Using the steam first workflow, I find that I also have to run some water through the group before brewing. If not, you can definitely expect some flash boiling.
That latte workflow was smooth! Nice job. I've just seen lots of videos really making a mountain out of the workflow, which had been off putting as I am keen on the machine
I'm curious where the assertion that waiting ~2 minutes for milk is objectively "too long" to leave espresso out. As long as you steam your milk to the proper temperature, it's going to be the majority of what's in the cup anyway so temperature of the final drink shouldn't be an issue.
@@hotsupper1516 The way that it was presented in the video made it seem like it was a legitimate concern rather than a myth that's not worth worrying over. Hence "you are forced to steam first, pull shot second"
the problem with steaming first though is that you need to bring the machines water temp back to 90 degrees down from 130-140 for steaming and that can take some purging of the boiler to get the water temp back down to an acceptable brew temp
On the fence about selling my (2010) Rancilio Silvia for a Profitec Go (new).. Nothing wrong with my current Rancilio, but I like the PID/temp gauge on the Profitec
Just a word of warning stay away from Amora coffee they get you to set up an account to try their coffee and if you don't close the account they send you 4 bags of coffee plus charge you s/h I got taken for $68.75 and been over 9 days and have not taking any delivery on any coffee so be warning and by local if you can.
Apartamento reaches the temp half the time and can go on and on and on and on. You run out of steam fast on rancilio. But this model is a very good machine.
Been getting a little frustrated with my Breville Barista Touch Impress and all of its auto features, and after a noticeable difference in taste from a friends La Spaziale mini Vivaldi, thinking I want to go to a more dedicated set up. Do you think this would be a worth while change (in addition to a quality grinder of course)?
You're right to include the quality grinder part of this comment, because that's very likely a BIG contributor to the difference in taste you were experiencing (assuming of course using the same coffee) The Silvia is a great machine, absolutely rock solid. However, I would urge you to also consider the Gaggia Classic EVO and the Profitec GO which I think offer better packages for the money. The Gaggia will be the same as the Rancilio if you're just doing espresso (steam arm isn't my favourite) and the Profitec is a nice step up in terms of build quality, AND integrates a PID for not a HUGE jump in price
This is sort of like asking if air conditioning is needed in a car. Nice to have, but you could also just open the windows As you can see, many very popular machines like this one do not have a PID, but rather on constant temperature. You cannot adjust temperature higher or lower, and you’ll want to flush the group for a second or so before brewing to remove any overheated water.
hey, great review and video production, I am noticing a better video production quality and that is awesome, keep up the good work, wish you the best, please consider reviewing Lelit Victoria, the modern rival of the Silvia which they share the same price tag but with better features.
@@LifestyleLab_ that is just great. I would also suggest to you to open up a Patreon page for your community to support you buy coffee machines and equipment and be given away to viewers at the end. this would super expand your capabilities and enables you to review/research more diverse coffee gear. btw, i have commented on one of your videos to suggest a topic about breville machines adjustment to 9 bar, by this you will end the miserable life of breville owners and their poor extractions. thanks.
The coffee from Silvia turns out quite sour, or is this normal? I am playing with the amount of coffee and grinding config, but still quite sour. Before that, I drank coffee from a Delonghi machine, it was not very saturated but not sour at all.
Nice video! 😊 But may i know will you choose Rancilio Silvia V6 over Breville Dual Boiler? Regardless of the priice. who do produce a great espresso? And for longevity? Thanks!
BDB will have better potential for espresso, and will be much faster making lattes. Silvia is built better, costs less, and has a much smaller footprint
Do you have enough budget to pair the Rancilio with a good quality grinder? You need to factor that in. The final cost of that system will likely be almost double the Barista Pro, but it will be able to produce better quality espresso, and have better longevity. The Barista Pro has slightly less steaming power, but it transitions between brewing and steaming almost instantly.
Probably not SUPER soon, because they are exactly that. A Silvia with PID and dual boilers, not expecting to have too much more to report on. But I do intend to look at them eventually!
