I remember having a conversation with one of my players about how Captain Jack Sparrow exemplified the Chaotic Neutral alignment. She described the alignment as: might save the world, might steal your car. I amended it to: might steal your car in order to save the world, might save the world in order to steal your car.
Give a Jack a bottle of rum, and he'll be drunk for a day. Give a Jack a magical compass that always points to what he wants most, and he'll potentially be drunk for the rest of his life, unless he trades it for said bottle from earlier
@@geoshark12 I actually thing the 5th one isn't that bad. The issue with the 4th one is they decided to make Jack the main character. And as much as a beloved character he is, as much as he makes a difference to the quality of the movies, he is NOT main character material! Will and, in the later movies Elizabeth, are much better main characters. In movie 4 Jack is main character and that doesn't work. And in movie 5, sadly they don't have access to Will and Elizabeth, but the new characters make for reasonable replacements. They make it work for that last movie.
Jack Sparrow always felt like a selfish prick who's willing to do almost anything in service of himself and himself only. But that he was never out right evil and thus was never willing to do anything that meant killing unnecessarily if he could avoid it. Among doing anything that would be considered to cold hearted and the like. Having just enough of a conscious to do the right thing if it 1 benefitted him and 2 wouldn't weigh down on whatever humanity he has left. Definitely a chaotic neutral character.
@@geoshark12 Which is cool. But I didn't say he wouldn't do legitally good deeds. I just said for the most part he'd only do them if thought it was to immoral otherwise. Jack still did a lot of selfish and messed up things over the years.
He has a strict yet loose set of morals. The few morals he has he sticks to but he’s generally out for himself. He’s smart because he’s not much of a fighter and as consequence he looks for the least bloody solution to a problem not always out of good will but because he doesn’t want to die. Honestly the perfect neutral protagonist
It’s a shame that Jack’s long-running wish to become Immortal through any means necessary was never given a proper send-off. The Aztec Gold could have been a way to it, but he gave that up to beat Barbossa. Becoming captain of the Flying Dutchman was another way to it, but he gave that up to save Will. Searching for the Fountain of Youth was another way but he gave that up because the plot demanded it. The last movie had almost nothing to do with his little quest. Might have been pretty cool to see a time skipped Jack Sparrow where he finally became an immortal pirate instead of the guy everyone jokes about.
i think his image become immortal. Like he is just so iconic that almost everyone know and can easily love his character even without seeing all the PoTC movies. He fails to find the immortality he is looking for, but his tales become immortal to all of those who have met him or heard about him.
@@bleddynwolf8463 Alternately, something about it all being the “pursuit” of the thing rather than actually getting the thing, or becoming so well known (‘socially’ immortal) despite never actually achieving it?
@@longphan7656 While that is super good, as are the other ideas here in this comment chain, the last movie still didn't really 'capstone' it or touch on that subject in any real way. So it basically just kinda dropped his long term arc.
True I think this aspect of Jack gets forgotten I need to finish the books but I know this is where this originated He worked for The East India Trading Company but he refused to ship enslaved people and that's how he got branded as a Pirate
Consider the act which also got him branded a Pirate in the first place - Freeing slaves. He took a lot of personal injury doing an act that purely benefitted many others.... While it might be from a deleted scene, what better way to get branded for a Chaotic Good Pirate?
Chaotic neutral, the terms good and pirate only belong in the same statement if you’re saying someone is skilled (or would be skilled) as a pirate/privateer.
There was an extended scene for when Jack and Elizibeth were marooned together in the first film where he angrily shouts his whole plan to her which was hilariously enough to help everyone get what they wanted minus the bad guys and that her dear sweet stupid boyfriend screwed the whole thing up marvelously. Most of the extended material that describes what the writers wanted to go for with Jack is that he's a way better person than he wants people to believe, including himself. Heck his first action to become a pirate in his original backstory before the clumsy sequels was legit freeing a ton of slaves because he couldn't stomach how they were being treated and didn't want to let them die below decks. Jack in my mind has always been Chaotic Good to Chaotic Neutral with a serious case of imposter syndrome when someone tries to tell him he's a good person.
I'm sure you might mention this later, but just a few minutes in and every time Jack threatens someone with his pistol he isn't going to follow through with it. That bullet is meant for Barbossa and Barbossa alone.
Idk but Captain Barbossa is the best example of Lawful Evil I've ever seen. People always say Vader, but Vader reneged on a deal in cloud city. Barbossa sticks to his word, even if he's willing to exploit the specific wording to trick people.
I personally would have also classified Barbosa as chaotic. When he led his cursed crew, he would have been chaotic evil, but then changed to chaotic neutral afterwards.
