mark Twain even said, "Never attribute to malice what is more easily attributed to stupidity." I've known people who talk just like her, and it's always a combination of ignorance and stupidity.
I'm guessing 20 years of doing this has built up a bit of a confirmation bias within him. Apart from that, this call could've been BRILLIANT if it landed with a host that used kiddie gloves, like Forrest or Erika.
Wow, Jimmy did a great job brining this jumper off the ledge. Nice work my guy!
She's never heard anyone say that the Bible is a lie? Wow, that is some shelter she's living in.
As Sheldon says, “Yet another child left behind”. She has the voice of an adult, the conviction of an adult, but the mind of a toddler.
This is just sad.
God that was genuinely just sad. Some people have 0 hope, 0 brain cells, 0 IQ.
This is more about indoctrination than intelligence