What do you mean? How hot is the drink? Just as hot as any other machine, espresso is brewed at a standard temperature, generally around 94-96 degrees Celsius
To anyone considering buying this thing - I have had it for a while and here are a few remarks: - Don't use the steam wand, rather buy a simple milk foaming device on a side if you need to do milk drinks. The heating and cooling down part is annoying in the long run. If milk foam is really needed rather consider a dual boiler machine. - As it is widely used there are a lot of service shops and also there is a tunning available for it. Like the PID or different/aftermarket parts. - The water matters, don't use hard water. It will damage the boiler and you are looking for 150€ repair. You can buy a cartridge for it or use water in bottles. - I was experiencing issues if I closed the valve for the hot water before turning the hot water off with the switch. First turn switch it off and then close it using the wheel. - You need a good grinder, this only pushes water, if you put sh*t in you will get it on the other end out. Having a good grinder is more important. - It is impractical in multiple ways. The drip tray, you don't know your water level, it is not heating the cups sufficiently, etc. But it is a good starting machine. - Would I buy it again if this one breaks? No, I'd rather buy something better, but this was good starting point.
I am not sure whether I will replace my 12-year-old Silvia with another. I would hate the European automatic switch off. I would always be concerned about rust developing. I would really like a factory-installed PID. On balance, I think that my mind now moves away from Silvia.
@@Jaroslav. Thank you. UK companies indicate that the V6 has an iron frame but in Australia, a stainless steel frame is promoted. Does the V6 always have a stainless steel frame?
Many companies simply copy paste (often inaccurate) descriptions from older models. I’ve confirmed this with Rancilio, all 2020 (V6) models have a stainless steel frame.
As for the Silvia always the same old story. Just.a hype. Build like a tank and so on, and so on............... But ............................... The Silvia has no temperature stability. Temperature surfing is needed. Driptray is a let down. All in all the Silvia is in badly need of some upgrades to fix these issues. For decades nothing has been changed except for some minor updates.
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@@garysiu5498 Thanks for the heads up, very odd, try now!
I have a 20 year old Rancilio still going strong!
Using the steam first workflow, I find that I also have to run some water through the group before brewing. If not, you can definitely expect some flash boiling.
That latte workflow was smooth! Nice job. I've just seen lots of videos really making a mountain out of the workflow, which had been off putting as I am keen on the machine
Hey, very nice intro editing! You’re getting better and better. :))
Great idea to review other brands as well.
Thank you!
Its the reason the video went up a little late today, so glad somebody noticed!
I'm curious where the assertion that waiting ~2 minutes for milk is objectively "too long" to leave espresso out. As long as you steam your milk to the proper temperature, it's going to be the majority of what's in the cup anyway so temperature of the final drink shouldn't be an issue.
A good video on this topic: ruclips.net/video/i4dL_lO8j9s/видео.html
Yeah I think he was referring to the myth that shots ‘die’ after a certain period of time.
👆this
@@hotsupper1516 The way that it was presented in the video made it seem like it was a legitimate concern rather than a myth that's not worth worrying over. Hence "you are forced to steam first, pull shot second"
It is a genuine concern for some. For others, not so much
the problem with steaming first though is that you need to bring the machines water temp back to 90 degrees down from 130-140 for steaming and that can take some purging of the boiler to get the water temp back down to an acceptable brew temp
Yup! You're either purging or waiting, one of two evils
On the fence about selling my (2010) Rancilio Silvia for a Profitec Go (new).. Nothing wrong with my current Rancilio, but I like the PID/temp gauge on the Profitec
Just a word of warning stay away from Amora coffee they get you to set up an account to try their coffee and if you don't close the account they send you 4 bags of coffee plus charge you s/h I got taken for $68.75 and been over 9 days and have not taking any delivery on any coffee so be warning and by local if you can.
Great review as always! Love this in the black finish
Apartamento reaches the temp half the time and can go on and on and on and on. You run out of steam fast on rancilio. But this model is a very good machine.