I think some of those lawful good decisions were taken out of context. For example, he voted for Swann not because she was benevolent, but because HE SAW that their interests aligned. This comes to light at a parley a few minutes later.
I personally feel that the marker that ends on the 3rd film best describes Jack Sparrow. Jack is a man that will lie, cheat, and steal to pursue his goals, but is not actively seeking to hurt anyone. Additionally, when placed into a situation that tests his character, Jack will usually the more morally good action (like saving Will's life at the cost of the chance for immortality). Thus, him being between a neutral, chaotic neutral, and true neutral positioning if feel is an accurate result.
Fun Fact, the only film of this series that is also an adaptation other than Ride elements is Stranger Tides. The original book is by Tim Powers who is well known in the SF and fantasy community. As far as my recollections go this is the only time one of his stories has been adapted... so far.
The points for returning to the pearl to save his crew from the kraken need to be much higher. It's not shown in the film, but in the script for Dead Man's Chest, the compass points to land, but jack decides to ignore what he wants most and be a good man, returning to the pearl
Fun fact: The scene in which Jack Sparrow palms one of the aztec coins is actually played in reverse. See, when it was originally played, everyone was confused about whether or not he was actually holding onto the coin or not, so they decided to reverse the footage to make it look more consistent.
12:31 I don't think the Jack and Elizabeth "flirting scene" is out of place, because it foreshadowes the end of the movie: Jack tries to give into his selfish instincts but then decides to come back because he really cares and would love to be the Hero; Elizabeth in the end does the selfish thing by chaining Jack to the Pearl to save the Crew, and I am 99% sure Jack's remark means that he remembered that moment.
Frankly I want to see them do a Pirates of the Caribbean where Port Royal sinks in the ocean like what happened in real life but with a fantasy twist to the plot, I can see that making for a really cool climax of a movie or a good opener of a villain showing off a magical weapon taking out one of the cities the movies revolved around.
there is a fair amount of things that could be done with the storyline still ranging from historical events to the loose ends of the ptoc MMO which was never finished before shutting down
Of course there is the slightly weird aspect that Port Royal and Tortuga swapped names for the movies. In real life Port Royal was the scallywag port and Tortuga the lawful one.
@@trequor Huh, I think remember Port Royal from one of the Sid Meier's Pirates, It been years it seemed pretty lawful. (Looks up) I'm probably thinking of the 2004 game though, and the Pirates of the Caribbean movie came out in 2003.
@@reifuTD The idea has caught on since that original Pirates movie. Also the name "Port Royal" just sounds lawful lol. I think plenty of fiction writers just took the name without using anything from the place itself
He is clearly Chaotic Neutral, with alternative fluctuations towards good and evil. The constant drunkenness and the touch of madness only reinforce on that.
Something I notice in these videos is that a lot of the time Chaotic isn't treated as it's own alignment. It seems like it's used to say an act is "bad, even if not evil", which isn't how the alignment works. Chaotic acts are ones which encourage the breakdown of rules and standards, or which oppose authority. Chaotic isn't just a seasoning for the other alignments, it is actually it's own thing.
So I just opened this video and here is my prediction: They are gonna put him as Chaotic Neutral. Reasoning being that he does not seem to have a direct moral code, nor does he explicitly side with anyone other than himself and his crew.
"Disney realizes everyone loves Johnny Depp" Well... Until recently, even though the whole world sided with Johnny anyway once more concrete evidence came out .-.
Great video. Glad to see you two working together yet again. On a related note, I must admit it feels weird seeing myself in the third-highest Patreon patron spot in the credits, but I suppose I'll just have to live with it. Drink up, me Hearties! XD
The cannibal island scene I kind of thought of as Jack waiting for the right moment (like King Bumi from Avatar the Last Airbender) but that may be giving the story writers too much credit.
I noticed this more when the video's audio was playing through my car's bluetooth, but JoCat's commentary and all the movie clips were at the same volume level, the main channel's commentary was way louder. Idk what the solution would be to have it all the same level, but hope this helps for future videos / collabs
The thing that solidified him more to the good side is the deleted scene simply put "people are not cargo". That set him well to the good side of the spectrum for me.
I'd say Jack getting mad at Barbosa for losing the pearl would be lawful because he then said "for that ship to be sunk proper you should be sunk with it"
I got here late and am about to nap my tires away, but most importantly: Everyone and their mother is thinking and saying the same, that for our boy Jack, his Neutral game is so Chaotic it's insane.
Jack recently got into Sea of Thieves and had a canon story that properly explains what happened after the 5th movie. Just in case you look at Davy Jones or Jack again, or even Calypso, I'd recommend looking into it. It's really cool and gives a good send off to Jack and some of the others, with just enough leeway to bring him back through the game. It's really fun too. I'd recommend it.
Killing beckett is absolutely a chaotic neutral move. It's what is best for him and the people he cares about (ergo not evil), but cannot be classified as lawful or good since it opens up the opportunity for more pirates in the sea.
They debated it pretty heavily I would love to see their reasoning, but I would argue that at that point in the story Beckett had gone mad with power. He suspended the law and all due process and was executing hundreds of people a day.
I was told that the actor that played him came to work one day dressed as what would be done in the movies and proclaimed that this is what his character looks like. I don't if that is just a rumor but one of my siblings told me it.
Frankly since nothing it brings up is touched on again, I choose to believe that Pirates 4 was (mostly) a story Jack is telling Will and Elizbeth's kid to explain why he missed his birthday ;)
Chaotic Neutral, he is selfish at times and selfless at others. He tries to make others think he is chaotic evil but there is just enough conscience inside that makes him try to make things work while hiding his good qualities.
I can't say taking hostage is "lawful evil" if he is bluffing, then becomes "chaotic neutral" since she is not an actual hostage but instead he is lying. Now.... would Jack hurt her... maybe... if hurting her would convince them yes he would but if it would just end up killing her and make him achive nothing then no... so most likely lawful evil is correct but intention matters
I'd say chaotic neutral since he immediately ditches the hostage before trying to escape. If he had pushed Elizabeth into the water, or tried to negotiate his way out while still taking her hostage, I'd say neutral or lawful evil since he's actively putting her life at risk. But the way the scene plays out, it looks like it was just a bluff and momentary distraction to make the soldiers back off so he could have a chance to run away.
@@Birthday888 yea that was the point. Now if that actually harmed Elizabeth I doubt if sparow would went out of his way to save her but still he had no intention to stab or hurt her even if his bluff didn't catch.. he was not gonna be like "HHAHAHA I TOLD YOU I WOULD HARM HER" and then break her neck... and I bet soldiers know it too but... who wants to risk his neck to be the person that responsible of death of her by claiming he is bluffing :D
The context seriously matters here as well. The "hostage" in question owed him a life debt... AND the necessity for taking said hostage was an immediate consequence of creating that life debt. He saved her life and as a result he was put in danger.
@@trequor that's not fair argument considering he was given "good" aligment for saving her allready, so evil just equalizes it. main question was and still is:Would he harm her if guards reacted in different way:If no, then its a lie. Lying is chaotic neutral.
So, odd thought: What alignment was he at the end of each movie, cumulative? Interested if he was Chaotic Neutral at the end of the 3rd, before Disney rot set in.
Gladly I never watched PotC 5 and can barely remember PotC 4. 1 to 3 as some of my favorite movies of all time, At Worlds End being my favorite of the bunch.
Jack Sparrow is your classic example of a chaotic neutral alignment, hands down. He is definitely not good, chaotic or neutral. He is self-serving and does what ever the flip he pleases, without regard for morality or law. More often than not, when he does a good deed, it usually serves his own interests.
Considering the whole AH trial the chances of there being anymore pirates movies is remote without CAPTAIN jack sparrow . And no one else could do the roll justice .
I like the 5th movie. I'm saying it now. I like Henry trying to save his father despit only having met him like twice to three times from the curse. I like seeing more of Jack's backstory and seeing that he's more-or-less always been the troll of the seas. I like the happy ending for the turner family with Will being freed from his curse and living with his family in peace. I like Salazar as a villan, he's badass and unapologetically evil and he knows and revels in his villainy because he does it to pirates. The gimmick of his ship and crew are awesome too. I like the 5th movie
I agree. It's not like Jack just waits for Will to save him, he immediately takes advantage of Will's escape to try and make his escape. Besides, what loss of agency? Jack must've convinced the native people on the island that he was their god in order to a) save himself and b) delay the natives from eating his men. That's plenty of agency. Jack just didn't realize the natives eat their gods in their rituals to free their spirit.
Jack's allegiance is always to himself. He'll pick the path with least casualties but top priority is himself. Every deal, every promise, every accord is all to save his ass. The only time he ever risks his life is when it's to save someone he's interested in. He fights to run away.