Apartameto is double the price. It better steam longer
Been getting a little frustrated with my Breville Barista Touch Impress and all of its auto features, and after a noticeable difference in taste from a friends La Spaziale mini Vivaldi, thinking I want to go to a more dedicated set up. Do you think this would be a worth while change (in addition to a quality grinder of course)?
You're right to include the quality grinder part of this comment, because that's very likely a BIG contributor to the difference in taste you were experiencing (assuming of course using the same coffee)
The Silvia is a great machine, absolutely rock solid. However, I would urge you to also consider the Gaggia Classic EVO and the Profitec GO which I think offer better packages for the money. The Gaggia will be the same as the Rancilio if you're just doing espresso (steam arm isn't my favourite) and the Profitec is a nice step up in terms of build quality, AND integrates a PID for not a HUGE jump in price
Thanks for doing this review!
Thanks for watching!
Great video! Which grinder do you recommend for this machine??
I'm on the fence of buying this but wonder if current gen Silvia still prone to rusty chassis and base?
Is the Baratza Encore ESP a good pair for the Rancilio Silvia?
Absolutely :)
Great review. I hope you do the cecotec cumbia dual thermoblock.
Nicely done review!
I'm new to this, is a PID needed or is there another way to accurately know the temp and be able to brew correctly?
This is sort of like asking if air conditioning is needed in a car. Nice to have, but you could also just open the windows
As you can see, many very popular machines like this one do not have a PID, but rather on constant temperature. You cannot adjust temperature higher or lower, and you’ll want to flush the group for a second or so before brewing to remove any overheated water.
Thanks for the review. Noticed the Pilot Coffee Roaster tamper and had a feeling you were Canadian!
Good eye!
Would you recommend the new Rancilio Pro X above this if someone is planning on making a once a life time purchase?
If you make lots of steamed drinks back to back, yes. Otherwise, only if you have the budget
@@LifestyleLab_ Thank you for your honest review
Love this review! Excellent videos!
Thanks for watching!
hey, great review and video production,
I am noticing a better video production quality and that is awesome,
keep up the good work, wish you the best,
please consider reviewing Lelit Victoria, the modern rival of the Silvia which they share the same price tag but with better features.
We'll add it to the list!
@@LifestyleLab_ that is just great.
I would also suggest to you to open up a Patreon page for your community to support you buy coffee machines and equipment and be given away to viewers at the end. this would super expand your capabilities and enables you to review/research more diverse coffee gear.
btw, i have commented on one of your videos to suggest a topic about breville machines adjustment to 9 bar, by this you will end the miserable life of breville owners and their poor extractions.
thanks.
Hey, cool! You have a face! Really love your reviews, another good one -- thanks!
The coffee from Silvia turns out quite sour, or is this normal? I am playing with the amount of coffee and grinding config, but still quite sour. Before that, I drank coffee from a Delonghi machine, it was not very saturated but not sour at all.
You just need to work on your dialing in. Also make sure the portafilter is HOT before brewing
Does it include a pid? Or do you still need to do temperature surfing to get the boiler temperature correct?
This model does not have a built in PID, no. However there are some aftermarket options
Nice video! 😊 But may i know will you choose Rancilio Silvia V6 over Breville Dual Boiler? Regardless of the priice. who do produce a great espresso? And for longevity? Thanks!
See our comparison between the Dual Boiler and the Rocket Appartamento. The points for the Silvia will be very much the same
BDB will have better potential for espresso, and will be much faster making lattes.
Silvia is built better, costs less, and has a much smaller footprint
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you so much. Appreciated it.
very nice videos man. keep up :) good work thxs
Fantastic review!
Whats your suggestions or advice on Rancilio Silvia & Breville barista pro?
Do you have enough budget to pair the Rancilio with a good quality grinder? You need to factor that in. The final cost of that system will likely be almost double the Barista Pro, but it will be able to produce better quality espresso, and have better longevity. The Barista Pro has slightly less steaming power, but it transitions between brewing and steaming almost instantly.