In the 5th movie sure, but before that Jack consistently lives for other people. He risks his life for Elizabeth. He risks his life for Will Turner. He gives up immortality for someone else on 2 different occasions
Y'know, for the longest time my only experience of Pirates of the Caribbean was Port Royal in KH2. That world kinds sucks and I just didn't really think much of Pirates. Then over a decade later, I sat down and watched the first film and was like "Where the hell was THIS the whole time!?"
I mean the 5th movie kinda handwaves why Jack is acting so weird is because Barbossa paid a witch to curse him, but then it never gets brought back up so still stupid
Honestly I think chaotic good better represents Jack Sparrow rather than chaotic neutral. He generally has good intentions even if he doesn't want to show it.
weird, I always liked all the movies, but then again I remember the vault part of the salahazar movie but not the villain himself so maybe I started it and didn't finish it (though it wasn't because I thought it was bad... I actually remember while not entirely sure if it was during that particular movie of spree re-watching PotC movies and getting too tired to finish one I had basically just started... and considering I remember the vault part but not anything else that was probably it but to be fair on that point, I had watched all the previous PotC movies straight in a row before that one)
Jack is flatly C/N with good tendencies. Since I'm unsure if the Greeco/Roman has a dedicated jester God I think being as tweeked as Jack is they'd demi God him under Bahccus and he'd drop straight onto Olympus when he croaked (and the kraken didn't eat him.)
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I remember having a conversation with one of my players about how Captain Jack Sparrow exemplified the Chaotic Neutral alignment. She described the alignment as: might save the world, might steal your car. I amended it to: might steal your car in order to save the world, might save the world in order to steal your car.
Give a Jack a bottle of rum, and he'll be drunk for a day. Give a Jack a magical compass that always points to what he wants most, and he'll potentially be drunk for the rest of his life, unless he trades it for said bottle from earlier
We don’t speak of any poc after 3
True dat
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day but TEACH that man to fish and you can bang his wife every weekend! - Jack Sparrow.
At world's end is where it ended🤣
@@killersannin5459 same with endgame XD
pirates are awesome. I want more pirates. but not Johnny Depp anymore. let him rest. but also more pirates.
I'm so glad you're dropping the jocrap persona instead of letting yourself burn out.
there was only 3 movies an no one can tell me different
i love your persona he's grate but your what makes him grate so just be you if that's what you want your awaomes
Pirate themed D&D sessions
@@geoshark12 I actually thing the 5th one isn't that bad. The issue with the 4th one is they decided to make Jack the main character. And as much as a beloved character he is, as much as he makes a difference to the quality of the movies, he is NOT main character material! Will and, in the later movies Elizabeth, are much better main characters. In movie 4 Jack is main character and that doesn't work. And in movie 5, sadly they don't have access to Will and Elizabeth, but the new characters make for reasonable replacements. They make it work for that last movie.
Jack Sparrow always felt like a selfish prick who's willing to do almost anything in service of himself and himself only. But that he was never out right evil and thus was never willing to do anything that meant killing unnecessarily if he could avoid it. Among doing anything that would be considered to cold hearted and the like. Having just enough of a conscious to do the right thing if it 1 benefitted him and 2 wouldn't weigh down on whatever humanity he has left. Definitely a chaotic neutral character.
He literally became a pirate because he freed slaves he was supposed to deliver for the company
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Which is cool. But I didn't say he wouldn't do legitally good deeds. I just said for the most part he'd only do them if thought it was to immoral otherwise. Jack still did a lot of selfish and messed up things over the years.
He has a strict yet loose set of morals. The few morals he has he sticks to but he’s generally out for himself. He’s smart because he’s not much of a fighter and as consequence he looks for the least bloody solution to a problem not always out of good will but because he doesn’t want to die. Honestly the perfect neutral protagonist
Chaotic Neutral, officially, values their freedom. So it’s in character for Jack.
@@geoshark12 one good deed among a mountain of (mostly) innocent men.
It’s a shame that Jack’s long-running wish to become Immortal through any means necessary was never given a proper send-off.
The Aztec Gold could have been a way to it, but he gave that up to beat Barbossa.
Becoming captain of the Flying Dutchman was another way to it, but he gave that up to save Will.
Searching for the Fountain of Youth was another way but he gave that up because the plot demanded it.
The last movie had almost nothing to do with his little quest.
Might have been pretty cool to see a time skipped Jack Sparrow where he finally became an immortal pirate instead of the guy everyone jokes about.
i think theres a message in there about eternal life isn't as valuable as saving those you care for
@@bleddynwolf8463 I’ll be sure to use that life lesson next time I visit the Fountain of Youth lol
i think his image become immortal. Like he is just so iconic that almost everyone know and can easily love his character even without seeing all the PoTC movies. He fails to find the immortality he is looking for, but his tales become immortal to all of those who have met him or heard about him.
@@bleddynwolf8463 Alternately, something about it all being the “pursuit” of the thing rather than actually getting the thing, or becoming so well known (‘socially’ immortal) despite never actually achieving it?
@@longphan7656 While that is super good, as are the other ideas here in this comment chain, the last movie still didn't really 'capstone' it or touch on that subject in any real way. So it basically just kinda dropped his long term arc.
I think the exclusion of the "people aren't cargo" scene, deleted or not was unfortunate. I still enjoyed the analysis.
True I think this aspect of Jack gets forgotten
I need to finish the books but I know this is where this originated
He worked for The East India Trading Company but he refused to ship enslaved people and that's how he got branded as a Pirate
Yeah it's a real shame... especially since Jack becomes less redeemable in those later movies. Even by Pirates 2 he is no longer a good character.
Jack Sparrow is clearly a lawbreaker, but he isn't blatantly evil, he is also unpredictable.
So he is clearly either Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral.
CG or CN really depend on the situation for which Jack embodies more.
CN hands down
Probably Chaotic Good by the end. He's a Pirate, but also a good guy, so it just kinda fits. Hell he might even start as Chaotic Good.
Consider the act which also got him branded a Pirate in the first place - Freeing slaves.
He took a lot of personal injury doing an act that purely benefitted many others....
While it might be from a deleted scene, what better way to get branded for a Chaotic Good Pirate?
People aren't cargo, mate.
Chaotic neutral, the terms good and pirate only belong in the same statement if you’re saying someone is skilled (or would be skilled) as a pirate/privateer.
I consider him Chaotic Evil
I consider him Chaotic Chaotic :)
There was an extended scene for when Jack and Elizibeth were marooned together in the first film where he angrily shouts his whole plan to her which was hilariously enough to help everyone get what they wanted minus the bad guys and that her dear sweet stupid boyfriend screwed the whole thing up marvelously. Most of the extended material that describes what the writers wanted to go for with Jack is that he's a way better person than he wants people to believe, including himself. Heck his first action to become a pirate in his original backstory before the clumsy sequels was legit freeing a ton of slaves because he couldn't stomach how they were being treated and didn't want to let them die below decks. Jack in my mind has always been Chaotic Good to Chaotic Neutral with a serious case of imposter syndrome when someone tries to tell him he's a good person.
If all games featuring Jack are canon, does that mean he actually beat a chronomancer with the power of Death breath?
... yeah I mean he IS Captain Jack Sparrow
No it's not death breath, it's stinking cloud.
@@superboomn sir I think u mean CAPTAIN jack sparrow :)
@@theguy8474 sorry my good sir I'll change it
I'm sure you might mention this later, but just a few minutes in and every time Jack threatens someone with his pistol he isn't going to follow through with it.
That bullet is meant for Barbossa and Barbossa alone.
He’s chaotic, without a doubt. I say he’s Chaotic Neutral.
“There are only two tubs that matter: what a man can do, and what a man can’t do.”
Idk but Captain Barbossa is the best example of Lawful Evil I've ever seen. People always say Vader, but Vader reneged on a deal in cloud city. Barbossa sticks to his word, even if he's willing to exploit the specific wording to trick people.
I personally would have also classified Barbosa as chaotic. When he led his cursed crew, he would have been chaotic evil, but then changed to chaotic neutral afterwards.
I think some of those lawful good decisions were taken out of context. For example, he voted for Swann not because she was benevolent, but because HE SAW that their interests aligned. This comes to light at a parley a few minutes later.
I personally feel that the marker that ends on the 3rd film best describes Jack Sparrow. Jack is a man that will lie, cheat, and steal to pursue his goals, but is not actively seeking to hurt anyone. Additionally, when placed into a situation that tests his character, Jack will usually the more morally good action (like saving Will's life at the cost of the chance for immortality). Thus, him being between a neutral, chaotic neutral, and true neutral positioning if feel is an accurate result.
Fun Fact, the only film of this series that is also an adaptation other than Ride elements is Stranger Tides. The original book is by Tim Powers who is well known in the SF and fantasy community. As far as my recollections go this is the only time one of his stories has been adapted... so far.
Adapted poorly?
The points for returning to the pearl to save his crew from the kraken need to be much higher. It's not shown in the film, but in the script for Dead Man's Chest, the compass points to land, but jack decides to ignore what he wants most and be a good man, returning to the pearl
Fun fact:
The scene in which Jack Sparrow palms one of the aztec coins is actually played in reverse. See, when it was originally played, everyone was confused about whether or not he was actually holding onto the coin or not, so they decided to reverse the footage to make it look more consistent.