@@LifestyleLab_ Thank you for your reply :)
Super cool intro, super cool tunes, super cool and impressive espresso machine, wonderful and superbly done video
Thanks Orrin!
@@LifestyleLab_ your welcome sir
@@LifestyleLab_ your welcome
When it comes to this machine I hear a lot about temperature surfing and getting a pid installed. Does it really make a difference?
Temperature surfing is easy and straightforward, but PID does make a big difference.
Nice review !!
Will you do a review of the pro or Pro x anytime soon which are dual boilers?
Probably not SUPER soon, because they are exactly that. A Silvia with PID and dual boilers, not expecting to have too much more to report on. But I do intend to look at them eventually!
@@LifestyleLab_
yes, you are right.
Cheers for your reply.
Can you test the temperature after brewing the espresso?
What do you mean? How hot is the drink?
Just as hot as any other machine, espresso is brewed at a standard temperature, generally around 94-96 degrees Celsius
@@LifestyleLab_ ok thank you
How do you know extraction amount without a scale?
I was going off a timer for this video. I'm generally less picky when making a latte as opposed to a straight espresso
hey, what brand is your tamper from?
That one is from Barista Hustle
Here are two others I also recommend
ruclips.net/video/Ju5oKyaEihM/видео.html
Excellent video.
This one or the Gaggia Classic Pro?
Gaggia Classic Pro vs Rancilio Silvia
ruclips.net/video/xyx-FQiLRvk/видео.html
Please make a Gaggia Classic comparison video!
You know it's on the way! ;)
I love my heat exchanger hot hot hot
To anyone considering buying this thing - I have had it for a while and here are a few remarks:
- Don't use the steam wand, rather buy a simple milk foaming device on a side if you need to do milk drinks. The heating and cooling down part is annoying in the long run. If milk foam is really needed rather consider a dual boiler machine.
- As it is widely used there are a lot of service shops and also there is a tunning available for it. Like the PID or different/aftermarket parts.
- The water matters, don't use hard water. It will damage the boiler and you are looking for 150€ repair. You can buy a cartridge for it or use water in bottles.
- I was experiencing issues if I closed the valve for the hot water before turning the hot water off with the switch. First turn switch it off and then close it using the wheel.
- You need a good grinder, this only pushes water, if you put sh*t in you will get it on the other end out. Having a good grinder is more important.
- It is impractical in multiple ways. The drip tray, you don't know your water level, it is not heating the cups sufficiently, etc. But it is a good starting machine.
- Would I buy it again if this one breaks? No, I'd rather buy something better, but this was good starting point.
Rancilio Silvia vs Profitec go
I am not sure whether I will replace my 12-year-old Silvia with another. I would hate the European automatic switch off. I would always be concerned about rust developing. I would really like a factory-installed PID. On balance, I think that my mind now moves away from Silvia.
The new Silvia V6 and the Pro now both have a stainless steel frame, so there aren’t any rust issues.
@@Jaroslav. Thank you. UK companies indicate that the V6 has an iron frame but in Australia, a stainless steel frame is promoted. Does the V6 always have a stainless steel frame?
Many companies simply copy paste (often inaccurate) descriptions from older models. I’ve confirmed this with Rancilio, all 2020 (V6) models have a stainless steel frame.
@@Jaroslav. Thank you. That is very helpful and makes a Silvia replacement a far better proposition.
Most cup warmers are useless
Some, but I wouldn't go as far as to say most! I swear the top of the Appartamento could bake pottery if left long enough, haha
It looks like all the other models
I’ll never go back to single boiler. Never
why
Before there was hands … and then those hands came up with a face.
Leave your espresso for 1.5 minute is OK!!!
As for the Silvia always the same old story.
Just.a hype.
Build like a tank and so on, and so on...............
But ...............................
The Silvia has no temperature stability.
Temperature surfing is needed.
Driptray is a let down.
All in all the Silvia is in badly need of some upgrades to fix these issues.
For decades nothing has been changed except for some minor updates.