12:31 I don't think the Jack and Elizabeth "flirting scene" is out of place, because it foreshadowes the end of the movie: Jack tries to give into his selfish instincts but then decides to come back because he really cares and would love to be the Hero; Elizabeth in the end does the selfish thing by chaining Jack to the Pearl to save the Crew, and I am 99% sure Jack's remark means that he remembered that moment.
14:21 fluffernutter
critical role was right, it was an awesome plan.
Frankly I want to see them do a Pirates of the Caribbean where Port Royal sinks in the ocean like what happened in real life but with a fantasy twist to the plot, I can see that making for a really cool climax of a movie or a good opener of a villain showing off a magical weapon taking out one of the cities the movies revolved around.
Atlantis or some shit was the reason or some type of sea creature
there is a fair amount of things that could be done with the storyline still ranging from historical events to the loose ends of the ptoc MMO which was never finished before shutting down
Of course there is the slightly weird aspect that Port Royal and Tortuga swapped names for the movies. In real life Port Royal was the scallywag port and Tortuga the lawful one.
@@trequor Huh, I think remember Port Royal from one of the Sid Meier's Pirates, It been years it seemed pretty lawful. (Looks up) I'm probably thinking of the 2004 game though, and the Pirates of the Caribbean movie came out in 2003.
@@reifuTD The idea has caught on since that original Pirates movie. Also the name "Port Royal" just sounds lawful lol. I think plenty of fiction writers just took the name without using anything from the place itself
He is clearly Chaotic Neutral, with alternative fluctuations towards good and evil. The constant drunkenness and the touch of madness only reinforce on that.
Great video!!! It was great seeing great seeing you and Jocat team up again andJack was fascinating
Something I notice in these videos is that a lot of the time Chaotic isn't treated as it's own alignment. It seems like it's used to say an act is "bad, even if not evil", which isn't how the alignment works. Chaotic acts are ones which encourage the breakdown of rules and standards, or which oppose authority. Chaotic isn't just a seasoning for the other alignments, it is actually it's own thing.
Honestly, no matter what happens with Jacks movies I will always love him. He is such a fun character to watch.
So I just opened this video and here is my prediction:
They are gonna put him as Chaotic Neutral. Reasoning being that he does not seem to have a direct moral code, nor does he explicitly side with anyone other than himself and his crew.
"Disney realizes everyone loves Johnny Depp"
Well... Until recently, even though the whole world sided with Johnny anyway once more concrete evidence came out .-.
Great video. Glad to see you two working together yet again.
On a related note, I must admit it feels weird seeing myself in the third-highest Patreon patron spot in the credits, but I suppose I'll just have to live with it. Drink up, me Hearties! XD
The cannibal island scene I kind of thought of as Jack waiting for the right moment (like King Bumi from Avatar the Last Airbender) but that may be giving the story writers too much credit.
Jack's alignment is Chaotic Lawful, he lies, cheats and steals but keeps his word and cares for others.
Also that intro is just me with all of my DnD groups.
Jack does a surprising amount of lawful things. But yeah. He actually plays the hero quite often.
We gotta have an obligatory squid game moral alignment video
I noticed this more when the video's audio was playing through my car's bluetooth, but JoCat's commentary and all the movie clips were at the same volume level, the main channel's commentary was way louder. Idk what the solution would be to have it all the same level, but hope this helps for future videos / collabs
The thing that solidified him more to the good side is the deleted scene simply put "people are not cargo". That set him well to the good side of the spectrum for me.
Hi Jocat, we may not get to see Jocrap but I appreciate the real you more
I'd say Jack getting mad at Barbosa for losing the pearl would be lawful because he then said "for that ship to be sunk proper you should be sunk with it"
I got here late and am about to nap my tires away, but most importantly: Everyone and their mother is thinking and saying the same, that for our boy Jack, his Neutral game is so Chaotic it's insane.
“ Chaotic stupid” now my favorite line. Thanks
I love the confusion in his voice when talking about Jack voting for Elizabeth.
"Magnificent, and fierce, and gone... why's it gone?"
The Loading Crew: "Chaotic Stupid"
Me: More like Chaotic Laughter at how ridiculous the whole thing was.
Jack recently got into Sea of Thieves and had a canon story that properly explains what happened after the 5th movie. Just in case you look at Davy Jones or Jack again, or even Calypso, I'd recommend looking into it. It's really cool and gives a good send off to Jack and some of the others, with just enough leeway to bring him back through the game. It's really fun too. I'd recommend it.
I think we need one of these alignment videos for Bondrewd the Novel from Made in the Abyss.
Id have to rewatch, cos i swear jack wanted freedom to sail , and taking jones place would be opposite of that
Assuming original backstory, Chaotic Good. Updated backstory after the original trilogy, Chaotic Neutral or maybe Lawful Evil.
Jack Sparrow is just the definition of chaotic anything
I love the fact that Chaotic evil is alastor, perfect
lawful evil...but you didn't hear that from me :)
Killing beckett is absolutely a chaotic neutral move. It's what is best for him and the people he cares about (ergo not evil), but cannot be classified as lawful or good since it opens up the opportunity for more pirates in the sea.
They debated it pretty heavily I would love to see their reasoning, but I would argue that at that point in the story Beckett had gone mad with power. He suspended the law and all due process and was executing hundreds of people a day.
My favorite scene was when the banker opened the safe and jack is inside it surprising everyone 😂
I would say Chaotic Neutral, bordering Chaotic Good.
1:11 He said, admiring the musculature
Chaotic good or chaotic neutral, that's my guess.
I was told that the actor that played him came to work one day dressed as what would be done in the movies and proclaimed that this is what his character looks like. I don't if that is just a rumor but one of my siblings told me it.
for me hes a chaotic neutral, but will wiggle himself between good and neutral depending on reason or needs.
I personally prefer the colour pie, and there he comfortably sits in black-red for his unpredictability and selfishness yet straightforward.
Hey Stewart! If you're taking suggestions, ANY character in Arcane would be awesome, though Powder/Jinx would likely be the most interesting
Frankly since nothing it brings up is touched on again, I choose to believe that Pirates 4 was (mostly) a story Jack is telling Will and Elizbeth's kid to explain why he missed his birthday ;)
Chaotic good maybe? He’s very chaotic, but he almost always has a good conscience.
Chaotic Neutral, he is selfish at times and selfless at others. He tries to make others think he is chaotic evil but there is just enough conscience inside that makes him try to make things work while hiding his good qualities.
I can't say taking hostage is "lawful evil" if he is bluffing, then becomes "chaotic neutral" since she is not an actual hostage but instead he is lying.
Now.... would Jack hurt her... maybe... if hurting her would convince them yes he would but if it would just end up killing her and make him achive nothing then no...
so most likely lawful evil is correct but intention matters
I'd say chaotic neutral since he immediately ditches the hostage before trying to escape. If he had pushed Elizabeth into the water, or tried to negotiate his way out while still taking her hostage, I'd say neutral or lawful evil since he's actively putting her life at risk. But the way the scene plays out, it looks like it was just a bluff and momentary distraction to make the soldiers back off so he could have a chance to run away.
@@Birthday888 yea that was the point. Now if that actually harmed Elizabeth I doubt if sparow would went out of his way to save her but still he had no intention to stab or hurt her even if his bluff didn't catch.. he was not gonna be like
"HHAHAHA I TOLD YOU I WOULD HARM HER" and then break her neck... and I bet soldiers know it too but... who wants to risk his neck to be the person that responsible of death of her by claiming he is bluffing :D
The context seriously matters here as well. The "hostage" in question owed him a life debt... AND the necessity for taking said hostage was an immediate consequence of creating that life debt. He saved her life and as a result he was put in danger.
@@trequor that's not fair argument considering he was given "good" aligment for saving her allready, so evil just equalizes it.
main question was and still is:Would he harm her if guards reacted in different way:If no, then its a lie. Lying is chaotic neutral.
@@makaramuss How is it not fair? I guess i wasnt clear: those two events together demonstrate neutrality
So, odd thought: What alignment was he at the end of each movie, cumulative? Interested if he was Chaotic Neutral at the end of the 3rd, before Disney rot set in.
I know it would be hell of an undertaking, but seeing one of these for straw hat Luffy would be great.
DAMN... Love the new look. I know its only for this video but sill... Looks good~
Chaotic neutral. He's not a monster but he's still a pirate who will kill cheat and steal to get ahead
Oh my god.
HEY, THESE GUYS LIKED THE THIRD MOVIE! THAT IS ALLOWED!
hahah! liking something is always allowed
Gladly I never watched PotC 5 and can barely remember PotC 4. 1 to 3 as some of my favorite movies of all time, At Worlds End being my favorite of the bunch.
Fun fact dead men tell no tales is turned into Salazar's revenge on Disney plus
Somewhere between Chaotic Good & Neutral Good. Unless you want to call it "Chaotic Neutral".
Nice Blue Chair reference in the intro
Jack Sparrow is your classic example of a chaotic neutral alignment, hands down. He is definitely not good, chaotic or neutral. He is self-serving and does what ever the flip he pleases, without regard for morality or law. More often than not, when he does a good deed, it usually serves his own interests.
before even watching the video I CALLING IT NOW, *he is chaotic neutral.*
I was mostly right, though very surprised at the amount of lawful good choices our captain made o3o
Starts chaotic neutral, progresses to chaotic good.
Arf, no nat 20 scene for Barbossa's death. One of the shining moments in the fuckfest that was Pirates 5.
No sleight of hand check for the Aztec gold?
Didn't even know the last two existed, going to pretend I still don't and ignore them.
Considering the whole AH trial the chances of there being anymore pirates movies is remote without CAPTAIN jack sparrow . And no one else could do the roll justice .
YES they DID have Pirates of the Caribbean in Disney World in Florida and long before the movie.
I like the 5th movie. I'm saying it now. I like Henry trying to save his father despit only having met him like twice to three times from the curse. I like seeing more of Jack's backstory and seeing that he's more-or-less always been the troll of the seas. I like the happy ending for the turner family with Will being freed from his curse and living with his family in peace. I like Salazar as a villan, he's badass and unapologetically evil and he knows and revels in his villainy because he does it to pirates. The gimmick of his ship and crew are awesome too. I like the 5th movie
Lawful chaotic
Abiding by his own strict code of always being chaotic in any situation.
I disagree heavily with the scene on the island. I thought it was pretty funny, and Jack did try his best to help Will
I agree. It's not like Jack just waits for Will to save him, he immediately takes advantage of Will's escape to try and make his escape. Besides, what loss of agency? Jack must've convinced the native people on the island that he was their god in order to a) save himself and b) delay the natives from eating his men. That's plenty of agency. Jack just didn't realize the natives eat their gods in their rituals to free their spirit.
What's with the bow? What's the story behind that
When jakc makes backstabbing truces with the navy and davy and the lords. Its all for his own good, killing 2-3 birds with one very good stone throw
I refuse to believe he's anything but chaotic neutral
this took so longe to do because people who play DnD are all on different time zones
I agree with your assessment wholeheartedly
Jack's allegiance is always to himself. He'll pick the path with least casualties but top priority is himself. Every deal, every promise, every accord is all to save his ass. The only time he ever risks his life is when it's to save someone he's interested in.
He fights to run away.
In the 5th movie sure, but before that Jack consistently lives for other people. He risks his life for Elizabeth. He risks his life for Will Turner. He gives up immortality for someone else on 2 different occasions
That intro was S tier
"every time we procrastinated this, I did one push up."
"... Jesus Christ..."
Ive been thinking
what character alignment is BMO from adventure time?
Y'know, for the longest time my only experience of Pirates of the Caribbean was Port Royal in KH2. That world kinds sucks and I just didn't really think much of Pirates. Then over a decade later, I sat down and watched the first film and was like "Where the hell was THIS the whole time!?"
Jack Sparrow is by far one of the best pirate characters that scene when he roles up to the dock in a sinking ship perfectly describes him
I mean the 5th movie kinda handwaves why Jack is acting so weird is because Barbossa paid a witch to curse him, but then it never gets brought back up so still stupid
Honestly I think chaotic good better represents Jack Sparrow rather than chaotic neutral. He generally has good intentions even if he doesn't want to show it.
weird, I always liked all the movies, but then again I remember the vault part of the salahazar movie but not the villain himself so maybe I started it and didn't finish it (though it wasn't because I thought it was bad... I actually remember while not entirely sure if it was during that particular movie of spree re-watching PotC movies and getting too tired to finish one I had basically just started... and considering I remember the vault part but not anything else that was probably it but to be fair on that point, I had watched all the previous PotC movies straight in a row before that one)
Instead of William's kid, they should've setup a legacy for Jack so the actor/character could be reset.
Can someone explain the scale on the top right because I still don't get it
Jack is flatly C/N with good tendencies. Since I'm unsure if the Greeco/Roman has a dedicated jester God I think being as tweeked as Jack is they'd demi God him under Bahccus and he'd drop straight onto Olympus when he croaked (and the kraken didn't eat him.)
Chaotic neutral, not everything he does is good or bad, but it’s all bat shit crazy
Am I wrong to think jack is the Joseph Joestar of pirates?
where is the explanation of the schematic in the right upper corner and i would like one for niklaus mikaelson =p
You finally acknowledged my constant anti-sponsor comments. I feel so validated 🥵💅💅💅💅